1 00:00:06,467 --> 00:00:08,367 [Judge DiMango] He holds himself out 2 00:00:08,433 --> 00:00:10,433 - to be a handyman? - Yes, ma'am. 3 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:11,700 [Allen] He said I did great work no matter what. 4 00:00:11,767 --> 00:00:13,033 No, it was not good. 5 00:00:13,100 --> 00:00:14,100 Never had a problem. 6 00:00:14,166 --> 00:00:17,066 He used the wrong wire, and it's high voltage wire, 7 00:00:17,133 --> 00:00:18,734 which was coiled up over my daughter's room. 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,266 Do you have any idea what happens when you use the wrong gauge wire? 9 00:00:22,333 --> 00:00:24,333 - A fire. - In other words, 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,734 you're not such a handy handyman. 11 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,433 [announcer] Now on Tribunal Justice. 12 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:32,834 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays] 13 00:00:50,567 --> 00:00:54,700 [announcer] Today's case was filed in Joshua Tree, California. 14 00:00:54,767 --> 00:00:57,066 Judge, this is case number 2044 15 00:00:57,133 --> 00:00:59,867 on the calendar in the matter of Bevan versus Thomsen. 16 00:00:59,934 --> 00:01:01,867 - Thank you, Byrd. - You're welcome, Judge. 17 00:01:01,934 --> 00:01:03,400 Parties have been sworn in. 18 00:01:03,467 --> 00:01:04,800 You may be seated. 19 00:01:04,867 --> 00:01:07,834 Mr. and Mrs. Bevan, you had a new home. 20 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:09,500 You were looking to have some work done. 21 00:01:09,567 --> 00:01:12,100 You had trouble finding some contractors to do work. 22 00:01:12,166 --> 00:01:13,533 You came across the defendant's card. 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,300 Even though he advertised to be a handyman, 24 00:01:16,367 --> 00:01:18,333 he was not so handy, according to you. 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,200 He didn't do the jobs properly that he was hired for, 26 00:01:21,265 --> 00:01:22,934 didn't meet your timeframe. 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 He ran over your child's bike and caused damage. 28 00:01:26,066 --> 00:01:28,900 Therefore, you're suing him here for $8,800. 29 00:01:28,967 --> 00:01:33,366 What you say, sir, is that they fired you before you could finish. 30 00:01:33,433 --> 00:01:36,000 Therefore, you don't owe them anything. 31 00:01:36,066 --> 00:01:38,900 And in fact, they owe you $3,300 32 00:01:38,967 --> 00:01:43,033 because you claim that they defamed you and slandered you on social media 33 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:46,166 and that they still have some of your tools at their home. 34 00:01:46,233 --> 00:01:48,300 Let's start with you. 35 00:01:48,366 --> 00:01:49,866 How long had you had this place for? 36 00:01:49,934 --> 00:01:51,900 We had just bought it, Your Honor. 37 00:01:51,967 --> 00:01:55,166 And the work that you needed done was basically to create another bedroom. 38 00:01:55,233 --> 00:01:56,233 What other things? 39 00:01:56,300 --> 00:01:58,400 Minor electrical work and plumbing work? 40 00:01:58,467 --> 00:02:00,667 So we have a family friend that's a retired contractor 41 00:02:00,734 --> 00:02:03,100 who came in and actually framed out the walls for us. 42 00:02:03,166 --> 00:02:05,133 - [Judge DiMango] Uh-hmm. - And then he's a little bit older, 43 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,265 so he said it would take him, you know, two weeks to hang the drywall 44 00:02:08,333 --> 00:02:10,633 and texture the walls and do everything the way it was supposed to. 45 00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:13,367 So I--we called other people, contractors and stuff, 46 00:02:13,433 --> 00:02:15,133 and their schedules were just too busy. 47 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,000 They couldn't do it in the timeframe we had 48 00:02:17,066 --> 00:02:20,266 because we had people coming in to do floors and carpet and everything. 49 00:02:20,333 --> 00:02:23,000 So you wanted this all done within ten days, is that it? 50 00:02:23,066 --> 00:02:24,066 Yes, ma'am. 51 00:02:24,133 --> 00:02:25,500 And some of what we see back there, 52 00:02:25,567 --> 00:02:28,166 the sheetrock is what the defendant was doing, is that correct? 53 00:02:28,233 --> 00:02:29,633 - That's correct. - And, sir, would that be correct so far? 54 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:30,700 Yes, that's correct. 55 00:02:30,767 --> 00:02:32,466 [Judge DiMango] But when you knew that it was ten days, 56 00:02:32,533 --> 00:02:34,700 did you say you could get it done within ten days? 57 00:02:34,767 --> 00:02:35,900 [Allen] The original job, yes. 58 00:02:35,966 --> 00:02:37,966 But they added more work on top of the job. 59 00:02:38,033 --> 00:02:40,567 [Judge DiMango] Okay. What did you hire him to do exactly? 60 00:02:40,633 --> 00:02:42,800 You hired him to sheetrock, correct? 61 00:02:42,867 --> 00:02:44,266 [Daniel] That's correct. Four outlets... 62 00:02:44,333 --> 00:02:46,166 [Judge DiMango] And install four outlets, 63 00:02:46,233 --> 00:02:48,966 two switches, and the installation of ceiling fans? 64 00:02:49,033 --> 00:02:50,133 [Daniel] Yes, ma'am. 65 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,200 Now, did you give them a total price or did you break it down? 66 00:02:53,266 --> 00:02:55,600 Your Honor, I broke it down when I first gave all the pricing. 67 00:02:55,667 --> 00:02:57,033 [Judge DiMango] I don't see that there. 68 00:02:57,100 --> 00:02:59,066 [Allen] No, yeah, I sent them a total invoice 69 00:02:59,133 --> 00:03:00,967 after so it's all easier and no headaches. 70 00:03:01,033 --> 00:03:02,033 I always do it that way. 71 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:03,233 But when I went up in person, 72 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:05,266 I gave them a pricing on electrical, 73 00:03:05,333 --> 00:03:07,300 a pricing on the mudding, sanding, and texture, 74 00:03:07,367 --> 00:03:10,100 and a pricing on the, you know, the ceiling fans and stuff as well. 75 00:03:10,166 --> 00:03:12,400 - So you gave them three separate prices. - [Allen] Yes. 76 00:03:12,467 --> 00:03:14,633 Now, you did that for a reason, 77 00:03:14,700 --> 00:03:16,000 - didn't you, sir? - Yes, Your Honor. 78 00:03:16,066 --> 00:03:17,066 [Judge DiMango] And what was that reason? 79 00:03:17,133 --> 00:03:18,433 - Because I'm a handyman. - [Judge DiMango] Okay. 80 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:20,934 So that was a big bone of contention here. 81 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,533 He holds himself out according to the business card that I saw here 82 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,667 and that you found to be a handyman. 83 00:03:28,734 --> 00:03:30,033 And why is that important here? 84 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:31,667 Which one of you wants to tell me? 85 00:03:31,734 --> 00:03:34,533 Because he's not allowed to charge more for parts, materials, 86 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,800 everything more than $500. 87 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:37,367 - [Judge DiMango] Correct? - Yes. 88 00:03:37,433 --> 00:03:39,266 [Judge DiMango] So the bottom line is 89 00:03:39,333 --> 00:03:43,133 there are some issues that are legal issues here, not just factual issues. 90 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,867 And those legal issues are whether or not the defendant, as a handyman, 91 00:03:47,934 --> 00:03:52,567 had the ability to charge you in excess of $500 92 00:03:52,633 --> 00:03:55,400 for all the work that you asked him to do 93 00:03:55,466 --> 00:03:59,333 or whether or not he could charge you individually for those. 94 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,233 And in California, which is where this occurred, there are some rules. 95 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:06,667 Your position is even still the job was lousy 96 00:04:06,734 --> 00:04:08,533 and so he shouldn't be paid for what he did. 97 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:09,633 Would that be correct? 98 00:04:09,700 --> 00:04:11,567 - Yes, ma'am. - [Judge DiMango] In other words, 99 00:04:11,633 --> 00:04:15,433 Mr. Thomsen, you're not such a handy handyman. 100 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:18,500 All right. Let me go to--because I have proof of him saying that I-- 101 00:04:18,567 --> 00:04:20,632 after he, uh, said he's hiring someone else 102 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:23,166 that he said I did great work no matter what... 103 00:04:23,233 --> 00:04:24,433 Uh, we do have that. 104 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:27,867 You saying to him that you're gonna pay him some money 105 00:04:27,934 --> 00:04:29,867 and him saying, "Okay. That sounds good." 106 00:04:29,934 --> 00:04:33,133 And you say, "No worries, dude. You still do great work. 107 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,000 You just got a lot on your plate and I'm in a time crunch." 108 00:04:37,066 --> 00:04:41,166 No, it was not good. I just--I didn't know to the extent of how bad it was 109 00:04:41,233 --> 00:04:44,533 because once I actually had someone come in to fix the electric, 110 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,233 I realized all the hazards he did. 111 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:48,500 It's not the right wire that needs to be in there. 112 00:04:48,567 --> 00:04:49,734 It needs to be... 113 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,600 How long have you been working as a handyman? 114 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:53,367 Six years, never had a problem. 115 00:04:53,433 --> 00:04:57,667 Now this bicycle here, this would be 04P414. 116 00:04:57,734 --> 00:04:58,933 Can we see that? 117 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:01,367 They're saying that you broke that bike. 118 00:05:01,433 --> 00:05:02,533 No, Your Honor. 119 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,900 He texted me two days after I hadn't showed up to the job 120 00:05:05,967 --> 00:05:08,000 saying that his bike was broken like that and he found it like that, 121 00:05:08,066 --> 00:05:11,033 when he had other foreign contractors there too as well. 122 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:12,300 Did you have other people there? 123 00:05:12,367 --> 00:05:14,600 - It was two days... - Nobody had been in there at the time 124 00:05:14,667 --> 00:05:15,900 because my wife had just gone through surgery. 125 00:05:15,967 --> 00:05:19,066 We weren't gonna live there until all-- you know, everything was done. 126 00:05:19,133 --> 00:05:20,967 And so we were staying at the other house. 127 00:05:21,033 --> 00:05:22,066 So those two days he weren't there, 128 00:05:22,133 --> 00:05:24,133 we also weren't there, we were somewhere else. 129 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,600 [Judge DiMango] So you don't know who did that? 130 00:05:25,667 --> 00:05:27,200 I know that we didn't. I can say that. 131 00:05:27,266 --> 00:05:29,367 And he's saying he didn't and you don't have any evidence. 132 00:05:29,433 --> 00:05:30,734 It's your burden of proof. 133 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,800 And second, you had another home 134 00:05:32,867 --> 00:05:36,933 and you went and stayed there, and yet you're asking for a $1,000 rent. 135 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,867 We don't--didn't own the other home, we were renting. 136 00:05:38,933 --> 00:05:39,933 [Daniel] We didn't own the other home. 137 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,266 I think you might have unrealistically given yourself the expectation that 138 00:05:44,332 --> 00:05:46,834 you were going to be done within a week. 139 00:05:46,900 --> 00:05:50,266 But you do have a countersuit here and that countersuit is for slander. 140 00:05:50,332 --> 00:05:51,332 You put up a picture. 141 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,066 Let's see the last thing here, which is the Facebook fan. 142 00:05:54,133 --> 00:05:55,266 [Daniel] That was me. 143 00:05:55,332 --> 00:05:56,834 - [Judge DiMango] That was you? - [Daniel] I was being petty. I'm sorry. 144 00:05:56,900 --> 00:06:00,133 I was gonna say, you took a lot of time to make this fake fan. 145 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,500 I thought it was funny because--so... 146 00:06:01,567 --> 00:06:02,734 [Judge DiMango] What do you do for a living? 147 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:03,800 I'm a Marine. 148 00:06:03,867 --> 00:06:05,033 - Are you still in active duty? - [Daniel] I'm with the Marines. 149 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:06,900 - And what do you do, ma'am? - I'm a civil engineer. 150 00:06:06,967 --> 00:06:08,967 [Judge DiMango] So you didn't help build this? 151 00:06:09,033 --> 00:06:10,333 - [Daniel] No. - [laughter] 152 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,633 No, so what had happened was... 153 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:14,200 [Judge DiMango] You didn't help build that fan with the flashlight in it 154 00:06:14,266 --> 00:06:16,533 to make fun of the defendant? That wasn't very nice. 155 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,133 So we're from a very small town and we're plugged into that town 156 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,133 so we were just letting people know like, "Hey, just so you know, this is a..." 157 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,200 - [Judge DiMango] Don't go with him. - Don't go with him. 158 00:06:22,266 --> 00:06:23,867 - [Judge DiMango] We didn't like his work. - Hundred percent. 159 00:06:23,934 --> 00:06:25,800 You know, if somebody doesn't like your job, 160 00:06:25,867 --> 00:06:26,967 they can tell you that. 161 00:06:27,033 --> 00:06:29,133 They could say, "You stink. You're lousy. 162 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,000 You do an absolutely awful job. 163 00:06:31,066 --> 00:06:32,433 You're the worst and I'm gonna tell everybody 164 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:35,133 that's ever gonna hire you not to hire you." 165 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,867 And that doesn't really amount to slander. 166 00:06:36,933 --> 00:06:39,467 That's just a business problem that you have 167 00:06:39,533 --> 00:06:41,667 if you're not doing your job as expected. 168 00:06:41,734 --> 00:06:43,100 I got one more thing to state to you, Your Honor. 169 00:06:43,166 --> 00:06:45,033 That was my flashlight and my battery as well. 170 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:46,834 I had to call the cops to come get it 171 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:48,633 and he also didn't wanna give me back my battery 172 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:50,066 - saying it was his and other tools. - [Daniel] That's not true. 173 00:06:50,133 --> 00:06:51,133 [Judge DiMango] But you did get everything back, 174 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,200 - didn't you? - No, I did not, Your Honor. 175 00:06:52,266 --> 00:06:54,600 Well, then I do have a report here, now that you bring it up. 176 00:06:54,667 --> 00:06:55,700 The police report... 177 00:06:55,767 --> 00:06:57,633 I only got the flashlight, not with the battery. 178 00:06:57,700 --> 00:06:59,500 ... picked up all of his belongings. 179 00:06:59,567 --> 00:07:01,233 Nothing is left at the residence. 180 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:02,667 [Allen] No, I didn't. The police officers and them, 181 00:07:02,734 --> 00:07:03,900 didn't wanna let me go on the house. 182 00:07:03,967 --> 00:07:05,066 The police officer didn't wanna search. 183 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:07,000 He said that that battery was his. 184 00:07:07,066 --> 00:07:08,500 Obviously, as you can see on the photo right there 185 00:07:08,567 --> 00:07:09,567 where my flashlight is painted white... 186 00:07:09,633 --> 00:07:10,667 [Judge DiMango] You did use it on this picture. 187 00:07:10,734 --> 00:07:12,467 - You still have it? - [Daniel] No. 188 00:07:12,533 --> 00:07:14,200 He literally said, "I'm coming to get my flashlight." 189 00:07:14,266 --> 00:07:15,800 I said, "Fine, bring the cops." 190 00:07:15,867 --> 00:07:18,767 Cops showed up before him, then he rolled up and I said, 191 00:07:18,834 --> 00:07:21,934 "Look, here's his flashlight, whatever." She took it to him, he's... 192 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,166 [Judge DiMango] Well, it is--let me say this. 193 00:07:23,233 --> 00:07:27,133 It's possible somebody else that was working in the house took it. 194 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,233 No, they didn't overlap. The only... 195 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:30,332 Nobody ever overlapped? 196 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,400 [Daniel] ... the only person that overlapped with him 197 00:07:31,467 --> 00:07:32,500 were the flooring that came up... 198 00:07:32,567 --> 00:07:34,166 - [Judge DiMango] So somebody did overlap. - Your Honor? 199 00:07:34,233 --> 00:07:35,500 But they take measurements. They don't have any tools. 200 00:07:35,567 --> 00:07:37,667 [Judge DiMango] But somebody did. It doesn't mean they don't steal. 201 00:07:37,734 --> 00:07:39,300 Judge Levy. 202 00:07:39,367 --> 00:07:41,433 [Judge Levy] One of you is playing fast and loose 203 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:44,967 with this idea of a handyman versus a contractor. 204 00:07:45,033 --> 00:07:46,667 Because you know you can go to jail 205 00:07:46,734 --> 00:07:50,734 for performing home improvements without a license, right? 206 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Yes, Your Honor. 207 00:07:51,867 --> 00:07:53,633 [Judge Levy] Because one of the rules in the state 208 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:57,500 is that a handyman is not allowed to charge more than $500 for a job. 209 00:07:57,567 --> 00:08:02,400 So when you gave the plaintiff the invoice for the total work, 210 00:08:02,467 --> 00:08:05,333 nothing prevented you from breaking it down, 211 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,967 500, 450, 350, 250, right? 212 00:08:09,033 --> 00:08:10,033 Yes, Your Honor. 213 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:11,166 [Judge Levy] So objectively, 214 00:08:11,233 --> 00:08:15,133 what everyone else sees is that the job that you quoted him 215 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,266 was $1,400 in violation of the statute, right? 216 00:08:19,332 --> 00:08:20,667 - Yes, Your Honor. - [Judge Levy] Good. 217 00:08:21,633 --> 00:08:24,400 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 218 00:08:24,467 --> 00:08:27,600 His wife sent a Cash App request with the description of "Ha, ha, ha." 219 00:08:27,667 --> 00:08:30,867 Sir, why is your wife taunting her and why the note? 220 00:08:30,934 --> 00:08:32,433 [dramatic musical sting] 221 00:08:34,366 --> 00:08:35,700 [theme music plays] 222 00:08:35,767 --> 00:08:40,000 [announcer] Daniel and Elizabeth Bevan are suing handyman Allen Thomsen 223 00:08:40,066 --> 00:08:44,300 for $8,800 over hazardous and incomplete work. 224 00:08:44,367 --> 00:08:47,400 Allen says the plaintiff stole his tools 225 00:08:47,467 --> 00:08:49,000 then defamed him, 226 00:08:49,066 --> 00:08:52,700 so he's countersuing for $3,300. 227 00:08:52,767 --> 00:08:55,165 [Judge Levy] This is your card, right? Your business card? 228 00:08:55,233 --> 00:08:56,233 Yes. 229 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:58,567 And that's the business card that you saw? 230 00:08:58,633 --> 00:09:00,834 That's the one we found in the local hardware store. 231 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:03,033 [Judge Levy] Right, Alpha Handyman Services, 232 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:05,834 remodeling, plumbing, electrical. 233 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:09,967 And there's nothing on this business card that says not licensed. 234 00:09:10,033 --> 00:09:11,967 All I know is that you advertise as handyman, 235 00:09:12,033 --> 00:09:13,166 it doesn't say you're a contractor. 236 00:09:13,233 --> 00:09:15,834 As long as you don't put construction or contractor, 237 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:18,166 then you're not advertising as licensed. 238 00:09:18,233 --> 00:09:19,233 - Hmm, really? - [Allen] That's what I know of. 239 00:09:19,300 --> 00:09:20,300 - That's your understanding? - [Allen] Yes, Your Honor. 240 00:09:20,367 --> 00:09:21,533 How long have you been doing this work? 241 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,000 Like I said, for six years on my own. 242 00:09:23,066 --> 00:09:24,633 - [Judge Levy] Six years on your own? - Yes. 243 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:27,200 Let me explain to you what the law is in your area. 244 00:09:27,266 --> 00:09:31,166 Business code, advertising by unlicensed persons, 245 00:09:31,233 --> 00:09:33,800 that's you, makes it a misdemeanor, 246 00:09:33,867 --> 00:09:37,800 punishable by $1,000 fine to advertise for construction work 247 00:09:37,867 --> 00:09:39,600 for which you do not hold a license, 248 00:09:39,667 --> 00:09:42,433 classification for the work you're advertising. 249 00:09:42,500 --> 00:09:45,600 And business cards are included in the definition of advertising. 250 00:09:45,667 --> 00:09:48,734 Is this the first time you're hearing this, Mister I've-done-this-for-six-years? 251 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,200 - Yes, Your Honor. - [Judge Levy] Really? 252 00:09:50,266 --> 00:09:51,800 Let's talk about that counterclaim of yours, 253 00:09:51,867 --> 00:09:56,333 because you say that you're looking for $300 for tools. 254 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,600 Not a flashlight. 255 00:09:57,667 --> 00:09:58,834 Yes, because I'm missing tools, Your Honor. 256 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:00,066 [Judge Levy] That's what you wrote. 257 00:10:00,133 --> 00:10:03,266 What the police said is, reporting party, that's you, 258 00:10:03,333 --> 00:10:05,433 doing construction work for resident 259 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:08,934 who is refusing to allow RP, you, 260 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,900 to collect his tools from LOC is location? 261 00:10:11,967 --> 00:10:12,967 Yes. 262 00:10:13,033 --> 00:10:17,133 RP, you, at 12:08 p.m., 263 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,500 this is what they wrote, "Picked up all of his belongings. 264 00:10:20,567 --> 00:10:23,367 Nothing is left at the residence." 265 00:10:23,433 --> 00:10:26,333 So explain to me why the police lied in their report. 266 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,767 Well, they--he said that he got-- 267 00:10:27,834 --> 00:10:30,033 he got--he gave me all my tools, so they're just going off 268 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:31,200 - of what he said. They... - [Judge Levy] Really? 269 00:10:31,266 --> 00:10:32,266 Yes. That's why the police started doing... 270 00:10:32,333 --> 00:10:33,333 [Judge Levy] Really? Okay, great. 271 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,066 So now, you leave with what you say are not all your tools. 272 00:10:37,133 --> 00:10:40,433 And you're like, "Oh, man, I don't have all my tools." 273 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:41,900 Your fingers still work, right? 274 00:10:41,967 --> 00:10:43,934 - You still got a phone, right? - [Allen] Uh-hmm. 275 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,165 Nothing prevented you from picking up your phone and saying, 276 00:10:46,233 --> 00:10:49,100 "Hi, Mr. 911, Ms. 911, 277 00:10:49,165 --> 00:10:52,033 yeah, you guys were just here, and you got my tools back, 278 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:56,000 but I didn't get all my tools back." You didn't do that, did you? 279 00:10:56,066 --> 00:10:57,533 I told them that it wasn't all my tools, Your Honor. 280 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,000 So here is-- 281 00:10:59,066 --> 00:11:00,867 so here is your counterclaim. 282 00:11:00,934 --> 00:11:02,633 You lie about one thing, 283 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:04,300 that's what I do with your counterclaim. I'm done. 284 00:11:04,367 --> 00:11:06,800 - The thing is, Your Honor, I'm not lying. - [Judge Levy] I'm done. 285 00:11:06,867 --> 00:11:09,967 [Judge Acker] Mr. Bevan, I wanna talk for a moment 286 00:11:10,033 --> 00:11:14,100 about your harassment claim against this defendant. 287 00:11:14,166 --> 00:11:17,767 You're suing him for $490 for harassment. 288 00:11:17,834 --> 00:11:19,400 - Yes, Your Honor. - [Judge Acker] What was it? 289 00:11:19,467 --> 00:11:22,867 So what happened was, when I left for physical therapy, 290 00:11:22,934 --> 00:11:25,400 he stiff-armed my wife for, like, a deposit 291 00:11:25,467 --> 00:11:27,367 on a job he convinced us that we needed, 292 00:11:27,433 --> 00:11:29,600 because all this extra work he said I added... 293 00:11:29,667 --> 00:11:31,934 When you say stiff-armed, you mean strong-armed, 294 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,533 he pushed her into paying more money? 295 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,500 He was like, "Hey, your husband owes me $300 deposit for this." 296 00:11:35,567 --> 00:11:36,567 [Judge Acker] You weren't there, correct? 297 00:11:36,633 --> 00:11:38,133 - [Daniel] I was not there. - You were there, ma'am. 298 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,233 She texted me and said, "Hey, I paid him for something..." 299 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:41,300 - No, no. I wanna hear from her. - [Daniel] Sorry. 300 00:11:41,367 --> 00:11:43,667 So I wasn't normally on the jobsite 301 00:11:43,734 --> 00:11:46,200 because I work in office 302 00:11:46,266 --> 00:11:50,700 and the one day I had off because he had a doctor's appointment. 303 00:11:50,767 --> 00:11:53,266 And he was supposed to be finishing up the job 304 00:11:53,333 --> 00:11:54,934 and just being able to move on 305 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,400 so we can get the other people in and finish the home. 306 00:11:58,467 --> 00:12:01,934 And that I owed him $300 as a deposit 307 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 to start a whole another project, 308 00:12:04,066 --> 00:12:05,467 even though he wasn't finished with the other one. 309 00:12:05,533 --> 00:12:07,834 [Judge Acker] Wait. This is the circumstance 310 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:09,633 that you described as harassment? 311 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:10,700 [Daniel] No, Your Honor. 312 00:12:10,767 --> 00:12:12,100 After everything had been done 313 00:12:12,166 --> 00:12:13,767 and the police had already came to the house, 314 00:12:13,834 --> 00:12:15,800 weeks and days and everything had gone by, 315 00:12:15,867 --> 00:12:18,000 his wife sent a Cash App request 316 00:12:18,066 --> 00:12:20,266 for another $300 with the description of "Ha, ha, ha." 317 00:12:20,333 --> 00:12:22,700 We didn't respond, and she did it how many times? 318 00:12:22,767 --> 00:12:24,233 It popped up like two or three times. 319 00:12:24,300 --> 00:12:27,633 Two--can we put that up, please? Exhibit 6. 320 00:12:28,734 --> 00:12:31,300 [Daniel] If she had requested from me, I wouldn't have thought anything of it. 321 00:12:31,367 --> 00:12:34,233 So your issue was that she was directing these items to your wife. 322 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:36,066 The fact that it was bothering my wife is what... 323 00:12:36,133 --> 00:12:37,400 It was directed to you, ma'am. 324 00:12:37,467 --> 00:12:39,066 I have thin skin. I am... 325 00:12:39,133 --> 00:12:41,567 [Judge Acker] Well, I wanna-- not only do you have thin skin 326 00:12:41,633 --> 00:12:45,667 but, sir, why is your wife taunting her for payment requests 327 00:12:45,734 --> 00:12:47,200 that they don't believe that you're entitled to? 328 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:48,667 Why did this happen and why the note? 329 00:12:48,734 --> 00:12:51,433 That's because they were making fun of my stuff, so my wife saw that, 330 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:53,900 so she's just trying to be, like how he said, petty back. 331 00:12:53,967 --> 00:12:55,800 You're talking about the fan with the flowers. 332 00:12:55,867 --> 00:12:58,000 Yeah, the fan and all that, so she was being petty back. 333 00:12:58,066 --> 00:12:59,800 - Super petty. - So listen, he just admitted, 334 00:12:59,867 --> 00:13:00,934 super petty. 335 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,266 - That's not money. - [Allen] Yeah, I know. 336 00:13:02,333 --> 00:13:03,333 [Judge Acker] It's not money. That's typical being petty. 337 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,600 Your Honor, they also with the $300, as you can see on page 30--or 56, 338 00:13:06,667 --> 00:13:10,900 you'll see that they've been-- they took $300 from my wife's Cash App. 339 00:13:10,967 --> 00:13:12,800 $300 for wiring, is that what you said? 340 00:13:12,867 --> 00:13:15,367 For the HVAC work to start the two days that I did work there 341 00:13:15,433 --> 00:13:16,934 and ran all the wiring through the attic and everything 342 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,400 and I supplied a hundred fifty feet of wiring as well to the property. 343 00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:22,467 [Judge Acker] And then they took it back? 344 00:13:22,533 --> 00:13:23,600 They took it back. 345 00:13:23,667 --> 00:13:26,300 So Mr. and Mrs. Bevan, I'd like you to respond to that. 346 00:13:26,367 --> 00:13:29,133 So if you can see in the text message I sent him, 347 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,100 I didn't wanna pay him the $300 that he got from my wife 348 00:13:32,165 --> 00:13:36,066 for the deposit for the HVAC job because there were parts not done. 349 00:13:36,133 --> 00:13:38,133 I've had an electrician come out 350 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,133 because those outlets that he's done don't work still to this day. 351 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,333 And I had an electrician come out and check the ceiling, 352 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,633 the roof which he was wiring up for HVAC, 353 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:49,500 and this is what makes me the most mad. 354 00:13:49,567 --> 00:13:52,433 He used the wrong wire, apparently run the wrong way 355 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:54,266 and it's high voltage wire. 356 00:13:54,333 --> 00:13:57,333 If you have wire that's just wound up and it's just too long, 357 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,834 it just heats up and burns. 358 00:13:58,900 --> 00:14:02,500 So he ran 60 extra feet of high voltage line 359 00:14:02,567 --> 00:14:04,633 that was just coiled up over my daughter's room. 360 00:14:04,700 --> 00:14:05,700 [Judge Acker] That's really helpful. 361 00:14:05,767 --> 00:14:08,233 Thank you all for your testimony. I have nothing further. 362 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:10,667 I have a couple of questions because you're asking for-- 363 00:14:10,734 --> 00:14:13,433 the big money ticket here for you is $4,000 364 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:16,166 for permits and for a new contractor. 365 00:14:16,233 --> 00:14:20,934 But why should he be responsible for paying $4,000 for permits? 366 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,700 Because now we have to have someone come in and actually do all the electrical 367 00:14:24,767 --> 00:14:28,433 and apparently we have to have permits for the-- 368 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:30,367 because it's done to an addition on the house. 369 00:14:30,433 --> 00:14:33,066 But he didn't frame out the walls for you. He just sheetrocked them. 370 00:14:33,133 --> 00:14:34,467 He can't pull permits. 371 00:14:34,533 --> 00:14:38,100 He advertised pretty clearly he was a handyman. 372 00:14:38,165 --> 00:14:41,266 And I'm going to, I believe, disagree 373 00:14:41,333 --> 00:14:44,100 with Judge Levy's interpretation of that statute 374 00:14:44,165 --> 00:14:46,333 where it says you need a license 375 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,734 for holding yourself out to do a particular job. 376 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,400 And I believe if you're gonna say I'm an electrician, 377 00:14:52,467 --> 00:14:54,467 you do need a license to say that. 378 00:14:54,533 --> 00:14:56,900 So I think there that might be something we need to discuss 379 00:14:56,967 --> 00:15:00,100 because I'm not sure he stepped over that line 380 00:15:00,166 --> 00:15:04,100 to fall into the interpretation that Judge Levy gives it. 381 00:15:04,166 --> 00:15:05,867 I do give it that same interpretation 382 00:15:05,934 --> 00:15:08,300 but I'm not sure it works on those facts here. 383 00:15:08,367 --> 00:15:10,433 Ooh, spicy deliberation we're gonna have. 384 00:15:10,500 --> 00:15:13,433 You think? I don't know. Maybe. 385 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:17,400 The job he never completed, you're asking for $2,400. 386 00:15:17,467 --> 00:15:19,100 I'm not sure where you got that number. 387 00:15:19,166 --> 00:15:21,400 - You said he charged you $1,400. - [Daniel] That's all... 388 00:15:21,467 --> 00:15:24,300 Even if he didn't do what you said, why is it $2,400? 389 00:15:24,367 --> 00:15:26,767 That's all we could prove as far as materials and stuff 390 00:15:26,834 --> 00:15:29,300 because all the sanding and everything he says he's done, 391 00:15:29,367 --> 00:15:30,734 the walls are like stucco, like... 392 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Okay. I have no further questions. 393 00:15:32,867 --> 00:15:34,400 Yeah, I'm gonna go through this real quick. 394 00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:37,600 So we're clear, a C10 electrical contractor 395 00:15:37,667 --> 00:15:40,867 is an electrical contractor places, installs, 396 00:15:40,934 --> 00:15:43,800 connects any electrical wires, 397 00:15:43,867 --> 00:15:48,233 fixtures, appliances, apparatus, conduits. 398 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:50,266 That's a C10. You're not a C10, right? 399 00:15:50,333 --> 00:15:51,333 No, Your Honor. 400 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,900 [Judge Levy] Do you have any idea what happens 401 00:15:52,967 --> 00:15:56,900 when you use the wrong gauge wire and then you turn on the circuit? 402 00:15:56,967 --> 00:15:58,767 - What happens? - I know what happens, Your Honor. 403 00:15:58,834 --> 00:15:59,867 - [Judge Levy] What happens? - [Allen] A fire. 404 00:15:59,934 --> 00:16:01,033 A fire. 405 00:16:02,333 --> 00:16:05,033 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 406 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:07,700 At the worst, it would be 1,400 if we were to give it all back. 407 00:16:07,767 --> 00:16:09,667 First of all, that makes a lot of sense. 408 00:16:09,734 --> 00:16:11,333 - Oh, thank you. - [laughing] 409 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,100 I have a business card that says I make-- 410 00:16:13,166 --> 00:16:15,433 I make sense, although I'm unlicensed to say that. 411 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,200 [dramatic musical sting] 412 00:16:19,066 --> 00:16:20,734 [theme music plays] 413 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,767 [announcer] Daniel and Elizabeth Bevan are suing handyman Allen Thomsen 414 00:16:24,834 --> 00:16:28,900 for $8,800 over hazardous and incomplete work. 415 00:16:28,967 --> 00:16:33,700 Allen says the plaintiff stole his tools then defamed him, 416 00:16:33,767 --> 00:16:37,500 so he's countersuing for $3,300. 417 00:16:37,567 --> 00:16:40,633 You wired thermostats to power and pumps. 418 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:45,333 You ran all wiring and pulled out the vent connected to the A/C 419 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,600 and connected the swamp cooler. 420 00:16:47,667 --> 00:16:49,633 You need a license for that. 421 00:16:49,700 --> 00:16:51,133 You can kill yourself. 422 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,533 You hold yourself out. 423 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,100 According to that business card, 424 00:16:54,165 --> 00:16:56,934 as someone who could be a licensed contractor 425 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,300 because you do not specifically indicate on it that you're not licensed. 426 00:17:00,367 --> 00:17:04,133 That's why what you did, in my opinion, gets you nothing. 427 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,200 I have nothing further. 428 00:17:05,266 --> 00:17:08,333 Can I just one very quick follow-up for the defendant? 429 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,700 As part of your counterclaim, you say that that petty picture 430 00:17:11,767 --> 00:17:15,700 that the plaintiff posted-- petty picture that the plaintiff posted 431 00:17:15,767 --> 00:17:18,800 caused you to lose $2,500 432 00:17:18,867 --> 00:17:21,733 of an existing and potential customer business. 433 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,000 Any evidence of that? 434 00:17:23,066 --> 00:17:25,700 I have a client that I used to work for. 435 00:17:25,767 --> 00:17:28,700 I work for her again now but at the time, she didn't hire me 436 00:17:28,767 --> 00:17:29,900 for a whole month straight until she figured out everything... 437 00:17:29,967 --> 00:17:32,367 But you just said--you just said you work for her again now? 438 00:17:32,433 --> 00:17:33,567 - [Allen] Yeah, but I've lost... - So you're not damaged. 439 00:17:33,633 --> 00:17:34,700 - You're not damaged. - [Allen] Okay. 440 00:17:34,767 --> 00:17:35,834 I'm finished. Thank you. 441 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:37,900 We are going to retire to deliberate at this time. 442 00:17:37,967 --> 00:17:39,934 - Thank you all. - Court now stands in recess. 443 00:17:40,033 --> 00:17:41,533 Parties are excused. 444 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,266 [dramatic musical sting] 445 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:46,800 Well, I'm gonna start with the countersuit. 446 00:17:46,867 --> 00:17:48,533 I don't believe that he was slandered. 447 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,467 I believe that they didn't like his work and that's what they said, 448 00:17:51,533 --> 00:17:53,767 and so I don't think he has a cause of action there. 449 00:17:53,834 --> 00:17:55,934 With regard to the tools, it seems pretty clear 450 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,166 that when he went to the home, the police finished a report 451 00:17:59,233 --> 00:18:01,066 saying that he had gotten all his things. 452 00:18:01,133 --> 00:18:04,033 In fact, he is just mistaken or outright lying. 453 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:05,767 Either way, we're gonna dismiss. 454 00:18:05,834 --> 00:18:09,433 The other issues are, one, was he implying that he's licensed 455 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:11,767 on his business card that says he's a handyman 456 00:18:11,834 --> 00:18:14,834 and can do the following litany of tasks? 457 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:17,900 And the second thing is whether or not if that's the case, 458 00:18:17,967 --> 00:18:22,834 he could charge what he was charging which was $1,400 for, let's just say, 459 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:26,133 three different types of work that he was doing, the sheetrocking, 460 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,867 the outlets and sockets, and the installation of the fans. 461 00:18:29,934 --> 00:18:34,400 I think he's on a fringe by saying handyman, which he makes clear. 462 00:18:34,467 --> 00:18:38,233 It's in bold print and I can do these things. He can. 463 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:42,600 So with regard to that, I'm not gonna push to say he's criminally responsible. 464 00:18:42,667 --> 00:18:46,500 However, what I do wanna go through is what the plaintiff's asking for. 465 00:18:46,567 --> 00:18:49,800 I don't see any evidence that it was $4,000 in permits. 466 00:18:49,867 --> 00:18:51,033 I didn't see any evidence 467 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:52,967 that he was the one that broke the bicycle. 468 00:18:53,033 --> 00:18:55,200 I don't see any evidence that they were moving out sooner, 469 00:18:55,266 --> 00:18:57,767 that they gave anybody notice that they were moving out 470 00:18:57,834 --> 00:19:01,100 and that they were paying a $1,000 a month. 471 00:19:01,166 --> 00:19:03,567 With regard to the harassment, 472 00:19:03,633 --> 00:19:06,266 don't see any harassment in the picture that says, "ha, ha, ha" 473 00:19:06,333 --> 00:19:08,333 or, you know, anything along those lines. 474 00:19:09,166 --> 00:19:11,767 And even if we wanna say he didn't complete the job, 475 00:19:11,834 --> 00:19:13,533 which he admits he didn't complete, 476 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,800 although he's blaming them for that, 477 00:19:15,867 --> 00:19:19,033 it certainly doesn't amount to $2,400. 478 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:21,934 At the worst, it would be 1,400 if we were to give it all back. 479 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,800 First of all, that makes a lot of sense. 480 00:19:24,867 --> 00:19:26,266 - Oh, thank you. - [laughing] 481 00:19:26,333 --> 00:19:27,934 I have a business card that says I make-- 482 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,433 I make sense, although I'm unlicensed to say that. 483 00:19:32,033 --> 00:19:35,033 As far as your analysis, I agree with you. 484 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:38,934 But every nickel that was paid by the plaintiff to the defendant 485 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,533 I believe must be returned, 486 00:19:41,867 --> 00:19:44,300 to the extent that there are other expenses 487 00:19:44,367 --> 00:19:47,166 that now come to fruition to undo 488 00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:51,700 what the defendant did by way of paying someone else 489 00:19:51,767 --> 00:19:54,066 to run new wiring, because the old wiring was wrong. 490 00:19:54,133 --> 00:19:57,100 I believe that the plaintiff would be entitled to those monies. 491 00:19:57,166 --> 00:19:58,934 [Judge Acker] And I agree with that analysis. 492 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,633 He overstepped in terms of the work he did. 493 00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:03,700 He charged more than the $500. 494 00:20:03,767 --> 00:20:06,967 He didn't have on his business card that he was unlicensed. 495 00:20:07,033 --> 00:20:09,066 I mean, you know in this jurisdiction in particular, 496 00:20:09,133 --> 00:20:13,033 if somebody is licensed, they have a little license number on the card 497 00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:15,867 so that you know you're dealing with somebody who knows what they're doing. 498 00:20:15,934 --> 00:20:17,233 This kid did not. 499 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:21,333 I would return to them all of the money that they paid him 500 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,300 because he had no business getting this gig in the first place. 501 00:20:24,367 --> 00:20:26,033 He had no business taking on the work. 502 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:28,667 So we're all at that $2,400 number. 503 00:20:28,734 --> 00:20:31,266 It's just a matter of what, if anything, we each think 504 00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:33,900 they should get, if at all, from that number. 505 00:20:33,967 --> 00:20:35,367 But aren't we all on board 506 00:20:35,433 --> 00:20:37,467 with simply returning them the money that... 507 00:20:37,533 --> 00:20:40,200 - The 1,400. - ... they paid him, the 1,400-plus. 508 00:20:40,266 --> 00:20:41,500 There is in fact evidence 509 00:20:41,567 --> 00:20:43,567 - that they paid another $1,000. - [Judge Levy] Yes. 510 00:20:43,633 --> 00:20:47,300 In order to remedy the HVAC work, so there's his $2,400. 511 00:20:47,367 --> 00:20:48,700 - Yes. - So I don't have a problem 512 00:20:48,767 --> 00:20:49,767 with the HVAC. 513 00:20:49,834 --> 00:20:51,800 That he can't do. That's indisputable. 514 00:20:51,867 --> 00:20:54,700 So that $1,000 I think absolutely goes back. 515 00:20:54,767 --> 00:20:56,867 With regard to the 1,400, 516 00:20:56,934 --> 00:20:58,800 I'm not willing to say he was unlicensed, 517 00:20:58,867 --> 00:21:03,367 he could not do four outlets, install ceiling fans. 518 00:21:03,433 --> 00:21:04,433 He could do that. 519 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:07,400 But I found them credible because whatever he installed 520 00:21:07,467 --> 00:21:08,633 - did not work. - But that's different then. 521 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:10,300 - Those four outlets did not work. - Okay. 522 00:21:10,367 --> 00:21:12,867 That's a different story. I can buy that they didn't work. 523 00:21:12,934 --> 00:21:15,233 So along with the shoddy job and the 1,000 524 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:17,300 that it took him for where he was unlicensed, 525 00:21:17,367 --> 00:21:20,333 I could live with the $2,400 returned and nothing else. 526 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,266 Dismiss the counterclaim in its entirety. 527 00:21:22,333 --> 00:21:24,100 - Right on. Adjourned. - Very good. 528 00:21:24,166 --> 00:21:27,200 [dramatic musical sting] 529 00:21:27,266 --> 00:21:28,533 [Byrd] Court is back in session. 530 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,900 I remind parties you're still under oath. 531 00:21:30,967 --> 00:21:32,567 - Thank you, Byrd. - [Byrd] Uh-hmm. 532 00:21:32,633 --> 00:21:34,967 We're gonna start with the simplest part of the case 533 00:21:35,033 --> 00:21:36,934 and that, sir, was your counterclaim. 534 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,166 Nothing that they said amounted to anything 535 00:21:39,233 --> 00:21:42,200 more than just bad reviews of your work. 536 00:21:42,266 --> 00:21:46,767 And the tools, the only thing we can actually rely on is the police report 537 00:21:46,834 --> 00:21:50,567 which says that all the tools, everything was returned to you. 538 00:21:50,633 --> 00:21:54,200 So, based on that, we're dismissing your counterclaim. 539 00:21:54,266 --> 00:21:56,000 Now that brings us to your complaint. 540 00:21:56,066 --> 00:21:57,300 You asked for several different things. 541 00:21:57,367 --> 00:22:00,500 The simplest one to address was the bicycle. 542 00:22:00,567 --> 00:22:02,934 Bottom line is we don't have any credible evidence that 543 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,667 it was in fact the defendant who damaged your little boy's bike. 544 00:22:06,734 --> 00:22:10,633 With regard to the harassment, you all did silly angry things. 545 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:12,533 You all taunted one another, 546 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,567 but it wasn't tantamount to harassment for either side. 547 00:22:15,633 --> 00:22:18,266 With regard to where you lived, you were there. 548 00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:21,100 We didn't see any evidence of how much you were paying, 549 00:22:21,166 --> 00:22:22,400 when your lease was up, 550 00:22:22,467 --> 00:22:25,100 whether or not you gave notice and were a holdover tenant. 551 00:22:25,166 --> 00:22:27,300 So with regard to that $1,000, 552 00:22:27,367 --> 00:22:29,800 we are not going to award you that either. 553 00:22:29,867 --> 00:22:33,667 With regard to permits, you would've needed those $4,000 in permits 554 00:22:33,734 --> 00:22:35,467 regardless of who did what work, 555 00:22:35,533 --> 00:22:36,767 so we're not giving you that. 556 00:22:36,834 --> 00:22:39,200 So we come to the $2,400. 557 00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:41,066 We believe the following, one, 558 00:22:41,133 --> 00:22:44,967 that you did work beyond the purview of your handyman status 559 00:22:45,033 --> 00:22:46,800 by taking on the HVAC job 560 00:22:46,867 --> 00:22:48,266 even though they might've asked you. 561 00:22:48,333 --> 00:22:49,333 That's a no. 562 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,433 So with regard to that $1,000, you would get that back. 563 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:56,500 And as to the $1,400 that you charged for your job 564 00:22:56,567 --> 00:23:00,633 where you were unlicensed, they would be entitled to get that back. 565 00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:04,100 So the verdict then is in your favor for $2,400 566 00:23:04,166 --> 00:23:05,133 and your case is dismissed. 567 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,900 - [gavel bangs] - Thank you, Your Honor. 568 00:23:06,967 --> 00:23:08,133 [Byrd] This case has now concluded. 569 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,300 Parties are excused. You may step out. 570 00:23:10,367 --> 00:23:13,467 [theme music plays] 571 00:23:13,533 --> 00:23:14,934 Their timeframe wasn't up-to-date 572 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,567 when they kept on adding more and more projects 573 00:23:16,633 --> 00:23:18,600 and that--ever since then, 574 00:23:18,667 --> 00:23:20,000 that's when they started having a headache. 575 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:22,033 Without any better words, we gave an [bleep] window, 576 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:23,367 like hey, you know, we messed up. 577 00:23:23,433 --> 00:23:25,900 Here's your [bleep] window and he was well past it. 578 00:23:25,967 --> 00:23:27,734 Yeah. All I needed was two more days. 579 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,834 Legit just two more days. 580 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:30,600 Well, I still have to undo everything he did. 581 00:23:30,667 --> 00:23:31,867 You just can't please everyone. 582 00:23:31,934 --> 00:23:33,200 Don't hire Allen. 583 00:23:33,767 --> 00:23:35,867 [announcer] Did someone destroy your property? 584 00:23:35,934 --> 00:23:38,967 Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 585 00:23:39,033 --> 00:23:43,066 Find us on social media at Tribunal Justice. 586 00:23:43,133 --> 00:23:46,367 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]