1 00:00:01,917 --> 00:00:04,208 (ominous music) 2 00:00:05,167 --> 00:00:07,333 (siren wailing) 3 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:44,583 (tense music) 4 00:00:46,208 --> 00:00:48,250 - [Narrator] Every suspect accused of a crime 5 00:00:48,333 --> 00:00:50,167 has the right to remain silent. 6 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:53,125 Many agree to be interrogated anyway, 7 00:00:53,208 --> 00:00:56,125 but they can stop the interview at any moment, 8 00:00:56,208 --> 00:00:58,000 making it a race against time. 9 00:00:58,083 --> 00:01:00,042 (suspenseful music) 10 00:01:00,125 --> 00:01:02,333 Justice hangs in the balance. 11 00:01:04,542 --> 00:01:06,542 (eerie music) 12 00:01:13,542 --> 00:01:14,792 - Eaton County Sheriff's Department 13 00:01:14,875 --> 00:01:17,167 received a phone call from Kristina 14 00:01:17,208 --> 00:01:20,375 who stated she was in fear for her life. 15 00:01:20,458 --> 00:01:22,708 A man was texting from outside of her apartment. 16 00:01:23,792 --> 00:01:26,167 (text tone dinging) 17 00:01:28,542 --> 00:01:31,917 - She told us she had been in a relationship 18 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,333 with him and she was scared 19 00:01:33,417 --> 00:01:37,208 that he was going to find her and do God knows what. 20 00:01:37,292 --> 00:01:40,792 - She said just days prior to this incident 21 00:01:40,875 --> 00:01:42,250 the suspect abused her 22 00:01:42,333 --> 00:01:44,667 to where a personal protection order was granted. 23 00:01:44,750 --> 00:01:48,167 - She relayed information about being choked, 24 00:01:48,333 --> 00:01:49,375 being thrown to the ground. 25 00:01:49,458 --> 00:01:51,167 He had made statements to her 26 00:01:51,208 --> 00:01:54,625 that he would slit her throat while she was sleeping, 27 00:01:54,625 --> 00:01:57,125 in addition to her young son's throat. 28 00:01:57,208 --> 00:01:59,458 (tense music) 29 00:02:02,208 --> 00:02:04,708 Kiernan was an active parolee. 30 00:02:04,792 --> 00:02:05,875 He had been to prison 31 00:02:05,958 --> 00:02:08,375 for an assault involving strangulation. 32 00:02:08,375 --> 00:02:12,708 He was known to be violent toward women. 33 00:02:14,875 --> 00:02:18,292 - Now, Kiernan stopped by her apartment and was outside. 34 00:02:18,375 --> 00:02:20,750 Our patrol deputies get called in to the scene 35 00:02:20,875 --> 00:02:23,875 to get her out of the house and make sure that she is safe. 36 00:02:23,875 --> 00:02:26,750 (sirens wailing) 37 00:02:30,833 --> 00:02:33,625 - First and foremost, we make sure that she was safe. 38 00:02:34,667 --> 00:02:36,750 At that point, I instructed all of my deputies 39 00:02:36,833 --> 00:02:41,167 to go to that area in an attempt to locate Kiernan. 40 00:02:41,208 --> 00:02:43,250 We were very concerned and alarmed 41 00:02:43,333 --> 00:02:45,667 that he may be violent again. 42 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:48,375 (sires wailing) 43 00:02:57,625 --> 00:03:00,000 (text tone dinging) 44 00:03:00,042 --> 00:03:01,625 When he sent the message stating, 45 00:03:01,708 --> 00:03:03,833 "I see you brought friends to the party," 46 00:03:03,917 --> 00:03:07,708 it brought a level of, is he gonna harm us as well? 47 00:03:07,833 --> 00:03:09,083 Where is he? 48 00:03:09,167 --> 00:03:10,708 Is he gonna shoot us without us knowing? 49 00:03:10,792 --> 00:03:12,333 Is he gonna ambush us? 50 00:03:12,375 --> 00:03:14,917 We absolutely believe that he was a danger 51 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,250 and most likely 52 00:03:16,375 --> 00:03:18,292 was in possession of some sort of weapon. 53 00:03:18,375 --> 00:03:22,458 We were actively and methodically trying to find him 54 00:03:22,542 --> 00:03:24,292 to the the best of our ability. 55 00:03:28,042 --> 00:03:30,208 (sirens wailing) 56 00:03:30,292 --> 00:03:33,500 - [Dispatch] He's just north of Curwood. 57 00:03:35,417 --> 00:03:37,375 He's gonna pull over. All units (indistinct). 58 00:04:02,458 --> 00:04:03,667 - They got him out of the car, 59 00:04:03,750 --> 00:04:06,250 took him into custody on the side of the road. 60 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:09,292 He was very cavalier. Not a care in the world. 61 00:04:27,125 --> 00:04:29,292 (tense music) 62 00:04:31,542 --> 00:04:33,542 I took that as, okay, he wants to show me 63 00:04:33,625 --> 00:04:35,333 the messages that his girlfriend sent 64 00:04:35,458 --> 00:04:38,708 and how mean she is, or she's the one contacting me, 65 00:04:38,833 --> 00:04:39,917 I'm just innocent here. 66 00:05:17,458 --> 00:05:19,375 - As soon as I pulled up the photos, 67 00:05:19,458 --> 00:05:23,667 I could start seeing the horrific images of two females. 68 00:05:23,750 --> 00:05:25,833 (dramatic music) 69 00:05:27,542 --> 00:05:29,500 And it appeared that they were murdered. 70 00:05:29,583 --> 00:05:32,208 It was heinous, gruesome. 71 00:05:32,333 --> 00:05:35,625 There's wounds and blunt force trauma. 72 00:05:36,708 --> 00:05:38,500 It was very difficult to kind of wrap our mind 73 00:05:38,583 --> 00:05:40,083 around what we were seeing. 74 00:05:40,167 --> 00:05:41,375 Is this real? 75 00:05:41,542 --> 00:05:43,208 Is this something he just got off the internet 76 00:05:43,292 --> 00:05:44,833 and he's playing a trick on us? 77 00:05:46,958 --> 00:05:49,083 - No police agency had even gotten a call 78 00:05:49,167 --> 00:05:51,417 that there was a potential homicide or crime scene. 79 00:05:51,542 --> 00:05:53,542 We didn't have any information yet. 80 00:06:05,125 --> 00:06:06,167 My approach was casual. 81 00:06:06,292 --> 00:06:07,500 I wanted to do my best 82 00:06:07,542 --> 00:06:11,583 to keep it easygoing conversation between us, 83 00:06:11,667 --> 00:06:14,917 even though we were talking about something so horrific. 84 00:07:11,708 --> 00:07:13,792 (officers speaking indistinctly) 85 00:07:28,417 --> 00:07:30,500 As I spoke with Kiernan, he's telling me 86 00:07:30,583 --> 00:07:34,542 in that same demeanor, where this is just 87 00:07:34,625 --> 00:07:36,375 a regular day for him, 88 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:39,417 there is no physiological reaction from him 89 00:07:39,542 --> 00:07:42,542 that he was under stress, that his heart was racing, 90 00:07:42,625 --> 00:07:45,458 that he was afraid, that he was questioning 91 00:07:45,542 --> 00:07:47,000 what was gonna happen to him. 92 00:07:47,125 --> 00:07:50,000 He was just very direct. 93 00:07:50,042 --> 00:07:53,000 I have never encountered anything like this. 94 00:07:53,125 --> 00:07:55,042 (suspenseful music) 95 00:07:56,417 --> 00:07:59,000 (engine rumbling) 96 00:07:59,042 --> 00:08:01,792 (sirens wailing) 97 00:08:15,542 --> 00:08:17,458 - When deputies arrived at the scene, it was dark. 98 00:08:17,542 --> 00:08:19,375 It was very early in the morning 99 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:20,917 and they approached it with caution. 100 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,625 It could potentially be a very dangerous situation 101 00:08:23,708 --> 00:08:25,542 for them to walk into. 102 00:08:25,625 --> 00:08:27,833 Deputies had their guns drawn. 103 00:08:27,958 --> 00:08:30,833 We didn't know if there was still a suspect outstanding 104 00:08:30,917 --> 00:08:32,875 or what they were gonna encounter. 105 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,083 Deputies made entry 106 00:08:35,125 --> 00:08:37,625 and they located Julie Mooney deceased in that hotel room. 107 00:08:37,708 --> 00:08:40,667 (camera clicking) 108 00:08:40,750 --> 00:08:43,667 - Julie Mooney was left in a bathtub. 109 00:08:45,708 --> 00:08:49,500 She had cutting wounds and blunt force trauma. 110 00:08:50,833 --> 00:08:52,833 - It was a very horrific crime scene. 111 00:08:52,917 --> 00:08:57,458 Senior investigators were affected by what they saw. 112 00:08:57,542 --> 00:09:00,625 They had simply never seen anything like that. 113 00:09:00,708 --> 00:09:02,208 (birds chirping) 114 00:09:02,333 --> 00:09:04,750 (soft music) 115 00:09:06,042 --> 00:09:09,500 - Julie was a caring and giving person. 116 00:09:09,542 --> 00:09:10,833 She gave a lot. 117 00:09:10,917 --> 00:09:14,042 She gave her heart and she loved her daughters. 118 00:09:15,167 --> 00:09:17,833 And she really wanted to become a social worker. 119 00:09:17,917 --> 00:09:20,333 She had these aspirations of a person 120 00:09:20,417 --> 00:09:22,083 who was working to help people. 121 00:09:23,125 --> 00:09:27,458 Julie participated in three or four mission trips. 122 00:09:27,542 --> 00:09:31,208 She rebuilt some poverty stricken homes. 123 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:35,167 Julie was very musical. 124 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:38,125 She and her friend, they started the Flag Corps 125 00:09:38,208 --> 00:09:39,750 for the marching band. 126 00:09:39,833 --> 00:09:42,500 They did all of the choreographing to the music 127 00:09:42,500 --> 00:09:44,542 with the band director and all of that. 128 00:09:45,708 --> 00:09:49,667 I really miss her. She was a good daughter. 129 00:09:51,792 --> 00:09:53,292 My home is lonely. 130 00:09:55,333 --> 00:09:58,208 (dramatic music) (sirens wailing) 131 00:10:05,583 --> 00:10:07,083 - We responded to the address, 132 00:10:07,167 --> 00:10:09,417 and once we made our announcements 133 00:10:09,542 --> 00:10:10,875 and didn't hear anything inside, 134 00:10:10,958 --> 00:10:13,792 we went ahead and opened the door, which was unlocked. 135 00:10:16,792 --> 00:10:18,625 We enter, we make more announcements. 136 00:10:18,625 --> 00:10:20,208 We still didn't get any response inside. 137 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,250 - [Shattuck] They cleared the first floor. 138 00:10:26,667 --> 00:10:27,958 and then went upstairs. 139 00:10:29,958 --> 00:10:33,375 - And then turning to my left appeared to be a bedroom door, 140 00:10:33,458 --> 00:10:36,667 and that's when I went ahead and opened that bedroom door. 141 00:10:38,875 --> 00:10:40,708 As soon as I opened that door, 142 00:10:40,833 --> 00:10:42,000 you could see a female subject 143 00:10:42,083 --> 00:10:44,083 that was laying face down in the bed. 144 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:49,000 Her head and the pillow was soaked in blood. 145 00:10:49,083 --> 00:10:52,333 She suffered a pretty serious head injury 146 00:10:52,417 --> 00:10:53,875 from what we could observe, 147 00:10:53,958 --> 00:10:58,167 as well as she had multiple lacerations all over her body. 148 00:10:58,250 --> 00:11:01,625 It was very evident that this was in fact a homicide. 149 00:11:01,708 --> 00:11:04,125 We had approximate weight, eye, hair color, 150 00:11:04,208 --> 00:11:05,667 things like that. 151 00:11:05,750 --> 00:11:07,833 We were able to look up in our programs, 152 00:11:07,917 --> 00:11:09,000 everything was matching up 153 00:11:09,083 --> 00:11:10,875 that this was in fact Kaylee Brock. 154 00:11:15,375 --> 00:11:20,208 - When I found out that Kaylee was murdered, I was in shock. 155 00:11:20,292 --> 00:11:23,917 I had so much shock that somebody would do this 156 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,250 to such a sweet and innocent soul. 157 00:11:26,333 --> 00:11:27,583 I was sad. 158 00:11:27,667 --> 00:11:29,625 I was angry. 159 00:11:29,708 --> 00:11:32,375 It was really hard to believe and grasp. 160 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:35,042 Kaylee was very much a people person. 161 00:11:35,125 --> 00:11:39,250 Her smile just lit up the room and everybody loved her. 162 00:11:40,250 --> 00:11:43,292 Kaylee loved cooking and she loved watching 163 00:11:43,375 --> 00:11:47,083 the Rachael Ray shows and she loved reading 164 00:11:47,167 --> 00:11:49,833 and going to craft shows with her family. 165 00:11:49,917 --> 00:11:51,792 She still had so much life left. 166 00:11:53,542 --> 00:11:56,333 (suspenseful music) 167 00:12:18,375 --> 00:12:21,625 - Because he confessed on the side of the road, 168 00:12:21,625 --> 00:12:24,583 doesn't implicate him in everything. 169 00:12:24,667 --> 00:12:26,000 There's still a lot of details 170 00:12:26,083 --> 00:12:27,958 needed from the investigative side 171 00:12:28,083 --> 00:12:31,917 to lock him into a statement to prove that it was him. 172 00:12:32,042 --> 00:12:34,458 - We didn't know, was he in collusion with somebody else? 173 00:12:34,542 --> 00:12:36,292 Was there more than two victims? 174 00:12:36,375 --> 00:12:40,667 And you gotta be on your A-game to get out of them 175 00:12:40,750 --> 00:12:42,542 what you need them to say. 176 00:12:42,625 --> 00:12:44,042 Right now, the most critical part 177 00:12:44,125 --> 00:12:46,250 of this investigation is to get him talking. 178 00:13:26,917 --> 00:13:29,167 (suspenseful music) 179 00:13:29,292 --> 00:13:33,000 - When you see a forensics van outside, 180 00:13:33,083 --> 00:13:36,333 you know that, you know, something, you know, 181 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:37,667 drastic has happened. 182 00:13:37,792 --> 00:13:39,000 - [Reporter] Sheriff's officials say 183 00:13:39,083 --> 00:13:41,292 deputies found the two women killed, 184 00:13:41,375 --> 00:13:44,292 one in Holt and the other in Meridian Township. 185 00:13:44,375 --> 00:13:47,167 A man from Eaton County was arrested early this morning 186 00:13:47,250 --> 00:13:49,833 after an old girlfriend called police. 187 00:13:49,958 --> 00:13:51,875 During the arrest, he told deputies 188 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,708 he had pictures to show them of the two women he killed. 189 00:13:55,875 --> 00:13:58,375 (soft music) 190 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:00,167 - I was running errands. 191 00:14:01,542 --> 00:14:05,208 When I got home, there were police cars in my driveway 192 00:14:05,292 --> 00:14:07,250 and my husband was on the front porch 193 00:14:07,375 --> 00:14:09,458 with one of the officers at that time. 194 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:14,792 And I was told that Julie had been murdered. 195 00:14:14,875 --> 00:14:17,083 (tense music) 196 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,500 (Denise sighing) 197 00:14:21,292 --> 00:14:23,708 I was running a horror story through my head 198 00:14:23,792 --> 00:14:26,833 and I couldn't believe the horror story I had in my head 199 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:31,333 could have been any worse than what actually happened. 200 00:14:33,333 --> 00:14:35,375 (tense music) 201 00:14:42,333 --> 00:14:43,333 - All right. 202 00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:46,250 You have the right to remain silent. 203 00:14:46,333 --> 00:14:47,500 You do not have to talk to anyone, 204 00:14:47,583 --> 00:14:49,125 you don't have to answer any of my questions. 205 00:14:49,125 --> 00:14:50,625 You understand that, buddy? 206 00:15:03,542 --> 00:15:05,917 - [Cramer] During the traffic stop, he was pretty open 207 00:15:06,042 --> 00:15:08,083 that he had just murdered a couple of people. 208 00:15:14,333 --> 00:15:17,042 - That little bit of time that he sat in a jail cell 209 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:20,500 leading up to it, changed the demeanor drastically. 210 00:15:20,583 --> 00:15:22,167 - We thought he changed his mind 211 00:15:22,250 --> 00:15:25,417 or he just decided he was gonna play a game with us 212 00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:26,958 and stop talking. 213 00:15:27,042 --> 00:15:29,250 - Now he refused to make eye contact. 214 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:33,917 He was in a very defensive, kind of shelled position, 215 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,458 so I was trying to keep my line of questioning soft, 216 00:15:37,542 --> 00:15:40,292 my tone calm and quiet. 217 00:15:40,375 --> 00:15:43,833 I wanted to mimic his tone to keep building a rapport 218 00:15:43,875 --> 00:15:48,000 and switch the topic to get him to open up. 219 00:17:07,875 --> 00:17:09,250 - This is the first time that he 220 00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:10,542 really started talking on his own. 221 00:17:10,625 --> 00:17:13,292 He opened up rather than one word answers. 222 00:17:13,375 --> 00:17:15,958 I knew that if I can keep him comfortable, 223 00:17:16,042 --> 00:17:18,167 he's gonna continue to talk with me. 224 00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:21,042 The next direction to go was we needed to figure out 225 00:17:21,125 --> 00:17:24,250 how Kaylee and Julie ended up victims. 226 00:17:26,667 --> 00:17:28,542 (clock ticking) 227 00:18:47,542 --> 00:18:49,500 (tense music) 228 00:18:49,583 --> 00:18:51,417 - He was very difficult to deal with 229 00:18:51,542 --> 00:18:54,792 and it seemed like he was playing games with us. 230 00:18:54,875 --> 00:18:58,750 I had to get every potential detail out of him 231 00:18:58,833 --> 00:19:00,833 before he shut down. 232 00:19:00,875 --> 00:19:04,208 It was pretty direct pointed questions from then on. 233 00:19:24,042 --> 00:19:26,667 (suspenseful music) (birds chirping) 234 00:19:31,625 --> 00:19:33,375 (clock ticking) 235 00:19:57,042 --> 00:19:59,417 (dramatic music) 236 00:20:44,583 --> 00:20:47,708 - That was a very difficult confession for us to get. 237 00:20:47,833 --> 00:20:51,625 Once I got him to admit to killing Kaylee, 238 00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:53,958 it was a matter of delicately withdrawing 239 00:20:54,042 --> 00:20:56,375 the facts about Julie. 240 00:20:56,458 --> 00:20:59,000 You don't wanna trigger any remorse, regret, 241 00:20:59,042 --> 00:21:02,208 anything in him to think that he shouldn't be talking. 242 00:22:24,708 --> 00:22:26,833 (tense music) 243 00:22:51,583 --> 00:22:53,333 - It's very shocking as an investigator 244 00:22:53,417 --> 00:22:57,333 to have somebody willing to answer 245 00:22:57,417 --> 00:23:00,333 pointed questions with zero remorse. 246 00:23:00,417 --> 00:23:02,583 I was looking in the eyes of just pure evil, 247 00:23:02,667 --> 00:23:04,583 but if at any point in this 248 00:23:04,708 --> 00:23:08,125 we would've shown our disgust or anger, 249 00:23:09,375 --> 00:23:11,167 you don't know how that would've affected him. 250 00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:14,375 And so us remaining calm and emotionless 251 00:23:14,458 --> 00:23:17,500 was key to allow him to keep talking. 252 00:23:25,292 --> 00:23:27,583 (ominous music) 253 00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:22,708 - We had a solid confession. 254 00:24:22,833 --> 00:24:25,333 Next, was very important for us to show 255 00:24:25,375 --> 00:24:27,667 he was perfectly competent while planning it 256 00:24:27,792 --> 00:24:30,167 and perfectly competent while executing it. 257 00:24:30,250 --> 00:24:33,042 - Suspects could be crafty and they'll come back and say, 258 00:24:33,125 --> 00:24:34,542 "Well, I was crazy that night," 259 00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:36,583 or "I didn't know what I was doing." 260 00:24:36,667 --> 00:24:38,500 Kiernan could be planting the seed 261 00:24:38,625 --> 00:24:41,667 about being insane at the time. 262 00:24:41,708 --> 00:24:44,333 - I needed to shut down a future insanity defense. 263 00:24:44,375 --> 00:24:45,958 So the more intimate details 264 00:24:46,042 --> 00:24:49,958 that I could get him to give me was all to show 265 00:24:50,042 --> 00:24:53,583 he very clearly intended to do this strategically 266 00:24:53,667 --> 00:24:55,792 with a purpose and not get caught. 267 00:24:55,875 --> 00:24:57,875 (dramatic music) 268 00:25:03,125 --> 00:25:05,125 (tense music) 269 00:26:04,875 --> 00:26:06,792 - This was a difficult interview. 270 00:26:06,875 --> 00:26:09,500 You know what he's done and you know what he's capable of, 271 00:26:09,583 --> 00:26:10,833 and it was kind of like pulling teeth 272 00:26:10,875 --> 00:26:12,833 to get anything out of him. 273 00:26:12,917 --> 00:26:15,458 - Sometimes there's a cat mouse game, right? 274 00:26:15,542 --> 00:26:16,833 I'm not just gonna come out and say it, 275 00:26:16,958 --> 00:26:18,417 you're gonna have to get it outta me. 276 00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:19,667 But the more you can keep him talking 277 00:26:19,792 --> 00:26:21,708 about what he did that night, 278 00:26:21,792 --> 00:26:23,625 then we're winning in that interview. 279 00:28:06,875 --> 00:28:10,833 - It just showed that he calculated the steps, the risks, 280 00:28:10,917 --> 00:28:12,917 and it was just one more cognitive step 281 00:28:13,042 --> 00:28:16,750 that he made to cover up process 282 00:28:16,875 --> 00:28:18,917 and continue this killing spree. 283 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,542 We shut down that avenue of, 284 00:28:21,625 --> 00:28:23,500 "I blacked out. I don't know what happened." 285 00:28:23,542 --> 00:28:25,875 He didn't lose all cognitive abilities 286 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,083 and he knew leading up to this what he was going to do. 287 00:28:30,625 --> 00:28:33,333 (birds chirping) (tense music) 288 00:28:38,125 --> 00:28:39,958 We located the backpack in his car 289 00:28:40,042 --> 00:28:42,000 that contains our murder weapons, 290 00:28:42,042 --> 00:28:45,792 both the hammer and a folding knife that was used. 291 00:28:46,875 --> 00:28:49,458 All of the weapons had been cleaned 292 00:28:49,542 --> 00:28:51,542 but still had DNA on them. 293 00:28:51,625 --> 00:28:53,875 (suspenseful music) 294 00:28:53,958 --> 00:28:56,208 We also received surveillance video from the hotel. 295 00:28:58,083 --> 00:29:00,292 - The video at the Knights Inn 296 00:29:00,375 --> 00:29:03,708 showing both him and Julie is extremely significant, 297 00:29:03,792 --> 00:29:06,917 puts him with Julie at the time of the murder. 298 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,375 It also takes away any chance that anyone else was involved. 299 00:29:13,083 --> 00:29:16,250 We also had a video of Kiernan buying the murder weapons 300 00:29:16,333 --> 00:29:18,333 at one of the local grocery stores. 301 00:29:18,458 --> 00:29:20,583 The biggest thing is, is just showing the intent, 302 00:29:20,708 --> 00:29:22,000 showing the planning. 303 00:29:23,042 --> 00:29:24,583 There was no other reason to buy those things 304 00:29:24,708 --> 00:29:26,167 at that time in his life 305 00:29:26,208 --> 00:29:29,750 so it was clearly that he was preparing to commit murder. 306 00:29:29,833 --> 00:29:32,000 (tense music) 307 00:29:49,042 --> 00:29:52,417 - He seemed to kind of perk up when he heard the videos play. 308 00:29:53,875 --> 00:29:56,167 His body language and posture and everything changed, 309 00:29:56,208 --> 00:30:00,375 almost where he was proud of his work and what he had done. 310 00:30:00,458 --> 00:30:02,958 He was demonic like a sociopath, 311 00:30:03,042 --> 00:30:05,167 making me question, are there more victims? 312 00:30:11,917 --> 00:30:14,167 (suspenseful music) 313 00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:14,292 - The disturbing part about it is 314 00:31:14,375 --> 00:31:16,708 this is when he's becoming the most open, 315 00:31:16,792 --> 00:31:18,083 this is when he's elaborating more, 316 00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:19,375 this is when he's comfortable talking 317 00:31:19,458 --> 00:31:22,583 is getting into these dirty secrets 318 00:31:22,667 --> 00:31:23,958 that he's had his whole life. 319 00:32:09,833 --> 00:32:12,042 (tense music) 320 00:32:58,125 --> 00:33:01,042 - You know that he wants to talk about what he did. 321 00:33:01,125 --> 00:33:04,292 If it's been on a psychopath's mind for so long, 322 00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:05,833 you're gonna want to play on that 323 00:33:05,875 --> 00:33:07,458 and you're gonna wanna delve into it. 324 00:33:55,708 --> 00:33:58,500 - When Kiernan started talking about the other people 325 00:33:58,542 --> 00:34:00,708 he was intending to target that night, 326 00:34:00,833 --> 00:34:03,500 that was bone chilling. 327 00:34:03,542 --> 00:34:06,917 It was important to identify who those individuals were 328 00:34:07,042 --> 00:34:09,000 and physically make contact 329 00:34:09,083 --> 00:34:11,417 to make sure that they were alive. 330 00:34:35,333 --> 00:34:37,333 - I opened Kiernan Brown's phone 331 00:34:37,375 --> 00:34:39,500 and I pulled up his Facebook 332 00:34:39,583 --> 00:34:43,208 and located the friends by the names that he'd given me 333 00:34:43,292 --> 00:34:46,167 and began sifting through the text messages 334 00:34:46,208 --> 00:34:48,167 with his contended victims. 335 00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:50,208 - One of 'em, he had sent a text message to 336 00:34:50,292 --> 00:34:52,333 and asked if he could come over and sleep on her couch. 337 00:34:52,375 --> 00:34:54,167 The other one, he sent text messages to 338 00:34:54,208 --> 00:34:56,125 was a classmate of his. 339 00:34:56,208 --> 00:34:59,125 (suspenseful music) (text tone dinging) 340 00:34:59,208 --> 00:35:02,792 - She was a single mother who borrowed a book from him 341 00:35:02,875 --> 00:35:07,583 and Kiernan in his ploy stated that he needed the book back. 342 00:35:07,667 --> 00:35:10,000 I sent those profiles out to the team, 343 00:35:10,083 --> 00:35:12,667 outside to find those individuals. 344 00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:14,958 - As we got the information, 345 00:35:14,958 --> 00:35:16,500 we call it run code, lights and siren. 346 00:35:16,583 --> 00:35:19,042 We had as fast as we could determine 347 00:35:19,167 --> 00:35:20,292 where these young ladies lived 348 00:35:20,375 --> 00:35:21,833 to get there as quick as we could. 349 00:35:21,917 --> 00:35:23,333 This was potentially two young ladies 350 00:35:23,417 --> 00:35:26,458 that had been harmed or even murdered by this guy. 351 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,500 (tense music) 352 00:35:34,583 --> 00:35:37,000 - We have the three teams out trying to find 353 00:35:37,042 --> 00:35:40,125 and identify these two other intended victims. 354 00:35:40,208 --> 00:35:43,000 My goal was to continue digging through the details 355 00:35:43,042 --> 00:35:44,625 that I needed for the case. 356 00:36:27,833 --> 00:36:29,833 (tense music) 357 00:37:14,958 --> 00:37:16,958 (tense music) 358 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,333 - When he asked me if I thought he was a serial killer, 359 00:37:51,458 --> 00:37:52,667 he was looking for that, 360 00:37:52,708 --> 00:37:55,875 he wanted that reputation, that title. 361 00:37:55,958 --> 00:38:00,000 And it was important for me not to give him that credit 362 00:38:00,042 --> 00:38:03,792 and not make him as glorified as he thought he was. 363 00:38:18,333 --> 00:38:21,250 - At that point, we ended the interrogation. 364 00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:22,708 We had everything we needed 365 00:38:22,792 --> 00:38:27,208 and personally we couldn't tolerate the vile nature 366 00:38:27,292 --> 00:38:28,917 of the things he was saying any longer. 367 00:38:34,208 --> 00:38:36,333 - Okay. - Yeah, thank you. 368 00:38:36,417 --> 00:38:37,625 - Mm-hmm. 369 00:38:39,208 --> 00:38:42,542 When we walked out of the interview, 370 00:38:42,625 --> 00:38:46,708 we were certain that we had a solid confession. 371 00:38:46,792 --> 00:38:49,417 He was perfectly competent while planning it, 372 00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:51,458 perfectly competent while executing it, 373 00:38:51,542 --> 00:38:54,292 and perfectly competent while providing us details. 374 00:38:55,708 --> 00:38:58,042 (tense music) 375 00:39:07,083 --> 00:39:09,375 - The other potential victims that were named by Kiernan 376 00:39:09,458 --> 00:39:12,542 were ultimately located and found to be safe. 377 00:39:12,667 --> 00:39:14,333 One of 'em, he had sent a text message to 378 00:39:14,375 --> 00:39:16,500 and asked if he had come over and sleep on her couch. 379 00:39:16,583 --> 00:39:18,000 She just flat out said no. 380 00:39:19,208 --> 00:39:21,625 - The other one he sent text messages to 381 00:39:21,708 --> 00:39:24,167 told me she was asleep and didn't see them. 382 00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:26,083 And had she not fallen asleep, 383 00:39:26,167 --> 00:39:29,208 would have left to get him that book 384 00:39:29,292 --> 00:39:31,333 because she felt bad that she still had it. 385 00:39:31,375 --> 00:39:33,333 He was lining them up for the night 386 00:39:33,375 --> 00:39:36,792 and luckily the two victims 387 00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:39,333 didn't respond the way he wanted. 388 00:39:42,708 --> 00:39:45,167 - We can't say enough about the incredible police work 389 00:39:45,208 --> 00:39:46,958 done by the Eaton County Sheriff's Office. 390 00:39:47,042 --> 00:39:49,667 I don't think there's any doubt that the suspect 391 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:52,333 was on a killing spree and his quick capture 392 00:39:52,458 --> 00:39:54,125 probably saved many lives. 393 00:39:55,375 --> 00:39:57,750 (birds cawing) 394 00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:03,208 (dates ticking) 395 00:40:03,333 --> 00:40:05,875 (tense music) 396 00:40:14,542 --> 00:40:17,542 - While in jail, Kiernan Brown altered his appearance 397 00:40:17,625 --> 00:40:19,792 by tattooing his entire face. 398 00:40:20,792 --> 00:40:22,667 - It's almost like he's trying to really 399 00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:26,958 show the world what he's like on the inside. 400 00:40:27,042 --> 00:40:29,042 He really looks like the monster that he is. 401 00:40:30,542 --> 00:40:32,792 (tense music) 402 00:40:34,708 --> 00:40:37,167 - You killed because you are evil. 403 00:40:38,667 --> 00:40:41,667 You came from behind because you are a coward. 404 00:40:42,833 --> 00:40:45,458 If you weren't, you would've killed yourself 405 00:40:45,542 --> 00:40:48,625 just like you told Julie you were thinking about. 406 00:40:49,917 --> 00:40:54,542 You leave our family and friends with undescribable grief. 407 00:40:55,583 --> 00:40:58,417 - You took two individuals 408 00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:03,708 who all they wanted to do was provide help to you. 409 00:41:03,792 --> 00:41:08,542 You embody hate and selfishness and cruelty. 410 00:41:12,125 --> 00:41:13,792 - Ultimately, Kiernan Brown pled guilty 411 00:41:13,875 --> 00:41:16,792 and received a 70 to 100 year sentence, 412 00:41:16,875 --> 00:41:19,500 which puts him at 100 years old 413 00:41:19,625 --> 00:41:22,125 at his first available chance of parole. 414 00:41:22,208 --> 00:41:25,000 - The interrogation in this case was really difficult. 415 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,375 There's no one size fits all when it comes to interviews. 416 00:41:28,458 --> 00:41:30,667 You need to be really good at reading people, 417 00:41:30,708 --> 00:41:33,167 reading both verbal and nonverbal body skills 418 00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:34,750 to get to the truth. 419 00:41:34,833 --> 00:41:37,917 Detective Cramer did a really good job with Kiernan Brown 420 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,792 and getting out of him exactly what he had done. 421 00:41:40,875 --> 00:41:43,208 (solemn music) 422 00:41:44,708 --> 00:41:48,292 - This is the most gruesome 423 00:41:48,375 --> 00:41:51,500 and emotionally difficult cases 424 00:41:51,625 --> 00:41:53,833 that I've gone through in my career. 425 00:41:53,875 --> 00:41:58,167 Being able to eliminate people like Kiernan Brown 426 00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:59,500 just solidify and motivate me 427 00:41:59,625 --> 00:42:01,458 to keep doing what we do every day. 428 00:42:04,875 --> 00:42:09,042 - The world is missing a very special person. 429 00:42:09,125 --> 00:42:12,000 It is very hard to believe and grasp. 430 00:42:12,083 --> 00:42:15,750 Kaylee had a motto, let the light lift you up. 431 00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:18,250 And she did live by that. 432 00:42:18,333 --> 00:42:19,667 We would have bad days 433 00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:23,125 and Kaylee definitely helped lift us up. 434 00:42:24,417 --> 00:42:27,500 - I had a sensation come over me 435 00:42:27,583 --> 00:42:30,083 a couple of days after she passed. 436 00:42:30,167 --> 00:42:32,625 (soft music) 437 00:42:34,125 --> 00:42:35,625 I was in the kitchen 438 00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:40,042 and I felt her arms around me 439 00:42:41,333 --> 00:42:43,917 and it was just like some other time 440 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,708 when she'd had her arms around me. 441 00:42:45,792 --> 00:42:47,167 It just felt that way. 442 00:42:48,167 --> 00:42:50,833 A couple of friends had dreams of Julie 443 00:42:50,917 --> 00:42:52,875 and Julie says she's fine. 444 00:42:53,875 --> 00:42:56,333 I don't know how I feel about spirits, 445 00:42:56,458 --> 00:42:58,083 but I know I'll see her again.