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This is your granddaughter
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- and her boyfriend.
- Yes.
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You were living with her.
She was supporting you.
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He never gave me--not one dollar.
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You get up in the morning, what do you do?
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- Nothing.
- Nothing.
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I helped her do a lot of things
around the house, ma'am.
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Entitled, ungrateful,
self-centered spoiled brats.
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That's what you are.
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[announcer] Now on Tribunal Justice.
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{\an8}["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]
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[announcer] Today's case was filed
in Fredonia, Wisconsin.
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{\an8}Your Honor, this is case number 2081
on the calendar
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{\an8}in the matter of Valerius
versus Mueller, Bruining.
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{\an8}- Thank you, Byrd.
- You're welcome, Judge.
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{\an8}Parties have been sworn in.
You may be seated.
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{\an8}Good morning, Ms. Valerius.
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{\an8}[Roberta] Good morning, Judge.
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{\an8}You are suing two defendants
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- in this case?
- Yes, I am.
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Defendant Brooklyn Bruining.
Brooklyn's your granddaughter.
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- Reese Mueller is her boyfriend.
- Yes.
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[Judge Acker] And your claim
against them is for unpaid rent.
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You alleged that you bought a computer
and paid for some classes for Brooklyn.
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You fronted expenses for furniture
and moving expenses for both of them,
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{\an8}and you also claim
that, uh, you bought a cell phone.
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{\an8}And the total amount
for which you're suing is $10,000.
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{\an8}Reese, you have sworn out an answer
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{\an8}- on behalf of both yourself and Brooklyn.
- Yes.
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{\an8}[Judge Acker] And you allege
that you don't owe the plaintiff any money
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{\an8}and you maintain
that she's only bringing this
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because she's angry with the two of you
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and that she's lost some degree
of power or control over Brooklyn.
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Ms. Valerius, this is your granddaughter.
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She's 19 now.
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And you raised her since she was eight.
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How did she come to live with you?
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April of 2013,
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um, things were not going well
in Michigan.
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Uh, she was placed in the care
of her father
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after a lengthy custody battle.
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And her father won custody,
and that did not work out.
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{\an8}There was domestic arguments going on.
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{\an8}And I was asked to take them in
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{\an8}because they were going to foster care.
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{\an8}[Judge Acker] When you say them,
you mean Brooklyn and her brother?
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{\an8}Yes. Her brother is, uh, 21
and Brooklyn is 19.
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I got them when they were eight and ten.
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[Judge Acker] And who else was living
with you in the home?
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[Roberta] Um, my husband.
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And I asked if he would want to raise them
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because I was told
that would be indefinite.
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My husband and I wanted to help.
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What did you do for a living, ma'am?
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I cleaned operating rooms
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and my husband ran his own,
um, auto, uh, repair business.
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When you took Brooklyn
and her brother into your home,
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were you getting any help or assistance
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- from anybody else?
- [Roberta] No.
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[Judge Acker] Just you and your husband.
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Yes.
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[Judge Acker]
And then fast forward a few years,
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uh, Brooklyn becomes a young woman
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and becomes involved with Reese
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and you allow Reese to move in with you.
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Why did that happen?
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Well, Reese lived probably
half an hour away from my home.
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I live very rural.
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{\an8}And he didn't have a car at the time
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{\an8}and he was wanting
to see Brooklyn every day.
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{\an8}So, he was coming back and forth,
back and forth.
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And neither one of his parents
could constantly provide transportation
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for him to come visit Brooklyn.
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And he wasn't working at the time,
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which troubled me
because at that time, he was 17.
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And she asked
if he could spend a couple nights.
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And a couple nights turned out
to him actually moving in.
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And I constantly demanded
for him to get a job.
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At one point, I did take him
to a temp agency and got him a job,
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and he worked that job for six weeks.
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I provided the transportation
to and from every day
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no matter what shift
they had him working on.
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And he got paid every week
and he never gave me not one dollar.
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[Judge Acker] Reese,
let's talk to you for a moment.
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When you moved in with Ms. Valerius,
you were dating Brooklyn, yes?
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Yes, ma'am.
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[Judge Acker] And it was a good thing.
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- It was nice for you...
- [Reese] Yeah.
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{\an8}- ... to be able to live there.
- Yeah.
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{\an8}[Judge Acker]
Did you ever pay her any rent?
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{\an8}No, ma'am.
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{\an8}[Judge Acker] Did you ever talk to her
about paying any rent?
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No, ma'am.
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[Judge Acker] Ms. Valerius,
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if there were no conversations
with Reese before moving in,
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how do you come up
with the $600 a month for rent?
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Because right now, your rental claim
is based on your allegation
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that they should be paying you $600
a month for a year.
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Where does that number come from?
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Was there really
a legal expectation for rent,
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or were you just hopeful
that he might, at some point,
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step up and do the right thing?
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Um, I know there wasn't
any legal discussions
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about it or nothing in writing.
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But the fact of the matter is,
when you are an adult,
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you are responsible
to make ends meet on your own.
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I had to go back to work.
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Um, my husband died January of '21
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and I was five years older
than my husband.
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I had to go back to work
to maintain a home for Brooklyn,
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and Brooklyn's mother lives with me.
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And you do what you have to do
for the people that you love.
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{\an8}And I believe
that they've taken advantage of me.
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{\an8}- Let me just interrupt you...
- [Roberta] Okay.
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{\an8}... because I wanna talk
to the two of them.
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Reese, didn't you think
that maybe you should be working
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and helping to contribute
to the household?
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I was contributing to the household.
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- I was doing household chores...
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... and I power-washed her house.
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I helped her clean out her garage.
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I helped her do a lot of things
around the house, ma'am.
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Brooklyn, did you enjoy living
with your grandmother?
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Yup.
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[Judge Acker] Now, one of the things
that she's claiming
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is that she paid for some classes for you
and for a computer.
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{\an8}Are you in school now?
Are you studying anything?
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{\an8}- No, not now.
- [Judge Acker] What were the classes for?
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{\an8}Um, my senior year of high school.
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- [Judge Acker] To get your GED?
- Yeah.
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Now, Ms. Valerius,
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when you paid for those classes
and when you bought the computer,
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did you have a legal expectation
of repayment,
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or were you instead doing those things
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because you loved her
and you wanted her to do well?
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Well, I applied
for Social Security for her.
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She has panic attacks.
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She has severe anxiety disorder.
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She's had this for a number of years
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and I did not go to Social Security
until she was 17 years old.
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{\an8}And at that point,
it took a year for them to decide
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{\an8}that Brooklyn was definitely
in need of some monies
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and that she did have a disability.
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[Judge Acker] And she ultimately
was awarded benefits
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- and you were to receive them...
- Yes.
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- ... on her behalf, correct?
- Yes.
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Now, I wanna talk to you,
Reese and Brooklyn,
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because there came a point in time
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when one or both of you called the police
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and suggested that she'd stolen the check.
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Reese, tell me about why that happened.
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[Judge DiMango]
You, you're even more of an ingrate
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'cause she owes you nothing.
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Calling the police?
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You should be locked up
for that alone, Reese.
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{\an8}[announcer] Roberta Valerius is suing
granddaughter, Brooklyn Bruining,
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{\an8}and boyfriend, Reese Mueller, for $10,000.
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Roberta claims they owe her rent
and reimbursement
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for financial support
when they lived with her.
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But the teenagers claim
that Roberta welcomed them,
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then became angry when they moved out
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and cut her off from government support.
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[Judge Acker] There came a point in time
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{\an8}when one or both of you called the police
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{\an8}and suggested that she'd stolen the check.
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{\an8}Reese, tell me about why that happened.
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{\an8}Yes, uh, Brooklyn checked her,
uh, SSI account
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{\an8}and she saw
that, uh, Ms. Valerius got a check
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{\an8}for $2,742.
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{\an8}And we ended up calling her
and asking her where the check was
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{\an8}'cause we're two 18-year-olds
living on our own
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and we're struggling on limited
money for rent and everything.
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And she said that the money was hers.
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{\an8}So, me and Brooklyn decided
to go to the police and report it as theft
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{\an8}and the police
couldn't do anything about it.
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{\an8}So, we--then we reported it to SSI.
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{\an8}But you know it wasn't a theft
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because she was legally authorized
to receive that check.
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And as you both acknowledged,
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you were living with her.
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She was supporting you.
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You weren't giving funds to the household.
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I mean, food costs money.
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Electricity and utilities cost money.
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You know you weren't right
to call the police on her.
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- You know that.
- Yes, Your Honor,
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that check was from, uh, when we moved out
into our own apartment.
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[Judge Acker] But the check--
remember, she was applying for benefits
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- for the prior year.
- Yes, ma'am.
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[Judge Acker]
So, she hadn't received anything.
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Did you receive anything
from the government...
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- No.
- ... with respect to Brooklyn's care
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- during any of the time that...
- No.
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- Nothing.
- [Judge Acker] ... she lived with you?
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- Not a thing.
- Yes, uh...
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[Judge Acker] Tell me why
you didn't apply earlier, ma'am.
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Why did it take you so long
to apply for these benefits?
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What--the reason I applied when I did is
because I'm 70 years old
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and I really worried
about what would Brooklyn do
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if something happened to me?
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She's burned bridges
with other members of the family.
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So, she really was relying upon me
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and her mother who is ill
who lives with me.
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She was relying upon us.
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{\an8}I worry about
how she's going to make it in the world
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{\an8}when I'm not here.
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{\an8}But there's consequences
for everything that people say and do.
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- And I...
- [Judge Acker] There are indeed.
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And I wanna talk again to Brooklyn.
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Are the two of you living independently?
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[Brooklyn] Yeah.
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{\an8}[Judge Acker] What are you doing
for a living right now, dear?
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{\an8}- Um, nothing.
- [Judge Acker] Nothing.
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{\an8}Are you studying?
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No.
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Your grandmother is suing you
not because she doesn't love you.
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And I think she needs to hear that.
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You love your granddaughter?
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[Roberta] Very much.
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But I'm trying to teach her
that throughout life,
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there's always consequences
for everything you say and do.
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And I was devastated
when they called the police on me...
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- [Judge Acker] I'm sure you were.
- ... because I've bent over backwards
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to give her a nice home, nice clothes.
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My sense from this lawsuit
and from your complaint
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is that you brought this as a wakeup call.
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And I'm gonna tell you, Brooklyn,
you gotta wake up.
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The world will not be any more kind to you
than your grandmother has.
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In your answer, one of the things
that the two of you complain about
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is that the plaintiff's
bringing this lawsuit
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because she wants to keep control,
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yet you complain about the fact
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that she didn't drive Brooklyn
to a job interview.
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Yes, Your Honor. The--
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{\an8}this whole lawsuit started
after she found out
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{\an8}that we're taking her off the payee
for her--for Brooklyn's benefits.
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That's when the entire lawsuit occurred.
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[Judge Acker] Brooklyn,
what do you wanna do with your life?
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Um, become a CNA.
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- [Judge Acker] Become a what?
- [Brooklyn] A CNA.
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- A certified nurse's assistant?
- [Brooklyn] Yes.
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[Judge Acker] And how do you think
you're gonna get there?
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Um, I don't know.
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Do you have a computer?
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No, she took it back.
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[Judge Acker]
Did you take the computer back?
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- [Roberta] No.
- [Judge Acker] Do you have...
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When they moved out,
they took the computer.
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[Judge Acker] Do you have the computer?
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Uh, no. But her brother does
have a computer at the house.
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You're going to have to start to contend
with what being an adult means.
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Knowing that your grandmother
had supported you
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with zero help
from the time you were eight,
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one check--$2,742
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was the amount of the check
or thereabouts.
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You don't think she was entitled to that?
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- No.
- [Judge Acker] Why not?
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Because my father have given her money.
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[Judge Acker] There's no evidence of that.
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And, you know, Reese,
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- I--I've been gentle with you.
- Yeah.
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[Judge Acker] You move into a home.
You pay no rent.
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You say you do some chores.
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{\an8}How do you feel about the plaintiff?
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{\an8}You feel grateful?
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{\an8}Oh, I'm very grateful
for what the grandma has done.
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[Judge Acker] So, then why not drive
for a rideshare company
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to help this woman who's letting you live
in her house for free?
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Your parents didn't take Brooklyn in.
She took you in.
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What was the job you had
for only six weeks?
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That was Custom Wire.
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That's where I just made technology
for medicals.
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[Judge Acker] What is--I don't under--
what does that mean?
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Like syringes and needles,
everything like that.
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Why did you keep the job
for only six weeks?
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I got a different offer to another job.
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- [Judge Acker] And did you take it?
- Yes.
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Tell me, how long did you live
with the plaintiff?
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I would say about five and a half
to six months.
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Over that five-and-a-half
to six-month period,
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how much money did you give her?
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{\an8}Maybe only, like,
a hundred and fifty bucks
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{\an8}- to two hundred bucks.
- [Judge Acker] A hundred
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{\an8}- to a hundred and fifty dollars?
- Yes, ma'am.
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{\an8}[Judge Acker] And do you think
that you could live for six months
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on a hundred
to a hundred and fifty dollars?
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- No, ma'am.
- And your girlfriend,
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who is not working and not in school,
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you think you can support two people
for six months
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on a hundred
to a hundred and fifty dollars?
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- No, ma'am.
- So why did she have to sue you?
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Because she needed the money back
that she lost from taking care of us.
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And by the way,
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- you are the part of the us...
- Yes, ma'am.
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... that has far less right
to any of her money than Brooklyn does.
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That's her grandbaby
who she was raising since age eight.
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You show up. You should've
been trying to help her out
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and make this relationship better.
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I hope you're not what came between it.
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Judge DiMango.
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{\an8}Entitled, ungrateful,
self-centered spoiled brats.
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That's what you are.
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You get up in the morning,
what do you do, Brooklyn?
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{\an8}- Nothing.
- [Judge DiMango] Nothing.
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{\an8}How old are you?
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- [Brooklyn] Nineteen.
- Other than the anxiety that you have,
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because believe me, hun,
you're not the only one
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walking the streets with anxiety.
You do nothing.
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Do you think maybe if you did something,
you would have more focus?
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No.
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So you think you're gonna spend
the rest of your life doing nothing?
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I mean, this thing about,
"I'm gonna be a CNA,"
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yeah, and I'm gonna be a--
I'm gonna be a brain surgeon.
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How am I gonna do it?
I'm just gonna sit here.
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How are you gonna be a CNA?
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You have no idea. You just made that up.
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Just threw it out there. Sounds good.
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You, you're even more of an ingrate
'cause she owes you nothing.
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Calling the police?
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You should be locked up
for that alone, Reese.
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Let me talk to you a little bit.
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So I know you had
your daughter living with you,
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and your daughter has an illness
according to what you said.
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Was she living with you at the same time
Brooklyn and Reese were living with you?
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[Roberta] Yes, ma'am.
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And were you getting money for her?
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Uh, she gets her own money.
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[Judge DiMango]
So the money goes directly to her.
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But the reason you were getting her money
333
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was because the mother
couldn't take care of her
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and because she was a minor,
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- would that be correct?
- [Roberta] Yes.
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Um, when they moved out,
Brooklyn has received every month
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- the amount that they have...
- [Judge DiMango] Does it go to you
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or does it go to her?
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[Roberta] It's gone to me.
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So every month, I would cash a check
and I gave her the entire amount.
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- Is that correct?
- [Brooklyn] She has.
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{\an8}[Judge DiMango]
She has been giving you the money?
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{\an8}- The monthly payments, yes.
- [Judge DiMango] So you would think
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{\an8}that between the monthly money
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that you're getting to sit home
and get up and do nothing,
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that you would say, "You know what?
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She's suing me, she did take care of me,
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maybe I'll just kick her back
some money every month."
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[announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice.
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I'm gonna tell you right now,
unlike my colleagues...
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[laughs] I think you're the bad guy here.
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[dramatic musical sting]
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{\an8}[theme music plays]
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{\an8}[announcer] Roberta Valerius is suing
granddaughter Brooklyn Bruining
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{\an8}and boyfriend Reese Mueller
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{\an8}for back rent and money spent
supporting them when they lived together.
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But Brooklyn and Reese claim
grandma is only suing
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because she's angry she can't control
her granddaughter anymore.
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{\an8}Who are you to live in somebody's house
and not do anything?
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{\an8}"Oh, I power wash the house."
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That's not compensation
for living with someone.
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That's what people do.
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Well, Your Honor, I also--
I did some work around the house. I...
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{\an8}- [Judge DiMango] What'd you do?
- I fixed the doors...
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{\an8}- [Judge DiMango] Oh.
- ... I tore down the back shed...
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{\an8}- [Judge DiMango] Okay.
- ... where the hot tub was,
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and I tore up some tile in the bathroom.
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[Judge DiMango] Did you use
that yard or anything like that
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that you were working on?
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00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:21,633
Uh, that was in the backyard,
I never really went back there,
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- only the front yard.
- [Judge DiMango] Never went back there,
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just looked at it.
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When you moved out, you had no job, right?
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00:15:27,300 --> 00:15:29,533
No, I had a job. Yes.
Yeah, I worked for my dad's company.
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So what do you do for your dad's company?
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00:15:31,834 --> 00:15:33,567
Uh, he does--he has a construction company
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- and home remodeling company.
- [Judge DiMango] Uh-hmm.
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And I was doing that and he just--
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he gave me a fulltime schedule
at $18 an hour.
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[Judge DiMango]
And that's where you're working now?
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- [Reese] Yes, ma'am.
- [Judge DiMango] And from that income,
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you've never given the plaintiff a penny?
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{\an8}[Reese] No, ma'am.
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{\an8}[Judge DiMango] When you were living
there, who made your meals?
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{\an8}[Reese] She did.
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{\an8}[Judge DiMango] Who bought the food?
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She did.
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I mean, you both stand there and say this
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with self-righteous attitude
and an entitlement,
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00:15:57,734 --> 00:15:59,834
like, "Why should we pay her?" Right?
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Why should you pay her?
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00:16:01,567 --> 00:16:03,467
So what's your plan?
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Brooklyn, what's your plan?
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00:16:05,967 --> 00:16:06,967
[Brooklyn] I don't know.
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00:16:07,033 --> 00:16:08,467
[Judge DiMango] No plan. No plan.
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00:16:08,533 --> 00:16:10,300
What are you gonna do
when you go home tomorrow?
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Nothing. Tell me. Come on. Say it.
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00:16:12,934 --> 00:16:14,867
- I don't know.
- [Judge DiMango] Nothing. You know.
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00:16:14,934 --> 00:16:17,333
You know. What do you do every day?
400
00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,567
- Nothing.
- [Judge DiMango] Nothing.
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00:16:18,633 --> 00:16:20,166
There you go. It's like a job for you.
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00:16:20,233 --> 00:16:21,600
You get up, you do nothing.
403
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Do something with your life.
404
00:16:24,367 --> 00:16:26,533
You'll be happier. I'm telling you.
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Polish somebody's nails.
406
00:16:28,433 --> 00:16:30,200
Start your own little home business.
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00:16:30,266 --> 00:16:32,467
You could do that. It's a skill.
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00:16:32,867 --> 00:16:34,867
And don't hide behind anxiety
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because the more you hide behind it,
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the more you don't address it,
the more you don't work,
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the more you don't do something
with your own life,
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the more you're gonna sink into it.
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Judge Levy.
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{\an8}We have a witness here, Blake Bruining.
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{\an8}And would you step up, please?
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00:16:48,533 --> 00:16:49,700
Who are you?
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That's my grandmother.
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00:16:51,367 --> 00:16:54,567
Okay. And how, if at all, are you related
to the two to your left?
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[Blake] That's my sister
and that's her boyfriend.
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{\an8}- [Judge Levy] Mind if I call you Blake?
- Yes, Your Honor.
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{\an8}- [Judge Levy] How old are you?
- I'm 21.
422
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,867
{\an8}- [Judge Levy] Do you work?
- I do.
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00:17:01,934 --> 00:17:02,967
[Judge Levy] What do you do?
424
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So I work as a sales, uh, for UScellular.
425
00:17:06,333 --> 00:17:10,633
So I, like, sell cell phones,
I do, like, phone contracts, and all that.
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And they also live with me right now.
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[Judge Levy]
Okay. And do you support yourself?
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I do. And I also support,
um, both of them as well.
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00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:22,433
So after they left
your grandmother's house,
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- they came to you?
- [Blake] Yes, Your Honor.
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[Judge Levy] Are you regretting
that decision?
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00:17:25,734 --> 00:17:27,667
Um, most definitely right now.
433
00:17:27,734 --> 00:17:32,000
You know, I have a lot of issues.
I have talked to them several times.
434
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Like, they also have two animals
435
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that keep peeing
and crapping on the carpet
436
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they never let out.
437
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{\an8}Every time I come home, um, I always ask,
438
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{\an8}"Did you," like, "Hey, Reese,
439
00:17:41,133 --> 00:17:42,900
{\an8}did you work at all,
like what did you do?"
440
00:17:42,967 --> 00:17:45,066
{\an8}They always seem to struggle
with paying rent. I...
441
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[Judge Levy] Who pays the rent?
442
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- It's 50/50.
- [Judge Levy] 50/50?
443
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- Does he contribute 50% of the rent?
- So how it's been going
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is the Social Security money,
445
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um, he has to rely
on my sister's Social Security money.
446
00:17:56,233 --> 00:17:58,033
- [Judge Levy] Is that correct?
- No, ma'am--no, sir.
447
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So I've never seen him work
448
00:18:00,433 --> 00:18:02,700
and he's always like,
"Hey, Brooklyn will get paid."
449
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[Judge Levy] So you're saying he's lying.
450
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,567
Yes, sir.
451
00:18:05,633 --> 00:18:07,567
What motive does he have
right now for lying?
452
00:18:07,633 --> 00:18:09,934
Yes, sir. Me and Brooklyn do 50/50
on our portion of the rent,
453
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which is 450 each or 425 each,
I would say.
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[Judge Levy] Well, she don't work.
455
00:18:13,367 --> 00:18:15,567
- Yeah, she gets SSI disability.
- [Judge Levy] That's right.
456
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What he's saying is, though,
you don't work either.
457
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So that's what I'm asking you.
458
00:18:19,233 --> 00:18:22,133
Uh, I do work. I only work
when my dad needs me.
459
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,667
- Currently, my dad has been...
- [Judge Levy] You only work--
460
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- so that's the issue, right?
- [Blake] Yup.
461
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So he only works when his dad says,
462
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"Come on. I'm gonna give you money."
Works for his dad.
463
00:18:29,233 --> 00:18:30,233
Other than that,
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- he doesn't get up in the morning...
- [Blake] That's right.
465
00:18:32,066 --> 00:18:33,300
[Judge Levy] ... he doesn't have
any place to be,
466
00:18:33,367 --> 00:18:34,633
nothing like that.
467
00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:36,266
- Yes, Your Honor.
- [Judge Levy] I got it.
468
00:18:36,333 --> 00:18:37,433
Do you love your sister?
469
00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:38,500
I do, Your Honor.
470
00:18:38,567 --> 00:18:40,333
[Judge Levy]
And you want what's best for her?
471
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,567
Uh, yes, Your Honor.
472
00:18:41,633 --> 00:18:43,367
Uh, I've been definitely trying,
473
00:18:43,433 --> 00:18:46,000
um, but again, she doesn't
wanna do anything.
474
00:18:46,066 --> 00:18:47,133
Tell me about high school.
475
00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,967
Did you go to high school
with your sister?
476
00:18:49,033 --> 00:18:50,033
[Blake] That's right, Your Honor.
477
00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:51,333
- [Judge Levy] Did you graduate?
- I did.
478
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,400
[Judge Levy] And then you went
into the military?
479
00:18:52,467 --> 00:18:53,467
That's right, Your Honor.
480
00:18:53,533 --> 00:18:55,800
- [Judge Levy] And she got her GED?
- [Roberta] No.
481
00:18:55,867 --> 00:18:59,166
As far as I know, she didn't even
complete any sort of education.
482
00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:00,367
She dropped out.
483
00:19:00,433 --> 00:19:01,834
[Judge Levy] Did she work in high school?
484
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,300
No. I was the one
that was actually working.
485
00:19:04,367 --> 00:19:05,800
I started when I was 15 years old.
486
00:19:05,867 --> 00:19:07,166
- [Judge Levy] And she never worked?
- Never worked.
487
00:19:07,567 --> 00:19:10,834
{\an8}- [Judge Levy] Why not?
- [Blake] She just had no motivation,
488
00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:13,834
{\an8}no--like, I don't know
the real reason behind it.
489
00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:15,633
I didn't know
what was all going on over there.
490
00:19:15,700 --> 00:19:16,800
- [Judge Levy] I got it. I got it.
- So, you know...
491
00:19:16,867 --> 00:19:17,867
[Judge Levy] But let me ask you this.
492
00:19:17,934 --> 00:19:20,500
Your grandmother says
that she, your grandmother,
493
00:19:20,567 --> 00:19:23,800
applied for Social Security
disability payments
494
00:19:23,867 --> 00:19:27,100
for your sister
when she was just 17 years old.
495
00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:28,433
That's two years ago.
496
00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:29,633
- [Blake] That's right, Your Honor.
- Right?
497
00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:32,000
You don't think that your grandmother
is a neglectful person,
498
00:19:32,066 --> 00:19:33,200
- do you?
- Not at all.
499
00:19:33,266 --> 00:19:34,967
[Judge Levy] You don't think
that she's an abusive person,
500
00:19:35,033 --> 00:19:36,166
- do you?
- No.
501
00:19:36,233 --> 00:19:38,000
You don't think that if, in fact,
502
00:19:38,066 --> 00:19:42,567
Brooklyn had real disability issues
before she was 17,
503
00:19:42,633 --> 00:19:44,900
your grandmother
would've gotten help for her, right?
504
00:19:44,967 --> 00:19:46,000
- That's right, Your Honor.
- Right?
505
00:19:46,066 --> 00:19:47,166
- She would've.
- Yup.
506
00:19:47,233 --> 00:19:49,033
[Judge Levy]
But it wasn't until she was 17,
507
00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:50,467
according to your grandmother,
508
00:19:50,533 --> 00:19:53,367
that these anxiety issues popped up.
509
00:19:53,433 --> 00:19:55,967
- [Blake] That's right, Your Honor.
- So you didn't see any anxiety issues
510
00:19:56,033 --> 00:19:57,200
when she was in high school, did you?
511
00:19:57,266 --> 00:19:59,433
No, no, she was all, like, partying,
you know...
512
00:19:59,500 --> 00:20:01,300
Partying... that's what they do now.
513
00:20:01,367 --> 00:20:02,367
[Blake] That's right.
514
00:20:02,433 --> 00:20:04,133
- And that's what you've seen.
- Yup.
515
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,400
Thank you for your honesty.
You can go have a seat.
516
00:20:07,266 --> 00:20:09,433
- So now, back to you, Ms. Valerius.
- [Roberta] Yes.
517
00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:11,367
[Judge Levy]
You got a great grandson there.
518
00:20:11,433 --> 00:20:12,934
- He told the truth.
- [Roberta] True. Yes, sir.
519
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,033
[Judge Levy] The only problem is,
520
00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:17,266
according to the family court records
in Wisconsin,
521
00:20:17,333 --> 00:20:18,700
you were awarded guardianship
522
00:20:18,767 --> 00:20:21,967
because your daughter, her mother,
couldn't care for herself.
523
00:20:22,033 --> 00:20:25,333
{\an8}- And she herself was getting SSI, right?
- Yeah. Yes.
524
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,633
{\an8}And that means that
she gets disability, too, at the time.
525
00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:31,967
She gets money from the government,
he got money from the government,
526
00:20:32,033 --> 00:20:35,333
and that went to their guardian
who was you, right?
527
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,734
- Well, she wouldn't have been...
- Because I'm--'cause--
528
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,000
I'm gonna tell you right now,
unlike my colleagues, right?
529
00:20:39,066 --> 00:20:40,700
Unlike my colleagues... [laughs]
530
00:20:40,767 --> 00:20:42,400
I think you're the bad guy here.
531
00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:46,333
{\an8}[announcer] Next time on Tribunal Justice.
532
00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:50,133
You have the world in front of you,
and you have an opportunity to do better.
533
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,934
You are going to have to make changes.
534
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,533
You think you guys are gonna get married?
535
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,734
Well, I'd hope so.
536
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,734
Really? And how are you
gonna support each other?
537
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,266
Well, if--I mean, I'm--I...
538
00:20:59,333 --> 00:21:00,834
You live off of her.
539
00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:03,100
You can't let go of her
because without her,
540
00:21:03,166 --> 00:21:04,166
you're broke.
541
00:21:05,333 --> 00:21:07,800
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542
00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:11,066
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543
00:21:11,133 --> 00:21:13,767
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544
00:21:13,834 --> 00:21:17,066
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