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You bought a used truck.

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I drove it home
and it started having serious issues.

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No. He told us everything was
perfectly fine.

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Did you try to get your money back
from her?

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She blocked me instantly.
No response.

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She stated to me when I purchased
the vehicle, tellin' me everything's good.

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Why are you trusting
a seller of a used car?

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I mean, they really sold me.

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Her mom said she'd been crying all day
about selling the car

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'cause she didn't want to sell it.

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So, she was crying when you came there,

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but she was laughing when you left.

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[laughs]

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[narrator]
Now, on Tribunal Justice…

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[theme music playing]

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[narrator] Today's case
was filed in McMinnville, Oregon.

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Your Honor, this is case number 3040

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in the matter of
Robinson vs. Bogosian.

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[Levy]
Thank you, Cassandra.

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[Cassandra]
You may be seated.

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Okay, Mr. Robinson.
Looks like you bought a used truck

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from the defendant, Miss Bogosian.

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-Correct?
-Correct.

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-[Levy] How old are you?
-Uh, I just turned 18.

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Super. And Ms. Busser,
you are who to…

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-Her mother.
-[Levy] Her mom. Okay, good.

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So, you bought a used truck
from the defendant

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Miss Bogosian,
and she described that truck

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as running in top notch condition,
and no significant problems.

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Yes, Your Honor.

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[Levy] Turns out though,
that the truck had major problems

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that made it unsafe to drive.

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And while you bought that vehicle
from the defendant for $15,000,

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you're only suing for $10,000 here
because that's our jurisdictional limit.

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Yes, Your Honor.

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[Levy] And Miss Bogosian,
that truck that you sold,

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you said was a gift from your dad?

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Correct, Your Honor.

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That you had it inspected,
or your mom had it inspected

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by a licensed mechanic
prior to selling it.

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And that mechanic fixed
all of the issues with the engine.

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-Correct.
-[Levy] You say the lawsuit

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should be dismissed
because number one,

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it was a used truck and therefore,
it was sold in as-in condition.

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Um, correct.

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And also, it was in
perfect running condition when I sold it.

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[Levy]
All right. Perfect running condition.

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And therefore,
any problems with the truck

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after you sold it,
must've been caused by the plaintiff.

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Yes, correct.

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[Levy]
Got it. So, Mr. Robinson,

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it's a used car, as-is.

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Yeah. I understand what as-is means.
Yes, Your Honor.

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So, regardless of just about anything

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that the defendant says, the seller says,

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most buyers in your position
have very little recourse.

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So, how do you plan on overcoming
that huge legal burden?

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Well, Your Honor, for one, I did not
sign anything that says it was sold as-is.

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Doesn't have to.
Used cars are all sold as-is.

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Unless otherwise stated,
or unless the sellers provide a warranty.

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-Which you did not, correct?
-Correct.

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[Levy]
Give me another one.

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Yes. So, when I purchased the vehicle,

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I drove it home
and it started having serious issues.

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She stated to me
when I purchased the vehicle

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that she just had
about $6,000 worth of work

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performed on it by a diesel mechanic.

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So my thinking is the first thing to do is
call the mechanic

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since they told me that all the work
that was just done was under warranty,

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he's a super good mechanic,
he knows the truck better than they do.

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Um, it's all taken care of.

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Her mom was patting me on the back
the whole time,

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telling me everything's good.

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If you have any problems
just call and he'll take care of you.

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[Levy] Did you say that the work
you had done was warrantied?

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-No, sir.
-[Levy] You did not. Okay.

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Let's take a look at this truck,
if we could.

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That's one good-lookin' truck.

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Nice, shiny.
Looks like a shiny penny.

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[Justin chuckles]

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-[Levy] Ms. Bogosian?
-[Aubrey] Yeah?

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[Levy] That's a big truck. How old
were you when your dad gave it to you?

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I was 16 years old.

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-[Levy] Sixteen years old?
-Yes.

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How do you even get into that truck?
You're 16 years…

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My whole life, my dad had massive trucks,
so I kinda just learned.

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Okay. You sold it when?
What was the date that you sold it?

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Uh, September 22nd, I believe.

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-Of '24.
-[Aubrey] Yes, correct.

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And when did your dad buy it?

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I am not sure.
I would say approximately two years.

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-He had it since about 2022.
-[Aubrey] Before I… Yeah.

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Maybe around there.

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[Levy] Tell me about this ad
right now please, sir.

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Was it the defendant who was listing this
on the Marketplace,

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or was it someone else?

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It was kind of interesting.
I'm thinking I'm talking to somebody

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named James Bogo, a man.

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And I'm having a conversation
with this James during the day

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before I go and meet for the truck.
And then I show up

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and there's her standing in the driveway
with her whole family outside.

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And that man that's in the pictures
for the ad is nowhere to be found.

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And then, I showed up and it's
actually her that's selling the truck,

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using a different Facebook
for whatever reason.

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Let's take a look at 09, please.
Was this the ad?

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[Aubrey]
This is my ad. Yes, correct.

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[Levy] So, on the right,
it says "James Bogo" on the bottom.

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Who's James Bogo?

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[Aubrey]
That is my father.

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As we know, I was 17, I wasn't old enough
to have a Facebook Marketplace account.

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Why not use your mom?

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Uh, I don't know.
I just used my father's.

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[Levy] Okay. Where's your dad?
How come he's not here?

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Um, my dad is in prison.

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[Levy]
Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

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So, you put down what you did
as far as the condition

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because that's
what the mechanic told you, right?

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Yes, correct.

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[Levy] When you went there, sir,
to see this vehicle,

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you saw it on the ad. Did you communicate
with who you believed to be James Bogo?

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Yes, I was thinking
I was talking to James Bogo

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the whole time until I got there.

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-[Levy] Were you on the phone?
-[Justin] Just on Messenger.

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So, what'd you do?
You drove out to see the vehicle?

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Yes, Your Honor.
I went with my 73-year-old landlord.

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He sat in his van the whole time.
He had a big light in front of his van,

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because we got there
and it was about 9:00, 9:30 at night

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when we got there, I believe.

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So, he was kind of my light
so I could check out the truck better.

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[Levy] And you decided
to make an offer on the truck?

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Uh, we had already, me and Aubrey
had already discussed an offer.

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She wouldn't go lower than $15,000.

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-Okay. So, it was listed for $17,000.
-[Justin] Yeah.

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-And she stuck to her guns at $15,000.
-Yes.

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[Levy]
'Cause you had a perfect running truck,

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-and you knew what the value was.
-Correct.

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Coming up on Tribunal Justice…

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Saying it's a great truck
and it runs great, that's puffery.

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That's salesmanship.
Sales people do that all the time.

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Okay.

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So, tell me something
that was specifically untrue.

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[theme music playing]

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[narrator] Justin Robinson
is suing Aubrey Bogosian

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and her mom Alyssa Busser for $10,000.

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Justin claims they sold him a truck
that was too dangerous to drive.

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But Aubrey and Alyssa say
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and they never misrepresented anything.

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-It was listed for $17,000.
-[Justin] Yeah.

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And she stuck to her guns
at $15,000.

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-Yeah.
-Yes.

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[Levy] 'Cause you had a perfect running
truck and you knew the value.

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Correct.

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-[Levy] You take it for a test drive.
-[Justin] Correct, yes.

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[Levy]
And where'd you do that?

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So, how the test drive worked.
She drove the truck first.

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She had her whole family in the car.

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I'm in the passenger seat,
she's in the driver's seat.

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She drove us around a couple neighborhoods
for like five, ten minutes,

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and asked if I wanted to drive it
when she got back.

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I said sure.
I have no idea where I am.

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I have no idea what city I'm in. This is
an hour and a half away from my house.

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Everything seems fine on the test drive.
Nothing seems weird.

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She's taking me through
all these little neighborhoods.

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She doesn't take me
on a highway or anything.

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[Levy]
Is that correct?

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Um, I offered to go on the highway.
He did not want to.

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-Why would I not…
-[Levy] Yeah.

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Why would he not want to do that?
He's paying $15,000 for a vehicle.

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And he would want to see how it is
when it gets up to speed.

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Especially a 2005 truck.

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I'm 100% sure he's lying.
I offered to go on the highway

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because it's right around the corner
from my house.

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And he said, "No, it feels good.
Everything feels good."

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-[Levy] You're sticking to your guns.
-Yeah, I…

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[Levy]
Mom, is that right?

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-Yeah, I…
-[Levy] Okay, that's fine.

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So, you decide to buy the truck.
And now you give her the $15,000.

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Does she give you a Bill of Sale
or a receipt?

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Uh, so, we just did like a DMV report
for a Bill of Sale

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once I purchased the truck.

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Okay. Did she provide the title
to the truck?

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Yes, she did, Your Honor.

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And what, if any, other paperwork
did she provide?

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Uh, just the receipt from the mechanic
who just performed

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all the work on the truck.

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Can we see 04 please?

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And total amount of money
that was spent was $4,000.

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[Justin]
Yes, Your Honor.

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-[Levy] Ms. Bogosian, is that accurate?
-Yeah, correct.

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And that's all the work that was done.

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Yes, correct.

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And there was no other work
that was suggested

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that be done by the mechanic?
Nothing else?

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He suggested,
but the stuff that he suggested

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is after-market. It's not necessary
and costs about $10,000.

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And what was it
that he was recommending?

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It's called bullet proofing.

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Pretty much, you put studs in the head
to make sure nothing ever goes wrong.

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-Was something going wrong that…
-[Aubrey] Um, no.

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So, nothing was wrong with
the head gaskets that you were aware of?

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No. It just wasn't studded
and it was getting high in miles,

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and he was like,
you guys can do it if you want,

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but it was not something
that was necessary.

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Okay. So, you buy it,
and then you're on the drive home.

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-[Justin] Yes.
-Tell us what happened.

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When I initially went on the test
drive and she was driving it first,

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I noticed the check engine light was on.

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I asked during the test drive,
there's a check engine light.

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Do you know what's going on with that?
And she said, "Honestly, I don't know."

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And then, her stepdad in the back seat's
like, "I have a code reader

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we can plug in real quick and check it out
if you want before you buy it."

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I was like, "That'd be super helpful."

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So, we plug in the code reader.
The code reader says

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it's like a sensor for like an exhaust,
or something like that.

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And I'm thinking, okay,
that's probably not a huge issue,

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we can still go through with it.
And then, I go home.

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I'm driving home and
the truck is what's called surging.

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So, the RPMs are up and down, super loud.

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It sounds like the turbo's
kicking on and off,

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the whole drive home,
hour and a half.

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I'm extremely worried the motor's
gonna blow the whole way home.

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First thing I did in the morning
was call the mechanic.

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He basically told me the truth
about the truck.

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Okay. So, I want to hear this,
but I also want to make it clear

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what someone else told you
who's not in court to testify

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is typically considered hearsay.

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I am accepting your testimony,
not for the truth of what the man said,

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but simply for your state of mind
as to what you did afterwards.

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-Do you follow that?
-Okay.

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So, what did the mechanic tell you?

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So, he told me that it needs
new head gaskets.

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He just did a bunch of work on it.
And Aubrey and her mom

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couldn't afford the work
that needed to be done to it,

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so they bargained on price.
They had the truck towed over there.

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They had a box full of used parts,
Napa parts.

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All kinds of parts that
aren't supposed to go in that truck.

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And he was very specific with them.

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And they just basically
had him patch up the truck,

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so they could get it on to the next guy
and sell it.

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And it was running,
don't get me wrong.

242
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But is it running like it's supposed to
safely? No, not at all.

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[Levy]
So, what you claim the mechanic said was

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that when the defendant and her mom

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brought the vehicle in,
or one or both of them brought it in,

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it was towed in
because it was not running.

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-Yes, Your Honor.
-[Levy] And it needed a lot of work.

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-Yes, Your Honor.
-True or false?

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-Um, true.
-[Levy] Okay.

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You said the mechanic provided them
with a list of items

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that needed to be fixed,
including new head gaskets.

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Not one of these bullet proofing stuff.
New head gaskets.

253
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-Yes, Your Honor.
-[Aubrey] No.

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He told us everything was perfectly fine.

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I mean, if it needed head gaskets,
we wouldn't have taken it back.

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[Levy]
You know something about cars.

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Yeah, it's a big deal.

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-[Levy] It's a big deal.
-Yeah.

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So, according to what the plaintiff
is saying is that the mechanic told you

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that it needed new head gaskets,
and you ignored his recommendation,

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fixed none of the head gasket problems,
the engine problems,

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and instead only authorized repairs
like we saw

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to get the truck running
so it could be sold.

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That's what he's saying the mechanic said.
Is that true or false?

265
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That is false.

266
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False. I got it. According to
what I heard you say a moment ago,

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you said the mechanic also told you
that that truck should not be driven

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with a blown head gasket, it wasn't safe.

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Yes. The motor could blow up, potentially.

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Did the mechanic say
he told the defendant the same thing,

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-that it wasn't safe?
-Yes, Your Honor.

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[Levy]
Do you admit that or deny that?

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I deny that.

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[dramatic music playing]

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[narrator]
Coming up on Tribunal Justice…

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He's selling the truck.
You can read right here, he says,

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"Truck sounds like a jet
and has plenty of power."

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So, who is being dishonest here?

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[theme music playing]

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[narrator] Defendants Aubrey Bogosian
and her mom Alyssa Busser

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are being sued by Justin Robinson
for $10,000.

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Justin claims that the defendants lied
about the condition of a truck

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he bought from them.
But Aubrey says,

284
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Justin came, saw, and bought the truck
as-is, so, they owe nothing.

285
00:12:14,934 --> 00:12:17,233
Let's take a look
at the video of the truck,

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the 30 second video of the truck,
please.

287
00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:22,033
Sir, this is you taking this video?

288
00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:23,834
Yes. If you look,
you'll see the mileage

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is pretty identical
on all my documentation.

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00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,233
It never changed much
throughout my ownership.

291
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I didn't drive the truck anywhere
except for to shops, so.

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[Levy]
And that was 152,000 miles.

293
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-Yes, Your Honor.
-[Levy] Let's play the video.

294
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[truck ignition beeps]

295
00:12:39,967 --> 00:12:42,934
[truck engine trying to turn over]

296
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-Can I speak on that?
-[Levy] Yes, please.

297
00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,800
I, that was… No. I drove that truck
every day to school,

298
00:12:55,867 --> 00:12:57,667
to the store, to run errands.

299
00:12:57,734 --> 00:13:01,533
Time out. You just said that the truck
had to be towed to the mechanic's.

300
00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,567
No, after the mechanic,
is what I'm talking about.

301
00:13:04,633 --> 00:13:06,200
But what was wrong with it?

302
00:13:06,266 --> 00:13:09,133
So, when it first went in,
we weren't sure what's wrong with it.

303
00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,300
That's why we took it to the mechanic.

304
00:13:11,367 --> 00:13:15,233
Because we have mechanic family friends,
and they didn't know.

305
00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:18,100
So, we took it to a shop.
And pretty much

306
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everything that was wrong
is what is on the receipt,

307
00:13:20,667 --> 00:13:21,900
that we couldn't figure out.

308
00:13:21,967 --> 00:13:23,667
All right. Thank you so much.
Judge Acker.

309
00:13:23,734 --> 00:13:24,800
[Acker]
Thank you, Judge.

310
00:13:24,867 --> 00:13:27,100
Is this the first vehicle
you've ever sold?

311
00:13:27,166 --> 00:13:28,166
Uh, yes, ma'am.

312
00:13:28,233 --> 00:13:30,000
See, to me, it absolutely made sense.

313
00:13:30,066 --> 00:13:32,800
I didn't know the rules
about Facebook Marketplace, I assumed,

314
00:13:32,867 --> 00:13:34,734
-I've never sold anything on the market.
-Yes.

315
00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,734
Um, you're a minor,
but there are all kinds of reasons

316
00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,633
why a 17-year-old young woman
isn't gonna advertise herself

317
00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:44,000
-when she's trying to do a deal in public.
-Yes.

318
00:13:44,066 --> 00:13:46,100
[Acker]
You could attract all kinds of nuts.

319
00:13:46,165 --> 00:13:47,300
The world is crazy.

320
00:13:47,367 --> 00:13:49,100
[Acker]
True. True facts.

321
00:13:49,165 --> 00:13:53,500
Uh, so, sir, it's 9:00 at night.
Why were you in such a hurry?

322
00:13:53,567 --> 00:13:56,233
It wasn't so much a hurry,
it was just I wanted a truck.

323
00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:59,367
I needed a truck for work,
but it wasn't like I needed one right now.

324
00:13:59,433 --> 00:14:00,834
I wanted one right now.

325
00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:02,834
If that's the case,
why are you buying a truck

326
00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:06,066
that you don't test drive sufficiently?

327
00:14:06,133 --> 00:14:08,633
Why are you taking it to the mechanic
after the fact?

328
00:14:08,700 --> 00:14:11,500
Why are you checking the codes
after the fact?

329
00:14:11,567 --> 00:14:15,667
These are all things
that if you're buying a used car,

330
00:14:15,734 --> 00:14:17,467
you should do before.
How old are you?

331
00:14:17,533 --> 00:14:19,734
-You're not a tiny 17-year-old.
-You're right.

332
00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,533
-Is this the first car you've purchased?
-No.

333
00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,233
So, you certainly know
that when you buy a car from someone else,

334
00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:27,734
there are things that one
should reasonably do

335
00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,667
to make sure it's in good working order.

336
00:14:29,734 --> 00:14:33,066
And I did. We did go for a test drive.
The only thing we didn't do was

337
00:14:33,133 --> 00:14:35,900
go on a highway.
Again, I had no idea where I was.

338
00:14:35,967 --> 00:14:38,433
She says she lives by a highway,
but as far as I know,

339
00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:41,100
we were like half an hour from a highway.
She lives in the country.

340
00:14:41,165 --> 00:14:42,834
You know,
you have to go back tomorrow.

341
00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:44,834
You're about to give them
a whole lot of money.

342
00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:46,165
What do you do for a living?

343
00:14:46,233 --> 00:14:47,400
I own two detailing businesses.

344
00:14:47,467 --> 00:14:48,900
[Acker]
So, you're in the business.

345
00:14:48,967 --> 00:14:51,400
You know what's up with cars.
I mean, frankly,

346
00:14:51,467 --> 00:14:56,700
Aubrey, as you were answering Judge Levy,
I wanted to say to you, "say less."

347
00:14:56,767 --> 00:14:58,667
-Yes.
-[Acker] The car wasn't perfect.

348
00:14:58,734 --> 00:15:00,867
-Yeah.
-[Acker] It's his job to make sure

349
00:15:00,934 --> 00:15:04,934
the car is road worthy.
It's your job not to commit any fraud.

350
00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,166
Yeah.

351
00:15:06,233 --> 00:15:08,367
So, Mr. Robinson,
tell me where the fraud is.

352
00:15:08,433 --> 00:15:09,600
Oh, there's a lot of it.

353
00:15:09,667 --> 00:15:11,233
So, after talking to the mechanic,

354
00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:13,266
he obviously told me the truth
on everything.

355
00:15:13,333 --> 00:15:14,567
Which was?

356
00:15:14,633 --> 00:15:17,000
That it needs new head gaskets,
and needs a lot of other work.

357
00:15:17,066 --> 00:15:20,333
Did she say, "I promise you this car
doesn't need new head gaskets"?

358
00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,266
No, but I specifically asked her
and her mother before I left…

359
00:15:23,333 --> 00:15:26,533
This is funny. When I gave her
all the money, and afterwards,

360
00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,300
I asked her,
"Now that I've bought this truck,

361
00:15:28,367 --> 00:15:31,266
is there anything else I need to know
that you could tell me right now?"

362
00:15:31,333 --> 00:15:34,667
Dude, why are you trusting
a seller of a used car?

363
00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:36,567
-Why?
-I showed up at their house.

364
00:15:36,633 --> 00:15:39,133
They're literally in a nice neighborhood.
Nicest people ever.

365
00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,300
Promising me this.
It's all under warranty.

366
00:15:41,367 --> 00:15:43,600
"The mechanic knows this truck
better than we do."

367
00:15:43,667 --> 00:15:45,533
Uh, I mean, they really sold me.

368
00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,633
[Acker] Right now, I just think
that you didn't do your due diligence.

369
00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:51,867
And tiny Aubrey
got the better end of the deal.

370
00:15:51,934 --> 00:15:54,000
Tell me why you were selling this car.

371
00:15:54,066 --> 00:15:56,433
Um, so, I'm a senior in high school,

372
00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:59,667
and my school requires a senior project.

373
00:15:59,734 --> 00:16:03,066
And I don't have really,
the funds myself

374
00:16:03,133 --> 00:16:06,200
to do what I want to do
for my senior project,

375
00:16:06,266 --> 00:16:08,734
which was build my car that I have.

376
00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,500
For your senior project
you were going to build a car?

377
00:16:11,567 --> 00:16:13,367
-I am currently.
-[Acker] You're building a car.

378
00:16:13,433 --> 00:16:15,266
-Yes.
-What kind of car are you building?

379
00:16:15,333 --> 00:16:17,367
Um, it's a Subaru WRX.

380
00:16:17,433 --> 00:16:18,767
[Acker]
So, how do you do that?

381
00:16:18,834 --> 00:16:20,834
You just get a used car
and you rebuild it?

382
00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:24,467
Um, it's been in our family.
My mom and my step dad drove it

383
00:16:24,533 --> 00:16:26,500
for many years before it was mine.

384
00:16:26,567 --> 00:16:27,667
What do you want to do?

385
00:16:27,734 --> 00:16:30,800
When I graduate?
I'm going to some sort of trade school.

386
00:16:30,867 --> 00:16:32,233
I haven't decided yet.

387
00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:37,333
So, you know, I'm not trying to
take your concerns lightly, Mr. Robinson.

388
00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,500
I just think that you did
a whole lot of work after the fact

389
00:16:40,567 --> 00:16:43,133
that more appropriately
should've been done before the fact.

390
00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,800
-Okay.
-Saying it's a great truck

391
00:16:44,867 --> 00:16:48,400
and it runs great, that's puffery.
That's salesmanship.

392
00:16:48,467 --> 00:16:51,300
-Sales people do that all the time.
-Okay.

393
00:16:51,367 --> 00:16:54,333
So, tell me something
that was specifically untrue.

394
00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,433
[dramatic music playing]

395
00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:57,700
[narrator]
Coming up on Tribunal Justice…

396
00:16:57,767 --> 00:17:00,800
I'm thinking about how not to buy a car.

397
00:17:00,867 --> 00:17:04,133
Don't do it at night.
Don't… bring a mechanic with you.

398
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,599
And you negotiated the price
before you even saw the car.

399
00:17:08,666 --> 00:17:11,767
And so, you did nothing
but play into her hand.

400
00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,133
[theme music playing]

401
00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,867
[narrator]
Justin Robinson wants $10,000

402
00:17:19,934 --> 00:17:22,433
from Aubrey Bogosian
and her mom, Alyssa Busser,

403
00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:26,567
after he bought their truck.
Justin claims it was a mechanical mess.

404
00:17:26,633 --> 00:17:30,433
But Aubrey claims there was nothing wrong
after a mechanic fixed everything.

405
00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:33,500
And Justin bought it as-is.

406
00:17:33,567 --> 00:17:35,834
Saying it's a great truck
and it runs great,

407
00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:40,567
that's puffery, that's salesmanship.
Sales people do that all the time.

408
00:17:40,633 --> 00:17:41,800
Okay.

409
00:17:41,867 --> 00:17:44,133
So, tell me something
that was specifically untrue.

410
00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,000
So, it says right here on her ad,
for the post in general, it says, um,

411
00:17:48,066 --> 00:17:49,600
"I planned on keeping the truck.

412
00:17:49,667 --> 00:17:51,800
Truck runs top notch
with plenty of power."

413
00:17:51,867 --> 00:17:56,266
With the truck having the problems it has,
it clearly doesn't run top notch or…

414
00:17:56,333 --> 00:18:00,800
It might run top notch for a truck
with, what, 150,000 miles

415
00:18:00,867 --> 00:18:02,667
that's had a bunch of modifications.

416
00:18:02,734 --> 00:18:04,600
Well, you saw the video.

417
00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:06,533
Buyer beware, as-is.

418
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,700
That's the standard
unless you can show fraud.

419
00:18:08,767 --> 00:18:11,467
You know, it's like suggesting
you could say like,

420
00:18:11,533 --> 00:18:14,600
this is like the best gavel ever.
You know what, you should buy this.

421
00:18:14,667 --> 00:18:17,667
This is the best gavel ever.
I've never had a gavel like this.

422
00:18:17,734 --> 00:18:19,633
No one's got a gavel as good as this.

423
00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:20,834
I do.

424
00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,800
-Exactly!
-[all laugh]

425
00:18:22,867 --> 00:18:24,767
-Exactly.
-I mean, I don't disagree with you.

426
00:18:24,834 --> 00:18:27,433
I probably should've had it
checked out by a mechanic first.

427
00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:29,834
But as soon as I showed up,
her mom said she'd been crying all day

428
00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:32,333
about selling the car because
it has so much sentimental value to her

429
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,567
and she didn't want to sell it.

430
00:18:33,633 --> 00:18:35,600
I mean, there's so many things
they really just…

431
00:18:35,667 --> 00:18:37,300
I really fell for it all, you know.

432
00:18:37,367 --> 00:18:38,667
I feel like you got played.

433
00:18:38,734 --> 00:18:39,867
I really, really did.

434
00:18:39,934 --> 00:18:41,700
I talked to the mechanic the next morning

435
00:18:41,767 --> 00:18:43,967
and I felt like I had
just gotten stabbed in the stomach.

436
00:18:44,033 --> 00:18:46,033
-I was like, "Are you serious right now?"
-Note

437
00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:49,000
that you say she's crying.
But by the same token,

438
00:18:49,066 --> 00:18:51,967
when you're like, okay, can you sell,
she's like, no, $15,000.

439
00:18:52,033 --> 00:18:54,033
-She drove a hard bargain.
-[Justin] Yeah.

440
00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:56,033
-Were you gonna say something, mom?
-[Alyssa] Yes.

441
00:18:56,100 --> 00:19:00,800
Um, so, Mr. Robinson pointed out
that the truck has no power,

442
00:19:00,867 --> 00:19:05,867
but um, in Mr. Robinson's…
um, he's selling the truck.

443
00:19:05,934 --> 00:19:08,133
-He has the truck posted for sale.
-Yes.

444
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,600
You can read right here, he says,
"All work has been done in diesel shop.

445
00:19:11,667 --> 00:19:13,700
Have receipts for work done.

446
00:19:13,767 --> 00:19:17,567
Truck sounds like a jet
and has plenty of power."

447
00:19:17,633 --> 00:19:20,734
So, who is being dishonest here?

448
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,967
Because you're making representations
to the public that it's got great power.

449
00:19:25,033 --> 00:19:28,333
And that's not necessarily true.
Because in the pictures of that ad,

450
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,500
I don't know if they posted the pictures
of all those.

451
00:19:30,567 --> 00:19:32,934
I had receipts from the mechanic
that they gave me.

452
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,400
And I have receipts from my mechanic
once I took it to my mechanic as well.

453
00:19:36,467 --> 00:19:38,467
I also have messages
from all kinds of different people

454
00:19:38,533 --> 00:19:40,500
that I've provided you guys
for evidence.

455
00:19:40,567 --> 00:19:43,300
This shows me being very honest
with people trying to buy the vehicle.

456
00:19:43,367 --> 00:19:47,100
I am going to end where I started.
Which is,

457
00:19:47,166 --> 00:19:50,300
when you buy a used vehicle
it is incumbent on the buyer

458
00:19:50,367 --> 00:19:52,767
to do the due diligence
and do the inspections

459
00:19:52,834 --> 00:19:55,834
and ensure that the car
is working properly.

460
00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:58,066
I'm gonna further add
that if you show up

461
00:19:58,133 --> 00:20:02,734
and the seller is crying and in tears,
maybe you should take a beat.

462
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,066
Maybe you should take a beat.
Judge DiMango.

463
00:20:05,133 --> 00:20:08,533
So, she was crying when you came there

464
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,200
but she was laughing when you left.

465
00:20:11,266 --> 00:20:12,800
[Justin laughs] Yes.

466
00:20:12,867 --> 00:20:15,633
Judge Levy said,
it was like a shiny penny.

467
00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:18,533
And you know what,
it could've been worth that as well.

468
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,667
Yeah.

469
00:20:19,734 --> 00:20:22,734
How many cars have you bought and sold
in your young career?

470
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,433
Um, not any for my career,
just in my life.

471
00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:27,800
I'm 33, I've owned a lot of different
vehicles in my life.

472
00:20:27,867 --> 00:20:30,233
So, it's hard to put a number on it.
Maybe 15 or so.

473
00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:31,734
-[DiMango] Fifteen or so.
-Yeah.

474
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,266
That might be pushin' it.

475
00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,934
I'm thinking about all the things
that you did

476
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,567
that would be textbook
how not to buy a car.

477
00:20:39,633 --> 00:20:41,600
-Yeah.
-[DiMango] Don't do it at night.

478
00:20:41,667 --> 00:20:43,900
-Yeah.
-[DiMango] Bring a mechanic with you.

479
00:20:43,967 --> 00:20:46,467
Call her mechanic ahead of time
if she says,

480
00:20:46,533 --> 00:20:50,233
"I have receipts from a mechanic
who's gonna warranty."

481
00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:54,533
And you negotiated the price
before you even saw the car.

482
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,500
Well, it was posted for $17,000
and I didn't want to spend $17,000 on it.

483
00:20:57,567 --> 00:21:00,934
She's also an hour and a half away.
So, I wanted to make sure

484
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,700
that she was okay with the number
I was willing to offer before I came out.

485
00:21:03,767 --> 00:21:06,100
If I came over and had head gaskets
or something like that,

486
00:21:06,166 --> 00:21:08,100
I would've offered less
or not bought it.

487
00:21:08,166 --> 00:21:12,400
Most people expect
that the price they put out for anything

488
00:21:12,467 --> 00:21:16,967
is going to be cut down. I'll bet you
all she wanted was $15,000 for the truck.

489
00:21:17,033 --> 00:21:18,967
-Right? Am I right?
-Yes.

490
00:21:19,033 --> 00:21:23,433
[DiMango] And so, you did nothing
but play into her hand.

491
00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:26,367
Almost like a desperateness
for you to want this truck.

492
00:21:26,433 --> 00:21:27,834
Why? What is it?

493
00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:30,000
I didn't feel like there was
a desperateness for me.

494
00:21:30,066 --> 00:21:31,767
I just really wanted a truck and…

495
00:21:31,834 --> 00:21:35,633
You are… You know, we say in Italian,
you're a gabadost, you're a thick head.

496
00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:38,767
You are. You did all these things
to make a purchase

497
00:21:38,834 --> 00:21:41,533
in the middle of the night,
and you did nothing, really,

498
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,934
that we'd say,
this guy did his due diligence.

499
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,266
Now, I'm not sayin'
that I like what went on here.

500
00:21:46,333 --> 00:21:48,934
I don't know enough
about cars or trucks to say that,

501
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,567
for instance, what her mechanic did.

502
00:21:51,633 --> 00:21:54,667
Were any of those things not done?

503
00:21:54,734 --> 00:21:56,400
Um, I really don't know.

504
00:21:56,467 --> 00:21:58,400
I'm not a mechanic myself,
so I can't…

505
00:21:58,467 --> 00:22:01,333
[DiMango] But you must've had
somebody look at it since then.

506
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,667
[Justin] I did provide documentation
from my mechanic

507
00:22:03,734 --> 00:22:05,066
as soon as I got her in there.

508
00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:06,934
What did your mechanic say?

509
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,233
She said it had two failed injectors,
have blown head gaskets.

510
00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:12,266
I provided evidence for you.

511
00:22:12,333 --> 00:22:15,266
Also, didn't she use like Honda parts
in this truck?

512
00:22:15,333 --> 00:22:17,834
[Justin] Yeah, there was all kinds
of other stuff involved.

513
00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,500
The suspension, that's a whole other case
of shadiness.

514
00:22:20,567 --> 00:22:22,567
[DiMango] Did you try to get your money
back from her?

515
00:22:22,633 --> 00:22:23,834
-Yes.
-[DiMango] How'd you do that?

516
00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:26,633
The very next morning,
as soon as I talked to the mechanic,

517
00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:29,200
the first thing I did is I messaged her
and told her

518
00:22:29,266 --> 00:22:31,000
I just found out the truth
about the truck,

519
00:22:31,066 --> 00:22:34,567
I really don't appreciate it. I don't want
to get messed out of my money.

520
00:22:34,633 --> 00:22:36,066
Gotcha. What'd she say?

521
00:22:36,133 --> 00:22:39,467
She blocked me instantly,
deleted the Facebook ad instantly.

522
00:22:39,533 --> 00:22:42,934
I tried texting her because
I did grab her phone number before I left.

523
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,800
So, I texted her and I was like, hey,
I'm bringing this truck over at 7:00.

524
00:22:46,867 --> 00:22:49,066
I'd appreciate it
if you just worked with me.

525
00:22:49,133 --> 00:22:50,700
No response. It said "read."

526
00:22:50,767 --> 00:22:52,700
We have video of you ringing the doorbell.

527
00:22:52,767 --> 00:22:55,500
He didn't seem threatening.
Why didn't you open the door?

528
00:22:55,567 --> 00:22:57,734
Um, first can I start
where I didn't reply?

529
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,533
So, I didn't reply because I was scared.
He seemed really mad.

530
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,333
-[DiMango] Well, he was mad.
-Yeah.

531
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,500
I mean, I would be

532
00:23:04,567 --> 00:23:06,367
-if I broke the truck too.
-Yes.

533
00:23:06,433 --> 00:23:09,767
None of my parents were gonna be home,
um, that night.

534
00:23:09,834 --> 00:23:12,000
She was home alone.
Let's see his efforts.

535
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:21,467
[DiMango] And you were like what?
Peepin' out the window to see if he…

536
00:23:21,533 --> 00:23:23,367
[Aubrey]
No, I was not home.

537
00:23:23,433 --> 00:23:25,700
[DiMango] Nobody was home?
-[Aubrey] Nope. Nobody was home.

538
00:23:25,767 --> 00:23:27,600
When you saw him at the house,

539
00:23:27,667 --> 00:23:31,100
what did you and your mother
say to one another? Like, uh-oh.

540
00:23:31,166 --> 00:23:34,166
No, we were just…
We knew he was coming.

541
00:23:34,233 --> 00:23:36,767
Why would he bring it back
if it was workin' fine?

542
00:23:36,834 --> 00:23:38,834
He was dying to have this car.

543
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:41,500
He was negotiating
before he even saw it.

544
00:23:41,567 --> 00:23:42,967
He really wanted this.

545
00:23:43,033 --> 00:23:45,834
And you still haven't really given me
an explanation why.

546
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:49,400
Because the Book value
on this car is not $15,000.

547
00:23:49,467 --> 00:23:51,500
-[Justin] Yeah.
-It's like half of that.

548
00:23:51,567 --> 00:23:54,600
Well, to be fair, they don't really go
for what they Blue Book for, these trucks.

549
00:23:54,667 --> 00:23:56,066
It's pretty fair for the market.

550
00:23:56,133 --> 00:23:57,934
The biggest selling point
on the truck for me was

551
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,934
that it just had
$6,000 worth of work done.

552
00:24:00,066 --> 00:24:01,467
[DiMango]
Have you sold the truck?

553
00:24:01,533 --> 00:24:03,233
Have I sold that truck? Yes, I did.

554
00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:04,567
How much did you sell it for?

555
00:24:04,633 --> 00:24:06,100
Six thousand dollars. Yeah.

556
00:24:06,166 --> 00:24:07,934
[DiMango]
You sold it for the Book value.

557
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,500
So, the bottom line is
you now have $6,000

558
00:24:10,567 --> 00:24:15,200
on a truck that you paid $15,000 for,
and you're asking us to give you $10,000.

559
00:24:15,266 --> 00:24:17,033
-Yeah.
-[DiMango] So, you kinda want

560
00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:18,400
to make a profit on this bad deal.

561
00:24:18,467 --> 00:24:21,166
I just want to break even, to be fair.

562
00:24:21,233 --> 00:24:23,433
[narrator]
Next time, on Tribunal Justice…

563
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:26,333
You specifically told him
that there were no engine problems.

564
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,700
Yeah.

565
00:24:27,767 --> 00:24:30,133
I think we have a witness
that we'd like to bring in.

566
00:24:31,233 --> 00:24:32,967
-You recognize him?
-The mechanic.

567
00:24:33,033 --> 00:24:35,633
Did you tell 'em that the truck was
not safe to drive?

568
00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:36,967
Yes.

569
00:24:37,033 --> 00:24:38,567
The truck needed a lot of work.

570
00:24:38,633 --> 00:24:41,200
Is there anything about your testimony
you want to change?

571
00:24:41,266 --> 00:24:44,300
-No.
-It all looks really, really bad.

572
00:24:46,734 --> 00:24:48,500
[narrator]
Are you being sued?

573
00:24:48,567 --> 00:24:51,700
Let Tribunal Justice decide your case.

574
00:24:51,767 --> 00:24:54,033
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575
00:24:55,233 --> 00:24:58,133
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