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So we were walking

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and I saw three dogs that were loose.

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[announcer] Now on Tribunal Justice.

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I mean, we put--picked up my dog

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and they attacked both of us.

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They had pretty much
ripped his body to shreds.

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[sobbing] They wouldn't stop.

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I dropped to my knees and I just cried.

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I said, "They're killing him."

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That's on you.

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You did that.

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I don't think once you've told her
directly to her face that you were sorry.

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I mean, you're drilling me over here.

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They murdered another dog.

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["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]

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[announcer] Today's case was filed
in Galveston, Texas.

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[Byrd] Your Honor,
this is case number 2084 on the calendar

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in the matter of Wilcox versus Ginn, Jr.

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- Thank you, Byrd.
- You're welcome, Judge.

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Parties have been sworn in.

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You may be seated.

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Ms. Wilcox, you are suing
the defendant for $10,000

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for injuries and damages

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that you maintain you sustained
as a result of a dog attack.

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Your dog, Gumbo,

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was a one-year old Yorkie,

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and Gumbo unfortunately had to be put down

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as a result of the attack.

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Let's see a picture of Gumbo.

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That was Gumbo.

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Very sorry for your loss.

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Thank you.

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[Judge Acker] Mr. Ginn, you maintain

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that you do not owe
the plaintiff anything.

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In fact, you say
that as a result of what happened,

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you yourself lost two dogs,
Dotty and Mack.

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Let's see the pictures
of Dotty and Mack, please?

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Uh, you deny liability
because you maintain that the dogs

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had to be put down
as a result of this attack?

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- Correct.
- The attack took place on September 13th.

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You were walking Gumbo.

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- Was Gumbo on a leash?
- Yes, Your Honor, he was.

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[Judge Acker] Tell us what happened.

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Um, on that date, I normally walk Gumbo
around 6:30, um, every day.

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So we were walking, I was about
maybe two blocks from my neighborhood.

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So I was walking up that street
headed back home,

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and I saw three dogs that were at loose.

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Nobody was watching them.

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So I switched sides of the street twice.

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Um, at that time,
they did go up to my neighbor,

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so I have Melissa here,
um, they went up to her

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and when I saw them go up to her,
I immediately put--picked up my dog,

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he was still on a leash and on a harness,

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and that's when they came
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and they attacked both of us.

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[Judge Acker] Why don't you take a minute?
May I hear from your witness?

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Could you just please state
your name for the record?

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Melissa Wilson.

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[Judge Acker] You are the defendant's
next door neighbor?

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Correct. I've lived next door since 2021.

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- Do you know the plaintiff?
- [Melissa] Yes.

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Cierra and I actually met
the day Gumbo was attacked.

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That was the first time we met.

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Since then, we have kept in touch
as casual acquaintances and...

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Where do you live
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So we live about two blocks apart

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and I live in one subdivision,

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she lives in the newer part.

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Uh, according to Ms. Wilcox's complaint,

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the three dogs that were loose

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had actually approached you first?

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- Correct.
- [Judge Acker] Now what did you witness

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on September 13th?

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So on September 13th,
I was returning from open house

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for my daughter's high school.

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Um, my son had actually called

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shortly before I got home to let me know

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that, "Hey, the neighbor's dogs are loose.

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Make sure that there was no chance
that our dogs would get out."

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I had four dogs.

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the dogs approached me,

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I started talking to them to try
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Um, I saw Cierra coming down
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I did yell to Cierra to pick up Gumbo,
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At that point,
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and grabbed Gumbo out of her arms.

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- And can I continue, Judge?
- [Judge Acker] Please.

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Um, so I was able to get him

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and they pulled him out of my arms,
two separate times.

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After the second grab,
I was unable to get him.

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They had pretty much ripped
his body to shreds.

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His intestines
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And there was nothing I could do,
so I tried to reach in,

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I had fell to my knees and at that time,
I was actually bitten on my hand.

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So now I have a scar
that is always gonna be there.

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Excuse me.

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Uh, so I tried to punch and kick the dogs
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to get them off of my dog.

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They wouldn't stop.

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I dropped to my knees and I just cried.

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I said, "They're killing him."

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Um, at that time,
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they were by, so it was one guy
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her husband came out,

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and they had to physically get on top
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to stop them from attacking,

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even after he--his intestines
was on the ground, they were still going.

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At any point during the attack,
did you encounter the defendant?

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No. I had never met him.

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This is my first time today
actually seeing him in person.

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[Judge Acker]
So your neighbors were able to intervene,

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you got Gumbo to the vet,

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and Gumbo sadly had to be put down.

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[Cierra] Yes, Your Honor.

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[Judge Acker] And Mr. Ginn,

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the three dogs that were running loose
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- Yes, ma'am.
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it bears noting that you did have

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some way of securing your home,

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so as to keep the dogs inside, correct?

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Can we see the picture, uh, exhibit five?

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Doors are locked,

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you've got three dogs,

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two children, and they're both autistic?

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- These--are both nonverbal?
- Yeah, the--my oldest is--

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uh, my stepson, he's nonverbal.

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about why the dogs got out.

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Uh, you were giving one kid a bath.

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- The other child gets away from you?
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and I turn around and then all of a sudden
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that door with the key open,

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and I started running through the house
looking for my son automatically.

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And then I get a knock at the door,
my neighbor was like,

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"Hey, your dog just killed her dog,
unfortunately."

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And so she was already gone at the scene.

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[Judge Acker] All right.

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So who was the child who was ultimately
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- My son.
- How old is he?

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Uh, he's seven now,
but he was, uh, five at the time.

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How did he open the door?

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Do you have like
a push button garage door?

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So I--my wife goes, hey, she's supposed
to be home in 10 minutes

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with the groceries,
so my--me being my mistake,

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I opened the garage up for her
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that's how the dogs got out.

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the dogs would've, uh, never gotten out.

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You'd open the door
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Yeah.

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is that the dogs followed him outside

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because they were being protective of him.

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Yes, ma'am.

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[Judge Acker] Um, Dotty and Mack
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They didn't have to.
I still went in front of the judge

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and, uh, he said once the dog
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you never know how they're gonna act.

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So I voluntarily have them euthanized.

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[Judge Acker]
You decided to put them down.

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Yes, ma'am.

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[Judge Acker]
But you described that as damages to you,

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that offset whatever damage she endured.

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Do I understand your defense?

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Yes, ma'am.

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The only way that really works
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is if you can show
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Then you could say,
"Look, uh, I was negligent,

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she was negligent.

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Everybody lost here."

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There's no evidence of that.

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I mean, you weren't present
during the attack, correct?

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[Judge Acker] So you have no basis
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you know, Gumbo was on leash, off leash,

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you have no idea what was happening.

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[Judge Acker] And as sad as it is

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to have to euthanize two animals,
that's on you.

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- You did that.
- Yes, ma'am.

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To blame your son and try to absolve
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to me, I find very troubling.

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And it doesn't really show,

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I think, your remorse here.

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Cierra Wilcox is suing James Ginn, Jr.

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for $10,000

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after his pit bulls attacked her
and her Yorkie Gumbo.

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Cierra says Gumbo was ripped away from her

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and torn open by his dogs
who were roaming freely.

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James says he's put his dogs down,
so they're even.

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You do also seem to falter

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for not coming to you
to try to resolve this issue.

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Because I didn't know where she lived,
but I knew that they were friends,

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so I was, in my head,
thinking maybe she'll stop by

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because I wanted to work it
outside of court without being sued.

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- [Judge Acker] She didn't come to you...
- [James] Right.

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[Judge Acker] ... but you did know
that she knew your next door neighbor.

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[James] But the day of the incident,

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she came over screaming at me afterwards,

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cussing at me, and I kept saying,
"I'm so sorry, ma'am. I'm so sorry."

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And so I was already nervous about going
back over to my next door neighbor.

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But you knew that the plaintiff's dog
had been killed by your dogs?

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Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.

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I guess nervous
about having to ask her friend,

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uh, how to get ahold of her.

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[Judge Acker] How long after the incident

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did you end up putting down,
uh, Dotty and Mack?

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The very next day.

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Uh, it's a very sad case all around.

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- Judge DiMango?
- [Judge DiMango] Uh, Mr. Ginn,

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you didn't wanna go to the witness' home

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to find out where the plaintiff lived,

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to find out if her dog was okay,

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because you were, what,
afraid she was gonna bite you?

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Really? You're a man.

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You could've gone
right across the street and said,

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"How is your friend?" From a distance.

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- But you didn't do that, did you?
- No, ma'am.

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[Judge DiMango] Have your dogs
ever bit any dog or anyone else?

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No, ma'am.

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- [Judge DiMango] Never?
- [James] Never.

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[Judge DiMango]
How long have you had your dogs?

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[James] Uh, Dotty, almost three years.

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Mack, two-and-a-half years.

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And Nova, eight months.

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Nova, is that the dog that ran away
and you never got back?

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Yeah. Yeah, we couldn't find her.

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[Judge DiMango] Never could find Nova?

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No, because I guess when the incident
happened, she took off,

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like, the type of dog that she is, uh...

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[Judge DiMango] What kind of dog was she?

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American Bully.

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I'm pretty positive somebody picked her up

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because she's an expensive dog, so...

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[Judge DiMango] Okay.
I mean, that's a possibility.

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But let's look at your negligence

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to see whether or not
we could hold you responsible.

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And I do wanna tell you that in Texas,

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you could be criminally responsible.

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- Do you know that, Ms. Wilcox?
- Yes, Judge.

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I actually did reach out to an attorney
to talk about the case,

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but it was--they said
because I wasn't injured enough

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that it wouldn't be a good case to have.

250
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Yeah, because in order
to hold him criminally responsible,

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you, not the dogs, but you would have
to have sustained serious physical injury.

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Can we put up a picture of Ms. Wilcox's
injuries and that would be 02?

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And I know what you meant before,

254
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the scar is not so much that it's a scar,

255
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it's just that it's a reminder
every day of what happened here.

256
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So those were the injuries.

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So under the law, he couldn't be found
criminally responsible

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since you did not sustain
serious physical injury.

259
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Correct.

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[Judge DiMango] Um, so I do wanna go back.

261
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Now you say that you had
both of your children

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in the bathroom while you were giving

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the older boy a shower.

264
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- Is that correct?
- Yes, ma'am.

265
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He's in there with you?

266
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At some point,
you get a call from your wife

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saying, "Hey, I'm coming home
from the store in 10 minutes.

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Unlock the garage." Correct?

269
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This is before the showers,

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that she called me
and said, "I'm gonna be home.

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Can you open the garage door
so I can carry groceries in?"

272
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So you go at that point
and you open it for her.

273
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Now from the garage
into your home is another door.

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The one on the far right, the white door?

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[James] Yes, ma'am.

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[Judge DiMango]
And that door has a lock on it, correct?

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- [James] Yes, ma'am.
- [Judge DiMango] With a key?

278
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- [James] Yes, ma'am.
- [Judge DiMango] Did you lock that door?

279
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- Yes, ma'am, I did.
- [Judge DiMango] No, you didn't.

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You know why you didn't?

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Because that would defeat the whole
purpose of you opening up the door

282
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so she could get in with the groceries.

283
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Okay.

284
00:12:05,133 --> 00:12:07,700
So now you are still in the shower,

285
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your son is missing.

286
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By the time you get to the outside,

287
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she's gone according to you.

288
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So all of this time,

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you're telling me
you can't find a five-year-old?

290
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How many rooms do you have in your house?

291
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He was actually right
in the neighbor's driveway playing.

292
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[Judge DiMango] That's my point.

293
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This took a long time
before you took any action.

294
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He walks out, he's outside, he's playing.

295
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Your dogs are roaming the street.

296
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To me, that's pretty gross negligence.

297
00:12:35,066 --> 00:12:36,834
This is not, "Oh, my God.

298
00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:40,033
All of this transpired
in a matter of seconds or minutes."

299
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This is over a 15-minute time period.

300
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You know that.

301
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But to blame your son and try to absolve
yourself of responsibility,

302
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to me, I find very troubling.

303
00:12:49,967 --> 00:12:51,667
And it doesn't really show,

304
00:12:51,734 --> 00:12:54,000
- I think your remorse here.
- Oh, okay.

305
00:12:54,066 --> 00:12:57,266
Because I don't think once you've told her
directly to her face that you were sorry.

306
00:12:57,967 --> 00:12:58,967
Have you?

307
00:12:59,033 --> 00:13:00,133
Well, as in today?

308
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,433
No, I haven't.

309
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Don't you think you should?

310
00:13:02,767 --> 00:13:04,166
Yes, ma'am. I'm sorry.

311
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[Judge DiMango] That's it?

312
00:13:06,033 --> 00:13:07,700
I mean, you're drilling me over here.

313
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[Judge DiMango] I am drilling you

314
00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,567
because it's an upsetting situation
and you had...

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- [James] I know it is.
- ... a responsibility here.

316
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- [James] I know.
- And the fact that you had

317
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to put your dogs down is it's sad, yes,

318
00:13:15,867 --> 00:13:19,166
but the bottom line is here,
they murdered another dog.

319
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[Judge Acker] Judge Levy.

320
00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,066
We haven't heard anything about damages.

321
00:13:23,133 --> 00:13:25,333
You're suing for $10,000, ma'am?

322
00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,400
Yes, Judge.

323
00:13:26,467 --> 00:13:28,300
[Judge Levy]
So tell me about those damages.

324
00:13:28,367 --> 00:13:31,867
So I did, um, have to pay a vet bill

325
00:13:31,934 --> 00:13:35,266
when Gumbo went in,
it was about 300--about $400.

326
00:13:35,333 --> 00:13:37,934
And you provided those to us
before you came in today, did you not?

327
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,000
Yes, I did, Judge.

328
00:13:39,066 --> 00:13:41,367
[Judge Levy]
So we have $400 for the vet bill

329
00:13:41,433 --> 00:13:43,767
to put his intestines back in
because he was still alive.

330
00:13:43,834 --> 00:13:44,834
[Cierra] Right.

331
00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:47,533
Um, I also went to the ER on my own also.

332
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I had to, uh, get stitched

333
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and have x-rays done on my hand

334
00:13:52,633 --> 00:13:54,500
and on my arm as well

335
00:13:54,567 --> 00:13:56,333
to make sure I didn't have any fractures,

336
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any injuries like that.

337
00:13:57,767 --> 00:13:58,867
How much were those bills?

338
00:13:58,934 --> 00:14:01,266
Um, I don't have the price on those,
Judge.

339
00:14:01,333 --> 00:14:03,800
- [Judge Levy] Why not?
- Uh, so I am active duty military,

340
00:14:03,867 --> 00:14:05,900
so I lot of my insurance
is taken care of that way.

341
00:14:05,967 --> 00:14:06,967
Okay.

342
00:14:07,033 --> 00:14:11,600
Um, I also had to pay for therapy,

343
00:14:11,667 --> 00:14:14,133
so that's something that I did
for about a year.

344
00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,467
Um, I started going to therapy
like two months after the incident.

345
00:14:17,533 --> 00:14:19,900
Um, I also had to pay a pet care.

346
00:14:19,967 --> 00:14:22,500
So I normally--the pet care you start it

347
00:14:22,567 --> 00:14:24,667
when you go in like on a January,

348
00:14:24,734 --> 00:14:26,767
but you have to pay for a whole year.

349
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I called the very next day and said,

350
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"Hey, you know, my dog is no longer here."

351
00:14:30,333 --> 00:14:32,834
And they said, "Well, ma'am,
you're still gonna have to pay the fee

352
00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:34,266
that you owe."
So that was about 600 bucks.

353
00:14:34,333 --> 00:14:35,633
Yeah. Sorry about your loss.

354
00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:38,066
But now not only is your dog dead,

355
00:14:38,133 --> 00:14:41,934
but you have to pay
the remaining amount owed

356
00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,967
on that pet care insurance.

357
00:14:44,033 --> 00:14:45,100
- Yes, Your Honor.
- [Judge Levy] Right.

358
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The company with a heart. Got it.

359
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That was about $600 left
that I had to pay.

360
00:14:49,367 --> 00:14:51,300
[Judge Levy] Yup. And you gave us records
on that as well, did you not?

361
00:14:51,367 --> 00:14:52,400
Yes, Your Honor.

362
00:14:52,467 --> 00:14:53,967
How much did Gumbo cost?

363
00:14:54,033 --> 00:14:56,100
- [Cierra] Uh, he was $500.
- [Judge Levy] Okay.

364
00:14:56,165 --> 00:14:57,600
[Cierra] So I have that listed as well.

365
00:14:57,667 --> 00:14:59,033
[Judge Levy] Yup, we have that.

366
00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:00,800
- What else?
- Uh, emotional distress,

367
00:15:00,867 --> 00:15:04,033
so it's not really amount that I could put

368
00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:05,567
on what I've been through

369
00:15:05,633 --> 00:15:08,300
and I can't even--every time I go home,

370
00:15:08,367 --> 00:15:09,533
I have to pass by his house.

371
00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,700
So the memory comes up
every time I go home.

372
00:15:13,767 --> 00:15:15,800
I barely get sleep now.

373
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Sometimes I just go into a blank stare

374
00:15:19,367 --> 00:15:23,400
and it's just my mind
remembering everything that happened,

375
00:15:23,467 --> 00:15:24,467
what I could have done.

376
00:15:24,533 --> 00:15:26,967
Maybe if I turned to another sidewalk

377
00:15:27,033 --> 00:15:28,066
then it would've been different.

378
00:15:28,133 --> 00:15:29,700
But it's nothing I can do now.

379
00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:34,900
Essentially after this happened,
I was looking to sell my house

380
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and get out of the neighborhood
because I just couldn't endure

381
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having to pass by their house

382
00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,567
and just get frustrated every time

383
00:15:42,633 --> 00:15:43,967
because like he said,

384
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I had yet to hear from him
any apology or anything like that.

385
00:15:47,433 --> 00:15:49,133
[Judge Levy] Well, hold on.

386
00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,500
Ms. Wilcox, what he said
was that--and I wrote it down

387
00:15:52,567 --> 00:15:54,800
that he wanted to work it out.

388
00:15:54,867 --> 00:15:56,367
That's what you told Judge Acker, right?

389
00:15:56,433 --> 00:15:57,433
Yes, sir.

390
00:15:57,500 --> 00:15:58,967
But you didn't know where she lived.

391
00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:01,300
- Yes, sir.
- [Judge Levy] Really?

392
00:16:01,367 --> 00:16:02,967
You couldn't think of any way

393
00:16:03,033 --> 00:16:05,233
besides going to the witness's house

394
00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:08,233
to figure out where Ms. Wilcox lived?

395
00:16:09,867 --> 00:16:12,367
[announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice.

396
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You come to court really with no defense.

397
00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:18,100
You came to court
pointing the finger at the victim.

398
00:16:18,166 --> 00:16:19,500
How do you feel about having done that?

399
00:16:19,567 --> 00:16:21,000
[dramatic musical sting]

400
00:16:22,934 --> 00:16:24,700
[theme music plays]

401
00:16:24,767 --> 00:16:26,834
[announcer]
Cierra Wilcox and her Yorkie Gumbo

402
00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:30,467
were viciously attacked
by pit bulls while on a walk.

403
00:16:30,533 --> 00:16:33,333
Cierra is suing the dogs' owner
James Ginn, Jr.

404
00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,033
for bills and therapy.

405
00:16:35,633 --> 00:16:39,165
James says his dogs
were just protecting his autistic son

406
00:16:39,233 --> 00:16:43,333
and that he's lost all of his dogs
due to this tragic event.

407
00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,000
You couldn't think of any way

408
00:16:45,066 --> 00:16:47,600
besides going to the witness's house

409
00:16:47,667 --> 00:16:50,533
to figure out where Ms. Wilcox lived?

410
00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,600
No, sir.

411
00:16:51,667 --> 00:16:52,667
[Judge Levy] Really?
Couldn't think of that?

412
00:16:52,734 --> 00:16:56,300
And you said, ma'am, before, Ms. Wilcox,
that you tried to hire a lawyer.

413
00:16:56,367 --> 00:16:59,033
- Yes, Your Honor.
- But you said that you couldn’t find one

414
00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:00,867
in all of Texas

415
00:17:00,934 --> 00:17:03,000
because you weren't badly injured enough.

416
00:17:03,066 --> 00:17:04,700
- Right.
- The lawyer said,

417
00:17:04,767 --> 00:17:07,200
"Eh, you know, it's not worth my time."

418
00:17:07,266 --> 00:17:08,467
- Right?
- Yes, Your Honor.

419
00:17:08,532 --> 00:17:09,967
And you knew that, didn't you?

420
00:17:10,032 --> 00:17:11,633
- No.
- [Judge Levy] Yes, you did.

421
00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:13,200
- Okay.
- [Judge Levy] Of course you did.

422
00:17:13,266 --> 00:17:15,233
Because you said in your answer

423
00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:17,433
that in March of 2023,

424
00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:20,467
I started receiving letters
from plaintiff's attorney.

425
00:17:20,532 --> 00:17:21,700
Because you hired an attorney

426
00:17:21,767 --> 00:17:23,567
and they agreed to represent you,

427
00:17:23,633 --> 00:17:26,233
but not by filing a case
by trying to get him to give up money

428
00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:28,500
and they would take a third
of whatever they got out of him, right?

429
00:17:28,567 --> 00:17:29,567
- Right.
- [Judge Levy] Yeah.

430
00:17:29,633 --> 00:17:33,633
But what happened when you got
those letters in March of 2023?

431
00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:36,000
They had me contact
our insurance adjuster.

432
00:17:36,066 --> 00:17:39,333
And the insurance adjuster
went in contact with the lawyer.

433
00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,500
And then I heard nothing.

434
00:17:40,567 --> 00:17:42,400
Right. Because you were
renting your house, right?

435
00:17:42,867 --> 00:17:43,867
Renting to own. Yes.

436
00:17:43,934 --> 00:17:47,066
And you're renting your home
and you have insurance for your stuff.

437
00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:49,767
So you have homeowner's insurance, right?

438
00:17:49,834 --> 00:17:53,400
If your roof leaks
and it ruins your couch, you get money.

439
00:17:53,467 --> 00:17:56,300
But instead of being
the responsible pet owner, right,

440
00:17:56,367 --> 00:17:58,333
to have insurance for your dogs

441
00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,867
in case they get out
and kill another animal,

442
00:18:00,934 --> 00:18:02,100
bite another person,

443
00:18:02,166 --> 00:18:04,066
that you choose not to pay for.

444
00:18:04,133 --> 00:18:06,767
And that's the reason why
there was no insurance coverage

445
00:18:06,834 --> 00:18:09,166
for the plaintiff or her dog, right?

446
00:18:10,900 --> 00:18:11,900
Yeah, exactly.

447
00:18:11,967 --> 00:18:13,500
Because you chose not to pay

448
00:18:13,567 --> 00:18:15,967
the extra $14 a year in a premium

449
00:18:16,033 --> 00:18:17,266
it would've cost for that.

450
00:18:17,333 --> 00:18:19,000
That sounds like a good way to spend

451
00:18:19,066 --> 00:18:21,533
14 extra dollars for pet insurance...

452
00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:22,600
- [James] Correct.
- [Judge Levy] ... doesn't it?

453
00:18:23,266 --> 00:18:24,266
You're right.

454
00:18:24,333 --> 00:18:26,100
So you have no excuse.

455
00:18:26,166 --> 00:18:27,200
No, sir.

456
00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:28,266
[Judge Levy] I have nothing further.

457
00:18:28,333 --> 00:18:31,433
[Judge Acker] Ms. Wilcox,
Judge Levy went over your damages,

458
00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:32,500
but just so we're clear,

459
00:18:32,567 --> 00:18:34,934
the largest component of your claim,

460
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,367
$8,324 for emotional distress.

461
00:18:39,433 --> 00:18:43,500
I think that you gave pretty detailed
testimony to Judge Levy

462
00:18:43,567 --> 00:18:46,500
about why you're suing for that amount.

463
00:18:46,567 --> 00:18:49,467
Uh, Mr. Ginn, you are the defendant here.

464
00:18:49,533 --> 00:18:51,867
You've come to court
really with no defense.

465
00:18:51,934 --> 00:18:55,400
You came to court
pointing the finger at the victim.

466
00:18:55,467 --> 00:18:56,934
How do you feel about having done that?

467
00:18:59,667 --> 00:19:01,000
Not very good.

468
00:19:01,066 --> 00:19:02,367
[Judge Acker] Not very good.

469
00:19:02,433 --> 00:19:03,734
I don't have anything further.

470
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,600
Then we're gonna retire to deliberate
and you can resume your seat.

471
00:19:06,667 --> 00:19:08,734
[Byrd] The court now stands in recess.

472
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:09,967
This case will be recalled.

473
00:19:10,033 --> 00:19:11,233
Parties are excused.

474
00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:14,300
[dramatic musical sting]

475
00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:17,667
This is the type of case
that really screams out

476
00:19:17,734 --> 00:19:18,967
for a summary judgment motion.

477
00:19:19,433 --> 00:19:22,500
Summary judgment
as, uh, you folks certainly know,

478
00:19:22,567 --> 00:19:26,400
you can assume that everything
the other side says is true.

479
00:19:26,467 --> 00:19:28,100
So I look at the defendant,

480
00:19:28,166 --> 00:19:30,500
I assume everything that he says is true.

481
00:19:30,567 --> 00:19:31,567
Um, you know what?

482
00:19:31,633 --> 00:19:34,033
He just opened the door to let the wife in

483
00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:37,266
or I assume everything
that he says is true

484
00:19:37,333 --> 00:19:38,834
and he still loses

485
00:19:38,900 --> 00:19:41,433
because there's no doubt that, one,

486
00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:43,867
either he knew the dogs were dangerous

487
00:19:43,934 --> 00:19:46,567
and he's, uh, strictly liable for them.

488
00:19:46,633 --> 00:19:50,066
Or two, he was absolutely
grossly negligent.

489
00:19:50,133 --> 00:19:53,166
His kid gets out, the dogs get out,

490
00:19:53,233 --> 00:19:54,834
the dogs kill the plaintiff's dog.

491
00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:56,900
I mean, there's no way to avoid liability.

492
00:19:56,967 --> 00:19:58,800
I think she's entitled to everything.

493
00:19:58,867 --> 00:20:01,333
It's an easy $10,000 verdict
from my standpoint.

494
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,867
And interestingly in Texas, you know,

495
00:20:02,934 --> 00:20:05,266
the maximum is 20,000
at small claims court.

496
00:20:05,333 --> 00:20:07,266
It's not even 10,000.
So she really wasn't greedy.

497
00:20:07,333 --> 00:20:09,166
But our court maximum is 10,000.

498
00:20:09,233 --> 00:20:11,867
And I believe he left the doors open

499
00:20:11,934 --> 00:20:14,567
and that's why
the child walked out that way.

500
00:20:14,633 --> 00:20:16,900
What he did
was gross negligence in my view.

501
00:20:16,967 --> 00:20:18,533
Under those circumstances,

502
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,300
she clearly sustained emotional distress.

503
00:20:22,367 --> 00:20:24,200
And normally it wouldn't be easy for me,

504
00:20:24,266 --> 00:20:27,166
but just the description of it
was giving me emotional distress

505
00:20:27,233 --> 00:20:30,400
and all the other she's demonstrated
by proof in our records,

506
00:20:30,467 --> 00:20:32,533
she is entitled to the balance 10,000.

507
00:20:33,467 --> 00:20:34,467
- Easy.
- [Judge Acker] Uh-huh.

508
00:20:34,533 --> 00:20:36,633
Can you imagine--just stop for a second

509
00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:39,433
and just put yourself in her position

510
00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:40,734
when this incident happened.

511
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,000
She picks up her dog.

512
00:20:42,066 --> 00:20:46,000
She's afraid that she or her little dog
will be attacked

513
00:20:46,066 --> 00:20:49,633
and then they start coming at her
that whole time.

514
00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:51,233
And then they're on her.

515
00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:54,867
And then one of them grabs the dog
right out of her arms,

516
00:20:54,934 --> 00:20:57,800
gets it to the ground,
and starts chewing on it.

517
00:20:57,867 --> 00:21:01,233
She's fighting and the other dogs
are all joining in

518
00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:05,834
and she then is able to get the dog
back in her arms to protect Gumbo.

519
00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:08,233
And then another one of the dogs,
if not the same dog,

520
00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:09,834
grabs it again and then just splits it...

521
00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:11,700
- Knocks her down.
- Knocks her down.

522
00:21:11,767 --> 00:21:13,867
And then that's how she did get bit
on her hand by the other dog.

523
00:21:13,934 --> 00:21:15,800
She doesn't know
whether she's gonna get mauled.

524
00:21:15,867 --> 00:21:19,633
All she knows is that she sees her dog
with his intestines out

525
00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:22,967
lying in the street.
$8,300 bucks in emotional distress,

526
00:21:23,033 --> 00:21:24,033
every day of the week.

527
00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:25,900
Twice on Sunday. He's got to pay it.

528
00:21:25,967 --> 00:21:27,533
The whole thing 10 grand.

529
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,433
- All right then. We're unanimous.
- All right.

530
00:21:30,433 --> 00:21:33,834
- Vigorously unanimous.
- Vigorously unanimous.

531
00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:37,166
[dramatic musical sting]

532
00:21:37,233 --> 00:21:38,600
[Byrd] Court is back in session.

533
00:21:38,667 --> 00:21:40,633
Parties are reminded
you're still under oath.

534
00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:42,133
- [Judge Acker] Thank you, Byrd.
- [Byrd] Uh-hmm.

535
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,467
We've deliberated and we've reached
a unanimous verdict.

536
00:21:45,533 --> 00:21:48,433
I mean, sir, you have no legal defense.

537
00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:50,767
We are quite unanimous in our verdict.

538
00:21:50,834 --> 00:21:53,533
The plaintiff is entitled to every dime.

539
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,233
And I'll note again
that the big part of this verdict

540
00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:58,734
is the $8,300 in emotional distress.

541
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,667
We would've given you more if we could

542
00:22:00,734 --> 00:22:02,700
because nobody should have
to live through that.

543
00:22:02,767 --> 00:22:05,367
Nobody should have to see
their dog killed in front of them

544
00:22:05,433 --> 00:22:07,467
and then scooping up intestines
on the sidewalk.

545
00:22:08,166 --> 00:22:10,433
The least you owe her is an apology.

546
00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:12,867
But we're gonna order you
to pay her the $10,000.

547
00:22:12,934 --> 00:22:14,266
That's the verdict of the court.

548
00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,233
Good luck to you and, uh, be well.

549
00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:17,400
Try to take care of yourself.

550
00:22:17,467 --> 00:22:18,633
- [gavel bangs]
- Thank you, Your Honor.

551
00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:20,133
[Byrd] This case has concluded.

552
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,100
Parties are excused. You may step out.

553
00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:24,500
[theme music plays]

554
00:22:24,567 --> 00:22:25,567
Affected everybody.

555
00:22:25,633 --> 00:22:27,934
The whole--the whole event
is a--is a tragedy.

556
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,367
I think more therapy is gonna be
a big thing that I'm gonna be able to do.

557
00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:35,934
I didn't realize that it, um, caused her
so much emotional pain for that.

558
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,233
I really am sorry,
whether she believes it or not.

559
00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:41,500
I do. I'm glad I can see
some type of, um, accountability held,

560
00:22:41,567 --> 00:22:43,100
so I do accept his apology now.

561
00:22:43,166 --> 00:22:44,433
I'm just sorry it ever happened.

562
00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:47,533
Nobody deserves to have that happen
to their dog or to them.

563
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,266
I'm probably not gonna have dogs anymore.

564
00:22:49,734 --> 00:22:51,133
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565
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00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:01,900
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