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He was interested in the vehicle.

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He just wasn't
interested in paying for it.

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[announcer] Now, on Tribunal Justice.

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You just kept the car, right?

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Yes, if you say, yes.

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What the hell are you saying?

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So I have it under good authority
that I never signed anything.

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You have an attitude like that
with somebody else

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who's not family,
someone's gonna hurt you.

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You can take that on good authority.

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["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]

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[announcer] Today's case was filed
in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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[Cassandra] Your Honor,
this is case number 2036

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in a matter of Hollen versus Broadbent.

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Thank you.

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All parties have been sworn in.
You may be seated.

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All right. Ms. Hollen,
you sold the defendant

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your 2002 Nissan

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and agreed to an installment payment
contract.

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He failed to make even one payment
and you took the car back.

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I did and on top of that,
there's a lot of damages

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to the vehicle when I picked it up.

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[Judge Levy]
That's what I read in your complaint.

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So you're suing him

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- for the cost of the repairs, $636.
- [Emma] Yes.

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And the three and a half months
that he had the car,

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at a hundred dollars a month
that he had agreed to pay,

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that was $350.

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So the total amount
of your suit here is $986.

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Yes, that is correct.

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[Judge Levy] Okay. Mr. Broadbent,
according to your answer,

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you don't owe anything
because you borrowed, not bought the car.

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And as for damages,
you said it was sort of a piece of junk

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when you took it and it was a piece
of junk when she took it back.

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That is correct. Um, in my defense,

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I'd like to say that the car
when I received it

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was not only filthy,

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there were several things,
uh, damaged and wrong with it.

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Uh, not limited to,
there was dents on the car

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that, uh, she had arrived at the house

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and blamed me for that I know for a fact
was not me,

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because I had taken pictures beforehand,

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uh, when receiving the vehicle at first
on my dad's recommendation

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to know what damage was already on it.

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So I have it under good authority
that I did not cause any of those damages.

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[Judge Levy] Well, that's all well
and good.

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We're in a court of law.
What we like to see is evidence.

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So Ms. Hollen here
presented evidence to us,

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although you did not, ma'am, present us

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with the way the car looked like
before you sold it.

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- That is correct.
- [Judge Levy] Only after.

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Yes. However, on page 28,

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I did send him a text with a list
of all the cons of the vehicle

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and none of which listed anything
that I am suing for in damage.

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[Judge Levy] Uh, I get that.
The best evidence of

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that would've been
the way the car looked...

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- [Emma] Yes.
- ... but that's okay.

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Because Mr. Broadbent here,
he has those photographs.

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I'll take them now.

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I did not bring them with me,
but I would also like to just...

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So hold on. Did you not bring them
with you today on good authority?

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No. I didn't bring them
because they were earlier in the year

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and I felt that that wouldn't,
uh, that wouldn't be good

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for clause of the fact the damages
that did happen to the vehicle

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that were not my fault
occurred during the winter.

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And I felt that if I showed a picture
from the spring,

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it wouldn't be sustainable,

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because it doesn't really show the damage

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- that would've occurred on that season.
- Okay. You know what,

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I'm gonna get back to you, Mr. Broadbent,

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- because we're gonna unpack all of that.
- It's a lot of words.

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[Judge Levy] You can take that
on good authority.

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So, Ms. Hollen,
how do you know the defendant?

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He's my cousin.

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Um, I used to babysit him
when he was a little kid

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and then as we became adults,

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we really didn't spend
a whole to of time together.

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- But I still...
- [Judge Levy] So what's the relationship?

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It's your father and his father?

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- Yes, they're brothers.
- [Judge Levy] Okay.

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Tell us when it was that you decided
to sell your car and why?

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So it was in September of 2022.

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I had two older vehicles

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and I decided to sell them both

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and just buy myself
something a little nicer

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and I had gone to pick up my new car

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and I left the Nissan at my father's house

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until my husband could come
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and that's when Griffin had texted me

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- and asked if he could buy...
- Griffin being the defendant.

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- Yes.
- [Judge Levy] Okay.

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So Griffin was living at the house?

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Yes, and he saw the car out there

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and that's when he asked
if he could possibly purchase it from me.

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I never borrowed it to him,

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we talked about payments as you can see
from all my texts quite a bit

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with a lot of excuses.

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[Judge Levy] Okay. So we know
that you agreed to sell it to him

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- for how much?
- For 2,000.

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[Judge Levy] And what
were the monthly payments?

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- $100.
- [Judge Levy] The agreement that you had,

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was that ever memorialized
in writing in like a bill of sale?

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No, it was not and that was my mistake.
I definitely learned from that.

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Uh-hmm. Yeah.

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What was the condition of the car?
Describe it.

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It had some dents,
it had been in a fender bender

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which I had gotten fixed
for the most part.

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Um, it is an older vehicle,
I had about 180,000 miles on it.

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Let's take a look at the way
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when it was returned to you.

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That was not the way
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- in September '22?
- [Emma] No.

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No. The spare was underneath the car
where it was stored when I left the car.

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[Judge Levy] And other than that,
does that look like the condition

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- that you gave it to him?
- Yes.

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[Judge Levy] Do we have
another photograph?

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So we have on the right, we have some type
of moulding, is that correct?

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- That's popping off?
- [Emma] Yeah.

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That's the handle, the driver side handle.

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It was totally fine when I was driving it.

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[Judge Levy] Okay.
And the vehicle, did it have a radio

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- when you gave it to him in September?
- [Emma] Yes, and it works just fine.

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[Judge Levy] What about you,
Mr. Broadbent?

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Uh, when you got the car,
did it have a radio?

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The radio was, uh, broken,

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so I left it in the trunk
upon her request,

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- so that it could be replaced properly.
- [Judge Levy] I got it.

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So you heard according to your cousin,

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the agreement was for $2,000
for a hundred dollars a month.

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Do you agree or disagree
with those claims?

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I disagree, it's not in a contract.
I never signed anything.

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[Judge Levy] Okay.
So, just so we're clear,

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contracts don't have to be written.

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as long as there was an understanding,
a meeting of the minds.

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And so there are text messages
that I know that you guys exchanged.

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Yes. We had made plans,

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but I never agreed on a solidified deal

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due to me getting registered
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which rendered me unable to work.

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And I had explained
that to her in those texts,

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and she responded saying
that I could make payments

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as soon I was allowed to get back to work.

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[Judge Levy] Do you remember that?

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I do and he had let me know
when he started going back to work.

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- And did you go back to work?
- I had not, no.

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And I looked through our texts
merely an hour ago

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and I know that that is not in there.

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what were you doing in September of 2022?

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I had a double brain abscess
and I was registered to medical,

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uh, bed rest, I was not allowed
to leave the house.

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Okay. So for how long?

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Uh, three and a half months...

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- [Judge Levy] From when...
- ... which would've been,

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uh, October 2nd was the day

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that she tried to ask
for the first payment,

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and I wasn't allowed to leave the house
until, uh, January 13th.

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- Is that correct?
- I did know that he had surgery

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and there was actually one text in there
where he said

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his head is totally healed
and he was ready to start working...

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- [Judge Levy] Right. So...
- ... so I just don't know

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- what he was doing during the whole...
- [Judge Levy] Uh, I get that

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because now we're at September,
so October you want a first payment,

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he's not feeling well,
he has this medical condition.

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You say that lasted about three months.
We'll give you four months.

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So, it's October, November,
December, January.

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Did you start working in January?

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I started working February 3rd...

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- [Judge Levy] Okay.
- ... again at the state liquor store.

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- [Judge Levy] At the state liquor store.
- Yes.

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That was my previous job
before my surgery.

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All right. And did you start
making payments then?

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Uh, no, I had not because at that point,
we had made it personal

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and it felt that it was about,
uh, showing her--

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showing me from her side

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that, uh, she was in the position of power
and that I needed to be dealing with it,

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uh, like an adult, uh,
as she said in her text.

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[announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice.

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The $1,200 in my mind would
always stand as what I thought...

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How much of your mind was removed
during the surgery?

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- Do you wanna know the real answer?
- Because I think you're only functioning

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[announcer] Emma Hollen is suing
her cousin Griffin Broadbent

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for failing to make payments

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then damaging the car she sold him.

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Griffin claims brain surgery kept him

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from working so he could pay her.

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Plus, the car was in bad shape
to begin with.

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[Judge Levy] Let me ask you a question.
When we started out,

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I said to you that your case
is pretty much as follows

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that I don't owe her anything

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because I just simply borrowed the car
and I didn't buy it.

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So, the problem with that though
is that in your answer,

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you say that we agreed
on a price of $1,200.

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That would have been a theoretical price
that I discussed with her father,

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not with her face to face.

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[Judge Levy] Were you taking advantage
of your cousin?

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I don't believe so.

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[Judge Levy] Yeah. Thank you. Judge Acker.

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Thank you, Judge.
When did you have your surgery?

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[Griffin] Uh, September 9th was the day
that I was admitted to the ER

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and I didn't have surgery
until about a week later

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after my diagnosis was properly covered.

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I had to visit the ER about four times.

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What is a little bit confusing to me
is that given the fact

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that if you were on bed rest,
you didn't even need the car.

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So, I would be expecting to see
some message from you

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to your cousin advising her

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that you weren't gonna be able
to make any payments

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because you couldn't work

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and you couldn't drive, come get the car.
Where's that text?

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Um, I didn't send it because, uh,
due to the brain surgery,

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I couldn't be exposed to light,

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so I couldn't use my phone,
I couldn't use my computer,

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I couldn't sit in an open room.
I had to stay in my bathroom

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for almost three weeks straight,

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which there is a, uh, text
that I could show you about...

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[Judge Acker] No, I am not here
to adjudicate your medical condition.

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Hope that it's resolved
and that you're healthy.

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- Fully recovered.
- [Judge Acker] So, let's talk about

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what happened before September 9th,

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when all of this happened to you.

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Because I know that you said to Judge Levy

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that it was a theoretical price,

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and I would like to direct your attention

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to exhibit four
of the plaintiff's evidence.

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It's an exchange of text messages.

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August 28th, several days
before you became bedridden.

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Your question to your cousin was,

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"What's your bank account number

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and routing number for the bank you use?"

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Now, was that a theoretical question
about a theoretical bank account

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for a theoretical payment
that you maybe theoretically owe her?

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No, it wasn't. Her father asked me to go

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to my bank of choice to make sure
that we had all the right numbers,

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so that if we agreed upon a payment,
I could get her paid right away,

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because he was trying to kind of

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be the mediator and make sure
that things kept...

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[Judge Acker]
So, this was just because you wanted

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to get her financial information

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so that when you finally made a deal,

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you would be able to wire her the money?

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- It'd be handled properly. Yes.
- [Judge Acker] That's interesting

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because then just a couple of hours later
you say to her,

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"The bank accountant says it will take

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one to three work days to get the money

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through Zelle system into your account."

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And this is you saying to her.

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"Feel free to let me know
if you don't see it

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by tomorrow morning.
I'll get on their ass about it."

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Theoretical?

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That would've been the payment
that I talked to her father about.

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[Judge Acker]
And the payment that you didn't make.

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- I did not, no. No payments were made.
- [Judge Acker] Because you continue,

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instead of reiterating to her the things

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that you said to Judge Levy

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when she asks you for updates,

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I know what you do not say is,

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"Hey, I'm still trying to work out
this theoretical deal

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and if we work out this deal
then maybe I'll give you some money."

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You don't say that.

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Do you recall what you said
when she asked you for updates?

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- No, I do not.
- [Judge Acker] I'm gonna remind you.

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"Waiting for my boss to let me know
that my check has arrived.

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As soon as it does, I'll let you know.
Should be very soon."

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Doesn't seem very theoretical to me.

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In fact, a lot of your defense

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seems like word salad, you know,

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when people are just throwing stuff
at the wall.

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I know. I found it funny too,
but I bet it's not funny to your cousin.

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So, have you already had the car repaired?

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Yes. And I got it sold.

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- Um, however, I never...
- How much did you make on the car?

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I made $1,500 because
the stereo never worked.

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So, I just sold it as is with the stereo

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that I bought and told them
that they could try to fix it.

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[Judge Acker]
Tell me about the conversation

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where you agreed on that price of $2,000,

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because I'll hear your testimony on it.

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Um, so before--so in exhibit eight,

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it shows all of our original
text messages together

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where I had also mentioned $2,000

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and we had a conversation
about it in person.

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And I just told him that $2,000
with payments would work for me.

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And then he said that that worked for him.
And so I just trusted his word.

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Do you feel like
you were taken advantage of?

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Absolutely.
I feel completely disrespected.

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- Judge DiMango.
- I absolutely think you were.

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I mean, I'm reading your text messages

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and you are one big joker here.

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Let me tell you, really.

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First of all, why did you put
in your answer that you agreed with her

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to pay her $1,200 when there isn't
anything in these papers

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that confirms what she did agree to,

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but for your own statement?

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You locked yourself into that.

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I put the $1,200 in my statement

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as a precedent of where to start

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with what I thought was unreasonable,

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not for what I thought she deserved.

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No. That's not at all what you did.

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- What do you think, we're nuts up here?
- He just makes this up.

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I know. You think we're nuts up here.

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We'd have to be nuts
to listen to that crap.

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I mean, the whole thing
is she was listening to it

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and that tortured me,
but I got you standing there saying,

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"What the precedent for
the [indistinct]..."

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what the hell are you saying?

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For goodness sake. I mean, really.

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You said here,
"We agreed on a price of $1,200.

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Again, I was really nervous and stressed
about buying the SUV,

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but Emma told me just to give her
some money towards it

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when I could and not to stress."

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The $1,200 in my mind
would always stand as what I thought...

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How much of your mind
was removed during the surgery?

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- Do you wanna know the real answer?
- Because I think you're only functioning

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with a small portion of it.

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I know you think you sound intelligent...

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- It was an eighth of my brain.
- [Judge DiMango] ... because you're using

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words that have multiple syllables,

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but the reality is they're not
in the right place. I know. It's funny.

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It's funny for us too to listen to it,

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but even you can't stop yourself
from laughing.

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It--I can't.

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[Judge DiMango] I know, but I need
to go back to you, Ms. Hollen.

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What would make you think
that this deal should be consummated

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with a--consummated,
good word for you to use.

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00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:23,867
What would make you think that
you could close this deal with this guy?

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I don't know. I mean, honestly
I didn't trust it the whole time,

333
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but I really--I care about my family,
you know.

334
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[announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice.

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- He was very convincing.
- Oh, come on. Look at him.

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- You think this guy's convincing?
- Well...

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[Judge DiMango] Look, he's a con man.

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[dramatic musical sting]

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[theme music plays]

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[announcer] Emma Hollen is suing
her cousin Griffin Broadbent

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for failing to make payments

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then damaging the car she sold him.

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Griffin claims brain surgery kept him

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from working so he could pay her,

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plus the car was in bad shape
to begin with.

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Why are you here?

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[Mikeal] I'm a witness.

348
00:14:01,967 --> 00:14:04,533
Step up. What are you a witness to?

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00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:05,767
I'm Emma's husband.

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00:14:05,834 --> 00:14:07,800
I got to witness the entire event,

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uh, from the beginning till the end.

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00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,700
And... if he wasn't family,

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this situation would not have happened.

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00:14:14,767 --> 00:14:15,900
[Judge DiMango] Why are you saying that?

355
00:14:15,967 --> 00:14:18,033
Were you a witness to what?
What aspect of it?

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00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:21,066
The fact that he was interested
in the vehicle in the first place.

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00:14:21,367 --> 00:14:23,233
- Oh, he was interested in the vehicle.
- Yes.

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He just wasn't interested
in paying for it.

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00:14:25,166 --> 00:14:26,633
[Mikeal] Yes. About a month and a half

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into this verbal deal,

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uh, he was very convincing.

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00:14:30,333 --> 00:14:31,533
Very, very convincing.

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00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,033
Oh, come on. Look at him.
You think this guy's convincing?

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00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:35,500
- [Mikeal] Well, now, we know.
- [Judge DiMango] Really?

365
00:14:35,567 --> 00:14:36,567
Now, we know the truth.

366
00:14:36,633 --> 00:14:38,433
But about a month and a half in,

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00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:40,100
I started to get wary myself

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00:14:40,165 --> 00:14:42,433
and I advised my wife to--

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like we need to go pick this car up.

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00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:46,467
And we gave it time, you know,

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00:14:46,533 --> 00:14:48,165
- like we wanted to believe you.
- I know. Look, he's a con man.

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00:14:48,233 --> 00:14:51,667
"I deep cleaned the entire car
with a couple of friends

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and put $60 of gas in it

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00:14:54,066 --> 00:14:56,100
and used it to run some errands and stuff.

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00:14:56,165 --> 00:14:58,333
It drives great and I really like it.

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00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,667
Honestly, once I'm back to work,

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00:15:00,734 --> 00:15:03,667
I would be thoroughly interested
in starting the payments."

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00:15:03,734 --> 00:15:07,734
Bottom line is this could just have
a big B and a big S on it.

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00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,133
I'm finished with you.

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00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,633
So, the only--the only thing
I'm gonna add is that, uh,

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I read you a text September 29th
when you said

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to the defendant, "Uh, yeah,
I'm selling my Subaru Forester.

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00:15:17,033 --> 00:15:19,900
I've listed it for $3,000,
but I can definitely lower it

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00:15:19,967 --> 00:15:22,233
if you like or try
to get $2,000 out of it."

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00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:25,300
So, that $2,000, was that for the Forester

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00:15:25,367 --> 00:15:27,133
or was that for the car
that you eventually sold him?

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00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,066
It was for both. So when he was interested

388
00:15:29,133 --> 00:15:31,400
in the Nissan, I let him know
that I had another car

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00:15:31,467 --> 00:15:32,900
that he's, you know, okay to look at
if he wanted.

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[Judge Levy]
And they were both the same price?

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00:15:34,165 --> 00:15:35,266
- Yeah. I told him...
- [Judge Levy] And so that was...

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... either one he chose,
I could give him a deal of $2,000.

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00:15:37,165 --> 00:15:39,066
[Judge Levy] So, that was September 29th.

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00:15:39,133 --> 00:15:42,367
And then, again on October 2nd,
in another text that you sent to him,

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you again mentioned the $2,000.

396
00:15:45,033 --> 00:15:47,000
- Yes.
- And you never said no.

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00:15:47,066 --> 00:15:49,233
You never said it's only $1,200.

398
00:15:49,300 --> 00:15:51,800
You just kept the car, right?

399
00:15:51,867 --> 00:15:54,133
It's only a yes if you say yes.

400
00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,266
What?

401
00:15:55,333 --> 00:15:57,333
- [Griffin] It's only an agreement.
- Let me explain to you something.

402
00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,633
You have an attitude like that
with somebody else who's not family,

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00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:02,200
someone's gonna hurt you

404
00:16:02,266 --> 00:16:04,000
and they're gonna put you down.

405
00:16:04,066 --> 00:16:05,600
I have nothing further.

406
00:16:05,667 --> 00:16:07,500
[Judge DiMango]
I think we're gonna retire to deliberate.

407
00:16:07,567 --> 00:16:09,066
Sir, you can take your seat.

408
00:16:09,133 --> 00:16:11,500
Court is now in recess. Parties may exit.

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00:16:11,567 --> 00:16:14,433
[dramatic musical sting]

410
00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,300
You know, he thinks
this is all fun and games.

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00:16:17,367 --> 00:16:20,600
And it's a real bad way
to start off your life

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00:16:20,667 --> 00:16:23,834
when you're gonna start entering
into agreements with people,

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00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:26,700
strangers, family, friends, what have you,

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00:16:26,767 --> 00:16:28,333
and that's the attitude he's gonna have.

415
00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,633
He's in for a rude awakening.

416
00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:32,066
Having said that, I do agree

417
00:16:32,133 --> 00:16:34,300
that there was an agreement for $2,000.

418
00:16:34,367 --> 00:16:37,233
She put it in the text messages
several times

419
00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:39,900
and there wasn't one text message
where he said no.

420
00:16:39,967 --> 00:16:42,300
She said $2,000 and he took the car.

421
00:16:42,367 --> 00:16:43,867
So by his action,

422
00:16:43,934 --> 00:16:46,500
he was agreeing to the $2,000.

423
00:16:46,567 --> 00:16:49,100
As far as the damages go,
we didn't get into the damages,

424
00:16:49,165 --> 00:16:52,700
but she provided us
with the proof of $636.

425
00:16:52,767 --> 00:16:55,867
She sold the car for $1,500

426
00:16:55,934 --> 00:16:59,100
and that means that to get her
to where she would've been

427
00:16:59,165 --> 00:17:01,266
with the sale with this knucklehead,

428
00:17:01,333 --> 00:17:02,734
in order to make her whole,

429
00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,500
we should award her $500.

430
00:17:05,567 --> 00:17:08,532
That would give her
the original price of $2,000.

431
00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:09,767
And that's what I would recommend.

432
00:17:09,834 --> 00:17:12,165
So... I like her theory

433
00:17:12,233 --> 00:17:14,700
of just getting those payments from him.

434
00:17:15,032 --> 00:17:16,500
That's $350.

435
00:17:16,567 --> 00:17:19,300
Her testimony regarding the new tire,

436
00:17:19,367 --> 00:17:22,099
that was $200. The radio's $150

437
00:17:22,165 --> 00:17:25,032
and that door handle is $286, right?

438
00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:26,767
So, if we believe her,

439
00:17:26,834 --> 00:17:28,834
then I'm with $986.

440
00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:30,533
I'm gonna go by Tanya's theory,

441
00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,200
which is I think that she's entitled

442
00:17:33,266 --> 00:17:36,266
to what she laid out for the car
and if she made money on the car,

443
00:17:36,333 --> 00:17:38,333
she made money on it.
Whatever it was, it was.

444
00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,767
I just wanna give her the $986
and call it a day.

445
00:17:40,834 --> 00:17:42,533
I do too. I would give her the $986.

446
00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,667
So, I'm gonna join
in awarding her damages.

447
00:17:46,734 --> 00:17:49,467
I'm gonna say $500,
but I'm in the, uh, the descent.

448
00:17:49,533 --> 00:17:51,066
It's only yes if you say yes.

449
00:17:51,133 --> 00:17:52,300
- [laughter]
- No.

450
00:17:52,367 --> 00:17:55,200
He's a very wise young man,
I must say.

451
00:17:55,266 --> 00:17:58,233
But just out of--
just along the lines here,

452
00:17:58,300 --> 00:17:59,900
whether or not he bought the car

453
00:17:59,967 --> 00:18:02,166
or didn't buy the car,
it was damaged while he had it.

454
00:18:02,233 --> 00:18:03,900
If we believe that, it doesn't even matter

455
00:18:03,967 --> 00:18:05,433
- if they had a contract for sale.
- Right.

456
00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:06,500
[Judge Acker] Yeah, I'm with you on that.

457
00:18:06,567 --> 00:18:07,967
All right.

458
00:18:08,033 --> 00:18:11,233
[dramatic musical sting]

459
00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:12,633
Court is back in session.

460
00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:15,200
All parties are reminded
that you're still under oath.

461
00:18:15,266 --> 00:18:16,567
- Thank you, Cassandra.
- Uh-hmm.

462
00:18:16,633 --> 00:18:19,467
All right. Here's where we are unanimous.

463
00:18:19,533 --> 00:18:20,867
- Ms. Hollen.
- Uh-hmm.

464
00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:24,734
[Judge Levy] We found you credible.
The $2,000 agreement

465
00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,467
was corroborated by the text messages

466
00:18:27,533 --> 00:18:29,467
and he agreed by his action

467
00:18:29,533 --> 00:18:31,633
- by keeping the vehicle.
- Yes.

468
00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:34,033
[Judge Levy] So, you made out
your burden of proof

469
00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:36,633
that the vehicle was sold for $2,000.

470
00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:38,700
- Thank you.
- Mr. Broadbent, we are also unanimous

471
00:18:38,767 --> 00:18:40,967
in that we didn't believe a thing
that came out of your mouth.

472
00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,266
Where we are not unanimous, however,

473
00:18:44,333 --> 00:18:46,300
and that's not a bad thing,
are the damages.

474
00:18:46,367 --> 00:18:48,667
- [Emma] Yeah.
- So, it is my position

475
00:18:48,734 --> 00:18:50,767
that you sold the car for $2,000.

476
00:18:50,834 --> 00:18:51,967
To walk out of here whole,

477
00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:54,767
you should be awarded the full $2,000.

478
00:18:54,834 --> 00:18:58,233
Therefore, you got $1,500 from the sale

479
00:18:58,300 --> 00:19:00,533
and to make you whole for 2,000,

480
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,934
- I would've awarded you $500.
- [Emma] Yeah.

481
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,100
I was overruled by my colleagues

482
00:19:05,166 --> 00:19:07,867
and they agreed
that you should be entitled

483
00:19:07,934 --> 00:19:10,200
to all of the money
that you put into fixing it.

484
00:19:10,266 --> 00:19:12,233
And those repairs clearly indicated

485
00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:16,467
that you spent $636 for those repairs

486
00:19:16,533 --> 00:19:20,033
and the $350 for the three
and a half months

487
00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:23,600
that you used the car without paying
anything pursuant to the contract.

488
00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:26,633
So, it is the decision of the majority

489
00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:30,900
that you pay the plaintiff $986.

490
00:19:30,967 --> 00:19:32,066
- [Emma] Thank you so much.
- Thank you, both.

491
00:19:32,133 --> 00:19:33,133
[gavel bangs]

492
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,367
[Cassandra] This case has concluded.

493
00:19:34,433 --> 00:19:35,900
All parties are excused.

494
00:19:35,967 --> 00:19:38,867
[theme music plays]

495
00:19:38,934 --> 00:19:40,667
I never settled on anything with her.

496
00:19:40,734 --> 00:19:42,867
He has a sense of entitlement. [laughs]

497
00:19:42,934 --> 00:19:44,834
I would hope that it doesn't
damage the family

498
00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:46,767
even if it hinders our relationship.

499
00:19:46,834 --> 00:19:48,400
If he ever wants to take accountability,

500
00:19:48,467 --> 00:19:51,800
I am always open to,
you know, a friendship.

501
00:19:51,867 --> 00:19:54,166
I'm okay with that.
I'm forgiving. [laughs]

502
00:19:54,233 --> 00:19:56,467
I have my own life to live
and things to focus on.

503
00:19:56,533 --> 00:19:58,633
Don't trust people without proof. [laughs]

504
00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:00,100
Good for her.

505
00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:01,567
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506
00:20:01,633 --> 00:20:04,700
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507
00:20:04,767 --> 00:20:06,934
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508
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,600
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509
00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:11,700
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