1 00:00:06,367 --> 00:00:09,233 You hired the defendant to remodel your bathroom. 2 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:11,367 And never did any of the work. 3 00:00:11,433 --> 00:00:13,600 He literally was never there. 4 00:00:13,667 --> 00:00:15,900 Are you a licensed contractor? 5 00:00:15,967 --> 00:00:19,000 "Licensed" really is not anything that's ... 6 00:00:19,066 --> 00:00:21,700 ... I don't think particularly means anything. 7 00:00:21,767 --> 00:00:24,000 It doesn't--it--it's not--it's not a-- 8 00:00:24,066 --> 00:00:26,033 - I don't know how to... - What? 9 00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:28,400 You are saying absolutely nothing. 10 00:00:28,467 --> 00:00:31,233 This guy is a scammer every day and twice on Sunday. 11 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:34,100 Next on Tribunal Justice... 12 00:00:34,166 --> 00:00:37,533 {\an8} 13 00:00:55,533 --> 00:00:59,400 Today's case was filed in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 14 00:00:59,467 --> 00:01:01,734 {\an8}Your Honor, this is case number 2026 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,166 {\an8}on account in the matter of Herron versus Jacobson. 16 00:01:05,233 --> 00:01:06,367 {\an8}Parties have been sworn in. 17 00:01:06,433 --> 00:01:07,433 {\an8}You may be seated. 18 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:08,767 {\an8}- Thank you, Byrd. You're welcome, Judge. 19 00:01:08,834 --> 00:01:10,166 {\an8}So Ms. Herron, 20 00:01:10,233 --> 00:01:13,934 {\an8}you hired the defendant Joshua Jacobson, "Handsome Hammer," 21 00:01:14,333 --> 00:01:15,967 to remodel your bathroom. 22 00:01:16,033 --> 00:01:19,467 The total cost of the job was supposed to be about $8,000. 23 00:01:19,533 --> 00:01:21,767 You paid him a $6,000 deposit. 24 00:01:21,834 --> 00:01:23,333 - Yes. - You're now suing him 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,066 {\an8}for $10,000 26 00:01:25,133 --> 00:01:28,867 {\an8}because you want the $6,000 back that you paid him as a deposit. 27 00:01:28,934 --> 00:01:31,400 {\an8}You claimed he also damaged your home 28 00:01:31,467 --> 00:01:34,266 and you also have a claim for emotional distress. 29 00:01:34,333 --> 00:01:35,800 So the total amount of your claim 30 00:01:35,867 --> 00:01:39,233 is for our jurisdictional maximum of $10,000. 31 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:43,200 Mr. Jacobson, your defense says you had to quit the job 32 00:01:43,266 --> 00:01:45,600 {\an8}because you were threatened and harassed, 33 00:01:45,667 --> 00:01:47,767 {\an8}so you really don't owe her a refund of anything. 34 00:01:47,834 --> 00:01:49,200 {\an8}Yes, more or less. 35 00:01:49,266 --> 00:01:51,433 More or less? 36 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:53,934 Well, we'll get to what's more and we'll get to what's less. 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,767 Just out of curiosity, where did you come up with the name 38 00:01:56,834 --> 00:01:58,133 "Handsome Hammer"? 39 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,100 {\an8}Um, just kind of wordplay on a bunch of different things. 40 00:02:02,166 --> 00:02:05,200 {\an8}Doing kind of wordplay scramble and it sounded catchy. 41 00:02:05,266 --> 00:02:08,700 I was playing around with the name and I was working with a real estate agent 42 00:02:08,767 --> 00:02:10,700 and she said, "Hey, I like that name." 43 00:02:10,767 --> 00:02:11,767 So I went with it. 44 00:02:11,834 --> 00:02:14,333 So Ms. Herron, how do you find him, ma'am? 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,100 So, um, he was recommended by a friend from high school 46 00:02:18,166 --> 00:02:19,900 and I went with him 47 00:02:19,967 --> 00:02:22,767 because his design ideas were like in line with mine and... 48 00:02:22,834 --> 00:02:24,400 - You were really pleased. - Yes. Extremely. 49 00:02:24,467 --> 00:02:25,467 He said, "This is gonna work. 50 00:02:25,533 --> 00:02:27,533 - I'm so excited for my new bathroom." - Yes. Uh-hmm. 51 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,867 January 25th, the original contract price 52 00:02:30,934 --> 00:02:34,100 was $7,950. 53 00:02:34,166 --> 00:02:35,567 According to the contract, 54 00:02:35,633 --> 00:02:39,567 the deposit due was $3,975. 55 00:02:39,633 --> 00:02:43,433 Yet, I note that you paid $6,000 down. 56 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:45,000 - Yes, I did. - And you don't dispute 57 00:02:45,066 --> 00:02:47,266 - that you received $6,000 from her. - That's correct. 58 00:02:47,333 --> 00:02:49,734 {\an8}Why'd you give him so much extra money for the deposit? 59 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,834 {\an8}So he requested $6,000 60 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:54,500 {\an8}because he said he was short on some money 61 00:02:54,567 --> 00:02:58,900 that he was gonna put down for a truck for his business. 62 00:02:58,967 --> 00:03:02,000 So because he came highly recommended, 63 00:03:02,066 --> 00:03:05,467 I decided to go ahead and give them the extra money. 64 00:03:05,533 --> 00:03:07,700 Sir, when you took on this project, 65 00:03:07,767 --> 00:03:09,667 were you licensed and insured 66 00:03:09,734 --> 00:03:11,867 - as a contractor? - Um, I-- 67 00:03:11,934 --> 00:03:13,967 I'm not positive on that. 68 00:03:14,033 --> 00:03:15,367 - And I did... - I am. I'm positive. 69 00:03:15,433 --> 00:03:17,266 I know--I know I did get insurance. 70 00:03:17,333 --> 00:03:20,667 And you got the insurance after I believe your father 71 00:03:20,734 --> 00:03:21,934 had a sit-down with him. 72 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,033 And Dad said, "What's going on with this project?" 73 00:03:24,100 --> 00:03:26,100 - Yes. - But I'm getting ahead of myself. 74 00:03:26,166 --> 00:03:27,166 - So you signed... - Right. 75 00:03:27,233 --> 00:03:28,934 ... the contract the end of January. 76 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,767 Demo starts in February. 77 00:03:30,834 --> 00:03:32,567 Now here was an interesting fact. 78 00:03:32,633 --> 00:03:34,066 You had family members. 79 00:03:34,133 --> 00:03:37,300 I think your son and your significant other 80 00:03:37,367 --> 00:03:39,133 were helping him with the demo. 81 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,200 Why did you do that? 82 00:03:40,266 --> 00:03:43,934 I asked because I knew he didn't wanna do the demo at first. 83 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,233 Um, I couldn't find somebody that could, um, do the mold removal. 84 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:51,767 He said he was educated with that, knew what--how to do it 85 00:03:51,834 --> 00:03:54,300 without going throughout the house. 86 00:03:54,367 --> 00:03:58,834 My son said that he would help to minimize the amount that I had to pay him. 87 00:03:58,900 --> 00:03:59,900 - True, sir? - Yeah. 88 00:03:59,967 --> 00:04:01,433 She was cutting down the cost. 89 00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:03,800 I was helping her out by using family members 90 00:04:03,867 --> 00:04:06,000 {\an8}which I was not--did not want to do, 91 00:04:06,066 --> 00:04:08,367 {\an8}but I was trying to be helpful in the case. 92 00:04:08,433 --> 00:04:10,400 {\an8}He was supposed to work with my son, 93 00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:12,800 and it ended up he would instruct him what to do 94 00:04:12,867 --> 00:04:14,934 and he'd leave for the next job. 95 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,133 So he literally was never there. 96 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,800 Now, this is what would be helpful. 97 00:04:18,867 --> 00:04:22,500 Can we put up the picture of the plaintiff's bathroom 98 00:04:22,567 --> 00:04:24,533 before any work was done? 99 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,333 So you want a new bathtub, new backsplash. 100 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,533 And so the first thing to do is to have him 101 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,300 - demolish all of this. - Yes. 102 00:04:31,367 --> 00:04:32,934 So now, sir, tell me what you did. 103 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,066 So, we took out the walls. 104 00:04:35,133 --> 00:04:37,767 That's--so we started with the tile. There's tons of tile. 105 00:04:37,834 --> 00:04:40,000 You could see on the left side, that whole vanity, 106 00:04:40,066 --> 00:04:41,700 the whole counter, that all had to go. 107 00:04:41,767 --> 00:04:45,467 The subwall, the toilet, all the drywall on the side of the walls. 108 00:04:45,533 --> 00:04:48,500 As of what was left there, it was little scrapings 109 00:04:48,567 --> 00:04:51,400 and little stuff that take off and that's primarily what her son did. 110 00:04:51,467 --> 00:04:54,300 You don't have to be a licensed, you know, guy to do that. 111 00:04:54,367 --> 00:04:56,533 How much of the demo work was completed? 112 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,233 I know he removed the toilet and put it on my carpet. 113 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:02,266 That definitely is not the way to do it. 114 00:05:02,333 --> 00:05:03,667 It stained my carpet. 115 00:05:03,734 --> 00:05:06,400 {\an8}Then he's taking a wheelbarrow 116 00:05:06,467 --> 00:05:08,433 {\an8}through my house to get the debris out 117 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:11,200 when we discussed going out the window. 118 00:05:11,266 --> 00:05:15,133 This--like, it was not done anything like we discussed. 119 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,767 We put up exhibit for the plaintiff's floors. 120 00:05:17,834 --> 00:05:20,867 She just gave testimony about damage that we are seeing 121 00:05:20,934 --> 00:05:23,567 on the left side of the photograph, is that right, ma'am? 122 00:05:23,633 --> 00:05:28,166 Yes. So that's right to the left you see that frame. 123 00:05:28,233 --> 00:05:31,967 And that's like right where he was going in and out, 124 00:05:32,033 --> 00:05:34,166 and that's what it looked like before. 125 00:05:34,233 --> 00:05:35,633 Do you take responsibility for this? 126 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:36,800 Yeah. Yes, I do. I do. 127 00:05:36,867 --> 00:05:38,900 This is why I didn't wanna have her son working with me 128 00:05:38,967 --> 00:05:42,200 'cause a lot of those scratches happened over miscommunication 129 00:05:42,266 --> 00:05:43,900 what was supposed to be done, what was going on. 130 00:05:43,967 --> 00:05:45,266 There's a lot of stuff happening. 131 00:05:45,333 --> 00:05:47,400 These are only small aspects of the problem 132 00:05:47,467 --> 00:05:49,767 and really only a small aspect of your claim. 133 00:05:49,834 --> 00:05:51,400 - Right. - That original contract 134 00:05:51,467 --> 00:05:54,000 called for new tile, backsplash. 135 00:05:54,066 --> 00:05:55,567 Did any of those things happen? 136 00:05:55,633 --> 00:05:57,433 - No. - The critical point 137 00:05:57,500 --> 00:05:59,734 at this case were things seemed to have broken down 138 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,600 was somewhere around March. 139 00:06:01,667 --> 00:06:03,867 Now, in March, you're reaching out to him, 140 00:06:03,934 --> 00:06:05,567 asking him if he's gonna come back 141 00:06:05,633 --> 00:06:07,200 - and complete some work. - Right. 142 00:06:07,266 --> 00:06:09,000 And I know, sir, at one point, 143 00:06:09,066 --> 00:06:10,934 you told the plaintiff that you're in the hospital. 144 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,000 - You were having some... - Having asthma issues. 145 00:06:13,066 --> 00:06:15,934 I was in there for a couple days, didn't get an Albuterol. 146 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,100 {\an8}what they do is give me a treatment. 147 00:06:19,166 --> 00:06:20,300 {\an8}Right around Saint Patty's Day? 148 00:06:20,367 --> 00:06:22,400 {\an8}- Yup. Now, what I also note 149 00:06:22,467 --> 00:06:26,200 is that there's evidence in the record that right around Saint Patty's Day, 150 00:06:26,266 --> 00:06:29,934 you were hosting a party bus for a Saint Patty's Day party. 151 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,667 Yeah. That never happened, so... 152 00:06:31,734 --> 00:06:32,800 Is that right, ma'am? 153 00:06:32,867 --> 00:06:37,166 Well, when he didn't show up and, like, I was like, "Where is he?" 154 00:06:37,233 --> 00:06:38,734 So I just went on his Facebook 155 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,333 and I found that he had bought this party bus. 156 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,233 And I'm sure that's where my money went and he was working on this bus 157 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:49,066 while he was supposed to be at my house. 158 00:06:49,133 --> 00:06:51,467 I am going to stop right here 159 00:06:51,533 --> 00:06:54,166 because the party bus is a great place 160 00:06:54,233 --> 00:06:55,934 for me to turn the case to my colleagues. 161 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Judge? 162 00:06:57,066 --> 00:06:59,100 Uh, when I read the complaint 163 00:06:59,166 --> 00:07:02,066 {\an8}and you said that he needed money for a truck 164 00:07:02,133 --> 00:07:04,200 {\an8}and then I read further and I saw the evidence, 165 00:07:04,266 --> 00:07:06,033 I said, "Well, he really wasn't lying to you." 166 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:08,867 - Oh, yeah. Definitely. - He needed the money for his party truck. 167 00:07:08,934 --> 00:07:12,100 And I looked at the dates and I said, "He was hungover." 168 00:07:12,166 --> 00:07:13,433 - Yup. Uh-hmm. - He was hungover 169 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:14,667 - from Saint Patrick's Day. - No. 170 00:07:14,734 --> 00:07:15,867 - Partied a little too hard. - He had the-- 171 00:07:15,934 --> 00:07:17,767 you partied a little too hard. Yeah. 172 00:07:17,834 --> 00:07:20,033 - You couldn't do what you were promising. - So... 173 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:23,200 Why couldn't you come through with what you agreed to do? 174 00:07:23,266 --> 00:07:26,700 {\an8}So, basically what had happened was that after Saint Patty's Day, 175 00:07:26,767 --> 00:07:28,800 {\an8}she threatened me with legal action 176 00:07:28,867 --> 00:07:32,900 {\an8}and the cops, and a bunch of other things. 177 00:07:32,967 --> 00:07:35,433 And then there was other threats and I was in the hospital. 178 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:36,600 I don't know about the hospital 179 00:07:36,667 --> 00:07:39,567 because I didn't see any hospital records in here. 180 00:07:39,633 --> 00:07:41,367 I don't think I have to admit those, do I? 181 00:07:41,433 --> 00:07:43,000 You don't have to do anything 182 00:07:43,066 --> 00:07:46,867 that you don't feel you can prove other than by word of mouth. 183 00:07:46,934 --> 00:07:48,166 But we don't have 'em, so... 184 00:07:48,233 --> 00:07:49,934 I could--we could-- we could have done that. 185 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,400 - No. You know what? - It didn't cross my mind. 186 00:07:51,467 --> 00:07:52,800 I had to prove I was in the hospital. 187 00:07:52,867 --> 00:07:54,600 Listen, I'm just pointing out that, you know... 188 00:07:54,667 --> 00:07:56,367 - I get it. - ... if you wanted to show 189 00:07:56,433 --> 00:07:57,834 the bathroom that you finished, 190 00:07:57,900 --> 00:07:59,300 you might have a picture of that. 191 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,166 Coming up on Tribunal Justice... 192 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:05,500 Let's talk about this fake Facebook profile, 193 00:08:05,567 --> 00:08:07,000 because this guy looks just like you. 194 00:08:07,066 --> 00:08:08,400 People have all kinds of Facebooks. 195 00:08:08,467 --> 00:08:09,467 - We've been fake... - Yeah. 196 00:08:09,533 --> 00:08:10,967 And here's Calvin Kohlbeck 197 00:08:11,266 --> 00:08:13,800 who is recommending to everyone on their Facebook, 198 00:08:13,867 --> 00:08:17,567 "He did my floors fast, and everything looks fantastic." 199 00:08:17,633 --> 00:08:19,266 That's you recommending yourself! 200 00:08:19,333 --> 00:08:22,266 Because I did my own floors. 201 00:08:22,333 --> 00:08:24,266 That is freakin' laughable. 202 00:08:27,333 --> 00:08:29,400 {\an8} 203 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:30,934 {\an8}Homeowner Sheila Herron 204 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,700 {\an8}claims contractor Joshua Jacobson 205 00:08:33,767 --> 00:08:34,767 {\an8}took her money, 206 00:08:34,834 --> 00:08:36,800 started a bathroom remodel, 207 00:08:36,867 --> 00:08:40,567 then bought a party bus and never returned. 208 00:08:40,633 --> 00:08:42,834 Joshua says he was threatened, 209 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:45,734 harassed, and owes Sheila nothing. 210 00:08:46,367 --> 00:08:48,533 {\an8}I'm gonna say that the picture that you 211 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,200 {\an8}submitted kind of makes it look like it's a great floor, 212 00:08:51,266 --> 00:08:54,700 but how long was the last time before you had the floor sanded? 213 00:08:54,767 --> 00:08:56,166 {\an8}I had just finished it. 214 00:08:56,233 --> 00:08:59,300 {\an8}I just had it sanded and stained before he started working. 215 00:08:59,367 --> 00:09:01,100 She had just had her floors redo--yup. 216 00:09:01,166 --> 00:09:02,166 - It was? Okay. - Yes. 217 00:09:02,233 --> 00:09:04,233 Because there is also a receipt in here 218 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:07,800 for the floors which says $2,900 approximately. 219 00:09:07,867 --> 00:09:09,300 - Yeah. - By the way, 220 00:09:09,367 --> 00:09:10,967 he did do some work in the bathroom. 221 00:09:11,033 --> 00:09:12,567 Do we have pictures of that? 222 00:09:12,633 --> 00:09:13,667 Well, that's finished, but... 223 00:09:13,734 --> 00:09:14,734 Is that-- that's not what he did. 224 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,800 When he left, 'cause he couldn't find anybody to help him. 225 00:09:17,867 --> 00:09:20,867 But this is work that was done by the second contractor 226 00:09:20,934 --> 00:09:22,567 - that you hired. - Correct. Yes. 227 00:09:22,633 --> 00:09:24,800 You know, this is the problem I had when I was reading 228 00:09:24,867 --> 00:09:27,600 through the volumes of evidence that you both submitted. 229 00:09:27,667 --> 00:09:29,800 She relied on representations from you... 230 00:09:29,867 --> 00:09:31,266 - Uh-hmm. - ... about a list of things that 231 00:09:31,333 --> 00:09:33,500 {\an8}- you were going to do for a bathroom. Correct. 232 00:09:33,567 --> 00:09:35,934 {\an8}It was your main bathroom in the home, ma'am? 233 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,567 - Yes. - You had a second bathroom, 234 00:09:37,633 --> 00:09:38,734 however, in the basement? 235 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,700 In the basement but there was no shower. 236 00:09:40,767 --> 00:09:45,000 I literally had to go to my dad's house, to friends' houses, like, 237 00:09:45,066 --> 00:09:46,967 - we had to scramble and find... - You get that, right? 238 00:09:47,033 --> 00:09:48,834 - Yes, I do. - I mean, you know there was no shower... 239 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:50,333 - Yes, ma'am. - ... so you were there to see that. 240 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,767 We had other issues going on that we haven't even, 241 00:09:53,834 --> 00:09:55,900 you know, brought about in this. 242 00:09:55,967 --> 00:09:57,133 Well, you did do work. 243 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,533 You did do while you're doing . 244 00:09:58,600 --> 00:09:59,934 And I'm also the owner of this company. 245 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,667 I was--I don't have to do all the work. 246 00:10:01,734 --> 00:10:03,233 That's--we have to understand I think. 247 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:06,333 When you're the owner of a business, you have workers that work for you. 248 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,533 I had people quit, and that was the issue I was dealing with 249 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:10,667 that she had mentioned earlier. 250 00:10:10,734 --> 00:10:13,066 Are you a licensed contractor? 251 00:10:13,133 --> 00:10:14,900 Do you know what "licensed" means? 252 00:10:14,967 --> 00:10:16,333 Uh, well, why don't you tell me? 253 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,800 - Just in case. - "Licensed" really is not 254 00:10:17,867 --> 00:10:22,233 anything that's I don't think particularly means anything. 255 00:10:22,300 --> 00:10:25,266 I mean, it's not a real thing when you--when you tried to ask 256 00:10:25,333 --> 00:10:27,333 contractor, "Are you licensed?" 257 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,900 - Yes. - It doesn't-- 258 00:10:28,967 --> 00:10:30,967 it--it's not--it's not a-- I don't know how to... 259 00:10:31,033 --> 00:10:33,300 You are saying absolutely nothing. 260 00:10:33,367 --> 00:10:34,367 I'm gonna ask you something. 261 00:10:34,433 --> 00:10:35,633 - When you were in the hospital... - No, I am not a... 262 00:10:35,700 --> 00:10:37,100 ... did your doctor have a license? 263 00:10:37,166 --> 00:10:38,934 Because maybe it doesn't mean anything. 264 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,800 Maybe that's why you were there so long. 265 00:10:40,867 --> 00:10:42,834 I mean, would you want somebody who was not a doctor working on you? 266 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:45,567 No, it doesn't mean anything in the construction world 267 00:10:45,633 --> 00:10:47,567 to say you're licensed, honestly. 268 00:10:47,633 --> 00:10:49,467 Well, what it does mean is that somehow... 269 00:10:49,533 --> 00:10:52,000 It's just you throwing around words that make me look like 270 00:10:52,066 --> 00:10:53,066 I'm not professional. 271 00:10:53,133 --> 00:10:54,667 That's all it is. That's all it's happening right there. 272 00:10:54,734 --> 00:10:56,233 Well, I'm gonna tell you exactly what it means. 273 00:10:56,300 --> 00:10:58,300 {\an8}I am insured and I don't have to be a... 274 00:10:58,367 --> 00:11:00,333 {\an8}- You wouldn't... I don't have to be a general contractor 275 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,033 {\an8}to do any of this. That's what's you're asking. 276 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:04,033 {\an8}Is that you're asking if I have a general contractor's license? 277 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:06,600 I am asking, do you have any, 278 00:11:06,667 --> 00:11:10,600 for lack of a better word, even though it might be useless in your book, license? 279 00:11:10,667 --> 00:11:12,467 I was--I was in school for-- 280 00:11:12,533 --> 00:11:15,033 getting my general contractor's license at the time. 281 00:11:15,100 --> 00:11:17,467 I did not have a general contractor's license at the time. 282 00:11:17,533 --> 00:11:18,567 - Okay. So now... - And that's it. 283 00:11:18,633 --> 00:11:20,133 ... let me tell you. In some jurisdictions, 284 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,734 if you don't have a license and you don't get paid, you can't sue. 285 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,233 - Judge Levy? - Yeah. 286 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:27,900 So Mr. Jacobson, I just wanted to make sure 287 00:11:27,967 --> 00:11:29,300 that I understood you correctly. 288 00:11:29,367 --> 00:11:32,233 You said that it really doesn't mean anything 289 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:35,000 {\an8}not to have a license, a contractor's license. 290 00:11:35,066 --> 00:11:36,834 {\an8}No, I didn't say a contractor's license. 291 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:40,934 That's--I was--I was basically talking about something 292 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,433 - completely different than what... - Okay. Okay. 293 00:11:43,500 --> 00:11:44,867 So let me start fresh. 294 00:11:44,934 --> 00:11:46,900 You know it's a felony. 295 00:11:46,967 --> 00:11:50,333 You go to prison where you live in Wisconsin 296 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,900 if you take money from a homeowner to do contracting work 297 00:11:54,967 --> 00:11:57,967 and don't put their money in a separate account 298 00:11:58,033 --> 00:12:01,900 and spend it on anything else except for their job. 299 00:12:01,967 --> 00:12:04,300 You know it's a felony to do that, right? 300 00:12:04,367 --> 00:12:06,834 - How about that for a direct question? - No. 301 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:09,000 What? You don't know it's a felony? 302 00:12:09,066 --> 00:12:10,467 - I just... - You spent time with this... 303 00:12:10,533 --> 00:12:11,533 - I just left a court case... - You spent time... 304 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,934 ... that I was dismissed. There would have been a felony there. 305 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,200 Oh, no, no, no. We're gonna get into that. 306 00:12:15,266 --> 00:12:17,200 Because that's what this lawsuit's all about. 307 00:12:17,266 --> 00:12:19,867 Whether or not you committed a felony 308 00:12:19,934 --> 00:12:22,467 and just were lucky enough 309 00:12:22,533 --> 00:12:25,400 to have some lazy assistant DA 310 00:12:25,467 --> 00:12:30,166 who didn't wanna take the time or effort to go through her material 311 00:12:30,233 --> 00:12:32,367 - because he or she, because--well... - That is baloney, man. 312 00:12:32,433 --> 00:12:34,600 - They brought this to me three times. - Hold on, hold on. 313 00:12:34,667 --> 00:12:38,133 February 23rd, 2023. 314 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,367 Prosecuting attorney. 315 00:12:39,433 --> 00:12:40,800 This is all public record. 316 00:12:40,867 --> 00:12:43,333 Get it right online in the great state of Wisconsin. 317 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,567 Defendant advised that court reviewed the complaint 318 00:12:47,633 --> 00:12:50,133 and found probable cause. 319 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,600 Because you took $6,000 of her money 320 00:12:53,667 --> 00:12:56,266 and you did not put it into a segregated account. 321 00:12:56,333 --> 00:12:57,934 - And because she had... - Who she had--how do you know 322 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,033 I did not have it in an account? 323 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:00,233 Where is that coming from? 324 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:01,700 - Do you have proof of it? - Did you--okay. Great. 325 00:13:01,767 --> 00:13:03,100 - Show me proof that you have it... - I don't have to. 326 00:13:03,166 --> 00:13:04,767 That's--what? 327 00:13:04,834 --> 00:13:07,033 You don't--okay. So listen, Mr. Jacobson. 328 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:08,433 This ain't my first rodeo. 329 00:13:08,500 --> 00:13:12,567 I've dealt with scammers, criminals, liars, manipulators, fabricators. 330 00:13:12,633 --> 00:13:14,233 I prosecuted these cases. 331 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:17,633 - $6,000, you paid them, right? - Yes. 332 00:13:17,700 --> 00:13:20,367 Did she send it to your business account or your personal account? 333 00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:22,467 - I don't--I'm not gonna answer... - Boom. 334 00:13:22,533 --> 00:13:24,066 - ... your questions. - Joshua Jacobson. 335 00:13:24,133 --> 00:13:25,333 Joshua Jacobson. 336 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,233 That's not your business account, is it, sir? 337 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:30,600 {\an8}- No. This guy is a scammer to the... I'm not a scammer. 338 00:13:30,667 --> 00:13:33,433 {\an8}This guy's a scammer every day and twice on Sunday. 339 00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:35,934 {\an8}And he took that money and he was supposed to do what? 340 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,300 Buy materials with it? 341 00:13:37,367 --> 00:13:38,667 - Yeah. Well... - No. If you could read the-- 342 00:13:38,734 --> 00:13:41,100 if you read the invoice, she's responsible for materials. 343 00:13:41,166 --> 00:13:42,767 She is. Wait, wait, wait. 344 00:13:42,834 --> 00:13:45,166 You were collecting receipts for the materials 345 00:13:45,233 --> 00:13:46,834 that you were spending on the job. 346 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:50,233 You were gonna give her those receipts and she was going to reimburse you, right? 347 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:51,400 - Yes. - Great. 348 00:13:51,467 --> 00:13:57,266 And that is what you actually told the police officers July 14th, 2021. 349 00:13:57,333 --> 00:14:00,967 Jacobson sent an itemized list for the materials used on the job 350 00:14:01,033 --> 00:14:03,967 which cost $2,489.50. 351 00:14:04,033 --> 00:14:08,900 Jacobson stated he purchased most of the materials in cash 352 00:14:08,967 --> 00:14:12,100 and did not have receipts any longer. 353 00:14:12,166 --> 00:14:13,600 Explain that to me. 354 00:14:13,667 --> 00:14:14,667 - Knowing... - I have no problem explaining it to you. 355 00:14:14,734 --> 00:14:18,633 Wait a minute. Knowing that you have to provide her with receipts 356 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:21,300 in order to get reimbursed, which you just said. 357 00:14:21,367 --> 00:14:25,066 But yet when the police say to you, where are the receipts? 358 00:14:25,133 --> 00:14:26,967 All of a sudden, you don't got them. 359 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:28,200 You paid cash. 360 00:14:28,266 --> 00:14:31,000 And for you to say that the DA's office and the judge dismissed 361 00:14:31,066 --> 00:14:35,633 the case because you were innocent, that is 100% inconsistent 362 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:39,333 with the file jacket from the court that you were there with. 363 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,100 Then why was it dismissed three times? 364 00:14:41,166 --> 00:14:43,233 I'm telling you exactly why it's dismissed. 365 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:46,900 They got DUIs. They got drugs. They got domestic cases. 366 00:14:46,967 --> 00:14:49,233 They get burglaries, robberies, murder cases. 367 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:50,767 Well, you can't just say this is all happening. 368 00:14:50,834 --> 00:14:51,934 Yeah. I know exactly what happened. 369 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,000 - You're a bunch of baloney, man. - You know what? 370 00:14:53,066 --> 00:14:55,133 Let's talk about this fake Facebook profile. 371 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,900 Who's Calvin Kohlbeck? 372 00:14:57,967 --> 00:14:59,233 Who is that, sir? 373 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:00,867 {\an8}Calvin Kohlbeck. Who's that? 374 00:15:00,934 --> 00:15:02,400 {\an8}Because this guy looks just like you. 375 00:15:02,467 --> 00:15:04,000 {\an8}- Yeah. You did that? 376 00:15:04,066 --> 00:15:05,967 {\an8}I--people have all kinds of Facebooks. 377 00:15:06,033 --> 00:15:07,433 {\an8}- What do you mean fake profile? Yeah, of course. Of course. 378 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:09,133 {\an8}- Why is it fake profile? That's what they do. 379 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,800 And here's Calvin Kohlbeck, who is recommending to everyone 380 00:15:12,867 --> 00:15:15,900 {\an8}on the Facebook, "He did my floors. 381 00:15:15,967 --> 00:15:18,066 {\an8}Custom Glacier white. 382 00:15:18,133 --> 00:15:20,367 Fast and everything looks fantastic." 383 00:15:20,433 --> 00:15:23,367 - That's you recommending yourself. - Because I did my own floors. 384 00:15:26,934 --> 00:15:28,166 That is freaking laughable. 385 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,166 Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 386 00:15:32,233 --> 00:15:33,867 Tell me about that. What was that all about, mister? 387 00:15:33,934 --> 00:15:34,934 - I didn't do anything for... - I didn't. 388 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,233 - ... St. Paddy's Day. - Nothing ever happened. 389 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:38,800 This is your real account, Joshua Jacobson. 390 00:15:38,867 --> 00:15:42,900 And it begins, building the party animal. 391 00:15:42,967 --> 00:15:44,834 Building the party bus. 392 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:46,100 Where'd you get the money for that? 393 00:15:49,133 --> 00:15:51,166 {\an8} 394 00:15:51,233 --> 00:15:55,667 {\an8}Sheila Herron hired Handsome Hammer, Joshua Jacobson, 395 00:15:55,734 --> 00:15:57,467 to remodel her bathroom. 396 00:15:57,533 --> 00:16:02,166 She claims he took her money and never returned to finish the job. 397 00:16:02,233 --> 00:16:05,367 Joshua claims Sheila posted threats online, 398 00:16:05,433 --> 00:16:07,533 so he owes her nothing. 399 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,834 So getting back though to your St. Paddy's Day bus. 400 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:12,800 {\an8}March 7th, roll call. 401 00:16:12,867 --> 00:16:15,066 {\an8}This is you now. This is your real account. 402 00:16:15,133 --> 00:16:16,767 {\an8}Joshua Jacobson. March 7th. 403 00:16:16,834 --> 00:16:21,200 {\an8}"I have 15 spots on the party animal shuttle for St. Paddy's. 404 00:16:21,266 --> 00:16:23,633 {\an8}Includes coolers for ice and beverages." 405 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:25,400 {\an8}Tell me about that. What was that all about, 406 00:16:25,467 --> 00:16:26,934 {\an8}Mr. "I didn't do anything for St. Paddy's Day." 407 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,700 - Tell me about that. - I didn't. Nothing ever happened. 408 00:16:28,767 --> 00:16:30,367 It was just an idea. 409 00:16:30,433 --> 00:16:32,333 {\an8}Dead to rights. 410 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,367 {\an8}Joshua Jacobson, March 10th. 411 00:16:34,433 --> 00:16:38,834 {\an8}And it begins, building the party animal. 412 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:40,934 Building the party bus. 413 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,300 Where'd you get the money for that? 414 00:16:43,867 --> 00:16:44,867 Done. 415 00:16:44,934 --> 00:16:46,400 I'm done. I got nothing further. 416 00:16:46,467 --> 00:16:47,834 I got you dead to rights. 417 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:49,200 I have a few questions. 418 00:16:49,266 --> 00:16:52,400 Part of your defense is that you had to quit 419 00:16:52,467 --> 00:16:54,734 in order to protect your mental health. 420 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,667 {\an8}And that's where all of this sort of started this spiral, 421 00:16:57,734 --> 00:16:59,300 {\an8}because she wanted money back 422 00:16:59,367 --> 00:17:02,233 and then you also have made this court aware 423 00:17:02,300 --> 00:17:04,433 of threats made either by her 424 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:07,233 or those working on her behalf or at her behest. 425 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:08,734 Would you like to explain? 426 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:09,800 Um, yeah. 427 00:17:09,867 --> 00:17:13,567 {\an8}The original post about me that was basically lies, 428 00:17:13,633 --> 00:17:14,633 {\an8}said I never showed up. 429 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,600 {\an8}That I took her money. I'm a thief. I'm a crook. 430 00:17:16,667 --> 00:17:20,967 That then turned into all kinds of people biting in and sharing it 431 00:17:21,033 --> 00:17:24,033 obviously and affecting my business, my family life. 432 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:25,100 - And then... - When did you become 433 00:17:25,166 --> 00:17:26,400 aware of the Facebook post? 434 00:17:26,467 --> 00:17:28,767 Uh, my girlfriend at the time showed it to me. 435 00:17:28,834 --> 00:17:31,166 So Ms. Herron, here's what you said, 436 00:17:31,233 --> 00:17:33,100 "I hired Joshua Jacobson, 437 00:17:33,166 --> 00:17:36,166 Handsome Hammer, to renovate my bathroom 438 00:17:36,233 --> 00:17:39,266 and he took $6,000 as a down payment 439 00:17:39,333 --> 00:17:41,633 and never did any of the work 440 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:44,734 and decided to bail on me and keep my money. 441 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,467 He is a thief. 442 00:17:46,533 --> 00:17:50,867 Please share and spread the word so no one else has to go through this." 443 00:17:50,934 --> 00:17:52,700 And then some other people are asking you, 444 00:17:52,767 --> 00:17:54,967 "Do you know where he lives or hangs out? 445 00:17:55,033 --> 00:17:56,567 I'm gonna come find him." 446 00:17:56,633 --> 00:17:58,667 Didn't I see a threat that was actually directed toward you? 447 00:17:58,734 --> 00:18:01,834 He put a review on my Facebook page, um, 448 00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:05,734 that said, um, "You are a crook and we will meet." 449 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,333 Did anybody ever contact you or engage with you personally or... 450 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,400 - Yes. - ... just online? 451 00:18:11,467 --> 00:18:15,166 {\an8}Yes. I did have some issues with, um, some, uh, 452 00:18:15,233 --> 00:18:16,734 {\an8}drive-bys around the house. 453 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,266 I did receive some, um, damage to my vehicle. 454 00:18:21,333 --> 00:18:23,000 There's some key marks. 455 00:18:23,066 --> 00:18:25,600 Some, uh--just some dents that just weren't there. 456 00:18:25,667 --> 00:18:28,100 Well, wait. There is nothing to connect 457 00:18:28,166 --> 00:18:31,333 the plaintiff or anyone acting on her behalf 458 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:32,567 to the damage to your car. 459 00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:33,700 - Is that your testimony? - I never looked-- 460 00:18:33,767 --> 00:18:35,133 I never--I never--I just assumed. 461 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,000 I never really looked into it, uh, as of that. 462 00:18:38,066 --> 00:18:39,533 Okay. Thank you both. 463 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,600 Okay. Then we're gonna retire to deliberate. 464 00:18:41,667 --> 00:18:43,834 Court now stands in recess. 465 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:45,367 This case will be recalled. 466 00:18:49,633 --> 00:18:51,533 So she's suing for $10,000. 467 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,133 I think there are parts of the claim that we can dispose of easily. 468 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,433 He admits the damage to the floor. 469 00:18:57,500 --> 00:19:02,300 He admits to damaging the carpet by putting the toilet on the carpet. 470 00:19:02,367 --> 00:19:05,266 That certainly is gonna make that carpet most unusable. 471 00:19:05,333 --> 00:19:08,400 And look, not only did he not substantially complete, 472 00:19:08,467 --> 00:19:12,233 he didn't do most of what was on that original invoice. 473 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:15,000 I'd give her everything absent the emotional distress. 474 00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:17,200 I think she got her venting on Facebook. 475 00:19:17,266 --> 00:19:18,266 I mean, he did do something. 476 00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:20,533 You wanna not accredit that with anything? 477 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,233 He's not given us any evidence whatsoever of anything that he did. 478 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,700 In fact, she was actually generous by I think making some concessions. 479 00:19:28,767 --> 00:19:30,567 I think there's no substantial completion here. 480 00:19:30,633 --> 00:19:32,633 I wasn't looking for substantial completion. 481 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:36,000 But I was wondering if to some extent when she had the new carpenter come in, 482 00:19:36,066 --> 00:19:39,400 there was some benefit that she gained from that like an almost 483 00:19:39,467 --> 00:19:41,734 on the form of unjust enrichment. I don't know. 484 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,066 I--he was doing a lot of talking in circles, 485 00:19:44,133 --> 00:19:45,900 so I really had a hard time with what he was doing... 486 00:19:45,967 --> 00:19:47,033 You mean when he was talking about the license thingy... 487 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:48,400 - Yeah. - ... which is not a thing? 488 00:19:48,467 --> 00:19:49,700 We shouldn't just call a license a thingy. 489 00:19:49,767 --> 00:19:51,100 - No, that's not a thingy. - I mean, I don't-- 490 00:19:51,166 --> 00:19:52,166 he didn't know how to explain it. 491 00:19:52,233 --> 00:19:53,233 You see, you didn't give him a chance. 492 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:55,400 He could not figure out how to explain that. 493 00:19:55,467 --> 00:19:57,300 $10,000 is fine. She gets it back. 494 00:19:57,367 --> 00:19:59,400 I agree. What really set this apart 495 00:19:59,467 --> 00:20:01,834 from my perspective is one of the first things 496 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:05,200 that he was asked by you was whether or not he was licensed. 497 00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:06,400 And his answer was not sure. 498 00:20:06,467 --> 00:20:10,533 Well, he very clearly told the police he was not. 499 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,133 That's all in the police report. 500 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,233 Then the issue came up about, one of you said, 501 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:17,900 "It looks like everything kind of really broke down in March." 502 00:20:17,967 --> 00:20:20,867 And he says, "Yeah. That was when I was having my asthma issues." 503 00:20:20,934 --> 00:20:22,400 And then she goes on about, "No. 504 00:20:22,467 --> 00:20:24,133 This was the St. Paddy's Day bus." 505 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,500 Quote by him, "Never happened." 506 00:20:27,567 --> 00:20:32,000 He just didn't know that she provided us with those Facebook posts. 507 00:20:32,066 --> 00:20:36,166 I mean, he creates a fake Facebook post and then uses 508 00:20:36,233 --> 00:20:38,934 - that fake name to give a good... - Ratings. 509 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,834 ... uh, rating to himself. To himself. 510 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:43,100 the Handsome Hammer. 511 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,166 To himself. 512 00:20:44,233 --> 00:20:45,633 I can laugh about it. 513 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:49,500 But for a homeowner who has to scrounge together $6,000 514 00:20:49,567 --> 00:20:52,767 to have a bathroom for herself and her kids, and it's weeks, 515 00:20:52,834 --> 00:20:55,633 weeks before she can use her own bathroom, 516 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:57,700 she's trying to get help from the guy who's blowing her off, 517 00:20:57,767 --> 00:20:59,667 lies about the hospital. 518 00:20:59,734 --> 00:21:01,567 Right? Why should I bring in my hospital bills? 519 00:21:01,633 --> 00:21:02,633 Well, listen, moron. 520 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:05,500 The reason you should have brought your hospital bills in is because you know 521 00:21:05,567 --> 00:21:07,600 she's making a claim that you lied about those hospital bills. 522 00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:09,767 He's just outright lying. 523 00:21:09,834 --> 00:21:11,367 Unfortunately, it happens to too many people. 524 00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:13,533 But everything she asked for, I'd be in favor of giving her. 525 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,200 You know, Adam, you reminded me of that police report. 526 00:21:17,266 --> 00:21:20,100 And I think it's pretty unconscionable to just create 527 00:21:20,166 --> 00:21:21,967 an entirely false narrative. 528 00:21:22,033 --> 00:21:24,266 I mean, you know, you're giving a false statement to the police. 529 00:21:24,333 --> 00:21:27,533 That's not the reason that he wasn't able to do the work. 530 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,200 And I think perhaps I might be even talked into that emotional 531 00:21:31,266 --> 00:21:34,734 distress recovery simply because she then had to fight this false 532 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,934 narrative that he was creating with law enforcement. 533 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,500 I think we're at $10,000. 534 00:21:38,567 --> 00:21:40,166 And I'm never a fan of giving emotional distress. 535 00:21:40,567 --> 00:21:44,000 But there was something amiss about him that I can't put my finger on 536 00:21:44,066 --> 00:21:45,567 that makes me uncomfortable about him. 537 00:21:45,633 --> 00:21:49,233 Maybe it's that you don't really have your head around what a license means. 538 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:50,533 - I'm struggling... - Because it's just a little thingy. 539 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,100 I'm struggling with that still. Thank you. 540 00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:58,266 Court is back in session. 541 00:21:58,333 --> 00:22:00,100 Parties are reminded you're still under oath. 542 00:22:00,166 --> 00:22:01,667 - Thank you, Byrd. - Uh-hmm. 543 00:22:01,734 --> 00:22:05,333 We have deliberated and we've reached a unanimous verdict. 544 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,333 So I'm gonna start with this, which is where I ended with you. 545 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,300 Did not like that Facebook post. 546 00:22:11,367 --> 00:22:12,767 Not one bit. 547 00:22:12,834 --> 00:22:16,767 However, Mr. Jacobson, did not like the fact 548 00:22:16,834 --> 00:22:19,633 that you gave a completely false statement 549 00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:21,934 to the police about why you walked off the job. 550 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,633 It wasn't because she didn't pay for materials. 551 00:22:24,033 --> 00:22:25,500 There were other things going on. 552 00:22:25,567 --> 00:22:27,934 I think that that's something that we see far too much of. 553 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,467 You know, people just play fast and loose with what they can say 554 00:22:31,533 --> 00:22:33,867 on social media and what they say to law enforcement. 555 00:22:33,934 --> 00:22:37,800 That being said, we have reached a unanimous verdict. 556 00:22:37,867 --> 00:22:40,567 And as we see it, she didn't get what she paid for. 557 00:22:40,633 --> 00:22:41,967 She barely got anything. 558 00:22:42,033 --> 00:22:44,667 And it's for that reason, ma'am, that we are awarding you 559 00:22:44,734 --> 00:22:47,166 the full $10,000 that you've requested. 560 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:49,500 So that is the verdict of this court. 561 00:22:49,567 --> 00:22:51,533 Good luck to you and good luck to you, sir. 562 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,066 {\an8}Thank you for bringing your matter here. 563 00:22:53,133 --> 00:22:54,133 {\an8} 564 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,433 {\an8}This case is now concluded. 565 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:56,600 {\an8}Parties are excused. 566 00:22:56,667 --> 00:22:57,667 You may step out. 567 00:23:00,767 --> 00:23:02,900 {\an8}I've learned a lot to look into people. 568 00:23:02,967 --> 00:23:03,900 {\an8}I'm not a crook. 569 00:23:03,967 --> 00:23:06,967 {\an8}To not take other people's word for it. 570 00:23:07,033 --> 00:23:08,700 {\an8}Um, I've never lied to the cops. 571 00:23:08,767 --> 00:23:13,133 {\an8}Not, uh, post on social media about stuff like this. 572 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,900 {\an8}Oh, yeah, no, she did hit below the belt. 573 00:23:14,967 --> 00:23:16,734 {\an8}Glad to put this behind me. 574 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,867 {\an8}Handsome Hammer keeps staying alive hopefully. 575 00:23:18,934 --> 00:23:22,867 {\an8}No, no, I will not be working with the Handsome Hammer ever again. 576 00:23:22,934 --> 00:23:25,033 {\an8}I'm just ready to keep on rocking. 577 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:27,467 {\an8}Did someone break an agreement? 578 00:23:27,533 --> 00:23:30,834 {\an8}Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 579 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:33,533 {\an8}Find us on social media. 580 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,600 {\an8}