1 00:00:06,333 --> 00:00:07,567 She caught my eye. 2 00:00:07,633 --> 00:00:09,500 This is a very attractive woman. 3 00:00:09,567 --> 00:00:13,900 She comes in church looking very nice and had on red bottom shoes. 4 00:00:13,967 --> 00:00:15,934 - The Lord looks at those things. - Ooh. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,834 - You get engaged, correct? - Correct. 6 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:19,633 You break up. You keep a ring. 7 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:20,867 He wants his ring back. 8 00:00:20,934 --> 00:00:24,567 I was hurt, I was angry, I was distraught... 9 00:00:24,633 --> 00:00:26,400 You know that that was a gift that he gave you 10 00:00:26,467 --> 00:00:28,266 because he wanted you to be his wife. 11 00:00:28,333 --> 00:00:30,000 This could be a birthday gift too. 12 00:00:30,066 --> 00:00:31,200 Which clearly is a lie. 13 00:00:31,266 --> 00:00:34,333 I don't like when people take advantage of other people. 14 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,367 [announcer] Now, on Tribunal Justice. 15 00:00:37,433 --> 00:00:40,800 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays] 16 00:00:58,900 --> 00:01:02,400 [announcer] Today's case was filed in Minneapolis, Minnesota. 17 00:01:02,467 --> 00:01:06,333 [Cassandra] Your Honor, this is case number 2094, Seals versus Thompson. 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,700 All parties have been sworn in. 19 00:01:07,767 --> 00:01:09,300 - Thank you, Cassandra. - You're welcome. 20 00:01:09,367 --> 00:01:10,600 You may be seated. 21 00:01:11,166 --> 00:01:12,834 [Judge DiMango] Mr. Seals and Ms. Thompson, 22 00:01:12,900 --> 00:01:16,367 there was a time when the two of you were engaged to one another. 23 00:01:16,433 --> 00:01:21,233 And during that time, Mr. Seals, you bought the plaintiff a ring and a car. 24 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:26,200 And ultimately, you damaged that car and you paid to have it repaired. 25 00:01:26,265 --> 00:01:27,700 So you're here suing today 26 00:01:27,767 --> 00:01:29,900 because you're no longer engaged to one another. 27 00:01:29,967 --> 00:01:32,233 So you're here suing for the value of the ring, 28 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:34,667 which was $1,445 29 00:01:34,734 --> 00:01:37,133 and you wanna be reimbursed for the money you laid out 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,900 to repair the car that she damaged 31 00:01:38,967 --> 00:01:42,400 and that's $13,661. 32 00:01:42,467 --> 00:01:46,366 So the court maximum is what you're suing for, $10,000. 33 00:01:46,433 --> 00:01:48,166 What you say your defenses are, 34 00:01:48,233 --> 00:01:51,033 one, he gave you the ring as an irrevocable gift, 35 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:53,333 so you don't owe him anything for that. 36 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,567 And the second thing is, you don't owe him anything for the car because he loved you. 37 00:01:57,633 --> 00:02:00,066 He said he loved you and he wanted to fix the car 38 00:02:00,133 --> 00:02:02,367 and this is about him showing his love for you 39 00:02:02,433 --> 00:02:03,567 and he wanted to marry you 40 00:02:03,633 --> 00:02:06,200 and why would you have to pay him back for the car? 41 00:02:06,266 --> 00:02:08,032 So you don't owe anything, correct? 42 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:09,433 - Correct. - [Judge DiMango] Okay. 43 00:02:09,500 --> 00:02:11,400 Let's start with the relationship 44 00:02:11,467 --> 00:02:13,667 because that's pretty much what a lot of this is about. 45 00:02:13,734 --> 00:02:16,633 So Mr. Seals, first of all, how old are you, sir? 46 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:18,000 Sixty-three, Your Honor. 47 00:02:18,066 --> 00:02:19,767 - And proud of it, I could tell. - [James] Yes. 48 00:02:19,834 --> 00:02:21,433 - And ma'am, how about you? - Thirty-nine. 49 00:02:21,834 --> 00:02:23,000 [Judge DiMango] Thirty-nine. 50 00:02:23,066 --> 00:02:25,767 You, sir, met the defendant where? 51 00:02:25,834 --> 00:02:29,333 We met at church, maybe three and a half years ago. 52 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,767 Uh, one Sunday, she caught my eye. 53 00:02:31,834 --> 00:02:34,200 This is a very attractive woman. 54 00:02:34,266 --> 00:02:39,000 She comes in church looking very nice and had on red bottom shoes. 55 00:02:39,066 --> 00:02:40,800 - The Lord looks at those things. - [James] Ooh. 56 00:02:40,867 --> 00:02:43,000 [Judge DiMango] I think the only prayer you had at that time was, 57 00:02:43,066 --> 00:02:46,133 "Will she go out with me with those red bottom shoes?" 58 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,700 No, they just caught my eye. 59 00:02:47,767 --> 00:02:49,166 That was just something that caught my eye, Your Honor. 60 00:02:49,233 --> 00:02:50,300 [Judge DiMango] Because when you pray, you look down, 61 00:02:50,367 --> 00:02:51,633 - that's why you see the feet. - She was a Christ-- 62 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:54,600 she's a Christian woman, a prayer-- a God-fearing woman. 63 00:02:54,667 --> 00:02:57,100 That was more important than the shoes, believe me that. 64 00:02:57,166 --> 00:02:58,966 - Believe me. - I'm happy you're saying that. 65 00:02:59,033 --> 00:03:00,500 - [James] Yes, ma'am. - You met in church? 66 00:03:00,567 --> 00:03:03,100 Yeah. And we--you know, it's like we just-- 67 00:03:03,166 --> 00:03:05,066 we got to know each other for a while, 68 00:03:05,133 --> 00:03:07,934 you know, and he seemed, you know, always so nice 69 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 - and... - [Judge DiMango] I'm gonna tell you. 70 00:03:09,066 --> 00:03:11,066 I've come to learn that you don't always meet 71 00:03:11,133 --> 00:03:12,934 the most upstanding people in church. 72 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,266 And I remember when my mother was renting an apartment underneath where I lived. 73 00:03:16,333 --> 00:03:18,333 We wanted to be careful about who we were renting to 74 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,133 because there I was--I was a single woman. 75 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,867 And so she rented to this woman 76 00:03:22,934 --> 00:03:26,133 who was--in the church paper was saying she looked for an apartment. 77 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,166 My mother met her. She was, you know, in her 30s, 40s, whatever at the time. 78 00:03:30,233 --> 00:03:32,466 And one day I was outside getting in my car 79 00:03:32,533 --> 00:03:36,433 and all of a sudden some guy walks by, throws an ash can, the thing explodes. 80 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:38,367 I'm like, "Oh, my God, what's happening here?" 81 00:03:38,433 --> 00:03:42,166 Bottom line is, she was a predicate felon who owed money to loan sharks 82 00:03:42,233 --> 00:03:44,266 and was kind of like hiding out in this apartment. 83 00:03:44,333 --> 00:03:45,800 I make that point to both of you 84 00:03:45,867 --> 00:03:48,400 because it means nothing to me that you both met in church. 85 00:03:48,466 --> 00:03:50,667 But when do you start dating? How soon after you meet? 86 00:03:50,734 --> 00:03:53,966 So we started dating maybe three months after we met. 87 00:03:54,033 --> 00:03:55,500 It was post-COVID. 88 00:03:55,567 --> 00:03:59,800 But six months later, June of 2022, where do you go? 89 00:03:59,867 --> 00:04:01,633 We went looking at rings. Yes. 90 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:03,533 [Judge DiMango] We actually have a picture of that engagement ring. 91 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,333 In fact, this is the ring you're here suing-- 92 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:06,400 not for the ring. 93 00:04:06,467 --> 00:04:07,533 You said you don't want the ring, 94 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,533 you want the value of the ring, is that correct? 95 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,033 [James] Yes, but either or. I... 96 00:04:11,100 --> 00:04:12,100 - Oh, you'll take either or? - [James] ... would take the ring back-- 97 00:04:12,166 --> 00:04:14,100 I would take the ring back or the value of the ring. 98 00:04:14,166 --> 00:04:16,166 [Judge DiMango] Okay. And we do have a receipt in here showing 99 00:04:16,233 --> 00:04:19,399 that you made a payment for the ring and it was for the amount you're asking. 100 00:04:19,466 --> 00:04:20,700 - Yes, Your Honor. - [Judge DiMango] So this is June, 101 00:04:20,767 --> 00:04:22,667 - you get engaged, correct, June? - Correct. 102 00:04:22,734 --> 00:04:24,800 - When's your birthday, by the way? - [Nicole] July. 103 00:04:24,867 --> 00:04:26,367 - [Judge DiMango] July is your birthday. - [Nicole] Yup. 104 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:27,633 - He proposes and he gives you... - Yeah, in June. 105 00:04:27,700 --> 00:04:28,934 - ... the ring in June, right? - Yes. 106 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,967 And the reason why that's important is why, ma'am? 107 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,967 Because, uh--and I don't know if he remembers, 108 00:04:35,033 --> 00:04:38,166 but we discussed too, I was like, "This could be a birthday gift too." 109 00:04:38,233 --> 00:04:39,533 - Could be. - [Nicole] Yeah. 110 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,266 - But it wasn't. - [Nicole] Yeah, it was engagement. 111 00:04:41,332 --> 00:04:42,800 - It was an engagement ring. - Engagement ring. 112 00:04:42,867 --> 00:04:45,900 [Judge DiMango] The whole thing about the engagement ring, sir, is what? 113 00:04:45,967 --> 00:04:48,767 Is that a good thing for you that it was an engagement ring or a bad thing? 114 00:04:48,834 --> 00:04:50,900 That was a really good thing for me, Your Honor, 115 00:04:50,967 --> 00:04:53,433 because I fell in love with this young lady. 116 00:04:53,500 --> 00:04:56,633 I was 60-something-years-old and I fell in love 117 00:04:56,700 --> 00:04:59,567 and I was anticipating having a family. 118 00:04:59,633 --> 00:05:01,633 She's got some beautiful children. 119 00:05:01,700 --> 00:05:04,033 All this from church and a pair of red high-heeled shoes. 120 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:06,233 - I'm gonna go out and buy myself some. - Yes, Your Honor. Yes, Your Honor. 121 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:08,266 [Judge DiMango] So, you got a ring that you give her, 122 00:05:08,333 --> 00:05:11,033 and you're saying, you know, it's--you kind of gave it up. 123 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:13,000 It's your ring in contemplation of marriage. 124 00:05:13,066 --> 00:05:15,633 The difference with that is a regular gift, 125 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:17,300 if I give you a diamond necklace, 126 00:05:17,367 --> 00:05:19,867 is that it's called a gift inter vivos, 127 00:05:19,934 --> 00:05:22,000 and that means it's irrevocable. 128 00:05:22,066 --> 00:05:24,400 You can't take it back. It's not conditional. 129 00:05:24,467 --> 00:05:29,100 The engagement ring is conditional on what thing happening? 130 00:05:29,166 --> 00:05:30,233 [James] Marriage. 131 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:31,633 [Judge DiMango] Did you guys get married? 132 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:34,567 - No. - Then that contingency did not occur, 133 00:05:34,633 --> 00:05:39,332 and he would be entitled to the return of that ring or its value. 134 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,900 But you don't wanna give that ring back, do you? 135 00:05:41,967 --> 00:05:43,332 You know why? 136 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,967 Because I don't have it. 137 00:05:45,033 --> 00:05:46,600 No, you didn't say that in your papers, 138 00:05:46,667 --> 00:05:51,000 but you did say because, "It had such sentimental value to me." 139 00:05:51,066 --> 00:05:52,066 [James] Yes, Your Honor. 140 00:05:52,133 --> 00:05:53,266 - That's what she told me. - So sentiment--right. 141 00:05:53,332 --> 00:05:55,400 Well, she BS'd you, boy. 142 00:05:55,467 --> 00:05:57,200 - Um... - [Nicole] No, that was true. 143 00:05:57,266 --> 00:05:58,834 - That was--yeah. - That's true, but I gave it away? 144 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:00,200 - [Nicole] No. - I sold it? 145 00:06:00,266 --> 00:06:01,333 - [Nicole] No. - I lost it? 146 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,800 - Yes. I'm a preschool teacher, right? - [Judge DiMango] Yeah. 147 00:06:03,867 --> 00:06:05,633 So I have to take off my ring 148 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:08,066 so I don't, you know, injure the kids and stuff, 149 00:06:08,133 --> 00:06:10,800 and I put it in my bag, my work bag. 150 00:06:10,867 --> 00:06:12,233 - [Judge DiMango] Yeah. - And I couldn't find it. 151 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:13,900 [Judge DiMango] Now I feel like that happens with my bag, 152 00:06:13,967 --> 00:06:15,600 because I put things in there, it's like the black hole. 153 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:16,867 I never find them again. 154 00:06:16,934 --> 00:06:19,266 But the reality is, that's not what happened to that ring. 155 00:06:19,332 --> 00:06:20,500 - That's true. - You know it and I know it. 156 00:06:20,567 --> 00:06:23,567 That's what you'd like me to believe, but I don't for a second. 157 00:06:23,633 --> 00:06:26,533 Now, back to you. How do you go about buying her a car? 158 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,400 So, Your Honor, uh, one morning, I get a call. 159 00:06:29,467 --> 00:06:31,800 She says, "James, I need--I need a new car." 160 00:06:31,867 --> 00:06:34,533 Um, we discussed this a few times. 161 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,100 Then, uh, shortly after that, her car dies. 162 00:06:37,166 --> 00:06:38,967 - [Judge DiMango] Okay. - [James] I took her to the dealership, 163 00:06:39,033 --> 00:06:40,400 and we looked at some cars, 164 00:06:40,467 --> 00:06:42,133 and I took out a loan. 165 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,967 Just a minute. He bought a car. 166 00:06:44,033 --> 00:06:46,133 - He put the two of you down as buyer... - Yes. 167 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,834 [Judge DiMango] ... and co-buyer, because I saw that on the contract. 168 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:50,767 - Now the loan is not in your name. - No. 169 00:06:50,834 --> 00:06:52,633 - [Judge DiMango] The loan is in his name. - [James] Yes. 170 00:06:52,700 --> 00:06:54,667 [Judge DiMango] But who's making payments on that loan? 171 00:06:55,066 --> 00:06:57,600 You are. Was she making payments on that loan? 172 00:06:57,667 --> 00:06:58,700 - [James] Yes. Yes. - Okay. 173 00:06:58,767 --> 00:07:00,767 [Judge DiMango] And who's paying for the insurance on that? 174 00:07:00,834 --> 00:07:01,834 - You are? - Yes. 175 00:07:01,900 --> 00:07:03,467 - You're paying the insurance. - Insurance and then... 176 00:07:03,533 --> 00:07:06,667 Now what happens is, you crash the car. 177 00:07:06,734 --> 00:07:09,300 - Yes, Your Honor, on my way to work. - And you really smashed the car up. 178 00:07:09,367 --> 00:07:11,133 Let's take a look at the photographs up there 179 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,800 about what this car looked like. 180 00:07:13,467 --> 00:07:14,900 You were the only one in the car, I hope. 181 00:07:14,967 --> 00:07:16,467 Me and my twin daughters. 182 00:07:16,533 --> 00:07:17,533 [Judge DiMango] Were they in the back? 183 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,332 [Nicole] Yes, there's black ice. 184 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:20,734 [Judge DiMango] She gets in the accident, 185 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,467 car sits at your home for three months, correct? 186 00:07:23,533 --> 00:07:24,667 - Correct. - [Judge DiMango] You're not paying it, 187 00:07:24,734 --> 00:07:26,033 she's still paying it, allegedly. 188 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:27,533 There's no insurance on the car. 189 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,233 Let's make this clear. You let the insurance lapse. 190 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:32,066 Right. And I didn't know that until the... 191 00:07:32,133 --> 00:07:33,300 [Judge DiMango] Well, you should have known that. 192 00:07:33,367 --> 00:07:36,332 There's no excuse for not knowing whether your car's insured or not. 193 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,367 Now you then say, sir, "I'll fix the car for you," correct? 194 00:07:40,433 --> 00:07:42,133 - Yes, Your Honor. So it's... - [Judge DiMango] What was your agreement? 195 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,367 Because it is her car. She did cause the damage, 196 00:07:45,433 --> 00:07:48,500 So tell me why you think she owes you the money for this. 197 00:07:48,567 --> 00:07:50,667 You fixed it for her, didn't you? 198 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,266 I did it because I loved her. 199 00:07:53,332 --> 00:07:54,332 I'm gonna tell you something. 200 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,133 A lot of times I come out here and I go, "Scammer!" 201 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,100 But you know what I wanna say here? "Sucker!" 202 00:08:00,166 --> 00:08:01,166 Judge Levy. 203 00:08:02,166 --> 00:08:03,233 [Judge Levy] That was rough. 204 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:05,133 - [wheezing] - [laughter] 205 00:08:05,567 --> 00:08:07,300 Did you really love her? 206 00:08:07,367 --> 00:08:08,400 [James] Yes, Your Honor. 207 00:08:08,467 --> 00:08:10,200 [Judge Levy] Did you think she loved you? 208 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,834 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 209 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:16,800 The month the car was in the shop, she got argumentative, 210 00:08:16,867 --> 00:08:19,166 she didn't wanna have nothing to do with me, 211 00:08:19,233 --> 00:08:22,200 and then there's another man in the picture. 212 00:08:22,266 --> 00:08:23,600 [dramatic musical sting] 213 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:26,767 [theme music plays] 214 00:08:26,834 --> 00:08:30,266 [announcer] James Seals is suing ex-fiancée Nicole Thompson 215 00:08:30,332 --> 00:08:32,000 for $10,000. 216 00:08:32,066 --> 00:08:35,033 James says his ex needs to return the engagement ring 217 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:38,567 and pay for car damages on a car he co-signed for. 218 00:08:38,633 --> 00:08:41,033 But Nicole says the ring was a birthday gift 219 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:43,400 and she never asked to repair the car, 220 00:08:43,467 --> 00:08:45,300 so she owes him nothing. 221 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:47,600 Did you really love her? 222 00:08:47,667 --> 00:08:48,633 [James] Yes, Your Honor. 223 00:08:49,033 --> 00:08:51,133 [Judge Levy] Did you think she loved you? 224 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,100 Yes, Your Honor. I thought she loved me. 225 00:08:53,165 --> 00:08:55,700 - Uh, I've been... - [Judge Levy] What do you do? 226 00:08:55,767 --> 00:08:57,333 I'm a preschool teacher. 227 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,300 [Judge Levy] How much do you make as a schoolteacher? 228 00:08:59,367 --> 00:09:01,467 - [Nicole] Not much at all. - [Judge Levy] I didn't ask you 229 00:09:01,533 --> 00:09:02,533 - whether it was not much at all. - [Nicole] Like, 230 00:09:02,934 --> 00:09:04,300 - about $40,000. - I asked how much you make. 231 00:09:04,367 --> 00:09:06,633 $35,000, $40,000 a year. 232 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:07,767 [Judge Levy] How much was the car? 233 00:09:07,834 --> 00:09:10,066 - About what, $25,000? - Yes, sir. 234 00:09:10,133 --> 00:09:11,867 - And you needed a car, right? - Yes. 235 00:09:11,934 --> 00:09:13,800 - [Judge Levy] Needed a car for your job? - Yes. 236 00:09:13,867 --> 00:09:15,800 [Judge Levy] Needed a car to take around your seven kids? 237 00:09:15,867 --> 00:09:17,533 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] And you didn't have a car. 238 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,967 - [Nicole] No. - [Judge Levy] And the only way 239 00:09:19,033 --> 00:09:21,467 you were gonna get a car is if someone bought you a car. 240 00:09:21,533 --> 00:09:22,834 Not the only way, no. 241 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:24,066 [Judge Levy] How else were you gonna get a car? 242 00:09:24,133 --> 00:09:25,600 We--so we discussed this. 243 00:09:25,667 --> 00:09:26,734 [Judge Levy] How else were you gonna get a car? 244 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,834 - I was--I could've financed it myself. - [Judge Levy] Why didn't you? 245 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:32,400 Because the interest would've been cheaper with his credit than mine. 246 00:09:32,467 --> 00:09:34,900 [Judge Levy] That was the issue. She needed you. 247 00:09:34,967 --> 00:09:36,066 - She had seven kids... - No. 248 00:09:36,133 --> 00:09:38,300 ... she was making $35,000 a year, 249 00:09:38,367 --> 00:09:40,100 she had no transportation, 250 00:09:40,165 --> 00:09:41,967 and she knew she had you. 251 00:09:42,033 --> 00:09:43,700 Yes, Your Honor. I fell in love with her. 252 00:09:43,767 --> 00:09:45,533 I fell in love with all of her kids. 253 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,734 [Judge Levy] How old are your kids? 254 00:09:47,467 --> 00:09:50,433 Seventeen, fifteen, fourteen, 255 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,066 uh, twins that are, uh, thirteen and twins that are nine. 256 00:09:55,133 --> 00:09:56,700 [Judge Levy] Are they all from the same father? 257 00:09:56,767 --> 00:09:58,700 No. One's deceased. 258 00:09:58,767 --> 00:10:01,367 The other one does not pay support, but he supports them. 259 00:10:01,433 --> 00:10:02,467 He's a father. 260 00:10:02,533 --> 00:10:04,867 He takes care of them, their needs, their education, all that. 261 00:10:04,934 --> 00:10:06,033 She needed you. 262 00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:08,533 No, I didn't need him. And he knows that. 263 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:11,967 In your answer to his lawsuit with respect to the ring, 264 00:10:12,033 --> 00:10:13,400 you said you're not gonna give it back 265 00:10:13,467 --> 00:10:15,533 because, number one, it had sentimental value, 266 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:16,934 which clearly is a lie, 267 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,900 but you also said that it was a gift, it was a birthday gift. 268 00:10:19,967 --> 00:10:21,500 That's what you put in your papers, right? 269 00:10:21,567 --> 00:10:25,233 Right. When we spoke, I was like, this could be my gift--birthday gift too. 270 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:26,967 So you guys broke up at one point 271 00:10:27,033 --> 00:10:30,100 before the ultimate breakup after the crash, right? 272 00:10:30,166 --> 00:10:31,633 Yes, we broke up a couple of times. 273 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:34,600 When you broke up those couple of times, did she give you back the ring? 274 00:10:34,667 --> 00:10:35,967 - [James] Yes. - "Yup." 275 00:10:36,033 --> 00:10:40,367 She knew it was an engagement ring, which is why she gave it back to you. 276 00:10:40,433 --> 00:10:43,066 - Then, you got back together again. - Yes, sir. 277 00:10:43,133 --> 00:10:45,400 When you got back together again, what'd you do with the ring? 278 00:10:45,467 --> 00:10:46,467 [James] Gave it back. 279 00:10:46,533 --> 00:10:48,767 [Judge Levy] So you now admit that this gift, 280 00:10:48,834 --> 00:10:50,667 birthday gift that you could have kept, 281 00:10:51,033 --> 00:10:52,667 you nonetheless gave it back to him 282 00:10:52,734 --> 00:10:54,934 - when you broke up, right? - Right. 283 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,734 If she believed it was a birthday gift, she'd have kept it, but she didn't. 284 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,333 With respect to this $13,660 285 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,600 that you gave us evidence of what it cost to fix the car, 286 00:11:04,667 --> 00:11:07,700 the majority of your suit is trying to get that back from her, 287 00:11:07,767 --> 00:11:08,867 - correct? - Correct. 288 00:11:08,934 --> 00:11:10,100 [Judge Levy] Do you have anything in writing 289 00:11:10,166 --> 00:11:12,734 indicating how much she was gonna pay back, 290 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,000 when it was gonna start, when it was gonna end, 291 00:11:15,066 --> 00:11:16,400 how much per month 292 00:11:16,467 --> 00:11:18,934 or every other month she was gonna pay back? 293 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,200 - No, sir. - [Judge Levy] All right. Judge Acker. 294 00:11:21,266 --> 00:11:22,533 [Judge Acker] Thank you, Judge Levy. 295 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,166 And you, Mr. Seals, 296 00:11:24,233 --> 00:11:28,400 you know, the defendant submitted this text message from you 297 00:11:28,467 --> 00:11:30,233 where you basically say, 298 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:33,400 "We need to close this whole deal and move on. 299 00:11:33,467 --> 00:11:34,600 We don't need to go to court. 300 00:11:34,667 --> 00:11:37,967 I will eat the loss and we'll go on with our lives." 301 00:11:38,033 --> 00:11:39,367 So what happened? 302 00:11:39,433 --> 00:11:44,165 Yes, Your Honor. That was at a point where everything was chaotic. 303 00:11:44,233 --> 00:11:45,700 We had split up. 304 00:11:45,767 --> 00:11:47,500 Everything was horrendous. 305 00:11:47,567 --> 00:11:50,200 I was emotional, she was emotional. 306 00:11:50,266 --> 00:11:53,200 I was just trying to get through this thing. 307 00:11:53,266 --> 00:11:55,533 I was--I was hurt, angry. 308 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,734 I was--I was distraught. 309 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,066 I just wanted to close the door on everything. 310 00:12:01,133 --> 00:12:02,867 So why did you decide not to do that? 311 00:12:02,934 --> 00:12:04,967 Because I'll also point out to you, sir, 312 00:12:05,033 --> 00:12:09,633 that you said a couple of things both on your complaint and in court today, 313 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:12,233 which make me think that you didn't have a good faith basis 314 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:14,266 for thinking you were getting this money back. 315 00:12:14,333 --> 00:12:17,567 I mean, in your complaint, "I stepped up 316 00:12:17,633 --> 00:12:20,100 - and took the car to get it fixed." - Yes. 317 00:12:20,166 --> 00:12:22,333 [Judge Acker] Because your name is on the title. 318 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,533 So, all I know is that I see no basis 319 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,000 for you to impose on her a legal obligation to pay you back. 320 00:12:29,066 --> 00:12:30,233 I just don't see it. 321 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:32,600 I mean, did you ever attempt to give him any money? 322 00:12:32,667 --> 00:12:35,300 Did you pay him anything toward these repairs? 323 00:12:35,367 --> 00:12:37,433 - [Nicole] No, I did not. - [Judge Acker] So if you'd done that, 324 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:39,500 if she'd made a practice of paying you, 325 00:12:39,567 --> 00:12:43,033 then one might say, "Okay, perhaps there was an implied agreement." 326 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:44,266 But there wasn't that. 327 00:12:44,333 --> 00:12:47,200 I don't even hear you ever say that she said that she would pay you back. 328 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:48,433 - You're just hoping. - [James] Your Honor, 329 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:50,266 she did say she would pay me back. 330 00:12:50,333 --> 00:12:52,266 She--she's the type of person 331 00:12:52,333 --> 00:12:56,033 that doesn't want to take anything from anybody for nothing. 332 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:57,567 - She always tried... - Yeah, but I need him. 333 00:12:57,633 --> 00:12:59,800 She always made every attempt 334 00:12:59,867 --> 00:13:03,166 to get money to pay for the repairs of the car 335 00:13:03,233 --> 00:13:04,767 while we were together. 336 00:13:04,834 --> 00:13:08,300 But when we broke up, she didn't want to have anything-- 337 00:13:08,367 --> 00:13:11,300 And I had the car. She said, "I'm done with it." 338 00:13:11,367 --> 00:13:12,700 You got the car, 339 00:13:12,767 --> 00:13:13,934 - so you're stuck with it. - [Judge Acker] You have the car-- 340 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,100 so you have the car, correct? 341 00:13:15,166 --> 00:13:16,567 - Hold on. I'll get to you. - So, yes, but the reason 342 00:13:16,633 --> 00:13:18,467 I have the car, Your Honor, 343 00:13:18,533 --> 00:13:22,000 the month the car was in the shop, she changed dramatically. 344 00:13:22,066 --> 00:13:24,567 She got distant, she got argumentative. 345 00:13:24,633 --> 00:13:26,900 She didn't wanna have nothing to do with me. 346 00:13:26,967 --> 00:13:29,867 And then there's another man in the picture. 347 00:13:29,934 --> 00:13:33,633 This other man is all over her, all over her social media. 348 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:35,200 Is--hold on. Is this the person 349 00:13:35,266 --> 00:13:37,333 - that you ultimately married? - Yes. 350 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,367 How soon after you broke up with the plaintiff, 351 00:13:40,433 --> 00:13:41,967 uh, did you get married? 352 00:13:42,033 --> 00:13:44,767 Um, two months, three months. 353 00:13:44,834 --> 00:13:46,165 [Judge Acker] So you break up with him and you get married 354 00:13:46,233 --> 00:13:47,834 - two or three months later? - Yes. 355 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:50,033 [Judge Acker] So this is why we're here. 356 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:51,900 You hurt his feelings. 357 00:13:51,967 --> 00:13:54,834 He's still brooding over this old relationship. 358 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:58,900 And you decide to keep a ring, which frankly, that was pretty callous. 359 00:13:58,967 --> 00:14:00,834 You know that that was a gift that he gave you 360 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:02,934 because he wanted you to be his wife. 361 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,333 And so for you to keep it and then go on to marry somebody else, 362 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,767 no wonder he's like contriving legal obligations from whole cloth. 363 00:14:10,834 --> 00:14:11,867 He was mad. 364 00:14:11,934 --> 00:14:14,367 [Nicole] Can I speak? Like he just said, I don't need for nothing. 365 00:14:14,767 --> 00:14:16,467 I don't ask for nothing, so I didn't use this man. 366 00:14:16,533 --> 00:14:18,533 I was with this man three years. 367 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:19,967 He said out of his own mouth, 368 00:14:20,033 --> 00:14:22,567 I'm the type of woman that don't ask for nothing. 369 00:14:22,633 --> 00:14:26,333 So if I was using this man, I would have got everything I could out of this man. 370 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,800 That's one. 371 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:29,500 Two, he has the truck. 372 00:14:29,567 --> 00:14:30,800 That's why we broke up 373 00:14:30,867 --> 00:14:34,700 because what happened is-- we were--I was distant, right? 374 00:14:34,767 --> 00:14:37,333 But that's because we broke up before. 375 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,567 And he's the type of a person-- he's a--he--that's conditional love. 376 00:14:40,934 --> 00:14:41,934 That's what I tell him. 377 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,100 - Everything has condition. - [Judge Acker] Honestly, 378 00:14:43,165 --> 00:14:45,165 it really doesn't matter. 379 00:14:45,233 --> 00:14:47,600 He got you a car. He paid to get the car fixed. 380 00:14:47,667 --> 00:14:49,867 He wants his money back. He wants his ring back. 381 00:14:51,165 --> 00:14:53,734 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 382 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,567 Two days after you two break up, you're online with some guy, 383 00:14:58,633 --> 00:15:02,633 posting pictures of yourself with him in all sorts of places. 384 00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:04,233 [dramatic musical sting] 385 00:15:06,166 --> 00:15:07,967 [theme music plays] 386 00:15:08,033 --> 00:15:11,567 [announcer] James Seals is suing ex-fiancée Nicole Thompson 387 00:15:11,633 --> 00:15:15,734 for an engagement ring and car repairs after the two broke up. 388 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,667 Nicole says she never asked James for anything 389 00:15:18,734 --> 00:15:22,266 and that everything he bought and did was on his own, 390 00:15:22,333 --> 00:15:24,333 so she owes nothing. 391 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,300 [Judge Acker] It never occurred to you that after all of this drama, 392 00:15:28,367 --> 00:15:32,333 you thought you had no obligation whatsoever with respect to the ring? 393 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,066 [Nicole] Well, Your Honor. 394 00:15:34,133 --> 00:15:37,533 We broke up in October and then got the ring--the truck fixed. 395 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,767 I had paid him the payment-- the car payment, 396 00:15:39,834 --> 00:15:40,834 and then he held the truck. 397 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:42,165 He wouldn't give me the truck back. 398 00:15:42,233 --> 00:15:44,266 So I'm like, "Well, I paid you for this month 399 00:15:44,333 --> 00:15:46,533 and you ain't--you're holding the truck over my head 400 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,100 and you won't even give it back to me?" 401 00:15:48,165 --> 00:15:50,165 And I told him, "If you give me the money for this month--" 402 00:15:50,233 --> 00:15:52,867 [Judge Acker] But you understand the liability and risk 403 00:15:52,934 --> 00:15:54,800 that you exposed him to 404 00:15:54,867 --> 00:15:59,033 by having possession of the car on which both of your names are on title 405 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:01,367 and you didn't keep up the insurance. 406 00:16:01,433 --> 00:16:03,633 So if instead of having that accident, 407 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:05,867 - what if you killed somebody... - [Nicole] Right. 408 00:16:05,934 --> 00:16:09,734 ... and then this man who thought that he was starting a new life with you 409 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,467 would end up bankrupt. 410 00:16:11,533 --> 00:16:14,133 So of course he's gonna take that property back. 411 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,600 You weren't responsible enough in order to keep it. 412 00:16:16,667 --> 00:16:19,433 He took it back because he's got to protect himself. 413 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:21,767 - I don't have anything else. - [Judge DiMango] I do. 414 00:16:21,834 --> 00:16:25,166 Because I don't like when people take advantage of other people, 415 00:16:25,233 --> 00:16:28,600 especially who they know have feelings for them 416 00:16:28,667 --> 00:16:30,767 to a larger degree than you do. 417 00:16:30,834 --> 00:16:33,900 Now you're saying, "I was upset about the truck." 418 00:16:33,967 --> 00:16:37,333 Meanwhile, two days after you two break up, 419 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,633 you're online with some guy? 420 00:16:39,700 --> 00:16:44,300 You're posting pictures of yourself with him in all sorts of places. 421 00:16:44,367 --> 00:16:45,700 - It was five days later. I was... - Come on. You were too. 422 00:16:45,767 --> 00:16:46,767 - All of the things... - I was hurt. 423 00:16:46,834 --> 00:16:49,066 [Judge DiMango] ... that you're saying are to suit you 424 00:16:49,133 --> 00:16:50,834 and why you think you shouldn't pay him back. 425 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:52,667 But I was thinking of something, 426 00:16:53,165 --> 00:16:55,834 because something you said and something more that you said. 427 00:16:56,367 --> 00:16:59,533 He fixed the car because he loved you, 428 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,300 - right, according to you? - [Nicole] Right. 429 00:17:01,367 --> 00:17:02,667 He fixed the car 430 00:17:02,734 --> 00:17:05,567 - because he was gonna marry you, right? - Right. 431 00:17:05,633 --> 00:17:08,800 If he wasn't gonna marry you, do you think he would have fixed the car? 432 00:17:08,867 --> 00:17:10,967 - Yes or no? - No. 433 00:17:11,032 --> 00:17:12,266 [Judge DiMango] Did you fix the car 434 00:17:12,333 --> 00:17:14,834 - because you were gonna marry her, sir? - [James] Yes. 435 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:19,066 [Judge DiMango] So there's nothing in the Civil Rights Law Section 80, 436 00:17:19,133 --> 00:17:22,333 which controls gifts in contemplation of marriage, 437 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,967 there's nothing in that which would prevent you 438 00:17:25,032 --> 00:17:28,734 from getting more than one gift in contemplation of marriage. 439 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,533 And it doesn't have to be a ring. 440 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,867 If I found that that was a gift in contemplation of marriage, 441 00:17:34,934 --> 00:17:38,367 who do you think would have to pay back, you or him? 442 00:17:38,433 --> 00:17:39,500 You. 443 00:17:39,967 --> 00:17:41,233 I don't have any other questions. 444 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:42,533 Are we ready? 445 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,500 Then we are gonna retire to deliberate. 446 00:17:44,567 --> 00:17:46,533 - Thank you both. - Thank you. 447 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,400 This case is now in recess. All parties will be recalled. 448 00:17:49,467 --> 00:17:52,667 [dramatic musical sting] 449 00:17:53,767 --> 00:17:55,467 First of all, I see no way 450 00:17:55,533 --> 00:17:57,600 to find otherwise than the engagement ring was a gift 451 00:17:57,667 --> 00:17:59,233 in contemplation of marriage. 452 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:02,400 And to think that she lost it by putting it in her bag 453 00:18:02,467 --> 00:18:04,166 and has never found it ever since-- 454 00:18:04,567 --> 00:18:06,233 she's just not trustworthy in my view. 455 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:08,633 She manipulated the situation and him. 456 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:11,834 So I'd like to return the ring value at least 457 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:13,900 because we can't do much else. 458 00:18:13,967 --> 00:18:15,066 The car. 459 00:18:15,133 --> 00:18:18,333 Would you both be on board with finding that that was also a gift 460 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,633 in contemplation of marriage 461 00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:22,400 which would require her to repay him for that? 462 00:18:22,467 --> 00:18:23,567 I--it's a stretch. 463 00:18:23,633 --> 00:18:25,166 [Judge DiMango] Why? Because it is. 464 00:18:25,233 --> 00:18:27,500 I mean, she claims that she wrote it in her papers, 465 00:18:27,567 --> 00:18:29,967 "It's because he loved me and he wanted to marry me." 466 00:18:30,033 --> 00:18:31,633 No different than giving the ring over. 467 00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:33,266 It doesn't say you can't have more than one. 468 00:18:33,333 --> 00:18:36,433 But I think a gift in contemplation of 469 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:39,233 is different than a gift because of, 470 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:40,266 - right? - Yeah. 471 00:18:40,333 --> 00:18:43,033 So, I'm giving you this in anticipation 472 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:44,567 - of our getting married... - [Judge DiMango] Right. 473 00:18:44,633 --> 00:18:47,133 ... is different than, "I love you a lot 474 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,367 and now I'm gonna give it to you 475 00:18:48,433 --> 00:18:50,066 - because I care about you so much." - Like they need to be both gifts. 476 00:18:50,133 --> 00:18:51,934 - Yeah. Yeah. - I see the distinction, I see it. 477 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 But I think that he wouldn't have even made that as a gift 478 00:18:55,066 --> 00:18:57,200 but for the fact that they were going to get married. 479 00:18:57,266 --> 00:18:58,633 And I'm pushing it. 480 00:18:58,700 --> 00:19:02,266 I know I am, but I just feel in some way she doesn't walk away from this 481 00:19:02,333 --> 00:19:04,834 being penalized for her actions, and that bothers me. 482 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:07,166 So I'll hear you all, I'm still open. 483 00:19:07,233 --> 00:19:09,600 Someone else is eventually gonna end up judging her. 484 00:19:09,667 --> 00:19:10,667 Hmm. 485 00:19:10,734 --> 00:19:11,767 The red shoes aren't gonna get her in, you think? 486 00:19:11,834 --> 00:19:14,266 Her red shoes are most certainly, maybe. It depends where she goes. 487 00:19:14,333 --> 00:19:15,800 Maybe the red shoes will be good 488 00:19:15,867 --> 00:19:17,200 - where she's going. - That's true. 489 00:19:17,266 --> 00:19:18,633 - Uh... - [laughs] 490 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:19,700 Yes, sir. 491 00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:21,467 [laughter] 492 00:19:21,533 --> 00:19:24,066 Listen, she lied clearly about that ring. 493 00:19:24,133 --> 00:19:27,600 It was not a birthday gift that she believed was hers to keep. 494 00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:29,900 It was an engagement ring, which is why she gave it back 495 00:19:29,967 --> 00:19:31,967 - when they broke up the first time. - I saw that in the papers as well. 496 00:19:32,033 --> 00:19:33,834 I said, "Look, she gave it back after they broke up." 497 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:34,900 [Judge Levy] It was so obvious. 498 00:19:34,967 --> 00:19:36,567 And she came in here and she lied about it. 499 00:19:36,633 --> 00:19:40,934 And so he gets the value of that ring, which is $1,445. 500 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,600 As far as the, uh, the money that he spent to repair the car, 501 00:19:44,667 --> 00:19:45,667 - that... - You can't--you can't... 502 00:19:45,734 --> 00:19:46,967 - [Judge Levy] I can't... - ... just push yourself a little bit. 503 00:19:47,033 --> 00:19:48,600 [Judge Levy] I can't, not under the circumstances. 504 00:19:48,667 --> 00:19:50,433 You know, he was blinded by love 505 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:53,433 and this is his lesson that next time don't be so blinded. 506 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:54,867 [Judge Acker] Yeah, I think I'm with Adam. 507 00:19:54,934 --> 00:19:57,433 I guess the lesson is you have to be more careful 508 00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,633 before you step up like that. 509 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:04,667 So my legal acumen keeps me in check with the fact that, you know what? 510 00:20:04,734 --> 00:20:06,800 It would have been a nice theory. I looked at it. 511 00:20:06,867 --> 00:20:08,266 - It was. - It was. It was after I was listening. 512 00:20:08,333 --> 00:20:10,667 I liked the theory. I was hoping we could stretch it. 513 00:20:10,734 --> 00:20:12,200 - It wasn't a bad theory. - It wasn't a bad theory. 514 00:20:12,266 --> 00:20:14,533 - It's not a bad theory. - But it was just-- 515 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:15,900 I wouldn't want the world to say, 516 00:20:15,967 --> 00:20:17,800 - "Really, she found that was it?" - Under these facts, right? 517 00:20:17,867 --> 00:20:19,700 - Just not on--not on these facts. - [Judge DiMango] Okay. 518 00:20:19,767 --> 00:20:22,266 We're going to just return the money for the ring 519 00:20:22,333 --> 00:20:24,133 and, um, call it a day. 520 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,533 - Sounds good. - All right, ready. 521 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,800 [dramatic musical sting] 522 00:20:28,867 --> 00:20:30,066 [Cassandra] Court is back in session. 523 00:20:30,133 --> 00:20:32,500 All parties are reminded that you're still under oath. 524 00:20:32,567 --> 00:20:34,033 Thank you, Cassandra. 525 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:37,600 I really was stretching, trying to find a way 526 00:20:37,667 --> 00:20:41,867 that the repairs were a gift in contemplation of marriage. 527 00:20:41,934 --> 00:20:45,367 But in reasoning it through with my colleagues in the back, 528 00:20:45,433 --> 00:20:48,633 I just couldn't set aside the reality here, 529 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:52,834 which was that you did this because of how you felt about her. 530 00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:55,033 So sir, the only remedy here for you 531 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:58,333 is the return of the value of the ring, 532 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,934 $1,445, which is due to you 533 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,333 because this was a gift in contemplation of the marriage 534 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,433 and is indeed something that you were entitled back. 535 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:10,934 As to the money you put out for the car, you're a good man. 536 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,900 You get it out of the goodness of your heart. 537 00:21:12,967 --> 00:21:16,066 But the bottom line is you have the car, you can sell it, 538 00:21:16,133 --> 00:21:17,333 reimburse yourself for it. 539 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,633 So to that extent, 540 00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:23,100 I don't feel as bad that the law is not in your favor in this case. 541 00:21:23,533 --> 00:21:25,667 But I think you've got to go into situations 542 00:21:25,734 --> 00:21:28,166 with your eyes wide open, not looking down 543 00:21:28,233 --> 00:21:31,000 to see whether or not they're wearing Louboutin shoes or not. 544 00:21:31,066 --> 00:21:33,100 So sir, the verdict is in your favor. 545 00:21:33,166 --> 00:21:36,934 It's unanimous, $1,445. 546 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,834 Spend it wisely. 547 00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:40,300 - Yes, Your Honor. - [gavel bangs] 548 00:21:40,367 --> 00:21:43,367 This case is closed. All parties are dismissed. 549 00:21:43,433 --> 00:21:46,900 [theme music plays] 550 00:21:46,967 --> 00:21:47,967 He's hurt. 551 00:21:49,367 --> 00:21:51,600 Then I moved on quick, that we're not getting married. 552 00:21:51,667 --> 00:21:53,967 No. Um, there's no jealousy about that, no. 553 00:21:54,033 --> 00:21:55,700 It's the only reason he's doing it. 554 00:21:55,767 --> 00:21:58,700 No, no. She jumped into a rebound deal 555 00:21:58,767 --> 00:22:01,300 and we know that that stuff don't work. 556 00:22:01,367 --> 00:22:02,867 The heart wants what the heart wants. 557 00:22:02,934 --> 00:22:05,066 You know, I've forgiven her. I haven't forgotten. 558 00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:07,233 I've forgiven her, but I haven't forgotten, so... 559 00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:08,800 [announcer] Got family drama? 560 00:22:08,867 --> 00:22:12,000 Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 561 00:22:12,066 --> 00:22:16,266 Find us on social media at Tribunal Justice. 562 00:22:16,333 --> 00:22:19,633 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]