1 00:00:02,711 --> 00:00:04,711 ♪ dramatic music playing ♪ 2 00:00:11,887 --> 00:00:13,507 [audience cheering] 3 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:30,993 [audience cheering] 4 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:41,956 - The idea of sexuality and what was sexy during the 2000s 5 00:00:41,959 --> 00:00:46,049 was really a radical and fast change. 6 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:50,046 There was all this romance about the original muse, Victoria. 7 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:55,100 How smart, educated, and well-raised that she was. 8 00:00:55,097 --> 00:00:57,557 FREDERIQUE VAN DER WAL: That projects normal kind of woman 9 00:00:57,558 --> 00:00:58,978 who likes to feel beautiful. 10 00:00:58,976 --> 00:01:00,636 Nothing sleazy. 11 00:01:00,644 --> 00:01:03,984 - And that was just not resonating anymore. 12 00:01:06,358 --> 00:01:07,688 - If it seems to you that every year, 13 00:01:07,693 --> 00:01:10,953 the ads selling lingerie are getting more and more, 14 00:01:11,446 --> 00:01:13,776 well, shall we say revealing, you'd be right. 15 00:01:13,782 --> 00:01:16,872 In fact, the people who sell lingerie and manufacture it 16 00:01:16,869 --> 00:01:19,199 say that the ads have always reflected 17 00:01:19,204 --> 00:01:23,134 the way women see themselves and the way society sees them. 18 00:01:23,125 --> 00:01:25,495 ♪ rock music playing ♪ 19 00:01:29,256 --> 00:01:30,216 LES WEXNER: You go around a room 20 00:01:30,215 --> 00:01:32,795 and the room could be filled with female executives. 21 00:01:32,801 --> 00:01:34,721 And you say, "Does everybody understand 22 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,600 that Victoria's Secret is about sexy?" 23 00:01:36,597 --> 00:01:39,177 And everybody says, "Yes." And then you say, "Which sexy is it?" 24 00:01:39,183 --> 00:01:42,853 Then you have a big debate about what is the essence of sexy 25 00:01:42,853 --> 00:01:45,363 as it relates to the Victoria's Secret brand. 26 00:01:46,773 --> 00:01:52,203 - That's where the Wexner story and the larger story of the culture cross. 27 00:01:52,196 --> 00:01:56,736 It exploited things that were already going on in the culture. 28 00:01:56,742 --> 00:02:00,452 It was the exploitation of sex to sell things. 29 00:02:04,416 --> 00:02:06,246 CINDY FEDUS-FIELDS: In the late '90s, 30 00:02:06,251 --> 00:02:09,131 the President of the United States 31 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:11,129 had an affair with an intern. 32 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:12,761 PERSON 1: Monica, look over here! Monica! 33 00:02:12,758 --> 00:02:13,798 PERSON 2: Monica! 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,600 - And I think there was a shift 35 00:02:16,595 --> 00:02:19,305 in the thinking of the American public. 36 00:02:19,306 --> 00:02:21,346 REPORTER: How can a President facing 37 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:23,140 embarrassing sexual allegations 38 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:24,693 go up in the polls? 39 00:02:24,686 --> 00:02:27,856 - That some of this risky business 40 00:02:27,856 --> 00:02:30,226 might be more acceptable, 41 00:02:30,234 --> 00:02:33,454 and Les may have realized that, 42 00:02:33,445 --> 00:02:36,865 and that is why he chose 43 00:02:36,865 --> 00:02:41,905 to drive the brand imaging into a sexier mode. 44 00:02:41,912 --> 00:02:44,672 This was the image of the catalog. 45 00:02:44,665 --> 00:02:49,335 Tasteful, classy, covered-up lingerie on the covers. 46 00:02:49,336 --> 00:02:54,336 This was our big spring issue and Les and Ed Razek, 47 00:02:54,341 --> 00:02:58,141 who was the leader of creative marketing, 48 00:02:58,136 --> 00:03:02,636 came to my office because they wanted to see the cover options. 49 00:03:02,641 --> 00:03:05,891 And the statement was, "They're not sexy enough." 50 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:11,900 When the Angels appeared, the English image went away. 51 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:16,280 Here they are in 2000 in their bras and panties 52 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,910 emerging from a spaceship. 53 00:03:19,741 --> 00:03:23,451 NARRATOR: Victoria's Secret introduces Angels 2000. 54 00:03:24,454 --> 00:03:25,754 CINDY: At this point in time, 55 00:03:25,747 --> 00:03:30,037 I realized that the original Victoria was dead. 56 00:03:31,003 --> 00:03:34,513 She'd been killed off by Angels in the spaceship, 57 00:03:35,215 --> 00:03:37,835 by cabaret dancers. 58 00:03:40,804 --> 00:03:43,354 The earth Angels. 59 00:03:45,517 --> 00:03:51,267 We moved into the more aggressively sexy point of view. 60 00:03:51,273 --> 00:03:54,323 That's the leap the brand made. 61 00:03:57,196 --> 00:03:59,196 - This was the era of Sex and the City. 62 00:03:59,198 --> 00:04:01,328 Sex was at the forefront of that show 63 00:04:01,325 --> 00:04:03,735 and at the forefront of female empowerment. 64 00:04:04,328 --> 00:04:07,788 The brand, you know, grew from that same 65 00:04:07,789 --> 00:04:10,959 cultural movement of women taking back their sexuality, 66 00:04:10,959 --> 00:04:13,799 owning their sexuality, feeling empowered. 67 00:04:13,795 --> 00:04:16,125 And I think that that was a big part 68 00:04:16,131 --> 00:04:19,551 of what drove the brand's success at that time. 69 00:04:21,762 --> 00:04:25,722 Obviously, this was 20 years ago and the culture was very different. 70 00:04:27,893 --> 00:04:31,273 - Absolutely, like, bang on, you know, the correct positioning, 71 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:35,941 and how they got to phase one of their next level of growth. 72 00:04:36,902 --> 00:04:41,452 And that's how Les and Ed really positioned the brand. 73 00:04:43,075 --> 00:04:44,695 ED RAZEK: Are you from Brazil? MODEL 1: I am. 74 00:04:45,911 --> 00:04:47,291 - From where? MODEL 2: Brazil. 75 00:04:48,664 --> 00:04:50,874 - Are you from Brazil? MODEL 3: Yeah. 76 00:04:50,874 --> 00:04:53,544 PERSON: Is there anyone left there? - Yeah, I think so. 77 00:04:53,544 --> 00:04:55,384 [all laughing] 78 00:04:55,379 --> 00:04:59,259 - Ed Razek was like the Hollywood arm of the business. 79 00:04:59,258 --> 00:05:01,928 He was with the models, and the runway shows, 80 00:05:01,927 --> 00:05:05,137 and he had to deal with the commercials and marketing. 81 00:05:05,138 --> 00:05:07,348 ED: We work it constantly. 82 00:05:07,349 --> 00:05:11,059 We work every aspect of this, and none, none of it's accidental. 83 00:05:13,188 --> 00:05:15,518 SHARLEEN ERNSTER: We did Venn diagrams and graphs, 84 00:05:15,524 --> 00:05:16,784 and we had a whole team 85 00:05:16,775 --> 00:05:19,485 that just would forecast what is sexy now. 86 00:05:23,949 --> 00:05:25,869 SARA ZOFKO: It was like, here's the plan, 87 00:05:25,868 --> 00:05:27,238 here's the pathway, 88 00:05:27,244 --> 00:05:29,294 and here's the data behind it. 89 00:05:29,288 --> 00:05:31,578 You know, we talk about things being data-driven now. 90 00:05:31,582 --> 00:05:34,082 This is 20 years ago. It was very data-driven. 91 00:05:35,794 --> 00:05:37,504 SHARLEEN: From the research, 92 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:40,594 we built this machine that created the Angels, 93 00:05:40,591 --> 00:05:43,471 and built on supermodels and perfection, 94 00:05:43,468 --> 00:05:47,058 and this unattainable sexy that was, 95 00:05:47,055 --> 00:05:50,225 "I wanna be that so bad, I'll just buy it." [laughs] 96 00:05:51,185 --> 00:05:55,645 It was embodied by the supermodels that were part of our brand. 97 00:05:58,859 --> 00:06:02,569 - I think several years ago, supermodels were reluctant 98 00:06:02,571 --> 00:06:04,911 to, uh, do lingerie advertising of any kind. 99 00:06:04,907 --> 00:06:06,407 And if you look around the room now, 100 00:06:06,408 --> 00:06:09,368 I think you'll essentially see nothing but supermodels. 101 00:06:10,454 --> 00:06:13,424 - Supermodels had almost gone to the next level 102 00:06:13,415 --> 00:06:16,245 and became these kind of celebrities. 103 00:06:16,251 --> 00:06:18,091 They weren't even supermodels anymore. 104 00:06:18,086 --> 00:06:19,546 They became something else. 105 00:06:20,047 --> 00:06:23,127 - I told my modeling agency to call Victoria secret 106 00:06:23,133 --> 00:06:25,013 because they put girls on the map. 107 00:06:27,429 --> 00:06:30,599 - People all over the place, all of a sudden, would know who I am. 108 00:06:30,599 --> 00:06:32,809 It made me kind of a household name. 109 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:34,809 [people shouting "Heidi"] 110 00:06:38,982 --> 00:06:40,982 [indistinct chatter] 111 00:06:45,614 --> 00:06:47,454 IVAN BART: I think that was a big shift 112 00:06:47,449 --> 00:06:50,909 where it became very desirable to work for the brand. 113 00:06:50,911 --> 00:06:54,081 They invested in the models that worked for them. 114 00:06:54,081 --> 00:06:58,041 They gave them the media training and they gave them the tools 115 00:06:58,043 --> 00:07:01,513 to be able to communicate what that brand message was. 116 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:08,218 - They'd be traveling to the stores, they'd be featured in all the campaigns, 117 00:07:08,220 --> 00:07:12,060 they'd be working pretty much all year round for Victoria's Secret. 118 00:07:13,642 --> 00:07:15,142 JAMES SCULLY: It wasn't just being an Angel, 119 00:07:15,143 --> 00:07:18,273 you represented fragrance, you represented lingerie, 120 00:07:18,272 --> 00:07:22,612 you represented all the things that models make the most money for doing. 121 00:07:22,609 --> 00:07:27,069 Those contracts were really lucrative, in the millions of dollars. 122 00:07:27,072 --> 00:07:31,662 - We're professional girls. We know how to act when the camera is on. 123 00:07:36,164 --> 00:07:38,584 ALESSANDRA AMBROSIO: I think Victoria's Secret's like the most important. 124 00:07:38,584 --> 00:07:42,054 I think that's what girls want to do when they turn to a model 125 00:07:42,045 --> 00:07:44,665 and they come to America. That's where they wanna reach. 126 00:07:44,673 --> 00:07:48,843 And totally, like, this thing here, like, all of us, you know, that's-- 127 00:07:48,844 --> 00:07:50,264 It couldn't be better. 128 00:07:54,308 --> 00:07:55,638 ♪ 129 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:01,769 - Creating a brand is making a movie. 130 00:08:01,773 --> 00:08:03,443 [drum rolls] 131 00:08:05,903 --> 00:08:07,203 It was very easy for me 132 00:08:07,196 --> 00:08:08,906 to make a movie in my mind. 133 00:08:08,906 --> 00:08:10,196 I had that ability. 134 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:12,779 I do see myself as the studio head, 135 00:08:12,784 --> 00:08:15,044 so it means I get to review the scripts, 136 00:08:15,037 --> 00:08:17,577 make sure everybody stays on story. 137 00:08:17,581 --> 00:08:18,961 You have to have an idea. 138 00:08:18,957 --> 00:08:21,667 You have to bring all the creative talent together. 139 00:08:21,668 --> 00:08:25,668 But I think that that translates directly to fashion brands. 140 00:08:28,091 --> 00:08:30,141 ED: We try to make all of our commercials 141 00:08:30,135 --> 00:08:31,545 feel like movies. 142 00:08:32,387 --> 00:08:35,217 What distinguishes our commercials from most 143 00:08:35,224 --> 00:08:37,684 is that we put into them an aspiration 144 00:08:37,684 --> 00:08:39,984 and to do things that no one else would do. 145 00:08:43,815 --> 00:08:47,065 We're out in the Mojave desert in California, 146 00:08:47,069 --> 00:08:51,159 shooting the holiday commercial with the legendary director Michael Bay. 147 00:08:51,823 --> 00:08:54,453 - I told them their commercials were too soft. 148 00:08:54,451 --> 00:08:59,081 And, uh, so we kind of made 'em a little harder-edged, sexier. 149 00:08:59,915 --> 00:09:01,245 MONICA CORBIN: It's lingerie, but, you know, 150 00:09:01,250 --> 00:09:04,960 Michael Bay is, like, doing explosions and pyrotechnics. 151 00:09:05,587 --> 00:09:08,377 It's, like, mostly legs walking to you, 152 00:09:08,382 --> 00:09:12,262 and it's dark and sultry, and, like, he definitely set a mood. 153 00:09:13,762 --> 00:09:15,472 MINDY MEADS: That was part of the culture. 154 00:09:16,014 --> 00:09:17,854 If you need to spend money 155 00:09:17,850 --> 00:09:20,890 to create what you're trying to create in this ambiance, 156 00:09:20,894 --> 00:09:22,694 then you spend that money. 157 00:09:22,688 --> 00:09:24,228 ♪ 158 00:09:29,695 --> 00:09:32,155 That was Les' philosophy. 159 00:09:32,155 --> 00:09:33,485 ♪ 160 00:09:40,581 --> 00:09:42,671 - This is a business that's run by women, 161 00:09:42,666 --> 00:09:45,376 uh, the president's a woman, all of the senior executives, 162 00:09:45,377 --> 00:09:47,417 virtually all of the senior executives are women. 163 00:09:47,421 --> 00:09:48,921 All of the stores are run by women. 164 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:52,472 This is a business meant to be 165 00:09:52,467 --> 00:09:55,097 designed for, by, and to women. 166 00:09:56,263 --> 00:10:01,853 - Les Wexner certainly hired some fantastic female executives. 167 00:10:01,852 --> 00:10:05,362 And I don't think he hired them for window dressing at all. 168 00:10:05,355 --> 00:10:08,435 He was proud of their success, 169 00:10:08,442 --> 00:10:10,612 but he took that success as his own. 170 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:14,109 - When I was there, I definitely felt like 171 00:10:14,114 --> 00:10:17,084 I was surrounded by a lot of great women leaders. 172 00:10:17,075 --> 00:10:19,575 But if you get down to it, the people who ran the company, 173 00:10:19,578 --> 00:10:21,998 or who were the leaders, or the head of the company, 174 00:10:21,997 --> 00:10:24,287 it was Les Wexner and Ed Razek. 175 00:10:26,251 --> 00:10:28,251 LES: I can remember being in the UK. 176 00:10:28,253 --> 00:10:32,933 The most popular single garment they sold was the thong. 177 00:10:32,925 --> 00:10:35,135 I said, I said, "Maybe we should sell thongs." 178 00:10:35,135 --> 00:10:36,965 And so, the ladies that were running Victoria's Secret 179 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:38,560 said, "Oh, that's really trashy." 180 00:10:38,555 --> 00:10:40,675 And I said, "Let's try it and see." 181 00:10:44,061 --> 00:10:46,481 SHARLEEN: Our inspiration in the design house 182 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,860 was femininity from a woman's point of view, 183 00:10:48,857 --> 00:10:51,687 not femininity from a man's point of view. 184 00:10:51,693 --> 00:10:55,363 We did boards on what's sexy now, and we tried to affect him, 185 00:10:55,364 --> 00:10:59,374 but... that was always in direct opposition 186 00:10:59,368 --> 00:11:02,158 of how Les saw sexy, 187 00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:06,582 and in direct opposition on how Ed saw sexy. 188 00:11:07,084 --> 00:11:08,594 MICHAEL BAY: Victoria's Secret women's version. 189 00:11:08,585 --> 00:11:11,705 - Ladies, this is the show you just can't miss. 190 00:11:11,713 --> 00:11:15,343 The fashions, the fabrics, the color. Here on CBS. 191 00:11:15,342 --> 00:11:15,972 MICHAEL BAY: Men's version. 192 00:11:15,968 --> 00:11:19,428 - Lots of beautiful women. 193 00:11:19,429 --> 00:11:23,429 Very little clothing. 194 00:11:26,228 --> 00:11:29,268 SHARLEEN: Time and time again, we couldn't get past Ed. 195 00:11:29,273 --> 00:11:31,363 He had the power to shut down an idea, 196 00:11:31,358 --> 00:11:34,858 and if Les happened to be there, Les backed him. 197 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:37,699 There was a security between the two. 198 00:11:39,032 --> 00:11:41,292 Les wanted nothing to do with maternity, 199 00:11:41,285 --> 00:11:42,735 he wanted nothing to do with shapewear, 200 00:11:42,744 --> 00:11:46,214 he wanted nothing to do with comfort, you know? 201 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:49,536 It was just like, boom, this woman shot out of a cannon 202 00:11:49,543 --> 00:11:53,343 that was born perfect, and impossible to become, 203 00:11:53,338 --> 00:11:57,468 and then made better by push-ups and padding. 204 00:11:58,552 --> 00:12:00,352 So, no matter what we did, 205 00:12:00,345 --> 00:12:03,555 Ed was going to make the decision on how our swimwear looked, 206 00:12:03,557 --> 00:12:05,677 how our lingerie was shot, 207 00:12:05,684 --> 00:12:10,064 and how, how that projection of our brand looked. 208 00:12:12,816 --> 00:12:15,106 NARRATOR: Bring me to my knees. 209 00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:17,030 [Christmas bells playing] 210 00:12:22,826 --> 00:12:25,946 - By 2005, and definitely even by 2007, 211 00:12:25,954 --> 00:12:29,634 as were, it started to split, you know, at the seams. 212 00:12:30,959 --> 00:12:35,839 We were just following the bombshell, unattainable, 213 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:39,589 single vision of how men see women. 214 00:12:39,593 --> 00:12:44,223 And it was really frustrating to all of us internally at Victoria's Secret. 215 00:12:47,684 --> 00:12:50,234 MICHAEL GROSS: If there was a gap 216 00:12:50,229 --> 00:12:54,529 between fashion and soft-core pornography, 217 00:12:54,525 --> 00:12:58,235 what Victoria's Secret did was inch it closer and closer 218 00:12:58,237 --> 00:13:00,527 until it was almost touching. 219 00:13:02,115 --> 00:13:05,285 CINDY: I remember, in the beginning, 220 00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:10,115 Les showed me a Playboy magazine. 221 00:13:10,749 --> 00:13:14,499 And he wanted to make the point 222 00:13:14,503 --> 00:13:18,723 that the models had perfect bodies, 223 00:13:18,715 --> 00:13:22,635 and no freckles or moles. 224 00:13:22,636 --> 00:13:25,056 I don't know if your camera's catching this, 225 00:13:25,055 --> 00:13:27,515 but I'm loaded with freckles. 226 00:13:29,268 --> 00:13:31,478 He was so adamant 227 00:13:31,478 --> 00:13:36,018 that I go after perfect women, 228 00:13:36,024 --> 00:13:40,494 à la sexy girls next door, 229 00:13:40,487 --> 00:13:45,697 that he actually made arrangements for me to fly to Chicago 230 00:13:45,701 --> 00:13:47,911 and have lunch with Christie Hefner. 231 00:13:48,704 --> 00:13:50,624 ♪ tense music playing ♪ 232 00:13:59,506 --> 00:14:01,676 ♪ 233 00:14:05,387 --> 00:14:08,637 LYNDSEY SCOTT: Growing up, I would see all these Victoria's Secret advertisements. 234 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,900 I never noticed any advertisements for any other fashion brands. 235 00:14:12,895 --> 00:14:16,855 So, I think they definitely pushed it out to the public 236 00:14:16,857 --> 00:14:19,437 in a way that a lot of other companies weren't. 237 00:14:20,027 --> 00:14:21,607 They took one fantasy and ran with it. 238 00:14:22,321 --> 00:14:25,321 - A lot of you were about 9 or 10 years old 239 00:14:25,324 --> 00:14:28,454 when we started putting this show on CBS, 240 00:14:28,452 --> 00:14:32,622 uh, and started watching it and thought-- and I'll bet thought to yourselves, 241 00:14:32,623 --> 00:14:35,423 "Boy, I hope someday I can do that." 242 00:14:51,808 --> 00:14:54,898 - Some of you learned how to walk in high heels, 243 00:14:54,895 --> 00:14:59,565 watching the Victoria's Secret Show over and over again. 244 00:15:00,442 --> 00:15:03,612 LYNDSEY: For me, fantasies are more effective 245 00:15:03,612 --> 00:15:05,702 when there's a diversity to them. 246 00:15:06,406 --> 00:15:10,786 And... a lot of the models looked the same, 247 00:15:10,786 --> 00:15:15,366 not a lot of different body types at the time, 248 00:15:15,374 --> 00:15:18,544 uh... not racially diverse. 249 00:15:19,378 --> 00:15:21,128 It became clear to me 250 00:15:21,129 --> 00:15:24,839 that Victoria's Secret wasn't empowering women. 251 00:15:24,842 --> 00:15:28,012 They used such a narrow idea of beauty in their marketing, 252 00:15:28,011 --> 00:15:30,181 that it was doing the complete opposite. 253 00:15:30,180 --> 00:15:33,350 It was making women feel badly about themselves. 254 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:35,810 REPORTER 1: Women are at war with their bodies. 255 00:15:35,811 --> 00:15:37,691 From grandmothers to teenagers, 256 00:15:37,688 --> 00:15:42,478 studies show 60 to 80% of American women want to be thinner than they are. 257 00:15:42,484 --> 00:15:46,494 - Young children are being affected by imagery every single day. 258 00:15:46,488 --> 00:15:48,988 REPORTER 2: 89% of teenage girls 259 00:15:48,991 --> 00:15:51,661 feel the fashion industry pressures them to be skinnier. 260 00:15:51,660 --> 00:15:54,960 - Nothing ever changes in terms of the people they put on the runway. 261 00:15:54,955 --> 00:15:57,535 An average American woman is a size 14. 262 00:15:57,541 --> 00:15:58,711 Plain and simple. 263 00:15:58,709 --> 00:16:00,629 It's very frustrating sitting here watching. 264 00:16:02,546 --> 00:16:04,666 - Definitely, they've been a big part of 265 00:16:04,673 --> 00:16:07,593 creating an image that is almost unattainable. 266 00:16:08,302 --> 00:16:10,102 It's not just Victoria's Secret, 267 00:16:10,095 --> 00:16:13,555 but the whole modeling industry in general. 268 00:16:14,850 --> 00:16:18,730 - You have to watch what you eat. Very important. 269 00:16:20,439 --> 00:16:24,359 - I was even told when I was 123 pounds to lose 10 pounds 270 00:16:24,359 --> 00:16:25,779 and to go to 113... PERSON 1: Oh, wow. 271 00:16:25,777 --> 00:16:26,817 - ...because I was-- PERSON 2: At your height? 272 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:28,860 - At 5'10 because I was so curvy. 273 00:16:28,864 --> 00:16:30,874 And they were like, "That's just too much." 274 00:16:32,784 --> 00:16:34,664 - I didn't have an eating disorder, 275 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:38,791 but I didn't eat very much for 10 years. 276 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:41,460 You became very self-aware, 277 00:16:41,460 --> 00:16:44,000 having to live up to those ideals all the time. 278 00:16:46,423 --> 00:16:50,433 I felt like I lost... a part of myself in that world. 279 00:16:52,304 --> 00:16:56,524 - Today, people howl about the effects of Instagram on young girls. 280 00:16:56,517 --> 00:17:00,557 At the time, Victoria's Secret was the analog version of the same thing. 281 00:17:03,524 --> 00:17:05,324 ASHLEY MEARS: Traditional forms of media, 282 00:17:05,317 --> 00:17:07,487 or pre-social media forms of marketing 283 00:17:07,486 --> 00:17:10,066 have been playing on our insecurities 284 00:17:10,072 --> 00:17:12,122 and making us feel, uh, poor, 285 00:17:12,115 --> 00:17:15,115 making us feel fatter, making us feel uglier. 286 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:19,499 It creates a tremendous kind of pressure on most women 287 00:17:19,498 --> 00:17:21,288 who actually can't look like this. 288 00:17:22,251 --> 00:17:23,921 These are bodies that are just extremely thin, 289 00:17:23,919 --> 00:17:26,169 but, but also somehow curvy, 290 00:17:26,171 --> 00:17:30,761 which is usually only attainable through extreme dieting, 291 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:34,809 and, uh, and fitness regimens, and plastic surgery. 292 00:17:37,516 --> 00:17:40,226 - Now, you know how to train like Angel. 293 00:17:42,479 --> 00:17:44,439 - One of the biggest things that shocked me 294 00:17:44,439 --> 00:17:47,229 when I was behind the scenes working there, 295 00:17:47,234 --> 00:17:50,954 was I didn't realize just how much retouching is happening. 296 00:17:52,698 --> 00:17:55,948 It's an image that is retouched, 297 00:17:55,951 --> 00:17:59,201 photoshopped... changed. 298 00:17:59,204 --> 00:18:01,004 That's literally impossible. 299 00:18:00,998 --> 00:18:02,538 ♪ 300 00:18:07,588 --> 00:18:10,508 LYNDSEY: A lot of people think the modeling industry's very glamorous. 301 00:18:10,507 --> 00:18:13,887 And it is in some ways, but as you get more into it, 302 00:18:13,886 --> 00:18:19,096 you realize that there are people who allowed a lot of bad things to happen. 303 00:18:20,392 --> 00:18:21,692 MICHAEL GROSS: From the very beginnings, 304 00:18:21,685 --> 00:18:26,645 the modeling business has attracted men who wanted to exploit women. 305 00:18:27,649 --> 00:18:32,569 Even the so-called pure queen of the modeling business, Eileen Ford, 306 00:18:33,238 --> 00:18:35,028 would have parties at her house 307 00:18:35,032 --> 00:18:38,872 where she would introduce her models to wealthy friends. 308 00:18:38,869 --> 00:18:42,749 Her excuse was that she wanted to ensure that the models 309 00:18:42,748 --> 00:18:45,498 had a comfortable life after they stopped modeling, 310 00:18:45,501 --> 00:18:48,421 therefore, what they needed was rich husbands. 311 00:18:48,420 --> 00:18:52,970 So, there have always been these men hovering around 312 00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:58,176 looking for sexual rewards and financial rewards, 313 00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:02,140 and the business has always allowed them to get away with it. 314 00:19:02,142 --> 00:19:03,562 REPORTER: But one man Eileen Ford 315 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,310 does associate with in Paris 316 00:19:05,312 --> 00:19:08,072 is this man, the head of Karin Models, 317 00:19:08,065 --> 00:19:11,935 one of the largest and most prestigious agencies in the country. 318 00:19:11,944 --> 00:19:14,574 His name is Jean-Luc Brunel. 319 00:19:15,864 --> 00:19:17,534 MICHAEL GROSS: Here's a modeling agent from Paris 320 00:19:17,533 --> 00:19:21,953 who had been exposed as a super creep 321 00:19:22,955 --> 00:19:25,035 in 1988 by 60 Minutes. 322 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,420 MODEL: He is acting as a matchmaker. 323 00:19:27,417 --> 00:19:30,087 He's got the agency, he's got the girls, 324 00:19:30,087 --> 00:19:32,587 his friends say, "Oh, Jean-Luc, I'd like to have-- 325 00:19:32,589 --> 00:19:33,839 You know, I'd like to meet some girls." 326 00:19:33,841 --> 00:19:36,511 Or, "We're having a party tonight. Can you bring some girls?" 327 00:19:36,510 --> 00:19:38,220 - And what happens if you say no? 328 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:39,430 - You don't work. 329 00:19:39,888 --> 00:19:41,268 - He was abusive. 330 00:19:41,265 --> 00:19:45,845 He exploited women, particularly underage girls, 331 00:19:45,853 --> 00:19:47,483 and he fled to New York. 332 00:19:47,855 --> 00:19:51,855 And of course, that's where Jean-Luc Brunel met Jeffrey Epstein. 333 00:19:53,443 --> 00:19:57,953 Jeffrey gives Jean-Luc Brunel a million dollars to start up MC2, 334 00:19:57,948 --> 00:20:01,118 which is a modeling agency that was based in South Florida 335 00:20:01,118 --> 00:20:05,748 with satellite offices in Tel Aviv and in New York City. 336 00:20:06,540 --> 00:20:08,960 Brunel got the girls visas. 337 00:20:08,959 --> 00:20:10,789 They were put up in one of Epstein's apartments 338 00:20:10,794 --> 00:20:12,674 on East 66th Street, 339 00:20:12,671 --> 00:20:17,801 and that allowed Epstein to legally bring girls 340 00:20:17,801 --> 00:20:20,971 from all over the world into the United States 341 00:20:20,971 --> 00:20:23,811 under the guise of modeling. 342 00:20:25,767 --> 00:20:29,857 - When you talk to the women who were abused by Epstein, 343 00:20:29,855 --> 00:20:32,725 Ghislaine Maxwell, his longtime 344 00:20:32,733 --> 00:20:35,903 girlfriend / friend / fixer 345 00:20:35,903 --> 00:20:38,413 was usually the first person they talked to 346 00:20:38,405 --> 00:20:41,615 and the person who took them to go see Jeffrey. 347 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:46,159 So, she was integral to his overall scheme. 348 00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:48,330 BARRY LEVINE: They were, in essence, 349 00:20:48,332 --> 00:20:50,752 a predatory Bonnie and Clyde. 350 00:20:52,002 --> 00:20:55,012 These girls came to trust Ghislaine 351 00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:58,925 almost in a sisterly way or as a mother figure. 352 00:20:58,926 --> 00:21:03,176 And instead, she turned these girls over to Jeffrey. 353 00:21:04,389 --> 00:21:07,389 - Epstein was going to use whatever he needed 354 00:21:07,392 --> 00:21:09,522 in order to lure these girls. 355 00:21:10,145 --> 00:21:12,805 And he does this, of course, for his pleasure 356 00:21:12,814 --> 00:21:14,364 and for the pleasure of others. 357 00:21:14,358 --> 00:21:19,658 Others who he intends to influence and manipulate. 358 00:21:22,574 --> 00:21:24,124 SOPHIE ALEXANDER: In my reporting, 359 00:21:24,117 --> 00:21:26,827 we talked to someone named William Mook, 360 00:21:26,828 --> 00:21:30,368 who said that in 2005 there was a meeting 361 00:21:30,374 --> 00:21:35,804 with Ed Razek and Jeffrey Epstein at Epstein's mansion. 362 00:21:36,296 --> 00:21:39,586 And Mook said he remembers Razek saying 363 00:21:39,591 --> 00:21:42,591 Epstein's models are some of the best. 364 00:21:45,138 --> 00:21:49,058 - In the '90s, late '90s, I remember being on set 365 00:21:49,059 --> 00:21:50,889 and that people had mentioned this name. 366 00:21:50,894 --> 00:21:53,314 And then at one point, I think I was somewhere on a dinner, 367 00:21:53,313 --> 00:21:54,773 and this girl said to me, 368 00:21:54,773 --> 00:21:56,983 "I'm asked to go and see Jeffrey Epstein." 369 00:21:56,984 --> 00:22:00,954 And I go... "For Victoria's Secret?" Like, "Why?" 370 00:22:02,447 --> 00:22:03,867 "That seems unreal." 371 00:22:03,866 --> 00:22:08,246 So, the Epstein thing was rotating around. 372 00:22:08,245 --> 00:22:10,405 It was, um-- 373 00:22:10,414 --> 00:22:12,374 The few times this happened, 374 00:22:12,374 --> 00:22:16,594 it was definitely never Victoria's Secret who said to go see Epstein. 375 00:22:16,587 --> 00:22:20,337 He used Victoria's Secret as a calling card. 376 00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:22,340 [applause] 377 00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:26,757 CINDY: In the spring or summer of '93, 378 00:22:26,763 --> 00:22:29,063 it was reported to Les 379 00:22:29,057 --> 00:22:32,347 that a man was going around New York City 380 00:22:32,352 --> 00:22:35,652 portraying himself as a recruiter 381 00:22:35,647 --> 00:22:39,607 for Victoria's Secret catalog models. 382 00:22:39,610 --> 00:22:41,860 It was Jeffrey Epstein. 383 00:22:42,821 --> 00:22:45,821 And Les said he would stop it. 384 00:22:47,117 --> 00:22:49,617 I don't believe the behavior stopped. 385 00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:52,000 I believe it continued. 386 00:22:51,997 --> 00:22:53,997 ♪ 387 00:23:12,059 --> 00:23:14,099 ♪ 388 00:23:14,102 --> 00:23:15,942 REPORTER: One woman said she met with Epstein 389 00:23:15,938 --> 00:23:17,808 in a California hotel room, 390 00:23:17,814 --> 00:23:21,944 believing she was interviewing for a job as a Victoria's Secret catalog model. 391 00:23:24,404 --> 00:23:27,624 ALICIA ARDEN: I was doing a lot of lingerie catalogs. 392 00:23:27,616 --> 00:23:30,656 I'm coming off of Baywatch. I've been in Playboy. 393 00:23:30,661 --> 00:23:33,161 I'm auditioning for all these shows. 394 00:23:33,163 --> 00:23:35,123 I have a vast portfolio. 395 00:23:35,123 --> 00:23:38,503 And I thought the one thing that might be missing 396 00:23:38,502 --> 00:23:40,962 is to get in the Victoria's Secret catalog. 397 00:23:42,339 --> 00:23:47,759 In 1997, Jeffrey Epstein had come out to California. 398 00:23:49,847 --> 00:23:53,847 I had a meeting with him at Shutters Hotel in Santa Monica. 399 00:23:55,143 --> 00:23:57,233 I want to be in the Victoria's Secret catalog, 400 00:23:57,229 --> 00:24:01,109 so I said, "Okay, I'll go in the hotel room." 401 00:24:10,033 --> 00:24:12,333 I called my friend multiple times. 402 00:24:32,848 --> 00:24:35,808 And then I thought, I should really go file a police report. 403 00:24:35,809 --> 00:24:37,689 I don't know what this person just did to me. 404 00:24:37,686 --> 00:24:39,556 He could be doing this to other girls. 405 00:24:39,563 --> 00:24:41,573 ♪ 406 00:24:47,779 --> 00:24:50,659 GLORIA ALLRED: Did Victoria's Secret ever know 407 00:24:50,657 --> 00:24:53,487 that a police report was filed by her? 408 00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:56,213 Did they ever ask Epstein about that? 409 00:24:56,205 --> 00:24:58,865 Did Les Wexner know about that? 410 00:24:59,291 --> 00:25:04,801 Why is the denial of a wealthy, well-known man 411 00:25:04,796 --> 00:25:06,296 of more value 412 00:25:06,298 --> 00:25:10,258 than the serious allegation to law enforcement 413 00:25:10,802 --> 00:25:13,812 by one woman who happens to be a model? 414 00:25:19,853 --> 00:25:22,863 - Apparently, nothing changed, 415 00:25:22,856 --> 00:25:27,686 and we also know that Wexner continued to praise Epstein 416 00:25:27,694 --> 00:25:29,454 even after this time. 417 00:25:30,822 --> 00:25:35,582 Wexner told Vanity Fair in 2003 that Epstein was 418 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:39,997 "very smart with excellent judgment and high standards." 419 00:25:39,998 --> 00:25:42,918 And he added, "He is always the most loyal friend." 420 00:25:42,918 --> 00:25:45,458 ♪ 421 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:53,220 - Jeffrey Epstein clearly profited tremendously 422 00:25:53,220 --> 00:25:56,390 from his friendship with Leslie Wexner. 423 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:59,980 Uh, not only was there a power of attorney signed, 424 00:25:59,977 --> 00:26:05,727 which gave him complete control over hundreds of millions of dollars, 425 00:26:05,732 --> 00:26:08,322 there was also transference of money 426 00:26:08,318 --> 00:26:12,028 that allowed Epstein to buy vast real estate holdings, 427 00:26:12,030 --> 00:26:14,740 including the Manhattan Triplex, 428 00:26:14,741 --> 00:26:18,291 the apartments on East 66th Street, 429 00:26:18,287 --> 00:26:20,957 the Stanley, New Mexico, ranch, 430 00:26:21,707 --> 00:26:24,707 the Avenue Foch Apartment in Paris. 431 00:26:26,837 --> 00:26:31,177 - Epstein also got a great deal for Wexner's company plane. 432 00:26:31,175 --> 00:26:33,465 It's impossible to know exactly what he paid 433 00:26:33,468 --> 00:26:37,848 because the transaction was shrouded in so many shell companies. 434 00:26:37,848 --> 00:26:39,808 CINDY: When you hear something like 435 00:26:39,808 --> 00:26:44,098 a private jet was sold at below market value 436 00:26:44,104 --> 00:26:48,734 from the corporation to Epstein-- 437 00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:52,110 ♪ 438 00:26:56,658 --> 00:27:01,868 - This became the one that the media has nicknamed "Lolita Express" 439 00:27:01,872 --> 00:27:03,712 because Epstein used it, 440 00:27:03,707 --> 00:27:08,047 sometimes, to traffic... underage girls. 441 00:27:12,883 --> 00:27:15,183 This is a culture of complicity. 442 00:27:15,177 --> 00:27:18,467 Many people down the hierarchy 443 00:27:19,264 --> 00:27:21,184 enable exploitation 444 00:27:21,183 --> 00:27:24,853 from the agent that represents the victim, 445 00:27:24,853 --> 00:27:27,273 all the way to the top. 446 00:27:27,272 --> 00:27:29,272 ♪ 447 00:27:37,991 --> 00:27:39,621 [bell ringing] 448 00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:47,840 REPORTER: How is the company doing financially? 449 00:27:47,835 --> 00:27:48,785 - Oh, just great. 450 00:27:48,794 --> 00:27:51,924 - Regarding the Victoria's Secret brand in the last quarter, 451 00:27:51,922 --> 00:27:54,632 our sales increased 18% 452 00:27:54,633 --> 00:27:58,053 and our operating income increased 34%. 453 00:27:58,053 --> 00:28:00,063 ♪ 454 00:28:08,313 --> 00:28:11,323 - Not only was the brand successful in sales... 455 00:28:13,485 --> 00:28:18,905 but it reached so much further than just being a lingerie store. 456 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,870 EMCEE: Merging fashion and entertainment, 457 00:28:24,872 --> 00:28:28,582 the Victoria's Secret Angels return to Hollywood 458 00:28:28,584 --> 00:28:30,094 to dazzle audiences 459 00:28:30,085 --> 00:28:34,085 with a televised fashion spectacular. 460 00:28:34,673 --> 00:28:38,473 They are a cultural phenomenon. 461 00:28:40,679 --> 00:28:42,509 ♪ 462 00:28:43,056 --> 00:28:46,096 TODD THOMAS: I think those years, '11, '12, '13, 463 00:28:46,101 --> 00:28:50,441 were kind of like the years where things were really, really golden, 464 00:28:50,439 --> 00:28:54,989 and acknowledgments were coming in for the magnitude of the show. 465 00:28:57,404 --> 00:29:01,834 - No other lingerie brand could compete with Victoria's Secret. 466 00:29:02,784 --> 00:29:08,624 Les Wexner was monomaniacally focused on accumulating money and power, 467 00:29:08,624 --> 00:29:11,594 and money and power because money is power. 468 00:29:12,419 --> 00:29:16,379 - At the peak, Victoria's Secret owned 40 to 45% 469 00:29:16,381 --> 00:29:18,721 of the entire market in the U.S. 470 00:29:18,717 --> 00:29:21,217 This company's crushing it. 471 00:29:23,597 --> 00:29:26,637 LINDSEY CASELLA: There was a moment in time where Victoria's Secret 472 00:29:26,642 --> 00:29:28,642 wasn't just a part of culture, 473 00:29:28,644 --> 00:29:32,274 but they were actively creating the culture itself. 474 00:29:32,272 --> 00:29:34,112 ♪ 475 00:29:42,533 --> 00:29:44,543 [angelic choir singing] 476 00:29:54,002 --> 00:29:56,512 HOST: I have the privilege today to introduce 477 00:29:56,505 --> 00:30:00,335 a man who, um, more than anyone in Columbus needs no introduction. 478 00:30:00,926 --> 00:30:04,556 Ladies and gentlemen, Leslie Wexner. [all applauding] 479 00:30:07,182 --> 00:30:09,312 LES: If you can picture Columbus as it is, 480 00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:13,019 and imagine a wonderful arena where the penitentiary site is, 481 00:30:13,021 --> 00:30:16,941 a museum, a, a COSI, a place for public entertainment, 482 00:30:16,942 --> 00:30:19,992 75-, 80-acre park on a riverfront, 483 00:30:19,987 --> 00:30:23,067 close to the downtown, close to a convention facility. 484 00:30:23,073 --> 00:30:24,703 How different would the city be? 485 00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:28,200 - Growing up, Les wanted to become 486 00:30:28,203 --> 00:30:31,923 part of the establishment in Columbus. 487 00:30:32,833 --> 00:30:36,713 He developed a plan for downtown Columbus. 488 00:30:36,712 --> 00:30:40,472 The city fathers just couldn't go along with it. 489 00:30:40,465 --> 00:30:44,505 So instead, he managed to buy up property 490 00:30:44,511 --> 00:30:48,851 in this small, rural farm community east of town. 491 00:30:52,561 --> 00:30:58,571 By the time it all came to pass... he owned the place. 492 00:30:58,942 --> 00:31:02,112 - I continue, uh, to promise you I'm not moving to New York. 493 00:31:02,112 --> 00:31:05,122 Only to-- New Albany, yes. New York, no. 494 00:31:05,115 --> 00:31:06,825 [all laughing] 495 00:31:06,825 --> 00:31:08,825 ♪ 496 00:31:11,705 --> 00:31:16,625 - If you are a Jewish guy who grew up in Columbus, Ohio, 497 00:31:16,627 --> 00:31:19,167 which was not a particularly friendly place to Jews, 498 00:31:19,755 --> 00:31:21,875 you come into a lot of money. 499 00:31:21,882 --> 00:31:25,182 It would only be natural to build the biggest, 500 00:31:25,177 --> 00:31:29,257 most luxurious, exclusive development possible 501 00:31:29,264 --> 00:31:30,774 near your hometown, 502 00:31:30,766 --> 00:31:34,306 and make all of the goyim aware of exactly how wealthy you are, 503 00:31:34,311 --> 00:31:39,111 and exactly the kinds of people that you are going to invite into your community. 504 00:31:39,107 --> 00:31:42,027 NARRATOR: New Albany is a collection of stunning neighborhoods, 505 00:31:42,027 --> 00:31:44,027 each with its own characteristics, 506 00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:47,029 yet connected by a signature white horse fence 507 00:31:47,032 --> 00:31:49,122 and timeless Georgian architecture. 508 00:31:52,162 --> 00:31:56,422 - He wants to create this sort of Wonderland for himself 509 00:31:56,416 --> 00:31:59,746 that he can exert a measure of control over. 510 00:32:05,592 --> 00:32:11,222 He dictated that the circumference of the trees would all be uniform. 511 00:32:12,307 --> 00:32:15,307 The grass is better kept in New Albany. 512 00:32:19,731 --> 00:32:22,531 NOAH KULWIN: This is the idea of the world 513 00:32:22,526 --> 00:32:24,606 that Ralph Lauren was selling. 514 00:32:27,197 --> 00:32:29,407 It's a fantasy, it's a marketing invention. 515 00:32:29,408 --> 00:32:30,658 It doesn't exist. 516 00:32:30,659 --> 00:32:34,869 It's an imaginary idea of what the WASP world was like. 517 00:32:39,084 --> 00:32:43,514 - Wexner, of course, has the largest house in New Albany. 518 00:32:43,505 --> 00:32:47,125 It's an enormous estate sprawling with stables 519 00:32:48,177 --> 00:32:50,797 and what is effectively a guest house. 520 00:32:52,848 --> 00:32:57,848 That house originally belongs to Wexner's original partner 521 00:32:57,853 --> 00:33:00,313 in New Albany, Jack Kessler. 522 00:33:00,314 --> 00:33:06,324 And Jack Kessler sells the house to Jeffrey Epstein for $3.5 million. 523 00:33:07,446 --> 00:33:11,866 Now, Epstein can see from his door Wexner's mansion. 524 00:33:15,871 --> 00:33:20,631 - Jeffrey Epstein was incredibly active in creating, 525 00:33:20,626 --> 00:33:23,496 um, Les Wexner's financial portfolio. 526 00:33:24,087 --> 00:33:28,257 He was a conman thinking about himself and putting himself in there 527 00:33:28,258 --> 00:33:33,008 to reap the dividends of this, uh, bizarre relationship. 528 00:33:35,098 --> 00:33:39,808 - Wexner involved Epstein very early on in the development of New Albany. 529 00:33:39,811 --> 00:33:43,271 Epstein's name pops up as early as 1991 530 00:33:43,273 --> 00:33:48,203 in all of the overlapping entities that were involved in developing New Albany. 531 00:33:52,199 --> 00:33:57,369 - One senior executive said that he told Wexner, in no uncertain terms, 532 00:33:57,371 --> 00:33:59,211 that Epstein was a wolf. 533 00:33:59,206 --> 00:34:03,836 And Wexner just sat there and stared at him silently. 534 00:34:05,170 --> 00:34:10,260 BARRY: Epstein would turn Leslie Wexner against individuals 535 00:34:10,259 --> 00:34:14,259 that he thought, you know, might be standing in his way. 536 00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:18,889 And certainly, there's no question in my mind 537 00:34:18,892 --> 00:34:21,442 that, uh, Jeffrey Epstein came between 538 00:34:21,436 --> 00:34:24,056 Les Wexner and his mother, Bella. 539 00:34:26,775 --> 00:34:29,695 - In the early '90s, Bella Wexner 540 00:34:29,695 --> 00:34:34,905 falls ill and she resigns from the Wexner Foundation Board. 541 00:34:35,492 --> 00:34:37,622 Jeffrey Epstein takes her place. 542 00:34:37,619 --> 00:34:40,869 And then later when she recovers, 543 00:34:40,873 --> 00:34:42,753 she wants her seat back. 544 00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:47,339 And what results is a protracted and difficult lawsuit 545 00:34:47,337 --> 00:34:51,797 that Wexner himself could have resolved at any point. 546 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,260 He doesn't step in 547 00:34:53,260 --> 00:34:56,600 and he's clearly at odds with his mother over it. 548 00:34:59,683 --> 00:35:05,523 - There was always talk that there was something else going on with Les Wexner. 549 00:35:07,274 --> 00:35:10,364 I remember there was a big story in New York Magazine, 550 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,320 a cover story called "The Bachelor Billionaire" about Wexner. 551 00:35:14,323 --> 00:35:17,453 And it really caught your attention because here was this kind of 552 00:35:17,451 --> 00:35:21,371 elfin little guy surrounded by beautiful models. 553 00:35:22,581 --> 00:35:26,131 But you came away from reading it thinking, 554 00:35:26,126 --> 00:35:29,546 "This guy's a real question mark. He's kind of a cipher." 555 00:35:29,546 --> 00:35:31,546 ♪ 556 00:35:35,344 --> 00:35:39,894 - There has been a lot of theorizing about Les's, um, 557 00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:41,770 sexual orientation. 558 00:35:42,434 --> 00:35:44,444 Uh, but here's the thing. 559 00:35:44,436 --> 00:35:46,016 The story goes, 560 00:35:46,021 --> 00:35:48,771 Les had a number of girlfriends 561 00:35:48,774 --> 00:35:54,404 and he was fairly serious, apparently, with a woman here in Columbus. 562 00:35:54,863 --> 00:35:58,083 Unfortunately, she was not Jewish. 563 00:35:58,075 --> 00:36:00,325 Bella put her foot down and said, 564 00:36:00,327 --> 00:36:05,247 "My grandchildren are not going to have a shiksa for a mother." 565 00:36:05,249 --> 00:36:06,919 And that was the end of that. 566 00:36:11,004 --> 00:36:12,634 CONCHITA SARNOFF: People love to gossip. 567 00:36:12,631 --> 00:36:16,591 If a man or a woman is not married by a certain age, 568 00:36:16,593 --> 00:36:18,643 you know, people like to form opinions. 569 00:36:23,058 --> 00:36:26,308 - In the '80s and '90s, Fortune 500 company CEOs 570 00:36:26,311 --> 00:36:28,941 were just simply not gay. 571 00:36:28,939 --> 00:36:31,319 The very notion was incomprehensible. 572 00:36:31,859 --> 00:36:36,279 Wexner needed any rumor like that to go away. 573 00:36:37,823 --> 00:36:39,833 ♪ 574 00:36:42,327 --> 00:36:45,247 TIM FERAN: And a few years later, 575 00:36:45,247 --> 00:36:49,417 that's when Abigail Koppel entered the picture. 576 00:36:49,418 --> 00:36:52,958 This beautiful, brilliant, young lawyer in New York. 577 00:36:54,798 --> 00:36:57,178 She's not only Jewish, 578 00:36:57,176 --> 00:37:01,806 her father was one of the founding figures of the state of Israel. 579 00:37:01,805 --> 00:37:07,385 He came over and opened the El Al Israel Airline office in New York. 580 00:37:09,062 --> 00:37:12,152 REPORTER: Wexner's embraced change in his personal life. 581 00:37:12,149 --> 00:37:14,149 He married for the first time. 582 00:37:15,319 --> 00:37:16,949 BARRY: Before the marriage, 583 00:37:16,945 --> 00:37:20,235 Jeffrey Epstein made very clear to Les 584 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:24,330 that he would oversee the prenuptial agreement. 585 00:37:28,874 --> 00:37:32,924 CINDY: I remember Abigail was pregnant 586 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,930 and I was standing chatting with her at a party. 587 00:37:37,925 --> 00:37:42,635 And she said she had found a nanny she wanted, 588 00:37:42,638 --> 00:37:47,058 but the nanny wasn't inclined to accept the job. 589 00:37:47,059 --> 00:37:52,149 And Abigail said, "I'm gonna sic Jeffrey on her." 590 00:37:52,147 --> 00:37:57,147 - He can work miracles, and do this, and he'll know. 591 00:37:59,571 --> 00:38:00,411 No. 592 00:38:02,491 --> 00:38:06,581 He put a classified ad in The Columbus Dispatch 593 00:38:06,578 --> 00:38:12,418 advertising for a nanny for a wealthy couple in New Albany. 594 00:38:13,335 --> 00:38:16,545 Contact Jeffrey Epstein. 595 00:38:19,716 --> 00:38:22,386 CINDY: What it implied to me 596 00:38:22,386 --> 00:38:26,056 was that he may have managed the money, 597 00:38:26,056 --> 00:38:30,436 but clearly, Epstein was deeply involved 598 00:38:30,435 --> 00:38:34,435 in the personal lives of Abigail and Les. 599 00:38:35,816 --> 00:38:37,816 ♪ 600 00:38:39,403 --> 00:38:43,953 - New Albany becomes the location of some alleged crimes, 601 00:38:43,949 --> 00:38:49,119 and it gets very close to the Wexners, both Les and his wife. 602 00:38:49,121 --> 00:38:51,581 ♪ 603 00:38:58,755 --> 00:39:02,545 Maria Farmer was a young art student living in New York. 604 00:39:02,551 --> 00:39:07,141 She ended up meeting Jeffrey Epstein not long after she graduated 605 00:39:07,806 --> 00:39:10,636 in the summer of 1996. 606 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,850 When I spoke to Maria, 607 00:39:13,854 --> 00:39:18,984 she told me that Jeffrey Epstein offered her the wonderful opportunity 608 00:39:18,984 --> 00:39:22,364 to spend the summer at Wexner's estate, 609 00:39:22,362 --> 00:39:24,032 where she's going to have great light 610 00:39:24,031 --> 00:39:25,621 and going to be able to paint. 611 00:39:27,868 --> 00:39:33,038 When Maria got to Wexner's estate, she was brought to the guest house, 612 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,500 which was then owned by Jeffrey Epstein, 613 00:39:36,502 --> 00:39:39,252 and was immediately greeted by security 614 00:39:39,254 --> 00:39:42,884 and found that her movements were really tightly controlled. 615 00:39:44,676 --> 00:39:48,846 She was told that she couldn't go outside without getting explicit permission, 616 00:39:48,847 --> 00:39:51,847 and she was told that there were guard dogs on the property. 617 00:39:54,561 --> 00:39:58,191 Maria Farmer told me that one month into her stay, 618 00:39:58,190 --> 00:40:01,820 Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell assaulted her. 619 00:40:06,657 --> 00:40:08,697 What Maria does in the aftermath of that 620 00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:12,080 is lock herself in her room and stack furniture against the door, 621 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,619 so that they can't get in. 622 00:40:14,623 --> 00:40:19,463 She called 911 and was put on hold and eventually hung up on. 623 00:40:19,753 --> 00:40:22,763 She then attempts to call the police. 624 00:40:22,756 --> 00:40:25,256 And when she reaches the local authorities, 625 00:40:25,259 --> 00:40:29,429 the voice on the other line says, "We're already there." 626 00:40:31,014 --> 00:40:35,734 And the police are actually guarding Wexner's home and his gate, 627 00:40:35,727 --> 00:40:38,727 and so, she sort of lost all hope. 628 00:40:41,608 --> 00:40:46,948 - Maria said she was held against her will for a period of 12 hours 629 00:40:46,947 --> 00:40:52,077 before she was allowed to leave the Wexner property in New Albany. 630 00:40:52,452 --> 00:40:55,252 You would think that this would be in a security log, 631 00:40:55,247 --> 00:41:00,917 that his security team would have informed Les Wexner what had taken place. 632 00:41:00,919 --> 00:41:03,259 Sheriff's department there in Franklin County says 633 00:41:03,255 --> 00:41:05,665 that the records from that particular night 634 00:41:05,674 --> 00:41:08,304 are no longer held in the archive. 635 00:41:09,011 --> 00:41:14,641 She eventually spoke to the FBI and we do know that those records exist. 636 00:41:16,935 --> 00:41:18,765 SARAH ELLISON: On the course of reporting the story, 637 00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:23,730 the Wexners were, at first, very reluctant to engage. 638 00:41:23,734 --> 00:41:28,574 But what they told me, eventually, through a spokesman, 639 00:41:28,572 --> 00:41:31,202 that Epstein's house was just one of hundreds 640 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,200 in a community developed by Les Wexner. 641 00:41:35,204 --> 00:41:39,794 When what our reporting indicated was that it was, in fact, impossible 642 00:41:39,791 --> 00:41:45,011 to access Epstein's property without going through Wexner's gate. 643 00:41:46,715 --> 00:41:50,465 Maria presented me with her driver's license 644 00:41:50,469 --> 00:41:51,799 that she had that summer, 645 00:41:51,803 --> 00:41:54,183 and at the bottom of that driver's license 646 00:41:54,181 --> 00:41:57,311 was the address, 1 White Barn Road, 647 00:41:57,309 --> 00:42:00,519 the home address of Les and Abigail Wexner. 648 00:42:03,649 --> 00:42:07,029 REPORTER: Maria Farmer has accused Abigail Wexner of acquiescence 649 00:42:07,027 --> 00:42:09,197 while Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 650 00:42:09,196 --> 00:42:11,906 sexually assaulted her in the New Albany compound, 651 00:42:11,907 --> 00:42:16,037 and effectively imprisoned her there and kept her under security guard. 652 00:42:18,038 --> 00:42:21,498 - What's so ironic is that, uh, Abigail Wexner 653 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:25,840 was a champion of charities trying to protect younger women 654 00:42:25,838 --> 00:42:28,008 from domestic abuse. 655 00:42:28,006 --> 00:42:29,876 - People ask me, you know, wh-- was it-- 656 00:42:29,883 --> 00:42:30,883 "Did you have personal history, 657 00:42:30,884 --> 00:42:33,304 or why would you choose to pick this issue?" 658 00:42:33,303 --> 00:42:35,063 Um, and it's pretty simple, you know? 659 00:42:35,055 --> 00:42:39,055 Uh, the whole notion of women and children being abused in our own backyards 660 00:42:39,059 --> 00:42:41,689 is just not something I want to live with. 661 00:42:41,687 --> 00:42:44,107 Um, and so, I chose to get involved. 662 00:42:47,401 --> 00:42:49,651 LES: If somebody has done something bad, 663 00:42:49,653 --> 00:42:51,863 you know, something corrupt, 664 00:42:51,864 --> 00:42:55,334 uh, taken advantage of their leadership position, 665 00:42:55,325 --> 00:42:57,995 uh, I will execute them publicly. 666 00:43:10,966 --> 00:43:13,296 ♪ 667 00:43:13,677 --> 00:43:16,757 - The industry overall is just exploding. 668 00:43:16,763 --> 00:43:19,983 And now, we're also, um, experiencing tremendous growth 669 00:43:19,975 --> 00:43:21,345 in the junior market as well. 670 00:43:21,351 --> 00:43:24,351 That's really coming on strong, the new young consumer. 671 00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:30,150 - In the early aughts, Wexner decided to expand his audience 672 00:43:30,152 --> 00:43:33,532 and marketed the new brand PINK towards young girls. 673 00:43:34,406 --> 00:43:37,526 MINDY: I think, uh, Les was pretty excited about PINK, 674 00:43:37,534 --> 00:43:40,164 and so, it got a lot of attention. 675 00:43:40,162 --> 00:43:42,042 He saw an opportunity 676 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,539 and he, he likes to exploit an opportunity. 677 00:43:45,918 --> 00:43:48,208 SARA: One day, they cleared the whole hosiery room out 678 00:43:48,212 --> 00:43:51,722 and they were just putting all this crazy, bright-colored cotton, 679 00:43:51,715 --> 00:43:55,635 tiny panties, and matching camisoles, and sweatpants out. 680 00:43:55,636 --> 00:43:58,636 And then the music went pop. 681 00:44:01,642 --> 00:44:06,022 - PINK was created to complement this bombshell Victoria's Secret brand. 682 00:44:06,021 --> 00:44:10,481 And it actually made them more relevant because of the culture shift to that. 683 00:44:10,984 --> 00:44:14,744 They were targeting that millennial generation. 684 00:44:15,614 --> 00:44:20,244 - Ed Razek would use the term "fantasy" for Victoria's Secret. 685 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,499 For PINK, the specific word that they used was "FOMO." 686 00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:27,960 They wanted to create FOMO. 687 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,590 They wanted people to have a fear of missing out. 688 00:44:32,172 --> 00:44:35,472 That was the marketing strategy and it worked. 689 00:44:37,344 --> 00:44:39,604 We would specifically have events 690 00:44:39,596 --> 00:44:43,226 that the goal was for people to post and take photos of, 691 00:44:43,225 --> 00:44:46,055 so that they would be sharing on their social media 692 00:44:46,061 --> 00:44:50,231 that they had this incredible experience with the brand. 693 00:44:50,607 --> 00:44:53,777 NARRATOR: PINK ensures the long-term growth of Victoria's Secret 694 00:44:53,777 --> 00:44:56,407 by bringing in a steady stream of young customers 695 00:44:56,405 --> 00:44:58,525 who we can hold for decades. 696 00:44:58,532 --> 00:45:01,372 - That was the one that didn't sit well with me. 697 00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:06,120 You already had this brand that had standards 698 00:45:06,123 --> 00:45:09,463 that were unattainable to the everyday person. 699 00:45:09,459 --> 00:45:11,209 And now, you were trying to do things 700 00:45:11,211 --> 00:45:14,131 that would make girls feel worse about themselves. 701 00:45:14,631 --> 00:45:17,261 PERSON 1: Let's go! PERSON 2: Stand by sexy delicious. 702 00:45:17,259 --> 00:45:19,469 This is the one with all the, um, sweeties. 703 00:45:19,469 --> 00:45:22,059 Adriana's the first one out. 704 00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:25,560 ♪ upbeat music playing ♪ 705 00:45:33,609 --> 00:45:36,739 - Come with me, girls! Come with me! Come on! 706 00:45:38,906 --> 00:45:42,236 - I was wearing balloons. They were not clothes. 707 00:45:42,242 --> 00:45:43,952 They were not sold in the stores. 708 00:45:44,369 --> 00:45:47,209 DOROTHEA BARTH-JORGENSEN: I had this dress with toy things around 709 00:45:47,206 --> 00:45:52,206 and the whole set was pretty much based on toys. 710 00:45:52,211 --> 00:45:55,591 I didn't even know who Justin Bieber was before I did that show. 711 00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:58,549 My sister's children were so excited 712 00:45:58,550 --> 00:46:01,260 that I've been going on the runway with Justin Bieber. 713 00:46:01,261 --> 00:46:03,561 [Justin singing] 714 00:46:05,724 --> 00:46:07,144 They were so obsessed with him. 715 00:46:07,142 --> 00:46:11,482 And they're, like, 10 and 12 at the time, so I think, definitely, 716 00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:13,400 they hit the target. 717 00:46:14,983 --> 00:46:18,403 - It wasn't about the clothes as much as it was about the models 718 00:46:18,403 --> 00:46:22,703 fulfilling this idea of this fantasy that Victoria's Secret wanted to fulfill. 719 00:46:25,702 --> 00:46:28,412 CINDY: Here we have the naughty policeman. 720 00:46:28,664 --> 00:46:34,674 Oh, here we have the little school girl in her little kilt. 721 00:46:35,128 --> 00:46:38,628 This little girl is wearing powder puffs. 722 00:46:38,632 --> 00:46:41,262 Oh, and carrying a hula hoop. 723 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,770 The New York Times called out, uh, Barbie doll-like bodies. 724 00:46:46,765 --> 00:46:50,595 This little Barbie is riding a tricycle. 725 00:46:50,602 --> 00:46:54,612 I think that's what she might be doing there. 726 00:46:54,606 --> 00:46:56,976 [cheering, applause] 727 00:47:00,487 --> 00:47:01,817 SARA: For me, that's when I was-- 728 00:47:01,822 --> 00:47:03,822 felt like something was going the wrong direction. 729 00:47:03,824 --> 00:47:08,834 I mean, 'cause PINK was literally designed to target teenagers and tweens. 730 00:47:09,288 --> 00:47:11,458 ♪ tense music playing ♪ 731 00:47:15,419 --> 00:47:17,419 And so, that did not feel good. 732 00:47:17,421 --> 00:47:19,421 ♪ 733 00:47:31,018 --> 00:47:33,558 - I think what happened for Victoria's Secret 734 00:47:33,562 --> 00:47:35,942 is, like, you have to up the ante every time, 735 00:47:35,939 --> 00:47:37,399 you have to renew the brand, 736 00:47:37,399 --> 00:47:42,109 so at one point, as a whole, it became a little too much. 737 00:47:42,946 --> 00:47:45,906 And I think this is where the moment came, 738 00:47:45,908 --> 00:47:48,198 where younger women were looking at that 739 00:47:48,202 --> 00:47:53,622 and saying, "This is not fair to me. I don't feel comfortable looking at this." 740 00:47:55,834 --> 00:47:57,504 JAMES: With the advent of MeToo, 741 00:47:57,503 --> 00:47:59,253 that's when the world shifted 742 00:47:59,254 --> 00:48:00,634 because, all of a sudden, 743 00:48:00,631 --> 00:48:05,181 word leaked that models were being assaulted by photographers, 744 00:48:05,177 --> 00:48:08,257 that they were also being touched and grabbed in fittings, 745 00:48:08,263 --> 00:48:12,563 and that other people in the Victoria's Secret, uh, organization 746 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:14,229 were making comments, 747 00:48:14,228 --> 00:48:17,228 or getting a little too handsy with the girls. 748 00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:20,650 Now they had this whole sexual harassment thing 749 00:48:20,651 --> 00:48:23,781 starting to brew over their heads. 750 00:48:25,864 --> 00:48:27,414 REPORTER: New York Times reportedly uncovered 751 00:48:27,407 --> 00:48:30,617 a slew of complaints against Ed Razek 752 00:48:30,619 --> 00:48:33,869 saying he acted inappropriately on several occasions. 753 00:48:33,872 --> 00:48:37,422 Other executives say they told Leslie Wexner about this, 754 00:48:37,417 --> 00:48:39,127 but nothing was done, they say. 755 00:48:39,127 --> 00:48:41,047 - I don't remember what we were talking about. 756 00:48:41,046 --> 00:48:44,876 Maybe there was some kind of MeToo thing happening in the news, 757 00:48:44,883 --> 00:48:47,303 but Ed's assistant made a comment. 758 00:48:47,302 --> 00:48:49,762 She said, "If I had a dollar for every time 759 00:48:49,763 --> 00:48:53,733 a sexual harassment case came across my email, I'd be rich." 760 00:48:53,725 --> 00:48:55,975 And, like, Ed laughed, other people laughed, 761 00:48:55,978 --> 00:48:57,018 and it was just like, 762 00:48:57,020 --> 00:48:58,900 I felt really awkward, but I also laughed. 763 00:48:58,897 --> 00:49:02,897 And it was just, like, this very normal thing to make a joke like that. 764 00:49:03,652 --> 00:49:05,652 ♪ 765 00:49:16,999 --> 00:49:20,839 - There was a lot of things that were really not acceptable, 766 00:49:20,836 --> 00:49:23,666 but the culture we were in then was very different, 767 00:49:23,672 --> 00:49:26,222 and you kind of had to brush things off 768 00:49:26,216 --> 00:49:28,836 and almost take a blind eye to it. 769 00:49:29,428 --> 00:49:33,348 - In the industry, and also, the culture itself, 770 00:49:33,348 --> 00:49:37,098 there are opportunities for people to do very bad things. 771 00:49:37,895 --> 00:49:40,895 And so, all we could do is to make sure 772 00:49:40,898 --> 00:49:43,188 that the talent feel comfortable, 773 00:49:43,192 --> 00:49:47,242 to let us know if something bad happened to them. 774 00:49:48,572 --> 00:49:52,702 And I can say sitting in this chair, 775 00:49:52,701 --> 00:49:57,121 I've had very few models report to me 776 00:49:57,831 --> 00:50:00,331 um, serious abuse. 777 00:50:00,751 --> 00:50:03,171 But that doesn't mean it didn't happen. 778 00:50:04,713 --> 00:50:06,343 That didn't mean it didn't happen. 779 00:50:08,675 --> 00:50:10,465 JAMES: No one would've ever said anything 780 00:50:10,469 --> 00:50:13,059 because they wouldn't wanna stop the cash stream. 781 00:50:13,847 --> 00:50:15,767 And the worst thing is, you know, years later, 782 00:50:15,766 --> 00:50:17,556 you hear, you know, I hear from agents, 783 00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:19,689 "Oh, we all knew he did this and we all know she did that. 784 00:50:19,686 --> 00:50:21,476 "And we all-- But, you know, we just turned our heads 785 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,440 because we made so much money." 786 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,240 I was kinda shattered myself to think like, 787 00:50:26,235 --> 00:50:30,155 "Wow, I can't believe, like, you knew you were sending 788 00:50:30,155 --> 00:50:31,775 "models to these people, 789 00:50:31,782 --> 00:50:34,662 and, you know, just hoping that something wouldn't happen." 790 00:50:36,662 --> 00:50:40,292 It was really, um-- The complicity was shocking. 791 00:50:45,045 --> 00:50:49,375 CONCHITA: In 2006, Epstein's abuse of women, 792 00:50:49,383 --> 00:50:53,053 particularly underage girls, came to light. 793 00:50:53,053 --> 00:50:54,143 He got caught. 794 00:50:54,137 --> 00:50:57,887 There were two very small Palm Beach Post articles 795 00:50:57,891 --> 00:51:00,101 that basically just stated the facts. 796 00:51:00,102 --> 00:51:03,612 He was arrested, his name, his address, and why he was arrested, 797 00:51:03,605 --> 00:51:06,775 solicitation of prostitution, period. 798 00:51:09,903 --> 00:51:12,323 - The relationship between Wexner and Epstein 799 00:51:12,322 --> 00:51:16,412 was, was really pretty unknown, publicly. 800 00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:19,710 So, Wexner didn't have to answer for this relationship 801 00:51:19,705 --> 00:51:24,325 and continued to operate with Epstein under the radar. 802 00:51:28,088 --> 00:51:31,718 - Les Wexner removed his, uh, power of attorney, 803 00:51:31,717 --> 00:51:36,007 but this didn't occur until December 2007, 804 00:51:36,013 --> 00:51:38,023 more than a year later. 805 00:51:38,932 --> 00:51:42,982 - Wexner is the CEO of a publicly traded company, 806 00:51:42,978 --> 00:51:46,268 and his closest advisor 807 00:51:46,273 --> 00:51:49,573 has been arrested on really lurid charges. 808 00:51:49,568 --> 00:51:54,618 And you have to wonder why the delay in severing ties. 809 00:51:55,574 --> 00:51:58,084 In my reporting, the only way I could get to the bottom of it 810 00:51:58,076 --> 00:52:00,906 was to try to talk to people who knew Wexner well. 811 00:52:00,913 --> 00:52:03,713 And... all they could do was say that 812 00:52:03,707 --> 00:52:06,587 Epstein had to have some kind of hold over Wexner. 813 00:52:09,671 --> 00:52:12,301 - The end result was a lot of nothing. 814 00:52:12,299 --> 00:52:14,429 It was a slap on the wrist. 815 00:52:14,426 --> 00:52:16,886 REPORTER 1: After 18 months in the Palm Beach Detention Facility, 816 00:52:16,887 --> 00:52:20,347 Epstein'll serve another 12 months house arrest at his Palm Beach home. 817 00:52:20,349 --> 00:52:21,889 REPORTER 2: An arrangement enjoyed by 818 00:52:21,892 --> 00:52:24,562 how many other convicted sex offenders? 819 00:52:28,106 --> 00:52:29,726 BARRY: He had in his tent 820 00:52:29,733 --> 00:52:32,443 some of the wealthiest men in the world, 821 00:52:32,444 --> 00:52:35,864 included a member of the Royal family in Prince Andrew, 822 00:52:35,864 --> 00:52:40,874 that he was able to acquire through his relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell. 823 00:52:41,578 --> 00:52:46,828 It was also two U.S. Presidents, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. 824 00:52:46,834 --> 00:52:48,754 REPORTER: In a 2002 magazine article, 825 00:52:48,752 --> 00:52:51,422 Trump called Epstein a terrific guy, 826 00:52:51,421 --> 00:52:55,431 adding, "It is even said he likes beautiful women as much as I do, 827 00:52:55,425 --> 00:52:58,045 and many of them are on the younger side." 828 00:52:59,721 --> 00:53:03,731 - Nobody paid much attention to the Florida conviction. 829 00:53:03,725 --> 00:53:07,015 There's some brief headlines and then it goes away. 830 00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:10,230 Jeffrey Epstein continued his lifestyle. 831 00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:15,610 And pretty much said after the Florida conviction, 832 00:53:15,612 --> 00:53:18,412 this was, uh, nothing worse than stealing a bagel. 833 00:53:21,535 --> 00:53:27,495 - They were business associates, at the very least, 834 00:53:27,499 --> 00:53:32,879 friends, probably, additionally, for over 20 years. 835 00:53:34,047 --> 00:53:38,717 It's a long time... not to become aware 836 00:53:39,970 --> 00:53:45,980 that someone's behavior is not what it should be. 837 00:53:47,686 --> 00:53:49,936 LES: There are times when I think I've made decisions 838 00:53:49,938 --> 00:53:53,648 that I'm not proud of... in hindsight, 839 00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:57,070 but I don't think I've made a decision 840 00:53:57,070 --> 00:53:59,450 consciously in the moment where I said if, you know, 841 00:53:59,448 --> 00:54:04,158 "If this were on the front page of the newspaper, would I be embarrassed?" 842 00:54:04,161 --> 00:54:07,001 And, and I think that, uh, you know, 843 00:54:06,997 --> 00:54:09,577 in, in a, in a tough business world or a tough world, 844 00:54:09,583 --> 00:54:12,753 I think you can make decisions that are tough, 845 00:54:12,753 --> 00:54:16,473 but that have, um, moral integrity. 846 00:54:16,465 --> 00:54:19,715 Now, that moral integrity and compass, 847 00:54:19,718 --> 00:54:22,798 your, your moral integrity, your ethical moral compass 848 00:54:22,804 --> 00:54:25,274 has a lot of judgments. 849 00:54:26,058 --> 00:54:28,058 ♪ 850 00:54:31,939 --> 00:54:36,859 - My experience in reporting on other sort of moguls and billionaires, 851 00:54:36,860 --> 00:54:41,280 they're all secretive to some degree, they all want some level of privacy, 852 00:54:41,281 --> 00:54:43,491 but Wexner is one of the most. 853 00:54:43,492 --> 00:54:45,412 It begs the question why, 854 00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:51,250 when there are questions that he would do well to answer, 855 00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:54,290 that he has avoided entirely. 856 00:54:55,712 --> 00:54:58,472 All the work that he put into building this fortune, 857 00:54:58,465 --> 00:55:01,425 and this business and these brands. 858 00:55:04,263 --> 00:55:06,273 There's a cloud over all of it now. 859 00:55:07,724 --> 00:55:10,814 BOB KENDRICK: Les Wexner is in some hot water. 860 00:55:10,811 --> 00:55:15,691 A civil complaint has been filed against Wexner, the founder of L Brands. 861 00:55:15,691 --> 00:55:18,991 - Victoria's Secret founder Les Wexner in the headlines again, 862 00:55:18,986 --> 00:55:22,406 being sued by one of the shareholders of the company he founded. 863 00:55:23,782 --> 00:55:26,452 REPORTER 1: Some see the L Brand image tarnished 864 00:55:26,451 --> 00:55:29,501 following scrutiny over Wexner's relationship 865 00:55:29,496 --> 00:55:32,116 with the late financier Jeffrey Epstein. 866 00:55:32,124 --> 00:55:34,174 REPORTER 2: An investigation is underway in Paris 867 00:55:34,168 --> 00:55:36,498 after a close associate of Jeffrey Epstein, 868 00:55:36,503 --> 00:55:39,133 modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel, 869 00:55:39,131 --> 00:55:41,591 was found dead this morning in his prison cell. 870 00:55:42,634 --> 00:55:44,804 - This is astounding to hear considering the fact 871 00:55:44,803 --> 00:55:49,103 that he died exactly the same way, uh, Jeffrey Epstein did. 872 00:55:49,099 --> 00:55:51,099 ♪ 873 00:56:34,394 --> 00:56:36,404 ♪ 874 00:57:06,677 --> 00:57:08,677 ♪