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You hired the defendant
to remodel your bathroom.
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And never did any of the work.
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He literally was never there.
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Are you a licensed contractor?
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"Licensed" really is not
anything that's ...
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... I don't think
particularly means anything.
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It doesn't--it--it's not--it's not a--
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- I don't know how to...
- What?
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You are saying absolutely nothing.
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This guy is a scammer every day
and twice on Sunday.
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{\an8}["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]
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[announcer] Today's case was filed
in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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{\an8}Your Honor, this is case number 2026
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{\an8}on account in the matter
of Herron versus Jacobson.
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{\an8}Parties have been sworn in.
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{\an8}You may be seated.
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{\an8}- [Judge Acker] Thank you, Byrd.
- [Byrd] You're welcome, Judge.
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{\an8}So Ms. Herron,
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{\an8}you hired the defendant Joshua Jacobson,
"Handsome Hammer,"
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to remodel your bathroom.
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The total cost of the job
was supposed to be about $8,000.
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You paid him a $6,000 deposit.
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- Yes.
- [Judge Acker] You're now suing him
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{\an8}for $10,000
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{\an8}because you want the $6,000 back
that you paid him as a deposit.
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{\an8}You claimed he also damaged your home
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and you also have a claim
for emotional distress.
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So the total amount of your claim
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is for our jurisdictional
maximum of $10,000.
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Mr. Jacobson, your defense says
you had to quit the job
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{\an8}because you were threatened and harassed,
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{\an8}so you really don't owe her
a refund of anything.
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{\an8}Yes, more or less.
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More or less?
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Well, we'll get to what's more
and we'll get to what's less.
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Just out of curiosity,
where did you come up with the name
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"Handsome Hammer"?
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{\an8}Um, just kind of wordplay
on a bunch of different things.
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{\an8}Doing kind of wordplay scramble
and it sounded catchy.
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I was playing around with the name
and I was working with a real estate agent
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and she said, "Hey, I like that name."
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So I went with it.
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So Ms. Herron, how do you find him, ma'am?
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So, um, he was recommended
by a friend from high school
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and I went with him
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because his design ideas
were like in line with mine and...
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- [Judge Acker] You were really pleased.
- Yes. Extremely.
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[Judge Acker] He said,
"This is gonna work.
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- I'm so excited for my new bathroom."
- Yes. Uh-hmm.
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[Judge Acker] January 25th,
the original contract price
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was $7,950.
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According to the contract,
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the deposit due was $3,975.
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Yet, I note that you paid $6,000 down.
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- Yes, I did.
- [Judge Acker] And you don't dispute
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- that you received $6,000 from her.
- That's correct.
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{\an8}[Judge Acker] Why'd you give him so much
extra money for the deposit?
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{\an8}So he requested $6,000
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{\an8}because he said he was short on some money
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that he was gonna put down
for a truck for his business.
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So because he came highly recommended,
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I decided to go ahead
and give them the extra money.
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[Judge Acker]
Sir, when you took on this project,
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were you licensed and insured
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- as a contractor?
- [Joshua] Um, I--
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I'm not positive on that.
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- And I did...
- I am. I'm positive.
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[Joshua] I know--I know
I did get insurance.
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And you got the insurance
after I believe your father
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had a sit-down with him.
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And Dad said,
"What's going on with this project?"
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- Yes.
- But I'm getting ahead of myself.
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- [Judge Acker] So you signed...
- Right.
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... the contract the end of January.
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Demo starts in February.
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Now here was an interesting fact.
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You had family members.
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I think your son and
your significant other
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were helping him with the demo.
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Why did you do that?
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I asked because I knew
he didn't wanna do the demo at first.
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Um, I couldn't find somebody that
could, um, do the mold removal.
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He said he was educated with that,
knew what--how to do it
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without going throughout the house.
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My son said that he would help to minimize
the amount that I had to pay him.
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- True, sir?
- [Joshua] Yeah.
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She was cutting down the cost.
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I was helping her out
by using family members
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{\an8}which I was not--did not want to do,
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{\an8}but I was trying to be helpful
in the case.
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{\an8}He was supposed to work with my son,
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and it ended up he would
instruct him what to do
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and he'd leave for the next job.
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So he literally was never there.
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[Judge Acker]
Now, this is what would be helpful.
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Can we put up the picture
of the plaintiff's bathroom
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before any work was done?
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So you want a new bathtub, new backsplash.
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And so the first thing
to do is to have him
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- demolish all of this.
- Yes.
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[Judge Acker] So now, sir,
tell me what you did.
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So, we took out the walls.
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That's--so we started with the tile.
There's tons of tile.
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You could see on the left side,
that whole vanity,
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the whole counter, that all had to go.
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The subwall, the toilet,
all the drywall on the side of the walls.
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As of what was left there,
it was little scrapings
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and little stuff that take off
and that's primarily what her son did.
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You don't have to be a licensed,
you know, guy to do that.
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[Judge Acker]
How much of the demo work was completed?
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I know he removed the toilet
and put it on my carpet.
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That definitely is not the way to do it.
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It stained my carpet.
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{\an8}Then he's taking a wheelbarrow
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{\an8}through my house to get the debris out
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when we discussed going out the window.
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This--like, it was not done
anything like we discussed.
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[Judge Acker] We put up exhibit
for the plaintiff's floors.
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She just gave testimony about
damage that we are seeing
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on the left side of the photograph,
is that right, ma'am?
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[Sheila] Yes. So that's right to the left
you see that frame.
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And that's like right where
he was going in and out,
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and that's what it looked like before.
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[Judge Acker]
Do you take responsibility for this?
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Yeah. Yes, I do. I do.
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This is why I didn't wanna
have her son working with me
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'cause a lot of those scratches happened
over miscommunication
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what was supposed to be done,
what was going on.
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There's a lot of stuff happening.
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[Judge Acker] These are only
small aspects of the problem
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and really only a small
aspect of your claim.
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- Right.
- [Judge Acker] That original contract
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called for new tile, backsplash.
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Did any of those things happen?
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- No.
- [Judge Acker] The critical point
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at this case were things
seemed to have broken down
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was somewhere around March.
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Now, in March, you're reaching out to him,
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asking him if he's gonna come back
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- and complete some work.
- Right.
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[Judge Acker]
And I know, sir, at one point,
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you told the plaintiff
that you're in the hospital.
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- You were having some...
- Having asthma issues.
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I was in there for a couple days,
didn't get an Albuterol.
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{\an8}[indistinct] what they do is
give me a [indistinct] treatment.
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{\an8}[Judge Acker] Right around
Saint Patty's Day?
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{\an8}- Yup.
- Now, what I also note
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is that there's evidence in the record
that right around Saint Patty's Day,
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you were hosting a party bus
for a Saint Patty's Day party.
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Yeah. That never happened, so...
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Is that right, ma'am?
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Well, when he didn't show up
and, like, I was like, "Where is he?"
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So I just went on his Facebook
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and I found that he had
bought this party bus.
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And I'm sure that's where my money went
and he was working on this bus
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while he was supposed to be at my house.
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I am going to stop right here
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because the party bus is a great place
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for me to turn the case to my colleagues.
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Judge?
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Uh, when I read the complaint
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{\an8}and you said that he needed
money for a truck
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{\an8}and then I read further
and I saw the evidence,
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I said, "Well, he really
wasn't lying to you."
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- Oh, yeah. Definitely.
- He needed the money for his party truck.
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And I looked at the dates
and I said, "He was hungover."
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- [Judge DiMango] Yup. Uh-hmm.
- He was hungover
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- from Saint Patrick's Day.
- [Joshua] No.
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- Partied a little too hard.
- [Judge DiMango] He had the--
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you partied a little too hard. Yeah.
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- You couldn't do what you were promising.
- [Joshua] So...
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Why couldn't you come through
with what you agreed to do?
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{\an8}So, basically what had happened
was that after Saint Patty's Day,
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{\an8}she threatened me with legal action
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{\an8}and the cops, and a bunch of other things.
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And then there was other threats
and I was in the hospital.
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I don't know about the hospital
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because I didn't see
any hospital records in here.
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I don't think I have to admit those, do I?
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[Judge DiMango]
You don't have to do anything
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that you don't feel you can prove
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But we don't have 'em, so...
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I could--we could--
we could have done that.
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- [Judge DiMango] No. You know what?
- It didn't cross my mind.
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I had to prove I was in the hospital.
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Listen, I'm just pointing out
that, you know...
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- [Joshua] I get it.
- ... if you wanted to show
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the bathroom that you finished,
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you might have a picture of that.
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Coming up on Tribunal Justice...
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Let's talk about this
fake Facebook profile,
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because this guy looks just like you.
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[Joshua] People have
all kinds of Facebooks.
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- We've been fake...
- [Judge Levy] Yeah.
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And here's Calvin Kohlbeck
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who is recommending
to everyone on their Facebook,
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"He did my floors fast,
and everything looks fantastic."
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That's you recommending yourself!
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- Because I did my own floors.
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That is freakin' laughable.
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[dramatic musical sting]
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{\an8}[announcer] Homeowner Sheila Herron
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{\an8}claims contractor Joshua Jacobson
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{\an8}took her money,
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started a bathroom remodel,
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then bought a party bus
and never returned.
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Joshua says he was threatened,
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harassed, and owes Sheila nothing.
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{\an8}I'm gonna say that the picture that you
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{\an8}submitted kind of makes it
look like it's a great floor,
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but how long was the last time
before you had the floor sanded?
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{\an8}I had just finished it.
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{\an8}I just had it sanded and stained
before he started working.
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She had just had her floors redo--yup.
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- [Judge DiMango] It was? Okay.
- Yes.
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[Judge DiMango]
Because there is also a receipt in here
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for the floors which says
$2,900 approximately.
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- [Sheila] Yeah.
- [Judge DiMango] By the way,
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he did do some work in the bathroom.
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Do we have pictures of that?
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Well, that's finished, but...
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[Judge DiMango] Is that--
that's not what he did.
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When he left, 'cause
he couldn't find anybody to help him.
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[Judge DiMango] But this is work that
was done by the second contractor
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- that you hired.
- Correct. Yes.
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You know, this is the problem
I had when I was reading
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through the volumes
of evidence that you both submitted.
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She relied on representations from you...
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- [Joshua] Uh-hmm.
- ... about a list of things that
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{\an8}- you were going to do for a bathroom.
- Correct.
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{\an8}[Judge DiMango] It was your main
bathroom in the home, ma'am?
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- [Sheila] Yes.
- You had a second bathroom,
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however, in the basement?
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[Sheila] In the basement
but there was no shower.
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I literally had to go to my dad's house,
to friends' houses, like,
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- we had to scramble and find...
- [Judge DiMango] You get that, right?
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- [Joshua] Yes, I do.
- I mean, you know there was no shower...
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- [Joshua] Yes, ma'am.
- ... so you were there to see that.
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We had other issues
going on that we haven't even,
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you know, brought about in this.
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[Judge DiMango] Well, you did do work.
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You did do while you're doing
[indistinct].
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[Joshua] And I'm also
the owner of this company.
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I was--I don't have to do all the work.
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That's--we have to understand I think.
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When you're the owner of a business,
you have workers that work for you.
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I had people quit,
and that was the issue I was dealing with
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that she had mentioned earlier.
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Are you a licensed contractor?
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Do you know what "licensed" means?
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Uh, well, why don't you tell me?
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- Just in case.
- [Joshua] "Licensed" really is not
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anything that's I don't think
particularly means anything.
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I mean, it's not a real thing
when you--when you tried to ask
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contractor, "Are you licensed?"
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- [Judge DiMango] Yes.
- It doesn't--
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it--it's not--it's not a--
I don't know how to...
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[Judge DiMango]
You are saying absolutely nothing.
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I'm gonna ask you something.
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- When you were in the hospital...
- [Joshua] No, I am not a...
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... did your doctor have a license?
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- Because maybe it doesn't mean anything.
- [Joshua laughs]
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[Judge DiMango] Maybe that's why
you were there so long.
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I mean, would you want somebody
who was not a doctor working on you?
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No, it doesn't mean anything
in the construction world
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to say you're licensed, honestly.
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[Judge DiMango] Well,
what it does mean is that somehow...
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It's just you throwing
around words that make me look like
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I'm not professional.
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That's all it is.
That's all it's happening right there.
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Well, I'm gonna tell you exactly
what it means.
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{\an8}I am insured and I don't have to be a...
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{\an8}- [Judge DiMango] You wouldn't...
- I don't have to be a general contractor
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{\an8}to do any of this.
That's what's you're asking.
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{\an8}Is that you're asking if I have
a general contractor's license?
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[Judge DiMango]
I am asking, do you have any,
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for lack of a better word, even though
it might be useless in your book, license?
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I was--I was in school for--
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getting my general contractor's
license at the time.
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I did not have a general
contractor's license at the time.
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- [Judge DiMango] Okay. So now...
- [Joshua] And that's it.
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... let me tell you.
In some jurisdictions,
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if you don't have a license
and you don't get paid, you can't sue.
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- Judge Levy?
- Yeah.
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So Mr. Jacobson,
I just wanted to make sure
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that I understood you correctly.
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You said that it really doesn't
mean anything
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{\an8}not to have a license,
a contractor's license.
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{\an8}No, I didn't say a contractor's license.
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That's--I was--I was basically
talking about something
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- completely different than what...
- [Judge Levy] Okay. Okay.
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So let me start fresh.
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You know it's a felony.
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You go to prison
where you live in Wisconsin
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if you take money from a homeowner
to do contracting work
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and don't put their money
in a separate account
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and spend it on anything else
except for their job.
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You know it's a felony to do that, right?
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- How about that for a direct question?
- No.
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What? You don't know it's a felony?
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- [Joshua] I just...
- You spent time with this...
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- I just left a court case...
- [Judge Levy] You spent time...
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... that I was dismissed.
There would have been a felony there.
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[Judge Levy] Oh, no, no, no.
We're gonna get into that.
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Because that's what
this lawsuit's all about.
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Whether or not you committed a felony
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and just were lucky enough
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to have some lazy assistant DA
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who didn't wanna take the time
or effort to go through her material
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- because he or she, because--well...
- [Joshua] That is baloney, man.
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- They brought this to me three times.
- [Judge Levy] Hold on, hold on.
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February 23rd, 2023.
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Prosecuting attorney.
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This is all public record.
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Get it right online
in the great state of Wisconsin.
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Defendant advised that court
reviewed the complaint
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and found probable cause.
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Because you took $6,000 of her money
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and you did not put it
into a segregated account.
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- And because she had...
- Who she had--how do you know
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I did not have it in an account?
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Where is that coming from?
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- Do you have proof of it?
- [Judge Levy] Did you--okay. Great.
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- Show me proof that you have it...
- I don't have to.
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That's--what?
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You don't--okay. So listen, Mr. Jacobson.
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This ain't my first rodeo.
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I've dealt with scammers, criminals,
liars, manipulators, fabricators.
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I prosecuted these cases.
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- $6,000, you paid them, right?
- Yes.
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[Judge Levy] Did she send it to your
business account or your personal account?
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- I don't--I'm not gonna answer...
- Boom.
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- ... your questions [indistinct].
- Joshua Jacobson.
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Joshua Jacobson.
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That's not your business account,
is it, sir?
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{\an8}- No. This guy is a scammer to the...
- I'm not a scammer.
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{\an8}[Judge Levy] This guy's a scammer
every day and twice on Sunday.
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{\an8}And he took that money
and he was supposed to do what?
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Buy materials with it?
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- Yeah. Well...
- No. If you could read the--
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if you read the invoice,
she's responsible for materials.
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[Judge Levy] She is. Wait, wait, wait.
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You were collecting
receipts for the materials
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that you were spending on the job.
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You were gonna give her those receipts
and she was going to reimburse you, right?
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- Yes.
- [Judge Levy] Great.
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And that is what you actually
told the police officers July 14th, 2021.
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Jacobson sent an itemized list
for the materials used on the job
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which cost $2,489.50.
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Jacobson stated he purchased
most of the materials in cash
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and did not have receipts any longer.
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Explain that to me.
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- Knowing...
- I have no problem explaining it to you.
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Wait a minute. Knowing that you
have to provide her with receipts
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in order to get reimbursed,
which you just said.
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But yet when the police say to you,
where are the receipts?
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All of a sudden, you don't got them.
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You paid cash.
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And for you to say that the DA's
office and the judge dismissed
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the case because you were innocent,
that is 100% inconsistent
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with the file jacket from the court
that you were there with.
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Then why was it dismissed three times?
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[Judge Levy] I'm telling you
exactly why it's dismissed.
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They got DUIs. They got drugs.
They got domestic cases.
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They get burglaries, robberies,
murder cases.
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Well, you can't just say
this is all happening.
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[Judge Levy] Yeah.
I know exactly what happened.
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- You're a bunch of baloney, man.
- [Judge Levy] You know what?
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Let's talk about this fake
Facebook profile.
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Who's Calvin Kohlbeck?
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Who is that, sir?
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{\an8}Calvin Kohlbeck. Who's that?
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{\an8}Because this guy looks just like you.
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{\an8}- [Joshua] Yeah.
- [Judge Levy] You did that?
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{\an8}I--people have all kinds of Facebooks.
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{\an8}- What do you mean fake profile?
- [Judge Levy] Yeah, of course. Of course.
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{\an8}- Why is it fake profile?
- [Judge Levy] That's what they do.
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And here's Calvin Kohlbeck,
who is recommending to everyone
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{\an8}on the Facebook, "He did my floors.
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{\an8}Custom Glacier white.
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Fast and everything looks fantastic."
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- That's you recommending yourself.
- Because I did my own floors.
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[laughs]
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[gavel bangs]
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That is freaking laughable.
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[announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice.
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Tell me about that.
What was that all about, mister?
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- I didn't do anything for...
- I didn't.
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- ... St. Paddy's Day.
- Nothing ever happened.
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[Judge Levy] This is your real account,
Joshua Jacobson.
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And it begins, building the party animal.
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Building the party bus.
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Where'd you get the money for that?
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[dramatic musical sting]
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{\an8}[theme music plays]
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{\an8}[announcer] Sheila Herron hired
Handsome Hammer, Joshua Jacobson,
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to remodel her bathroom.
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She claims he took her money
and never returned to finish the job.
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Joshua claims
Sheila posted threats online,
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so he owes her nothing.
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[Judge Levy] So getting back though
to your St. Paddy's Day bus.
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{\an8}March 7th, roll call.
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{\an8}This is you now.
This is your real account.
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{\an8}Joshua Jacobson. March 7th.
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{\an8}"I have 15 spots on the party
animal shuttle for St. Paddy's.
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{\an8}Includes coolers for ice and beverages."
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{\an8}Tell me about that.
What was that all about,
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{\an8}Mr. "I didn't do anything
for St. Paddy's Day."
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- Tell me about that.
- I didn't. Nothing ever happened.
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- It was just an idea.
- [Judge Levy laughs]
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{\an8}Dead to rights.
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{\an8}Joshua Jacobson, March 10th.
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{\an8}And it begins, building the party animal.
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Building the party bus.
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Where'd you get the money for that?
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Done.
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I'm done. I got nothing further.
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I got you dead to rights.
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I have a few questions.
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Part of your defense
is that you had to quit
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in order to protect your mental health.
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{\an8}And that's where all of this
sort of started this spiral,
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{\an8}because she wanted money back
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and then you also
have made this court aware
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of threats made either by her
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or those working
on her behalf or at her behest.
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Would you like to explain?
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00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:09,800
Um, yeah.
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{\an8}The original post about me
that was basically lies,
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{\an8}said I never showed up.
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00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,600
{\an8}That I took her money.
I'm a thief. I'm a crook.
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That then turned into all kinds
of people biting in and sharing it
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obviously and affecting my business,
my family life.
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- And then...
- [Judge Acker] When did you become
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aware of the Facebook post?
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Uh, my girlfriend at the time
showed it to me.
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[Judge Acker] So Ms. Herron,
here's what you said,
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"I hired Joshua Jacobson,
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Handsome Hammer, to renovate my bathroom
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and he took $6,000 as a down payment
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and never did any of the work
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and decided to bail on me
and keep my money.
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He is a thief.
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Please share and spread the word
so no one else has to go through this."
447
00:17:50,934 --> 00:17:52,700
And then some other people are asking you,
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"Do you know where he lives or hangs out?
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I'm gonna come find him."
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00:17:56,633 --> 00:17:58,667
Didn't I see a threat that was
actually directed toward you?
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00:17:58,734 --> 00:18:01,834
He put a review on my Facebook page, um,
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that said, um,
"You are a crook and we will meet."
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00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,333
Did anybody ever contact you
or engage with you personally or...
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- Yes.
- ... just online?
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{\an8}Yes. I did have some issues with,
um, some, uh,
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{\an8}drive-bys around the house.
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I did receive some,
um, damage to my vehicle.
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There's some key marks.
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Some, uh--just some dents
that just weren't there.
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[Judge Acker] Well, wait.
There is nothing to connect
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the plaintiff or anyone
acting on her behalf
462
00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:32,567
to the damage to your car.
463
00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:33,700
- Is that your testimony?
- I never looked--
464
00:18:33,767 --> 00:18:35,133
I never--I never--I just assumed.
465
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,000
I never really looked into it,
uh, as of that.
466
00:18:38,066 --> 00:18:39,533
[Judge Acker] Okay. Thank you both.
467
00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,600
Okay. Then we're gonna
retire to deliberate.
468
00:18:41,667 --> 00:18:43,834
[Byrd] Court now stands in recess.
469
00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:45,367
This case will be recalled.
470
00:18:49,633 --> 00:18:51,533
So she's suing for $10,000.
471
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,133
I think there are parts of the claim
that we can dispose of easily.
472
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,433
He admits the damage to the floor.
473
00:18:57,500 --> 00:19:02,300
He admits to damaging the carpet
by putting the toilet on the carpet.
474
00:19:02,367 --> 00:19:05,266
That certainly is gonna make
that carpet most unusable.
475
00:19:05,333 --> 00:19:08,400
And look, not only did he
not substantially complete,
476
00:19:08,467 --> 00:19:12,233
he didn't do most
of what was on that original invoice.
477
00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:15,000
I'd give her everything
absent the emotional distress.
478
00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:17,200
I think she got her venting on Facebook.
479
00:19:17,266 --> 00:19:18,266
I mean, he did do something.
480
00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:20,533
You wanna not accredit that with anything?
481
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,233
He's not given us any evidence
whatsoever of anything that he did.
482
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,700
In fact, she was actually generous
by I think making some concessions.
483
00:19:28,767 --> 00:19:30,567
I think there's no substantial
completion here.
484
00:19:30,633 --> 00:19:32,633
I wasn't looking
for substantial completion.
485
00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:36,000
But I was wondering if to some extent
when she had the new carpenter come in,
486
00:19:36,066 --> 00:19:39,400
there was some benefit that
she gained from that like an almost
487
00:19:39,467 --> 00:19:41,734
on the form of unjust enrichment.
I don't know.
488
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,066
I--he was doing
a lot of talking in circles,
489
00:19:44,133 --> 00:19:45,900
so I really had a hard time
with what he was doing...
490
00:19:45,967 --> 00:19:47,033
You mean when he was talking
about the license thingy...
491
00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:48,400
- Yeah.
- ... which is not a thing?
492
00:19:48,467 --> 00:19:49,700
We shouldn't just call a license a thingy.
493
00:19:49,767 --> 00:19:51,100
- No, that's not a thingy.
- I mean, I don't--
494
00:19:51,166 --> 00:19:52,166
he didn't know how to explain it.
495
00:19:52,233 --> 00:19:53,233
You see, you didn't give him a chance.
496
00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:55,400
He could not figure out
how to explain that.
497
00:19:55,467 --> 00:19:57,300
$10,000 is fine. She gets it back.
498
00:19:57,367 --> 00:19:59,400
[Judge Levy] I agree.
What really set this apart
499
00:19:59,467 --> 00:20:01,834
from my perspective
is one of the first things
500
00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:05,200
that he was asked by you
was whether or not he was licensed.
501
00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:06,400
And his answer was not sure.
502
00:20:06,467 --> 00:20:10,533
Well, he very clearly
told the police he was not.
503
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,133
That's all in the police report.
504
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,233
Then the issue came up about,
one of you said,
505
00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:17,900
"It looks like everything kind
of really broke down in March."
506
00:20:17,967 --> 00:20:20,867
And he says, "Yeah. That was when
I was having my asthma issues."
507
00:20:20,934 --> 00:20:22,400
And then she goes on about, "No.
508
00:20:22,467 --> 00:20:24,133
This was the St. Paddy's Day bus."
509
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,500
Quote by him, "Never happened."
510
00:20:27,567 --> 00:20:32,000
He just didn't know that she provided
us with those Facebook posts.
511
00:20:32,066 --> 00:20:36,166
I mean, he creates a fake
Facebook post and then uses
512
00:20:36,233 --> 00:20:38,934
- that fake name to give a good...
- Ratings.
513
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,834
... uh, rating to himself. To himself.
514
00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:43,100
[indistinct] the Handsome Hammer.
515
00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,166
[Judge Levy] To himself.
516
00:20:44,233 --> 00:20:45,633
I can laugh about it.
517
00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:49,500
But for a homeowner who has
to scrounge together $6,000
518
00:20:49,567 --> 00:20:52,767
to have a bathroom for herself
and her kids, and it's weeks,
519
00:20:52,834 --> 00:20:55,633
weeks before she can use her own bathroom,
520
00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:57,700
she's trying to get help
from the guy who's blowing her off,
521
00:20:57,767 --> 00:20:59,667
lies about the hospital.
522
00:20:59,734 --> 00:21:01,567
Right? Why should I bring
in my hospital bills?
523
00:21:01,633 --> 00:21:02,633
Well, listen, moron.
524
00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:05,500
The reason you should have brought
your hospital bills in is because you know
525
00:21:05,567 --> 00:21:07,600
she's making a claim that you
lied about those hospital bills.
526
00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:09,767
He's just outright lying.
527
00:21:09,834 --> 00:21:11,367
Unfortunately,
it happens to too many people.
528
00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:13,533
But everything she asked for,
I'd be in favor of giving her.
529
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,200
You know, Adam,
you reminded me of that police report.
530
00:21:17,266 --> 00:21:20,100
And I think it's pretty
unconscionable to just create
531
00:21:20,166 --> 00:21:21,967
an entirely false narrative.
532
00:21:22,033 --> 00:21:24,266
I mean, you know, you're giving
a false statement to the police.
533
00:21:24,333 --> 00:21:27,533
That's not the reason
that he wasn't able to do the work.
534
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,200
And I think perhaps I might
be even talked into that emotional
535
00:21:31,266 --> 00:21:34,734
distress recovery simply
because she then had to fight this false
536
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,934
narrative that he was creating
with law enforcement.
537
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,500
I think we're at $10,000.
538
00:21:38,567 --> 00:21:40,166
And I'm never a fan
of giving emotional distress.
539
00:21:40,567 --> 00:21:44,000
But there was something amiss
about him that I can't put my finger on
540
00:21:44,066 --> 00:21:45,567
that makes me uncomfortable about him.
541
00:21:45,633 --> 00:21:49,233
Maybe it's that you don't really have your
head around what a license means.
542
00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:50,533
- I'm struggling...
- Because it's just a little thingy.
543
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,100
I'm struggling with that still. Thank you.
544
00:21:54,166 --> 00:21:57,000
[dramatic musical sting]
545
00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:58,266
[Byrd] Court is back in session.
546
00:21:58,333 --> 00:22:00,100
Parties are reminded
you're still under oath.
547
00:22:00,166 --> 00:22:01,667
- [Judge Acker] Thank you, Byrd.
- [Byrd] Uh-hmm.
548
00:22:01,734 --> 00:22:05,333
[Judge Acker] We have deliberated
and we've reached a unanimous verdict.
549
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,333
So I'm gonna start with this,
which is where I ended with you.
550
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,300
Did not like that Facebook post.
551
00:22:11,367 --> 00:22:12,767
Not one bit.
552
00:22:12,834 --> 00:22:16,767
However, Mr. Jacobson,
did not like the fact
553
00:22:16,834 --> 00:22:19,633
that you gave a completely false statement
554
00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:21,934
to the police about
why you walked off the job.
555
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,633
It wasn't because
she didn't pay for materials.
556
00:22:24,033 --> 00:22:25,500
There were other things going on.
557
00:22:25,567 --> 00:22:27,934
I think that that's something
that we see far too much of.
558
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,467
You know, people just play fast
and loose with what they can say
559
00:22:31,533 --> 00:22:33,867
on social media and what they say
to law enforcement.
560
00:22:33,934 --> 00:22:37,800
That being said,
we have reached a unanimous verdict.
561
00:22:37,867 --> 00:22:40,567
And as we see it,
she didn't get what she paid for.
562
00:22:40,633 --> 00:22:41,967
She barely got anything.
563
00:22:42,033 --> 00:22:44,667
And it's for that reason, ma'am,
that we are awarding you
564
00:22:44,734 --> 00:22:47,166
the full $10,000 that you've requested.
565
00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:49,500
So that is the verdict of this court.
566
00:22:49,567 --> 00:22:51,533
Good luck to you
and good luck to you, sir.
567
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,066
{\an8}Thank you for bringing your matter here.
568
00:22:53,133 --> 00:22:54,133
{\an8}[gavel bangs]
569
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,433
{\an8}[Byrd] This case is now concluded.
570
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:56,600
{\an8}Parties are excused.
571
00:22:56,667 --> 00:22:57,667
You may step out.
572
00:23:00,767 --> 00:23:02,900
{\an8}I've learned a lot to look into people.
573
00:23:02,967 --> 00:23:03,900
{\an8}I'm not a crook.
574
00:23:03,967 --> 00:23:06,967
{\an8}To not take other people's word for it.
575
00:23:07,033 --> 00:23:08,700
{\an8}Um, I've never lied to the cops.
576
00:23:08,767 --> 00:23:13,133
{\an8}Not, uh, post on social
media about stuff like this.
577
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,900
{\an8}Oh, yeah, no, she did hit below the belt.
578
00:23:14,967 --> 00:23:16,734
{\an8}Glad to put this behind me.
579
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,867
{\an8}Handsome Hammer
keeps staying alive hopefully.
580
00:23:18,934 --> 00:23:22,867
{\an8}No, no, I will not be working
with the Handsome Hammer ever again.
581
00:23:22,934 --> 00:23:25,033
{\an8}I'm just ready to keep on rocking.
582
00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:27,467
{\an8}[announcer] Did someone break
an agreement?
583
00:23:27,533 --> 00:23:30,834
{\an8}Let Tribunal Justice decide your case.
584
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:33,533
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585
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,600
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