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You did rent your horse barn to her,
is that correct?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Power has turned off again,
no notice. And the water's off.

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It's not just once
that the water goes off.

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How many times was it?

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It was five times.

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- What is that?
- One of the metal gates rusted and broke.

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This type of an injury to a service horse,

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and this is how a landlord treats a tenant

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who has treated her so well.

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[announcer] Now on Tribunal Justice.

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["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]

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[announcer] Today's case
was filed in Pasadena, California.

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[Byrd] Your Honor, this is case
number 2018 on the count

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in the matter of Curry versus Reynolds.

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- Thank you.
- Parties have been sworn in, Judge.

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You may be seated.

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- [Judge DiMango] Thanks, Byrd.
- [Byrd] Uh-hmm.

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[Judge DiMango] All right, Ms. Curry.

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You have a landlord-tenant relationship
with the defendant,

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but you're not really the tenant,
it's your two horses

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- that are the tenants there, correct?
- Yes, ma'am.

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And you did rent
your two-stall horse barn to her?

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- Yes.
- [Judge DiMango] Okay.

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You rent it for five years.

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You say that she didn't provide you
with those things that she promised.

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She actually unlawfully withheld
your security deposit,

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and you're here suing for bodily harm
and pain and suffering,

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your horses' pain and suffering,

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your horses' medicine, and that's $5,000.

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What you say is that she was the one

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that was taking exception
to the terms of the lease.

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And in fact, you've interposed
a counterclaim here for $2,700.

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- Your counterclaim...
- 2,701.

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- [Judge DiMango] Oh, let me...
- That one is important.

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- $2,701...
- [Carol] Yes, ma'am.

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... for her refusal to take out
all of the trash that she had left there

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and for other damages.

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All right. Ms. Curry, your two horses

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are Ruby and Flash, is that correct?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Let's see a picture of Ruby and Flash.

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- Ruby is the white horse with you...
- That is correct.

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- [Judge DiMango] Service horse.
- [Susan] She was my service horse.

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- She saved my life.
- [Judge DiMango] All right.

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And Flash is your husband's horse?

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[Susan] He's a buckskin, yes.

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Where are your horses now
since you did move out, correct?

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We moved back
to Albuquerque after 20 years.

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- And did you bring the horses with you?
- Yes, ma'am.

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[Judge DiMango]
But how did you find her location?

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Actually, um, we met
at a, uh, boarding stables in Glendale.

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[Judge DiMango] I think we have a video
of what it looked like before

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- when you first...
- That is correct. I did.

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[Judge DiMango] So let's see what you saw

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- when you decided to rent the property.
- [Susan] Okay.

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[Judge DiMango] Maybe you can tell us
what we see,

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'cause all I basically see is dirt.

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You know,
the allure there is missing for me.

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[Carol] Well, number one,
you know, this is a nice-looking barn.

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It's large. It has indoor stalls
and outdoor stalls,

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and the indoor stalls were very large.

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So you apparently have some
prime horse real estate there?

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[Carol] Yes, ma'am.

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[Judge DiMango]
And where do you keep your horses?

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At the--well, at the barn
that I met Susan at.

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[Judge DiMango] But you don't keep
your horses on your property.

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Because that house there,
that main house, is that your house?

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- Yes. It was a rental.
- Okay.

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- Okay.
- But I moved back in.

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[Judge DiMango] Okay.
So you're there, and now what?

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What happens?
Everything's going fine, right?

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[Susan] So my husband
is a well-seasoned carpenter

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who did a lot of the work

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and she did always ask, you know,
"Can your husband do this?

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Can your husband do that?"
And we did. And she...

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Well, you're there. You're staying there.

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You have your horse there.
So let's get to stuff, that other thing.

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That you're claiming Ruby was injured
by the broken gate?

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- [Susan] Yes.
- Correct?

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That happened,
um, I was actually out of town

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when that happened and the, um,
horse mucker who took care of them,

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she had, uh, one of the metal gates
rusted and broke.

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[Judge DiMango] You didn't see it,
so all you can tell us would be hearsay,

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but you did see that she had injuries
that she didn't have before you left.

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You're suing for those
as damages, correct?

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That's part of it, correct.

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And did you read your lease
in its entirety?

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Yes, ma'am.

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[Judge DiMango] And did you read the part
where you signed release of liability?

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Because, you know,
as much as you love Ruby, it's property.

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And any damage to property, you waived
your right to sue the defendant for.

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- Did you read that?
- Yes.

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[Judge DiMango] And you're also suing
for the horses' pain and suffering,

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and I don't wanna upset you
but it's longstanding legal authority

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that humans cannot sue
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on behalf of their animals,

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no matter how much they think
that they're family and they love them.

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It's a case you can't prove.

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But your pain and suffering,
you were injured, according to you,

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by an altercation with an employee
of the defendant, would that be correct?

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Yes, I was.

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[Judge DiMango]
Who was your employee, ma'am?

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My worker.

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[Judge DiMango]
And that worker, you claim,

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kinda knocked something out of your hand?

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He smacked the phone out of my hand.

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Now, the police, when they arrived,

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they interviewed an independent
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-Yes.
-And that person said two things.

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One, he was provoked and was in fear
of his own safety basically.

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that it was not for a half hour

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that you pointed out
what appeared to be a bruise on your hand.

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- We have a photo of that.
- Uh-hmm.

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But there's another photo
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because there's something over the top
of that that was not clear.

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There's another photo.

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'Cause that was very different than this.

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- [Susan] Yes. Can I state something?
- Sure.

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[Susan] So I suffer many health issues.

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- So I do bruise easily.
- [Judge DiMango] Yes.

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And the bruises can start coming

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and then over, uh, a day and two,
it can get worse and worse. Yes.

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And did that prevent you
from doing anything?

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[Susan]
It didn't prevent me from doing anything.

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I was also moving
as she's doing construction,

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I was preparing to move.

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And, um, she kept turning off my power

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and there are--there are all those
documents in here as well

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where I kept saying,
"You need to give me notice."

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Did you shut off the power?

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Um, the power was shut off
even though I had a notice,

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an agreement with the power company,
that when a tenant would move out

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that it would just come over in my name.

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So you think a major power company says,

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"Oh, my God.
Ms. Reynolds' tenant's leaving.

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I hope we can transfer the electricity."

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Well, it's the way it's been for 30 years.

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[Judge DiMango] I mean, you really don't
think they remember that, do you?

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It's been that way for 30 years.

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I mean, uh, I did have--I've had
many tenants move in and out.

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But maybe they didn't encounter this
because they were not people--

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other animals
living in the barn at the time,

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which was where she kept
the horses' medicines.

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- [Carol] Right. She was...
- In the tack room.

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Okay. Well, first of all, she wasn't
supposed to have a refrigerator there.

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I looked everywhere
to see where it said that.

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Where did it say
you cannot have a refrigerator?

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Well, I've been renting
that stable out for many, many years

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and no one has ever had
a refrigerator there.

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Tell me what is a tack room?

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A tack room is room where you keep
your saddles and your bridles...

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- [Judge DiMango] What else?
- ... your brushes.

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And it's just enough room
to pull your saddles in and out.

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[Judge DiMango] But what--but there was
room for a refrigerator in there.

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Well, apparently, she put one in.

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Yeah, she did have medicine
for the horses that did spoil, right?

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[Susan] Yes, ma'am.
And I have it all right here

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in every message between us

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in which she did
keep turning off the power

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and the water for 24 hours.

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My horse had no water and then I had...

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[Judge DiMango]
Did you turn the water off?

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[Carol]
Never. The longest that it was ever off...

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- I had a message...
- [Judge DiMango] Just a minute.

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The longest that it was ever off
was two hours.

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[Judge DiMango]
So you did--did you turn the water off?

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"No, the longest it was off."

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[Carol] No. You asked me
if the water was turned off for 24 hours.

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- I did--I said...
- Yeah, you just asked me...

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[Judge DiMango] No, no, I didn't.
I said, "Did you turn the water off?"

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And you went, "No."

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Judge Levy?

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So Ms. Reynolds,
I wanna get an idea as to how often

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did you go there and visit, if at all?

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Whenever I had tenants move in and out.

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Whenever there were things
that needed to be done.

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What year was it that you moved in?

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I believe it was 2018 or...

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- 2018, is that about right?
- It was--the lease was in 2019.

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[Judge Levy] So in 2019.

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When did you buy the fridge?

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As soon as I moved in,
I had a mini fridge.

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Right. And the first time
that you complain about it

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is when you get sued
and you file a counterclaim

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saying she's not supposed
to have a fridge.

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Explain to me how we're supposed
to take anything that you say,

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uh, at face value?

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Well, I'm not going in her tack room.

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There's no reason for me
to go in her tack room.

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There's no reason
for me to go into her barn

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unless there's a problem.

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[Judge Levy]
Listen, you file a counterclaim

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and you're claiming
that she's not supposed to have a fridge,

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that that's a violation of the lease.

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Number one,
it's not a violation of the lease.

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Read the lease.

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Can we put up the picture
of the plaintiff's alleged bruise?

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And I said "alleged" intentionally.

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[dramatic musical sting]

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[theme music plays]

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[announcer] Horse owner Susan Curry
is suing stable owner Carol Reynolds

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for pain and suffering
she and her horses endured

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from hazardous stable conditions.

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Carol is countersuing
for damages done to her barn

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by Susan and her animals.

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I'm referring you now to exhibit three.

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- This is your text, right?
- Yes.

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[Judge Levy] May 1st,

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"We've been good tenants
for almost five years.

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Let's just say it could be the end
of June or July.

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I will let you know as we know more.
Thank you."

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She was moving out and your response was,

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"Okay, not a problem either way."

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So, Ms. Reynolds,
it seemed like everything was good

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between the two of you, is that right?

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[Susan] Correct.

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[Judge Levy] So then we know
that something must have happened

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after May 1st.

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I wanna know what that was.

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I had to move back into the apartment.

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And so I started doing some remodeling
of the kitchen and the bathroom.

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[Judge Levy] And in doing that, she brings
in subcontractors and contractors,

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and what she never had the common courtesy
to do was to give you notice

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that there was gonna be shutoffs
of electricity and of water.

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That is correct.

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[Judge Levy] And so in your text messages,

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it's not just once
that the power goes off.

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It's not just once
that the water goes off.

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How many times was it?

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It was five times on the power

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and it was over 24 hours on the water.

234
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And I'm asking her,
"Please, can you just give me notice."

235
00:09:51,734 --> 00:09:54,100
You also told her that there was
medicine in the fridge,

236
00:09:54,165 --> 00:09:55,633
and that's when she says to you,

237
00:09:55,700 --> 00:09:57,066
"Well, you're not even supposed
to have a fridge."

238
00:09:57,133 --> 00:09:59,033
- Uh-hmm.
- You've been a tenant five years.

239
00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:00,767
- You pay your rent for those five years?
- [Susan] On time.

240
00:10:00,834 --> 00:10:02,567
Did she ever have to bring
an action against you...

241
00:10:02,633 --> 00:10:04,033
- Never.
- [Judge Levy] ... for nonpayment of rent?

242
00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:05,100
No.

243
00:10:05,166 --> 00:10:07,400
And this is how a landlord treats a tenant

244
00:10:07,467 --> 00:10:08,800
who has treated her so well?

245
00:10:08,867 --> 00:10:11,133
I got it. Judge Acker.

246
00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,934
[Judge Acker] Can we put up the picture
of the plaintiff's alleged bruise?

247
00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,533
And I said "alleged" intentionally...

248
00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:18,834
[Susan] Okay.

249
00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:21,967
... because on my iPad
where I can enlarge the image,

250
00:10:22,033 --> 00:10:25,500
I see what looks like a lavender

251
00:10:25,567 --> 00:10:27,834
translucent piece of tape.

252
00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:31,834
And then there seem
to be some kind of brownish circles,

253
00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:34,734
like something
that was sort of stuck on your arm.

254
00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,667
So you're telling me that this
is a bruise or is this a picture...

255
00:10:38,734 --> 00:10:41,000
- [Susan] No, it...
- ... of your arm with something on it

256
00:10:41,066 --> 00:10:43,033
that you dressed up to look like a bruise?

257
00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:46,000
No, it--I mean, I wish I could bring you
my hospital documents

258
00:10:46,066 --> 00:10:47,533
- that show all the bruising, but...
- [Judge Acker] I wish you had.

259
00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,200
That's very interesting.

260
00:10:49,266 --> 00:10:52,333
So you called code enforcement
on the defendant?

261
00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,700
- [Susan] Yes, ma'am.
- And for what reason was that?

262
00:10:54,767 --> 00:10:57,467
So the reason I called code
enforcement was I called

263
00:10:57,533 --> 00:10:58,734
when the water was shut off

264
00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,333
and I was so upset it had been off
for 24 hours,

265
00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,934
and it actually
was a very hot day that day.

266
00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,800
They're the ones
who advised me and told me,

267
00:11:06,867 --> 00:11:09,300
"Well, she doesn't have a permit
for this or that.

268
00:11:09,367 --> 00:11:11,133
You need to call code enforcement."

269
00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,500
[Judge Acker]
Do you have a permit for the work?

270
00:11:12,567 --> 00:11:14,200
- Yes, ma'am.
- Did you submit that permit?

271
00:11:14,266 --> 00:11:15,266
[Carol] No.

272
00:11:15,333 --> 00:11:16,734
Well, you knew you were being sued.

273
00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,800
Let's talk about your counterclaim.

274
00:11:18,867 --> 00:11:22,033
Now you're suing her for $2,701.

275
00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:27,233
Can we put up on the monitor
the photograph of the graffiti?

276
00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:30,533
Ms. Reynolds, tell me what we're seeing.

277
00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,900
Well, the bottom left is where the horse
kicked through the stall,

278
00:11:34,967 --> 00:11:37,800
uh, the top pictures are graffiti.

279
00:11:37,867 --> 00:11:40,066
And then this is all the junk
that she left.

280
00:11:40,133 --> 00:11:41,834
[Judge Acker]
And it's your testimony, Ms. Curry,

281
00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:44,700
that you didn't do that spray painting.

282
00:11:44,767 --> 00:11:46,100
- [Susan] No, ma'am.
- [Judge Acker] But why?

283
00:11:46,165 --> 00:11:49,033
What I had stated is the mucker
had marked a few things

284
00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:53,165
to keep things organized
that she--and the mucker I got from her.

285
00:11:53,233 --> 00:11:55,500
You know, I never even really noticed
or thought anything about it

286
00:11:55,567 --> 00:11:57,867
because the whole barn
was always kept immaculate.

287
00:11:57,934 --> 00:12:00,967
I don't know that hole
and that is not part of the barn.

288
00:12:01,033 --> 00:12:02,734
[Judge Acker]
I understand we have a couple of videos.

289
00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,467
Let's see the move-out video.

290
00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,633
[Susan] This is the horses.

291
00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:07,934
I'm gonna hose them down.

292
00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:11,233
He's taken all the shavings, the hay.

293
00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:14,000
I'm humping the horse feeders
and this wheelbarrow.

294
00:12:15,033 --> 00:12:17,900
And then, I don't know,
I guess [bleep] everything I can't fit.

295
00:12:17,967 --> 00:12:21,567
[Judge Acker] That cement wall in the
back, isn't that where the graffiti was?

296
00:12:21,633 --> 00:12:23,266
[Carol] Yes, ma'am.
Well, you'd have to go back.

297
00:12:23,333 --> 00:12:24,867
[Judge Acker]
Yeah, let's--can we rewind again?

298
00:12:26,367 --> 00:12:27,300
[Susan] I guess [bleep] every...

299
00:12:27,367 --> 00:12:28,467
[Judge Acker]
Uh, did--had you seen that before?

300
00:12:28,533 --> 00:12:31,834
[Susan] I probably didn't ever--it just--
you know, I'm so busy, I didn't...

301
00:12:31,900 --> 00:12:33,734
You probably saw it but you're not sure.

302
00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,433
[Susan] Honestly, I can't remember.

303
00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:36,867
[Judge Acker]
I don't have anything further.

304
00:12:36,934 --> 00:12:39,400
I have a real big question
and then I'm gonna end it.

305
00:12:39,467 --> 00:12:41,567
If a horse kicks a hole in the wall,

306
00:12:41,633 --> 00:12:43,500
is that normal wear and tear?

307
00:12:43,567 --> 00:12:44,800
I think it might be.

308
00:12:44,867 --> 00:12:47,667
So every tenant that I've ever had,

309
00:12:47,734 --> 00:12:49,834
if they do something like that, they...

310
00:12:49,900 --> 00:12:51,165
[Judge DiMango]
But they didn't do it, it's...

311
00:12:51,233 --> 00:12:55,100
Yeah, I mean, my last tenant
had all the dirt refilled,

312
00:12:55,165 --> 00:12:56,165
you know, I mean, it's...

313
00:12:56,233 --> 00:12:57,233
[Judge DiMango]
But everybody does something different.

314
00:12:57,300 --> 00:12:59,467
What we're looking at
is this specific set of facts here.

315
00:12:59,533 --> 00:13:02,133
But based on that, I don't know
if anybody has anything else to ask.

316
00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,200
Just a couple.

317
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,033
There were three other videos
that I think would be useful to see.

318
00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:09,200
So let's take a look at P2, please.

319
00:13:09,834 --> 00:13:12,500
All right. So give me a timeframe,
please, Ms. Curry.

320
00:13:12,567 --> 00:13:14,800
When is it now that the video was taken?

321
00:13:14,867 --> 00:13:16,600
- 'Cause you took that video, right?
- Yes, sir.

322
00:13:16,667 --> 00:13:19,233
Um, I believe it was the week
before June 29th

323
00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:21,066
that I was actually gonna be leaving.

324
00:13:21,133 --> 00:13:24,467
And the water was off
and it was really hot that day.

325
00:13:24,533 --> 00:13:26,300
[Judge Levy]
Okay. And your horses were there

326
00:13:26,367 --> 00:13:28,667
- without having any water then...
- Correct. And I videoed all of it.

327
00:13:28,734 --> 00:13:31,033
[Judge Levy] ... for 24 hours
and the automatic system was...

328
00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:32,600
- [Susan] Correct.
- [Judge Levy] ... not operational?

329
00:13:32,667 --> 00:13:34,567
- That's right. Yes, sir. Yes.
- Let's take a look at the video.

330
00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,533
I'm documenting that the power's
been turned off again, no notice.

331
00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,133
And the water's off.

332
00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,367
Sorry for my language.

333
00:13:41,433 --> 00:13:44,200
So they have no [bleep] water,

334
00:13:44,266 --> 00:13:46,467
including the automatic waters.

335
00:13:46,533 --> 00:13:48,967
So I'm sitting in the dark.

336
00:13:49,033 --> 00:13:52,333
I have no electricity and it hasn't been
on for the past couple days,

337
00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,066
so you can see the fridges and freezers,

338
00:13:55,133 --> 00:13:56,700
everything's thawed out.

339
00:13:56,767 --> 00:14:00,333
Everything in my fridge is ruined.
I had Banamine in here.

340
00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,967
I know it was off Saturday
'cause I made a comment Saturday.

341
00:14:04,033 --> 00:14:06,734
So my worker was working

342
00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,734
and it was never off for 24 hours

343
00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,900
because I--when she told me
that the water was off,

344
00:14:10,967 --> 00:14:15,600
I texted my worker and he told me
how long it's been--it had been off.

345
00:14:15,667 --> 00:14:19,266
Did you make any effort to communicate
with the person who you knew

346
00:14:19,333 --> 00:14:23,600
was controlling the health, safety,
and well-being of her animals

347
00:14:23,667 --> 00:14:26,333
to just give her notice
since you weren't there?

348
00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,400
Did you do that?

349
00:14:27,467 --> 00:14:28,834
- No.
- [Judge Levy] All right.

350
00:14:28,900 --> 00:14:30,066
I have nothing further.

351
00:14:30,133 --> 00:14:32,533
Uh, briefly, do you have horses?

352
00:14:33,767 --> 00:14:36,000
[announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice.

353
00:14:36,066 --> 00:14:38,633
Horses kick pipes, they break,

354
00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:40,734
and the barn would shut the water off.
Yes, they do.

355
00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,834
Ah, so maybe that answers
Judge DiMango's question

356
00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:45,133
and about normal wear and tear
for a horse.

357
00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,967
[dramatic musical sting]

358
00:14:48,734 --> 00:14:50,467
[theme music plays]

359
00:14:50,533 --> 00:14:52,900
[announcer]
Susan Curry is suing stable owner

360
00:14:52,967 --> 00:14:54,934
Carol Reynolds for $5,000

361
00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,600
claiming hazardous stable conditions
her horses were subjected to.

362
00:14:59,667 --> 00:15:02,467
But Carol says Susan is making a mountain

363
00:15:02,533 --> 00:15:04,667
out of a molehill.

364
00:15:04,734 --> 00:15:06,367
Do you have horses?

365
00:15:06,433 --> 00:15:08,066
I've had hundreds of horses, yes.

366
00:15:08,133 --> 00:15:09,734
- Do your horses have water every day?
- [Carol] They do.

367
00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,567
And they have buckets of water
in their stalls

368
00:15:11,633 --> 00:15:15,934
even though they have automatic waters
because horses kick pipes,

369
00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,567
they break, and the barn
would shut the water off.

370
00:15:18,633 --> 00:15:20,000
- [Judge Acker] Ah, horses kick things.
- Yes, they do.

371
00:15:20,066 --> 00:15:22,200
So maybe that answers
Judge DiMango's question

372
00:15:22,266 --> 00:15:24,400
about normal wear and tear for a horse.

373
00:15:24,967 --> 00:15:27,066
- I don't have anything further.
- [Judge DiMango] Thank you very much.

374
00:15:27,133 --> 00:15:28,934
We're gonna retire to deliberate.
Thank you.

375
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,567
Court now stands in recess.

376
00:15:30,633 --> 00:15:33,200
This case will be recalled.
Parties are excused.

377
00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:36,033
[dramatic musical sting]

378
00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:39,200
I wanna go through some
of what the plaintiff is asking for

379
00:15:39,266 --> 00:15:41,300
and you picked it up as I did
when I first said it.

380
00:15:41,367 --> 00:15:43,100
Those bruises were just weird.

381
00:15:43,165 --> 00:15:46,633
There was a little bit of a minor bruise
and then all of a sudden...

382
00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:48,533
You can really see it
on the--there's that.

383
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,000
Look, this is the clear--
this is the clear one.

384
00:15:50,066 --> 00:15:52,133
You know what I thought
she might have done on this?

385
00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,467
You know how sometimes they have
that healing stuff that you paint on.

386
00:15:56,533 --> 00:15:58,934
- That's...
- That's what it kinda looks like she did.

387
00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,166
- She painted that...
- Right. Yeah, like one of those strips,

388
00:16:01,233 --> 00:16:02,700
- like, that has silicone ...
- Yes, exactly.

389
00:16:02,767 --> 00:16:03,934
... that can heal scars and the like.

390
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,066
And it kind of enhanced
the coloring and all of that,

391
00:16:06,133 --> 00:16:07,600
but there was no real pain and suffering.

392
00:16:07,667 --> 00:16:09,500
She couldn't really attest to that.

393
00:16:09,567 --> 00:16:13,033
So with regard to her bodily harm,
the horses' pain and suffering,

394
00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:15,700
I'm not willing to give her
any pain and suffering.

395
00:16:15,767 --> 00:16:19,400
I'm not saying that I'm in support
of giving her any recovery.

396
00:16:19,467 --> 00:16:22,767
What I'm saying, having had two dogs
who I love very much

397
00:16:22,834 --> 00:16:25,433
just as much as she loved her horses,

398
00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:28,700
that if they were
for a period of time in distress

399
00:16:28,767 --> 00:16:31,934
because they did not have access
to either food or water,

400
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,567
that would bother me,
and I don't have those same

401
00:16:34,633 --> 00:16:36,800
- eggshell plaintiff type issues...
- Body issues.

402
00:16:36,867 --> 00:16:38,000
[Judge Levy] ... that she has.

403
00:16:38,066 --> 00:16:39,133
Well, I'm gonna just tell you.

404
00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,000
It says here, "For bodily harm
and my horses' pain and suffering,"

405
00:16:42,066 --> 00:16:44,600
she wants $1,540.

406
00:16:44,667 --> 00:16:46,934
Even if I wanna take it
via your interpretation,

407
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,100
we can't quantify pain and suffering,

408
00:16:49,165 --> 00:16:50,734
and I don't have any reason to believe

409
00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,100
that this has anything to do
with them not having water.

410
00:16:53,165 --> 00:16:55,667
[Judge Acker] So I have to say, guys,

411
00:16:55,734 --> 00:16:59,133
I am really, really, really troubled
by the fake bruise.

412
00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,233
-By the bruise.
-[Judge Acker] That sort of speaks volumes

413
00:17:01,300 --> 00:17:05,165
about how little I can put any faith
in what anybody up there said.

414
00:17:05,233 --> 00:17:07,967
So maybe I could find my way

415
00:17:08,032 --> 00:17:09,633
towards some recovery

416
00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:12,767
just because I think it was wrong
for the plaintiff

417
00:17:12,834 --> 00:17:16,433
and her animals
to be deprived water without notice.

418
00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:18,032
And I don't think that it was intentional,

419
00:17:18,099 --> 00:17:20,834
but I think that the defendant
could've given her a heads-up.

420
00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:22,300
She was completely indifferent to it.

421
00:17:22,367 --> 00:17:24,200
- That's it. She...
- And it was over--and it was five...

422
00:17:24,266 --> 00:17:25,800
- Her indifference bothers me.
- And it was five times.

423
00:17:25,867 --> 00:17:29,166
My inclination, if I was gonna give
anything for any reason,

424
00:17:29,233 --> 00:17:32,934
it would be the $221 for the medicine
in the refrigerator,

425
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,367
if that was required within a certain,
like, temperature time.

426
00:17:36,433 --> 00:17:39,166
And while we didn't--and while we didn't
get into it, the plaintiff did provide us

427
00:17:39,233 --> 00:17:42,633
with a detailed list of the medication
and how much it did cost her.

428
00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:43,867
- Yes, she did.
- She did do that.

429
00:17:43,934 --> 00:17:45,066
So there is--so there is evidence to that.

430
00:17:45,133 --> 00:17:46,333
That's why, so I'm willing to give that.

431
00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,033
And as to the defendant,
my feeling would be her $700

432
00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:52,333
security deposit covered the damages.

433
00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,867
So I think it's an outright dismissal
for the defendant.

434
00:17:54,934 --> 00:17:58,233
I think that they are both
a little sensitive in their own way,

435
00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:02,633
and I kinda think that they escalated it
immediately on themselves.

436
00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:04,834
- I'd give her the money for the medicine.
- 221 for the medicine.

437
00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:05,967
- 221.
- [Judge Levy] Great.

438
00:18:06,033 --> 00:18:08,834
That's for the horses' sake,
not for anybody else here.

439
00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:12,333
[dramatic musical sting]

440
00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,533
[Byrd] Court is back in session.

441
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,200
Parties are reminded
you're still under oath.

442
00:18:15,266 --> 00:18:16,700
- Thank you, Byrd.
- Uh-hmm.

443
00:18:16,767 --> 00:18:18,233
We'll begin with the countersuit.

444
00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:20,967
You did convince us
that you had some damages

445
00:18:21,033 --> 00:18:24,266
that you needed to cover
including the trash removal,

446
00:18:24,333 --> 00:18:26,567
which by your own statement in your video,

447
00:18:26,633 --> 00:18:28,433
you said you didn't give a...
[imitates popping sound]

448
00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:30,367
... about cleaning up.

449
00:18:30,433 --> 00:18:33,734
However, you did have her $700
security deposit

450
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,834
and so we are going to find
that the $700 covered the damages

451
00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:40,767
upon she and her horses
leaving the property.

452
00:18:40,834 --> 00:18:45,100
So with regard to your counterclaim,
it is therefore dismissed in its entirety.

453
00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:47,166
And then we reviewed the claims you made

454
00:18:47,233 --> 00:18:49,233
with regard to both your pain
and suffering,

455
00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:50,934
the horses' pain and suffering.

456
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,600
And the bottom line is,

457
00:18:52,667 --> 00:18:56,433
the $221 for the medication
that was spoiled

458
00:18:56,500 --> 00:18:58,533
was the only claim
that we felt that you had

459
00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,266
that warranted any merit and credibility.

460
00:19:01,333 --> 00:19:04,467
And any other claim that you've made,
we find that you did not meet your burden

461
00:19:04,533 --> 00:19:06,200
by a preponderance of the evidence.

462
00:19:06,266 --> 00:19:10,834
And so therefore,
the verdict is in your favor for $221.

463
00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:12,834
Your case is unanimously dismissed.

464
00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:14,333
- Thank you.
- [gavel bangs]

465
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:15,734
[Byrd] This case has now concluded.

466
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,367
Parties are excused. You may step out.

467
00:19:18,433 --> 00:19:21,033
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468
00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:22,967
I think that she has anger issues.

469
00:19:23,033 --> 00:19:26,100
I did at the very end get angry

470
00:19:26,166 --> 00:19:29,333
because she turned off the water
and power over five times.

471
00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,000
You know, she was claiming
that the water was off for 24 hours

472
00:19:33,066 --> 00:19:34,200
and she wasn't there.

473
00:19:34,266 --> 00:19:35,734
I'm glad I'm not there renting from her

474
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,633
'cause I wouldn't be able to stay there
if she was there.

475
00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:39,734
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476
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,834
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477
00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:46,967
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478
00:19:47,033 --> 00:19:50,200
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