1 00:00:01,917 --> 00:00:04,250 (ominous music) 2 00:00:07,042 --> 00:00:10,417 - He was just a fun, happy, loving person. 3 00:00:12,917 --> 00:00:15,083 - [Reporter] On September 10th, 2012, 4 00:00:15,167 --> 00:00:17,167 someone shot and killed Timothy Ramsey 5 00:00:17,250 --> 00:00:19,708 during a drive-by in Anderson County. 6 00:00:19,792 --> 00:00:21,917 - There was very little evidence 7 00:00:21,917 --> 00:00:23,958 at that point in time who shot him, 8 00:00:24,042 --> 00:00:25,708 why he was shot. 9 00:00:25,833 --> 00:00:27,333 That was unclear. 10 00:00:27,417 --> 00:00:30,333 - [Reporter] For seven years, the case unsolved. 11 00:00:30,375 --> 00:00:33,542 - I was not gonna rest until someone was charged. 12 00:00:35,542 --> 00:00:37,333 - [Reporter] Investigators reopened the case. 13 00:00:37,417 --> 00:00:39,458 - Time, in this case, was a friend. 14 00:00:39,542 --> 00:00:41,625 Yeah, there's gonna be some consequences. 15 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:43,708 - Anybody that can ride by somebody's house 16 00:00:43,792 --> 00:00:45,125 and just shoot it up, 17 00:00:45,208 --> 00:00:46,375 instead of going and doing something to their face 18 00:00:46,458 --> 00:00:48,458 is a coward, point blank, period. 19 00:00:50,042 --> 00:00:52,292 (ominous music) 20 00:00:53,542 --> 00:00:55,875 - [Narrator] Every suspect accused of a crime 21 00:00:55,958 --> 00:00:57,750 has the right to remain silent. 22 00:00:57,833 --> 00:01:00,500 Many agree to be interrogated anyway. 23 00:01:00,542 --> 00:01:03,417 But they can stop the interview at any moment, 24 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:05,875 making it a race against time. 25 00:01:05,875 --> 00:01:07,417 (suspenseful music) 26 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:09,750 Justice hangs in the balance. 27 00:01:13,833 --> 00:01:15,750 (birds chirping) 28 00:01:20,375 --> 00:01:22,208 - [Operator] All units respond. 29 00:01:22,292 --> 00:01:24,708 (siren wailing) (tense music) 30 00:01:35,958 --> 00:01:37,500 - When they arrived on the scene, 31 00:01:37,542 --> 00:01:39,083 (camera flashing) 32 00:01:39,167 --> 00:01:41,958 they found the victim injured inside the residence 33 00:01:42,042 --> 00:01:43,667 with a gunshot wound to his head. 34 00:01:43,750 --> 00:01:45,792 (dramatic music) 35 00:01:48,042 --> 00:01:51,125 Kellyann Jordan claimed her boyfriend was shot 36 00:01:51,208 --> 00:01:53,667 and she said, "I don't know what happened." 37 00:01:53,750 --> 00:01:57,667 - The investigators found four .45 Hi Point caliber 38 00:01:57,750 --> 00:02:00,375 shell casings in the roadway 39 00:02:00,458 --> 00:02:03,042 outside of this incident location. 40 00:02:03,167 --> 00:02:06,250 (camera flashing) 41 00:02:06,333 --> 00:02:08,250 - [Scotty] They did see where the house was struck 42 00:02:08,250 --> 00:02:10,833 by gunfire from the outside. 43 00:02:10,917 --> 00:02:12,750 (camera flashing) 44 00:02:12,875 --> 00:02:14,875 You can start piecing the puzzle together 45 00:02:14,958 --> 00:02:17,750 and a drive-by shooting would be the most likely scenario 46 00:02:17,833 --> 00:02:18,833 in that moment. 47 00:02:21,042 --> 00:02:23,583 (siren wailing) (tense music) 48 00:02:33,625 --> 00:02:35,708 (pensive music) 49 00:02:38,042 --> 00:02:40,750 - How do you sum up someone's whole life? 50 00:02:40,833 --> 00:02:42,625 Timothy was a protector. 51 00:02:42,708 --> 00:02:45,375 Like, he protected the people that he cared about. 52 00:02:45,458 --> 00:02:47,583 He never, for six years, 53 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:51,333 let me walk to my car by myself ever. 54 00:02:51,417 --> 00:02:53,958 And he would get up before me 55 00:02:54,042 --> 00:02:55,500 and go crank up my car 56 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:58,458 so it'd be nice and warm. 57 00:02:58,542 --> 00:03:02,042 And then he would walk me to my door every morning 58 00:03:02,125 --> 00:03:03,792 just so nothing would happen to me. 59 00:03:05,292 --> 00:03:06,750 - I always called him Timothy, 60 00:03:06,833 --> 00:03:10,167 but his middle name is actually Rambo. 61 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:12,500 Everyone called him that most of the time. 62 00:03:14,917 --> 00:03:18,417 Timothy was very outgoing, kind. 63 00:03:18,542 --> 00:03:21,833 He loved his family. His mom was his world. 64 00:03:24,708 --> 00:03:27,042 - He was the first person that would come 65 00:03:27,167 --> 00:03:30,375 and help you if your car broke down. 66 00:03:30,458 --> 00:03:34,042 He was the first person that would come help you 67 00:03:34,167 --> 00:03:35,958 fix it once he got you home. 68 00:03:37,333 --> 00:03:39,833 When I learned that Timothy had been shot, 69 00:03:41,083 --> 00:03:42,500 I really just couldn't believe it. 70 00:03:47,333 --> 00:03:49,250 (dates clicking) 71 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,792 (birds chirping) 72 00:03:57,792 --> 00:04:00,792 - When an event or violent crime happens, 73 00:04:00,875 --> 00:04:04,458 people start talking and it becomes a game of telephone. 74 00:04:04,542 --> 00:04:06,458 Everything that was coming to investigators 75 00:04:06,542 --> 00:04:08,500 at that time was hearsay. 76 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:11,375 No one had actually seen this crime occur. 77 00:04:11,458 --> 00:04:15,500 And the best we got was somebody who was in the area 78 00:04:15,583 --> 00:04:19,375 at the time who said that they saw a motorcycle. 79 00:04:19,458 --> 00:04:24,083 - [Scotty] They saw a black motorcycle drive down the road 80 00:04:24,083 --> 00:04:25,333 at a high rate of speed, 81 00:04:25,417 --> 00:04:28,125 firing shots into Mr. Ramsey's house. 82 00:04:28,208 --> 00:04:29,625 (gunshots) 83 00:04:29,708 --> 00:04:31,833 But they couldn't give us a suspect description 84 00:04:31,875 --> 00:04:34,833 cause the motorcyclist was wearing a helmet. 85 00:04:34,917 --> 00:04:37,833 The investigators were able to locate some video footage 86 00:04:37,875 --> 00:04:41,000 about a mile from the incident location, 87 00:04:41,083 --> 00:04:43,292 and it was a motorcycle that matched 88 00:04:43,375 --> 00:04:44,750 the neighbor's description, 89 00:04:44,833 --> 00:04:46,833 leaving the scene around the same time 90 00:04:46,917 --> 00:04:49,833 as we would expect him to get to that intersection. 91 00:04:49,875 --> 00:04:51,500 But you can't see details. 92 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:56,167 - There was very little evidence at that point in time. 93 00:04:56,292 --> 00:04:59,208 It was baffling to law enforcement 94 00:04:59,292 --> 00:05:02,208 who shot him, why he was shot. 95 00:05:02,292 --> 00:05:03,875 That was unclear. 96 00:05:06,708 --> 00:05:08,792 (tense music) 97 00:05:11,583 --> 00:05:15,250 - It was excruciating. We have no closure. 98 00:05:15,333 --> 00:05:18,625 To just feel like someone that you care about 99 00:05:18,708 --> 00:05:23,625 and loves life is just taken away and nothing done about it. 100 00:05:23,708 --> 00:05:27,292 I was not gonna rest until someone was charged. 101 00:05:32,542 --> 00:05:34,833 (suspenseful music) 102 00:05:36,458 --> 00:05:38,583 (dates clicking) 103 00:05:49,667 --> 00:05:51,750 - [Reporter] On September 10th, 2012, 104 00:05:51,875 --> 00:05:53,833 someone shot and killed Timothy Ramsey 105 00:05:53,917 --> 00:05:56,583 during a drive-by in Anderson County. 106 00:05:56,667 --> 00:05:59,500 Family and friends have spent seven years 107 00:05:59,542 --> 00:06:01,667 wondering who pulled the trigger. 108 00:06:01,750 --> 00:06:03,667 Investigators reopened the case. 109 00:06:03,708 --> 00:06:06,333 - They took this case, there was not a lot to go on. 110 00:06:06,458 --> 00:06:07,792 Shooting into a dwelling. 111 00:06:07,875 --> 00:06:10,292 Yeah, there's gonna be some consequences. 112 00:06:10,375 --> 00:06:12,667 (suspenseful music) 113 00:06:16,708 --> 00:06:19,250 - When I first reviewed the case file, 114 00:06:19,333 --> 00:06:21,750 my initial reaction was a little bit of shock 115 00:06:21,875 --> 00:06:24,208 at how little was in it. 116 00:06:24,292 --> 00:06:26,667 That's why when we realized, we probably should go back 117 00:06:26,708 --> 00:06:29,667 and re-interview every single one of the witnesses 118 00:06:29,708 --> 00:06:31,583 that were interviewed to begin with. 119 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:38,333 - We started to hear street talk 120 00:06:38,417 --> 00:06:42,333 from various folks in the county. 121 00:06:42,375 --> 00:06:43,833 Names were coming up, 122 00:06:43,875 --> 00:06:47,958 two of those names were Cody Murphy and Randy Kennedy. 123 00:06:49,583 --> 00:06:53,208 - Both of them were known meth users in the Piedmont area. 124 00:06:53,292 --> 00:06:56,208 And when I first got this case, Cody Murphy was in prison 125 00:06:56,292 --> 00:06:58,667 for distribution of methamphetamine 126 00:06:58,750 --> 00:07:01,500 and Randy Kennedy moved to Greenville County, 127 00:07:01,583 --> 00:07:04,042 which is the next county over from Anderson. 128 00:07:05,583 --> 00:07:08,833 - Investigators started to understand 129 00:07:08,875 --> 00:07:11,792 that around the time that the shooting took place, 130 00:07:11,875 --> 00:07:14,375 Cody Murphy and Randy Kennedy 131 00:07:14,458 --> 00:07:17,958 were engaged in a back and forth. 132 00:07:18,042 --> 00:07:22,083 There had been physical violence between them, 133 00:07:22,167 --> 00:07:24,750 potentially some guns discharged, 134 00:07:24,833 --> 00:07:28,667 and there had been threats made primarily 135 00:07:28,750 --> 00:07:32,333 by Randy Kennedy against Cody Murphy. 136 00:07:32,417 --> 00:07:34,583 - A lot of the witnesses we interviewed 137 00:07:34,667 --> 00:07:38,917 said Cody Murphy had been beat up by Randy Kennedy a lot. 138 00:07:40,042 --> 00:07:42,125 - But it was unclear what Timothy Ramsey 139 00:07:42,208 --> 00:07:46,792 had to do with the conflict that Randy Kennedy 140 00:07:46,875 --> 00:07:49,042 and Cody Murphy were having at the time. 141 00:07:56,042 --> 00:07:59,667 Detectives found out the day of the shooting, 142 00:07:59,708 --> 00:08:04,042 Cody Murphy had gone to pick up a mutual friend 143 00:08:04,125 --> 00:08:07,583 of Randy Kennedy's and his, the name of Ashley Thomason. 144 00:08:07,667 --> 00:08:09,958 He picked her up and took her back 145 00:08:10,042 --> 00:08:12,125 to hang out with their group of friends. 146 00:08:16,958 --> 00:08:19,000 (tense music) 147 00:10:27,750 --> 00:10:29,250 - So she really gave some insight 148 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:33,500 into the feud between Randy Kennedy and Cody Murphy. 149 00:10:33,583 --> 00:10:36,708 Randy attacked Cody that morning, beat him up, 150 00:10:36,833 --> 00:10:41,333 and then Ashley decided to leave with Randy Kennedy. 151 00:10:41,417 --> 00:10:44,833 Just got beat up in front of some people that know you. 152 00:10:44,875 --> 00:10:47,917 You know, that's gonna make you pretty angry. 153 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,167 But we didn't know what Randy Kennedy's and Cody Murphy's 154 00:10:51,292 --> 00:10:55,042 relationship or connection was to Rambo Ramsey. 155 00:10:55,208 --> 00:10:57,250 We didn't know why either one of them would want to hurt 156 00:10:57,333 --> 00:10:58,375 Rambo Ramsey. 157 00:11:05,542 --> 00:11:07,833 (pensive music) 158 00:12:15,792 --> 00:12:17,875 - So that really jumped out at us 159 00:12:17,958 --> 00:12:20,667 and that's the first time we had heard 160 00:12:20,708 --> 00:12:24,792 that Cody thought Randy was at Timothy's house, 161 00:12:24,875 --> 00:12:27,375 Rambo's house, because Ashley Thomason told him. 162 00:12:37,375 --> 00:12:40,125 - He kind of led us down that path that the morning 163 00:12:40,208 --> 00:12:42,042 of the shooting, Cody believed that 164 00:12:42,042 --> 00:12:44,125 Randy was at Rambo's house. 165 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:48,667 - And that was really key to this investigation 166 00:12:48,750 --> 00:12:53,000 because it put together why someone 167 00:12:53,042 --> 00:12:54,792 would shoot up that house. 168 00:12:54,875 --> 00:12:58,250 It gave us the reason behind the shooting. 169 00:13:04,875 --> 00:13:07,125 (tense music) 170 00:13:08,083 --> 00:13:09,917 - [Amanda] When Timothy and I met, 171 00:13:10,042 --> 00:13:13,042 both of my parents were abusing drugs. 172 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:15,458 Like, he saved me from that. 173 00:13:15,542 --> 00:13:18,500 Like, both of us together were gonna be sober. 174 00:13:18,583 --> 00:13:20,333 We're not gonna be like our parents, 175 00:13:20,458 --> 00:13:22,167 you know, we're gonna do better. 176 00:13:23,167 --> 00:13:24,875 - He actually was waiting on me to come 177 00:13:24,958 --> 00:13:26,625 and give him a ride to go job hunting 178 00:13:26,708 --> 00:13:28,000 and we were supposed to hang out that day, 179 00:13:28,042 --> 00:13:30,167 and I was a little late picking him up 180 00:13:30,250 --> 00:13:33,792 and by the time I got there, everything had happened. 181 00:14:26,792 --> 00:14:28,958 (tense music) 182 00:14:32,542 --> 00:14:35,375 - His phone placed him in a different location. 183 00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:38,667 Witnesses placed him in a different location. 184 00:14:38,750 --> 00:14:41,167 So we pretty much felt like Randy Kennedy 185 00:14:41,208 --> 00:14:44,417 was alibied at the time of the shooting. 186 00:14:44,500 --> 00:14:47,167 Now, we have to prove that Cody Murphy did it. 187 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:49,792 We can prove Randy did not do it. 188 00:14:49,875 --> 00:14:51,667 How do we prove Cody Murphy did it? 189 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:54,000 (pensive music) 190 00:15:09,042 --> 00:15:12,583 Kayla Nalley was Cody Murphy's baby mama. 191 00:15:12,583 --> 00:15:14,042 When we spoke with Kayla, 192 00:15:14,125 --> 00:15:17,125 my impression was she had moved on from Cody. 193 00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:38,500 I figured when we talked to her again, 194 00:15:38,542 --> 00:15:41,708 if we needed her to help us put Cody in prison, 195 00:15:41,792 --> 00:15:43,000 she would be willing to do that 196 00:15:43,083 --> 00:15:45,292 because she didn't care about him anymore. 197 00:15:45,375 --> 00:15:47,542 (pensive music) 198 00:15:56,208 --> 00:15:59,083 She admitted that Cody Murphy was the only person 199 00:15:59,167 --> 00:16:00,875 who knew where she hid her gun, 200 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 and that Cody Murphy was at her house the morning 201 00:16:03,042 --> 00:16:05,500 of the shooting and that after he left, 202 00:16:05,625 --> 00:16:07,667 she noticed her gun was missing. 203 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:10,125 She said she had a Hi Point .45, 204 00:16:10,208 --> 00:16:11,875 which is the first time someone was able to 205 00:16:11,958 --> 00:16:14,333 name the gun that was used. 206 00:16:22,833 --> 00:16:28,458 - That is a specific detail that had not been released. 207 00:16:28,542 --> 00:16:30,083 So that told us that 208 00:16:30,167 --> 00:16:31,708 the detectives were on the right track. 209 00:16:32,875 --> 00:16:35,167 - It's a step in the right direction. 210 00:16:35,250 --> 00:16:36,875 That's enough to make a charge. 211 00:16:36,958 --> 00:16:39,500 But we did need a confession for a conviction. 212 00:16:39,583 --> 00:16:42,500 For beyond a reasonable doubt, you need 99.9%, 213 00:16:42,583 --> 00:16:46,292 but we were nowhere near 99.9% at this point in time. 214 00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:49,583 - One big missing piece was this confession 215 00:16:49,708 --> 00:16:52,417 and getting that confession was going to complete 216 00:16:52,542 --> 00:16:54,958 that puzzle and solidify a conviction. 217 00:17:01,875 --> 00:17:04,125 (pensive music) 218 00:17:16,042 --> 00:17:17,292 That was intentional. 219 00:17:17,375 --> 00:17:19,125 Cody knew the date of the shooting. 220 00:17:19,208 --> 00:17:22,542 We want to play to his emotions. It was strategic. 221 00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:27,167 If we don't get this confession, then there's a possibility 222 00:17:27,250 --> 00:17:30,125 that we don't get closure for the Ramsey family. 223 00:17:34,542 --> 00:17:36,250 (dates clicking) 224 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:41,375 - I arrange for him to be brought up on September 10th. 225 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:44,083 And on September 9th, I get a phone call 226 00:17:44,167 --> 00:17:46,333 at one o'clock in the afternoon telling me that 227 00:17:46,417 --> 00:17:49,458 Cody Murphy's in the Anderson County Detention Center 228 00:17:49,542 --> 00:17:50,708 a day early. 229 00:17:54,375 --> 00:17:58,417 And I was kind of just stunned for a minute. 230 00:17:59,833 --> 00:18:01,583 It definitely blew my advantage. 231 00:18:07,958 --> 00:18:10,167 (tense music) 232 00:18:45,583 --> 00:18:48,458 - My initial plan was always to be, you know, his buddy, 233 00:18:48,542 --> 00:18:51,417 you know, we're just two bros hanging out. 234 00:18:51,417 --> 00:18:54,625 So I really fed into that a good bit with him. 235 00:19:33,375 --> 00:19:35,333 And that's how I kind of built the trust with him was, 236 00:19:35,417 --> 00:19:37,792 I'm not this cop that you always deal with. 237 00:19:37,917 --> 00:19:39,750 Like, I'm not that regular guy. 238 00:19:39,833 --> 00:19:42,375 I'm not here to hammer you about a case. 239 00:19:42,458 --> 00:19:43,875 We're just here to talk. 240 00:19:44,792 --> 00:19:46,208 Tomorrow is it? - Tomorrow. 241 00:19:46,333 --> 00:19:48,125 - I didn't hear any about any of that. 242 00:19:48,208 --> 00:19:50,167 She wouldn't talk to me. 243 00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:52,667 (tense music) 244 00:19:56,083 --> 00:19:58,250 - Detective Hill says, you know, 245 00:19:58,375 --> 00:20:01,792 "I'm just gonna tell you the meat and potatoes of our case. 246 00:20:01,792 --> 00:20:02,958 I don't care. 247 00:20:03,042 --> 00:20:04,833 You know, I don't have anything to hide. 248 00:20:04,917 --> 00:20:06,083 I already know you did it 249 00:20:06,208 --> 00:20:08,583 and I'm gonna tell you how I know you did it." 250 00:22:15,583 --> 00:22:17,958 The whole goal at the beginning of the interview 251 00:22:18,042 --> 00:22:21,333 was to connect with him, have him feel comfortable, 252 00:22:21,417 --> 00:22:22,833 have him open up. 253 00:22:22,917 --> 00:22:25,167 But he didn't confess as quickly as I thought he would 254 00:22:25,208 --> 00:22:26,417 when I laid it out there. 255 00:22:26,542 --> 00:22:28,583 That's why I kind of shifted towards Randy. 256 00:23:40,667 --> 00:23:43,708 I felt like if I made Randy our common enemy then 257 00:23:43,875 --> 00:23:46,250 it's not just Cody's enemy, he's my enemy too. 258 00:23:46,375 --> 00:23:48,333 We, we both hate Randy Kennedy. 259 00:23:48,417 --> 00:23:50,750 He's a bad guy, he's a dangerous guy. 260 00:23:50,833 --> 00:23:53,417 And that was another way to kind of get to where 261 00:23:53,542 --> 00:23:55,667 he was looking at me more as a friend, 262 00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:57,375 instead of the cop who's trying to 263 00:23:57,458 --> 00:23:59,792 put a manslaughter charge on him. 264 00:24:12,042 --> 00:24:14,417 (tense music) 265 00:24:16,375 --> 00:24:19,167 I really thought, okay, that's gonna be enough. 266 00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:20,667 He's gonna confess right here. 267 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,500 - My thoughts on it was, 268 00:24:47,542 --> 00:24:49,333 this is actually good for me because 269 00:24:49,417 --> 00:24:52,000 she's gonna be on my side this whole time. 270 00:24:52,042 --> 00:24:54,333 Based on my one conversation with her, 271 00:24:54,417 --> 00:24:57,667 she doesn't like Cody. She, she's over him. 272 00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:59,667 She doesn't care what happens to him. 273 00:24:59,750 --> 00:25:02,458 She's gonna want him to confess to get this over with. 274 00:25:19,333 --> 00:25:22,667 It allowed me to show him that, yeah, I got your back. 275 00:25:22,708 --> 00:25:24,625 Like I'm gonna help you out with this. 276 00:25:26,667 --> 00:25:28,875 (tense music) 277 00:25:45,042 --> 00:25:47,042 I was feeling pretty good at this point. 278 00:25:47,125 --> 00:25:49,208 We're still in good shape and she's gonna come in 279 00:25:49,292 --> 00:25:51,542 and she's gonna be like, "You better tell 'em everything. 280 00:25:51,625 --> 00:25:53,417 I'm sick of having to deal with this." 281 00:25:53,542 --> 00:25:55,875 You know, "You better tell the truth." 282 00:25:55,958 --> 00:25:57,292 I was thinking, we're gonna 283 00:25:57,375 --> 00:25:59,042 have this wrapped up in five minutes. 284 00:26:06,167 --> 00:26:10,667 She ran into the room and jumped in his arms and I thought, 285 00:26:10,750 --> 00:26:14,083 oh man, I completely misread this situation. 286 00:26:20,042 --> 00:26:22,208 (pensive music) 287 00:26:27,542 --> 00:26:30,167 - That threw me off and I was like, oh, 288 00:26:30,208 --> 00:26:34,167 she's not over him. She's not, she's not on our side. 289 00:26:34,208 --> 00:26:35,750 We are on the wrong day 290 00:26:35,875 --> 00:26:38,333 and now we've got the wrong person in the room with us. 291 00:27:08,667 --> 00:27:10,333 - I'm watching this going, okay, 292 00:27:10,375 --> 00:27:12,917 how do I get in there and how do I break this up? 293 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,583 Because it did not go at all like I wanted it to. 294 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:28,583 You can see, I took the chair 295 00:27:28,667 --> 00:27:31,708 and faced it more towards her than Cody. 296 00:27:31,792 --> 00:27:33,667 I've spent hours talking with Cody, 297 00:27:33,708 --> 00:27:35,833 building a rapport and now I'm like, 298 00:27:35,875 --> 00:27:39,750 I gotta start over and do it all over again with her. 299 00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:41,708 The only chance to get this confession 300 00:27:41,833 --> 00:27:45,875 was to convince Kayla that I wasn't this horrible guy. 301 00:29:21,625 --> 00:29:24,042 - What Detective Hill's approach was, 302 00:29:24,125 --> 00:29:28,125 was to ingratiate himself to Cody Murphy 303 00:29:28,208 --> 00:29:31,458 and to make him believe that he was going 304 00:29:31,542 --> 00:29:32,750 to go to bat for him. 305 00:29:32,833 --> 00:29:35,167 Even though that was highly unusual, 306 00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:38,667 that it would make it look like Detective Hill 307 00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:41,417 was on Cody Murphy's side. 308 00:30:50,125 --> 00:30:51,375 - When Cody started defending me, 309 00:30:51,458 --> 00:30:53,708 that gave me the confidence to push him 310 00:30:53,792 --> 00:30:55,167 towards a confession. 311 00:30:55,292 --> 00:30:58,375 I kind of switched gears from trying to win Kayla over 312 00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:00,208 to now, back on Cody 313 00:31:00,333 --> 00:31:03,083 and now we're gonna push him towards a confession. 314 00:31:51,958 --> 00:31:54,250 (tense music) 315 00:33:38,125 --> 00:33:39,708 - I knew I had him where I needed him. 316 00:33:39,792 --> 00:33:42,625 This is the final push to try to get this confession. 317 00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:41,500 - I think he wants to tell me, but not in front of Kayla. 318 00:34:41,542 --> 00:34:44,042 I had got the feeling that she truly 319 00:34:44,167 --> 00:34:47,292 did not know that he had committed this crime. 320 00:34:48,667 --> 00:34:52,667 My perception of it was that he had hid it from her because 321 00:34:52,750 --> 00:34:55,625 Kayla's the most important person in the world to Cody. 322 00:34:55,708 --> 00:34:58,292 If she thought anything negative about him, 323 00:34:58,375 --> 00:34:59,708 that was gonna crush him. 324 00:35:01,667 --> 00:35:05,542 The thought was, now how do I separate them? 325 00:35:12,875 --> 00:35:15,500 - When Cody asked for that cigarette, I knew, okay, 326 00:35:15,542 --> 00:35:17,833 that's my chance to get them apart 327 00:35:17,875 --> 00:35:21,167 and it's my chance to do it without me being the bad guy. 328 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,500 We got outside, 329 00:35:40,583 --> 00:35:43,375 we had a little picnic table at the end of the building, 330 00:35:43,458 --> 00:35:45,750 which is where we let people smoke. 331 00:35:46,875 --> 00:35:50,625 So we get out there, he sits on top of the table, 332 00:35:50,708 --> 00:35:54,208 I light his cigarette and I sit down next to him. 333 00:35:55,917 --> 00:35:58,167 You only get one shot at this 334 00:35:58,292 --> 00:36:01,167 and if we get back up there and you miss, 335 00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:04,167 well, that's a year's worth of work and hours 336 00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:06,625 of building a rapport with this guy and it's over. 337 00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:13,208 Two or three cigarettes is what my plan was. 338 00:36:13,292 --> 00:36:17,125 And slowly get back into, "You need to tell me this," 339 00:36:17,208 --> 00:36:19,917 but as soon as I sat down, 340 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,375 I saw him break down and start to cry. 341 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:25,458 So I just put my arm around him 342 00:36:25,542 --> 00:36:27,917 and the first words out of his mouth were, 343 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,875 "It was an accident. 344 00:36:29,958 --> 00:36:33,542 I didn't mean to kill him, you know, 345 00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:35,792 no one was supposed to die when I did this. 346 00:36:35,875 --> 00:36:38,875 I was trying to get Randy Kennedy to leave me alone, 347 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,333 show him that I would shoot back 348 00:36:41,375 --> 00:36:44,333 if he didn't leave me alone," you know. 349 00:36:44,375 --> 00:36:46,667 And that, that I was excited but I was like, 350 00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:48,708 oh crap, I didn't bring my recorder. 351 00:36:48,792 --> 00:36:51,167 (suspenseful music) 352 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,292 (pensive music) 353 00:37:05,042 --> 00:37:08,250 - I still had to get him to say it on the recording. 354 00:37:08,250 --> 00:37:10,708 I got him back upstairs as quickly as I could. 355 00:37:12,250 --> 00:37:13,917 Even when we got back into the room, 356 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,083 I was still a little nervous 357 00:37:15,167 --> 00:37:16,458 because I didn't know if he was gonna 358 00:37:16,542 --> 00:37:17,833 say it in front of Kayla. 359 00:37:17,875 --> 00:37:19,125 So I'm thinking, 360 00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:21,917 did I miss my opportunity by not recording this? 361 00:37:21,917 --> 00:37:24,458 (tense music) (clock ticking) 362 00:40:12,375 --> 00:40:14,708 - Cody Murphy wanted people to like him 363 00:40:14,708 --> 00:40:20,542 and I was able to give him a way to get this off his chest 364 00:40:20,667 --> 00:40:23,542 and for him to still feel like I liked him at the end of it. 365 00:40:23,667 --> 00:40:26,375 And for Kayla to still have that, 366 00:40:26,458 --> 00:40:29,167 a positive relationship with him. 367 00:40:29,208 --> 00:40:32,875 I think for her, it was more she didn't wanna believe 368 00:40:32,958 --> 00:40:36,000 that somebody she loved killed somebody. 369 00:40:36,042 --> 00:40:37,625 That was difficult for her. 370 00:40:54,542 --> 00:40:56,667 There's nothing more serious than taking someone's life 371 00:40:56,750 --> 00:41:00,333 and you know, and then getting someone to admit to you. 372 00:41:00,375 --> 00:41:02,917 Especially someone who, for hours, 373 00:41:03,042 --> 00:41:06,375 did everything he could to try not to say it out loud. 374 00:41:06,458 --> 00:41:08,542 It is a pretty good rush. 375 00:41:11,125 --> 00:41:14,083 (gentle music) (dates clicking) 376 00:41:30,708 --> 00:41:32,958 - [Price] Justice means looking at everything 377 00:41:33,042 --> 00:41:36,583 and coming up with the most equitable result, 378 00:41:36,708 --> 00:41:39,083 taking everything into consideration. 379 00:41:39,208 --> 00:41:43,875 And I do feel like what we came up with in the end did that. 380 00:41:45,542 --> 00:41:48,542 - It's so easy to look at a cold case and say, 381 00:41:48,625 --> 00:41:50,333 well, if they couldn't do anything with it back then, 382 00:41:50,375 --> 00:41:52,167 what am I gonna do now? 383 00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:53,833 But if you're patient enough 384 00:41:53,875 --> 00:41:56,375 and you're willing to work hard enough, 385 00:41:56,458 --> 00:41:59,333 you can get some closure for a family 386 00:41:59,417 --> 00:42:02,125 that hasn't had it for years. 387 00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:15,000 - It's not so much what I miss about him. 388 00:42:15,083 --> 00:42:20,000 It hurts not seeing his life go forward, 389 00:42:20,083 --> 00:42:23,167 never seeing him get married, have kids. 390 00:42:23,208 --> 00:42:26,792 There was a time in my life when he was everything to me. 391 00:42:26,875 --> 00:42:30,417 What hurts now about it is just knowing 392 00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:32,292 that he's missed out on so much. 393 00:42:33,458 --> 00:42:37,208 - Timothy was a very forgiving person. 394 00:42:37,292 --> 00:42:39,875 So I know that in this situation, 395 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,375 Timothy would've voiced his opinion and said his piece, 396 00:42:43,458 --> 00:42:45,667 but he also would've forgave. 397 00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:48,208 And even though I'm not to that point yet, 398 00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:52,125 I hope that I can for my own benefit. 399 00:42:52,208 --> 00:42:57,833 Cody took somebody that meant something to a lot of people. 400 00:42:57,875 --> 00:43:00,667 He took a part of our family 401 00:43:00,750 --> 00:43:03,375 that took a part of our hearts 402 00:43:03,458 --> 00:43:06,042 and we can't get that back. 403 00:43:06,167 --> 00:43:08,292 (melancholy music)