1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,400 Two ten-year-old girls went missing yesterday evening 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,040 in Soham, Cambridgeshire. It's Holly and Jessica from my class. 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,000 They came by our house. I-I-I spoke to them. 4 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:10,680 I'll say I was here. 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,400 You were here. I was in the bath. 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,720 A 28-year-old man and a 25-year-old woman 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,760 have been taken to help the police with our enquiries. 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,400 Maxine Carr, I am arresting you on suspicion of abduction and murder. 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,880 No, no! 10 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,400 They're not dead, though. How do you know if they're dead? 11 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,200 INSECTS BUZZ 12 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,440 MAN COUGHS 13 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,080 Oh, God! Oh, my God. 14 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,320 Oh! Police! 15 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,600 Two bodies have been found. 16 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,680 I want to change my statement. 17 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,760 I said I was in Soham that weekend... 18 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,160 ..but I wasn't. I was in Grimsby. 19 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,160 He told me last night, "If they arrest you, tell the truth." 20 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,000 So I am now, and I am sorry I did lie, 21 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,000 but only to stop Ian being accused when he's done nothing, and... 22 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,680 And it's better for you to go and find the real person. 23 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:12,840 The real person? 24 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:15,640 Who's done it. 25 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,800 This'll be read out in front of the church. 26 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,080 "I suggest that we pause for a moment of silence 27 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,200 "in memory of these two little girls. 28 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,720 "The heartfelt sympathy of the whole police service 29 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,680 "goes out to Holly's parents and brother 30 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,640 "and to Jessica's parents and sisters at this ghastly time. 31 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,280 "A man and a woman are under arrest for their murder." 32 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,120 Has Ian ever expressed interest in children? 33 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Yeah. 34 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,120 We wanna start a family. 35 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,680 I mean a sexual interest. 36 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,080 No, that's disgusting. 37 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,920 He says them people want shooting or castrating, 38 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,080 like what everyone says. 39 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,520 See, I know him, better than anyone, better even than his mum. 40 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,800 And he couldn't have done what you're saying he's done 41 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,840 and then carry on as normal. 42 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,000 He couldn't...unless you helped him. 43 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,920 I didn't bloody help him. 44 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,680 You did. You admit it. 45 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,400 You lied for him. Because I know he's innocent. 46 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:38,520 You cleaned his house. 47 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,400 It's my flaming house! I'm the cleaner! 48 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,520 What, am I not allowed to clean my own house now? 49 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,480 And even now Sadie's in season, you know, spreading everywhere. 50 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,160 What, just leave it? 51 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,120 Well, you think that I'd get on my hands and knees 52 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,280 and scrub something that I knew had happened? 53 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:00,720 Well, would you? 54 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,640 No, I bloody wouldn't. 55 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,160 I haven't got anything at all to do with this 56 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,640 and he ain't got nowt either. 57 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,560 We can tie him to the girls' clothes. 58 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,320 We found their bodies dumped in a ditch 59 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,040 where we now know he goes plane-spotting. 60 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,000 It's not nice to think of children you know, that you've hugged. 61 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,360 It wasn't him. 62 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,360 Come on, Maxine. You're wearing blinkers. 63 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,200 I'm not wearing blinkers. You are. I'm not! 64 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,040 Well, we have to tell you that he has now been charged 65 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,760 formally charged, with the two murders of Holly Wells 66 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,200 and Jessica Chapman. 67 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:48,760 Mm-mm. 68 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,680 No! SHE SOBS 69 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,320 No! 70 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,560 SOBS: He can't have. 71 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,320 He can't have! 72 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,680 SHE SOBS 73 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,440 Maxine, over here! SHOUTING 74 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,120 MAGISTRATE: Maxine Ann Carr, you have been charged 75 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,440 with conspiring to pervert the course of justice 76 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,280 by lying about your whereabouts on August 4th 77 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,720 and August 5th of this year. 78 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,800 You will be remanded in custody at Holloway Prison until your trial. 79 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,320 ON TV: "How has this happened?" 80 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,880 This is the question and thought that one can see 81 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,280 on all the faces in Soham. 82 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,160 It is not just the locals who are wondering this 83 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,800 but the many hundreds of visitors who have travelled 84 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:06,080 from far and wide to the small Cambridgeshire village 85 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,960 to sign books of condolence. 86 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,720 The long queue that forms outside St Andrews Church 87 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,600 is a quiet and sombre procession. 88 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,800 Hey. Hey. You seen all the flowers at the church? 89 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:20,560 Yeah, amazing. They just keep coming, don't they? 90 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,880 It's like Diana. 91 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,000 National grief and rage. 92 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,240 Yeah. 93 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:28,800 You see the Attorney General's warning? Yeah. 94 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:32,560 "Condemn Huntley or Carr in print and you jeopardise the trial." 95 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,560 Outrageous! Protect press freedom. 96 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,200 What, to publish, "My kinky night with Maxine"? 97 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,160 Get the feeling you want to defend her. 98 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,480 What, like a damsel in distress? 99 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,080 No, no, I just... 100 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,800 I don't wanna see her get torn limb from limb. 101 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:52,760 She's not the one who's been charged with murder. 102 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,360 Mm. 103 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:59,440 Well, Soham will be glad to see us gone. Mm. 104 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,200 You off back to London? 105 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,560 Maybe one more trip up to Grimsby. 106 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,200 OK, well, maybe see you next year at the trial. 107 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,840 Yeah. Hey, before you go, if you were me, 108 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,360 how would you approach the bereaved families? 109 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,240 I wouldn't. People want to hear their story. 110 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,000 And so, reluctant as you are to intrude on private grief... 111 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,680 I can offer big money. 112 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Sorry. Wish I could help you. 113 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,040 No, you don't. 114 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,280 INMATE: Maxine! Hey! We're going to get you! 115 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:47,240 SECOND INMATE: You hurt kids, we hurt you. 116 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,400 SHOUTING CONTINUES 117 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,920 ON PHONE: Ian should be standing up for you. 118 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,680 Ian wasn't even at the court. He's not well enough, mentally. 119 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,240 Oh, so he's left you to carry the can. 120 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,520 It's not his fault, Mum! He's traumatised. 121 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,000 And no wonder - being blamed for something he's never done. 122 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,120 Right. 123 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,680 His worst nightmare come true. 124 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,400 POUNDING ON DOOR Come on, Shirley! 125 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,000 Let's have an interview! 126 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,680 My neighbour's told the police 127 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,680 she saw you and Ian looking in the boot of his car and you were crying. 128 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:22,880 KNOCK ON DOOR 129 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,320 And there's reporters knocking, day and night. 130 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,760 Maxine? Maxine? 131 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,920 So she saw me crying. 132 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,240 It's not a crime to cry. 133 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,040 No, but the question arises, "Why were you crying?" 134 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,840 Are we to believe that you never suspected 135 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,800 Ian could have killed Holly and Jessica? 136 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:45,840 Correct. 137 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,080 Not for a second. Not in a million years. 138 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,440 And now? 139 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,560 He's being framed. 140 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,120 Someone else put their clothes in that hangar and them in that ditch. 141 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,960 Well, I have to tell you that's a theory 142 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,840 a jury may find hard to believe. He didn't kill them. 143 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,560 OK. What you will say is that all you know, 144 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,040 the only thing he told you, is what he told everybody else. 145 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,720 He talked to the girls outside the house 146 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,080 and then they walked away. 147 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,600 Correct. 148 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,400 REPORTER: Ely Cathedral has been a site of prayer 149 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,320 stretching back many centuries. 150 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,520 Today, it was a place of mourning for the people of Soham. 151 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:47,360 Hundreds travelled from the small village 152 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,640 to pay their respects and share their grief. 153 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,120 They were joined on the journey by two families, 154 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,400 their fellow townsfolk, 155 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,800 two families who have lost beloved daughters 156 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,400 in the inexplicable tragedy. 157 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,840 "Dear Ian, I think about marrying you every day. 158 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,280 "I love you, Ian, and I miss you with my whole heart. 159 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,760 "Your letters are what are keeping me going in here. 160 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,840 "Soon, we'll be together again, my love." 161 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,160 Huntley's been transferred to prison and declared fit to stand trial. 162 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,880 Oh, and by the way, his phone records show 163 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,720 he was trying to cheat on Carr that weekend but had no luck. 164 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,400 Right. She won't like that. 165 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,360 How are we doing putting the girls in the house? 166 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,480 Working on forensics, but it's been so thoroughly cleaned. 167 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:34,880 By the immaculate Miss Carr. 168 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,000 Who worked franticly to remove all traces while claiming, like him, 169 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,760 the girls never went inside. 170 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,320 We need to refute that. We need them in there. 171 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,280 SHE RETCHES 172 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,720 SHE RETCHES 173 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:31,120 "Dear Ian, why are you not responding to my letters? 174 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,480 "Is it true what my solicitor told me? 175 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,760 "Were you trying to see another woman on Saturday night when I was in Grimsby?" 176 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,960 Thank you. That was very nice. 177 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,080 "After everything I've done, it's not fair." 178 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,960 I'm worried, Lynda. 179 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,280 It's been two months. Is he getting my letters? 180 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,000 ON PHONE: I'll ask him when I see him, darling. 181 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,320 I know it's hard. 182 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,680 So, that weekend... 183 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,640 ..was it the Monday he called you to discuss lying? 184 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,080 Yeah, he said he wanted me to come home. 185 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,560 He says, "There's kids gone missing," and the thing is... 186 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:14,600 The thing is? 187 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,280 The bad thing is... 188 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,040 ..they came in our house. 189 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,760 They came in the house? Yeah, they did. 190 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,000 One of them had a nosebleed. 191 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,280 You know I've had blackouts. 192 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,480 But I remember now why they came into the house. 193 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,840 I... I don't know if Maxine told you that. 194 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,160 No. No, she... She didn't, lovey. 195 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,320 One of them had a nosebleed. 196 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,680 But on the CCTV thing on the telly... 197 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,480 ..they're leaving the sports centre just before getting to you 198 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,720 and none of them have a nosebleed then. 199 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,440 Well, no, that's because it started 200 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,200 when she was talking to me about Maxine. 201 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,800 And they say they found fibres from the football shirts 202 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,680 in the boot of my car. That's because the girls 203 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,560 sat on the edge of it when I went indoors to get tissue. 204 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,240 So the boot was open? 205 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,280 Yeah. And the bleeding didn't stop and I said, "Come in." 206 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,680 I haven't done this, Mum. 207 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,760 Cos I remember them leaving my house. 208 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,040 Well, if you're adamant on that... I am adamant. 209 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,040 I am 100% remembering them girls leaving my house. 210 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,000 And would I be physically capable 211 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,480 of restraining two healthy young girls? 212 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,440 Yeah, it's not like you're a 15st guy. 213 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,600 Well, I am 12st and fit. 214 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,600 But, yeah, question is, was someone following them? 215 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,800 Don't look at me like that. 216 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,200 What I need... 217 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,320 What I need from you lot is some bloody faith and confidence in me. 218 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,680 I am telling you the truth, Mum, as best I can, what I remember. 219 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,080 I don't ever want you to think that I might have done this - 220 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,200 because I haven't. I could never hurt anybody. 221 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,600 I never have, I never will. 222 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:52,160 Finally, I am telling you this, about them coming into the house. 223 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,240 I weren't gonna, but I felt... 224 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,040 ..that's the risk I had to take just to put your mind at rest. 225 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,480 Thank you. 226 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,280 ON RECORDING: Don't say anything, Mum. It will give the police time 227 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,880 to counteract everything I'm saying and build the case against me. 228 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,640 The girls are in the house. 229 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,240 CLATTER 230 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,840 The papers are calling it a suicide attempt? 231 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,240 "She's guilty and she can't live with it." 232 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,000 It's my eating disorder, I can't help it! 233 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,000 Well, yes, there should be some...sympathy. 234 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,000 I'm like Princess Diana. 235 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,880 So, things have changed a little bit. 236 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,320 The prosecution have tape recordings of you talking to Ian's mother Lynda 237 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:15,560 over the phone. 238 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,640 What? That can't be legal. 239 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,400 Recording a private conversation? That's shocking. 240 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:22,960 Well, it is legal, I'm afraid, 241 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,640 and they have you admitting to knowing the girls were in the house. 242 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,400 So, as well as conspiring to pervert the course of justice, 243 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,640 you're also being charged with assisting an offender. 244 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,120 But I haven't assisted an offender. 245 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,240 You cleaned the house, 246 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,880 hid the traces of two dead young girls, girls you knew, 247 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,280 making you in the eyes of many as bad as him, or even worse. 248 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,160 He's not bad. They went in the house. 249 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,880 They went out again, on their merry way. 250 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,480 Really? Because if they didn't... They did. 251 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,000 ..your life together is over. 252 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,000 Acknowledge he's done what he's done and distance yourself from him 253 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,040 and you can still survive. Ian's not a... 254 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,640 He's not interested in young girls. 255 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,080 He's got no whatsit - no previous, no history. 256 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:18,320 That's not true. 257 00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:22,200 What I'm about to tell you can't be used in court against him. 258 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,400 Enquiries through Humberside Police and social services 259 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,040 are revealing several cases against him involving sex 260 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,040 with underage girls whilst in his 20s. 261 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,280 These are girls he groomed, one as young as 13, 262 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,840 and allegations of rape. 263 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,120 He took a girl for a walk in an orchard, 264 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,680 where she says he sexually assaulted her, when he was 24... 265 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,800 ..and she was 11. 266 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,200 Let people see - he's the monster, not you. 267 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,480 SHE SOBS 268 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,360 SOBBING CONTINUES 269 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,200 I think I've made a huge mistake, Mum. 270 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,000 CRIES: I thought he was the best thing that ever happened to me. 271 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,760 Tell anyone who asks it's over. 272 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,040 She wrote to the prison governor. It was read out to me - 273 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,800 "I no longer wish to have any communication with Mr Ian Huntley." 274 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,600 Oh, Ian, that's all you need. 275 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:54,640 Yeah. 276 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,320 What a fucking bitch. 277 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:04,160 So we now have fibre transfers to and from the football shirts. 278 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,040 And thanks to Pat, pollen from the deposition site on Huntley's shoes, 279 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,160 car footwells and petrol can. 280 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,560 Plus, chalk from the track caught under the car. PHONE VIBRATES 281 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,920 And the fact that he changed all four tyres on the Monday, 282 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,040 that'll speak to the jury. 283 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,240 I'll share duties with Karim in court. What? 284 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,480 Well, how did he do it? He's on suicide watch. 285 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,360 Huntley's taken an overdose. 286 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,920 He sees this as his only option, 287 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,520 testament to the work we're all doing. 288 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,680 So we keep doing it and pray he pulls through. 289 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,240 He can't escape justice. 290 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,920 REPORTER: It's a short journey for Huntley from hospital 291 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,080 back to Woodhill Prison, where he will again be put on suicide watch. 292 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:59,120 He will spend the next number of days and nights 293 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,560 in the hospital wing. 294 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,040 The Home Secretary has demanded that the Prison Service... 295 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,760 It's all over the news. 296 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,480 Have you seen it? Oh, love, it's terrible. 297 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,240 Typical him, Mum. 298 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,480 Trying to take the easy way out, leaving me to carry the can. 299 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,880 Too bad, Ian. 300 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,560 Didn't work. 301 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,200 Tough fucking luck. 302 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,400 I'll see you in court. 303 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,080 Thanks for meeting me. Still waiting for that scoop? 304 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:40,120 Eve of the trial, emotions running high, maybe a chink opens up. 305 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,040 And then you pounce, yeah? 306 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,560 That's my job. 307 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,840 The judge rejected the defence claim. 308 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,080 They've already been convicted by the media. 309 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:50,920 But he still criticised them. 310 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,280 Them? 311 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,520 Us. 312 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,280 So the editors just ignore the sub judice laws, do they? 313 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,040 No, not totally. 314 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,920 And all this stuff coming out now about Huntley's past in Humberside, 315 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,840 we're sitting on it until after the trial. 316 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,440 Mm. The authorities are going to get roasted. 317 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,520 They weren't communicating. 318 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,360 Police, social services, schools. 319 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,280 How did he get a job as a school caretaker with his history? 320 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,160 No actual convictions. 321 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,600 There was one though, for burglary. 322 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,760 I mean, that should have flagged up and barred him from the job. 323 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,920 All those other complaints though. 324 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,040 I mean, all those girls. 325 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,720 Mm, I mean it needs a public inquiry. 326 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,640 Needs a whole new system. 327 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,880 You're not coming down to cover the trial? 328 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,760 I'm not allowed to. I'm a witness. 329 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,600 Of course. You met them. 330 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,920 Mm. I talked to his parents. 331 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,760 They showed me this Christmas card Maxine sent them 332 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,560 after she dumped him. 333 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:52,160 "I shared my life, my bed and all my dreams with that man. 334 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,400 "I have been living a lie." 335 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,680 Wow. Tragic heroine. 336 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,200 Rehearsal for the courtroom. 337 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,080 Now, a warning to media. 338 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:19,080 Report this trial dispassionately, 339 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,640 or jeopardise it. 340 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,480 Do not describe emotion. 341 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,080 The Crown may present it's opening statement. 342 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,840 It may not be disputed that Carr provided a false account 343 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,600 of Huntley's movements that Sunday night, 344 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,040 but we have to prove that she did so knowing, 345 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,280 or believing that he had a hand in the killing of the girls. 346 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,880 She lied and covered up for him. 347 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,720 Forensically cleaned the house of the man 348 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,600 who murdered two ten-year-old girls. 349 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,680 The man who dumped and burned their bodies in a ditch. 350 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,200 You say there was significant press presence, 351 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,920 hundreds of reporters every day. 352 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,800 Did this put a strain on the caretaker at the school? 353 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,840 He did seem stressed. 354 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,840 He said he felt harassed by the press and... 355 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,960 ..by the daily press conferences the police were holding. 356 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,880 And one time asked me if they could be held elsewhere. 357 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,680 And you appointed him? 358 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,360 Correct. 359 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,680 Would you say he struck you as a very good candidate 360 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,440 when you appointed him? 361 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,040 Yes. He did. 362 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,880 And that's a decision I live with every day. 363 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,360 That's all. 364 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,840 Thank you. 365 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,240 All done. 366 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,120 Love you. Love you. 367 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,840 How did Miss Carr seem when you spoke to her? 368 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,560 Smiling. 369 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,400 Cheerful, friendly. 370 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,000 Eager to help. 371 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,120 And what about Mr Huntley? 372 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,040 He was very wary. 373 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,160 He refused to have his photo taken. 374 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840 She was much more convincing. 375 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,800 Happy to pose with the card Holly had made her. 376 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,720 So when she told me she was in the house, in the bath, 377 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,760 when the girls came by... 378 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,120 ..it was easy to believe her. 379 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,240 God, I can't do anything right. 380 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,920 She was too close to the kids. They loved her too much. Ooh, sorry. 381 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,000 And that reporter, the press, they sweet-talk you, 382 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,680 they manipulate you to get what they want. 383 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,080 You know, they say I'm bad. They're worse. 384 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,960 You're doing well in there. 385 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,800 Keeping calm. Used to it. 386 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,760 You know, be nice, look nice. No-one likes you when you're mad. 387 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,680 So swallow it. 388 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,880 You should be prepared for the discoveries of the bodies and the pathologist's evidence. 389 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,600 It could be quite upsetting. Should I not get upset? 390 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,040 No, it's fine to get upset. 391 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,040 Shows you care. 392 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,480 You the jury have been provided with evidence packs? 393 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,760 Could you please refer to the pathologists report by Dr Nat Carey? 394 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,480 As you have told the court, 395 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,120 the bodies exposed for so long were too badly decomposed even for you, 396 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,600 an experienced pathologist to determine the cause of death. 397 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,200 But the skulls and skeletons revealed no signs 398 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,520 of blunt force trauma or stabbing. 399 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,360 Which leaves us with? 400 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,720 Something involving interference with the mechanism of breathing. 401 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,240 Such as? 402 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,200 Strangulation or smothering. 403 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,360 And as for sexual assault? 404 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,200 Due to decomposition I cannot, from the physical findings, 405 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,200 confirm or refute that possibility. 406 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,920 Thank you, Dr Cary. 407 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,920 Erm... 408 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,720 My Lord, my client would be grateful for a very short break. 409 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,120 Very well, Mr Coward. 410 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,240 This is the last time Mr Huntley will be permitted 411 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,080 to disrupt the court. 412 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,040 The court will reconvene in 15 minutes. 413 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,320 Should possible causes of death not include drowning? 414 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,320 Yes, it should be on the list. 415 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:34,840 Thank you. 416 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,920 I'm going to put to you my client's account 417 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,440 of what actually happened on 4th of August last year. 418 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,680 At the material time Holly Wells had a nosebleed. 419 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,200 And because it wouldn't stop, 420 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,240 she and Jessica and the defendant, Mr Huntley, 421 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,400 went up to the bathroom, 422 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,040 where the girls sat on the edge of the bath 423 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,440 while he cooled pieces of toilet paper under the tap in the basin 424 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,640 and handed them to Holly. 425 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,280 And on one of his turns, he slipped. 426 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,600 And it seems he may well have banged into her and she went backwards. 427 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,200 He has no recollection of a bang, but he does remember a splash. 428 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,200 When Holly went into the bath, 429 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,720 which had roughly 18 inches of water in it 430 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,000 because Mr Huntley was going to wash the dog, 431 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,360 Jessica started screaming, "You pushed her, you pushed her!" 432 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,560 He then turned towards Jessica putting his hand, or hands out, 433 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,760 his memory is, over her mouth, to stop her screaming. 434 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,800 He let her go and she went to the ground. 435 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,040 He then lifted Holly out of the bath... 436 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,840 ..and looked for signs of breathing and found none. 437 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,960 He turned his attention towards Jessica, 438 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,440 looked for signs of breathing and found none. 439 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,200 That is the whole account. 440 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,400 I don't believe a word of it. 441 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,880 As an experienced pathologist, I find it wholly implausible 442 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,640 that Jessica could have been smothered to death as described. 443 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,120 And as to the suggested drowning of Holly, 444 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,720 I measured the bath overnight. 445 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,400 The overflow is 11 inches. 446 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,920 Even if that was blocked, 447 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,040 the depth you mentioned of 18 is unrealistic. 448 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,760 And at a depth of barely a foot, 449 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,080 total immersion of the nose and mouth through a passive accident 450 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,480 is very unlikely. 451 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,640 And the nose, we are told, is bleeding. 452 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,960 And she is fully clothed. 453 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,280 So there would be blood in the water soaking the clothes. 454 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,160 Even extremely diluted, this would be detectable. 455 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,840 None was. 456 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,040 And why no rescue? 457 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,120 Accidental drownings in bathrooms tend to be solitary affairs 458 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,520 because, by definition... 459 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,000 ..human beings rescue one another. 460 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,480 What's he like? Trying to get off murder with a story like that. 461 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,440 "It was an accident, it was only..." What is it? Manslaughter. 462 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,680 The evidence suggests that if the bodies had been less decomposed 463 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,720 it might be clearer what happened. 464 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,680 Some people may blame you for that 465 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,360 because your lies delayed his arrest. 466 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,760 But his arrest didn't lead to the bodies. 467 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,760 They were found by accident. 468 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,960 And he'd never have admitted where they were, so... 469 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,840 Not as thick as I look. 470 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,040 I was knelt down on the doorstep, brushing Sadie, 471 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,880 directly behind the car. 472 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,720 I heard two voices and I stood up to look 473 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,000 and there was two girls in football tops stood there. 474 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,240 They asked me how Miss Carr was and I found that quite funny 475 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,440 because I weren't used to hearing Maxine referred to in that way. 476 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,520 I noticed Holly put her hand up to her face 477 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,600 and there was some blood on it and under her nose. 478 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,000 I asked if she would like some tissue. 479 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,040 To which she replied, "Yes, please". 480 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,200 So what did you do? 481 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,680 I said, "Plonk your bums on there and I'll get you some." 482 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,840 Could you repeat that? 483 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,000 A lot of us didn't get that. 484 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,720 Yes, erm... 485 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,960 I said, "Plonk your bums on there." 486 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,280 Plonk your bums there? 487 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,600 Yes. 488 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,440 On the rim of my boot. 489 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,480 What did you do with Sadie? 490 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,200 Secured her in the downstairs toilet. 491 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,280 You came out and gave the tissue to Holly. 492 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,320 Did it do the trick? 493 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,120 Sorry? 494 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,160 Did it stop the bleeding? 495 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,520 No. 496 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,440 So what happened next? 497 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,200 It was threatening rain and if anything it was getting worse. 498 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,080 So, I... I said, "Would you like to come inside and put some wet tissue on the nose?" 499 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,920 What did they say? 500 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,040 They said yes. 501 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,960 You returned home after depositing the bodies. 502 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,120 Then what did you do? 503 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,160 Had several cigarettes. 504 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,520 And what were you thinking? 505 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,120 What have I done? 506 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,520 Have you ever told Maxine what you've told us here today? 507 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,640 I wanted to. 508 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,920 But I couldn't. 509 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,840 You approached Holly's father, Kevin Wells, 510 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,960 near the school three days after she disappeared. 511 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,680 You said, "I'm sorry Kev, I didn't know it was your daughter. 512 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,000 "I hope they come home soon". 513 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,040 What should we call that? 514 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,200 An apology? Inexcusable? 515 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,680 Yes. 516 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,480 Like this story you've come up with to fit the evidence. 517 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,400 What does a ten-year-old girl do when she's got a nosebleed 518 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,680 and is a few hundred yards from home? 519 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,960 I can't speak for the mind of ten-year-old girls. 520 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,360 Go into a stranger's house? Did you tell them that Maxine was inside? 521 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,720 No. You knew, as school caretaker, 522 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,120 you were forbidden from having schoolchildren in your house? 523 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,560 Yes. And yet you invited them in. 524 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,960 Yes. 525 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,800 You have been telling lies from start to finish in this case, haven't you? 526 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,160 You say you somehow suffocated Jessica, 527 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,200 trying to stop her from screaming. 528 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:26,000 Screaming because you were murdering Holly? No. 529 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,520 And when you accidentally knocked her into the bath, why couldn't you just reach out and help her? 530 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,360 That would have been the normal... 531 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,680 In these circumstances it is very rational to know what you were doing. 532 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:38,760 In those circumstances it is not so rational. 533 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,720 Believe me, I know. 534 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,200 You can get very angry, can't you, Mr Huntley? 535 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,320 That's because you... 536 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,400 You have your opinion. 537 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,200 Did you lose your temper with one of the girls that Sunday evening? 538 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:07,240 Did you become the assertive individual that you became just now? 539 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,840 You lied to the journalists. 540 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,040 You lied to the police? 541 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,920 Yes, sir, I did. 542 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,400 You now admit you knew a lot. 543 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,520 The girls had been in the house, which he'd cleaned. 544 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,600 The car, too. 545 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,600 There was bedding in the washing machine. 546 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,320 He was the last person to see them and he wanted you to lie. 547 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,280 And yet, you claim you had no suspicions? 548 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,960 Suspicions he had a woman round, maybe. 549 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,080 But no, not that. 550 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,640 You claim that all the guilt should be his to bear 551 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,880 and you should go scot-free? 552 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,240 I know exactly what I've done, sir. 553 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,600 And I cannot be blamed for what that thing in the box 554 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,800 has done to me or those children. 555 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,840 It is noticeable, Miss Carr, how much you embellished your lies 556 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,280 to the press and the police to make them more convincing. 557 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,680 Not only were you in the house, but you were in the bath 558 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,920 and "wished I had popped out and had a chat with the girls". 559 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,960 I do wish though I had been there. 560 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,960 I'll be feeling very guilty, sir, 561 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,520 for a long, long time that if I was there 562 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,960 I could have stopped them from dying. 563 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,800 You were so obsessed by him 564 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,800 and so obsessed with preserving your relationship 565 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,920 and your home and your future, 566 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,680 that you had to divert attention away from him. 567 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,320 Only because I truly believed he was innocent. 568 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,320 Mr Latham has suggested to you 569 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,000 that by that Tuesday evening, the 6th, 570 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,240 you had worked it out that the children were dead... No. 571 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,120 ..and that Ian Huntley was responsible. No. 572 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,600 Now, let's just examine that. 573 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,800 Did you sleep in the same bed as Ian Huntley on that Tuesday night? 574 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,360 Yes. And all the following days? 575 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,840 Yeah. 576 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,080 Mm. 577 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,680 Would you have been in the same bed if you believed for a moment 578 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,880 that he had killed those children? 579 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,960 I wouldn't be in the same house. 580 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,520 No further questions. 581 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,880 The court will take a break and reconvene in 30 minutes. 582 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,560 You should fucking hang! 583 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,360 You bastard! 584 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,960 Given you admitted you conspired with Ian to lie 585 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,680 and he's already pleaded guilty to that charge, 586 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,880 I have to advise you as your counsel that perhaps you should, too. 587 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,360 But I wasn't perverting the course of justice. 588 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,400 I was trying to stop the police from wrongly accusing him, I thought. 589 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,840 OK, but you do realise the jury are likely to find you guilty? 590 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,520 Of that charge, yeah, OK. If they do, they do. 591 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,480 But not assisting an offender, 592 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,040 not cleaning up after knowing he'd killed the girls, because I didn't. 593 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,880 And I don't want to be damned for what I never done. 594 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,240 Miss Carr, Maxine, 595 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,640 feels guilty every day, 596 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,200 wishing she had been there that day and saved those children's lives. 597 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,240 Is it not now time to release her from this man and his crimes? 598 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,280 If you think she has continued right through her evidence to tell lies, 599 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,000 that she is not being frank with you... 600 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,760 ..you have to ask why? 601 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,040 Defendants rise. 602 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,480 How do you find the defendant, Ian Kevin Huntley, 603 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,200 on the charge of the murder of Jessica Chapman? 604 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,800 Guilty. 605 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,640 The murder of Holly Wells? Guilty. 606 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,200 How do you find the defendant, Maxine Ann Carr, 607 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,960 on the charge of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice? 608 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,560 Guilty. 609 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,320 How do you find the defendant, Maxine Ann Carr, 610 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,480 on the charge of assisting an offender in the case of Jessica Chapman? 611 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,000 Not guilty. 612 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,920 In the case of Holly Wells? 613 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,360 Not guilty. 614 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,200 Forget her. She doesn't matter. 615 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,360 We will take a short adjournment 616 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,720 and sentencing will commence tomorrow morning. 617 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,200 To the parents of Holly and Jessica, 618 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,840 your grief at the loss of such bright 619 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,240 and life-enhancing daughters cannot be imagined 620 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,200 and cannot be shared. 621 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,400 Those of us who have been compelled to listen to 622 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,360 so dispiriting and merciless a tale 623 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,360 will have had some glimpse 624 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,480 of what you have suffered and continue to suffer. 625 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,800 Our thoughts are with you all. 626 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,160 Hi, Principle Gilbert. 627 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,000 Just a few words, now that the verdict's in? 628 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,920 No. Thank you. 629 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,800 How have the students and community reacted to it? 630 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,200 The girls' siblings go to the school. Can you comment 631 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,880 on how they're coping? The families must still have questions. 632 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,800 I'd rather just get on with it. 633 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,360 Right, there we go. That's everything. 634 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,520 PHONE RINGS 635 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,000 I'll get it. 636 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,480 Brian Farmer's phone, this is Millie. 637 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,760 Hi, Millie, can I speak to your dad? 638 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,320 Here he is. Thanks. 639 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,000 For you. Thank you. 640 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:06,000 Hello. Hey, it's Jane. I'm in Soham. 641 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,720 But I don't, I don't feel... 642 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,080 CAR HORN Sorry. Hang on a sec. 643 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,120 Have you got everything? Yep. Bye. Bye. 644 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,560 Hey, hey, hey, hey. Don't stay up too late. 645 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,160 I will. 646 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,320 Sorry. 647 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,400 You don't feel what? 648 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,800 Right. I'm supposed to be knocking on the parents' doors 649 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,560 to offer them a million quid for their stories. 650 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,960 Well, it's not for me to tell you what to do, is it? No. 651 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,520 But you know they don't want money. I know, but... 652 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,520 They want their daughters back. 653 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,000 And they'll never know what really happened to them. 654 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,600 Would you want to know if it was your daughter? 655 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,920 The truth? 656 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,760 Yeah. 657 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,840 Yeah. 658 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,600 The whole truth? Every detail? 659 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,320 Yeah. 660 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,360 Just to be there with her. 661 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,360 Yeah. 662 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,880 Maxine? 663 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,200 Maxine? 664 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,760 I know it's you. 665 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,120 One question and I'll leave you alone. 666 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,400 Did you know? 667 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,760 Did you know he'd killed them? 668 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,160 No comment. 669 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,120 Mum! 670 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,640 Subtitles by Red Bee Media