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He made a deal with you
to sell you X number of cards

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- at X dollars?
- Correct.

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And you just ghost him, you don't respond?

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I was still paying him.

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So I just wanna let you know
that when I was a young girl,

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I did collect baseball cards.

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I'm not even gonna tell you
who the players were

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because then that would date me,
so I'm not gonna do that.

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Ty Cobb?

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[laughter]

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Ignore him.

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[announcer] Now on Tribunal Justice.

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["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]

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[announcer] Today's case
was filed in McKinney, Texas.

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Your Honor, this is case number 2049
Taylor versus McLain.

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All parties have been sworn in.

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- Thank you, Cassandra.
- You're welcome.

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You may be seated.

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[Judge Levy] All right.

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Mr. Taylor, you sold the defendant

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16 high-end basketball cards for $56,000

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according to your complaint.

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You had Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant,
LeBron James, and others.

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You say that the defendant gave you
a check for $56,000.

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He took possession of the cards.

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You deposited his check

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and then you were notified by the bank
that the check did not clear.

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You contacted the defendant.

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He made good on some of the payments,
he stopped,

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and you claim he owes you over $20,000.

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You're suing him for $10,000
because that's the jurisdictional limit.

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- Is that correct?
- Yes, Your Honor.

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Before I go on to the defendant's case,
I wanna ask you,

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did the defendant tell you why he believed
that the check bounced?

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He said he was waiting
on a wire transfer from a broker.

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Yes. Stockbroker, wire transfer
was supposed to come through.

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It never did and got delayed.

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Did he ever tell you
that the check was cancelled?

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- [Jeffrey] No.
- He didn't tell you

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- that he stopped payment on it?
- No.

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Okay. Now, Mr. McLain, you say
you don't know what he's talking about.

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What you say is that you bought
seven cards for $25,000.

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There were other cards
that you had on consignment

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and when you sold those cards,
you were gonna split the money with him.

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But the price and the value of the cards,
they went down.

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You offered him the cards back.
He said, "No."

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And this is where we are. Is that right?

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Um, partly.

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We met five hours from my house
at a baseball card shop.

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We had done two prior deals to this,
which were fine.

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So this is the third deal.

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We met, he showed me the cards,

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and I said,
"What do you value these cards at?"

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- And he said, "Around 25,000."
- How many--

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- how many cards are we talking about?
- Seven.

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So you say seven cards

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but you very clearly in your complaint say
16 high-end cards.

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And then it wasn't 25,000,
you say it was 56,000.

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- So right off the bat, you don't know...
- I know what I'm talking about.

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- ... what he's talking about...
- He doesn't know what he's talking about.

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[Judge Levy] ... and you don't know
what he's talking about.

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No. I think he's confusing
two different deals.

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And I would tend to agree.

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So Mr. Taylor, a moment ago

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- when I asked you about that check...
- Uh-hmm.

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... because that would seem to me
to be the smoking gun in this case.

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- [Jeffrey] Uh-hmm.
- You say he gave you $56,000 check.

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Did you ever give him a $56,000 check?

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- No.
- [Judge Levy] No.

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But you said to me
very clearly a moment ago

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was that you thought
that he didn't have the money

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but that he most certainly
did not stop payment

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or cancel that check.

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- You said that, right?
- As far as I know...

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- [Judge Levy] Well, as far as you know.
- I mean, I don't--I don't--no.

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- He didn't tell that to you.
- He didn't tell me anything. No.

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So, show me a copy
of the $56,000 cancelled check.

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I do not have a copy of that.
It was ATM--it was ATM deposited.

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Yeah. Is that what you expect
all of us to believe

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that you put a check into the ATM
and poof, it goes to ATM heaven?

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Listen, you go into your bank
on the computer

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and you can pick up the actual copy.

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They show you
what the front of the check is,

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what the back of the check is.

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So you have the one bank
that that doesn't happen to?

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I do not have a copy of that check.

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[Judge Levy] Yeah, of course not.

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You wanna know why
you don't have a copy of the check?

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Because he never wrote a check
for this deal.

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Now, you want him to pay you $10,000,
your burden of proof.

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And by the way, this was July 10th, right?

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July 10th is when you guys met
at the shop?

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- Yes.
- Yes. Like two years ago.

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[Judge Levy] Yeah. Right? Good.
Show me a bill of sale

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for 16 cards.

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- A bill of sale?
- [Judge Levy] Yeah, bill of sale.

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I collected baseball cards for 20 years.

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I always got a bill of sale.

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Why don't you explain to us what happened.
What really happened?

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Uh, we met. He's from Dallas
and I'm five hours south.

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We met at a baseball card shop.
He walked in with the cards.

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I said, "What do you think they're worth?"

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If I remember exactly, the conversation
was like, "Around 25,000, 26,000."

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I said, "When I get home, um, I've got
some money coming from a brokerage.

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I will pay you.

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I'm gonna check the values out of the card
and make sure we're on the same page."

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[Judge Levy] Okay, stop.

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Mr. McLain, you don't want me doing to you
what I just did to him, right?

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- No, sir.
- [Judge Levy] So stop with the nonsense.

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How long have you been buying
and selling basketball cards,

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collectible cards?

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Uh, about five years.

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You don't think twice about dropping
$25,000 on collectibles, do you?

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Not if they're the players
that I generally collect, no.

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Right. And you want me to believe
that you, knowing what you do,

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knowing how long you've done it,
knowing you're in the business,

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went and took possession of cards
all for $25,000

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and didn't know what the value was?

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- Uh...
- [Judge Levy] Right?

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... not at that exact second, I didn't.

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But I don't remember seeing all of them.

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He might have sent pictures of them,
texting, stuff like that...

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- [Judge Levy] Well, that's exactly right.
- ... possibly. Yeah.

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[Judge Levy] So on July 10th,
before you met with him,

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you requested that he send you a list

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with the price that he had charged
for each card.

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The next day, plaintiff provides you
with a detailed list of 16 cards

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including grade and price, right?

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Yes, Your Honor.

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- [Judge Levy] Right?
- Correct.

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So now you are acknowledging
that it's no longer seven cards

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but it's actually 16 cards
that this deal included.

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- The whole deal, but...
- [Judge Levy] Right.

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... we didn't do the whole deal.

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And the total was $56,700, right?

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If I would have got all the cards,
that's correct.

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I got seven cards,
which is what he sued me for.

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[Judge Levy] Hold on. And not one text.

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Was there any indication that there
was anything less than 16 cards?

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And then the next set of texts
was July 13th.

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This is just three days
after you purchased the cards.

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You say because the current price
is drastically reduced,

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according to what you saw
than the original sale price,

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you're willing to keep them

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and send him money every few days
until paid in full

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- or give the cards back?
- Correct.

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[Judge Levy] But you wanted
to knock off $3,000.

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- Right.
- [Judge Levy] And then you said,

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"I can start paying you
and get this done inside of the month."

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So we know now that
there is gonna be a definitive end date

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if he doesn't take the cards back

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- till the end of July, right?
- Correct.

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And the total purchase price now
became $54,000.

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- For the whole collection, yes.
- [Judge Levy] 54,000.

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You sir, you say to the defendant,

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you asked him to send you 2,500,
you confirmed.

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- The new balance is $51,500, right?
- Yes, Your Honor.

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- [Judge Levy] Do you remember that?
- Correct.

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[Judge Levy] And then you agree
to send him another wire for $2,500

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- and you did, right?
- [Brian] Yeah.

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- And you got that, right?
- Yes, Your Honor.

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[Judge Levy] You both agree there
was a new balance of 49,000.

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But then, August of 2021,

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you, Mr. Taylor, find out

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that the defendant is selling the cards
on eBay.

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- Yes, Your Honor.
- And that was a surprise to you.

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Yes. Yes, Your Honor. Because...

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And that is where I'm gonna leave off.
Judge Acker.

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Was it your understanding, sir,

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that you were to pay him back only
when you were able to resell the cards?

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Correct. And, uh, it was
a quick understood consignment,

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"Hey, I'm gonna move these for you
through eBay,

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through auction houses,
through my channels."

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When did the two of you have
that conversation?

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- Uh, at that card shop in July...
- So in July

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when you took possession of the cards,

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it's your position
that this was a consignment deal?

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Yes. And I was going to pay him
based on the value he gave me

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which I verbally agreed to

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and then realized was different
once I got home.

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The entire market went down for...

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Yeah, I'm interested in that
but not quite yet.

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I just would like
a little more background information.

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Mr. Taylor, where do the cards come from
in the first place?

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How do they make their way
into the marketplace?

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So there is a license agreement
between manufacturers of cards

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and, um, their perspective league,
NBA, NFL, or whatever.

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And license agreement allow them
to print cards with names and likenesses

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and team names and whatnot.

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So that's how, um, these manufacturers
get the right to produce these cards.

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I think we have some of these cards

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because these were cards
in your possession

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that you sold to the defendant?

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- [Jeffrey] Yes, Your Honor.
- How much is that Steph Curry card worth?

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Uh, the one on the right
is worth roughly today around $800.

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$700 to $800.

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How about the one on the left?

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[Jeffrey] Um, that one
is about 400, 500.

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I'm not buying them, by the way.
I'm just...

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[laughter]

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And so, you maintain
this was a consignment deal

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and you have a lot to say
about the drop in the market.

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I mean, that makes sense.
It seems like many assets, uh...

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It was after COVID, the market went up.

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Michael Jordan rookie, graded 10,
everybody knows, sold for 400,000.

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A year later...

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Yeah, about 120,000.

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[Judge Acker] That's crazy.

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I think, that since what is such a big
part of your defense

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is how the market has declined,

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I'd like to learn a little more
about that.

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We very fortunately have an expert
who can speak to these issues.

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Cassandra, would you bring
in the expert, please?

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[announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice.

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How do you make money?

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How many cards do you flip in a year
and how much money do you make?

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Like what's your annual income?

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[dramatic musical sting]

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[theme music plays]

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[announcer] Jeffrey Taylor
is suing Brian McLain for $10,000.

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Jeffrey claims Brian defaulted
on payments owed on basketball cards

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worth over $20,000.

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Brian claims the card values plummeted

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and that Jeffrey never
had a payment deadline.

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Sir, could you please state your name
for the record?

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So my name is Mitchell Guttenberg.

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I own a store called
The Bullpen Sports Cards

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in Los Angeles and El Segundo.

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I've been doing this for almost 30 years.

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[Judge Acker] When you say,
"been doing this," what is this?

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Cards, buying, selling trading cards.

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[Judge Acker] How does one determine
that the Steph Curry card is worth $800?

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[Mitchell] Um, so cards are based
on basically the want.

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And rookie cards will be
the most valuable cards out of the group.

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It's usually on--based on rarity.

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[Judge Acker] Can you speak then
in the last two years

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between 2021 and right now

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in terms of the value
of these basketball cards?

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Most everything has gotten down a lot.

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Post-COVID, uh, it started
to become a very big--

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more and more people came in with money,
investment money, crypto money.

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Easiest way I can explain this,
and this is--

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it's one of the things I've always said.

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Um, after Thanksgiving dinner about 6:00

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and you can't move
because you've eaten so much food,

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and that's where the market was at
in '21 or '20.

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And then you kinda settle down,
and you sit down, and 8:00, 9:00,

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everything is digested.

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That's when the bubble started coming down

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because in '20 and '21,

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cards were 200%, 300%
higher than what they should be.

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[Judge Acker] People were sitting around
at home looking for things...

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- Uh-hmm.
- [Judge Acker] ... to do perhaps.

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- Correct.
- Thank you, sir. You can have a seat.

255
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So that's your position.

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The values have dropped

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- so precipitously...
- [Brian] Yeah.

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... that you just don't owe him the money.

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But I was still paying him.

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And if he would look at the cards

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that he said he gave me one by one
and evaluate them,

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you would see what I'm saying is,

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he said 11,000,
he would probably say 7,000.

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[Judge Acker] But sir,
what's also confusing--

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I'm being kind. I'm not confused at all.

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- [Brian] I know, um...
- It's concerning

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because the gravamen of this transaction

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was not as I see it
a consignment transaction

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because in your text messages to him,
you repeatedly say,

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"I'm gonna sell the Bitcoin.

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- I'm waiting for a wire."
- Right.

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[Judge Acker] "I'm waiting
on my tenants to pay me."

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Because I wanted to keep
our relationship going, yeah.

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"I'm waiting on my tenants to pay me."

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- Not "I don't owe you this..."
- [Brian] Right.

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... "because the card
didn't sell for this."

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- Right.
- [Judge Acker] What you say to him is,

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- "I will pay you when I get paid."
- Right.

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So all of that was very interesting
and educational for me.

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I wanted to make sure I understood
the parameters of your defense.

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- Uh-hmm.
- [Judge Acker] But I just don't buy it.

282
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Judge DiMango.

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So I just wanna let you know
that when I was a young girl,

284
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I did collect baseball cards.

285
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I used to flip them, I would trade them.

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- I knew who--I'm not even gonna tell you.
- Put them in your bike spokes?

287
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I'm not even gonna tell you
who the players were

288
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because then that would date me,
so I'm not gonna do that.

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- I'm used...
- Ty Cobb?

290
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[laughter]

291
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Ignore him.
So I used to put them in a breadbox.

292
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You know, years ago in the cabinets
they had that breadbox

293
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and I put 'em in there.

294
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And then when we moved,
my mother looked at all those cards...

295
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- [Jeffrey] Uh-hmm.
- ... that I had so wisely kept,

296
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uh, the Mantle cards, things like that,

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- and threw them out.
- Oh, God.

298
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So, I would not be up on this bench
had I had those

299
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- 'cause I'd be rich.
- Yeah, 10 million, right?

300
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- [Judge DiMango] Which I now am not.
- The Mantle '52...

301
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- Yeah. On the Mantle, yeah.
- ... sold for 10 million, so.

302
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- No, don't tell me these things.
- [laughter]

303
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Mantle, Maris, all of those cards.

304
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- [Brian] Willie Mays, yeah.
- Anyway, I can't.

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I can't--I can't even say it right.

306
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Every time my mother, I go,
"I can't believe I threw them out."

307
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How do you make money?
Or how many cards do you flip in a year?

308
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And how much money do you make?
Like what's your annual income?

309
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Um, probably around 10,000, 11,000.

310
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It's not what I do professionally.

311
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It's something I do as a side hustle,
and because I enjoy collecting some...

312
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You're hustling and only making 10,000.

313
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- That doesn't sound...
- Yeah, I mean, it's because I enjoy...

314
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- What's about you?
- ... I enjoy collecting.

315
00:13:15,867 --> 00:13:18,166
You know, you go to shows,
it's a very small community, tight-knit,

316
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you know people, which is nice, you know?

317
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It's very nice. And what about you,

318
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- how much do you make?
- Same thing. I like Kobe--

319
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15,000, 20,000, buyin' and sellin'.

320
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- [Judge DiMango] Okay.
- I mean, it's not a lot.

321
00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:31,033
[Judge DiMango] Now, I'm gonna tell you
what kind of confused me.

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You have a Curry card, $800.

323
00:13:34,266 --> 00:13:35,834
You give it to him,

324
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you're charging him at that moment
$800 for that card.

325
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You're gonna sell it
'cause you wanna make some money.

326
00:13:41,734 --> 00:13:44,100
- Right.
- [Judge DiMango] You read the market.

327
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The way people read the stock market,
you read the card market.

328
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Your view perhaps is,
in two weeks it'll go up.

329
00:13:50,266 --> 00:13:52,734
- You could be mistaken, it goes down.
- [Brian] Uh-hmm.

330
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But he still wants his $800.

331
00:13:55,066 --> 00:13:57,433
So he doesn't really care
that it goes down.

332
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- Would that be correct?
- Yeah. It's like buying a house in 2005

333
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and then when 2009,
it's not worth the same, saying,

334
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"Well, I'm only gonna pay you
what it's worth now."

335
00:14:04,133 --> 00:14:06,767
All the analogies.
And really what you're doing,

336
00:14:06,834 --> 00:14:09,166
in my view, Mr. McLain,

337
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is you are really trying
to sell those cards

338
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that you're buying from him.

339
00:14:13,066 --> 00:14:16,100
So in your own mind,
it's kinda like a consignment deal

340
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because you wanna pay him
with the money you get

341
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- from those cards.
- I was going...

342
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[Judge DiMango]
As opposed to what he wants,

343
00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,533
which is, "Here's the card, $800,
give me my $800."

344
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Which is why he's standing here today.

345
00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:29,300
- Would that be correct, sir?
- Correct.

346
00:14:29,367 --> 00:14:31,000
[Judge DiMango] He makes sense to me.

347
00:14:31,066 --> 00:14:34,400
There's a thing in the law
called detrimental reliance,

348
00:14:34,467 --> 00:14:37,600
and that means
that an individual gets involved

349
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in an agreement or a contract

350
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and he relies on the terms
of then conditions of that deal

351
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at some point to his detriment,

352
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which is what you've done here.

353
00:14:47,165 --> 00:14:51,533
He made a deal with you to sell you
X number of cards at X dollars.

354
00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,734
He might have been generous enough
to let you take some time to pay,

355
00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,233
but not some time
to pay at a changed value.

356
00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:03,934
Time to pay what he agreed
to sell you those cards at.

357
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,867
- I'm done.
- [Judge Levy] Yeah. Thank you.

358
00:15:05,934 --> 00:15:09,867
I wanna go back to where I left off
before I passed it over to Judge Acker

359
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'cause I wasn't clear.

360
00:15:11,433 --> 00:15:15,400
On July 12th is when you both agree
there was a new balance owed

361
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by you to him of 49,000.

362
00:15:18,233 --> 00:15:21,734
And then between July 19th and August 1st,

363
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multiple texts going back and forth,

364
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plaintiff to you, "Where's my money?"

365
00:15:25,934 --> 00:15:29,834
Your excuse is, "My broker says
my stock transaction didn't clear yet."

366
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Next day, "Where's my money?"

367
00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:32,800
Another excuse.

368
00:15:32,867 --> 00:15:34,567
And on August 2nd, there's a text,

369
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plaintiff demanding payment
or the cards back,

370
00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:40,165
and you just ghost him.

371
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You don't respond.

372
00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,400
And then he sees you selling the cards

373
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- on eBay, right?
- Correct.

374
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At the same time
he's receiving money from me.

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[Judge Levy] Hold on.
I don't care about that.

376
00:15:51,165 --> 00:15:52,533
And instead of giving him the cards back

377
00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,700
and you just saying, "Hey, listen,
market value went down, screw it.

378
00:15:55,767 --> 00:15:57,100
I'm gonna cut my losses.

379
00:15:57,165 --> 00:15:59,834
I paid you a bunch of money so far,
here's what you get."

380
00:15:59,900 --> 00:16:02,266
You didn't do that. You kept the cards.

381
00:16:02,333 --> 00:16:04,200
I kept two cards 'cause five were sold.

382
00:16:04,266 --> 00:16:05,467
He was given that money.

383
00:16:05,533 --> 00:16:06,800
- [Judge Levy] I--well...
- [Brian] I kept two.

384
00:16:06,867 --> 00:16:08,000
- [Judge Levy] Well, uh, hold on.
- [Brian] I then offered him...

385
00:16:08,066 --> 00:16:09,567
- Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
- ... I then offered him

386
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- an $8,000 collection...
- [Judge Levy] No, no, no.

387
00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:12,633
- ... which he refused.
- [Judge Levy] Hold...

388
00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:14,767
And then I offered him
a $20,000 collection.

389
00:16:14,834 --> 00:16:18,200
[Judge Levy] Hold on.
There came a time where you, Mr. McLain,

390
00:16:18,266 --> 00:16:22,300
offer him 1,800 substituted cards

391
00:16:22,367 --> 00:16:25,867
valued by you at $20,000

392
00:16:25,934 --> 00:16:30,567
to make good on a portion
of your $49,000 owed

393
00:16:30,633 --> 00:16:33,133
- that we had just agreed to, July 12th.
- We're trying to do the deal.

394
00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,467
So you're trying
to give him substituted cards.

395
00:16:36,533 --> 00:16:41,700
You took those cards
and you took them for value of $20,000

396
00:16:41,767 --> 00:16:44,300
because that's how we got
to an eventual number...

397
00:16:44,367 --> 00:16:46,000
- Number that was much lower.
- [Judge Levy] ... of what?

398
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Of $26,500.

399
00:16:48,734 --> 00:16:51,233
Even though you gave him major stars

400
00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:53,967
- and you pretty much got snicklefritz?
- A hundred percent, yes.

401
00:16:54,033 --> 00:16:55,633
[Judge Levy] So you know
it's gonna be a heck of a lot easier

402
00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:57,567
to sell the major stars, correct,

403
00:16:57,633 --> 00:17:00,433
than it is minor stars
or commons, right?

404
00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:01,600
Snicklefritz.

405
00:17:02,867 --> 00:17:05,200
[announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice.

406
00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:10,032
He's gettin' kinda nervous, Mr. McLain,
where he's never gonna get his money.

407
00:17:10,099 --> 00:17:12,233
And that's when you do what?

408
00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:13,266
[dramatic musical sting]

409
00:17:15,467 --> 00:17:17,300
[theme music plays]

410
00:17:17,367 --> 00:17:21,133
[announcer] Jeffrey Taylor
is suing Brian McLain for $10,000

411
00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,900
still owed on basketball trading cards.

412
00:17:23,967 --> 00:17:27,266
But Brian claims Jeffrey
wouldn't take the cards back

413
00:17:27,333 --> 00:17:29,767
and isn't giving him time to sell them.

414
00:17:29,834 --> 00:17:31,700
So, you're just trying
to get something from him

415
00:17:31,767 --> 00:17:33,834
'cause at this point,
you're like, "He's ghosting me.

416
00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:35,133
I don't think I'm gonna get
anything back."

417
00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,066
I'm trying to get cordial
because I don't wanna piss him off.

418
00:17:37,133 --> 00:17:38,166
I wanna make sure I get paid.

419
00:17:38,233 --> 00:17:41,033
And so he's getting kinda nervous,
Mr. McLain,

420
00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:44,066
and so there comes a time where he figures

421
00:17:44,133 --> 00:17:46,600
it's time to fish or cut bait

422
00:17:46,667 --> 00:17:49,133
and he's gotta get you
to commit to a certain number

423
00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,767
that you can't dance around
or he's never gonna get his money.

424
00:17:53,834 --> 00:17:55,600
And that's when you do what?

425
00:17:55,667 --> 00:17:57,233
I create a promissory note

426
00:17:57,300 --> 00:17:58,767
- with the name of the defendant.
- [Judge Levy] A promissory note.

427
00:17:58,834 --> 00:18:01,834
26,500, a 10% interest

428
00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:06,266
payable in seven monthly payments
of $4,417.

429
00:18:06,333 --> 00:18:09,667
The first payment due February of 2022,

430
00:18:09,734 --> 00:18:13,033
the last payment of August of 2022, right?

431
00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:14,266
- Correct.
- [Judge Levy] Perfect.

432
00:18:14,333 --> 00:18:16,533
So now, everything
that we've been going over,

433
00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,600
what the value is, what this is,
16 cards, 18 cards, seven cards,

434
00:18:20,667 --> 00:18:25,567
none of that means a hill of beans anymore
'cause now we have a promissory note,

435
00:18:25,633 --> 00:18:29,166
both of your signatures,
January 20th, 2022.

436
00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:31,633
Now, how much did he pay?

437
00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:35,734
He made one payment of $4,417
on the first month.

438
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,700
It was actually,
according to your complaint,

439
00:18:37,767 --> 00:18:40,066
it was April 1st and it was $5,000.

440
00:18:40,133 --> 00:18:41,667
And then you said after that payment,

441
00:18:41,734 --> 00:18:44,467
- he paid you a total of $6,800?
- Correct.

442
00:18:44,533 --> 00:18:46,734
- [Judge Levy] True or false?
- True.

443
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,500
So why don't you pay him the rest?

444
00:18:48,567 --> 00:18:49,934
And I still have two of the cards.

445
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,200
I don't care
whether you have two of the cards.

446
00:18:51,266 --> 00:18:53,300
He don't want the cards anymore.
He has a promissory note.

447
00:18:53,367 --> 00:18:55,266
He wants his money.
Why didn't you give it to him?

448
00:18:55,333 --> 00:18:58,400
Because I'm still sitting on the two cards
that are not sellable.

449
00:18:58,467 --> 00:18:59,433
[Judge Levy] I'm done.

450
00:18:59,500 --> 00:19:01,967
We are going to retire
to deliberate at this time.

451
00:19:02,033 --> 00:19:03,767
- Thank you, both.
- Court is now in recess.

452
00:19:03,834 --> 00:19:05,166
Parties may exit.

453
00:19:05,233 --> 00:19:07,633
[dramatic musical sting]

454
00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:12,100
Well, once again, we got to the truth.

455
00:19:12,166 --> 00:19:13,166
Took a little while.

456
00:19:13,233 --> 00:19:15,834
We did. You had Mr. Taylor so nervous.
[laughs]

457
00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:18,700
- Oh, I know and...
- Poor guy. I thought he was gonna cry.

458
00:19:18,767 --> 00:19:21,233
Well, in all--in all fairness,
you know, we got to the truth

459
00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:24,033
as far as what is
ultimately I believe owed.

460
00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:25,433
I think we'll have an agreement on it.

461
00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:27,767
But there was no check,
'cause that would've showed bad faith

462
00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:28,834
on the part of the defendant.

463
00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:31,300
He would've wanted us to believe
that there was bad faith

464
00:19:31,367 --> 00:19:32,367
and he had proof of that.

465
00:19:32,433 --> 00:19:36,000
So by him not producing it,
it's clear that it never existed.

466
00:19:36,066 --> 00:19:38,834
Putting all that aside,
that promissory note was genius.

467
00:19:38,900 --> 00:19:41,700
He knew he was getting jerked
around by the defendant.

468
00:19:41,767 --> 00:19:45,467
So he was smart enough
to lay out in January of 2022

469
00:19:45,533 --> 00:19:48,300
what the understanding was between the two
as to what was owed.

470
00:19:48,367 --> 00:19:51,900
So it was a $26,500 promissory note,

471
00:19:51,967 --> 00:19:53,767
$5,000 was paid...

472
00:19:53,834 --> 00:19:55,667
- Right.
- ... $6,800 was paid.

473
00:19:55,734 --> 00:19:58,633
- That leaves $14,700 that he's owed.
- Right.

474
00:19:58,700 --> 00:20:01,500
We're capped here jurisdictionally
at 10,000.

475
00:20:01,567 --> 00:20:04,066
And I believe that
that is what the plaintiff is entitled to

476
00:20:04,133 --> 00:20:05,700
- from the defendant.
- I do too.

477
00:20:05,767 --> 00:20:07,266
- Very easy for me.
- [Judge DiMango] Yeah.

478
00:20:07,333 --> 00:20:10,367
And what the defendant was doing
is kind of being a little sneaky

479
00:20:10,433 --> 00:20:11,767
- or a lot sneaky that...
- [Judge Levy] A lot sneaky.

480
00:20:11,834 --> 00:20:13,400
Trying to get his money from everywhere,

481
00:20:13,467 --> 00:20:18,333
including selling the cards first
before he was paying over.

482
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,000
So the bottom line is,

483
00:20:20,066 --> 00:20:22,600
he could sell him at 50 million
at this point.

484
00:20:22,667 --> 00:20:25,333
He's not gonna give that over
to the plaintiff if that changes.

485
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,600
- I didn't hear him say...
- Right. What a great point.

486
00:20:26,667 --> 00:20:28,166
- "When the market"...
- If the market rises...

487
00:20:28,233 --> 00:20:29,233
- Well, I meant to ask him that.
- That would've...

488
00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:30,633
- I was gonna say, "If the market...
- [Judge Acker] That's true.

489
00:20:30,700 --> 00:20:32,834
... goes up, were you gonna be
willing to give him more money

490
00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:34,200
than you both agreed to?"

491
00:20:34,266 --> 00:20:37,767
That's why it came out kinda simple
'cause I was confused as well at first.

492
00:20:37,834 --> 00:20:38,834
I didn't know what was going on.

493
00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:41,600
But then when I realized
that was the real issue,

494
00:20:41,667 --> 00:20:44,734
"I'm selling these to you for X,
you are gonna pay me X.

495
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,233
Whether you sell 'em for Y or Z,
I don't care.

496
00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:48,567
But you're gonna give me my money."

497
00:20:48,633 --> 00:20:50,567
And I think now
we're gonna give it to him.

498
00:20:50,633 --> 00:20:51,967
- Let's do it.
- That's it.

499
00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:53,300
- Done.
- Thank you.

500
00:20:53,367 --> 00:20:57,066
[dramatic musical sting]

501
00:20:57,133 --> 00:20:59,133
Parties are reminded
that court is back in session.

502
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,533
You're still under oath.

503
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,100
You know, Mr. McLain,
you say that this was a consignment deal.

504
00:21:04,166 --> 00:21:06,767
There was no evidence
it was a consignment deal at all.

505
00:21:06,834 --> 00:21:08,500
It was a done deal.

506
00:21:08,567 --> 00:21:13,700
The terms were clear,
first 56,000, then 51,500, then 49,000.

507
00:21:13,767 --> 00:21:16,133
It was clear. Nothing about consignment.

508
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,200
He wants to get something

509
00:21:17,266 --> 00:21:19,066
'cause he don't trust you
as far as he can throw you

510
00:21:19,367 --> 00:21:22,266
and he knows he's gotta get something
before you're in the wind.

511
00:21:22,333 --> 00:21:26,133
And what Judge DiMango said was,
"What if the prices actually went up?

512
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,300
That card that he said
was only worth $400.

513
00:21:28,367 --> 00:21:30,233
Now it's worth $4,000."

514
00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:31,834
You think he's giving you 2,000?

515
00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:34,100
- [chuckles]
- Hell no.

516
00:21:34,166 --> 00:21:35,934
And it's a shame 'cause he did you right.

517
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,200
Quite frankly,
I still don't understand about the check,

518
00:21:38,266 --> 00:21:39,400
but I don't care about that.

519
00:21:39,467 --> 00:21:41,200
You were smart
'cause you knew enough to know

520
00:21:41,266 --> 00:21:43,133
that he was never gonna be honest with you

521
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,767
and you had to commit him to a number.

522
00:21:45,834 --> 00:21:49,867
So, that promissory note was $26,500.

523
00:21:49,934 --> 00:21:54,333
We have evidence that he paid you back
5,000 and then $6,800.

524
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,233
So, $14,700, that's what he owes you.

525
00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:01,834
But the jurisdictional maximum
in this jurisdiction is 10,000.

526
00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:06,567
Unanimous decision of this court,
he owes you $10,000.

527
00:22:06,633 --> 00:22:08,133
- Be a better person.
- [gavel bangs]

528
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,367
- Thank you.
- [Cassandra] This case has concluded.

529
00:22:10,433 --> 00:22:12,166
Parties are excused.

530
00:22:12,233 --> 00:22:15,834
[theme music plays]

531
00:22:17,567 --> 00:22:20,233
We had done several deals,
you know, between the two of us.

532
00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:22,300
And, uh, the market value just killed me.

533
00:22:22,367 --> 00:22:23,834
I wasn't gonna get my money

534
00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:27,433
and that if I kept on this path,
um, I was just gonna stress myself out.

535
00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:29,800
I think we could put it behind us.
I mean, you know...

536
00:22:29,867 --> 00:22:31,400
Character is everything in this game.

537
00:22:31,467 --> 00:22:33,166
Whether we do more deals or not,
I don't know.

538
00:22:33,233 --> 00:22:34,800
I mean, I have cards, he has cards, so.

539
00:22:34,867 --> 00:22:36,100
Absolutely not.

540
00:22:36,166 --> 00:22:38,066
[announcer] Have you been scammed?

541
00:22:38,133 --> 00:22:42,400
Let the majority rule in your favor
on Tribunal Justice.

542
00:22:42,467 --> 00:22:44,633
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543
00:22:45,533 --> 00:22:48,667
["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]