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You were supposed to accept another woman?

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He told me to trust him and that
she could be a good addition to our life.

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I was hoping that the other girl
would come in

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and then eventually like each other.

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Ohh, so you were thinking of her.

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He's a liar and a cheater,
and you are a sucker.

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[narrator]
Today, on Tribunal Justice...

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This case was filed
in Santa Ana, California.

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Your Honor, this is case #1106
on the calendar

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in the matter of Larson vs. Glass.

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Parties have been sworn in.
You may be seated.

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Thank you, Byrd.
Okay, Ms. Larson and Mr. Glass,

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the both of you were in a four year
open relationship.

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You brought other couples
into your relationship.

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And about a year into the relationship,
he asked you

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to put his name on your credit card,
and you did.

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Then, the time came when he
actually wanted to add a girl

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into the relationship and
you would be polyamorous.

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You said that you did all this
because you loved him.

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You know, most people would just dye
their hair red, or something, for love,

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but this is a bit much.
And anyway, about a month after that,

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the three of you
all took a vacation together.

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You were not happy, you were
always arguing with the other girl.

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He promised that he would
end the relationship with her.

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You said that you left. It took him
two weeks to, I guess, get rid of her.

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And during that time,
he was paying to keep her in a hotel

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using your credit card.
He did promise to pay the charges off.

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At the end of July,
he asked to borrow $4,000.

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He said he was
going on a business trip in Iowa.

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You were pretty sure that he was
spending that time with the other girl.

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And in August, you noticed on the
credit card that nothing had been paid.

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By then you'd had enough and you said

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that you weren't going
to stay around together with him.

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Then, at one in the morning, you started
banging on the door at the house

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demanding your things.
The police were called.

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And the next day,
you filed for an Order of Protection.

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Thereafter, he said to you,
if you drop that lawsuit,

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then he would pay you back
the $4,000 he borrowed,

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he would pay off his share
of the credit card bill,

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he would let you keep the dog.
But he continued to lie about that

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And so, you reinstituted the lawsuit
and here you are,

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seeking $10,000 to recoup that money.
Mr. Glass,

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you say that the threesome thing
was not working out.

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It usually doesn't.
Then, you learned that she was suing you,

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and you promised to let her keep the dog,
pay off your share of the credit card,

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give her back the $4,000. Months went by,

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you said you didn't hear
anything from her.

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And the next thing you know,
she's suing you, and here you are.

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- Yes, ma'am.
- So, how did the two of you meet?

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We met through online dating.
It was going pretty well.

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I mean, we were starting to build
a future together.

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We had so much...

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Are you all there? You were
building a future with other people?

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Do you know anybody that's
ever been in a polyamorous relationship?

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[Jennifer]
We didn't start that way. It started...

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But you started bringing in people.
I mean, right?

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That was more occasional.
It wasn't like somebody

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that was just brought in to live with us.
To be in day in and day out.

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That was a total different scenario.

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The other people were for fun. This one,
we were gonna try something more serious.

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Okay. Tell me about what would possess you
to give him $10,000

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and expect you were gonna get it back?

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We were engaged, and he was always,
usually really good about paying me back.

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Or paying the credit card bill.
But then, in this last few months,

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everything just kinda went wrong.
I was trying to make it work.

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- I was trying to trust him...
- How does one make a relationship

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with two to three other people in it,
work?

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- I was just trying to make it work...
- How?

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[Jennifer] Because I loved him.
I was trying to give it a chance.

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I thought maybe it might work out.

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How was it supposed to work out?

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That you were supposed to
accept another woman?

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At the time, I had a different idea
about it, and we thought

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that maybe it might work,
give it more opportunity,

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a chance, go on a trip.
But it got worse.

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What made it get worse?

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I was fighting with the other girl all the
time. She was not treating my dog, Honey,

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very well, and I didn't like that.
She was very disrespectful.

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Had you met her before
she was brought into the relationship?

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No. He told me to trust him and that
she could be a good addition to our life.

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I need to pause you here.
How was this gonna be a good addition?

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You want my honesty?

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No. You know what, lie
and I'll just be so happy with you.

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Well, I'm just prefacing
that I'm being honest.

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I thought Jennifer works a lot.
I was hoping that the other girl

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would come in and help with the housework,
help with the cleaning.

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It would also give Jennifer a friend.

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What, you don't have friends?
Do you not have friends?

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Of course, I have friends.

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I don't know of course.
You have a maid?

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Because the other girl sounds like a maid.

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It would've been perfect if
she would've worked out, yeah.

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- Well...
- [audience laughs]

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Why didn't you just hire a maid
to come in periodically?

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'Cause you can't have sex with a maid.

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This is about you.
I'm not sure why she doesn't see that.

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But this is about you, you know,
wanting to sleep with the maid.

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Her and the maid, together.

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Oh, so you were thinking of her.
I can see why you love him.

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Your Honor, I would like to add
that I have mentioned to him

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that I was bothered with this.
He was just trying to convince me,

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give it more time, keep on going on.
I was...

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What were you hoping was gonna happen
in more time, sir?

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That they would bond and
eventually like each other.

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That the initial struggle for power
would end, you know.

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And one of 'em would be in power...

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It must have felt good
to have these two women.

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[James] It was terrible. One of
the worst situations I've been through.

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So, let me ask you this,
What do you do for a living?

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I work for our family company. We own
a company that makes candles and soaps...

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Things are just so slow,
they can't afford to employ me right now.

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- [Patricia] What do you do?
- At the moment I'm a student,

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- and I'm a nanny.
- What's your major?

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I want to be a teacher.

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So, you give him $4,000 when
coincidentally, he's going to Iowa,

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- where she lives. And you know that.
- [Jennifer] Yes.

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Why would you give him $4,000?
Because I need to decide

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when you gave him this money,
did you expect

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that he was going to repay you
the $4,000?

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He confirmed that once he got
his next paychecks, they would be mine.

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So I could pay...
He would pay me back that way.

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Were you gonna pay her back?
What'd you do with that money?

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I gambled it.

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Did you make any effort to pay?

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Zero.

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So, you never had an intention
to pay her back.

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I had a plan to pay her back
the entire time, except she blocked me.

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She cut off all communication. She
made no way for me to even contact her.

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[Patricia]
You know where she lives?

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I do.

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Why don't you just mail her a money order
or a check?

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You're like a sociopath. You have
no remorse. I can see it in your face.

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There's no remorse.
There's no nothing.

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And what about the hotel for...
Let's call her number three.

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What about number three?
The hotel room?

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That part, I didn't understand that
he was putting her up in a hotel.

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Where do you think she went?

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I thought that she was
staying with friends...

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Oh, she has friends, apparently you don't.
According to him.

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How much was the hotel bill
for number three?

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About $1,200, for that one alone.

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Well, he didn't put her up in a high-class
spot. You can feel good about that.

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Well, she racked up hotel charges by
going through the pantry. And then, she...

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You're blaming her,
but meanwhile it's him.

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What man who loves a woman wants to be
with another person, too?

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Your Honor, I realized it,
being away from him for the time being,

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that I realized what he did to me
was wrong.

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And he lied from the beginning about her.
He told me that my best friend

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knew her, they were friends.
And they went up to Oregon to his mom's.

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And he hid her away from me.

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And he talked to her way before
she even came up there.

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And I never knew anything about...

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He's a liar and a cheater
who has done this in open view.

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And you are a sucker.
But at some point,

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you have an Order of Protection
against him.

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[Jennifer]
Yes.

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- [Patricia] And you filed a lawsuit.
- [Jennifer] I did.

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- I have two orders in my file.
- I understand.

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You submitted the one
that said without prejudice.

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You submitted the one
that said with prejudice.

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If it's dismissed without prejudice,
you could relitigate the issue.

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If it's dismissed with prejudice,
you can't. What's the deal?

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Your Honor, I have the one right here
that was a dismissal to get my stuff.

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Mine is marked without prejudice,
so I can sue again.

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- And then, apparently...
- Why is there a second one?

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The guy I was with, he was
helping me move, and he changed it.

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He photocopied it, I believe...

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And they tricked me. They tricked me
into thinking they couldn't re-sue me.

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Right. In order for her to get her stuff
from my place.

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Oh, okay. I mean, I don't always think
sometimes tricking is bad.

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She dismissed it,
on the representation from you,

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that you were going to give her back
her things that you kept in storage.

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That you were going to repay her $4,000
and split the credit card.

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You have done none of those things.
So, you're gonna look down on her

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for trying to trick you to get you
to do what you promised to do.

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No, I'm not looking down on anybody.
I mean, that's pretty smart.

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You're a loser. Judge Levy.

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You both understand that if this case
was dismissed with prejudice,

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then there's no reason for us to be here

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because the case was already resolved,
no right to refile. You understand that.

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I do, yes.

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Okay. And you obviously understand that
if it was dismissed without prejudice,

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that you are able to come back to court
if he fails to comply

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with whatever the agreement was.
And so, September 16th,

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you go to court and you say, in essence,
that I'm seeking thousands of dollars

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from him from a loan and
from credit card bills.

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And he's made an agreement with me
to pay those back,

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and whatever else was agreed to
as far as the property goes.

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That I'm willing to dismiss this
small claims case I have against him,

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but I want it done without prejudice,
just in case

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he doesn't do what he says he's gonna do,
then I can refile.

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Yes.

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- [Adam] Do you understand that, sir?
- I do.

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You did not repay the $4,000 loan,
nor did you pay those credit card bills.

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Yes, sir.

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So, when you provided us
with that dismissal with prejudice,

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what you're basically asking us to do
is to stop this proceeding

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and send the Plaintiff home,
and say you've already had

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your one bite of the apple.
You can't come here and get a second.

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- Right?
- I understand, yes.

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But how do you do that
when you haven't lived up

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to your end of the bargain
with respect to paying back the loan?

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I haven't had an opportunity to.
This document is edited and it's no good.

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This is not what was submitted
to the court.

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This is what was submitted to me
in order to trick me.

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So, I didn't know that at the time.
Bring the document, it's pointless.

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So, this is the docket, which is called
a file jacket from the court.

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It indicates each date that the court
took some type of action

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and what that action was.
Took the liberty of getting this

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based upon
these conflicting dismissal orders.

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And what this says,
is on September 16th, 2022,

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there was a request for dismissal
without prejudice.

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And they were able to do that
because you did not have a counterclaim.

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It had nothing to do with anyone
who was changing the document,

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falsifying the document, nothing.

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Yes, sir, I understand.

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Good, let's back up a little.
Because what you said was

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you guys dated for four years,
two of those years you were engaged.

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So, you were engaged up until that
unfortunate incident in August of 2022.

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- Yes.
- January of 2022, where was he living?

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With me, partially.

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[Adam]
Was his things in the apartment?

223
00:11:50,967 --> 00:11:55,000
Only a few items, like his computer,
his work-out equipment,

224
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maybe some clothes. He would be staying
with me for a certain amount of time,

225
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then he would go up to Oregon and be with
his family and his business up there.

226
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And when he came back from his family
and his business up there,

227
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where he called home,
where he got mail,

228
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was in the place that you two shared
as fiances?

229
00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:16,767
He had another residence in Riverside
at his grandmother's.

230
00:12:16,834 --> 00:12:18,934
So, his mail was actually
being sent there.

231
00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,667
Where was your license?

232
00:12:20,734 --> 00:12:22,333
In the Riverside address, sir.

233
00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,400
So, your license was not
in the address there?

234
00:12:24,467 --> 00:12:25,667
- [James] No, sir.
- Okay.

235
00:12:25,734 --> 00:12:29,000
Did he do any business out of the home
or was it used as a flop house?

236
00:12:29,066 --> 00:12:32,300
He just pretty much stayed there
to help me out with Honey,

237
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and be there, you know,
for a certain amount of time,

238
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and then he would have to go off
and be gone for awhile.

239
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Let's talk about Honey.
'Cause my sense is,

240
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from looking at your complaint
and your answer,

241
00:12:41,433 --> 00:12:43,900
that's what was really important to you
at the very end.

242
00:12:43,967 --> 00:12:46,066
Who was gonna get custody of Honey,
is that right?

243
00:12:46,133 --> 00:12:48,133
- Yes, very important.
- [Adam] And you, sir?

244
00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,600
I... Honey is more important to Jennifer,
I'll be honest with you.

245
00:12:51,667 --> 00:12:53,800
And you were afraid, however,
of losing Honey.

246
00:12:53,867 --> 00:12:56,266
Yes, because I pretty much
cared for her...

247
00:12:56,333 --> 00:12:58,700
The reason you were afraid
of losing Honey is because

248
00:12:58,767 --> 00:13:02,433
you bought her and got her
while the two of you were together.

249
00:13:02,500 --> 00:13:04,767
- Yes.
- So there could be an argument made

250
00:13:04,834 --> 00:13:07,367
that both of you had owned
and cared for her.

251
00:13:07,433 --> 00:13:09,834
-Even though you may have done more of it.
-Yes.

252
00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:13,367
And you understood that in August
when he came by the house

253
00:13:13,433 --> 00:13:16,166
wanting his dog.
That's what the complaint says.

254
00:13:16,233 --> 00:13:18,467
He was threatening
to take her away from me.

255
00:13:18,533 --> 00:13:21,734
Yes, exactly. And you didn't want that
to happen.

256
00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,066
- [Jennifer] Exactly.
- Because you love the dog.

257
00:13:24,133 --> 00:13:26,700
- Yes, she... I had her...
- [Adam] You're the primary caretaker.

258
00:13:26,767 --> 00:13:28,467
Would you acknowledge that, sir?

259
00:13:28,533 --> 00:13:30,367
I'm not really fit
for taking care of anybody.

260
00:13:30,433 --> 00:13:33,834
Well, you're not gonna have any question
there from Judge DiMango.

261
00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:36,567
- First honest statement he's made.
- [Adam] Yeah.

262
00:13:36,633 --> 00:13:38,867
[narrator]
Coming up on Tribunal Justice...

263
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'Cause I was convinced by the guy
I was dating that I should go do this.

264
00:13:42,734 --> 00:13:44,266
I really didn't want to do this.

265
00:13:44,333 --> 00:13:46,533
You knew it was wrong,
you knew it wasn't the truth.

266
00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,133
and you were willing to sign
under the penalties of perjury.

267
00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,333
Why? 'Cause some guy told you to?

268
00:13:58,467 --> 00:14:01,767
[Narrator] Jennifer Larson
is suing her ex-fiance,

269
00:14:01,834 --> 00:14:06,200
James Glass for an unpaid loan
and credit card charges.

270
00:14:06,266 --> 00:14:10,500
James claims Jennifer took his dog,
locked him out of their house

271
00:14:10,567 --> 00:14:12,633
and doesn't owe anything.

272
00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:15,900
So, with respect to the dog;
on August, he comes back down

273
00:14:15,967 --> 00:14:18,333
from wherever he was
with this other number three,

274
00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,266
and he comes back to your place,
and it's one o'clock in the morning.

275
00:14:21,333 --> 00:14:23,700
- Was that the first time he'd done that?
- Yes.

276
00:14:23,767 --> 00:14:25,333
[Adam]
One in the morning, banging.

277
00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,533
Was he threatening to you ever
in the past?

278
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,834
- No.
- [Adam] No.

279
00:14:28,900 --> 00:14:31,734
And he comes there, though,
and you change the locks.

280
00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:32,700
[Jennifer]
Yes.

281
00:14:32,767 --> 00:14:36,467
And you acknowledge that Honey wasn't
just your dog, it was both of your dogs.

282
00:14:36,533 --> 00:14:38,266
I would agree with that, it's true.

283
00:14:38,333 --> 00:14:41,000
And you would also agree, though,
that in your complaint,

284
00:14:41,066 --> 00:14:43,867
you said that on August 22nd,
he came to your house

285
00:14:43,934 --> 00:14:46,967
and he threatened to take "my dog."
That was upsetting to you.

286
00:14:47,033 --> 00:14:48,567
- Yes.
- [Adam] You called the police.

287
00:14:48,633 --> 00:14:50,533
And sir, you wanted to take the dog

288
00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,700
and you wanted to
take some of your other things.

289
00:14:52,767 --> 00:14:54,967
And the police said,
because you're not on the lease,

290
00:14:55,033 --> 00:14:57,367
you can't take your things
unless she agrees to it.

291
00:14:57,433 --> 00:14:59,333
And she only agreed to give you
certain things,

292
00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,900
and the dog wasn't one of 'em.

293
00:15:00,967 --> 00:15:02,700
Yes. They asked me
if I was on the lease...

294
00:15:02,767 --> 00:15:04,266
[Adam]
And they said no, and...

295
00:15:04,333 --> 00:15:05,867
I have a key and I'm not on the lease.

296
00:15:05,934 --> 00:15:07,834
Basically, that's it right there.

297
00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:10,734
And there was another man in the home
and they don't want any violence.

298
00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,767
That's exactly right. I get all that.
But what I'm more concerned with,

299
00:15:14,834 --> 00:15:18,266
quite frankly, was this Order of
Protection that you're now talking about.

300
00:15:18,333 --> 00:15:21,166
'Cause you went to court
on the 24th of August

301
00:15:21,233 --> 00:15:23,834
- to file that Order of Protection, right?
- Yes.

302
00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:27,200
And he wasn't there to defend himself
when you did that, right?

303
00:15:27,266 --> 00:15:29,033
No, but we were trying to serve him.

304
00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:33,133
I get that. I making a point though.
And the point is that on August 24th,

305
00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,533
two days after this incident where
the police were called to your house,

306
00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,133
you went to court
requesting judicial relief,

307
00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:45,667
directing him to stay away from you,
from the house, and the dog. Right?

308
00:15:45,734 --> 00:15:48,867
And now, without him present,
you say certain things to the judge

309
00:15:48,934 --> 00:15:51,934
in order for the judge to give you
what you want.

310
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,767
The dog and the money. Right?

311
00:15:54,834 --> 00:15:58,967
Yes. I did it more for
protection of me and Honey.

312
00:15:59,033 --> 00:16:02,700
Because I felt like I couldn't reason
with him, and he...

313
00:16:02,767 --> 00:16:05,500
[Adam] For that one incident.
He had never been violent in the past.

314
00:16:05,567 --> 00:16:07,266
He never came to the house,
banged on the door.

315
00:16:07,333 --> 00:16:11,133
What I want to know is whether or not
you used self-help.

316
00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,300
Whether you went to court
requesting a temporary restraining order,

317
00:16:14,367 --> 00:16:18,000
making representations about him
that were exaggerated

318
00:16:18,066 --> 00:16:23,100
in an effort to get yourself
in a better position to obtain the dog

319
00:16:23,166 --> 00:16:25,433
and a money judgment against him
eventually.

320
00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:28,834
So, in paragraph five of that order,
you told the judge that he,

321
00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:34,333
on August 22nd, threatened to take Honey,
my dog, away from me. Right?

322
00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,533
I was upset.

323
00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,367
I know you were upset and
you had every right to be upset.

324
00:16:38,433 --> 00:16:41,700
What I'm interested in is that when you
go to court and you make an application,

325
00:16:41,767 --> 00:16:45,133
especially one for an Order of Protection,
you gotta tell the truth, the whole truth,

326
00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,433
and nothing but the truth.
And if you don't,

327
00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:51,066
it's perpetrating fraud on the court.
So, in other words, nothing prevented you

328
00:16:51,133 --> 00:16:54,867
to tell the judge that this was our dog,
we bought the dog together.

329
00:16:54,934 --> 00:16:58,000
You coulda said it, but you didn't.
You said it was your dog.

330
00:16:58,066 --> 00:17:00,367
And that was on purpose, right?

331
00:17:00,433 --> 00:17:04,867
Your Honor, I didn't get the chance
to say anything to the judge about that.

332
00:17:04,934 --> 00:17:08,032
The judge only asked me,
when I went in there,

333
00:17:08,099 --> 00:17:10,567
- if I served him...
- Paragraph five...

334
00:17:10,633 --> 00:17:16,633
Paragraph five; "threatening to take
my dog from me." That's your handwriting.

335
00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:20,599
That was written on the document
but it was not announced to the judge

336
00:17:20,666 --> 00:17:23,066
- I never...
- You knew the judge was gonna see this.

337
00:17:23,133 --> 00:17:25,000
- You were making a record.
- Yes, I'm aware.

338
00:17:25,066 --> 00:17:28,400
You knew that the judge was gonna look
at this petition and make a determination

339
00:17:28,467 --> 00:17:31,166
based upon what you wrote.
That's what you wrote.

340
00:17:31,233 --> 00:17:33,600
- I did. I'm not gonna deny that.
- Yes.

341
00:17:33,667 --> 00:17:38,100
Well, you can't deny it, 'cause you
wrote it. Then, you wanted a court order

342
00:17:38,166 --> 00:17:41,700
prohibiting him from
coming within 100 yards of Honey.

343
00:17:41,767 --> 00:17:45,233
'Cause you didn't want there to be
any chance that he got the dog, right?

344
00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:49,467
The reason why was because I was convinced
by the guy I was dating

345
00:17:49,533 --> 00:17:52,300
that I should go do this.
I really didn't want to do this.

346
00:17:52,367 --> 00:17:55,700
But he said this is
the best thing you can do...

347
00:17:55,767 --> 00:17:59,734
Ms. Larson, every time that you
try to explain something like that,

348
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,400
it just digs your hole deeper.
You knew it was wrong,

349
00:18:02,467 --> 00:18:04,867
you knew it wasn't the truth and
you were willing to sign

350
00:18:04,934 --> 00:18:08,700
under the penalties of perjury.
Why, 'cause some guy told you to?

351
00:18:08,767 --> 00:18:12,734
Again, it has absolutely nothing to do
with the merits of this case.

352
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,834
But we see these Orders of Protection
all the time.

353
00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:21,533
And I hate... hate when people abuse them.
Because it minimizes their importance.

354
00:18:22,467 --> 00:18:23,433
I understand.

355
00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:24,533
Judge Acker.

356
00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,867
Thank you, Judge.
What interests me, Mr. Glass,

357
00:18:27,934 --> 00:18:33,633
is that in your answer to this case,
you said, "I owe her nothing."

358
00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:36,433
She was living her life,
I was living mine.

359
00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:39,333
I would cover my portion
of the credit card bill,

360
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,500
once I came into some money, she agreed.

361
00:18:41,567 --> 00:18:44,567
Was there ever a date certain for when
you were gonna pay the money back?

362
00:18:44,633 --> 00:18:45,500
No, ma'am.

363
00:18:45,567 --> 00:18:48,533
[Tanya] How much money
are you admitting you owe her?

364
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,767
Because as you were being examined
by Judge DiMango,

365
00:18:51,834 --> 00:18:54,533
it seemed that you were acknowledging
some portion of the debt.

366
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,533
When you swore out your answer
in this lawsuit,

367
00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,066
you suggested that
you didn't owe her anything.

368
00:19:00,133 --> 00:19:03,567
So, what is it that you're admitting
that you owe her?

369
00:19:03,633 --> 00:19:07,467
Okay, so, the credit card debt,
I feel like,

370
00:19:07,533 --> 00:19:10,266
equals the same amount of things
that she kept from me.

371
00:19:10,333 --> 00:19:12,567
I don't have an exact list,
but I can give you some...

372
00:19:12,633 --> 00:19:14,800
[Tanya] You have to have an exact...
We're in court.

373
00:19:14,867 --> 00:19:16,834
Not your bedroom, thank God.

374
00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:20,533
You are being accused of
a financial liability

375
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,767
to which you've asserted a defense
and to which I see none.

376
00:19:23,834 --> 00:19:27,633
So, if you are claiming you
don't owe her all of that $6,000,

377
00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:29,934
what portion are you saying
you don't owe her?

378
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,467
I don't have an exact number,
to be honest with you.

379
00:19:32,533 --> 00:19:35,633
Me and Jennifer never had an opportunity
to work through any of this.

380
00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:38,066
Your Honor, I have all the evidence.

381
00:19:38,133 --> 00:19:41,100
What is the evidence?
You have evidence of charges.

382
00:19:41,166 --> 00:19:43,000
You have evidence of charges.

383
00:19:43,066 --> 00:19:46,033
- So, so...
- Transactions from that credit card...

384
00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:48,633
I'm going to explain to you
why that's not enough for me.

385
00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:53,000
The only part of your back story that
I care about is the part that suggests

386
00:19:53,066 --> 00:19:56,100
that the two of you have
some joint financial entanglements.

387
00:19:56,166 --> 00:19:58,266
You took vacations together,
you lived together.

388
00:19:58,333 --> 00:20:00,767
You did all kinds of things
with other people together.

389
00:20:00,834 --> 00:20:03,667
The fact that he spent some money
on a credit card,

390
00:20:03,734 --> 00:20:06,166
I don't know how much of that
you agreed to.

391
00:20:06,233 --> 00:20:09,767
I don't know how much of that was a loan.
I don't know how much of that was,

392
00:20:09,834 --> 00:20:12,166
you know what, baby,
this is our vacation play money.

393
00:20:12,233 --> 00:20:16,667
You have not proven that to me.
You've given me credit card statements

394
00:20:16,734 --> 00:20:19,400
and told me a messy story
about a messy relationship.

395
00:20:19,467 --> 00:20:22,233
I mean, I can try to glean something
from his confusion.

396
00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:24,233
But you've not proven your case to me.

397
00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:28,133
Your Honor, I did not consent to
some of those charges.

398
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,400
And I left them on the trip
at a certain period of time.

399
00:20:32,467 --> 00:20:35,333
Where's the evidence that
you didn't consent to those charges?

400
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,166
I have a text message that shows
that he said,

401
00:20:38,233 --> 00:20:41,266
we can break our ties,
I'll pay the credit card.

402
00:20:41,333 --> 00:20:47,000
Okay, here we go: "I'll pay off
the credit card and keep your phone on."

403
00:20:47,066 --> 00:20:50,767
So, is that you acknowledging
the $6,000 debt?

404
00:20:50,834 --> 00:20:54,667
This is me acknowledging it.
With a caveat.

405
00:20:54,734 --> 00:20:56,567
The caveat's regarding the phone.

406
00:20:56,633 --> 00:21:00,467
That I got the... actually, this says
dab rig. That belonged to number three.

407
00:21:00,533 --> 00:21:01,600
[Tanya]
What's a dab rig?

408
00:21:01,667 --> 00:21:02,967
It's so you can smoke pot.

409
00:21:03,033 --> 00:21:05,633
- [Tanya] Okay.
- Number three smoked pot.

410
00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:10,033
So, she was gonna give you that and
you were gonna pay her back the money.

411
00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:12,767
That she brought that and she
let me say goodbye to the dog.

412
00:21:12,834 --> 00:21:15,734
And then, what about the $4,000 loan?
Do you acknowledge that?

413
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,033
I do.

414
00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:18,800
So, why'd she have to sue you for it?

415
00:21:18,867 --> 00:21:21,066
[Narrator]
Coming up on Tribunal Justice...

416
00:21:21,133 --> 00:21:25,100
He said you have to give me some time.
He never said there was a due date.

417
00:21:25,166 --> 00:21:29,000
And now, as he stands here,
I don't hear him repudiating the debt.

418
00:21:29,066 --> 00:21:32,233
Maybe it's not due yet.
Maybe you sued prematurely.

419
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,467
What about the $4,000 loan?
Do you acknowledge that?

420
00:21:43,533 --> 00:21:44,533
I do.

421
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,066
[Tanya]
Why'd she have to sue you for it?

422
00:21:46,133 --> 00:21:47,233
She didn't.

423
00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:49,700
She did. She here in court.

424
00:21:49,767 --> 00:21:53,934
She cut all communication off with me.
There was zero way for us to communicate.

425
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,800
I would've worked this out
outside of court.

426
00:21:55,867 --> 00:21:59,433
Did he ever give you a date
by which the loan payment was due?

427
00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:02,633
- Maybe... He never said...
- [Jennifer] He never said when he could.

428
00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:05,400
He said you have to give me some time,
but there was no time stamp.

429
00:22:05,467 --> 00:22:07,767
And I have communicated with his dad
prior...

430
00:22:07,834 --> 00:22:11,734
Okay, wait, hold on, hold on.
He said you have to give me some time.

431
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,600
He never said there was a due date.
And now, as he stands here,

432
00:22:15,667 --> 00:22:19,400
as I understand it,
I don't hear him repudiating the debt.

433
00:22:19,467 --> 00:22:22,900
Maybe it's not due yet.
Maybe you sued prematurely.

434
00:22:22,967 --> 00:22:25,633
There was a due date.
And it's a credit card...

435
00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:29,066
You just said there wasn't. No-no-no.
You had to pay the credit card bill.

436
00:22:29,133 --> 00:22:33,066
But he told you he would pay you
when he could pay you.

437
00:22:33,133 --> 00:22:35,934
You knew about his work situation,
did you not?

438
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,600
He works for his family.
They work in a business

439
00:22:38,667 --> 00:22:41,800
that is subject to a lot of ebbs
and flows.

440
00:22:41,867 --> 00:22:45,900
What was your reasonable expectation of
when he was going to pay you back?

441
00:22:45,967 --> 00:22:48,767
I didn't know what to believe,
because then his dad was telling me,

442
00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:49,900
good luck getting the money...

443
00:22:49,967 --> 00:22:52,000
[Tanya]
I don't know what to believe now either.

444
00:22:52,066 --> 00:22:54,834
I am not sure this case belongs here
right now.

445
00:22:54,900 --> 00:23:00,533
Your Honor, in person, we agreed upon
that he would pay me $10,000.

446
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,667
He said that I should get another paycheck
coming in at the end of August.

447
00:23:05,734 --> 00:23:09,000
But then, when I spoke with his mom
a little bit before that,

448
00:23:09,066 --> 00:23:13,100
she said he doesn't have another paycheck
coming in and that it didn't come through.

449
00:23:13,166 --> 00:23:15,834
So that statement was not true.

450
00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:18,266
Thank you. I don't have anything else.

451
00:23:18,333 --> 00:23:22,000
I'm looking at some credit card statements
dated August 2nd.

452
00:23:22,066 --> 00:23:25,367
There seem to be some things are circled,
some things are not.

453
00:23:25,433 --> 00:23:28,100
One is Ageless Men's Health.

454
00:23:28,166 --> 00:23:31,800
And then, there are some
under your name, James Glass.

455
00:23:31,867 --> 00:23:34,100
Hampton Inn Suites in July.

456
00:23:34,166 --> 00:23:38,100
I'm guessing that's when you were
putting up number three.

457
00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:43,500
Are you saying that those are the ones
that you're asking to be covered from him?

458
00:23:43,567 --> 00:23:48,467
Yes. He was obviously going to pay me back
for that. But that didn't happen.

459
00:23:48,533 --> 00:23:50,834
I'm done. What about you, are you good?

460
00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:53,166
We're gonna retire to deliberate.
Thank you both.

461
00:23:53,233 --> 00:23:56,600
Court now stands in recess.
Parties are excused.

462
00:23:58,233 --> 00:24:00,800
I don't think any of us
really cares about their relationship,

463
00:24:00,867 --> 00:24:03,367
other than how it plays into
the money owed,

464
00:24:03,433 --> 00:24:06,333
and whether or not she could've believed
that he was going to pay back

465
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,700
what the nature of their interaction was,
as to who was paying what.

466
00:24:10,767 --> 00:24:13,900
And other than two charges,
I'm very confused.

467
00:24:13,967 --> 00:24:17,133
The charge, Ageless Men's Health,
I could say that that's his.

468
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,400
And the hotel bill for for $1,200
that he admitted to

469
00:24:21,467 --> 00:24:25,333
for putting up the other girl.
That would bring this to about $1,500.

470
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,834
I don't believe,
consistent with his testimony,

471
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:31,000
that he gave her any money for anything.
So, I think to some extent,

472
00:24:31,066 --> 00:24:34,200
she's met her burden of proving
how much out of pocket she's out.

473
00:24:34,266 --> 00:24:36,867
And to another extent,
I think that she's failed.

474
00:24:36,934 --> 00:24:39,000
So, I think she's entitled to something

475
00:24:39,066 --> 00:24:41,667
and I just need to kind of figure out
from this what it is.

476
00:24:41,734 --> 00:24:46,133
As far as the proof that she submitted and
what was conceded by the Defendant,

477
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,900
that she loaned him $4,000.
And we learned that he gambled that away.

478
00:24:49,967 --> 00:24:52,133
- Mm-hmm.
- So, the $4,000 was clear.

479
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,934
The $6,000 for the credit card bill
is a little more complicated.

480
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,934
She provided us with proof,
but there are two separate names.

481
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,133
There's James Glass, who's the Defendant,
and then, there's the Plaintiff,

482
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,266
herself, Jennifer Larson.
And she circles what she says

483
00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:09,400
are those that are his responsibility.
And if you take all of those circles...

484
00:25:09,467 --> 00:25:12,834
So, you have $4,671 for that block.

485
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:14,433
[Patricia]
Mm-hmm. And twelve...

486
00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:19,367
And you have $2,770 for this block.
It's a little over $6,000.

487
00:25:19,433 --> 00:25:22,266
But the maximum jurisdiction we have
is ten.

488
00:25:22,333 --> 00:25:24,667
She's already met, I believe,
her burden on the four.

489
00:25:24,734 --> 00:25:26,667
And then, that's where she
gets the six from.

490
00:25:26,734 --> 00:25:29,333
But we have to believe,
according to the way this is written,

491
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,734
that any of these charges that he made
were exclusively for his use.

492
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,900
We don't really know that.

493
00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:38,266
And based upon the timeline that she gave,
when that last incident happened

494
00:25:38,333 --> 00:25:42,233
with number three, that timeline
is within these dates,

495
00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:44,867
the middle of July, late July,
and in August.

496
00:25:44,934 --> 00:25:46,700
- On his charges, you mean?
- On his charges.

497
00:25:46,767 --> 00:25:48,266
When he would've been with her
out of state.

498
00:25:48,333 --> 00:25:50,900
All right. That wasn't really my issue.
What are the damages?

499
00:25:50,967 --> 00:25:54,333
I think she's entitled to the $4,000
that he admits, plus that.

500
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,500
I know that in past cases we've said
that if someone repudiates the debt,

501
00:25:58,567 --> 00:26:02,166
and they're like, hey, I'm never gonna
pay you and I don't owe you this money,

502
00:26:02,233 --> 00:26:05,467
then we could say, well,
you've repudiated, it's right,

503
00:26:05,533 --> 00:26:08,834
because you said you're not gonna pay.
In his answer, that's what he said.

504
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:13,066
He seemed to take a different position.
But I'm gonna hold him to the denials

505
00:26:13,133 --> 00:26:15,800
that he made in his answer.
I don't know what that

506
00:26:15,867 --> 00:26:18,300
falling on the sword was out there.

507
00:26:18,367 --> 00:26:21,533
I'm just fuzzy about the number.
I'm clear on the $4,000.

508
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,700
If we go on his admission, he says $4,000.
Right? That's clear.

509
00:26:25,767 --> 00:26:29,533
He also says it was about $1,200,
it was $1,271 for the hotel for the girl.

510
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,700
- Yep, that was...
- And there are a lot of charges here.

511
00:26:31,767 --> 00:26:34,367
And she's not asking that any of these
be reimbursed.

512
00:26:34,433 --> 00:26:36,867
She's just asking what comes in
under his name.

513
00:26:36,934 --> 00:26:40,133
So, even at worst, if we want to
go by him, he's up to almost $6,000.

514
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,200
So, he's still past the...
You've pulled me over the fence.

515
00:26:43,266 --> 00:26:44,600
So, $10,000 to her.

516
00:26:44,667 --> 00:26:46,533
- You've pulled me over the fence.
- Thank you.

517
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:52,734
Court is back in session. Parties
are reminded you're still under oath.

518
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,633
Thank you, Byrd. You know
what they say about relationships?

519
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:58,700
Two's company, three's a lawsuit
waiting to happen.

520
00:27:00,567 --> 00:27:04,133
And here you are. We did look through
all the evidence and listened to you all

521
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,333
and we agree, the three of us agree,
that indeed,

522
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,166
based on some of your admissions, sir,
that you, in fact,

523
00:27:12,233 --> 00:27:15,166
did demonstrate by
preponderance of the evidence,

524
00:27:15,233 --> 00:27:20,000
with a little help from your friend,
that you are entitled to the $10,000

525
00:27:20,066 --> 00:27:24,300
for which you have sued him.
Now, from my personal note,

526
00:27:24,367 --> 00:27:29,100
and this is just me talking to you,
I would take that $10,000

527
00:27:29,166 --> 00:27:33,000
and find the top psychologist
and go every day.

528
00:27:33,066 --> 00:27:37,166
Because you are too easily malleable.
You were persuaded by him

529
00:27:37,233 --> 00:27:39,266
to bring in a third person
to live with you.

530
00:27:39,333 --> 00:27:41,800
You go into a courtroom
with another gentleman

531
00:27:41,867 --> 00:27:45,734
and he persuades you to bring a lawsuit.
If those are the only two things

532
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,066
you've told us about,
that's already two more

533
00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:51,400
than you should have happen in your life.
But I don't buy that.

534
00:27:51,467 --> 00:27:56,000
I could tell just by your personality in
here, you let those things happen to you.

535
00:27:56,066 --> 00:27:59,100
And if you keep letting those things
happen to you,

536
00:27:59,166 --> 00:28:04,567
people will come along and do them to you.
People will talk you into anything,

537
00:28:04,633 --> 00:28:09,200
whether it benefits you or not.
And you can't for the sake of love

538
00:28:09,266 --> 00:28:13,633
or caring, or anything at all,
make these decisions.

539
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:17,633
And you know what, I think you know it,
but I think you can't help yourself.

540
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:22,233
I've learned my lesson the hard way.
And I...

541
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:29,633
Initially, at the time, it seemed like
things were fine, we were in agreeance.

542
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:34,500
The mere fact that you keep saying that
to me, tells me you have learned nothing.

543
00:28:34,567 --> 00:28:38,800
That being said, you could take a word
from the not-so-wise,

544
00:28:38,867 --> 00:28:42,633
and get yourself some help.
You, sir, on the other hand,

545
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:47,700
maybe you have a lifestyle or issues,
habits, addictions, whatever,

546
00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:51,567
are out of control. Maybe you too
need to do the same thing.

547
00:28:51,633 --> 00:28:54,300
Get some help.
So, as to the both of you,

548
00:28:54,367 --> 00:28:56,967
we do wish that you
stay away from one another.

549
00:28:57,033 --> 00:28:59,567
But I'm not so sure I think you will
or you will.

550
00:28:59,633 --> 00:29:04,600
So, the verdict of the court is in
your favor for the full amount, $10,000.

551
00:29:04,667 --> 00:29:08,667
This case is now concluded.
Parties are excused, you may step out.

552
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,066
If anything, I wish me and Jennifer
could've done things differently.

553
00:29:13,133 --> 00:29:15,600
- His focus was on her.
- It was a terrible idea.

554
00:29:15,667 --> 00:29:17,667
I gotta set boundaries for myself.

555
00:29:17,734 --> 00:29:20,567
It's just kinda what I do naturally.
I manipulate situations

556
00:29:20,633 --> 00:29:21,900
to work out in my benefit.

557
00:29:21,967 --> 00:29:25,000
Just shows me that
I gotta be more careful.

558
00:29:25,066 --> 00:29:26,934
I love Jennifer.
I've always loved Jennifer.

559
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,333
I don't know what to think.

560
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,567
I think there's always a possibility,
when you love somebody that much.

561
00:29:31,633 --> 00:29:34,333
If they didn't think that
I would learn from this, I really have.

562
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,300
I hope that we didn't
damage things too much

563
00:29:36,367 --> 00:29:38,233
and maybe there is some hope for repair.

564
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:39,867
And see where things go.

565
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,600
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