- ♪ MTV ♪
- I'm Tami Roman.
I have been cheated on before.
You [bleep] my man when I was married to him.
I even wrote a book about it,
and I've made it my mission
to help suspicious lovers catch their cheating partners
in the act. Hold up.
- You brought this to my place of business?
What is this? - Oh, [bleep].
- But catching a player is not a one-person game.
- We all know, he's been lying to everybody.
- Together, with my relationship coaches...
- You have to say, "I'm gonna step up
and do what's right."
- And stealthy investigation team,
we won't stop until we find the truth.
- They think they slick?
Well, we slicker.
- Are you ready to see the footage?
Once our investigation is complete,
the suspicious lover can team up
with the partner's other lover.
- Yeah. - Are you willing to, like,
team up with me though? 'Cause I would like you
to do this with me. - Oh, [bleep].
- Or take down both of them
in an undercover ambush.
- Who the [bleep] do you think you are?
- Why the [bleep] I got cameras in my mother-[bleep]?
What the [bleep] is wrong with you?
- Cheaters, beware.
- Don't play with me about my son.
- Your son?
- The truth doesn't cost anything.
There was a pregnancy scare.
- [cries] - But a lie
could cost you everything.
- You gotta fundamentally say, "I'm gonna be different."
- You know I luh you. - You love me?
Act like it. - You been playing with me
for years, and I ain't never did [bleep].
- We can't even figure out
what the [bleep] is going on in here!
- Tami! Tami!
- Nobody should think they're better
than anybody else, 'cause y'all all [bleep] been played,
and that's just the truth.
This is
"Caught in the Act: Unfaithful."
- ♪ I love my attitude ♪
♪ I love my attitude ♪
♪ Yeah, this mood ♪
- Hello, Ruby. - Hi.
How are you? - I am doing well.
- Good. - Aw, thank you so much.
- Yes.
- ♪ I love my attitude ♪
[dramatic music]
- Sorry, I'm just really nervous right now.
- That's okay. Take your time.
You don't need to be nervous.
I wouldn't think you would be nervous.
You got your titties saying hi to me quicker than you did.
[laughter]
I wanna hear all about you.
- I do marketing as my full-time job,
and then, I also do modeling on the side.
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. - And three years ago,
did this marketing media at a festival,
and that's when I actually met Johnny.
Uh, he was just doing some photography,
and I just came up to him, and I asked him
if he can get some shots of me,
and then ever since then,
we hit it off. - Now, is he a photographer?
- Yes, he is. So it was more of, like,
a professional relationship at first.
- And so what shifted in you
that you said, "I like me some Johnny.
"I'm taking him out of the friend zone,
and I wanna be more than that"?
- Well, I think it was just him
taking me out and just treating me right.
I feel like I deserve someone who's gonna treat me
with the uttermost respect,
and he really did deliver that,
and the fact that he's older,
more mature--
I adore him. I love him,
and he is such an amazing person.
- You said he's older. How much older is he?
- Um, he's about ten years older than me.
- How old are you? - I'm 23.
- You're a baby! - I know I am.
- Ugh.
What about his personality?
Like, do you guys have the same type of personality?
- Yeah, I feel like we have a lot of stuff in common.
Like, you know, I love modeling,
and that's something that me and Johnny relate to.
- Share? - Yeah.
I actually started a business with him.
It was mainly photoshoots,
and I actually invested $10,000
of my savings to get equipment.
- Mm. - So my job is I'm recruiting
these models and reaching out to them,
and then Johnny is the photographer.
- At least you're showing him that you're ten toes down.
- Mm-hmm. - That you're, like,
in it to win it with him-- - Yeah.
- To help him build. - Mm-hmm.
- You see a future with Johnny?
- Yes, I do. You know, I eventually
would like to get married and have kids,
because up until this point,
there hasn't been any issues.
- Do you live together?
- Yes. - So when you guys moved in
together, he was paying the rent, all of that stuff?
- At first, he was.
But then, because I make multiple sources of income,
I was the one paying for rent.
- [sighs] Oh, dear.
Have you seen any drive
to where Johnny says, "I can't continue
"to let my girlfriend do all of this stuff.
I've gotta step up to the plate"?
- No.
It's really frustrating.
That's where our relationship started to decline.
His behavior has changed, like, drastically,
especially since we started our business together.
- When you started the business together...
- At first, it was fine, but then, he would stay later
at the studio, and he'll tell me excuses
like, "Oh, sorry, I can't make it to date night,"
like, "I'm at the studio." - Mm.
- And then we had got a new phone
for the clients to contact us through.
- Business line, - Yeah, and everything
was fine at first, but then a few weeks after,
he, like, put this lock on the phone.
When I tried asking him for the passcode,
he was being really weird about it
and was like, "Hold on. Give me a second."
- Yeah. - Like, that doesn't
make sense. Like, "what are you hiding?"
- Mm-hmm. - You know?
And I unlocked the phone,
and it turns out that he was flirting with the models,
and there's one phone number that he's kept calling
on that work phone.
- How long were the conversations?
- 20 to 30 minutes each time, several times a day,
and sometimes he'll be out, like, 1:00 or 2:00 a.m.,
and I'm like, "Who are you calling?"
There's no reason to be calling
your clients at that time at all.
- Right, so when you ask him that, what does he say?
- He was just like, "This is what I do for work.
"If you can't accept what I'm trying to do,
then why are you here?"
And it really hurts my feelings.
Not only have I, like,
supported him and invested $10,000
into his business--
for him to treat me like that,
it just is not fair.
So I moved out. - Mm.
So you're out of the house-- - Mm-hmm.
- That you guys initially had shared together?
- Yeah. - If you were to find out
that he was cheating,
what then?
- [sighs] [chuckles]
I feel like I would be very hurt
because I've gone through so much in my life.
So when I was nine,
my parents got divorced.
So I think that's why I kind of have some issues
worrying about someone being faithful to me.
I actually left my house when I was 15 years old.
- You did? - I've been on my own
ever since. - 15...
- Yeah. - Could you be bringing baggage
from your trauma
into your relationship with Johnny
because he was a little inappropriate, maybe?
But maybe it is that he has to talk a certain way
to make sure people book another session.
- Yeah. - You know?
- But I just don't understand
why it's the same phone number
over and over.
Aside from everything that has happened
in our relationship, I just feel like
he's the right one for me,
and I've gone through so much
in my life that I feel like
I have never felt love
until I met Johnny.
- Wow. - Yeah.
- That's a big statement.
- I really want this relationship to work.
I want to settle down and have kids with him one day,
but I'm just hesitant because I'm--
go back to, like, my childhood traumas.
I just want--
just things to be normal.
- I get that,
so I'm gonna help you.
- Okay.
- With your permission,
I take everything that you've shared with me
to my investigation team
and discuss it with them,
and they, then, put Johnny under surveillance
to see if anything is going on.
- Mm-hmm. - And once they collect
enough evidence or lack thereof,
I'll call you back in, and we'll discuss it.
- That sounds great. Thank you so much, Tami.
- Oh, my goodness.
I'm gonna help you through this.
- Yes. - So I'll call you
if I find something, okay?
- Thank you so much. - All right, thank you, Ruby.
[hip-hop music]
♪ ♪
- Got a call last night from Tami.
She got a new case that she wants me to investigate.
So we gonna start tonight over here
at this guy's studio, and he is a photographer.
I see his vehicle, so I know he's there.
So I'm just gonna get comfortable for a little bit--
see what happens.
♪ ♪
Here we go.
♪ ♪
Oh, gettin' in his truck.
All right.
They could be models,
could be one of the girls
that the girlfriend is suspicious of.
It's my job to find out.
So we're gonna see where he goes.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
All right, they parked in this parking lot.
♪ ♪
There they go.
Real casual--no touching,
no touching of no particular one.
Since this is a bar,
the cell phone gonna be my cover--
not gon' try to be too aggressive.
I just wanna get some quick shots of him, you know,
whatever is going on.
[percussive beat]
- [sighs]
From what I could observe,
no flirtatin' at all.
With these three chicks, I think it was just
a photography thing.
[hip-hop music]
You leavin', bruh?
I never, in my career,
seen a man come to a bar with three fine women
and leave by hisself.
Your girl worried about you cheatin'?
♪ ♪
All right, day two--
about to pull up to Johnny house.
Hopefully, he's home.
I need some action from Johnny.
I didn't get nothing last night.
Damn, man.
Sh...
this guy is not home.
What the hell?
All right, this joker gotta be at the studio.
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
Hot damn.
He right there.
Whew.
All right, let's just wait and see.
[hip-hop music]
♪ ♪
Oh, boy.
Johnny B--
got a little swag walkin'.
That one of 'em girls from yesterday.
Let's see what y'all doing.
Aw, holdin' the car door for her--okay.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
They pulled into this-- okay, a little restaurant.
♪ ♪
I can't park in that parking lot.
No--there's no open spots,
so right now, I gotta improvise.
♪ ♪
So let's see.
There's a wall right there. I wanna be able to catch them
getting out that car.
Maybe they might go hand-in-hand.
♪ ♪
[car honks]
♪ ♪
[hip-hop music]
She put her arm in his arm. [chuckles]
And now they holdin' hands.
[percussive beat]
♪ ♪
- She put her arm in his arm.
[camera lens whirring]
And now they holdin' hands.
Ah.
Whew.
So I'ma get inside this restaurant.
What I'ma use is the glasses,
because, again, with the glasses,
it's more of a natural look--
put 'em on, nobody suspects anything--
audio, video cameras inside of there--
believe in the fact that I can go and get in there
and get some good intel.
[sighs]
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
Hey, how are you?
Let me get the--a lemonade.
♪ ♪
[sighs]
♪ ♪
I need to hurry up because I don't wanna lose 'em.
This is a tight situation right here--
tight, tight, tight, tight.
[hip-hop music]
♪ ♪
All right, they pulled up to this unknown house.
I gotta good hit on this lady.
We gon' see what she about.
- ♪ Gotta be the definition perf--perfect little chick ♪
♪ I don't wear no fancy heels ♪
♪ I be dancing in my kicks ♪
♪ I ain't gotta make nobody proud ♪
♪ I rather make them sick ♪
- It's day three.
Today, I followed Johnny, from his house
as he picked up the woman from yesterday,
over here to this shopping plaza.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
You see her getting out.
♪ ♪
I don't want them to get too far ahead of me.
So what I'ma do--
I'ma go ahead and get ready to go in--
use this right here as a Bluetooth headset.
There's a camera right here,
so that way I'll be able to capture,
hopefully, the most important stuff
that I need to capture today.
- I'm working on it!
- Whew.
Just made my day.
I'ma go ahead and break it off.
I got some good stuff for today,
and we're gon' get out of here.
Tomorrow gon' be busy.
[hip-hop music]
♪ ♪
After a long day of waiting outside,
he came out dressed to what looks like date night.
♪ ♪
[dramatic music]
He walked into that bar restaurant.
♪ ♪
Looks like the same chick that
we just saw the last two days.
♪ ♪
- ♪ Whoo ♪
[hip-hop dance music playing]
♪ ♪
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
- ♪ Let go ♪
♪ Seasons change and our love went cold ♪
♪ Feed the flame 'cause we can't let go ♪
♪ Run away ♪
- Hi. - Hey there.
You look beautiful today.
- Thank you. You too.
- Feeling very--like, kind of with the red and the red lip
and the Hollywood glam. - Thank you.
Hi. - This is DJ Envy.
Have a seat. - Good, thank you.
[dramatic music]
- In case you're not familiar with him,
he is a radio personality.
But more importantly,
he's an author, and he has a book on relationships
with his wife of 28 years,
and I thought he'd be the perfect person
to sit in on this case
to be able to help you process
anything that you might see
that makes you feel some type of way.
- Okay. - I'm excited to see
what the surveillance team has. - Yes.
- They've sent the footage, but I need to make sure
that you absolutely want to see it,
because it could change
the dynamic of your relationship
with Johnny going forward.
- I mean, at the end of the day,
I just wanna know the truth.
- Okay, so you wanna see it?
- Yes, I do. - Here we go.
This is our first day of surveillance,
and we meet up with Johnny at the studio.
There's four women with him.
They all get in the car together.
- Are they, like, models?
- When I watched it, that's what I assumed,
because you said that that's what he does for a living.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, I mean, it all feels very friendly.
- Mm-hmm. - Then he comes out
to his vehicle--
continue to follow him,
and he ends up at his house,
and that was the end of it. - Doesn't really seem that bad.
So that's everything?
- No. - Okay.
- This is our second day of surveillance,
and he's coming out of the studio
with this young lady.
- I can't really see her face.
- Very chivalrous. - Mm-hmm.
- He opened the door,
made sure she was safe and secure.
- [gasps]
- Do you know who that is?
- I've seen her before.
They seem very friendly. - But you don't know her name?
- No.
That's not one of the models that I recruited.
♪ ♪
- Are you [bleep] serious right now?
- Now, I don't know where that falls in
in terms of keeping the business together.
- Wow. - [sighs]
This makes me so mad.
I'm just so upset right now, like...
- Yeah, 'cause that's not a chick he's just knocking off.
The way they're holding hands,
the way they're grabbing each other,
they are comfortable with each other.
- Well, let's go on to the next one.
- There's more? - Oh, yes.
We followed them.
- And they're holding hands?
Obviously, they seem like they're in a relationship.
- Are you kidding me?
She's trying to-- - Did you hear what he said?
- He's working on leaving me. [chuckles]
And the fact that she knows about me too,
and she's trying to get rid of me.
- This bitch...
ugh, gosh.
♪ ♪
[sighs]
I can't believe he would even do that to me.
Does he think I'm just so young and naive?
[Bleep]. - What he's saying is,
"I wanna be with you," but he hasn't broken up
with you yet. Is he staying around
because you keep funding him?
- It seems like it-- - Like you're his "sugar mama"?
- Because obviously, he's taking advantage
of everything that I've ever given him.
- You're enabling him to do that.
- This is the final day of surveillance,
and he met up with the same young lady.
- Hmm.
[festive dance music playing]
- Oh, hell no.
♪ ♪
- So she's all over him.
- Ooh, I'm gonna [bleep] beat her ass when I see her.
♪ ♪
Oh, my God, are you [bleep] serious?
- On the side of the car.
- They're basically, like, having sex.
- Wow.
- They end up back at his house.
That's something that he wouldn't be able to do
if you were still in the home.
- Exactly. - So now with you gone,
it's fair game. - She's come into my house
and just totally disrespected me,
knowing that I'm fully in a relationship with him.
It's just not fair.
- And then the next morning. - Oh, my God.
- With her shoes in her hand,
and her bare feet on that nasty ground.
[dramatic music]
- I'm just so mad right now.
- Well, tell me why you're mad.
- He's taking advantage
of everything that I've given him--
the money, the time, the effort,
and me putting into this relationship.
It's not right. - There's a much
bigger picture as it pertains to you.
I see someone who comes from your background--
very self-sufficient,
very independent,
on your grind, taking care of yourself.
You've done all of that,
but what you didn't have
was
someone to provide for you.
Here comes Johnny,
and Johnny gives you the presentation
that he's gonna be that person
that is going to be there for you.
- And then he just sucked me in.
- You didn't have that man figure in your life.
You didn't have that love,
so he used that against you
because he knew he could control you.
This is where that young girl
that he was taking advantage of changes.
You tell him what you feel,
what you mean, what you expect.
Whether you stay, whether you don't,
you stand up like the strong person that you are.
- You can ask for your $10,000 back.
- I'm with Tami. I would try
to get my money back. - I just wanna know why.
- We have two options.
You could sit down one-on-one with her--
you guys could exchange notes, whatever,
and then you can go together
and confront Johnny,
and that's what we call a team up,
or you can wait
until my investigation team
finds Johnny and that young lady together
and confront them both in the act.
That's called a takedown.
- I wanna take them down,
'cause obviously, she knows
about me and Johnny,
and there is nothing I have to say to her.
- All right.
- Thanks. - I'm sorry I had to be hard
on you. I'll call you soon
if we find something. - Thank you.
- ♪ Focus on me one time ♪
- ♪ 'Cause you're a bad boy ♪
♪ Wastin' all the time ♪
♪ Yeah, you're a bad boy ♪
- So the investigation team just reached out to me,
and they did some extra digging
and found out that the young lady
from the video, her name is Charlie.
- Mm. - And guess what.
- What? - Charlie is
at Johnny's house right now.
- Really? - Mm-hmm.
That's why I came to get you--
so that we can go get Ruby
and take her to have this conversation.
- Okay.
[dramatic music]
Hey, Ruby.
- Hi. - Hi, Ruby,
- Hi. - How are you?
- Doin' all right.
- Good. - I'm mostly, like,
in shock about the whole thing.
You know, I just feel, like, heartbroken and hurt
that he could even do anything like this to me.
- Do not forget her,
because she was very aware
that he was in a relationship with you.
Let's think deeper. - Yeah.
- On the "why"--
particularly with the young lady,
maybe posing it in a way, like,
"What about me
"gives you the impression
"that my emotions don't matter,
that my love for him doesn't matter?"
Maybe posing it in a way that's, you know,
she can wrap her head around to be able to answer.
My surveillance team was outside
and found the young lady
from the video
is at Johnny's house right now.
- I'm ready to get some answers
from her and from him.
- I think you should get more to why he did what he did--
why he cheated,
when he started cheating,
you know, the reason why he went through this process
and not tell you.
Was he intimate with this young lady?
Did he wear protection with this young lady?
How long were they like that?
To figure out if this is a pattern for him.
I know it's a lot,
but I want you to know that you have to be strong,
and like I tell my daughter, if she gets into a incident
with any man, be as strong as possible,
then cry in the car. - Those are good words
of advice. [laughter]
[hip-hop music]
- The investigation team has planned for a pizza delivery,
because that's the only way
that we have access into the house.
- Mm-hmm. - And when we see
that delivery person,
that is when you're going to go out of this van,
and our cameras will be with you along the way.
- Mm-kay.
- Kay, we are here.
The pizza guy's about to walk up.
So you can go on. - Okay.
- Get behind him.
- Don't worry. We'll be watching everything.
- Okay. - When we need to come in,
we will. Okay.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
- [knocking on door]
Delivery.
♪ ♪
How you doin'? - Hey.
- Pizza-- - Oh...
- What the [bleep] is going on? - Hold on, wait.
- Naw, no, no, no, naw.
I need some [bleep] answers from you.
Don't [bleep] run away.
Nah, nah, nah. Open the [bleep] door.
- No, hold on.
- Who's in there? - I'm just doing her shoot.
- I don't think they were doing a photo shoot.
- No, I [bleep] caught your ass.
- Don't let her talk to you like that.
- Don't let her-- no, no, no.
This is my man.
[Bleep]. - Chill.
- Don't tell me to [bleep] chill.
- Why are all these cameras here?
- How long has this been going on for?
How long? How old is she?
- Don't do this. - Don't worry.
- Listen--no, you need to go.
- No, I don't even wanna hear from her.
Who are you to say that he is yours?
- We have been in a relationship for a year!
[striking dramatic tone]
- Excuse me? - Get out.
This is not [bleep]--
this is not your [bleep] house!
This is not your house! - Charlie.
- Oh, this bitch.
- Who are you to say that he is yours--what?
- We have been in a relationship for a year!
- Chill. - Excuse me?
- Get out! Get out!
This is not [bleep]-- this is not your [bleep] house!
This is not your house! - Charlie.
Stay here for a second, all right?
Look, this [bleep] has not been working, all right?
- Between us? - Yeah, you haven't
even been here! You left.
What am I supposed to do?
- That doesn't mean you go behind my back
and you [bleep] cheat with some ho.
- She's not some ho, all right? Like--
- Well, clearly--she's dressed in [bleep] long dre--
- Stop. You know nothing.
- I don't need to know [bleep] about you.
- Let's go in there. - Okay.
- Do you know how broke this man is?
Do you know how much I invested my time and my money
into his business? - Ruby.
Can you-- - Ten [bleep]
dollars--did you know that?
- What are you talking about? Like, it's an investment
that came back to you. - No, it hasn't.
- Hello, everybody.
How are you all? - Ruby, what the [bleep]?
- Johnny, my name is Tami Roman,
and you're on a show
called "Caught in the Act: Unfaithful."
This is my trusted confidant, DJ Envy.
Now, Ruby came to us,
because she felt like there was
some infidelity in her relationship with you.
We put you under surveillance
for a few days and found you to be interacting
with this young lady whose name is...?
- Charlie. - Charlie.
So now, she wanted to have
a conversation with both of you about what's going on.
- I need to know the answers.
You have given me nothing but lies.
You said, "Oh, sorry, I need to stay late
at the studio." - It's not all about you.
- What do you mean it's not about me?
- When you say it's not about her,
if she's supposed to be in a relationship with you,
and you guys have a business together--
- Mm-hmm. - That she invested in,
why do all of that rather than just tell her
you didn't wanna be with her? Because you and Charlie--
the kissing, the hugging, the-- - Hands on the ass.
- The next morning--I mean, it was a lot going on.
- Like, I see all that.
- Let's sit down.
- Well, we're gonna try to explain it to you, Charlie.
Have a seat, Johnny.
Charlie, you take that one over there.
While everybody's sitting here, let's roundtable this thing.
- Okay, I just wanna know, like, why you even decided
to cheat on me.
- You're not there.
You're not there for me emotionally.
You're not there for me, like,
whenever I need help with the business.
- I've invested so much money,
so why do you say that I'm not there?
- Just because you invested-- - Wait, wait,
I have a question.
How long have you guys been talking--a year, you said?
- So a year ago, you didn't feel that Ruby
was worth the respect,
at the very least, to say,
"This is not working"?
- It started as just work.
I didn't expect it to go this far, and it did.
- Mm-hmm. - Why didn't you just end
things with me? Why did it go on--
- Because of the business. Like, it's hard--
- Okay, but, like, we could've had, like, a conversation.
I spent three years of my life.
- It's over. - Bro, shut the [bleep] up.
[dramatic music]
- Well, he tells me all these stories
about how she's not treating him right,
and he's been telling me this for a while, and so, like,
on our first date, we had a spark, and he was like,
"This is my out. I've been wanting to end it
for a long time," like, "You have been a blessing
to me," like, "I'm ready to take it
"to the next level. I wanna get married.
I wanna have a future. I wanna have children,"
and he was on the same page with me.
He had explained that they had been done for months.
- Understood. - And so when he didn't
break up with her, like,
the first month of being together--
- Right. - You know, he kept saying,
like, "Oh, you know, she's having some mental issues
"going on. She has stuff going on
with her family," this and that.
So he, like, led me to believe all these reasons
of why he couldn't-- - So you were willingly
being played as a side chick?
- Here's the thing for me, Charlie--
when you saw that a year had gone by,
and there was no change
in his dynamic with Ruby,
why would you stay in that situation?
- I mean, he promised me that they were not intimate.
He promised me that they weren't in the same bed.
Um... - And that was sufficient
for you? - Yeah, I mean, our connection,
though, was just so deep. I felt like I understood
what he was going through
and it being hard to cut somebody off
because you still love them, and you've spent all that time
with them, but you know it's not right,
and she is so young.
She is not ready to get married.
She's not ready for a family.
- Well, have you had a conversation with her
to know that she's not ready for those things?
- No, but she's, like...
- It doesn't matter, my age, though, obviously.
- But yeah, it does, 'cause you're not there.
You're not ready for what I want
at this point in my life.
- Why didn't you just be honest?
You know she's a lot younger,
and you know she's a lot younger.
- At first, it was fun. We were having a good time.
- But she was still fueling your business
and giving you money. - I was like your sugar mama,
basically. - Yeah, you were
her sugar mama. That's what it seems like.
- I don't owe you [bleep].
- We call people like you cowards,
and the reason we call you cowards
is you know she's easily influenced,
and you picked a girl that had no father figure.
You used and abused her.
You took her money. You taking her money
and [bleep] somebody else
is being a coward. - [Bleep] this [bleep].
- Oh, my God. - Johnny, stop!
[dramatic music]
- We call people like you cowards.
- [Bleep] this [bleep]. - Oh, my God.
- Johnny, stop! - We're good.
Ruby, it's done. Delete my number.
You're good.
- Johnny, I wanna have a conversation with you.
I don't wanna paint you out to be the bad guy,
which is why I think you jumped up and said, "You know what?
[Bleep] it. I'm done."
So tell me the truth from your perspective.
- We ended up going into business together,
and she wanted to invest,
so I don't owe her that.
Like, I never asked her for that.
Why would I wanna, like,
be with someone that's hanging this over my head
when I didn't even ask for it?
- I don't think she was coming
from a perspective of hanging it over your head
in the way that she presented it to me.
"I love this person greatly.
"I wanna marry him. I see a future with him.
"Things have changed, and now he's kind of iced me out
of something that I invested in,"
and that's how that came up.
So she wasn't trying to be like, "'Cause I did"--
it was never that.
So when you come from where she comes from,
being completely independent since 15 years old,
she meets you and feels like
you're everything she's ever wanted.
Now all of a sudden, things are different,
and she doesn't understand why.
- How long did you know about her?
Did you know about her from the start?
- It was when we were on our first date.
He kept saying, "I've been needing to get out
of this toxic relationship," like, "This is my way out."
- But it's not really a way out.
- I mean, he's happy with me.
So, like, you need to just accept that.
- I just can't, like, take a step back and be like,
"Okay, I'm gonna be cool with this,"
because I'm not, you know?
- Well, I mean you're gonna have to be at some point--
- Whoa... - Because him and I are
gonna be together.
- You understand what's going on and what he did to her.
Even though you can sit here and act like you don't,
you've been through that situation,
and you know when a man did you dirty.
You know when a man sold you dreams and didn't necessarily
do what he was supposed to do.
That's the same thing she's understanding and seeing.
Like, she thought that was the love of her life.
The first time she seen you,
you were pouring liquid down your breasts,
and he was licking it up.
- I get it. I get it.
But I am ready to get married, have children,
and Johnny and I are serious.
I just don't feel that bad. I don't.
- If he did that to her, who's to say
he's not gonna do it to you?
He's taking pictures with models.
- I get it, but I-- - He's a photographer.
Who's to say he doesn't find the next hot date,
the next beautiful lady?
- I get it, but you just don't know what we have.
- You know, she thought that as well.
- I think this is a moment where you needed to man up.
All of this would've been avoided
if you had just said to her,
"Ruby, you and I don't work."
- I know. It's a lot easier
said than done.
I feel so bad for Ruby,
'cause, like, I do love her,
and I was deeply in love with her.
- And you fell out of it?
What you just said to me, I completely received,
but it's also selfish,
because you're with a whole nother woman
versus "This ain't working."
You understand? - I understand.
- We were watching you on surveillance.
Do you know that times when he wasn't with you,
there was surveillance of him with other women?
[striking dramatic tone]
Going to bars, drinking and frolicking--
- I don't know you, and I don't believe your [bleep] right now.
- Yeah, but, like, where do you think this is gonna go?
- This is all I hear from you right now.
- Okay, but, like, I don't give a [bleep]
if that's what you hear. - Okay.
- Because I'm just trying to talk to you.
- Well then, you can leave. Like, it's over.
Like, there's nothing else to talk about.
- No, there's plenty to talk about.
- Oh, my gosh.
I've heard enough of you.
I don't care what you have to say anymore.
Like, I'm done. I'm over it.
I'm over all of this.
Just [bleep] leave. There's the [bleep] door.
Go. - Oh, hell no, bitch, like...
- What are you gonna [bleep] do?
- Beat your ass, that's what I'm gonna do.
- Go--no! Get out of here!
- [Bleep] you.
- It's over! - No, it doesn't matter.
- It is over. - [Bleep] you, bitch.
- What are you gonna [bleep] do?
- Beat your ass, that's what I'm gonna do.
- Go--no! Get out of here!
- [Bleep] you.
- It's over! No, you!
- Charlie. - The audacity.
- Now, Ruby, this is what's happening.
You need to have this conversation with him.
So y'all can figure out what y'all wanna do.
- I need some answers from you.
[dramatic music]
- I'm sorry it had to come out like this.
Like, I should've told you.
I love you as a person, but I'm not in love with you anymore.
I don't know what to tell you.
Like...
- So let's sit down
so that we can put some closure on this thing.
Okay, so I think that everybody
deserves to understand
the timeline on-- you're in a relationship
with Ruby-- when did it shift?
When did you enter the relationship with Charlie?
To us getting right here.
- So it almost seemed like she was the boss,
and she had control over everything,
when this was supposed to be a mutual thing.
- I was that much of a pain for you?
- Let him finish, Ruby. Go ahead.
- So, like, when I shot with Charlie,
it was different, you know?
Like, I got that feeling of just happiness again,
and it wasn't so much pressure, and I know,
like, it shouldn't have happened,
but Ruby and I--I don't know, we argue a lot,
and when that happens, I don't wanna be around.
- Which relationship are you continuing?
[fast-paced dramatic music]
♪ ♪
- I wanna be with Charlie.
- Okay.
Now, Ms. Charlie was wrong,
because you knew he was in a relationship with her.
Let me tell you something--
how you get 'em is how you lose 'em,
and you're the person that he wants to be with.
Now, when you stop giving him what he needs--
- He's never lied to me.
- He did lie to you. The lie was,
"I am going to break it off with her,"
'cause none of that was happening.
So you and Charlie are gonna be in a relationship.
Just remember that, um,
they do have something called karma.
- Yup.
- That's it. You wanted the truth from me.
I feel like I gave it to you.
Now you can move on.
- Yeah. - So come on.
- [sarcastically] Hope you guys are so happy together.
- [gleefully] Bye.
- [Bleep].
- See ya.
- I really thought it was unfortunate that
Charlie would not give you an apology.
Like, she wanted no accountability in this moment,
and that's unfortunate. - I definitely agree with that.
I wish could've gotten a little bit more closure from her.
- Mm-hmm. - And she was absolutely,
positively wrong, but you do have to realize
when you're in a relationship, it should be 50/50.
- Yeah. - I think this is
a learning lesson, and it changes now.
- Okay. - Thank you, guys.
- You're welcome-- and you're just so beautiful!
And you're so smart, and you're so strong,
and I just--I know this is gonna be a distant memory.
- That's right.
- ♪ Break me till my heart is numb ♪
♪ Love to watch me come undone ♪
♪ Said you'd never hurt no one ♪
♪ Liar, liar ♪
♪ Burn this place into the ground ♪
♪ Liar, liar ♪
[webcam line trills]
- Hey there, Ruby.
- Hi, how are you?
- I am doing well.
last time we were together
was something else.
- Yes, it was.
- So Johnny-- are you still talking to him?
- No. So the last time
I talked to Johnny was after the show,
and I asked to get all of my equipment back
from our business, and so
I sold all that, and he did end up
paying me back a little bit more
to compensate for that.
- Now, let's talk about Charlie.
Clearly, you haven't spoken to her.
- No, I have not. I was really surprised
that she was just not willing
to even apologize or even kind of, like, take accountability
for her whole part in this.
I have no idea if Johnny and her are still together
or what that deal is,
but you know what? I don't even care to know.
I feel like this opportunity
has given me more knowledge
to just kind of, like, see outside myself
and kind of learn what do I want in, you know,
a character--in a person that
I'm gonna give myself to a relationship in, you know?
So yeah, I think that this was
a really good experience for me.
- So are you single? Are you dating?
- So I am dating around.
- Datin' around?
- Going on dating sites, you know?
Just kind of trying to figure out what kind of man I'd like.
- Has there been one that's kind of been a standout?
- Not yet. I'm just trying
to really be picky now, because I'm just like,
"I gotta know if you're worth my time or not."
- Yes. Well, thank you for letting me
check in with you, Ruby.
I hope the next one works out for you in way
that is positive and blessed.
All right? - All right, thank you
so much, Tami.
- All right. Have a good one.
Bye. - You too--bye.
- Cheaters, beware.
- You [bleep] kissed her, you idiot!
- Next time you wanna be unfaithful, think again.
Let me tell you one mother-[bleep] thing!
Oh, no, oh, no, oh, Lord, oh, Lord!
Because I just might-- oh, God, she's running--
catch you in the act.