1 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,934 Your car was trashed by her. 2 00:00:08,967 --> 00:00:10,934 - He knew I was driving his car. - No. 3 00:00:11,700 --> 00:00:13,266 You were driving like a moron. 4 00:00:13,333 --> 00:00:16,033 You were convicted of driving without a license, 5 00:00:16,100 --> 00:00:18,800 driving with a revoked license, and a suspended registration. 6 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:23,533 There were two people that you injured in a school zone. 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,233 I don't like what he's saying. 8 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:26,934 [Judge Levy] You can't put your head in the sand, ma'am. 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,200 Give me a break. 10 00:00:28,266 --> 00:00:30,567 [announcer] Now, on Tribunal Justice. 11 00:00:30,633 --> 00:00:34,000 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays] 12 00:00:52,133 --> 00:00:55,700 [announcer] Today's case was filed in Lancaster, California. 13 00:00:55,767 --> 00:01:00,633 [Cassandra] Your Honor, this is case number 2035A, Carter versus Smith. 14 00:01:00,700 --> 00:01:04,766 Also, case number 2035B, Lee versus Lowe. 15 00:01:04,834 --> 00:01:06,066 Thank you very much, Cassandra. 16 00:01:06,133 --> 00:01:07,300 You're welcome. 17 00:01:07,367 --> 00:01:08,700 - You may be seated. - [Judge Levy] All right. 18 00:01:08,767 --> 00:01:12,600 As Cassandra just indicated, this is an A and a B case. 19 00:01:12,767 --> 00:01:16,066 The A case is Carter versus Smith. 20 00:01:16,133 --> 00:01:17,166 That's you, ma'am, 21 00:01:17,233 --> 00:01:18,633 - the plaintiff, Ms. Carter. - Yes. 22 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:20,000 [Judge Levy] And the defendant is Ms. Smith. 23 00:01:20,066 --> 00:01:22,233 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] And we have on the B case, 24 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:24,265 we have Mr. Lee as the plaintiff 25 00:01:24,333 --> 00:01:27,265 and we have Ms. Lowe as the defendant. 26 00:01:27,333 --> 00:01:29,166 Ms. Carter, standing to your right 27 00:01:29,233 --> 00:01:30,967 - is your son? - Correct. 28 00:01:31,033 --> 00:01:33,500 [Judge Levy] So, basically, you're both suing the defendants 29 00:01:33,567 --> 00:01:36,233 for a total of $20,000. 30 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:39,866 Your son wants $10,000 from Darnise Lowe 31 00:01:39,934 --> 00:01:41,734 and you're asking her mom, 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,200 Darnise Smith, for another $10,000. 33 00:01:45,265 --> 00:01:46,700 Now let me explain why. 34 00:01:46,767 --> 00:01:48,333 The two of you rented your car. 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,900 It was a 2022 Tesla Model 3 to Ms. Smith. 36 00:01:52,967 --> 00:01:55,734 And you did that through a mobile app. 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,400 And Ms. Smith, you allowed your daughter to drive the car 38 00:01:59,467 --> 00:02:01,867 and your daughter was involved in an accident 39 00:02:01,934 --> 00:02:04,033 - while she was driving the car. - Yes. 40 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:06,533 And your daughter is Ms. Lowe who's standing to your left. 41 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,900 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] According to the plaintiff, 42 00:02:08,967 --> 00:02:11,900 Ms. Carter, you're claiming that the defendant, Ms. Smith, 43 00:02:11,967 --> 00:02:14,900 violated the terms of the mobile rental app 44 00:02:14,967 --> 00:02:17,867 by allowing her daughter to drive the car 45 00:02:17,934 --> 00:02:22,767 without first adding her daughter on the mobile app 46 00:02:22,834 --> 00:02:25,000 - as an additional driver. - Correct. 47 00:02:25,066 --> 00:02:28,400 [Judge Levy] And you're suing Ms. Carter for $5,000 48 00:02:28,466 --> 00:02:32,466 for breach of contract and $5,000 for towing fees 49 00:02:32,533 --> 00:02:35,633 and lost rental income based upon her accident. 50 00:02:35,700 --> 00:02:36,700 - Is that correct? - Yes. 51 00:02:36,767 --> 00:02:40,166 [Judge Levy] Okay. Ms. Smith, you claim that the plaintiff, 52 00:02:40,233 --> 00:02:43,033 Ms. Carter's son, was aware 53 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:46,266 that your daughter, Ms. Lowe, was driving the car? 54 00:02:46,333 --> 00:02:48,966 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] And you further allege 55 00:02:49,033 --> 00:02:52,433 that he was supposed to add your daughter 56 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:54,700 - as an additional driver. - Yes. 57 00:02:54,767 --> 00:02:57,100 [Judge Levy] And as a result of his failure, 58 00:02:57,166 --> 00:03:01,100 the mobile app company would not cover the damage 59 00:03:01,166 --> 00:03:03,867 - for your daughter's accident. - [Darnise Smith] Yes. 60 00:03:03,934 --> 00:03:05,934 [Judge Levy] So you don't owe them anything? 61 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,166 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] Great. 62 00:03:07,233 --> 00:03:11,533 On the B case, Mr. Lee, you are suing Ms. Lowe 63 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,467 for causing damages to the car that she was driving 64 00:03:15,533 --> 00:03:16,767 in a negligent manner, 65 00:03:16,834 --> 00:03:20,333 - and you're suing for $10,000. - Correct. 66 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,934 [Judge Levy] Ms. Lowe, according to your answer, 67 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,600 the reason that the mobile app did not cover you… 68 00:03:26,667 --> 00:03:31,000 - [Darnise Lowe] Uh-hmm. - … was because he failed to include you 69 00:03:31,066 --> 00:03:34,100 as an additional driver on their platform, 70 00:03:34,166 --> 00:03:37,433 - and as a result, you owe them nothing. - Yes. 71 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:39,033 [Judge Levy] Got it. Ms. Carter, 72 00:03:39,100 --> 00:03:42,900 how long have you been renting cars on this mobile app? 73 00:03:42,966 --> 00:03:46,934 We had just started previously with another vehicle 74 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:51,066 and then decided to start renting the Tesla out. 75 00:03:51,133 --> 00:03:53,200 - [Judge Levy] And for how long? - Three months. 76 00:03:53,266 --> 00:03:54,266 [Judge Levy] Three months? 77 00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:57,000 Do we have a picture of the 2022 Model 3? 78 00:03:57,066 --> 00:03:58,567 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] That's the vehicle 79 00:03:58,633 --> 00:04:02,033 that you own that was rented to Ms. Smith? 80 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:03,166 [Jaquay] Yes. 81 00:04:03,233 --> 00:04:08,600 Could you explain to me how this mobile app platform works? 82 00:04:08,667 --> 00:04:10,800 So I'm gonna let my son let you know how it works 83 00:04:10,867 --> 00:04:12,834 'cause I have him helping me 84 00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:14,400 - work everything. - [Judge Levy] Sure. Go ahead, Mr. Lee. 85 00:04:14,467 --> 00:04:17,000 So it's a--we are independent contractors 86 00:04:17,065 --> 00:04:20,000 and independently rent our vehicles to the platform 87 00:04:20,065 --> 00:04:21,667 for use to other drivers out there. 88 00:04:21,733 --> 00:04:24,567 [Judge Levy] And Ms. Smith was a guest 89 00:04:24,633 --> 00:04:27,500 because she applied on the mobile app 90 00:04:27,567 --> 00:04:30,433 to make her the primary driver of this vehicle 91 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:32,700 - during the contract time. - Correct. 92 00:04:32,767 --> 00:04:35,433 Now, insurance plays a big part in all of this. 93 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:37,066 That's the reason why y'all are here 94 00:04:37,133 --> 00:04:39,533 is because insurance wasn't covering the damages 95 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,700 that Ms. Lowe caused by crashing this car. 96 00:04:41,767 --> 00:04:42,767 - Correct. - [Judge Levy] Okay. 97 00:04:42,834 --> 00:04:45,933 And the defendant applied for minimum coverage 98 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,433 and they also informed us that she was at fault. 99 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:51,233 So they don't cover at-fault accidents as well. 100 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:56,300 Tell me how you came to rent the vehicle to Mrs. Smith. 101 00:04:56,367 --> 00:04:59,667 So on September 26th, I was contacted by Darnise Smith 102 00:04:59,734 --> 00:05:02,266 on the mobile app to rent my vehicle. 103 00:05:02,333 --> 00:05:04,400 The 27th was the start date. 104 00:05:04,467 --> 00:05:07,200 And she informed me that she doesn't really know how to work the app, 105 00:05:07,266 --> 00:05:10,133 that she needed me to contact her daughter, Darnise Lowe. 106 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,500 [Judge Levy] Okay. And how did she do that? 107 00:05:11,567 --> 00:05:13,233 - Is she talking to you? - [William] Over the phone. 108 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:15,567 - Over the phone? - And after that, 109 00:05:15,633 --> 00:05:18,467 I--they sent me an address to pick her up at, 110 00:05:18,533 --> 00:05:21,700 'cause we provide additional service that's called an add-on, 111 00:05:21,767 --> 00:05:23,200 on our--on our listing. 112 00:05:23,266 --> 00:05:26,600 And we went to go pick them up and we brought them to the vehicle. 113 00:05:26,667 --> 00:05:28,200 [Judge Levy] So you picked up Ms. Smith 114 00:05:28,266 --> 00:05:30,600 - and her daughter, Ms. Lowe? - No. 115 00:05:30,667 --> 00:05:31,867 - Her granddaughter. - [Judge Levy] Oh, her granddaughter? 116 00:05:31,934 --> 00:05:32,933 It's a six-year-old child. 117 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,133 Okay. Thank you. So you picked up Ms. Smith 118 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,200 - and her granddaughter at their home? - [William] Yes. 119 00:05:38,266 --> 00:05:40,667 And you brought them to where the vehicle was located. 120 00:05:40,734 --> 00:05:42,367 - [William] Correct. - And what did you do? 121 00:05:42,433 --> 00:05:44,633 I went ahead and scanned their ID, 122 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:46,200 - physically. - [Judge Levy] Driver's license? 123 00:05:46,266 --> 00:05:47,300 Yes. Their driver's license. 124 00:05:47,367 --> 00:05:49,433 And I scanned it on to the […] app 125 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:51,933 and it takes about five minute-- a five to 10-minute process 126 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 for them to go and verify the identification. 127 00:05:55,066 --> 00:05:59,400 After that, I went ahead and showed her the agreement policy as well 128 00:05:59,467 --> 00:06:01,900 as provided her with a copy of the insurance card. 129 00:06:01,967 --> 00:06:05,834 And once that came back, she was free to go. 130 00:06:05,900 --> 00:06:10,266 Now, does that sound about right as far as you contacting the app? 131 00:06:10,333 --> 00:06:12,000 You put your information in, 132 00:06:12,066 --> 00:06:14,500 including your driver's license information. 133 00:06:14,567 --> 00:06:18,734 Um, I told William that my mother didn't know how to use the app. 134 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:21,033 [Darnise Smith] And he did it 'cause I didn't know how to do the paperwork 135 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:23,166 - and stuff, so--he did it. - [Judge Levy] That's okay. 136 00:06:23,233 --> 00:06:24,367 So you, ma'am, 137 00:06:24,834 --> 00:06:26,600 someone who doesn't know how to use an app, 138 00:06:26,667 --> 00:06:29,600 decided that you want a Tesla 139 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,900 fully automated drivable vehicle, right? 140 00:06:33,967 --> 00:06:35,033 Uh, yeah. 141 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:39,500 I guess I just wanted a decent car that weekend for us to drive the weekend. 142 00:06:39,567 --> 00:06:40,900 [Judge Levy] Well, you had to pick it out. 143 00:06:40,967 --> 00:06:43,066 And correct me if I'm wrong, when someone like you, 144 00:06:43,133 --> 00:06:46,600 Ms. Smith, you go on the app and you get to pick any type of car you want 145 00:06:46,667 --> 00:06:50,166 and then you will then say to the app, "Well, this is the car I want, 146 00:06:50,233 --> 00:06:53,433 this is the time that I want it," the app notifies the host. 147 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:56,066 The host will then say if they feel comfortable 148 00:06:56,133 --> 00:06:58,967 with the person, the guest operate the motor vehicle. 149 00:06:59,033 --> 00:07:00,700 - No, that's not how it go. - You're shaking your head no. 150 00:07:00,767 --> 00:07:02,700 No, that's not how it go. You find the car that you want 151 00:07:02,767 --> 00:07:05,734 and then it tells you the rate, like per day. 152 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,333 Then you pay for it. And then it tells them, like the host… 153 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,667 So why didn't you just do it? 154 00:07:10,734 --> 00:07:12,000 - Because… - [Judge Levy] Hold on. Don't answer that. 155 00:07:12,066 --> 00:07:13,934 … it's--my mom has the app on her phone. 156 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,633 You need a major debit or credit card to book the cars. 157 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:17,834 - [Judge Levy] And you don't have one? - No. 158 00:07:17,900 --> 00:07:18,900 - You don't have a credit card? - [Darnise Lowe] Uh-uh. 159 00:07:18,967 --> 00:07:20,233 - You don't have a debit card? - Uh-uh. 160 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:23,533 And you said that the reason that you selected that car, 161 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,600 - the fully automated operating vehicle… - We didn't even say that. 162 00:07:26,667 --> 00:07:28,934 [Judge Levy] … was just because you wanted to give it a shot. 163 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,800 It never stated fully auto vehicle. 164 00:07:30,867 --> 00:07:32,066 - It didn't. - It didn't state that. 165 00:07:32,133 --> 00:07:33,133 - Okay. - He told us 166 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,000 about that after we rented the car. 167 00:07:35,066 --> 00:07:36,734 - [Judge Levy] Okay. - He told me that you can do self-- 168 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,166 he taught me everything. He-- 169 00:07:38,233 --> 00:07:39,834 - we pulled up on each other… - [Judge Levy] Is that--yeah. 170 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:42,900 … and he taught me everything in-person how to drive his car. 171 00:07:42,967 --> 00:07:44,332 - [Judge Levy] Is that… - He knew I was driving his car. 172 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,633 The issue isn't whether or not you were driving the car. 173 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:50,867 The issue is whether or not your mom violated the rules 174 00:07:50,933 --> 00:07:54,266 by not having you listed as an additional driver. 175 00:07:54,332 --> 00:07:56,633 - Okay. But why he didn't inform me? - We didn't know that. 176 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:57,967 [Judge Levy] The reason he didn't inform you is 177 00:07:58,033 --> 00:08:00,467 because you have all that information on the app. 178 00:08:00,533 --> 00:08:03,700 So what I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna pass it over to Judge Acker 179 00:08:03,767 --> 00:08:05,734 and then I'm sure that we're gonna have additional comments. 180 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,734 - Hold on one second. - [Judge Acker] Mr. Lee, 181 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,834 they mentioned you adding the ID. Can you explain? 182 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:12,367 - Because as I understand it… - [William] So--yes. 183 00:08:12,433 --> 00:08:14,433 - … you get an ID or you scan it in… - Uh-hmm. 184 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:16,500 - So the way that this works… - [Judge Acker] How does this work? 185 00:08:16,567 --> 00:08:20,332 … is 24 hours before you even sign up for the app, 186 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,433 you send a copy of your ID to […], 187 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:25,533 and they go ahead--and it will take 24 hours for them to process it, 188 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,400 checking your background and everything and things like that. 189 00:08:28,467 --> 00:08:31,467 They will go ahead and approve or deny you as an--as a driver. 190 00:08:31,533 --> 00:08:35,366 Once the actual primary driver gets there, gets to the vehicle, 191 00:08:35,433 --> 00:08:37,200 there's a policy that I have to follow 192 00:08:37,265 --> 00:08:40,100 where you have to scan the ID to confirm it's the person. 193 00:08:40,165 --> 00:08:42,533 I had to take a picture of her to send it to the app 194 00:08:42,834 --> 00:08:46,100 and I had to wait for their approval team to send it back to confirm their identity 195 00:08:46,165 --> 00:08:48,500 before--'cause they have to start the rental. 196 00:08:48,567 --> 00:08:50,100 I cannot physically start the rental. 197 00:08:50,165 --> 00:08:52,600 But even if you'd been an additional driver, 198 00:08:52,667 --> 00:08:55,165 and you, Mr. Lee, correct me if I'm wrong, 199 00:08:55,233 --> 00:08:59,834 your insurance still would not have covered it because she was at fault. 200 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:01,233 - Did I understand that correctly? - Correct, 201 00:09:01,300 --> 00:09:04,934 because she opted for the state minimum liability insurance. 202 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,934 So it doesn't matter if you were listed as an additional driver or not. 203 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,166 You were at fault. 204 00:09:10,233 --> 00:09:11,900 - I know I was at fault. - Okay. 205 00:09:11,967 --> 00:09:13,033 We talked about that. 206 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:15,533 He came to my house and told me. 207 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,567 Before he even pulled up the video, we spoke about this. 208 00:09:18,633 --> 00:09:21,667 They said like three different prices, right? 209 00:09:21,734 --> 00:09:23,734 So that's why we came here because I didn't understand. 210 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,266 At first, it was 71--70 something… 211 00:09:26,333 --> 00:09:27,400 Seventy-nine thousand, 212 00:09:27,467 --> 00:09:28,934 - fifty-one thousand. - And then 51,000. 213 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,433 - [Darnise Smith] And now 10,000. - Ten thousand. 214 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:31,834 - So there's three different prices. - Yeah, I saw that, 215 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:35,133 because the other driver is suing your insurance company, 216 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,533 - correct? - Correct. 217 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,500 [Judge Acker] Because according to these ladies, 218 00:09:38,567 --> 00:09:41,834 they were ready and willing to pay and you said, 219 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:43,600 "No, let's just hash it out in court." 220 00:09:43,667 --> 00:09:45,633 So that's not what happened at all. 221 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:48,900 I've tried to make several attempts to make arranged payment with them. 222 00:09:48,967 --> 00:09:54,165 They both stated to me--here's one text message that she says, "I'm in Mexico." 223 00:09:54,233 --> 00:09:57,333 And there's another one that says she has to go to San Diego. 224 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,200 When I actually went to the mother's house, 225 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:01,834 um, before even having them served with papers, 226 00:10:01,900 --> 00:10:04,300 she said she was gonna come to California on the same day 227 00:10:04,367 --> 00:10:05,533 - and that did not… - [Judge Acker] So the two of you, 228 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,300 - you were trying to work it out. - Yes. 229 00:10:07,367 --> 00:10:09,100 - [Judge Acker] She was traveling a lot. - Correct. 230 00:10:09,166 --> 00:10:12,266 [Judge Acker] So when you found out about the accident, 231 00:10:12,333 --> 00:10:15,000 you're communicating with one or both of them. 232 00:10:15,066 --> 00:10:16,100 - [William] Uh-hmm. - And you say, 233 00:10:16,166 --> 00:10:18,533 "Bring your laptop so we can watch it." 234 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,266 - So that… - [Judge Acker] Now, is this the video 235 00:10:20,333 --> 00:10:21,600 - of the accident… - Yes. 236 00:10:21,667 --> 00:10:23,166 - … that you're gonna review with them? - So we had to get the--yeah. 237 00:10:23,233 --> 00:10:25,967 We had to physically get the video with the USB on it. 238 00:10:26,033 --> 00:10:29,066 So on--in the car there's a actual internal USB 239 00:10:29,133 --> 00:10:33,400 and we wanted to get the vehicle--I mean, to the vehicle to get the USB. 240 00:10:33,467 --> 00:10:35,533 There's another text message 241 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,967 that follows this exchange where you say, 242 00:10:39,033 --> 00:10:42,967 "I'm putting on here that it's not your fault." 243 00:10:43,033 --> 00:10:44,834 How am I to understand this exchange? 244 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:47,767 So on […] I have to file a insurance report. 245 00:10:47,834 --> 00:10:50,867 So inputted all the information that she told me over the phone 246 00:10:50,934 --> 00:10:53,967 and I told her to go back on there and put all the same information. 247 00:10:54,033 --> 00:10:56,233 I told her--I told her--like everything she told me. 248 00:10:56,300 --> 00:10:58,867 So I was using the same words that she stated to me 249 00:10:58,934 --> 00:11:01,000 where she stated that she was not at fault. 250 00:11:01,066 --> 00:11:03,266 I informed her that I would be using the same context 251 00:11:03,333 --> 00:11:06,300 to try to help her to see--'cause she was crying on the phone. 252 00:11:06,367 --> 00:11:07,467 She said she was all cut up. 253 00:11:07,533 --> 00:11:09,800 She said that there were family relatives 254 00:11:09,867 --> 00:11:12,367 in the vehicle with her that were badly injured. 255 00:11:12,433 --> 00:11:16,800 So she informed me that somebody ran the stop sign and hit her in the front. 256 00:11:16,867 --> 00:11:17,867 - "We were in the vehicle and…" - [Judge Acker] Yeah. She said 257 00:11:17,934 --> 00:11:20,934 that she couldn't make it to celebrate her baby's birthday. 258 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,233 - [William] Yeah. - She said her… 259 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:24,767 - [Judge Acker] All right. Let's see… - … baby's birthday was the next day. 260 00:11:24,834 --> 00:11:27,333 [Judge Acker] Let's see the video of the accident. 261 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:35,333 - That's you? - [Darnise Lowe] I'm this way, yeah. 262 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,900 And then the next car-- 263 00:11:39,165 --> 00:11:41,633 see, we both went through the stop sign. 264 00:11:42,367 --> 00:11:44,934 Please note there is a stop sign on the left side. 265 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,066 - Yeah, there's… - Both are right there. 266 00:11:46,133 --> 00:11:47,800 And I would like to say a few things. 267 00:11:47,867 --> 00:11:48,867 - For one… - Wait, wait, wait. 268 00:11:48,934 --> 00:11:50,133 Can we just play it one more time? 269 00:11:53,834 --> 00:11:56,000 You were blowing through that intersection. 270 00:11:56,066 --> 00:11:57,066 [Darnise Lowe] We both blew through it. 271 00:11:57,133 --> 00:11:59,367 And they got a stop sign over there. So both of y'all… 272 00:11:59,433 --> 00:12:00,800 - But I didn't see--but… - [Darnise Smith] I was going-- 273 00:12:00,867 --> 00:12:02,233 I was going a little quicker than the other car. 274 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:05,100 Yeah, you were going a little quicker than the other car. 275 00:12:05,166 --> 00:12:06,433 - [Darnise Lowe] Uh-hmm. - [Judge Acker] Irrespective 276 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:08,834 of whether or not you were an additional driver, 277 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:11,066 you still would have been liable for this accident. 278 00:12:11,133 --> 00:12:14,734 So I need you to help me understand why you are here. 279 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,333 Tell me where he refused your offer to make this right. 280 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,400 It's--okay. At first, they told me I was coming to court 281 00:12:20,467 --> 00:12:24,467 because I stole the vehicle from my mom is what William stated. 282 00:12:24,533 --> 00:12:25,967 And that's why I'm here 'cause he-- 283 00:12:26,033 --> 00:12:27,433 - she did not steal that car. - That's what, at first, 284 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:29,734 the whole court case was about. 285 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,066 But then when we got in here this morning, it said something else. 286 00:12:33,133 --> 00:12:34,433 It said that I totaled the vehicle. 287 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:35,934 I know I totaled the vehicle. 288 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,433 So help me understand that, Mr. Lee. 289 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:42,934 Initially, did you accuse her of stealing a car that you knew she was driving? 290 00:12:44,834 --> 00:12:47,400 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 291 00:12:47,467 --> 00:12:50,734 The vehicle that you rented has a certain speed cap on it, doesn't it? 292 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,633 - Correct. - He raised it for me. 293 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:53,800 [Judge DiMango] Why did he raise it? 294 00:12:53,867 --> 00:12:55,300 [dramatic musical sting] 295 00:12:57,165 --> 00:12:59,033 [theme music plays] 296 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:03,533 [announcer] Jaquay Carter and her son, William Lee, are suing Darnise Smith 297 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,200 and her daughter, Darnise Lowe, for $10,000 apiece. 298 00:13:08,266 --> 00:13:11,400 Jaquay and William claim that Darnise rented their Tesla 299 00:13:11,467 --> 00:13:14,233 that allowed her daughter to drive and wreck it. 300 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:18,166 Darnise claims that Jaquay and her son knew her daughter was driving 301 00:13:18,233 --> 00:13:21,600 and it was their fault for not informing the mobile car app 302 00:13:21,667 --> 00:13:23,667 of her daughter's involvement. 303 00:13:23,734 --> 00:13:27,967 Initially, did you accuse her of stealing a car that you knew she was driving? 304 00:13:28,033 --> 00:13:29,667 Correct. So her mother informed me 305 00:13:29,734 --> 00:13:31,467 that she didn't know where the vehicle was 306 00:13:31,533 --> 00:13:35,033 or anything at the time, and that was over the phone. 307 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,066 And there's a few other lies that I would like to point out in her state-- 308 00:13:38,133 --> 00:13:41,033 in all--in both their statements, if you don't mind. 309 00:13:41,100 --> 00:13:42,100 - So… - Have at it. 310 00:13:42,165 --> 00:13:43,667 … the first lie that they said, they said that they didn't know 311 00:13:43,734 --> 00:13:46,100 that the vehicle was fully autonomous. 312 00:13:46,165 --> 00:13:49,033 On the advertisement, it says in the description, 313 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:51,600 - "Get a full autonomous vehicle." - Got it. 314 00:13:51,667 --> 00:13:54,033 [William] Another thing that I would like to point out, in the agreement 315 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:58,367 that she--that the mother signed and she read, clearly, it says, 316 00:13:58,433 --> 00:14:00,600 "Guests are responsible for a $5,000 charge 317 00:14:00,667 --> 00:14:03,433 for the recovery of the vehicle if,"-- 318 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:06,567 and it says, "However it's not the same as the out-of-state vehicle charge. 319 00:14:06,633 --> 00:14:08,867 Please note, these are two separate charges." 320 00:14:08,934 --> 00:14:11,633 For another thing, it says, for 1.6 for additional drivers, 321 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:13,734 - "Hosts are not responsible…" - Sir, I think we got it. 322 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:14,800 - We got it. [William] - "Host are not able to…" 323 00:14:14,867 --> 00:14:15,867 You know what? Mr. Lee. 324 00:14:15,934 --> 00:14:17,467 Mr. Lee, what do you do for a living? 325 00:14:17,533 --> 00:14:19,166 So I'm an entrepreneur. 326 00:14:19,233 --> 00:14:23,100 I actually work in a legal department in Lancaster. 327 00:14:23,166 --> 00:14:26,700 I am also an administration of criminal justice student. 328 00:14:26,767 --> 00:14:27,767 - Yeah, I was gonna recommend… - [William] Yeah. 329 00:14:27,834 --> 00:14:29,867 - … law school. - [laughter] 330 00:14:29,934 --> 00:14:31,100 [Judge Acker] Judge DiMango. 331 00:14:31,166 --> 00:14:35,266 I think I wanna just kind of do a big picture thing here. 332 00:14:35,734 --> 00:14:40,400 They think that you guys engaged in a scam. 333 00:14:40,467 --> 00:14:42,233 That you, Ms. Smith, 334 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:45,100 let him think basically that you were driving the car, 335 00:14:45,165 --> 00:14:47,300 only put your name down on that 336 00:14:47,367 --> 00:14:50,500 because you really never could have done it. 337 00:14:50,567 --> 00:14:51,900 You didn't have a credit card, 338 00:14:51,967 --> 00:14:54,400 you probably have unpaid summonses, 339 00:14:54,467 --> 00:14:57,900 and you probably would've had insurance that it would've been much higher 340 00:14:57,967 --> 00:15:00,567 because you are a single young woman, 341 00:15:00,633 --> 00:15:03,233 whereas your mom would get a better deal. 342 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:07,700 So if she would have been listing her daughter as a secondary driver, 343 00:15:07,767 --> 00:15:09,567 what would you have had to do to clear her? 344 00:15:09,633 --> 00:15:10,734 I couldn't have done anything. 345 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,000 - They would have to wait 24 hours. - [Judge DiMango] Well, what would 346 00:15:12,066 --> 00:15:13,467 they would've done to clear her? 347 00:15:13,533 --> 00:15:15,967 So they have to wait 24 hours for approval, if she has any, 348 00:15:16,033 --> 00:15:19,200 I mean, outstanding tickets, citations, things of that nature. 349 00:15:19,266 --> 00:15:20,934 [Judge DiMango] Warrants, anything like that? 350 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,967 So you had every reason, the two of you, 351 00:15:24,033 --> 00:15:26,500 to not wanna provide them 352 00:15:26,567 --> 00:15:28,800 - with accurate information. - That's not true. 353 00:15:28,867 --> 00:15:29,867 [Judge DiMango] And you are gonna say no. 354 00:15:29,934 --> 00:15:31,867 So I wanna hear why you say no. 355 00:15:31,934 --> 00:15:33,700 If I would have known, I would have had my name on there. 356 00:15:33,767 --> 00:15:35,433 [Judge DiMango] No, no. I'm gonna tell you something. 357 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:36,500 - I think that's something… - [Judge DiMango] I can't--listen, 358 00:15:36,567 --> 00:15:39,934 there's nobody more ignorant about all of this stuff than me. 359 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,667 I was driving a car and I said to a friend of mine 360 00:15:42,734 --> 00:15:44,266 who was sitting next to me, 361 00:15:44,333 --> 00:15:45,867 "Jeez, I love this car. I wish it,"-- 362 00:15:45,934 --> 00:15:48,367 I drove it for three years. "I wish it had heated seats." 363 00:15:48,433 --> 00:15:51,066 And he goes, "It does have heated seats. There's the button." 364 00:15:51,133 --> 00:15:52,133 And there it was. 365 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,533 So you're talking to somebody who really is probably 366 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:55,900 more limited than the two of you. 367 00:15:55,967 --> 00:15:58,266 But I do know what I don't know, 368 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,667 and I do know what they're looking for on documents. 369 00:16:00,734 --> 00:16:02,800 And I think you're smart enough to know 370 00:16:02,867 --> 00:16:05,066 exactly why they wanna know who's driving, 371 00:16:05,133 --> 00:16:06,667 exactly what the issues are. 372 00:16:06,734 --> 00:16:08,233 And I don't really wanna hear anything else 373 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:09,734 'cause I don't believe you. 374 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,500 By the way, can we put up the accident? 375 00:16:11,567 --> 00:16:13,433 Because what's interesting about the accident 376 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:16,834 is you told him first, "Oh, that wasn't my fault, that accident." 377 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:18,500 I just want you to see the impact. 378 00:16:18,567 --> 00:16:20,467 I want you to see what happened to that vehicle. 379 00:16:20,533 --> 00:16:21,800 [Darnise Lowe] I know. I was there. 380 00:16:21,867 --> 00:16:22,934 [Judge DiMango] Yeah, I know you were there 381 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,700 and you're lucky that you can be here. 382 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:27,333 Okay, you're hitting that car. 383 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:28,900 - You're hitting them in the back. - [Darnise Lowe] Yeah. 384 00:16:28,967 --> 00:16:30,700 He went about two feet 385 00:16:30,767 --> 00:16:33,233 - to your 300 feet. - [Darnise Lowe] I--well, I swerved 386 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:35,266 so I wouldn't hit him like straight on 'cause we both… 387 00:16:35,333 --> 00:16:37,734 [Judge DiMango] Are you ever gonna stop just talking about stuff 388 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,800 that tries to absolve you of responsibility? 389 00:16:39,867 --> 00:16:41,266 - You were going in the 50s. - I know. 390 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:42,333 [Judge DiMango] You hit the car in the back. 391 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,533 They went like two miles an hour. 392 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,400 And he was correct when he said you were talking to him about everybody. 393 00:16:46,467 --> 00:16:48,467 You're like, "Oh, my kids are so traumatized. 394 00:16:48,533 --> 00:16:50,734 They're so traumatized." Yeah, they're traumatized 395 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,333 'cause you were driving like a moron. 396 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,400 - [chuckles] - [Judge DiMango] Now, the vehicle 397 00:16:54,467 --> 00:16:57,333 that you rented has a certain speed cap on it, doesn't it? 398 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,000 - Correct. - [Darnise Smith] He raised it. 399 00:16:59,066 --> 00:17:00,233 Why did you raise it? 400 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:03,133 Because we were driving and I couldn't catch up to him 401 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,934 'cause he was in his other Tesla. 402 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,467 And we was driving. He said that he can raise the speed. 403 00:17:07,532 --> 00:17:09,934 What is it you wanna say now, 'cause you increased her speed? 404 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,000 For what reason? 405 00:17:11,066 --> 00:17:13,300 [William] So, on the policy, I'm not--I'm not supposed 406 00:17:13,367 --> 00:17:14,900 to have a speed limit on there, 407 00:17:14,967 --> 00:17:16,934 but I can--but I'm able to raise it, yes. 408 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,133 She wanted to still go higher and you thought, "What a good idea"? 409 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,133 I didn't think before that, but it was not… 410 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,433 [Judge DiMango] You know, let me tell you something. 411 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:25,599 You think every word that's coming out of our mouths-- 412 00:17:25,666 --> 00:17:26,834 I see what you do there. 413 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:28,300 You're not somebody who doesn't think. 414 00:17:28,367 --> 00:17:31,133 You just wanna make the sale on these things sometimes. 415 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,467 You know, there's a certain responsibility that you have 416 00:17:33,533 --> 00:17:34,900 in a business as well 417 00:17:34,967 --> 00:17:37,066 where it's just not about making money. 418 00:17:37,133 --> 00:17:39,433 So, you know she's a driver. 419 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:41,000 Are you familiar with the form 420 00:17:41,066 --> 00:17:44,200 that they fill out to send to the company? 421 00:17:44,266 --> 00:17:46,000 - Am I familiar with it? Correct. - [Judge DiMango] I mean, you know 422 00:17:46,066 --> 00:17:47,500 what they filled out on there, correct? 423 00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:48,734 I don't know what they fill out on there, no. 424 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,333 It doesn't allow me to see it. You can even just look on the website. 425 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,633 I have to submit a request, which takes seven to 10 business days, 426 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:57,000 which I did do that after the accident 427 00:17:57,066 --> 00:17:59,400 to figure out that--to come to find out 428 00:17:59,467 --> 00:18:02,266 that Darnise Lowe was not an approved driver. 429 00:18:02,333 --> 00:18:04,400 So, as--me, as an independent contractor, 430 00:18:04,467 --> 00:18:07,633 me independently renting my vehicle to the platform, 431 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:10,700 I'm not able to access-- accessible to those… 432 00:18:10,767 --> 00:18:13,333 Access the information that the platform has. 433 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,700 - Correct. - [Judge DiMango] You pay them a fee 434 00:18:14,767 --> 00:18:17,533 basically to have them vet who they're getting. 435 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,934 - Correct. - And so now you know Lowe's driving. 436 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,333 Can you take the car back from her and say you're not allowed 437 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,567 - to drive or you don't know that? - No. 438 00:18:23,633 --> 00:18:26,100 Because on the policy, it clearly states that at no time 439 00:18:26,166 --> 00:18:28,834 am I able to take the vehicle back on my terms 440 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:31,033 - for renting the vehicle out. - So there's a breakdown then 441 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,767 between you and the company, because anybody then could rent 442 00:18:33,834 --> 00:18:37,633 the vehicle and they could just let anybody else drive the car. 443 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:40,834 And the penalty there is if there's an accident, 444 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:43,734 there is no coverage because they're not a named driver. 445 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,400 Then you're up, you know, the proverbial creek. 446 00:18:46,467 --> 00:18:48,266 That's why it has, in the agreement, that-- 447 00:18:48,333 --> 00:18:51,200 there's a $10,000 out-of-pocket expense 448 00:18:51,266 --> 00:18:52,266 for the damage. 449 00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:53,367 And here you are. 450 00:18:53,433 --> 00:18:55,200 - Yes. - [Judge DiMango] Judge Levy. 451 00:18:55,266 --> 00:18:58,500 So, Ms. Lowe, you would agree that the text messages 452 00:18:58,567 --> 00:19:00,767 that you sent immediately after the accident 453 00:19:00,834 --> 00:19:03,500 were that the other car drove through the intersection. 454 00:19:03,567 --> 00:19:05,767 - You said, "Blew through the stop sign." - Yes. 455 00:19:05,834 --> 00:19:09,166 But what you didn't tell him was that the police, 456 00:19:09,233 --> 00:19:11,400 when they arrived on scene with the ambulance, 457 00:19:11,467 --> 00:19:14,567 'cause there were two people in the other vehicle 458 00:19:14,633 --> 00:19:17,467 that you injured in a school zone. 459 00:19:17,533 --> 00:19:21,900 You never told him that the police only cited you 460 00:19:21,967 --> 00:19:24,066 for blowing through the stop sign 461 00:19:24,133 --> 00:19:25,967 and they specifically wrote 462 00:19:26,033 --> 00:19:28,567 that the other vehicle stopped. 463 00:19:28,633 --> 00:19:30,367 - Isn't that what happened? - Yeah. That is correct. 464 00:19:30,433 --> 00:19:32,033 [Judge Levy] Yeah. That's exactly what happened. 465 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:37,000 And on Teslas, USBs give a whole host of information. 466 00:19:37,066 --> 00:19:39,133 Why weren't your hands on the wheel 467 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,967 two seconds before you went into that intersection? 468 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:44,900 - They were. - [Judge Levy] No, they weren't. 469 00:19:44,967 --> 00:19:48,033 That's the reason why you wanted the auto driver. 470 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:50,166 [Darnise Lowe] I never used the auto drive when I drove that car. 471 00:19:50,233 --> 00:19:52,033 [Judge Levy] Of course, you did. Oh, time out. 472 00:19:52,367 --> 00:19:54,867 Here is what Tesla's report showed. 473 00:19:54,934 --> 00:19:58,700 You did not have your hands on the wheel five seconds before the accident. 474 00:19:58,767 --> 00:20:02,133 You only put your hands on the wheel one second before the accident. 475 00:20:02,467 --> 00:20:04,734 You did not manually apply the brakes 476 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,800 five seconds before the accident. 477 00:20:06,867 --> 00:20:09,800 You only applied the brakes one second before the accident. 478 00:20:09,867 --> 00:20:13,367 You were not seatbelted at the time of the accident, right? 479 00:20:13,433 --> 00:20:14,834 No, I had my seatbelt on. 480 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:16,066 - No, you didn't. - Yes. 481 00:20:16,133 --> 00:20:19,500 You were cited for that in the police accident reconstruction report. 482 00:20:19,567 --> 00:20:20,567 - I thought… - [Judge Levy] Let's do this. 483 00:20:20,633 --> 00:20:21,633 - They said to come back… - [Judge Levy] You know--you know, 484 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:23,300 everyone's dancing around it, Ms. Lowe. 485 00:20:23,367 --> 00:20:24,633 Is it your position 486 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:27,567 that your failure to include yourself 487 00:20:27,633 --> 00:20:30,266 on the mobile app had nothing to do 488 00:20:30,333 --> 00:20:31,734 with your driving record 489 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,567 or a criminal record 490 00:20:33,633 --> 00:20:36,533 that would have precluded the mobile app 491 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,033 from allowing you to drive? 492 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:39,767 - No. - [Judge Levy] No what? 493 00:20:39,834 --> 00:20:40,867 No, it wouldn't haven't. 494 00:20:40,934 --> 00:20:43,533 [Judge Levy] Did you have any prior moving violations 495 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,400 between, say, 2018 and 2022? 496 00:20:47,467 --> 00:20:48,667 Uh, I think so. Speeding. 497 00:20:48,734 --> 00:20:50,767 Speeding? How fast were you going? 498 00:20:50,834 --> 00:20:52,400 I don't know. I think 90. 499 00:20:52,467 --> 00:20:54,400 [Judge Levy] No. How about over a hundred? 500 00:20:54,467 --> 00:20:57,500 That's the reason you had your mother file for the app 501 00:20:57,567 --> 00:20:59,166 and put her information on it, 502 00:20:59,233 --> 00:21:01,900 because you, ma'am, in 2012, 503 00:21:01,967 --> 00:21:04,500 you were sentenced to six months' jail for accessory 504 00:21:04,567 --> 00:21:07,300 after the fact and gun charges, right? 505 00:21:07,367 --> 00:21:09,333 - That was you. - Possession of a--of a gun. 506 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,900 Possession of a--of a weapon. 507 00:21:10,967 --> 00:21:14,467 You went to jail hiding and concealing--a felon. 508 00:21:14,533 --> 00:21:17,233 2015, petty theft. 509 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:19,467 In 2018, you were taken to court 510 00:21:19,533 --> 00:21:21,266 because you rammed your car 511 00:21:21,333 --> 00:21:23,834 into an ex-boyfriend's girlfriend's car. 512 00:21:23,900 --> 00:21:27,500 In 2019, you were convicted of driving without a license, 513 00:21:27,567 --> 00:21:29,000 driving with a revoked license, 514 00:21:29,066 --> 00:21:30,867 and a suspended registration. 515 00:21:30,934 --> 00:21:34,133 2020, you were convicted of simple battery. 516 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,433 2021, shoplifting. 517 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:39,600 2021, operating without registration, 518 00:21:39,667 --> 00:21:41,700 operating without a valid driver's license, 519 00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:43,967 operating with a suspended driver's license. 520 00:21:44,033 --> 00:21:47,033 2022, you went over a hundred. 521 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:49,133 I mean, like give me a break. 522 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,200 And here you are, you think you're gonna come in here 523 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:53,567 and you're gonna BS us into believing that, 524 00:21:53,633 --> 00:21:55,967 "Oh, it was just an absolute oversight 525 00:21:56,033 --> 00:21:58,600 that I didn't apply on the app myself." 526 00:21:58,667 --> 00:22:01,433 - Uh-hmm. - You're a bald-faced liar. 527 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:03,000 You should be ashamed of yourself. 528 00:22:03,133 --> 00:22:04,533 And you, ma'am, knew it. 529 00:22:05,867 --> 00:22:08,400 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 530 00:22:08,467 --> 00:22:10,066 You gotta be careful 'cause there are scammers, 531 00:22:10,133 --> 00:22:12,000 liars, cheaters just like them. 532 00:22:12,066 --> 00:22:14,633 They wanna test your car out 'cause they don't care 533 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:16,600 if they crash it because they say, "Hey, 534 00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:18,400 I'm never gonna pay for it anyway." 535 00:22:18,467 --> 00:22:19,934 [dramatic musical sting] 536 00:22:21,667 --> 00:22:23,533 [theme music plays] 537 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,300 [announcer] Jaquay Carter and her son, William Lee, 538 00:22:26,367 --> 00:22:30,133 are suing Darnise Smith and her daughter, Darnise Lowe, 539 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,633 for $10,000 apiece. 540 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:35,734 Jaquay and William claim that Darnise rented their Tesla 541 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,700 then allowed her daughter to drive and wreck it. 542 00:22:38,767 --> 00:22:42,533 Darnise claims that Jaquay and her son knew her daughter was driving 543 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,133 and it was their fault for not informing the mobile car app 544 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,200 of her daughter's involvement. 545 00:22:48,266 --> 00:22:50,367 Here you are, you think you're gonna come in here 546 00:22:50,433 --> 00:22:52,700 and you're gonna BS us into believing that, 547 00:22:52,767 --> 00:22:55,233 "Oh, it was just an absolute oversight 548 00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:57,767 that I didn't apply on the app myself." 549 00:22:57,834 --> 00:23:00,934 - Uh-hmm. - You're a bald-faced liar. 550 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,500 You should be ashamed of yourself. 551 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,066 And you, ma'am, knew it. 552 00:23:04,133 --> 00:23:05,600 - You knew it. - No, I did not, sir. 553 00:23:05,667 --> 00:23:07,500 [Judge Levy] You knew. You didn't know anything about your daughter's history? 554 00:23:07,567 --> 00:23:08,967 No. She grown. I don't look at her records. 555 00:23:09,033 --> 00:23:10,567 You don't know anything about her history? 556 00:23:10,633 --> 00:23:12,133 I know she went to jail and stuff. 557 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,900 About her driving records, I don't know about that, sir. 558 00:23:14,967 --> 00:23:16,266 - [Judge Levy] Really? - Yes. 559 00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:17,700 - She didn't live with you? - She lived with me but… 560 00:23:17,767 --> 00:23:19,367 When was the last time she lived with you? 561 00:23:19,433 --> 00:23:20,500 Hmmm… 562 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:23,500 six months ago before she moved to Vegas. 563 00:23:23,567 --> 00:23:24,767 [Judge Levy] Right. So six months ago. 564 00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:25,967 - So you know when she's going to court… - [Darnise Smith] But I don't know 565 00:23:26,033 --> 00:23:27,266 - her driving records. - [Judge Levy] So you know 566 00:23:27,333 --> 00:23:29,800 when she's going--ma'am, why don't you just give her your car? 567 00:23:29,867 --> 00:23:31,433 - What you mean why I didn't… - I have my own car. 568 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:32,633 - [Judge Levy] Why didn't… - She have her own car, 569 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:34,467 but we wanted to rent a car. 570 00:23:34,533 --> 00:23:35,834 - Yeah. - [Darnise Lowe] The Tesla… 571 00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:38,266 [Darnise Smith] A Tesla [indistinct] to drive now. 572 00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:39,400 There's the truth. 573 00:23:39,467 --> 00:23:41,367 - I'm always renting cars. - [Judge Levy] There's the truth. 574 00:23:41,433 --> 00:23:44,333 You gotta be careful 'cause there are scammers, liars, 575 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,700 cheaters just like them. They have cars. 576 00:23:46,767 --> 00:23:49,567 They don't wanna drive their cars. They wanna test your car out 577 00:23:49,633 --> 00:23:50,633 'cause they don't care 578 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:51,700 - if they crash it… - We can rent a car. 579 00:23:51,767 --> 00:23:53,333 … because they say, "Hey, I'm gonna crash it, 580 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,667 I'm never gonna pay for it anyway." 581 00:23:54,734 --> 00:23:56,033 I don't like what he's saying. 582 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:57,433 You can't put your head in the sand, ma'am… 583 00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:58,500 - [Darnise Smith] I would have not… - … and think that you're not 584 00:23:58,567 --> 00:23:59,567 gonna be held responsible. 585 00:23:59,633 --> 00:24:01,867 You will be. I have nothing further. 586 00:24:01,934 --> 00:24:04,700 [Judge Acker] Question for you. Why didn't you advise […] 587 00:24:04,767 --> 00:24:08,266 and say, "I think we've got another driver 588 00:24:08,333 --> 00:24:10,166 who's not mentioned on the app." 589 00:24:10,233 --> 00:24:12,367 - Why didn't you put them on notice? - If you look in the report, I did submit 590 00:24:12,433 --> 00:24:14,533 a form actually like three-- 591 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,734 possibly three days after and before the accident… 592 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,400 [Judge Acker] So, when you submitted that form 593 00:24:18,467 --> 00:24:21,734 and by the time those seven to 10 days had elapsed, 594 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,633 the car had already been in an accident? 595 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:25,133 Correct, when I submitted the form. 596 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,967 And I believe I gave it to you guys. 597 00:24:27,033 --> 00:24:28,400 Uh, you didn't give that to us. 598 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:30,433 I can look for it if you'd like. 599 00:24:31,533 --> 00:24:34,900 I'm gonna ask Byrd to bring that back with us so we can take a look. 600 00:24:34,967 --> 00:24:36,700 - Okay. - [Judge Acker] I have nothing further. 601 00:24:36,767 --> 00:24:39,734 Then we are going to retire to deliberate. Thank you all. 602 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,300 [Cassandra] All right. This case is now in recess. 603 00:24:41,367 --> 00:24:43,266 The parties both may exit. 604 00:24:43,333 --> 00:24:46,700 [dramatic musical sting] 605 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,633 The defendants are absolutely clueless. 606 00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:51,533 Mom just puts her head in the sand 607 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,233 and her daughter is just a bald-faced liar. 608 00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:57,000 She knew full well that she was never going to be authorized 609 00:24:57,066 --> 00:24:59,533 by the mobile app to drive that car. 610 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,667 But here's the problem, 611 00:25:00,734 --> 00:25:04,567 that the text messages made clear that Mr. Lee was aware 612 00:25:04,633 --> 00:25:07,066 that Ms. Lowe was driving that car. 613 00:25:07,133 --> 00:25:09,867 And as the owner of the vehicle through the mobile app, 614 00:25:09,934 --> 00:25:13,567 you are notified when the primary driver requests 615 00:25:13,633 --> 00:25:16,867 and gets approved for an additional driver. 616 00:25:16,934 --> 00:25:18,900 So, he knew that she was driving 617 00:25:18,967 --> 00:25:20,133 - and he knew… - And I said that to him. 618 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,800 And I said, "It's more important to you to make the money 619 00:25:21,867 --> 00:25:24,567 than it is for you to actually have done the right thing here." 620 00:25:24,633 --> 00:25:27,500 But I think regardless of how those papers were filled out, 621 00:25:27,567 --> 00:25:30,934 this woman was completely responsible for this accident. 622 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,700 - Ten thousand dollars, I believe… - Denied no matter what. 623 00:25:32,767 --> 00:25:35,033 I believe that on case B, 624 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:38,233 which is Lee's case against Lowe 625 00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:41,300 for the damages to the vehicle, the $10,000, 626 00:25:41,367 --> 00:25:43,200 he's made out his burden. 627 00:25:43,266 --> 00:25:44,934 - No doubt it was her fault. - Yeah. 628 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,367 His mom, that's Mr. Lee's mom's, 629 00:25:47,433 --> 00:25:50,266 breach of contract case against Ms. Smith, 630 00:25:50,333 --> 00:25:53,233 however, I would not be willing to rule 631 00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:55,133 in plaintiff's favor on that case 632 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,166 because they did know 633 00:25:57,233 --> 00:26:00,100 that the mom let her daughter drive 634 00:26:00,166 --> 00:26:02,233 and she was not an authorized driver, 635 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:05,567 and I would not rule in the mom's favor on that charge. 636 00:26:05,633 --> 00:26:07,834 I'm gonna just throw in a little wrinkle 637 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:10,400 because he insists 638 00:26:10,467 --> 00:26:12,166 that he advised on the app 639 00:26:12,233 --> 00:26:14,967 that there was gonna be this other driver because he knew. 640 00:26:15,033 --> 00:26:16,400 I'm not sure he did that, 641 00:26:16,467 --> 00:26:19,133 because perhaps he too knew that there was a reason 642 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,934 why she wasn't naming herself as an additional driver. 643 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,233 I think it's an omission that troubles me a bit, 644 00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:27,834 because if that document existed, 645 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:30,467 I feel confident we would have had it, and we don't have it. 646 00:26:30,533 --> 00:26:34,734 So, I'm with you on dismissing mom's case against the defendants 647 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,600 but sustaining his case against the defendants. 648 00:26:37,667 --> 00:26:40,567 On case A, I'm still a little bit on the fence here 649 00:26:40,633 --> 00:26:44,066 because he has been pretty clear that he does not know 650 00:26:44,133 --> 00:26:47,033 that she is not a secondary driver on that app-- 651 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:48,133 - on that thing. - He does. He does. 652 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,533 And if you have to--tell me that because that's where 653 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,500 I'm saying he doesn't know that, and I took him as credible. 654 00:26:53,567 --> 00:26:56,633 The way the app works is once the primary driver, 655 00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:58,033 - defendant mom… - Uh-hmm. 656 00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:01,066 - … is approved, only she can… - Add the other… 657 00:27:01,133 --> 00:27:02,500 … add additional drivers. 658 00:27:02,567 --> 00:27:05,033 When those additional drivers are added, 659 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:08,467 of course, the mobile app notifies the owner of the vehicle 660 00:27:08,533 --> 00:27:10,367 that somebody else is driving your car. 661 00:27:10,433 --> 00:27:12,000 Did I ask him that? 'Cause I'm just curious, 662 00:27:12,066 --> 00:27:13,600 - and he said what to me? - He said--he said no. 663 00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:15,200 - And that… - Okay. I'm gonna go with it. 664 00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:16,467 - [Judge Levy] Yeah. - I'm gonna go with dismissal. 665 00:27:16,533 --> 00:27:18,333 I can't believe that they would not tell him 666 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,033 that there's more than one driver on the vehicle, 667 00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:21,500 because if he ran into them, 668 00:27:21,567 --> 00:27:22,867 - he might create a big issue. - [Judge Levy] You have a-- 669 00:27:22,934 --> 00:27:25,533 you have a right to know as an owner who's driving your vehicles. 670 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,033 Yeah. Okay. I'm good on that. 671 00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:28,867 That's what I really want. Thank you. 672 00:27:28,934 --> 00:27:31,767 [dramatic musical sting] 673 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,100 Court is back in session. 674 00:27:34,166 --> 00:27:36,700 All parties are reminded that you're still under oath. 675 00:27:36,767 --> 00:27:38,266 - Thank you, Cassandra. - You're welcome. 676 00:27:39,033 --> 00:27:42,533 [Judge Levy] Let's start with the B case. That is you, Mr. Lee, versus Ms. Lowe. 677 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:46,033 There is absolutely no doubt that this crash-- 678 00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:47,533 I'm not calling it an accident, 679 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,500 because when you go through an intersection 680 00:27:49,567 --> 00:27:52,066 at almost 60 miles an hour in a school zone 681 00:27:52,133 --> 00:27:54,233 without your hands on the steering wheel, 682 00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:56,133 it's not an accident anymore. 683 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,800 And but for the grace of God, 684 00:27:57,867 --> 00:27:59,300 she didn't kill somebody. 685 00:27:59,367 --> 00:28:00,600 Having said that, 686 00:28:00,667 --> 00:28:02,633 your car was trashed by her 687 00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:04,767 and she's gonna pay you that $10,000 688 00:28:04,834 --> 00:28:07,100 that you asked for in your complaint. 689 00:28:07,467 --> 00:28:11,367 However, case A, that's your case, ma'am, against Ms. Smith. 690 00:28:11,433 --> 00:28:13,967 That case is gonna be dismissed in part, 691 00:28:14,033 --> 00:28:16,934 Mr. Lee, because of something that you did. 692 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,300 It's being dismissed because at the end of the day, 693 00:28:19,367 --> 00:28:21,900 you knew that Ms. Lowe was driving. 694 00:28:21,967 --> 00:28:25,500 You have the obligation on behalf of all of us 695 00:28:25,567 --> 00:28:28,000 who drive and walk on the roads 696 00:28:28,066 --> 00:28:30,867 to make sure that people like Ms. Lowe over here 697 00:28:30,934 --> 00:28:33,367 don't get behind the wheel of your car. 698 00:28:33,433 --> 00:28:35,133 You could've shut off your Tesla. 699 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,900 You could've notified the police. 700 00:28:36,967 --> 00:28:40,133 There are consequences that come along with those decisions that you make. 701 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,266 So, case A, ma'am, 702 00:28:42,333 --> 00:28:45,033 your case against Ms. Smith is being dismissed. 703 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:49,166 And on case B, your case, Mr. Lee, against Ms. Lowe 704 00:28:49,266 --> 00:28:52,200 has been granted, and you receive a judgment 705 00:28:52,266 --> 00:28:54,333 in your favor of $10,000. 706 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,467 Thank you all for coming. 707 00:28:56,533 --> 00:28:57,533 [gavel bangs] 708 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,834 This case has been concluded. 709 00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:00,367 All parties are excused. 710 00:29:00,433 --> 00:29:04,367 [theme music plays] 711 00:29:04,433 --> 00:29:06,967 She should have settled it with us when we asked her to. 712 00:29:07,033 --> 00:29:09,166 Um, it's okay. I'll live with it. 713 00:29:09,233 --> 00:29:10,500 Their lies eventually caught up to them. 714 00:29:10,567 --> 00:29:12,934 We'll still rent cars. We always rent cars. 715 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,233 They had the audacity to do that. 716 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,266 - We're gonna do what's right. - Make sure that she's added 717 00:29:16,333 --> 00:29:17,767 on the contract next time. 718 00:29:17,834 --> 00:29:19,667 - Hopefully. - I'm happy to be alive. 719 00:29:19,734 --> 00:29:21,834 I just thought it was just crazy. 720 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:23,400 [announcer] Got family drama? 721 00:29:23,467 --> 00:29:26,567 Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 722 00:29:26,633 --> 00:29:28,800 Find us on social media 723 00:29:28,867 --> 00:29:30,867 at Tribunal Justice. 724 00:29:30,934 --> 00:29:33,934 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]