1 00:00:06,367 --> 00:00:08,533 [child cries] 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,767 [Judge DiMango] He's tracking down a fugitive from justice, 3 00:00:11,834 --> 00:00:13,934 and you're taking your children around with him? 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,633 This gentleman has traumatized not only my children but myself. 5 00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:18,533 You traumatized your kids. 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,133 It has nothing to do with me. 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,133 Never in a million years will she get it. 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,667 [Judge Acker] Your husband put you and your family in harm's way, 9 00:00:25,734 --> 00:00:26,834 and you let him. 10 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:29,633 [announcer] Now on Tribunal Justice. 11 00:00:29,700 --> 00:00:33,100 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays] 12 00:00:51,066 --> 00:00:55,100 [announcer] Today's case was filed in Indianapolis, Indiana. 13 00:00:55,166 --> 00:00:57,133 [Byrd] Your Honor, this is case number 2017 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,266 on the calendar in the matter of Medlin versus Patterson. 15 00:01:00,333 --> 00:01:01,667 - Thank you, Byrd. - You're welcome, Judge. 16 00:01:01,734 --> 00:01:03,066 Parties have been sworn in. 17 00:01:03,133 --> 00:01:04,300 You may be seated. 18 00:01:04,367 --> 00:01:06,200 - Ma'am, have a seat. - [Shawn] Thank you. 19 00:01:06,266 --> 00:01:07,433 [Judge Acker] Mr. Medlin. 20 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:10,533 You owned a company called Your Mom's Bail Bonds. 21 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:11,600 [Luke] Yes, Your Honor. 22 00:01:11,667 --> 00:01:13,000 [Judge Acker] And the work of that company 23 00:01:13,066 --> 00:01:16,667 was to serve as a bail agent and a recovery agent. 24 00:01:16,734 --> 00:01:20,300 The defendant's husband had been charged with various offenses. 25 00:01:20,367 --> 00:01:22,700 - He did not appear in court. - Right. 26 00:01:22,767 --> 00:01:27,166 [Judge Acker] And you were retained to recover him, you ultimately did. 27 00:01:27,233 --> 00:01:32,233 Her husband's bail was $40,000, she was contractually obligated 28 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:34,934 to pay 10%, and you're suing her for that amount. 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,567 You are also seeking to recover from her travel costs 30 00:01:38,633 --> 00:01:41,366 and also for trackers and the court costs 31 00:01:41,433 --> 00:01:44,300 - that you spent filing this lawsuit. - Yes, Your Honor. 32 00:01:44,366 --> 00:01:46,600 [Judge Acker] So the total amount of your claim against Ms. Patterson 33 00:01:46,667 --> 00:01:48,734 is $4,700. 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,467 Ms. Patterson, you say that your contract was not with the plaintiff, 35 00:01:52,533 --> 00:01:54,100 it was with another company. 36 00:01:54,166 --> 00:01:57,667 And secondly, you say that your husband was remanded to custody 37 00:01:57,734 --> 00:02:01,300 before anyone was charged anything, and so you don't owe him any money. 38 00:02:01,367 --> 00:02:03,066 - Do I have that right? - That's correct. 39 00:02:03,133 --> 00:02:04,667 [Judge Acker] Did you go to court the day that your husband 40 00:02:04,734 --> 00:02:06,166 - failed to appear, or were you... - No, we were... 41 00:02:06,233 --> 00:02:07,266 [Judge Acker] ... you did not show up at all? 42 00:02:07,333 --> 00:02:08,667 ... actually separated at that time. 43 00:02:08,734 --> 00:02:13,533 [Judge Acker] So in any event, he failed to appear in December 2022. 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,600 Yes, Your Honor. 45 00:02:14,667 --> 00:02:18,367 I am the recovery agent for the bail company 46 00:02:18,433 --> 00:02:20,567 that she entered into contract with. 47 00:02:20,633 --> 00:02:23,800 [Judge Acker] When the defendant's husband fled, 48 00:02:23,867 --> 00:02:27,000 how many people did you have on your team seeking to recover him? 49 00:02:27,066 --> 00:02:29,100 Uh, I had a total of five. 50 00:02:29,166 --> 00:02:31,767 We didn't start the case until May, 51 00:02:31,834 --> 00:02:35,934 is when I was officially ordered to, uh, try to apprehend. 52 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,233 And so we began looking through the file, trying to find the defendant 53 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:43,533 because, uh, contractually, she's supposed to be in contact 54 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,934 and notify the surety company of any changes of address. 55 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,266 - [Judge Acker] If she moved, if she... - [Luke] She moved or anything. 56 00:02:48,333 --> 00:02:49,800 ... goes somewhere, she leaves the jurisdiction. 57 00:02:49,867 --> 00:02:52,734 [Luke] None of--yeah, none of that was done, so we had to spend 58 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,466 a couple months before we could find her, and then we began following her 59 00:02:56,533 --> 00:03:00,700 to see if we could find her having interactions, uh, with her husband. 60 00:03:00,767 --> 00:03:04,767 [Judge Acker] So it's about eight months after her husband 61 00:03:04,834 --> 00:03:07,667 failed to appear and you see her with him. 62 00:03:07,734 --> 00:03:11,033 [Luke] Uh, well, my agents followed her to a location, 63 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:12,834 and then that's when they had the first interaction. 64 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:16,300 They called me, notifying, "Hey, we have positive ID," 65 00:03:16,367 --> 00:03:19,400 and asked me if, uh, I wanted them to apprehend 66 00:03:19,466 --> 00:03:22,400 because he was known to carry a weapon. 67 00:03:22,466 --> 00:03:25,333 And so that's the--one of the videos that we presented, 68 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,934 uh, to the court is the first interaction where he did flee, 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,700 uh, a weapon was pulled on my agents while he was running. 70 00:03:32,767 --> 00:03:34,800 Uh, he dropped it in the pursuit 71 00:03:34,867 --> 00:03:37,567 because he didn't have, uh, proper control. 72 00:03:37,633 --> 00:03:38,633 [Judge Acker] I'm gonna stop you right there 73 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:39,700 - because I would like... - [Luke] Yes. 74 00:03:39,767 --> 00:03:40,834 [Judge Acker] ... the court to see the video now. 75 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:42,033 - [Luke] Yeah. - [Judge Acker] Let's take a look. 76 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,466 And I'm sorry, this body cam is on one of your agents? 77 00:03:45,533 --> 00:03:47,367 Yes, it's on one of my agents. Yes, Your Honor. 78 00:03:49,367 --> 00:03:51,066 [man] Put your hands behind your back. 79 00:03:51,133 --> 00:03:52,633 - Uh-uh, man. - [man] Put your hands behind your back. 80 00:03:52,700 --> 00:03:54,200 - [Keisha] What are y'all doin'? - [man] We got a warrant for your arrest. 81 00:03:54,266 --> 00:03:55,266 - You know that. - No, I don't. No, no. 82 00:03:55,333 --> 00:03:56,333 [man] Yeah, ya do. Then we'll settle it up. 83 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,667 - You know I did not, no. - [man] Keep your hands down. 84 00:03:57,734 --> 00:03:58,734 - [Keisha] Wait, wait, wait. - Nah, bro. 85 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,133 - [man] Put your hands down. - Baby, I ain't do nothin'. 86 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,400 You ain't got to take me in, bro. 87 00:04:02,467 --> 00:04:04,633 [man] You know, the cops are on their way here too, so... 88 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:06,400 - What's goin' on, bro? - [man] I got a warrant by email. 89 00:04:06,467 --> 00:04:08,266 [indistinct] bro. 90 00:04:08,333 --> 00:04:11,300 [Keisha] Chris--baby! Baby! 91 00:04:13,333 --> 00:04:17,200 [Judge Acker] Was the defendant's husband ultimately able to flee and evade you? 92 00:04:17,266 --> 00:04:20,100 [Luke] Yes. As you can see in the video, he's a fast runner. 93 00:04:20,166 --> 00:04:21,600 He was very quick, so he was able to get away. 94 00:04:21,667 --> 00:04:23,967 [Judge Acker] Did you witness any of your agents 95 00:04:24,033 --> 00:04:27,000 interacting with the defendant or her children? 96 00:04:27,066 --> 00:04:30,266 Uh, I was not there at the time, I was over an hour away 97 00:04:30,332 --> 00:04:32,433 and could not get there in time so I told them... 98 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:33,500 - Hold on. - ... I told them from... 99 00:04:33,567 --> 00:04:36,332 [Judge Acker] I note, sir, that subsequent to that interaction, 100 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,200 you actually apologized to the defendant for the conduct of your agent. 101 00:04:41,266 --> 00:04:44,300 Why were you apologizing to her, and what did that agent do? 102 00:04:44,367 --> 00:04:46,867 [Luke] Uh, there was one agent that made a comment 103 00:04:46,933 --> 00:04:48,900 that shouldn't have been said in this profess... 104 00:04:48,967 --> 00:04:50,233 [Judge Acker] What was the comment? 105 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:52,467 Um, basically, you know, "If you get in the vehicle, 106 00:04:52,533 --> 00:04:54,500 I'll shoot you," to Mr. Patterson. 107 00:04:54,567 --> 00:04:55,700 [Judge Acker] In front of the defendant's 108 00:04:55,767 --> 00:04:58,400 seven-year-old child and her ten-year-old child. 109 00:04:58,467 --> 00:04:59,533 [Luke] Yes, Your Honor. 110 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,500 [Judge Acker] Now also in this letter, you advised the defendant 111 00:05:02,567 --> 00:05:04,300 that she was going to be responsible, 112 00:05:04,367 --> 00:05:05,800 - at that time... - [Luke] Uh-hmm. 113 00:05:05,867 --> 00:05:10,000 [Judge Acker] ... for the full $40,000 bond for which she signed. 114 00:05:10,066 --> 00:05:13,133 Had the township or municipality assessed that 115 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,834 against the surety that you represented? 116 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:17,133 [Luke] They were-- they were in the process of that. 117 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,133 And it's a tactic we use to put pressure 118 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,800 on individuals and debitors to assist in, 119 00:05:23,867 --> 00:05:26,934 uh, getting people who run to turn themselves in. 120 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,033 [Judge Acker] Sure, because I think you probably knew. 121 00:05:29,100 --> 00:05:30,433 I don't think it was a surprise. 122 00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:33,967 And so they were exerting some pressure to try to make sure 123 00:05:34,033 --> 00:05:35,100 that you didn't help them again. 124 00:05:35,166 --> 00:05:36,166 - Is that right, sir? - Yes, Your Honor. 125 00:05:36,233 --> 00:05:37,233 [Judge Acker] Is that where you were going with that? 126 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:38,300 - Yes, Your Honor. - Can I speak, Your Honor? 127 00:05:38,367 --> 00:05:40,000 - [Judge Acker] You may. - Yes. So I wasn't-- 128 00:05:40,066 --> 00:05:42,367 we were not together at the time, um, as I explained. 129 00:05:42,433 --> 00:05:45,600 And Luke would know that because he was following me for a while. 130 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:49,567 I became more of the suspect than my husband. 131 00:05:49,633 --> 00:05:51,933 When I left Dollar General, I went straight to my mother's house 132 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,166 because I was in distraught, my kids were crying. 133 00:05:54,233 --> 00:05:58,200 I was probably there for about 30 minutes, um, and then after that, 134 00:05:58,266 --> 00:06:01,200 Luke and his team came over there. 135 00:06:01,266 --> 00:06:04,367 My mother can vouch for that, um, she's here as well. 136 00:06:04,433 --> 00:06:08,166 [Judge Acker] After that incident, there's another situation where you, 137 00:06:08,233 --> 00:06:11,333 uh, are with your husband and your children at a motel. 138 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,200 - Yeah. So... - [Judge Acker] And the plaintiff 139 00:06:13,266 --> 00:06:15,233 and his team track you down there. 140 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,066 We've got footage of that as well. 141 00:06:18,133 --> 00:06:20,100 May we play the raw video, please? 142 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:26,033 [Luke] So at this time, Your Honor, uh, I'm inside with the local PD 143 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:29,533 and two other agents, and I had two agents outside. 144 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,200 And when he jumped out, uh, they hit him with rubber rounds. 145 00:06:33,266 --> 00:06:36,066 Myself and one of the police officers were kicking on the door 146 00:06:36,133 --> 00:06:38,033 to get it open when we heard the shot. 147 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:41,000 Uh, I proceed out and local PD follows. 148 00:06:41,066 --> 00:06:44,367 Local PD was backing us up because of the possibility of him 149 00:06:44,433 --> 00:06:45,800 being armed again. 150 00:06:45,867 --> 00:06:47,400 [Judge Acker] Did you pull guns on her children? 151 00:06:47,467 --> 00:06:48,600 [Keisha] You can see it through the window, Your Honor. 152 00:06:48,667 --> 00:06:50,600 [Luke] Not on her children, Your Honor. We... 153 00:06:50,667 --> 00:06:52,800 This is a dangerous job. I mean, uh... 154 00:06:52,867 --> 00:06:54,367 - [Judge Acker] No doubt. - [Luke] ... we--I've had guns 155 00:06:54,433 --> 00:06:57,000 - pulled on me multiple times, knives. - [Judge Acker] Fair. I... 156 00:06:57,066 --> 00:06:58,633 - People who have been shot. - [Judge Acker] ... am not here 157 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:02,367 to examine you on the hazards of your hazardous profession. 158 00:07:02,433 --> 00:07:05,133 But the defendant had some very specific concerns 159 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,667 about the way in which you engaged 160 00:07:06,734 --> 00:07:09,700 with her seven-year-old and her ten-year-old. 161 00:07:09,767 --> 00:07:11,200 - You've got a daughter as well... - I have a... 162 00:07:11,266 --> 00:07:12,367 - [Judge Acker] ... or the two boys? - ... stepdaughter 163 00:07:12,433 --> 00:07:13,700 and two children of my own. 164 00:07:13,767 --> 00:07:14,834 [Judge Acker] How old is your stepdaughter? 165 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:16,033 [Keisha] She just turned 13. 166 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:18,934 And we were told, "Do not move, do not go anywhere." 167 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,633 There were agents inside of the hotel room. 168 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:21,734 Your Honor... 169 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,967 [Judge Acker] You take this job seriously. 170 00:07:23,033 --> 00:07:24,033 Yes, Your Honor. 171 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:25,133 [Judge Acker] Because it's a serious job... 172 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,200 - [Luke] Yes, Your Honor. - ... with lots of occupational hazards. 173 00:07:27,266 --> 00:07:28,533 - [Luke] Yes, Your Honor. - [Judge Acker] So I wanna see 174 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,367 - the TikTok video that you made of... - Okay. 175 00:07:30,433 --> 00:07:31,900 [Judge Acker] ... the defendant's husband being shot. 176 00:07:31,967 --> 00:07:33,433 - If I--if I can... - [Judge Acker] No. First, let's look... 177 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:34,767 - Okay. - [Judge Acker] ... at the TikTok video, 178 00:07:34,834 --> 00:07:37,200 and then I will, uh, come back to you, sir. 179 00:07:38,867 --> 00:07:41,467 I'll note for the record that you set this to some music, 180 00:07:41,533 --> 00:07:44,567 but since there are copyright issues with the music, we can't play it here. 181 00:07:44,633 --> 00:07:46,533 But you were kind of making a little music video. 182 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,400 [Keisha] Yeah. My child found this video because I... 183 00:07:49,467 --> 00:07:53,400 He uses my phone, he plays on my phone, and I had a TikTok notification. 184 00:07:53,467 --> 00:07:55,700 Luke popped up as a person you may know. 185 00:07:55,767 --> 00:07:59,767 And he clicked it, he scrolled down the page, and he seen his father. 186 00:07:59,834 --> 00:08:02,367 And he brought it to me, and he was crying. 187 00:08:02,433 --> 00:08:05,133 [Judge Acker] Do you think that TikTok video was appropriate? 188 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,934 [Luke] We do that, Your Honor, just to deter people. 189 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,200 I'm also a pastor. 190 00:08:10,266 --> 00:08:12,900 - I got into this business to help people. - [Judge Acker] Wait, wait. 191 00:08:12,967 --> 00:08:16,633 If you think that represents due care and professionalism 192 00:08:16,700 --> 00:08:19,567 as a recovery agent or bail agent, 193 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:21,000 - I'm not even thinking about the fact... - [Luke] Well, Your... 194 00:08:21,066 --> 00:08:23,000 [Judge Acker] ... that you're telling us now you're a man of God. 195 00:08:23,066 --> 00:08:27,633 [Luke] Well, Your Honor, the children were there both instances. 196 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:30,233 I mean, it's not like they found it on their own. 197 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:32,900 They actually witnessed it, and to the fact they're saying 198 00:08:32,967 --> 00:08:35,866 that we had weapons pulled on her in the hotel room, 199 00:08:35,933 --> 00:08:38,834 local PD were the ones that remained indoors 200 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:42,433 and none of us ever entered in to, uh, that room. 201 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:44,533 [Judge Acker] There's one more video that, uh, 202 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,700 the court would like to see before I pass the case. 203 00:08:50,467 --> 00:08:52,500 [man] [indistinct] 204 00:08:52,567 --> 00:08:55,000 [child crying] 205 00:08:59,867 --> 00:09:01,900 [Luke] That's not my video, Your Honor. 206 00:09:01,967 --> 00:09:03,800 - That's not even from my TikTok account. - [Judge Acker] No. 207 00:09:03,867 --> 00:09:05,367 I'm not suggesting that. 208 00:09:05,433 --> 00:09:09,333 But I just query whether or not your conduct in this case was appropriate. 209 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,567 - Well, Your Honor... - Judge DiMango? 210 00:09:10,633 --> 00:09:11,633 - ... I think they... - [Judge DiMango] I have to say 211 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:15,066 that I wouldn't be as easy on you because all of this, 212 00:09:15,133 --> 00:09:17,900 your children crying, your children in a hotel room, 213 00:09:17,967 --> 00:09:20,900 you knew that these people were in pursuit of your husband, 214 00:09:20,967 --> 00:09:23,834 - and you're hiding him as well. - I was not. 215 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:25,200 [Judge DiMango] And don't tell me you're not. 216 00:09:25,266 --> 00:09:26,600 You know what? The whole baloney about, 217 00:09:26,667 --> 00:09:29,100 "Oh, my husband and I broke up," you didn't break up. 218 00:09:29,166 --> 00:09:31,033 You took off so that they couldn't track him 219 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:32,100 - through you. - That's not true. 220 00:09:32,165 --> 00:09:33,667 [Judge DiMango] And that's why you separated. 221 00:09:33,734 --> 00:09:36,767 No, I know you're gonna say no. But I don't believe you for a second. 222 00:09:36,834 --> 00:09:40,266 When I hear a mother say, "Oh, my children, my children..." 223 00:09:40,333 --> 00:09:43,934 What are you doing with a felon who's absconded from court, 224 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,900 knowing that people are in pursuit of him, 225 00:09:45,967 --> 00:09:47,934 and you're taking your children around with him? 226 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,934 I took my children to my cousin's house in Terre Haute. 227 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,700 [Judge DiMango] No, you were in a hotel room. 228 00:09:51,767 --> 00:09:52,800 - [Keisha] That's where I slept. - [Judge DiMango] Are you gonna tell me 229 00:09:52,867 --> 00:09:54,934 he dragged you there at gunpoint with you and the kids? 230 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,033 - He wasn't... - [Keisha] No, he wasn't with me. 231 00:09:56,100 --> 00:09:58,033 He did not ride with me or my children to Terre Haute. 232 00:09:58,100 --> 00:09:59,567 [Judge DiMango] Of course he doesn't have to ride with you. 233 00:09:59,633 --> 00:10:02,166 - I mean, you know what bothers me? - [Keisha] Yes. 234 00:10:02,233 --> 00:10:05,300 You think if you tell the stupid lies that you continue to tell, 235 00:10:05,367 --> 00:10:07,900 that people are gonna say, "Oh, now I get it. 236 00:10:07,967 --> 00:10:10,934 I feel so badly for you." I feel badly for your kids. 237 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,767 You know why? Because your husband had a gun once before. 238 00:10:13,834 --> 00:10:16,333 What if, while they were pursuing him in this, 239 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,934 that he left the gun in the room with your three kids? 240 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,800 What if they picked it up and they thought they were gonna 241 00:10:20,867 --> 00:10:23,033 protect their father because they wanna protect their father? 242 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:25,567 [Keisha] Your Honor, with all due respect, those are just assumptions. 243 00:10:25,633 --> 00:10:27,967 I mean, honestly, this gentleman has traumatized 244 00:10:28,033 --> 00:10:29,100 not only my children but myself. 245 00:10:29,166 --> 00:10:30,567 [Judge DiMango] You traumatized your kids. 246 00:10:30,633 --> 00:10:32,667 I have not traumatized my children. 247 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:36,500 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 248 00:10:36,567 --> 00:10:38,600 [Judge Levy] He warranted about a half dozen times, 249 00:10:38,667 --> 00:10:41,500 and this is the guy you thought was a good idea 250 00:10:41,567 --> 00:10:43,600 to post bail when he didn't show up again? 251 00:10:43,667 --> 00:10:45,400 - What you don't understand, people... - Did you think that was a good idea? 252 00:10:45,467 --> 00:10:47,500 - [Keisha] People... - Did you think that was a good idea? 253 00:10:47,567 --> 00:10:49,066 [dramatic musical sting] 254 00:10:50,633 --> 00:10:52,767 [theme music plays] 255 00:10:52,834 --> 00:10:54,333 [announcer] Bounty hunter Luke Medlin 256 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,165 is suing Keisha Patterson for almost $5,000. 257 00:10:58,233 --> 00:11:00,734 Luke says after Keisha's husband skipped bail, 258 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,700 Keisha is responsible for all recovery fees. 259 00:11:03,767 --> 00:11:06,934 Keisha claims she signed with a different bail bond service 260 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,000 and doesn't owe Luke anything. 261 00:11:09,066 --> 00:11:11,500 He is in a position where he's tracking down 262 00:11:11,567 --> 00:11:14,233 - a fugitive from justice who is... - [Keisha] He didn't track the fugitive. 263 00:11:14,300 --> 00:11:16,400 - He tracked me, Your Honor. - [Judge DiMango] He could only... 264 00:11:16,467 --> 00:11:18,266 - He followed me. - [Judge DiMango] He could only... 265 00:11:18,333 --> 00:11:19,333 - He knew where... - [Judge DiMango] ... find him... 266 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,500 - ... he knew where to... - [Judge DiMango] ... by following you, 267 00:11:20,567 --> 00:11:26,033 and you, in signing the documents, agreed to have trackers, to be followed. 268 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:28,133 You agreed. You took off, 269 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,567 you absconded so you could protect and hide him. 270 00:11:31,633 --> 00:11:33,233 - And you had your children with you. - [Keisha] That is not true. 271 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:36,066 And this baloney-- I loved your first sentence in here, 272 00:11:36,133 --> 00:11:39,734 when you wrote, "In 2021, my husband caught his first case." 273 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:40,900 I don't know if that's true or not. 274 00:11:40,967 --> 00:11:42,667 "After he was arrested, I bailed him out. 275 00:11:42,734 --> 00:11:45,133 They texted him every week. 276 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,133 It was like being on probation. 277 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,633 It was annoying." I mean, really? 278 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:53,333 The guy is being released on bail, $40,000 bail. 279 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,767 And you're annoyed that they wanna keep track of their money and him? 280 00:11:57,834 --> 00:12:00,066 [Keisha] It wasn't Luke, and Luke was not a part of the company 281 00:12:00,133 --> 00:12:01,567 at the time that I signed the contract. 282 00:12:01,633 --> 00:12:02,834 That's the thing. 283 00:12:02,900 --> 00:12:04,300 It seems like I'm being attacked. 284 00:12:04,367 --> 00:12:05,367 - [Judge DiMango] You are. - The same way he's been attacked. 285 00:12:05,433 --> 00:12:06,467 [Judge DiMango] You are being attacked by me right now 286 00:12:06,533 --> 00:12:07,734 and I'll tell you why. 287 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,500 Because I don't believe 99% of what you say. 288 00:12:12,567 --> 00:12:15,367 The bottom line is, why don't you owe him the money? 289 00:12:15,433 --> 00:12:18,066 [Keisha] He caught him before the 365 days. 290 00:12:18,133 --> 00:12:19,400 [Judge DiMango] Three hundred and sixty-five days? 291 00:12:19,467 --> 00:12:21,567 - That's why you're not keeping 100%? - [Luke] If I... 292 00:12:21,633 --> 00:12:22,700 They're keeping 80%. 293 00:12:22,767 --> 00:12:23,767 [Luke] ... if I may interject, Your Honor. 294 00:12:23,834 --> 00:12:25,967 So we were getting close to that 365 days 295 00:12:26,033 --> 00:12:28,133 where she was gonna have to pay the full amount 296 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,367 - plus our recovery fees, uh... - [Judge DiMango] Correct. 297 00:12:30,433 --> 00:12:31,467 - ... when we... - [Judge DiMango] On top of that. 298 00:12:31,533 --> 00:12:32,533 Yes. Yes. 299 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,934 [Judge DiMango] Do you understand what he's telling you? 300 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,800 You paid $4,000 when the bond was set, right? 301 00:12:36,867 --> 00:12:38,467 - Then the surety gets involved. - Uh-huh. 302 00:12:38,533 --> 00:12:41,800 [Judge DiMango] They say they're going to cover this $40,000 bail... 303 00:12:41,867 --> 00:12:43,100 - [Keisha] Uh-hmm. - ... but your husband has to appear 304 00:12:43,165 --> 00:12:45,233 in court on the dates given. 305 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:47,767 He appears in court until he's supposed to be sentenced. 306 00:12:47,834 --> 00:12:49,900 - Well, how much jail was he gonna do? - [Keisha] Ten years. 307 00:12:49,967 --> 00:12:51,165 - [Judge DiMango] Ten years? - Yeah. That has... 308 00:12:51,233 --> 00:12:52,600 - No wonder he didn't want to... - [Keisha] ... nothing to do with me... 309 00:12:52,667 --> 00:12:53,667 - ... go to court for ten years? - [Keisha] ... Your Honor. 310 00:12:53,734 --> 00:12:55,333 Respectfully, you keep trying to make it seem 311 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,700 like I have to make decisions for my husband. 312 00:12:57,767 --> 00:12:58,867 - No, no. You... - He's grown, 313 00:12:58,934 --> 00:13:01,667 and that's why I separated from him because we didn't see eye to eye... 314 00:13:01,734 --> 00:13:03,133 - [Judge DiMango] You do... - ... on a lot of different things. 315 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,533 - What I was trying to... - [Judge DiMango] I'm gonna stop you 316 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,900 a second because you're just babbling the same nonsense to me 317 00:13:06,967 --> 00:13:08,133 over and over again. 318 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,500 There's nothing in this that indicates to me 319 00:13:10,567 --> 00:13:13,967 that you left your husband because he knew exactly where you were, 320 00:13:14,033 --> 00:13:15,400 when he was looking for you. 321 00:13:15,467 --> 00:13:17,800 You agreed to do things with him and the kids. 322 00:13:17,867 --> 00:13:21,000 You are much as part of his fleeing as he was. 323 00:13:21,066 --> 00:13:24,000 And I am appalled all the time when I see what people 324 00:13:24,066 --> 00:13:26,166 do with their children and what they wanna do 325 00:13:26,233 --> 00:13:27,600 and how they wanna turn around 326 00:13:27,667 --> 00:13:29,133 and blame everybody else for their plight in life. 327 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,200 At the end of the day, I'm gonna be a mother to my child. 328 00:13:30,266 --> 00:13:31,266 [Judge DiMango] I don't have anything else to say to you. 329 00:13:31,333 --> 00:13:32,333 At the end of the day-- and you don't have to... 330 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,400 - [Judge DiMango] Judge Levy. - ... say anything to me. 331 00:13:33,467 --> 00:13:35,600 And I think that it's very highly disrespectful that you sit here 332 00:13:35,667 --> 00:13:38,233 and allow these type of things that you've seen on the video, 333 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:40,834 that you think that that's okay for a person to do all because... 334 00:13:40,900 --> 00:13:41,900 I don't think I mentioned the video... 335 00:13:41,967 --> 00:13:42,967 [Keisha] ... their father made a few mistakes. 336 00:13:43,033 --> 00:13:44,533 [Judge DiMango] ... once. Judge Levy. 337 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,700 [Judge Levy] Ms. Patterson, 338 00:13:45,767 --> 00:13:48,967 you share a ten-year-old child with your husband. 339 00:13:49,033 --> 00:13:50,066 Yes. 340 00:13:50,133 --> 00:13:52,767 So you've known him since at least 2013. 341 00:13:52,834 --> 00:13:53,834 [Keisha] Yes. 342 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:56,734 [Judge Levy] Prior to having a child with him, did you know him? 343 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,500 Um, I knew of him. 344 00:13:58,567 --> 00:14:01,734 [Judge Levy] And according to you, and your answer and your truth is that, 345 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,400 in 2021, your husband caught his first case. 346 00:14:04,467 --> 00:14:05,600 That's what you wrote. 347 00:14:05,667 --> 00:14:10,166 [Keisha] So, this is his first case as far as, um, like, not juvenile. 348 00:14:10,233 --> 00:14:11,633 Like more, you know, adult DOC. 349 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:13,867 - [Judge Levy] Okay. - Facing actual, like, DOC time. 350 00:14:13,934 --> 00:14:17,367 [Judge Levy] Okay. Now when you signed off on this bond, 351 00:14:17,433 --> 00:14:19,500 did you think he was gonna come back to court when you signed that? 352 00:14:19,567 --> 00:14:21,500 Honestly, no. Uh, um... 353 00:14:21,567 --> 00:14:22,633 - No? - Yes and no. 354 00:14:22,700 --> 00:14:26,867 And I'll explain, 'cause he was going to court prior to that. Um... 355 00:14:26,934 --> 00:14:29,033 [Judge Levy] And there was nothing in his background that indicated 356 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:32,066 that he would not follow instructions of the court, right? 357 00:14:32,133 --> 00:14:33,500 - No. - [Judge Levy] Good. 358 00:14:33,567 --> 00:14:35,433 - I'm gonna tell you my truth. - [Keisha] That's fine. 359 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:39,233 [Judge Levy] Valentine's Day 2013, your husband got arrested 360 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:42,233 - for carrying a gun without a license. - Uh-hmm. 361 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:44,567 [Judge Levy] He failed to appear. Warrant was issued. 362 00:14:44,633 --> 00:14:45,800 He surrendered. 363 00:14:45,867 --> 00:14:49,800 He failed to appear again, warrant issued, bail forfeited. 364 00:14:49,867 --> 00:14:55,367 He was convicted of carrying a gun without a license on October 18th, 2013 365 00:14:55,433 --> 00:14:59,000 and sentenced for some crazy reason to probation. 366 00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:00,834 - You know about that. - [Keisha] We were kids. 367 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,500 [Judge Levy] I don't care. You knew about that. 368 00:15:02,567 --> 00:15:05,166 - Right. Okay. - [Judge Levy] Great. May 2014, 369 00:15:05,233 --> 00:15:10,066 while on probation for carrying a gun, he got arrested for a new robbery. 370 00:15:10,133 --> 00:15:11,567 - You knew that, right? - Uh-hmm. 371 00:15:11,633 --> 00:15:14,233 [Judge Levy] Yeah. And he failed to appear again, 372 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:17,700 and a warrant was issued, and he had to be apprehended. 373 00:15:17,767 --> 00:15:22,000 And for some reason, he was restored to probation 374 00:15:22,066 --> 00:15:24,300 and not put in the clink where he belonged. 375 00:15:24,367 --> 00:15:25,367 [Keisha chuckles] 376 00:15:25,433 --> 00:15:27,800 [Judge Levy] And a violation of probation was filed. 377 00:15:27,867 --> 00:15:29,734 He failed to appear again. 378 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,667 A warrant was issued again. 379 00:15:31,734 --> 00:15:32,967 You know all this, right? 380 00:15:33,033 --> 00:15:34,533 - Yes, Your Honor. - [Judge Levy] Of course you do. 381 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,165 He was offered the opportunity to serve one year in jail, in home confinement. 382 00:15:39,233 --> 00:15:40,900 He couldn't even do that. 383 00:15:40,967 --> 00:15:46,233 A violation was filed and he got sentenced to county jail September 29th, 2016. 384 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:48,567 - You were aware of that, right? - [Keisha] Why are we talking about him? 385 00:15:48,633 --> 00:15:49,633 [Judge Levy] You were up... 386 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:50,700 This is--this is what I'm not understanding. 387 00:15:50,767 --> 00:15:52,967 [Judge Levy] Listen. He was arrested for his second gun case 388 00:15:53,033 --> 00:15:56,165 - and dealing methamphetamine, right? - [Luke] Yes, Your Honor. 389 00:15:56,233 --> 00:15:58,266 - [Judge Levy] You knew that, right? - [Keisha] I don't know anything. 390 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:01,667 [Judge Levy] That's why the judge issued $40,000 bond 391 00:16:01,734 --> 00:16:03,834 because he caught his second gun case. 392 00:16:03,900 --> 00:16:05,633 He'd already been to jail. 393 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:07,834 He warranted about a half a dozen times. 394 00:16:07,900 --> 00:16:12,000 And this is the guy you thought was a good idea to post bail 395 00:16:12,066 --> 00:16:16,066 and to put your name on this dotted line, that you were gonna be responsible 396 00:16:16,133 --> 00:16:17,567 when he didn't show up again. 397 00:16:17,633 --> 00:16:19,467 - You thought that was a good idea? - But you don't understand. People are-- 398 00:16:19,533 --> 00:16:20,533 [Judge Levy] Did you think that was a good idea? 399 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,600 People... 400 00:16:21,667 --> 00:16:22,667 [Judge Levy] Did you think that was a good idea? 401 00:16:22,734 --> 00:16:24,233 - You know what? Answer your own question. - [Judge Levy] Good. 402 00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:25,300 - Answer your own question. - [Judge Levy] So now we have-- 403 00:16:25,367 --> 00:16:26,367 - I'm not going there. - [Judge Levy] So now we have him... 404 00:16:26,433 --> 00:16:28,433 - I'm not going... - [Judge Levy] ... he was convicted 405 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:31,300 and for some reason, sentencing was adjourned 406 00:16:31,367 --> 00:16:34,900 despite the fact that they had offered him ten years 407 00:16:34,967 --> 00:16:36,300 thinking he was gonna come back. 408 00:16:36,367 --> 00:16:37,867 What'd they think he was gonna do? 409 00:16:37,934 --> 00:16:41,567 Run. To put you and your agents in harm's way. 410 00:16:41,633 --> 00:16:44,400 He bail-jumped. You know who helped him? 411 00:16:44,467 --> 00:16:46,266 You did. So you know what you were? 412 00:16:46,333 --> 00:16:47,533 A conspirator. 413 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,333 And then finally, I wanna play back this video with your kid crying. 414 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,300 - You think that's funny? - [Judge Levy] I don't think it's funny. 415 00:16:53,367 --> 00:16:54,900 - I think it's sick. - [Keisha] What type of judge are you? 416 00:16:54,967 --> 00:16:56,367 [Judge Levy] So let's understand. 417 00:16:56,433 --> 00:16:59,934 We have July 15th, 2023. You know that these guys 418 00:17:00,066 --> 00:17:03,033 were out looking for him at the general store with guns. 419 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:07,000 You're there. And then you, for some strange reason, 420 00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:10,032 think that the smart thing to do is to keep him, 421 00:17:10,099 --> 00:17:12,400 - hide him in the hotel room... - [Keisha] I did not hide him. 422 00:17:12,467 --> 00:17:14,666 ... with your kids, knowing that there are bail... 423 00:17:14,733 --> 00:17:16,834 - At Dollar General... - ... bondsmen with guns 424 00:17:16,900 --> 00:17:17,967 looking for him, and you're surprised... 425 00:17:18,032 --> 00:17:19,032 [Keisha] At Dollar General, they took my kids... 426 00:17:19,099 --> 00:17:20,165 - ... that your kids are doing this? - ... was the first time 427 00:17:20,233 --> 00:17:21,233 - I ever met Luke and his team. - [Judge Levy] You know something? 428 00:17:21,300 --> 00:17:22,300 Let me tell you something. 429 00:17:22,367 --> 00:17:23,367 [Keisha] I hope that [indistinct]. 430 00:17:23,433 --> 00:17:24,567 [Judge Levy] Would've happened? He has what looks... 431 00:17:24,633 --> 00:17:25,800 - [Keisha] That's fine. - ... to be a gun in his hand. 432 00:17:25,867 --> 00:17:26,900 - [Keisha] That's fine. - The police fire... 433 00:17:26,967 --> 00:17:29,266 - He did not [indistinct]. - ... in the room and your kids get hit. 434 00:17:29,333 --> 00:17:30,433 - So where's the gun? - Your kids get hit. 435 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:31,800 Where's the gun? Where's the gun charge? 436 00:17:31,867 --> 00:17:32,867 - Where's the gun charge? - [Judge Levy] Oh, my God. 437 00:17:32,934 --> 00:17:33,934 You looked up his charges, where's the gun charge? 438 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,133 I--you know what? 439 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,200 [Judge DiMango] That's why I gave it to you. 440 00:17:36,266 --> 00:17:37,266 - Yeah, you know what? - [Keisha] Honestly. 441 00:17:37,333 --> 00:17:38,934 This is the problem. Never in a million years will she get it. 442 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,000 - Never. - [Judge DiMango] No. 443 00:17:40,066 --> 00:17:42,000 Never. I'm done. 444 00:17:42,066 --> 00:17:43,834 [Judge Acker] I wanna ask a couple of questions. 445 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:45,934 - Yes. - Ma'am, would you like to take the stand? 446 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,166 Sure. 447 00:17:47,233 --> 00:17:49,000 [Judge Acker] Could you please state your name for the record? 448 00:17:49,066 --> 00:17:50,667 Shawn Overton. 449 00:17:50,734 --> 00:17:52,367 And what's your relationship to the defendant? 450 00:17:52,433 --> 00:17:53,433 I'm her mother. 451 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:56,734 [Judge Acker] And what firsthand evidence or testimony do you have to offer 452 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,834 about the events that took place in this case? 453 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:03,200 Uh, the same date, um, at the general store, 454 00:18:03,266 --> 00:18:06,033 Keisha and the kids later came over to my home. 455 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:09,600 Luke and his guys were out there in my driveway, 456 00:18:09,667 --> 00:18:12,567 and they asked if they could speak with Keisha at that time, 457 00:18:12,633 --> 00:18:13,700 and I went out with her. 458 00:18:13,767 --> 00:18:15,867 And, um, Luke was nice. 459 00:18:15,934 --> 00:18:21,200 He started out real nice and he said that, "We are here because we're trying to, 460 00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:24,834 you know, get your husband and if you'd just tell him 461 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:27,600 to turn himself in, I would even vouch and speak 462 00:18:27,667 --> 00:18:31,500 with the judge myself." At that time, we were listening to him. 463 00:18:31,567 --> 00:18:34,734 Okay, we've been telling him, you know, uh, we're gonna... 464 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,533 "You need to turn yourself in," 'cause I've been-- 465 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,100 stopped him from coming to my house as well 466 00:18:38,166 --> 00:18:40,433 when I heard that he didn't go to court. 467 00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:41,633 I cut him off. 468 00:18:41,700 --> 00:18:45,066 But at the same time, he had two other guys with him. 469 00:18:45,133 --> 00:18:47,500 And my fiance was sitting out on the back deck. 470 00:18:47,567 --> 00:18:52,233 I made myself to the back deck, and there we find his guy holding a gun 471 00:18:52,300 --> 00:18:56,700 at my fiance from the side of the house just pointing a gun. 472 00:18:56,767 --> 00:18:58,033 Why? 473 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:01,533 He doesn't look like the-- uh, her husband at all. 474 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:02,667 Why? 475 00:19:02,734 --> 00:19:06,266 [Luke] Your Honor, when we approached the house, you know, 476 00:19:06,333 --> 00:19:11,934 again, this was just after the incident, and so we were--we have to be cautious. 477 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,400 So they didn't point the gun. 478 00:19:13,467 --> 00:19:15,266 They just had their weapon drawn 479 00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:16,934 until they properly identified 480 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,567 - who was on the back porch. - That's incorrect. 481 00:19:18,633 --> 00:19:20,667 There was no holding anybody at gunpoint. 482 00:19:20,734 --> 00:19:22,834 It was until we could verify 483 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:25,667 that it wasn't the individual we were looking for. 484 00:19:25,734 --> 00:19:28,133 [Judge Acker] The plaintiff's testimony is that it was drawn, 485 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,033 because they weren't yet sure who was whom. 486 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:34,834 And when you're looking for a fugitive, you wanna take precautions. 487 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:36,600 I don't have anything else. 488 00:19:36,667 --> 00:19:37,934 [Judge DiMango] We're gonna retire to deliberate. 489 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,133 - Ma'am, you can resume your seat. - Thank you. Thanks, ma'am. 490 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,200 [Byrd] Court now stands in recess. 491 00:19:42,266 --> 00:19:46,066 This case will be recalled. Parties are excused. 492 00:19:46,133 --> 00:19:48,700 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 493 00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:50,467 Can't say I'm entirely comfortable 494 00:19:50,533 --> 00:19:52,533 with a bounty hunter showing up and saying, 495 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,500 "I'm looking for somebody, so I'm gonna pull guns on everybody." 496 00:19:55,567 --> 00:19:59,033 I think the TikTok video was tasteless and troubling. 497 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:00,433 [dramatic musical sting] 498 00:20:02,567 --> 00:20:04,700 [dramatic musical sting] 499 00:20:04,767 --> 00:20:07,166 I can't say I'm entirely comfortable 500 00:20:07,233 --> 00:20:09,467 with a bounty hunter showing up and saying, 501 00:20:09,533 --> 00:20:12,300 "I'm looking for somebody, so I'm gonna pull guns on everybody." 502 00:20:12,367 --> 00:20:14,100 I don't think it's appropriate. 503 00:20:14,166 --> 00:20:17,600 I think the TikTok video was tasteless and troubling. 504 00:20:17,667 --> 00:20:21,033 That said, I think part of the defendant's defense 505 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:23,333 is really just premised on the misunderstanding 506 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,633 of what he's empowered and entitled to do and what her contractual obligations were. 507 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:31,333 She entered into a contract with the surety. 508 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,100 He's the surety's representative. 509 00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:34,500 - And so I think she kind... - She can't get that through her head. 510 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:38,433 Yeah, I think she really got caught up in that, which is just wrong. 511 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:42,100 But I am certainly not prepared to give him court costs, 512 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,800 because that $104, that's with respect to this case. 513 00:20:45,867 --> 00:20:49,266 You know, the travel costs of $500, let's discuss. 514 00:20:49,333 --> 00:20:51,367 The research, no receipt. 515 00:20:51,433 --> 00:20:53,133 But again, you know, if you think about the fact 516 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,133 that the defendant's husband didn't appear in December, 517 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,467 so it's eight months later that they're looking for him, 518 00:20:58,533 --> 00:21:00,667 you know that they've gotta look into the family, 519 00:21:00,734 --> 00:21:02,200 they've gotta find who the relatives are. 520 00:21:02,266 --> 00:21:03,300 Surveillance alone. 521 00:21:03,367 --> 00:21:04,433 [Judge Acker] They have to do surveillance. 522 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:05,700 And, you know, look, she doesn't get it. 523 00:21:05,767 --> 00:21:07,433 When you sign for bail, 524 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:10,333 you're making yourself responsible for someone. 525 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,800 And so her confusion over why we were going 526 00:21:13,867 --> 00:21:16,400 into some of those issues I think is unwarranted. 527 00:21:16,467 --> 00:21:17,600 - [Judge DiMango] I mean... - You know, it's whether or not 528 00:21:17,667 --> 00:21:19,500 this was a good risk. He was not a good risk. 529 00:21:19,567 --> 00:21:22,767 [Judge DiMango] I think that when you have two prior felony gun convictions, 530 00:21:22,834 --> 00:21:26,333 facing a third with a drug component to it, 531 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,200 they had every reason to believe that he was a persistent felony... 532 00:21:29,266 --> 00:21:30,266 - Correct. - ... offender... 533 00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:32,066 - Correct. - ... looking at a life imprisonment, 534 00:21:32,133 --> 00:21:33,133 which I think, you know, 535 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,967 certainly does enhance anybody's flight risk. 536 00:21:37,033 --> 00:21:39,800 And the bottom line is, I think that he's entitled 537 00:21:39,867 --> 00:21:44,433 to everything that you said minus the $104 or whatever for the court fees. 538 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:47,967 And she should really be more concerned with her children than herself. 539 00:21:48,033 --> 00:21:51,967 Uh-hmm. She lacks the capacity, for whatever reason, 540 00:21:52,033 --> 00:21:55,867 to look inward and say, "I knew better," you know? 541 00:21:55,934 --> 00:21:59,834 They came to the general store all with guns drawn. 542 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:03,834 They pulled a gun on my Uncle Harry on the porch. 543 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:07,800 She, the defendant, knows that that's mentally 544 00:22:07,867 --> 00:22:09,700 where the plaintiff and his team are. 545 00:22:09,767 --> 00:22:14,934 And now they're about to go into a room where they don't wanna get ambushed by him 546 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,066 and they're already on a hair trigger. 547 00:22:17,133 --> 00:22:19,166 You have law enforcement there with them. 548 00:22:19,233 --> 00:22:22,133 How many cases have we heard about over the years 549 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,467 where young African-American men who are not armed 550 00:22:25,533 --> 00:22:27,800 - but they have a comb, they have... - A phone. 551 00:22:27,867 --> 00:22:31,133 ... a phone, that a police officer in a--in a split second 552 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,300 misidentifies as a gun, "Pop-pop-pop!" 553 00:22:33,367 --> 00:22:34,800 And then you have two dead kids. 554 00:22:34,867 --> 00:22:36,500 Well, that's why when she was saying in there, 555 00:22:36,567 --> 00:22:37,800 "I don't know why you were all picking on me. 556 00:22:37,867 --> 00:22:40,066 I didn't commit a crime. I didn't do anything wrong." 557 00:22:40,133 --> 00:22:42,333 She was harboring a fugitive. She was endangering the welfare... 558 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,033 - And aiding and abetting a bail jumping. - ... of her children. 559 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:47,967 She was engaged in a multitude of misdemeanors and felonies. 560 00:22:48,033 --> 00:22:51,367 So, I mean, to that extent, rather than continue to argue with her, 561 00:22:51,433 --> 00:22:53,400 - it was falling on deaf ears anyway. - You're right. 562 00:22:53,467 --> 00:22:57,600 So you might as well--we just make the decision based on everything we know. 563 00:22:57,667 --> 00:22:59,967 So $4,596. 564 00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:01,100 - [Judge Levy] Done. - [Judge DiMango] Done. 565 00:23:01,166 --> 00:23:03,300 Because we are not including his court costs here. 566 00:23:03,367 --> 00:23:05,066 - Correct. - Thanks, everybody. 567 00:23:05,133 --> 00:23:08,166 [dramatic musical sting] 568 00:23:08,233 --> 00:23:09,667 [Byrd] Court is back in session. 569 00:23:09,734 --> 00:23:11,500 Parties are reminded, you're still under oath. 570 00:23:11,567 --> 00:23:12,734 - Thank you, Byrd. - Uh-hmm. 571 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,100 We've deliberated and we've reached a unanimous verdict. 572 00:23:15,166 --> 00:23:19,533 Uh, first things first, Mr. Medlin, as I indicated to you before, 573 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,400 I don't think that this is the sort of encounter that you put on TikTok. 574 00:23:23,467 --> 00:23:26,900 And, ma'am, there were a lot of troubling things that happened on your end too. 575 00:23:26,967 --> 00:23:28,667 And I'm only gonna to point to what your mother did, 576 00:23:28,734 --> 00:23:31,200 You know, what your mother did about with that husband of yours and said, 577 00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:36,300 "You can't come here," because his presence jeopardizes people. 578 00:23:36,367 --> 00:23:41,300 He put you and your family in harm's way and you let him. 579 00:23:41,367 --> 00:23:45,367 So there were things that happened here that really are not his fault, 580 00:23:45,433 --> 00:23:47,066 but they're also a bit beside the point, 581 00:23:47,133 --> 00:23:50,066 because your defense is predicated on a few things. 582 00:23:50,133 --> 00:23:53,333 First you say, "I didn't enter into this contract with him." 583 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,667 And we reject that because he was the duly appointed bail agent 584 00:23:57,734 --> 00:24:00,266 for the party with whom you did enter into the contract. 585 00:24:00,333 --> 00:24:01,633 - Uh-hmm. - [Judge Acker] And secondly, 586 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:02,934 this is a contract case. 587 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,133 It's not a criminal case. 588 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,433 He is suing you for the $4,000 under the contract. 589 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:10,367 He's entitled to that because that's what you said you would pay 590 00:24:10,433 --> 00:24:11,567 if your husband fled. 591 00:24:11,633 --> 00:24:14,967 And just one other point, you know, the reason why people were really digging 592 00:24:15,033 --> 00:24:16,500 into what your husband did, 593 00:24:16,567 --> 00:24:20,333 because it goes to your judgment in posting bail. 594 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,133 Sir, your videos actually were very good evidence of what you had to do 595 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,500 in order to recover the defendant's husband. 596 00:24:27,567 --> 00:24:30,033 You didn't have receipts, but certainly, 597 00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:33,066 I mean, for eight months trying to locate somebody, 598 00:24:33,133 --> 00:24:37,834 do that sort of surveillance, we certainly find that the evidence 599 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:41,367 in this case supports just about all of your request for relief, 600 00:24:41,433 --> 00:24:43,400 except for the $104. 601 00:24:43,467 --> 00:24:46,367 We don't award court costs, but we do think that you're entitled 602 00:24:46,433 --> 00:24:48,033 to the balance of your claim. 603 00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:53,467 So the judgment in this case is in your favor for $4,596. 604 00:24:53,533 --> 00:24:54,800 That's the judgment of the court. 605 00:24:56,133 --> 00:24:58,533 [Byrd] This case is now concluded. Parties are excused. 606 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,633 You may step out. 607 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:02,367 [theme music plays] 608 00:25:02,433 --> 00:25:03,667 I feel like if he was doing his job, 609 00:25:03,734 --> 00:25:05,000 he would've found him a long time ago. 610 00:25:05,066 --> 00:25:08,000 Definitely we know that she was aiding and abetting. 611 00:25:08,066 --> 00:25:09,834 Um, I didn't help anybody do anything. 612 00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:14,900 I really feel bad for her but, you know, her husband put her in that position. 613 00:25:14,967 --> 00:25:17,567 Um, I mean, it's like cat and mouse, you know? 614 00:25:17,633 --> 00:25:20,600 No one's above the law, so go to court and... [chuckles] 615 00:25:20,667 --> 00:25:23,100 [announcer] Did someone break an agreement? 616 00:25:23,166 --> 00:25:26,400 Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 617 00:25:26,467 --> 00:25:29,100 Find us on social media. 618 00:25:29,166 --> 00:25:32,433 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]