[Zak] This has become your life.
It has overtaken your life.
He's mentioned dark entities.
[Billy whispering] Look, look, look, look, look, look, look!
What is that?
Imagine not having anybody talk to you,
because when you speak of it, you're just nuts.
I'm afraid he's literally gonna go crazy.
We saw you hiding out over here.
Oh, my God, it was trying to say "Justin."
I have a very interesting case on my hands.
And so it's time to call the guys.
What's up, Billy, Jay?
- What's up, Zak? - Hey, Zak.
- What? - Uh, what is that?
Hey, buddies.
- What is that? - What is that?
I'm just looking at you guys like a fan would.
All right.
All right, guys, I got a case,
uh, a really interesting one.
This guy, his name is Justin Kennedy,
he's in Jackson, Missouri,
and his family is very concerned for him
because he's like overly obsessed
with the claimed spirits in his house.
And it's gotten so bad that this obsession
has just completely taken over his life.
So let's watch that video,
his submission video.
Hi. How y'all doing? My name is Justin Kennedy.
I live in Jackson, Missouri.
I've always been close to the spiritual realm.
I've always been a very spiritual person.
The first thing I witnessed was a metal plaque fly
from one side of the hallway to the other with force.
And then, all of a sudden,
eight or ten hangers come from out of the laundry room
and fly down the hallway and slam into my bedroom door.
But it had made me start to question myself
and, man, what's going on?
And for me to ever question my sanity is a statement--
a statement that's so huge and heavy
that you really don't understand
because you don't know me.
I don't have no friends because I'm the crazy one.
I'm the crazy man.
Everything's a nightmare here.
It sounds like this man's life is falling apart.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
So we need to go help and see whether or not spirits
and paranormal events are the cause to blame, okay?
Let's remember that someone's life
seems like it's very much on the line here.
- Okay? - This is serious.
You guys have a safe flight, okay?
I'm gonna do a little bit more research.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS A CALL HERE, UH,
when you-- when you, uh, land.
- Okay? - All right.
- Perfect. - Thanks, Zak.
- It's time to go to work.
Time to go to work.
[spooky ringtone playing]
- Is that Zak? - There's Zak right there.
- Hey, Zak. - Hey.
- You guys on the way? - Yeah, we're almost there.
Okay, so I did some research,
and I thought this was important for you all to know.
If there is a negative presence on the property
and in this home,
Justin might be experiencing
something that could possibly tie into
a catastrophically deadly event
that was very close to his house.
The Trail of Tears, which ran right through this land,
refers to the forced migration
of approximately 60,000 Native Americans
by European settlers between 1830 and 1850.
An estimated 15,000 people died
as a result of this atrocity.
There were massacres, there were murders,
there were battles, there were deaths
all along this trail.
[Zak on phone] It could be a curse tied to the land.
- Right. - Right, right.
All right, guys. As always, when you knock on that door
and enter that home, be very careful.
A lot of times, if there are dark entities inhabiting these houses,
they will know that we're coming.
- Yeah. - So be safe.
- Okay. Thanks, Zak. - Thanks, Zak.
- [Jay] How are you doing? - How are you?
- [Billy] Justin? - Good. Yeah.
- How you doing? - How's it going? Billy.
- Billy. - Aaron.
Jay.
- All right, come on in. - Is it all right if we come in? Yeah.
So the first thing I noticed, we watched your submission video,
and you mentioned you were intuitive from an early age,
and you've had a spiritual connection.
Throughout my life, I've had brief experiences, you know,
some I would call demonic,
some, you know, I've left my body.
- Okay. - You know, so, as I've gotten older,
I just realized I'm a beacon in the night to the lost.
I'm a magnet, for whatever reason,
to the other side.
But this here takes the cake.
- And this is my girlfriend. - And your girlfriend, Jennifer.
Jennifer, you said you have to leave for work soon,
- so we'll ask you some questions. - Right.
Like, how is it messing with you guys psychologically?
- Like, have you seen a change in him? - It's put a--
Do you see her change?
It's definitely put a damper.
His obsession with the ghost hunting
or feeling that there's bad here or whatever,
it's just put a big wall between us.
My relationship with Jennifer is trashed
and has been for a long time.
I don't see a lot of things that he might see.
Not that I don't believe him.
It's just we hear about it all-- you know, so much
that I just put it in the back of my mind.
Imagine not ever having anybody to talk to,
you know,
because when you speak of it, you're just nuts.
Sometimes I do think he's crazy, you know.
It's sad, you know.
Uh, I love him.
I do.
It's just-- I don't know, taking a toll on him.
He's just not the same person that I met, you know.
Before you have to go to work,
do you want to show us like a spot
and tell us the story of what you--
- Sure. - We'd love to get as much information
as we possibly can.
[Jennifer] We were sleeping and it's like something
was like, I guess, I don't know,
my arm was hanging off.
I don't know if it was a bad dream,
but it was so real life.
Like, I was being tugged...
- Yeah. - ...like, how I felt, being pulled off the bed.
That's what I-- I second-guess myself, you know,
because I think about that time
that there was a lot of activity
or whatever in the house that he was feeling or seeing.
And, um...
I don't know if my mind was influenced or... or...
She has "dreams," is what she calls it,
and she'll be in there like moaning
and screaming and kicking.
It could have been a dream.
I mean, it really could have.
Um, but it was so real life if it was.
Jen had just started going to doctors.
You know, she was having problems.
In my mind,
I'm thinking that the energy of the house is affecting her.
So that's pushing me harder to get resolved.
I don't want my daughter in harm's way, obviously ever.
So that's the drive that's behind it.
He started educating himself on what all of this was,
and doing research and paying for that type of stuff.
That is when all of this started, really.
So it's you, your girlfriend, your--
Does your daughter live here, too?
- Yeah. - Okay. So the three of you?
- Yeah. - So would you say you're the most affected by this?
Absolutely.
Would you say you're the most that's looking into it
- and trying to figure it out? - All day.
- [Aaron] Yeah. You're consumed by it. - All day.
To the point I've destroyed my relationship.
He'll take pictures.
He has like 2,500 pictures on his phone.
He just sits there and fixates on these pictures
all day long.
I tell him all the time, I don't believe it
and he gets mad.
We hardly talk.
We argue a lot over it.
If we do sit down at like the kitchen table
to have a conversation, it turns into
"Look at this. Look at this." You know?
The first thing I really saw was cartoon characters
jumping out of my mirror in the bathroom.
What do you mean "cartoon characters"?
You familiar cartoon character entities?
- No. - Really?
- No. - They're colorful cartoons.
I got 'em jumping out the TV, back flipping.
I fully believe in paranormal activity and ghosts and...
people coming to visit you and stuff,
but I don't believe...
the cartoon characters.
You go your whole life, you know,
you raise your kids, or whatever,
and you're used to a certain look,
a certain way they hug you.
Like, every time I'd walk in a room,
her whole existence would glow.
"Dad."
It went from that to every time I walk in,
just sad or anxiety on her face.
There's just so much craziness to me,
and then not to others.
You know, it's like is it-- is it me?
You know, is it-- Am I really going that crazy? You know?
All day long, it jumps out at me.
People talk to me through this mirror constantly,
looking at me, all the mirrors,
any reflective surface.
I lost my job
because I couldn't stay off my monitors long enough.
I couldn't leave my cameras alone.
It consumed me,
and I'd just got my foot in the management door.
I was on my way to the top.
At the time, it wasn't devastating.
I didn't care.
Because now I've got free time for real
to look at my cameras.
I-- I personally didn't see anything,
um, really in the cameras
or, you know, going back on the feeds or whatever.
You know, once we find out more about what's happening here,
we want to try to help you and your family,
because no one should live like that, you know?
[Aaron] Yeah, and try to pinpoint what it is,
- give you some sanity on what it is. - I absolutely appreciate it.
This ain't living life. This is just existing.
[Zak] With the intensely dark history
and Justin's concerning state of mind,
there are a lot of elements at play here.
So the guys pull out some gear
to try to get a sense of what is really going on.
I got my EMF detector, like, so I can take some readings.
As Jay talks to Justin,
Billy records major electromagnetic spikes
on the Tri-Field meter.
[Billy whispering] Look, look, look, look, look, look, look!
- [Justin] ...2:00 at the morning... - Look, look, Aaron.
[Aaron] Yeah.
[Justin] ...and that's what...
[Zak] These abnormal spikes could be caused
by a high-voltage power line
or a nearby electrical substation.
Medical experts believe that these kinds of high-frequency EMF's
have a dangerous effect on the nervous system.
Bill, Aaron, check this out.
He was just mentioning he saw something over my shoulder.
- Anytime-- - He just took this photo.
- I noticed the-- - Like, in the reflection, you could almost see, like,
it looks like a figure in there.
[Aaron] What is that?
- Right? - I got so much to show you, man.
- He just took this. - So this-- the light waves, man.
Them colors is kind of like a crazy-looking monkey.
So, whatever, I'm sure he's got ectoplasma on him. Still...
[Zak] Billy is able to take a picture on his phone
that matches the image
that Justin was seeing as the face of a monkey.
[Billy] You think it's matrixing?
[Jay] It could be.
I think what that is,
the refraction of that light is showing the smudges
on this mirror right here.
[Zak] But Justin still insists it is evidence of an entity.
They always leave a smudge when they come through.
It leaves an imprint.
Everything usually is blurred, but they move by vibrations,
so it's hard to get a clear shot.
It's impossible.
And in the moment of when things open up
and worlds collide,
everything is a-- it also creates a blur.
I've went back and looked at my baby book
in the hospital as an infant.
I'm surrounded in mist and demonic--
you know, all through my life.
My fifth grade birthday picture,
is all craziness in the background.
Why I never saw it before, and no one else could see it,
I don't know.
[Zak] The guys asked Justin about the poltergeist activity
he says he has witnessed in the house.
I was in the bedroom like right in there,
and there was a metal picture on the wall
on this side.
And it didn't fall. It flew from here
and banged into wall and fell.
And, you know, just like our laundry room,
I saw eight or ten hangers fly down this hallway,
smash the door.
We definitely want to see those spots.
Where did the hangers come from?
[Justin] Out of the laundry room.
But they was on top of the washer.
[Jay] So the hangers were in this room, right?
And they came out of this room and went down this hallway.
[Justin] Slowly they go...
[making wind noise]
And they would stop and go, whap, and smash in the door.
That's wild. That's a crazy story.
- Yeah, that's crazy. - Like, you know, we've seen objects lift off the ground.
We've seen them go flying.
But to actually like make a 90 degree turn as well is pretty wild.
[Zak] Justin also says he was body slammed
by something unseen in the backyard.
[Justin] So I had a privacy fence put up.
- [Jay] Yep - So I'm helping the guy
unload panels that day on the back hill,
and my feet literally just come up to my head,
and I can't describe the feeling,
but I slammed so hard I couldn't move.
And this guy jumped and he literally said,
"Dude, you look like you got body slammed."
You can imagine the energy it would take to body slam me.
Oh, yeah, that's a massive amount of energy.
With so much force,
I can't even describe it.
Ever since this thing has started, man,
the energy off this vortex or portals,
or whatever you wanna call it,
has destroyed my body, man.
Well, I think that's what they try to do.
They try to like break you down
and drive you crazy and cause problems.
People fight, and all kinds of crazy [bleep]
can happen from that.
I wake up and want to kick doors off hinges at times,
or even want to just kill people.
I mean, it's crazy to even hear it or say it.
And there's been a few times where he's gotten real mad
and like kicking the doors and just raging out.
He has to leave.
He'll wake up sometimes and be like,
"Man, I just feel like killing people."
You know, hearing your own dad say that,
"You're like what in the world?"
The angrier I am, the more intense it gets.
If you keep doing this, it's not gonna stop.
- [Jay] Can't block it out. - What are you doing? That's like your mission,
is like, "I'm gonna find out what this is--"
Yeah, and you're antagonizing it, antagonizing it.
- [Justin] Yeah. - So it's almost like if you shut it off,
this would be a peaceful place.
It's a choice on you when we leave.
[Zak] This is obviously a very unique case,
so the guys step away
to assess what they've gathered so far.
I think the smudges on the mirror,
that's what-- you know,
- [Aaron] Debunked. - Debunked.
So I took the XLS in,
I scanned the kitchen,
I scanned the living room,
I scanned the hallway,
I scanned the daughter's bedroom,
- where the deer head is in there. - Mmm-hmm.
Nothing. I went in there
when you guys were interviewing Justin
and I shot the entire room and you guys,
and it was just normal.
It mapped all three of you, right?
When I went into the room where the baby's crib is,
the guest room that has all the baby stuff and the crib.
I'm scanning from right to left.
Remember, it's reversed.
It hits the crib,
okay, and there's this.
And so I hold on it because I'm trying to figure out,
what could it be mapping that's over the crib?
Then it turns into a figure.
And then just-- and then leaves.
- [Jay] And just totally vanishes. - And so then,
I scanned again and I could not duplicate it.
[Aaron] Almost when you're panning, because you're going slow...
- Yeah. - ...it's like just tight as it can
- up to the wall. - [Jay] It's trying to hide.
- [Billy] Right-- - And then it's like, "Aah," and then it left.
So, was it hiding?
- Well, think about it. - I don't know.
Think about it. Most cases we ever do,
the spirits try to hide or don't show up--
- [Jay] In the attic or the basement. - Right. We've had that.
So, right now, this spirit is feeding off of him,
getting all this attention from it.
And even if some of it isn't it--
and if it is hiding,
then it means it's bound to the house.
To make him look crazy.
So other than that, we're left with what?
He's obsessed.
- [Aaron] Yeah. - Like, whether whatever is going on here,
like, we don't know if it's happening or not yet.
But like he is deeply obsessed with what's going on here.
- I'm not saying this is haunted. - Right.
It doesn't mean that it's not haunted.
No, but the point that he's obsessed, 100%.
He's all in.
I do feel that I'm addicted to this madness,
as crazy as that sounds.
You know, I'm like a pit bull.
Once I chew-- take a bite,
I'm gonna chew it until I'm done with it.
And I've chewed this thing up and it's chewed me up.
Like, he needs to be able to dial it back,
one, just to stop feeding it.
If there is something here, that will help.
And, two, he's thinking everything is paranormal.
- [Billy] Everything's a ghost. - Everything is.
- He's gone a little over... - Right.
He needs some kind of resolution.
He seems like he needs an answer...
- Yeah, he needs an answer. - ...or he's--
I'm afraid he's literally gonna go crazy.
I honestly think we should call Zak,
because this is like-- I'm kind of hitting a wall of like
how do we proceed with this kind of case?
- Yeah. - I'm just gonna give him a call.
- [line ringing] - [Aaron] It's definitely haunted,
but it's got too far for him.
[Billy] You think it's haunted?
- I think this land's haunted. - [Zak on phone] Hello.
- [Jay] Hey, Zak. - Hey.
So this is interesting
and like there's obviously layers here
that can totally back up a haunting.
He's mentioned dark entities,
not just like an earthbound spirit,
like something darker.
What we're finding is
everything he's been showing us,
like he's totally obsessed with this place being haunted.
Like, he has--
it looks like thousands of videos and pictures.
He started showing us some of them,
and they're all debunkable.
And we're not saying this place isn't haunted,
because we do believe he's going through something.
But it's almost gotten to the point
where now, like, you know...
- [Billy] He's obsessed with it being... - ...anything is everything.
You know, there's a few different things here
that I could diagnose this with.
If this is some type of a demonic attachment
and he's under a state of severe oppression,
resulting in this hyper paranoia state of mind...
- Mmm. - ...this guy could be, you know,
PTSD trauma from spirits.
- And they're literally going crazy because of it. - Right.
And this is why so many cases of possession
were misdiagnosed and are continuing to be misdiagnosed.
We don't know these people. They're house calls.
House calls are urgent responses
that we have to people calling us for help.
And we're not going to say every single one
- is going to be a legitimate haunting. - Right.
We don't know. We don't know these people.
We've never been to their house.
Yes, there could be possibly some kind of delusions going on,
possibly some mental conditions.
- But our job is to base our final decision... - Mmm.
...off of our evidence.
- Yeah. - Absolutely.
And what I would do
is that I would go for the hard concrete evidence.
Yeah.
- Scientific. - I would literally have him in the house,
put him on a camera.
- Jay, I want you to set up a microphone hardwire, okay? - Okay.
And I want you to put that microphone somewhere in there
and just do some religious provocation,
and I want to see if it has a reaction.
Okay. Yeah.
- Yeah. Right. - And this is like a doctor doing observation
to a patient that has an illness
that they're trying to diagnose.
We can do this through observation and symptoms.
Aaron, I want you to set up some meters
where there's a nice low-baseline reading.
And I want you to just sit there
and monitor those meters.
- Okay. - This will be the first stage of our lockdown.
- Okay. - Okay?
Because something might pop up
that could spin this whole investigation
into a different direction.
- Absolutely. - If somebody has a dark attachment,
we do religious provocation,
and it's obvious to these entities
that we're trying to banish this entity,
something will happen. Something should happen.
So right now we kind of have a little bit of
a surprise tactic that we want to run with Justin.
Justin is in his bedroom, sitting in his chair right there.
And around Justin,
we have EMF meters that light up. One, two, three.
Aside from that,
Aaron has set up two meters,
the analog Tri-Field meter
and the digital Tri-Field meter,
which he has a camera on.
He's gonna be monitoring the levels.
I'm gonna be using a high-powered directional boom microphone
to be able to listen to.
I'm going to basically come in and sit right here on the bed next to him.
And I'll be able to pick up any kind of sounds
that are manifesting around him.
[Billy] Jay is listening for the sounds.
Aaron's watching the meters.
What we haven't told Justin is
I have some holy water that we carry with us with with our cleansing kit
as well as some Palo Santo wood,
which I'm going to light without him being aware of it.
What we want to do is we want to see if it elicits
some sort of response or reaction from him.
If he does have an attachment or something that is dark,
it will not like it.
That happened at one of our previous episodes.
The family that we helped that were both paramedics,
as soon as I lit the Palo Santo wood,
she basically wanted to go after Jay.
So we'll see what happens.
I'm gonna be observing here for just a few minutes.
- Sure. - Okay? And then I'll come in.
And I will light the Palo Santo wood in the front room
and then I'll just walk to where you guys are.
Pay attention to the meters
and we'll see if you hear anything.
Since we're using so many different meters,
I want to go unplug the Wi-Fi system
so the router, the Wi-Fi, everything's shut off,
so there's no interference from that at all.
And the other thing I wanted to do before we start
is he told us a story about hangers
that flew out of the laundry room and down the hall.
So I looked in there. There's no hangers.
But I found a few, so I'm gonna hang them up right now.
And we have a camera on it, so we'll see if anything moves
or, hopefully, we'll catch it go flying.
As a tactic,
we want to allow Justin to just sit there quietly
and kind of feel the space.
And if there is something that's going to happen,
maybe it will reach out,
because, up to this point, he's been talking a lot.
And now, he's almost in a meditative state,
which is very different from when we first got here.
What we're looking for is to see
if he becomes uncomfortable in his own skin,
especially once we introduce the Palo Santo
and the holy water.
[Aaron] Whoa!
- Justin, do you try to communicate... - Yes, sir.
...with what's in here?
- Not necessarily. - No?
But sometimes I--
I-- I can't really control it.
I haven't found out how to control it yet.
Things speak to me.
Sometimes it's gargles,
and I can't ever understand it.
But sometimes it's a subtle-- a subtle voice.
So I don't go out of my way to communicate with it,
with anything, really.
But when it comes, you know,
uh, you ain't got no choice but to hear it.
But to make sense of it is minuscule.
What I'm gonna do right now is
I'm gonna move into the kitchen,
and I'm gonna light the Palo Santo.
But we're not gonna make him aware of it.
I'm just gonna light it, and I'm gonna walk down the hall.
And we will see if there's any type of reaction.
When I get to him in the room with the Palo Santo lit,
I'll take out the holy water,
and we'll see.
How does this make you feel?
A little different.
How have you felt since you've been in here,
sitting in here?
My chest is heavy.
Heaviness?
Yeah.
I had tingling in my fingertips.
But my chest is really heavy.
Just marking. I heard something to review.
While we were doing the observation experiment with Justin,
I kept hearing on the wall next to me,
it sounded like tapping or scratching.
And I'd point at Jay
to get him to get his microphone pointing that way,
and he could hear it, too.
Be vocal about anything you're feeling
or thinking about or--
Yeah.
I felt a very cool misty wave as you spray,
like... like you've been outside.
So no feelings of aggression or anything like that?
- You just feel calm and cool. - No.
I haven't really felt no aggression.
We were thinking, with Justin,
if he had an attachment, he would get angry
and not like that.
But it was quite the opposite.
[Billy] I think we're good.
I think we can release you and we're gonna continue.
I'm gonna put XLS on and reshoot that.
You guys see if anything comes through the Polterpod.
[static from device]
Can you speak up?
If you see us, that means we're communicating.
Are you bad?
Are you negative?
Hey, we saw you hiding out over here.
We just wanna help, man.
We're not here to kick you out.
I'm just here to relay a message.
Is there anything you'd like to tell them?
-"Just"? - Yeah.
"Just" what?
Wait. What's his name?
Justin?
- Oh! It's saying "Justin." - Dude!
It was trying to say "Justin"!
It said "Justin"?
- It said, "Just." -"Just."
Yeah, I heard that from nerve.
Oh, my God!
Oh, I got chills.
What about Justin?
-"Just" again. -"Just" again.
Yeah, same thing.
[Jay] During the Polterpod session,
I was monitoring and could hear it from nerve center.
It sounded, twice,
the same voice was trying to say "Justin,"
which was-- I thought was pretty interesting.
[static from device]
Dude, it said-- we think it said--
trying to say Justin's name. It kept saying it.
[Billy] You wanna know what's weird?
I haven't felt one single thing
since we've been here.
- No? - Not one.
How about you?
I've heard some things.
And then what Aaron and I got was peculiar.
- I'm not sure what it was, but-- - I could--
- I heard the voice. I heard it. - Yeah.
I do wanna say, sitting out here at nerve,
I can hear a lot of scratching and noises from outside.
But it's super-windy out.
- [Aaron] Mmm. - Oh, so maybe the scratches--
He did say that wall right there,
it leads to his backyard.
So if there's bushes or something there,
it might be worth us checking out
to see if there's any kind of bush
or anything against the house.
We definitely need to send someone in the back to check that out.
Hey, how did we get dragged into going out with Bill?
- [Billy] Someone's gotta-- - Right now, we're here, all three of us.
How did this just happen?
[Billy] Someone's got to film it.
I got all this.
[Aaron] There was scratching and knocking on the wall,
which later we went outside and checked out.
[Billy] I was expecting to see trees and bushes
that were brushing up against the house,
and there weren't any.
That's the bedroom, dude.
This is the wall.
There's no bush.
Hey, Jay, tell me if you can hear this, okay?
Yeah, I could totally hear that.
Okay. Can you hear this?
Do you hear that?
No, I'm not hearing that.
See, that's the only thing that would be the noise,
hitting that.
Yeah, I heard the first stuff you were doing
and it sounded very scratchy.
See, that's it.
Okay.
- It's gotta be right here. - [camerawoman] So it's not the wind.
Right here.
- Yeah. - Yeah, I hear that tapping.
- That's what we were hearing in there. - Mmm-hmm.
Yeah, nothing out here would be hitting the wall.
I'm gonna use the direct link, see if we can get that Justin again,
or "Just."
[static on device]
What's... going on?
[camerawoman] They were going wild before, though.
We know that you know that we're here,
so just talk to us.
Make those lights light up.
Throw something over.
Make the baby toy start playing in the crib.
What more can we do, though? Well--
We haven't done any digital recorder.
Yeah, so we should at least do that.
We could take full-spectrum photos.
We could take UV photos.
We've been told the very first paranormal activity moment
in this house was right here.
Is there anything you would like to tell us
about the family?
Is there anything you'd like to tell us about yourself?
We're going to start here.
Is there anything you would like to tell us
about the family?
Is there anything you'd like to tell us about yourself?
- Nothing. - Mmm-mmm.
We know what we saw and heard
in our experiences here.
Thank you.
Is there anything we can do to help you
get out of this area?
We saw you hiding earlier.
Why?
Is there anything you want to tell us
and we can help you with?
Is there anything we can do to help you
get out of this area?
We saw you hiding earlier.
Why?
Is there anything you want to tell us
and we can help you with?
Nothin'.
Who's in this room?
What do you want Justin to know?
What's your intent with Justin?
Do you want us to leave?
What's your intent with Justin?
Do you want us to leave?
- Yeah. Nothing. - Nothing again.
- Anything? - Nothing in any of the rooms.
- [Billy] Wow - It's so clear.
- You could tell there's nothing. - [Aaron] Yeah.
You could tell. Nothing.
We ran sessions in the guest room. We went into Gracie's room.
Nothing. And then we even went back into the bedroom
where we had gotten great communication.
Nothing.
Right now, I'm gonna go in there with Paranormal Puck 2.
We don't know if they're intelligent enough
to answer questions.
- Maybe-- - He's claiming they are.
So then let's go ask some questions, then.
Where should we put the puck?
- [camerawoman] On the bed? - [Aaron] On the bed?
- Wait. Where-- - Because that's where she was touched.
Okay.
No response, no response, no response.
Let me ask another question.
Do you know Justin?
[digital voice] In.
[Billy] "In."
Do you know Justin? "In."
Something else the Paranormal Puck said tonight
that I didn't put together until later,
hearing what they got on the Polterpod,
where it was trying to say, "Justin."
But it only said, "Just."
"I-N" showed up on the Paranormal Puck.
I don't know if that's anything,
but it's kind of weird.
It's finishing the sentence.
What did you do to him during this-- tonight?
Like, what are you-- Hang on.
"Heavy, sad."
Dude, didn't he feel a heavy sen-- on his chest?
Yes.
Have you felt since you've been in here?
My chest is heavy.
My chest is really heavy.
[camerawoman] That fits the vibe he felt.
[Aaron] Yeah.
Can you give us a name?
[digital voice] Aunt.
[Billy] "Aunt."
- Sandra. -"Sandra"!
"Aunt Sandra." What?
- [Aaron] Hey! When that's-- - Didn't he have a--
Didn't he say he had a family relative who was--
Do you realize what just happened?
- Didn't he say that? - I asked it to give me a name.
And out of all the words, it gave me a name.
"Sandra."
It said, "Aunt Sandra."
It says, "Sandra."
[camerawoman] So what if he has an Aunt Sandra?
[Billy] I don't know.
There you are.
- Hey, how you doing? - Hey, Justin.
[Zak] How you doing, man?
I'm all right now. How about you?
Good, good.
How have things been at your house since we've left?
It comes and goes. It's the same.
You know, uh,
I took a video of an entity the other night
coming through my curtain
of my bedroom window as I was sitting at my desk.
My nervous system got paralyzed.
And I had barely made it to my bathroom to shower,
and my girlfriend put the hot water on it
and had to spray my legs to get them to loosen up.
But that's just one of many examples.
They come and go, you know.
Okay. Um, you know, this was an interesting case for us,
because obviously even you said
that this has become your life.
It has overtaken your life.
And I feel as though from an observational standpoint,
you are really obsessed.
You know, even your family says
that you're really obsessed with seeing these ghosts and--
and capturing them on your camera phone
and things like that.
Now, a lot of what you claimed are spirits and ghosts,
um, you know, we think that we could debunk a lot of that.
Okay? And there was there was something on the mirror
that you said was possibly a spirit.
And then my team was able to see
it was a mark on the mirror.
And then you said that the spirits leave that residue on the mirror.
[Justin] They always leave a smudge when they come through.
It leaves an imprint.
You know, if we were able to debunk something,
you would immediately come back and justify,
"No, that is a ghost."
But let me ask you a question.
- Um, you said that... - Okay.
...what's been going on has questioned your sanity,
and you're a very sound person.
- Yes. - Um,
with what has been happening at your home,
has your family, your girlfriend,
your daughter,
are they being attacked by forces there at the house?
Are they being scratched?
Are they in a state of oppression?
Are they depressed?
Are they going through really bad times
that you think are attributed to this spirit?
Yes, they've both been attacked in the past
and their emotions--
- Because it was weird. - Uh--
Once we got there, you know, your daughter,
your girlfriend, a lot of them,
were just saying more about how it's all on you
and how you have an obsession to this.
And it's that obsession with it
is what's driving them crazy,
not necessarily the spirits.
Here's the thing. This is a difficult case,
because I'm not gonna come here and say,
"You know what, Justin?
There's no ghost in your house.
You're crazy."
I'm not gonna say that
because I don't personally know you.
And I wasn't there,
nor was my team for every other event.
We were only there for one short time.
But in that short time, we can pick up a lot.
We've done so many of these types of cases
that we're very in tune with what we perceive
when we arrive there,
your interviews, your mannerisms,
the way my team feels in your environment,
the evidence that we get on our equipment.
And we just didn't document a whole lot.
However, I'm not telling you, Justin,
that there's no spirits in your house.
You do live on land that is very much cursed
attributed to dark history.
And you could very well be experiencing an attachment.
There is something that we did find
that I want to share with you.
And I want to ask you about this.
Do you have any aunts?
Yes, I have one, Sandy,
or Sandra.
Can you give us a name?
[digital voice] Aunt.
[Billy] "Aunt."
- Sandra. - Pause it.
Billy.
How does this Paranormal Puck 2 device do this?
I am mind-blown.
This tops all Paranormal Puck evidence we've ever captured.
Well, how does that make any sense?
Like, what does this mean?
[digital voice] Aunt Sandra.
What does that mean, Justin?
Why is your aunt's name coming through?
You know, when my mother passed in 2010,
my whole life growing up,
she always told me that, you know, when she passed,
not to worry about nothing and dah, dah, dah.
But when she was--
when she passed, I wasn't around.
So my Aunt Sandy was given power of attorney.
All of a sudden, everything is just gone.
- Wow. - So it's just gonna be like a question
that me and my daughter has been talking about.
Why would they hide or squander all, you know,
the money, and this and that?
I have chills right now.
But to top all this off,
Billy, I want you to play for him the, uh...
I am chilled up.
Can you play with him the Ovilus right now?
- I want you to play that right now. - Yes.
[Aaron] What did you do to him during this-- tonight?
Like, what are you-- Hang on.
"Heavy, sad."
Dude, didn't he feel a heavy sen-- on his chest?
Yes.
[Billy] How have you felt since you've been in here?
My chest is heavy.
My chest is really heavy.
The remarkable intelligence and relevance
that we received through this,
Aunt Sandra, "heavy, sad."
Is this your mother?
Is this your mother trying to tell you,
"Justin, Aunt Sandra."
Something to do with Aunt Sandra.
When is the last time you spoke to your Aunt Sandra?
Probably a year and a half, at least.
Are you guys on bad terms?
Yeah. Losing everything that was really rightfully mine
and my-- and my daughter's, you know.
I feel she did me wrong.
I'm almost thinking that your mother
is trying to reach out to you,
and she wants you to talk to your Aunt Sandra
and to try to patch all of this up.
Because it might be a conflict
between our living world and the spirit world.
And your mother doesn't like seeing you like this
and seeing the relationship like that.
I'm theorizing,
but I have good intuition based on this stuff.
Sometimes when a living person has some unfinished business
or some type of conflict going on with another living person
that's directly related,
it creates this triangle of not good energy.
And when you have that, it can attract other things,
just like in a haunted house when you get bad spirits.
Sometimes it doesn't--
you don't have to have a bad person that died there.
You just have to have a bad event
with a lot of anger, with a lot of bad vibes,
and that can attract this energy
because they feed off of that.
I agree. I agree.
So, I don't know. Maybe call your aunt Sandra.
Maybe try to get it all out on the table
and maybe some type of resolution,
even though you don't cure this 100%,
the attempt that you made to get this off your chest
might then kind of make your mother
a little bit more at ease.
So I would say possibly call your Aunt Sandra
because this means something.
Yeah. I'll reach out to her and see.
- Okay, try that. - Absolutely.
And we'll check back with you, Justin.
- Okay? - Awesome.
All right, Justin.
- Thank you. - All right, buddy.
Thanks, Justin.