1 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:09,700 You own and operate a licensed childcare program. 2 00:00:09,767 --> 00:00:10,900 Yes. 3 00:00:10,967 --> 00:00:12,867 You decided to say, "Hey, screw you. 4 00:00:12,934 --> 00:00:16,734 I don't care that the workers who take care of my child don't get paid." 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,367 Who does that? 6 00:00:18,433 --> 00:00:19,633 I knew the money was owed. 7 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:22,600 This is my livelihood. This is how I live. 8 00:00:22,667 --> 00:00:24,133 No. Enough of that. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,633 You are irresponsible, entitled, and ungrateful. 10 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:28,767 That's what you are. 11 00:00:28,834 --> 00:00:32,000 [announcer] Now, on Tribunal Justice. 12 00:00:32,066 --> 00:00:35,600 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays] 13 00:00:53,433 --> 00:00:57,100 [announcer] Today's case was filed in Los Angeles, California. 14 00:00:57,166 --> 00:00:59,800 Your Honor, this is case number 2069, 15 00:00:59,867 --> 00:01:03,967 Little Precious One's Family Childcare versus McJimson. 16 00:01:04,033 --> 00:01:05,400 You guys may be seated. 17 00:01:05,467 --> 00:01:07,066 - [Judge Levy] Thank you, Cassandra. - [Cassandra] You're welcome. 18 00:01:07,133 --> 00:01:08,734 - [Judge Levy] All right. Mr. Harris... - Yes. 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,934 ... you own and operate a licensed childcare program in LA? 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Yes. I've been owning it since 2020. 21 00:01:16,066 --> 00:01:20,100 All right. And the defendant's daughter attended your daycare 22 00:01:20,166 --> 00:01:21,800 - for about a year? - Yes. 23 00:01:21,867 --> 00:01:24,333 [Judge Levy] You're suing her for late fees, 24 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,734 for her failure to provide the two weeks' notice of termination, 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,367 the balance owed of September. 26 00:01:29,433 --> 00:01:31,000 And the total amount that you're suing her for 27 00:01:31,066 --> 00:01:33,900 - is $1,480. - Correct. Correct. 28 00:01:33,967 --> 00:01:36,400 - [Judge Levy] Okay. Now, Ms. McJimson... - Yes. 29 00:01:36,467 --> 00:01:40,200 [Judge Levy] ... according to your answer, you say that she's already been paid 30 00:01:40,265 --> 00:01:42,300 by the child's assistance program 31 00:01:42,366 --> 00:01:46,400 and that the penalty for the late notice should be waived 32 00:01:46,467 --> 00:01:49,866 because she caused you to lose your job 33 00:01:49,934 --> 00:01:52,000 as a result of being unreasonable 34 00:01:52,066 --> 00:01:54,967 with respect to your request to keep the child 35 00:01:55,033 --> 00:01:56,934 - and things of that nature. - Correct. 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,567 So, Ms. Harris, let's start. 37 00:01:58,633 --> 00:01:59,866 You said that since 2020, 38 00:01:59,934 --> 00:02:01,834 - you've been running that business? - [Kelly] Yes, sir. 39 00:02:01,900 --> 00:02:03,333 - Licensed? - Yes, sir. 40 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,667 [Judge Levy] And number employees that were working for you 41 00:02:05,734 --> 00:02:07,567 in August of 2023? 42 00:02:07,633 --> 00:02:10,400 Three. Including myself, it would be four. 43 00:02:10,467 --> 00:02:14,567 Okay. And the contract that she signed 44 00:02:14,633 --> 00:02:17,433 provided for fees, fines, 45 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:22,166 and penalties for late payments and failure to give two weeks' notice 46 00:02:22,233 --> 00:02:23,700 - before taking the child out. - [Kelly] Correct. 47 00:02:23,767 --> 00:02:24,800 Correct. 48 00:02:24,867 --> 00:02:28,667 [Judge Levy] At the end of each month, you put together a timesheet. 49 00:02:28,734 --> 00:02:32,633 Kinda. She--when she brings her daughter on a daily basis, 50 00:02:32,700 --> 00:02:35,466 she signs in a code on the iPad. 51 00:02:35,533 --> 00:02:38,500 That code dictates what time the child was there. 52 00:02:38,567 --> 00:02:41,734 When she pick up the baby, she signs the baby out, 53 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,133 and that code dictate when the baby went home. 54 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,700 At the end of the month, I review it. 55 00:02:46,767 --> 00:02:49,834 I put my fees on there. I sign it electronically. 56 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:53,066 And then it automatically goes to her, electronically, 57 00:02:53,133 --> 00:02:54,166 and she signs it. 58 00:02:54,233 --> 00:02:55,834 So there could be no claim 59 00:02:55,900 --> 00:03:00,400 that the hours, the times, the days were in any way manufactured, 60 00:03:00,467 --> 00:03:01,834 - exaggerated by you? - [Kelly] Correct. 61 00:03:02,233 --> 00:03:04,400 [Judge Levy] And that sheet is then turned in by you 62 00:03:04,467 --> 00:03:06,467 to the childcare assistance program 63 00:03:06,533 --> 00:03:08,333 - and that's how you get paid. - Correct. 64 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:09,533 - [Judge Levy] Is that right, ma'am? - [Daejhah] Yes. 65 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,133 [Judge Levy] Okay. There was a breakdown in your relationship. 66 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:13,967 And as a result of that breakdown, 67 00:03:14,033 --> 00:03:16,000 the defendant, according to your complaint, 68 00:03:16,066 --> 00:03:17,734 refused to sign off 69 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,367 on that attendance sheet that you sent to her, 70 00:03:20,433 --> 00:03:22,934 - and as a result, you didn't get paid. - Right. 71 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,633 The contract that we're talking about 72 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:27,734 that you are seeking to hold the defendant accountable for, 73 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,133 - have you seen a copy of that, ma'am? - No. 74 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,200 Okay. So you provided us with all the documents 75 00:03:33,266 --> 00:03:34,800 that you claim support your case. 76 00:03:34,867 --> 00:03:36,400 - Ma'am, you did the same. - Yes. 77 00:03:36,466 --> 00:03:38,500 You didn't have a copy of that. Take a look at that. 78 00:03:38,567 --> 00:03:39,667 You see the bottom of that? 79 00:03:39,734 --> 00:03:41,200 - Those your initials? - [Daejhah] Yes. 80 00:03:41,266 --> 00:03:42,700 [Judge Levy] Okay. I'll take that back. 81 00:03:43,166 --> 00:03:48,166 [Kelly] So Daejhah refused to sign the electronic timesheet 82 00:03:48,233 --> 00:03:49,500 on multiple occasions, 83 00:03:49,567 --> 00:03:52,367 which caused the payment to be 95 days late. 84 00:03:52,433 --> 00:03:56,000 She only signed the payment when she got served the court documents. 85 00:03:56,066 --> 00:03:57,867 And when she say that it's inflated, 86 00:03:57,934 --> 00:04:01,266 in my contract, it says when the fees are late, 87 00:04:01,333 --> 00:04:05,033 it's--the very first day it's late, it's a $25 late fee. 88 00:04:05,100 --> 00:04:10,200 And then if it's not paid the day after, it's a $10 late fee per day 89 00:04:10,266 --> 00:04:11,333 that you don't sign. 90 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,100 It was 95 days before that money went into my account. 91 00:04:15,166 --> 00:04:17,834 I don't recall or remember 92 00:04:17,899 --> 00:04:20,065 as far as me having to pay out of pocket or late fees 93 00:04:20,132 --> 00:04:23,066 only because I'm through a single moms development, 94 00:04:23,133 --> 00:04:25,000 so the county pays her. 95 00:04:25,066 --> 00:04:27,033 [Judge Levy] Right. So your statement is even if you were late, 96 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:31,233 it's your understanding from the contract that that was not your responsibility. 97 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:33,900 That was the subsidized program's responsibility. 98 00:04:33,967 --> 00:04:35,367 - Correct. - [Judge Levy] Here's your problem. 99 00:04:35,433 --> 00:04:38,332 In the contract that you signed, subsidized care, 100 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,033 parent is responsible to pay 101 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:44,100 for any unauthorized hours, days, as well as all late fees. 102 00:04:44,166 --> 00:04:46,700 I chose on my own to pay that out of my pocket. 103 00:04:46,767 --> 00:04:48,367 - I could have called my worker... - [Judge Levy] Okay. 104 00:04:48,433 --> 00:04:50,066 ... and told her to pay that 105 00:04:50,467 --> 00:04:51,533 - on my behalf... - [Judge Levy] Okay. 106 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,767 ... but I didn't. I chose to pay it out of my pocket... 107 00:04:53,834 --> 00:04:54,834 - [Judge Levy] Okay. - ... out of respect 108 00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:56,367 for her nail appointment. 109 00:04:56,433 --> 00:04:58,367 - Out of respect for her nail appointment? - Yes. 110 00:04:58,433 --> 00:04:59,767 And you were doing out of the goodness 111 00:04:59,834 --> 00:05:00,900 - of your own heart? - [Daejhah] Yes. 112 00:05:00,967 --> 00:05:03,567 Right. As opposed to what the contract said you had to do 113 00:05:03,633 --> 00:05:05,734 - or you could be held responsible for it? - Correct. 114 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,266 [Judge Levy] Okay. We got it. 115 00:05:07,333 --> 00:05:09,133 - How old is your child? I'm sorry. - She's four. 116 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,166 - Four. And... - She started at two 117 00:05:11,233 --> 00:05:13,500 - and I just signed her out in September. - [Judge Levy] Okay. 118 00:05:13,567 --> 00:05:17,332 And you knew that if you refused to sign off on that sheet 119 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,834 and she wasn't gonna get paid, 120 00:05:18,900 --> 00:05:22,100 then the hardworking people who were there every day 121 00:05:22,166 --> 00:05:25,400 making sure your daughter was safe would not get paid? 122 00:05:25,467 --> 00:05:27,332 [Daejhah] No. So from my understanding, 123 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,166 the last payment of the last month that she was there, 124 00:05:30,233 --> 00:05:32,933 once I signed her out, from my thinking, I'm thinking 125 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,967 that they're just automatically gonna pay due to the transfer of the schools. 126 00:05:37,033 --> 00:05:39,767 So you're saying that there was never any request made 127 00:05:39,834 --> 00:05:42,200 by the plaintiff that you sign off on that? 128 00:05:42,266 --> 00:05:44,567 She's never called, reached out, or anything 129 00:05:44,633 --> 00:05:46,633 as far as saying that she's never been paid. 130 00:05:46,700 --> 00:05:49,233 I found out that she didn't get paid once I was served. 131 00:05:49,867 --> 00:05:51,767 - You sure about that? - Yes. 132 00:05:51,834 --> 00:05:53,500 [Kelly] No. She's telling a story. 133 00:05:53,567 --> 00:05:56,266 First of all, Daejhah is a known liar. 134 00:05:56,332 --> 00:05:57,800 - We're gonna start there. - [Judge Levy] Oh, okay. I don't wanna-- 135 00:05:57,867 --> 00:05:58,867 - I don't wanna know right now. - Okay. All right. 136 00:05:58,933 --> 00:06:00,867 So, in my paperwork, 137 00:06:00,934 --> 00:06:03,867 it shows where she looked at it and where she went out. 138 00:06:03,934 --> 00:06:07,967 It shows that she did not sign them and it shows when she signed them. 139 00:06:08,033 --> 00:06:10,533 It shows when the documents were sent to her 140 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,667 and when she looked at them. 141 00:06:11,734 --> 00:06:13,000 I don't understand what she's saying. 142 00:06:13,066 --> 00:06:15,333 [Judge Levy] So let me stop so I can kind of put this in a way 143 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,066 - that you can understand, ma'am. - [Daejhah] Uh-hmm. 144 00:06:17,133 --> 00:06:20,300 - She has computerized evidence. - Right. 145 00:06:20,367 --> 00:06:22,800 [Judge Levy] There is a computer thumbprint 146 00:06:22,867 --> 00:06:25,934 of all the times that you opened it, saw it, 147 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,133 - and therefore ignored it, okay? - Correct. 148 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,066 So do you have any other evidence that would contradict that claim? 149 00:06:32,133 --> 00:06:34,567 No. As far as her computer work, no, I do not. 150 00:06:34,633 --> 00:06:37,734 Great. So do you want to amend your prior answer 151 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,600 that you did not know that that money was owed 152 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:41,233 or that she was not getting paid as a result? 153 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:43,567 No. I knew the money the-- I knew the money was owed, 154 00:06:43,633 --> 00:06:44,933 - yes. But did I... - [Judge Levy] Okay. Great. 155 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,867 And at any time, do you remember eventually signing the document 156 00:06:49,933 --> 00:06:51,600 consistent with the plaintiff's testimony 157 00:06:51,667 --> 00:06:53,467 that the only time you signed it was when you got served 158 00:06:53,533 --> 00:06:54,767 - with the lawsuit? - Correct. 159 00:06:54,834 --> 00:06:56,400 [Judge Levy] Do you remember what you wrote down? 160 00:06:56,467 --> 00:06:57,967 - Yeah. - [Judge Levy] What did you write down? 161 00:06:58,033 --> 00:06:59,367 - See you in court. - [Judge Levy] See you in court? 162 00:06:59,433 --> 00:07:00,734 - Oh. - [Judge Levy] So, again, 163 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,066 that's the way that you ended the relationship 164 00:07:03,133 --> 00:07:05,300 with the woman who was responsible 165 00:07:05,367 --> 00:07:09,100 for the care, safety, and welfare of your child. 166 00:07:09,166 --> 00:07:10,600 I have nothing further. 167 00:07:10,667 --> 00:07:12,633 [Judge Acker] So why not sign? 168 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:14,200 Because I lost my job. 169 00:07:14,266 --> 00:07:17,433 And me being a single mom and her knowing my situation, 170 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:18,500 was I being... 171 00:07:18,567 --> 00:07:20,533 You know how many single mothers I know? 172 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:21,800 You know how many single mothers there are? 173 00:07:21,867 --> 00:07:23,000 [Daejhah] Yes. I'm here by myself. 174 00:07:23,066 --> 00:07:24,433 - You know, I don't have any family. - Well, yeah, you know what? 175 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:25,500 - I have no support. So... - [Judge Acker] I'm gonna stop you. 176 00:07:25,567 --> 00:07:28,033 I'm gonna stop you right now because I find your approach... 177 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:30,200 - Uh-hmm. - ... to your contractual obligations... 178 00:07:30,266 --> 00:07:31,967 - Uh-hmm. - ... and your cavalier attitude 179 00:07:32,033 --> 00:07:34,600 entirely disrespectful and not acceptable. 180 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:38,400 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 181 00:07:38,533 --> 00:07:40,500 Tell us the story about her dad. 182 00:07:40,567 --> 00:07:43,433 Isn't he restricted to supervised visitation at your request? 183 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:44,633 [dramatic musical sting] 184 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,166 [theme music plays] 185 00:07:48,233 --> 00:07:51,433 [announcer] Daycare owner, Kelly Harris, is suing Daejhah McJimson 186 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:55,000 for almost $1,500 in daycare services, 187 00:07:55,066 --> 00:07:59,266 but Daejhah claims Kelly was paid by a daycare assistance program. 188 00:07:59,332 --> 00:08:03,300 I wanna talk about when you were asked about paying the late fee. 189 00:08:03,367 --> 00:08:05,333 - I think it was what, $2 a minute? - Yes. 190 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,200 [Judge Acker] You said, and I wrote it down, 191 00:08:07,266 --> 00:08:08,700 "I chose to pay. 192 00:08:08,767 --> 00:08:12,867 I could have had my case worker pay but I chose to do that." 193 00:08:12,934 --> 00:08:14,667 You had an obligation to do that. 194 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:18,900 Your case worker is retained by the people of the county 195 00:08:18,967 --> 00:08:20,266 of which I am a citizen. 196 00:08:20,332 --> 00:08:23,433 So when you decide to blow off your contractual obligations, 197 00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:26,834 I am paying them and the rest of the taxpayers in the county. 198 00:08:26,900 --> 00:08:29,900 So this is not about whether or not you decide, 199 00:08:29,967 --> 00:08:31,367 "Today, I'm gonna do what I'm supposed to do. 200 00:08:31,433 --> 00:08:33,232 Tomorrow, y'all can take care of me." 201 00:08:33,299 --> 00:08:35,366 No. Enough of that. 202 00:08:35,433 --> 00:08:39,433 Ma'am, you actually accept clients 203 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:40,933 who are being subsidized 204 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,834 - by other entities, correct? - Yes, ma'am. 205 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:46,767 And there are plenty of daycare agencies and plenty of facilities 206 00:08:46,834 --> 00:08:48,767 - in your county, in your neighborhood. - Uh-hmm. 207 00:08:48,834 --> 00:08:50,100 - Yeah. Yeah. - [Judge Acker] I'm from LA. 208 00:08:50,165 --> 00:08:52,700 There are plenty of places that say, "Oh, no, no, no. 209 00:08:52,767 --> 00:08:56,165 You're gonna write me a check. I'm not dealing with any county. 210 00:08:56,233 --> 00:08:57,800 I'm not dealing with any charity. 211 00:08:57,867 --> 00:08:59,667 - This is between you and me." - Correct. 212 00:08:59,734 --> 00:09:04,367 So it's actually a benefit to people to have somebody like you 213 00:09:04,433 --> 00:09:07,100 who is willing to say, "You know what? 214 00:09:07,166 --> 00:09:09,367 You're not able to pay this bill on your own. 215 00:09:09,433 --> 00:09:11,166 I'm gonna deal with the county, 216 00:09:11,233 --> 00:09:15,100 a bureaucracy that sometimes will hold up my dollars 217 00:09:15,166 --> 00:09:16,333 - for months and months." - Uh-hmm. Uh-hmm. 218 00:09:16,734 --> 00:09:18,500 [Judge Acker] "But because you need help from me, 219 00:09:18,567 --> 00:09:20,066 - I'm gonna work with you." - [Kelly] Correct. 220 00:09:20,133 --> 00:09:22,400 That's what you agreed to this arrangement in the first place. 221 00:09:22,467 --> 00:09:26,667 Exactly. And then I'd like to hone on to Daejhah speaking on 222 00:09:26,734 --> 00:09:29,233 she's by herself and she's out here. 223 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:33,066 We have helped Daejhah. We have kept her daughter after hour. 224 00:09:33,133 --> 00:09:35,165 [Judge Acker] And I actually wanna talk to you about that 225 00:09:35,233 --> 00:09:39,367 because there was a text exchange, the defendant submitted it, 226 00:09:39,433 --> 00:09:41,567 where you were upset that she couldn't keep your daughter 227 00:09:41,633 --> 00:09:43,233 - on a Saturday. - [Kelly] Uh-hmm. 228 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:44,367 [Judge Acker] And you said, 229 00:09:44,433 --> 00:09:48,333 "I don't have workers coming in on Saturday at 4:00. 230 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,633 You can drop her off Saturday at 5:00." 231 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:52,233 - Is that what happened? - That is what happened. 232 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:55,233 [Judge Acker] And then she said, "You better bring somebody in here at 4:30 233 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:56,300 'cause this is what I need." 234 00:09:56,367 --> 00:09:59,000 Oh, she was upset. But here's the policy. 235 00:09:59,066 --> 00:10:03,333 I ask all my parents, "Do you need care on the weekend?" 236 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,066 I ask them on Sunday for the following week. 237 00:10:06,133 --> 00:10:08,400 So Monday through that Saturday, what do you need? 238 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,066 Because I have a life as well. So if... 239 00:10:11,133 --> 00:10:12,233 Yeah. And I'm gonna interrupt you 240 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:15,033 because, again, she made that point about the nails. 241 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:17,400 Like her job is not to be your fulltime nanny. 242 00:10:17,467 --> 00:10:19,166 If after she does her work 243 00:10:19,233 --> 00:10:21,400 and after she fulfills her part of the contact, 244 00:10:21,467 --> 00:10:23,333 she wants to get her nails done, more power. 245 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,066 And the thing about the nails, it was the Friday before my wedding. 246 00:10:27,133 --> 00:10:31,734 It is. By the way, you do not have to justify the time 247 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,100 that you spend on your own. 248 00:10:33,165 --> 00:10:35,934 You are not at her beck and call. This is not Downtown Abbey. 249 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,500 And I apologized. 250 00:10:37,567 --> 00:10:42,333 I said, "I apologize. I don't have anyone to drop what they're doing," 251 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,100 because Daejhah elected to change her schedule. 252 00:10:45,165 --> 00:10:47,400 "What, you can't--you can't find nobody," 253 00:10:47,467 --> 00:10:49,367 and, "I don't believe y'all can't come in," 254 00:10:49,433 --> 00:10:52,000 and, "This is why I chose you because you're 24 hours," 255 00:10:52,066 --> 00:10:56,165 and, "This don't make no sense," and I'm gonna have to find somebody else. 256 00:10:56,233 --> 00:11:00,200 And I said to her, "So are you giving me your two-week notice?" 257 00:11:00,266 --> 00:11:01,333 "If I was giving you my two-week notice..." 258 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:02,400 [Judge Acker] You know, I saw that. 259 00:11:02,467 --> 00:11:04,767 She said, "If I was giving you notice, you would know." 260 00:11:04,834 --> 00:11:06,200 - It was nasty. - [Kelly] And then I said... 261 00:11:06,266 --> 00:11:08,333 [Judge Acker] There was no--hold on now. I wanna talk to you. 262 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,900 Seriously, there is no reason for you to be so nasty and disrespectful 263 00:11:11,967 --> 00:11:14,333 to this woman who was looking after your child. 264 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,800 And then you said something like, 265 00:11:15,867 --> 00:11:18,100 "They were always accusing her of having COVID." 266 00:11:18,166 --> 00:11:21,166 I saw evidence that there were symptoms 267 00:11:21,233 --> 00:11:24,033 and they said, "Bring a test." And you didn't bring a COVID test. 268 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:25,900 You sent a picture of the test. 269 00:11:25,967 --> 00:11:27,834 How many other kids are in the daycare? 270 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:29,900 I have a total--I'm licensed for 14 271 00:11:29,967 --> 00:11:32,066 but usually on a regular Monday through Friday, 272 00:11:32,133 --> 00:11:33,133 it's probably like nine. 273 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,367 So all she's trying to do was protect the other kids. 274 00:11:36,433 --> 00:11:38,367 There was no reason for all of this attitude. 275 00:11:38,433 --> 00:11:40,834 Why not just bring in the COVID test? 276 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:43,800 'Cause I was already at work and the COVID was left at home. 277 00:11:43,867 --> 00:11:47,300 [Judge Acker] You think that you were just well within your rights... 278 00:11:47,367 --> 00:11:49,200 - to blow somebody off... - I do believe... 279 00:11:49,266 --> 00:11:50,834 - I didn't blow her off. - [Judge Acker] You did blow her off. 280 00:11:50,900 --> 00:11:52,233 - You know why you blew her off? - It was a last-minute... 281 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:53,633 [Judge Acker] Because you had a contract. 282 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:57,734 And what she did because of your conduct, she was harmed 283 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,600 because she helped you, and that's not right. 284 00:12:00,467 --> 00:12:01,467 Judge DiMango? 285 00:12:01,533 --> 00:12:05,000 You are irresponsible, entitled, and ungrateful. 286 00:12:05,066 --> 00:12:06,467 That's what you are. 287 00:12:07,033 --> 00:12:10,700 Would you wanna put your daughter in a classroom in a small area 288 00:12:10,767 --> 00:12:13,867 - with other children that have COVID? - No. 289 00:12:13,934 --> 00:12:17,066 Do you think other parents would want their children with your daughter 290 00:12:17,133 --> 00:12:19,066 - if she has COVID? - No. 291 00:12:19,133 --> 00:12:22,100 What would it have taken from you to test your child for COVID? 292 00:12:22,166 --> 00:12:23,800 I did. I just left the test at home. 293 00:12:23,867 --> 00:12:25,333 - And by the time I dropped her off... - [Judge DiMango] But, at least... 294 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,200 ... I had brought in the doctor's note. 295 00:12:27,266 --> 00:12:28,834 - But nobody believed that. - The previous doctor's note stating 296 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:31,133 that she has allergies, she has medication she takes for allergies. 297 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,266 [Judge DiMango] But the point is nobody believes 298 00:12:33,333 --> 00:12:35,000 that you have the positive test 299 00:12:35,066 --> 00:12:36,433 because, one, you didn't bring it in, 300 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:37,967 - two, you took a picture. - Right. I understand. 301 00:12:38,033 --> 00:12:41,266 So why would somebody who's doing all of that to cover something up 302 00:12:41,333 --> 00:12:42,867 instead of just saying candidly, 303 00:12:42,934 --> 00:12:45,033 "All right, I'll keep her home today 'cause I don't have it 304 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:46,934 or I'll make other arrangements." 305 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,266 And the thing is, once again, entitlement, ungrateful, irresponsible. 306 00:12:52,333 --> 00:12:55,767 You wanted her, in this exchange which I have in front of me 307 00:12:55,834 --> 00:12:59,233 regarding can people stay at 4:00, can they come back. 308 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:01,900 You know, you're like annoyed at them 309 00:13:01,967 --> 00:13:05,467 that they can't change their lives for you. 310 00:13:05,533 --> 00:13:09,200 I did send her my schedule like every day--every Sunday, 311 00:13:09,266 --> 00:13:11,033 - I will send her a schedule. - [Judge DiMango] Uh-hmm. 312 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:14,133 What happened at that time was the day I had to go training 313 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,333 - for my license. - [Judge DiMango] Uh-hmm. 314 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,700 I let her know that there could be a change in the schedule 315 00:13:18,767 --> 00:13:20,266 in the beginning of the week. 316 00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:21,867 I usually don't work on Saturdays. 317 00:13:21,934 --> 00:13:25,133 But I had to go do my license at the DMV on Saturday. 318 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,233 - [Judge DiMango] Did you get that notice? - I asked if anybody was available. 319 00:13:27,300 --> 00:13:29,133 [Judge DiMango] 'Cause I don't see it in all of this exchange. 320 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,567 - She did not tell me, no. - [Judge DiMango] I don't see it either. 321 00:13:30,633 --> 00:13:32,367 So moving along on that, 322 00:13:32,433 --> 00:13:35,633 you say, "Can we try to work for 4:00 323 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:38,100 since your workers have to be there early anyways? 324 00:13:38,165 --> 00:13:41,333 I'm on a 90-day probation and it's already a bad look. 325 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,300 I would have to have her dad with her since I don't have a choice. 326 00:13:45,367 --> 00:13:47,967 That's if he can watch her for those few hours." 327 00:13:48,033 --> 00:13:50,700 Now, tell us the story about her dad. 328 00:13:50,767 --> 00:13:53,767 Isn't he restricted to supervised visitation at your request? 329 00:13:55,033 --> 00:13:57,400 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 330 00:13:57,700 --> 00:13:59,667 When I received the COVID test, 331 00:13:59,734 --> 00:14:03,467 I looked it up and realized that the COVID test was from Google. 332 00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:05,900 Same number, same picture, same everything. 333 00:14:05,967 --> 00:14:07,734 [dramatic musical sting] 334 00:14:09,467 --> 00:14:11,133 [theme music plays] 335 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,367 [announcer] Daycare owner, Kelly Harris, is suing Daejhah McJimson 336 00:14:14,433 --> 00:14:17,633 for almost $1,500 in daycare services. 337 00:14:17,700 --> 00:14:19,934 Kelly claims Daejhah stopped paying 338 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,000 after she was caught providing a fake COVID test result. 339 00:14:23,066 --> 00:14:27,533 Daejhah claims Kelly was paid by a daycare assistance program. 340 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,567 [Judge DiMango] Tell us the story about her dad. 341 00:14:29,633 --> 00:14:32,734 Isn't he restricted to supervised visitation at your request? 342 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,033 - Yes. - [Judge DiMango] Okay. 343 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:36,900 So that means that he cannot be with your daughter. 344 00:14:36,967 --> 00:14:39,667 And the visitation order that we have indicates 345 00:14:39,734 --> 00:14:42,300 that not only can't he be unsupervised, 346 00:14:42,367 --> 00:14:44,967 one, you can't be the person supervising, 347 00:14:45,033 --> 00:14:47,567 two, it's gotta be a mutually agreed upon person, 348 00:14:47,633 --> 00:14:50,900 and, three, it's gotta occur at a particular location. 349 00:14:50,967 --> 00:14:55,600 Not on the street with him bringing the child to her daycare center. 350 00:14:55,667 --> 00:14:58,533 Why do you think that they were pushing that issue with you? 351 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,300 It was for her to pick her up at a certain time. 352 00:15:01,367 --> 00:15:03,934 It doesn't matter what it was for. 353 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,834 - He can't be... - And I was getting off of work at 5:00. 354 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:07,533 It was supposed to be supervised visitation 355 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,033 and he was with somebody that was gonna be supervised with him. 356 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:11,333 He cannot be 357 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,667 with the child unsupervised. 358 00:15:13,734 --> 00:15:15,400 - [Daejhah] And he had supervision. - So let me ask you, why do you think 359 00:15:15,467 --> 00:15:17,567 that she pushed that issue with you? 360 00:15:17,633 --> 00:15:18,767 [Daejhah] I don't know, but, again... 361 00:15:18,834 --> 00:15:20,734 [Judge DiMango] You had no idea why this woman... 362 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,100 - [Daejhah] He had supervision. - [Judge DiMango] ... would say to you-- 363 00:15:22,533 --> 00:15:24,433 you--is there something wrong with you? 364 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:25,567 No. 365 00:15:25,633 --> 00:15:28,734 [Judge DiMango] According to what I read, paragraph six, 366 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,767 "Father shall have monitored visitation with the child 367 00:15:32,165 --> 00:15:34,767 at a minimum one time a week. 368 00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:37,100 Monitor shall be mutually agreed upon 369 00:15:37,165 --> 00:15:40,633 or a professional monitor paid for by the father. 370 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:45,133 Visits shall be at a time, place, and location mutually agreed upon." 371 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,133 This does not mean that he should be picking up your child 372 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,500 with somebody to deliver the child to them. 373 00:15:52,567 --> 00:15:55,500 They have no idea who's supposed to be supervising. 374 00:15:55,567 --> 00:15:59,367 They don't have advance-- do you get the purpose for these rules? 375 00:15:59,433 --> 00:16:00,667 For whose benefit? 376 00:16:01,233 --> 00:16:02,467 - For my child. - Thank you. 377 00:16:02,533 --> 00:16:05,834 Can you please step up and tell us your role here? 378 00:16:06,233 --> 00:16:08,900 My name is Talia Holly. I'm a teacher. 379 00:16:08,967 --> 00:16:12,667 I've been working with-- in education field for about four years 380 00:16:13,033 --> 00:16:15,900 and then I've been working at the daycare for about like two years. 381 00:16:15,967 --> 00:16:21,533 Okay. Talia, what can you attest to in this courtroom regarding the case? 382 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:26,633 So for the COVID test, I personally was in charge that day to call her. 383 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:29,767 And when I received the COVID test, 384 00:16:29,834 --> 00:16:33,967 I actually--since she does have history of telling, you know, stories, 385 00:16:34,033 --> 00:16:38,165 I looked it up and realized that the COVID test was from Google. 386 00:16:38,233 --> 00:16:40,700 Same number, same picture, same everything. 387 00:16:40,767 --> 00:16:44,033 I was a little disappointed, so I called Daejhah personally 388 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:48,233 and was like, "Daejhah, I noticed that the COVID test is not a real one. 389 00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:51,233 But if you have the real COVID test and it's negative, 390 00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:53,266 then you--all you have to do is bring it to the daycare." 391 00:16:53,333 --> 00:16:55,934 And she said that she couldn't find it at home 392 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,533 and then she never brought it back. 393 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,567 So I can see where your issues with her credibility have surfaced 394 00:17:01,633 --> 00:17:02,900 and continued to remain. 395 00:17:02,967 --> 00:17:04,633 Thank you very much for that testimony. 396 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:06,633 - [Talia] Thank you. - I have no further questions. 397 00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:08,800 So we are going to retire to deliberate at this time. 398 00:17:08,867 --> 00:17:09,967 Thank you. 399 00:17:10,032 --> 00:17:13,066 Court is now in recess. Parties will be recalled. 400 00:17:13,133 --> 00:17:15,900 [dramatic musical sting] 401 00:17:16,834 --> 00:17:19,200 So she's getting subsidized care, 402 00:17:19,266 --> 00:17:22,900 which means the taxpayers are contributing to care for her child 403 00:17:22,967 --> 00:17:24,800 at no expense to her, 404 00:17:24,867 --> 00:17:29,333 and her sole responsibility was just to sign a piece of paper 405 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:34,367 that allows the women who are working to do that job to get paid. 406 00:17:34,433 --> 00:17:37,333 And because she got angry 407 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,967 that the plaintiff and her staff 408 00:17:41,033 --> 00:17:43,633 uncovered her blatant lie 409 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:45,266 about the COVID test 410 00:17:45,333 --> 00:17:49,700 and because they insisted on her compliance 411 00:17:49,767 --> 00:17:53,333 with a supervised visitation order, 412 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,567 she decided to say, "Screw you, screw your workers, 413 00:17:57,633 --> 00:18:01,633 I don't care that you get paid, and I'll see you in court." 414 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:05,100 - That's what she wrote. - [Judge DiMango] Uh-hmm. 415 00:18:05,166 --> 00:18:07,734 "I'll see you in court." 416 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,233 When you get something for free, it has no value. 417 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:15,266 So I believe that Ms. Harris has made out her case. 418 00:18:15,333 --> 00:18:18,934 She entitled to every nickel of what she's asked for, 419 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,333 which is $1,480. 420 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,834 I mean, this defendant is the reason, frankly, 421 00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:26,500 that so many people can't get the help they need 422 00:18:26,567 --> 00:18:30,133 because they don't wanna deal with people who don't have to do the little bit. 423 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,567 All she had to do was like sign a form so these other women could get paid. 424 00:18:34,633 --> 00:18:38,266 You know, she's living somewhere in Buckingham Palace in her head 425 00:18:38,333 --> 00:18:40,667 and she needs to come back to reality. 426 00:18:40,734 --> 00:18:42,867 I frankly wish we could give the plaintiff more 427 00:18:42,934 --> 00:18:44,066 just for the inconvenience 428 00:18:44,133 --> 00:18:45,100 but I know that we can't. 429 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:46,800 Everything you both said, 430 00:18:46,867 --> 00:18:51,266 because I find that she's irresponsible, entitled, and ungrateful. 431 00:18:51,333 --> 00:18:52,767 - [Judge Levy] Done. - To quote myself. 432 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:54,166 [chuckles] 433 00:18:54,233 --> 00:18:56,967 [dramatic musical sting] 434 00:18:57,033 --> 00:18:58,300 [Cassandra] Court is back in session. 435 00:18:58,367 --> 00:19:00,800 Parties are reminded that you're still under oath. 436 00:19:00,867 --> 00:19:02,567 - Thank you, Cassandra. - You're welcome. 437 00:19:02,633 --> 00:19:04,967 - [Judge Levy] So, Ms. McJimson. - Yes. 438 00:19:05,033 --> 00:19:07,133 [Judge Levy] All you had to do was sign a document 439 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,500 and the taxpayers were going to make sure 440 00:19:09,567 --> 00:19:13,700 that your responsibilities for the care and wellbeing of your child 441 00:19:13,767 --> 00:19:14,800 were taken care of. 442 00:19:14,867 --> 00:19:17,066 But because you got your panties in a twist, 443 00:19:17,133 --> 00:19:19,300 you decided to say, "Hey, screw you. 444 00:19:19,367 --> 00:19:24,133 I don't care that the workers who take care of my child don't get paid." 445 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:25,600 Who does that? 446 00:19:26,033 --> 00:19:30,600 If you had to work 40 hours a week, 50 hours a week, weekends 447 00:19:30,667 --> 00:19:33,033 caring for other people's children 448 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,967 who were sick, their nose running, changing them, 449 00:19:37,033 --> 00:19:38,367 you'd wanna get paid. 450 00:19:38,433 --> 00:19:39,867 But you didn't care about that. 451 00:19:39,934 --> 00:19:41,233 You just got angry 452 00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:43,767 because you got caught lying about a COVID test. 453 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,233 You got angry because the plaintiff refused 454 00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:49,734 to allow the father of your child 455 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,867 to come and violate the supervised visitation order 456 00:19:53,934 --> 00:19:55,333 that you brought. 457 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,800 And as a result of what you said, 458 00:19:57,867 --> 00:20:02,000 a father's right to see his own child was restricted. 459 00:20:02,066 --> 00:20:05,867 And then when it's not convenient for you to pick up your own child, 460 00:20:05,934 --> 00:20:09,000 all that goes out the window. [laughs] 461 00:20:09,066 --> 00:20:11,367 Now, all of a sudden he's father of the year. 462 00:20:11,967 --> 00:20:16,967 What you did is the reason why there are not more people like the plaintiff 463 00:20:17,033 --> 00:20:22,033 willing to take on parents who get subsidized childcare. 464 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:24,533 The reason is because of you. 465 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:25,900 We are unanimous. 466 00:20:25,967 --> 00:20:29,700 You owe her $1,480 and you're paying every penny. 467 00:20:29,767 --> 00:20:31,400 - [gavel bangs] - Thank you. 468 00:20:31,467 --> 00:20:34,667 This case has concluded. All parties are excused. 469 00:20:34,734 --> 00:20:37,400 [theme music plays] 470 00:20:37,467 --> 00:20:40,600 They didn't even try to hear me out or hear my story or my life, 471 00:20:40,667 --> 00:20:42,000 but it's understandable. 472 00:20:42,066 --> 00:20:44,633 She sent that fake COVID test and when she got caught, 473 00:20:44,700 --> 00:20:46,266 I think that's when she got mad. 474 00:20:46,333 --> 00:20:48,133 I just left the original one at the house. 475 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,333 It's really sad 476 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,200 because not only are they affecting the other children 477 00:20:52,266 --> 00:20:54,800 but they're affecting who these kids go home to. 478 00:20:54,867 --> 00:20:57,734 Every little thing, I just had to come either get my daughter 479 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,633 or them just butting into my work schedule. 480 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:01,834 It's really unfortunate. 481 00:21:02,266 --> 00:21:04,300 [announcer] Did someone break an agreement? 482 00:21:04,367 --> 00:21:07,600 Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 483 00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:10,333 Find us on social media. 484 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,567 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]