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[haunting music playing]

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[switch clicks]

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[tape rewinding]

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[switch clicks, tape plays]

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[man speaks indistinctly]

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[Marilyn Monroe]
<i>Oh, uh, I'd like to ask you,</i>

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<i>how do you go about writing a life story?</i>

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<i>Because... </i>[sighs]

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<i>...the true things
rarely get into circulation.</i>

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<i>It's usually the false things.</i>

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<i>If you ever get any of those things
you want to ask, I'll tell you.</i>

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<i>All of those things come from the truth,
you know?</i>

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<i>Because otherwise,
it's hard to know where to start</i>

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<i>if you don't start with the truth.</i>

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[whirring]

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[distorted voices]

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- [switch clicks]
- [man] The truth

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and Marilyn,
it's like going into the lion's den.

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- [tape rewinding]
- [music builds]

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I got into the case
when I was contacted out of the blue

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by a senior British newspaper editor,

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who said that
the District Attorney in Los Angeles

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had reopened the case of her death.

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After 20 years,
it's time to clear up this case.

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[reporter 1] <i>Monroe died
from an overdose of sleeping pills.</i>

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<i>Speculation surrounding Monroe's death
continues to this day.</i>

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Was it a matter of taking too many pills?
Was it a suicide?

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[reporter 1] <i>The charge is
Marilyn Monroe was murdered.</i>

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[Anthony] And crazy conspiracy theories.

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[reporter 1]
<i>Someone in the CIA killed Monroe.</i>

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There's a mystery about the story.

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Sex and politics.

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The Kennedy brothers.

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The Cuban Revolution.

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Question mark.
Question mark. Question mark.

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And that's where I came in.

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<i>I'm trying to get a handle
on what kind of creature she was.</i>

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[man 1] <i>She was very frightened.</i>

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[Anthony] I interviewed a thousand people.

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[woman] <i>There's a great myth around her.</i>

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[Anthony] I wound up with
650 tape-recorded interviews.

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I hope I've not got obsessed.

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[man 2] <i>I hope your phone is clean.</i>

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[Anthony laughs] <i>I hope so too, yes.</i>

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The tapes I accumulated
during the writing of the book

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have never been heard by the public.

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[tape rewinds, stops]

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[woman] <i>Nobody ever knew everything.</i>

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[Anthony] What I learned was information
that changed completely

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what we thought we knew
about her mysterious death,

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and it suggests that the circumstances
of her dying was covered up.

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[haunting music fades]

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[Anthony]
I worked in investigative journalism

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all over the world.

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My initial idea was to spend
two or three weeks working on the case,

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and it turned into more than three years.

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Marilyn Monroe had been
a part of my growing up.

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But I had
a very peripheral knowledge of her life.

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[announcer 1] <i>Marilyn Monroe,
the Golden Girl of Hollywood.</i>

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[announcer 2]
<i>The dazzling fame of Marilyn Monroe</i>

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<i>delights the critics
and attracts the public in swarms.</i>

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[Anthony] I knew that
there was an absolute national

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and international fascination
with Marilyn.

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[announcer 3]
<i>Marilyn Monroe was this era's sex symbol.</i>

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[announcer 4] <i>Marilyn Monroe trod
the summit of her profession.</i>

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[announcer 5]
<i>Something remarkable happened</i>

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<i>when she stepped before a camera.</i>

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[Anthony]
She was also a remarkable actress.

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<i>♪ While tearing off a game of golf ♪</i>

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[Anthony]
A global figure of show business.

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[indistinct clamor]

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[gasps]
<i>♪ 'Cause my heart belongs to Daddy ♪</i>

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[announcer 6]
<i>A queen in her own realm of entertainment.</i>

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<i>She was adored by millions.</i>

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[Anthony] Marilyn became
the most famous woman in the world.

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She still is.

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[announcer 6]
<i>A self-illuminating body, a star.</i>

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[Anthony] I started work.

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Finding people, knocking on doors.

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Dig, dig, dig in that chatterbox
of a place called Hollywood.

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[phone line rings]

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[Anthony] Glued to the phone...

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[phone line rings]

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...to get to people with information
about the night Marilyn died.

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[phone line rings, connects]

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[man 1] Tony, I have often said
that I could put together

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a scenario that would absolutely
blow the minds of anybody who read it,

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but it would be terribly costly
to government agencies,

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friends of mine, to people I know.

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- [Anthony] Yeah.
- I don't think I want to do that.

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[Anthony] It was difficult.

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[man 2] But I never talk
to the press ever, ever, ever.

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But I can't say anything,
and I knew it all.

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[Anthony] It was like
banging on a brick wall.

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- [man 3] Except it's a waste of your time.
- [Anthony] Why?

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And I wonder if you could...

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I don't want to be the one
who sets the record straight.

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- But, I mean, I don't know you.
- [Anthony] Fine.

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Let it be.

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[ominous music playing]

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[Anthony] I was getting nowhere.

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So instead,

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I did what you always have
to do if you meet a dead end.

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I went back to the beginning.

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[quiet jazz music playing]

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[announcer 7] <i>Hollywood,</i>

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<i>brilliant tinsel city
of lights and fantasy.</i>

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<i>Hollywood,</i>

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<i>glorified, glittering, fascinating,
fabulous mythical kingdom.</i>

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<i>Hollywood,
the glamour capital of the world.</i>

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[Marilyn] <i>When I was a kid, and I remember
at the movies on Saturday afternoon...</i>

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[actor 1] <i>Let's take a spin down
the Boulevard and see what we can find!</i>

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[Marilyn] <i>...I'd never come out
of the movie. They'd have to come get me.</i>

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[announcer 7] <i>Ah, Garbo!</i>

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[Marilyn] <i>Bad, good, didn't matter.</i>

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[announcer 7]<i> Hollywood's playground!</i>

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[Marilyn] <i>Anything that would move
on the screen.</i>

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[announcer 7]<i> And here inside the gates,</i>

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<i>there's more stars than the Milky Way!</i>

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<i>If you don't believe it, just follow us!</i>

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[Marilyn] <i>My favorite was Jean Harlow.</i>

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<i>- She had white hair.</i>
- [crowd cheering]

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[announcer 7]
<i>The one and only Marlene Dietrich!</i>

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<i>Cary Grant arrives with his best grin.</i>

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<i>As usual, Cary has
a genial greeting for everybody!</i>

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[Marilyn]<i> And Clark Gable.</i>

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[announcer 7] <i>Clark walked
into the forecourt...</i>

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<i>The crowd is still shouting
for their favorite!</i>

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[Marilyn] <i>Although I was a kid
and I didn't know anything about acting,</i>

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<i>I...</i> [hesitates]

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<i>I wanted to know.</i>

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[phone line rings]

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[phone line continues ringing]

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[phone line connects]

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[Anthony]
Could I speak to Al Rosen, please?

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[Al] Talking.

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[Anthony] Hello, Mr. Rosen.

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[Al] Yup.

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- Marilyn Monroe. I knew her very well.
- [Anthony] You did?

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- [Al] I'm talking about in the beginning.
- [Anthony] Yes.

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- [Al] When she was a kid.
- [Anthony] At that time...

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[Al] Well, I was... Al Rosen Agency was
one of the top agencies in the business.

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- [Anthony] Right.
- We handled Cary Grant, Fredric March.

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- Jack Oakie, Judy Garland, you know.
- [Anthony] Right.

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[Al] But, you see,
the history of this business is

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you got one thing, I'll guarantee it,
which you didn't know about.

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- In this business, in the golden years...
- [Anthony] Yeah.

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...every casting director,
every studio used to have a black book,

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you know what I mean?

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So, every girl, you know, I'm talking
about kids that were breaking in,

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like Marilyn Monroe,
you know, when they get started,

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all the casting directors,

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they would write in their black book
who could be laid.

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[Anthony] Hmm. Yeah.

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[Al] You see, the business
has changed since then.

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Today, it's the buck.

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[Anthony] Right.

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It used to be sex. Remember that.

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[announcer 1] <i>Calling all girls!
Calling all girls!</i>

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<i>And now, all those lovely hopefuls
have their chance.</i>

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<i>The process of selecting
just the right girls is a careful one.</i>

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[announcer 2] <i>My, my,
what a smart looking crowd.</i>

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<i>Isn't she a honey?</i>

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<i>Isn't she sweet?</i>

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Neck, 12 and a half.

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Bust, 34 and a half.

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[announcer 3] <i>Pride. Adventure. Ambition.</i>

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<i>From the ends of the Earth they come,
waiting for the magic call.</i>

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[discordant music playing]

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- [phone line rings]
- [Anthony] Hello?

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[woman] Hello?

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How can I help you?

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[Anthony] You knew Monroe, um,
at the beginning.

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[Gloria] Well, my husband knew her first,
early '40s.

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[Anthony] Oh, as early as that?

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[Gloria] Oh, yes.

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You know, a generous girl,
warm girl, really rather lovable.

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She was very much on the restaurant scene
and the club scene.

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- [Anthony] But at Romanoff's.
- [Gloria] Yeah. Enormous fun.

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[Anthony] Uh-huh.

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And it was quite exotic.

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It had a real mélange of people,

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and it was sort of the mecca for agents.

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It had all of the film VIPs.

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- All the pretty girls hung out there.
- [Anthony] Right.

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[Gloria] And Marilyn was among them,
of course.

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[announcer 3] <i>So young is Hollywood</i>

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<i>that many of its earliest pioneers
are still active in the industry.</i>

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<i>Men like Joseph Schenck,
chairman of the board of 20th Century Fox.</i>

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<i>Mr. Schenck brought about an era
of epic, dramatic screen stories.</i>

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[Anthony] You know the stories
about Schenck and her?

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They were true, were they?

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Oh, sure. Schenck was a human being.

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- You know what I mean.
- [Anthony] Yeah.

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[Al] She had a bunch of 'em.
He wasn't the only one.

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[Gloria] There were a group
who gathered at Schenck's.

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- She was always very much at his house.
- [Anthony] Yeah.

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<i>♪ Anyone can see I love you ♪</i>

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[Gloria] And she was beginning
to make a few strides.

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<i>♪ And smile in your direction ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Tells the world my heart is filled
With nothing but affection... ♪</i>

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[Anthony] So where are we now?

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[Gloria] In 1948.

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[Anthony] With <i>Ladies of the Chorus. </i>Hmm.

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[unsettling music playing]

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[Anthony] Male-dominated,
women in movies exploited.

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But it soon became clear
that Marilyn was no pushover.

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She wanted to be taken seriously.

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She wanted to be an actress.

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She worked the system
to her own advantage.

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Johnny Hyde was one of the most
influential agents in the country.

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Johnny Hyde loved her.

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He left his wife on her account.

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He was 53, 30 years older
than she was, and very wealthy.

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Hyde had access to
the most powerful people in Hollywood.

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He was also seriously ill
and had less than 18 months to live.

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Hyde devoted
those months totally to Marilyn.

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Her sugar daddy.

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<i>♪ Every baby needs a da-da-daddy
To keep her worry free ♪</i>

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[Anthony] By night, he escorted her
to the top people in town.

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<i>♪ Da-da-daddy
But where's the one for me? ♪</i>

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[Anthony] By day,
he praised Marilyn's talents.

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Having Hyde's patronage
could make her a star.

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<i>♪ Every baby needs a da-da-daddy
Could my da-daddy be you? ♪</i>

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[song instrumental continues]

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<i>- ♪ Every baby needs a da-da-daddy... ♪</i>
- [switch clicks]

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[John Huston] Johnny Hyde,

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who was a dear little man,
wonderful little man...

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- You know about him?
- [Anthony] Yes.

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- [Huston] Johnny was in love with her.
- [Anthony] Yeah.

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[Huston] Johnny Hyde spoke to me
about her first

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and then brought her over to Metro.

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Just, uh, very fresh.

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Very attractive.

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Rather timid.

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Shy.

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And, um we talked to her
and gave her a script.

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She went away
and came back a day or two later,

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and, well, Marilyn read her lines,

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and she read them very beautifully,
very well.

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And there was no question.

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She was ideal for the part.

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- [Anthony] In <i>The Asphalt Jungle?</i>
- Yes, indeed.

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That was that.

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[announcer] <i>Only once in a decade
does the screen come up with</i>

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<i>such absorbing characters.</i>

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<i>Marilyn Monroe as Angela,
the easy-living, green-eyed blonde.</i>

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[Huston] Marilyn went right down
into her own personal experience.

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For everything.

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She would reach down
and pull something out of herself

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that was unique and extraordinary.

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She found things
about womankind in herself.

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She had no technique.

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It was all the truth.

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It was only Marilyn,
but she was Marilyn plus.

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[presenter 1]
<i>An award to the popular new star.</i>

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And as best young box office personality,
Miss Marilyn Monroe.

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Thank you, Mr. Nichols.

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[announcer] <i>It's Marilyn Monroe,
skyrocketing to new dramatic heights.</i>

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[presenter 2] Marilyn Monroe,
all the moviegoers of America voted you

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the most popular actress of the year.
My congratulations.

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Thank you, Mr. Sammis.

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- Congratulations!
- Thank you, Lauren.

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And my thanks to <i>Look</i> magazine.

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[announcer] <i>A Hollywood incident
that marks another salute</i>

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<i>to Marilyn Monroe.</i>

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Thank you. I thank you very much.

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[host] And now here comes
a young lady who has

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created a real sensation
in the picture business,

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having won all kinds of awards
as the number one newcomer of the year.

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And believe me, a swell gal with a...

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Take it from me, I've known her
a long time, Miss Marilyn Monroe!

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Let's hear it! Come on out here, Marilyn!

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[applause]

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[cameras clicking]

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[inaudible]

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[narrator] <i>With Marilyn Monroe
and Jane Russell.</i>

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[dial tone]

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[Anthony] Hello, Jane Russell?

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[Jane Russell] Yes.

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She was very bright,
and she wanted to learn

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and was interested in everything
to help her control her career.

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[Anthony] Right.

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[Russell] And every night after work,
she would go to the coach.

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- [Anthony] Yes.
- [Russell] We were going home exhausted.

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She'd go to the coach.

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But she wanted to be good.

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Then when...

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[dramatic note plays]

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...the camera went on, it was like a whole
electric light went on in the, you know...

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[Anthony] Yeah.

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[Russell] They just came to life.

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<i>♪ Diamonds</i> ♪

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<i>♪ Are a girl's best... ♪</i>

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[dramatic trumpet instrumental plays]

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<i>♪ Best friend ♪</i>

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[trumpet flourish plays]

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[applause]

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[Marilyn] <i>I just felt like I was
on the outside of the world,</i>

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<i>and suddenly everything opened up.</i>

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[applause continues]

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[Marilyn] <i>The world became friendly.
It opened up to me.</i>

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[indistinct crowd chatter]

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[excited chatter]

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[Marilyn]<i> I said, "Gee, what happened?"</i>

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- [Marilyn giggles]
- [crowd cheering, clapping]

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[Marilyn] <i>If I am a star,
the people made me a star.</i>

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<i>But I do want to be wonderful, you know.</i>

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["Heat Wave" by Marilyn Monroe playing]

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<i>♪ We're having a heat wave
A tropical heat wave ♪</i>

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<i>♪ The temperature's rising
It isn't surprising ♪</i>

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<i>♪ She certainly can cancan ♪</i>

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[Marilyn] <i>I want to do the best
that I can do in that moment.</i>

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<i>When the camera starts until it stops.</i>

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<i>♪ We're havin' a heat wave ♪</i>

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<i>♪ A tropical heat wave ♪</i>

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[Marilyn] <i>That moment
I want to be... perfect.</i>

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<i>♪ Cancan ♪</i>

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[Marilyn giggles]

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[applause]

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[Marilyn] <i>I'll tell you,</i>

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<i>I'm terribly grateful</i>

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<i>because I remember when...</i>

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<i>things weren't like this at all.</i>

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[Huston] I saw her a time or two.

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- Years had gone by.
- [Anthony] Yeah.

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So she by now presumably looked different.

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By now she was dressed
to the T's, and she'd become the...

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the sex symbol of this country.

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And it wasn't...
It wasn't just a sex thing at all.

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Women felt just the same as men.

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There was something deeply moving
about Marilyn, always.

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We were close during the picture,

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and then we were... we, you know,
considered ourselves friends,

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but Marilyn kind of went
from one group to another.

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She would take off,
and it would be another.

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That would become the shell for a time.

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She didn't go back
and seek out any of the people

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that had become close to her.

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[Huston] There was something
so vulnerable, so...

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Something you felt

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could be easily destroyed.

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[disquieting music playing]

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[camera clicks]

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[disquieting music continues]

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[Anthony] When you tackle
so-called mysteries,

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it's difficult.

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What happened?
Was it suicide? Was it accident?

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Was it something more sinister?

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- [crows cawing]
- [light switch clicks]

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[Anthony] So, it was like
tapping cement with your finger.

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And then I came across

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the family of

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the last psychiatrist.

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It was a breakthrough.

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Dr. Ralph Greenson,

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the Hollywood psychiatrist

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who treated
and befriended Marilyn in her final years,

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just before her death in 1962.

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Ralph was dead.

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He had left a widow, Hildi,

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and his daughter, Joan,

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and his son, Danny.

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They were really helpful interviews
that gave me a real insight.

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[whirring, clicks]

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- [man] Hello?
- [Anthony] Hi.

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I know that your father took over
the West Coast work with Marilyn in 1960,

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just short of two years that
he was involved with her till she died.

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[Danny] Well, I hated Hollywood.
My family knew enough Hollywood people.

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You know, I had, at times,
met movie stars at parties

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and found the whole thing to be obnoxious.

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My notion was these people were...
were phoneys and narcissistic characters.

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I hated 'em.

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So when I heard
that Dad was seeing Marilyn,

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I was not jumping up and down
and cheering.

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He couldn't see her at the office.
She was too goddamn famous.

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He was seeing her at home.
I thought, "What a bunch of bullshit."

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[woman] I mean,
here's the sex symbol of the world.

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Here is, you know,
what womanhood should be in a nutshell.

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[Joan] I mean,
there was something about Marilyn

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that put her apart from everybody else.

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But there were times, you know, that
I would pick her up in my Hillman Minx.

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- You know, and...
- [Anthony] Yeah.

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Marilyn without makeup and a scarf
over her hair and just sitting there,

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you know, you wouldn't think
would attract any kind of attention,

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and yet, you know, I would suddenly
have five people washing my windows.

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- But there was just something.
- [Anthony] Yeah.

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It happened to me too.

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[Anthony] Because they knew
she was Marilyn...

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No! No!

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[Joan] There was an at-homeness
with her body

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that very...
I have never seen anybody else have.

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To be sort of almost animal-like

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in their feel and their movement and...

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You know, beautiful
and very, in a sense, poetic.

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Hildi allowed me access to many
of Dr. Greenson's papers, his letters,

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which were gold dust.

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He thought that Marilyn had a tendency
to paranoid reactions.

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However, she wasn't schizophrenic,

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and her paranoid-like reactions
are more masochistic.

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Greenson thought that the tendency towards

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acting out of the orphan girl rejections

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seemed to him central.

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She was a waif.

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Marilyn's troubled childhood

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was a time that the grown woman
was never going to forget.

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She spent time in ten foster homes,

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two years in an orphanage,

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another foster home,

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four years with a guardian,

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when her mother
was packed off to a mental asylum.

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[Marilyn]
<i>And I'm not calling myself an orphan.</i>

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<i>I was brought up a waif.</i>

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<i>Yeah, I was never used to being happy.</i>

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<i>So that wasn't something
I was sort of counting on.</i>

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[Anthony] In Marilyn,

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Greenson saw a woman
who was deprived of childhood,

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and he thought that
what she needed was a family.

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[Danny] In all the years
he'd been doing that,

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my father had never had
a patient commit suicide.

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He never treated anybody
as unorthodoxly as he was treating her.

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His feeling was that because of who
she was, she could never be hospitalized.

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So given that he couldn't do that,

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his feeling was the best shot he had

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was to try to treat her
in this highly unusual,

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unorthodox kind of way that he did.

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She starts hanging out with the family.

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That's how a sort of more
of a friendliness then came about.

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Before dinner, they would have cocktails.

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And that would be where the sort of
pre-dinner conversation would go on.

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She had a... a mind that searched

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and an honest mind that tried
to find whatever her truths were.

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[Danny] It must have been
somewhere along the line

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that I began to talk to her.

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00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,520
And it was in that particular setting
that I slowly but surely got to know her,

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because I certainly know
that my opinion changes.

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00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,960
Within that family,
I was the new arrived left-winger.

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So, but we'd get into these conversations,

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and lo and behold, you know,
Marilyn would end up on my side.

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- [Anthony] Right.
- [Danny] So a friendship developed.

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I began to like her and to recognize
that there was more to this person

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than, uh... than met the eye.

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[Joan] Well, Marilyn told me that
there was a new man in her life.

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[Anthony] And what did she have to say?

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00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,640
No, that he was just, you know...
you know, really terrific.

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00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,960
- Neat. [laughs]
- And he was really neat.

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And, you know, cute and...

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00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960
I mean, it was that kind of...
I mean, I remember...

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- It was girly talk.
- [Joan] It was girly talk.

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I mean, the...

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She said that this person was so important
that she wouldn't tell me who it was.

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Calling him "the general."

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[tape clicks, rewinds]

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[Joan] She was calling him "the general."

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[tape rewinding]

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- The general.
- [tape clicks]

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"The general."

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The general was the way insiders
at the Justice Department

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00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,800
referred to
Attorney General Robert Kennedy.

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[Joan] And I remember feeling
that it was real...

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00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,880
You know, it was real peculiar that
here I'm sitting with Marilyn Monroe.

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We're talking about boyfriends, and
I'm meeting some schlub at art school.

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I know that she's talking about somebody
that's very big in the government.

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And... and it sort of struck me as...

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- [laughs] Somehow this is bizarre.
- [Anthony] You mean, you knew already...

466
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,520
[Joan] So I didn't know whether
it was Bobby or the president.

467
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,720
- [Anthony] Yeah.
- [Hildi] It was simply titillating.

468
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,920
[Joan] I mean, I don't even remember
the guy I had a crush on back then,

469
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,440
but it was certainly somebody
that wasn't gonna hold a candle to that.

470
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,600
[Anthony]
'61, in her last year and months.

471
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,680
Yeah.

472
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,080
[Anthony] The rumors about John F. Kennedy
and Marilyn Monroe are, of course, legion.

473
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Robert Kennedy was another matter.

474
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,600
That was beginning to interest me more.

475
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,960
[Danny] There was more
to this person than met the eye.

476
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,120
[whirring]

477
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,640
[Hildi] Family.

478
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:12,040
[Anthony] "Orphan girl rejections."

479
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,120
[Joan] The general.

480
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,600
This person was so important.

481
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,600
[Anthony] Question marks.

482
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,920
Mysteries.

483
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,440
Robert F. Kennedy maybe would fit into
the pattern of the end of Marilyn's life.

484
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,400
After all,

485
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,520
from her mid-twenties,
her romantic involvements

486
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,960
were with famous men.

487
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,160
[pulsating music builds]

488
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,640
[crowd cheers]

489
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,560
[commentator] <i>Joe DiMaggio!
Smacked one out of the park!</i>

490
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,000
<i>What a hit!
Into the upper deck in left center field!</i>

491
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,520
[Marilyn] <i>He was a wonderful athlete.</i>

492
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,800
[commentator]<i> DiMaggio connects.</i>

493
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,240
[crowd cheering]

494
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,320
[Marilyn] <i>I met him...
he had already retired.</i>

495
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,440
[music continues]

496
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,640
[Marilyn]<i> I had very few friends.</i>

497
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,840
<i>It's just that</i>

498
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,920
<i>I like people,</i>

499
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,800
<i>but for friends, I like few people.</i>

500
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,120
[chuckling]

501
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,560
But I think she was
quite taken with DiMaggio.

502
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,040
[Marilyn] <i>I saw him for around a year
and a half, two years, and we married.</i>

503
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,360
[announcer]
<i>Romance that thrills the world!</i>

504
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,360
<i>The marriage of Marilyn Monroe
and Joe DiMaggio.</i>

505
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,840
<i>The girl who starred in</i>
How to Marry a Millionaire,

506
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,520
<i>giving another starring performance
in</i> How to Marry a Baseball Hero,

507
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,600
<i>and now the pair are off
for their happy honeymoon.</i>

508
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,040
[indistinct shouts, cheers]

509
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,840
[Marilyn] <i>He understood
some things about me, and...</i>

510
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,520
<i>I understood some things about him.</i>

511
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,640
[indistinct shouts]

512
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,520
[Marilyn] <i>We based our marriage on it.</i>

513
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,360
<i>And I say some things.</i>

514
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,880
[reporter] How have you and Mrs. DiMaggio
enjoyed your trip to Japan?

515
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,800
Everything has been fine.
We've enjoyed our trip.

516
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:34,000
The only thing that I have to complain
about is I haven't seen much of Marilyn.

517
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,520
She is making a trip to Korea,

518
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,720
touring through the camps and so,

519
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,680
maybe after that we'll be able
to spend a little time together.

520
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,000
<i>- ♪ With my baby by and by, and by ♪</i>
- [soldiers cheering]

521
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,440
[Gloria] I mean, I really don't think
they had a lot in common.

522
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,200
I think she was very touched
by his genuine concern for her.

523
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,440
But then quite soon bored...

524
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,080
with his over-possessiveness.

525
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,560
[Marilyn] Well, we're here to make
<i>The Seven Year Itch.</i>

526
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,416
- [reporter] That's your latest picture?
- Yes.

527
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,600
I'm looking forward
to working in it very much.

528
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,120
I hear that you're getting
to be quite a cook too.

529
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,400
Joe says you can
really broil a mean steak.

530
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,320
Well, I'm learning.

531
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,960
A little slow, but... [chuckles]

532
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Okay.

533
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,640
[quiet jazz music playing]

534
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,440
[Anthony] Joe DiMaggio couldn't deal with
being married to the nation's pin-up.

535
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,560
[Billy Wilder] We were shooting
<i>Seven Year Itch</i> with Marilyn Monroe.

536
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,760
And do you remember that famous shot?

537
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,960
Do you remember the wind
that is lifting her skirt?

538
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,520
Do you feel the breeze from the subway?

539
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,880
Isn't it delicious?

540
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,040
[train rumbling]

541
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,360
[Marilyn] Oh! Here comes another one!

542
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,200
[Wilder] Well, we were all set up
to shoot that scene, you know.

543
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,760
There were five
and ultimately 10,000 people.

544
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,680
They were like, uh...
and look up Marilyn's skirt.

545
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,880
And...

546
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,280
people were heckling from the sidelines,

547
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,560
and people were running up for autographs.

548
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,480
[Anthony] You did Marilyn's hair
on several of her films.

549
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,480
[woman] I did <i>Seven Year Itch.</i>

550
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,960
[Anthony] So you were around
during that business

551
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,280
that caused the fuss
with the skirt blowing up...

552
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,320
[Gladys] Yeah.
Joe got very upset about it.

553
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,720
- [Anthony] Did he really or was that...
- [Gladys] Really!

554
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,840
[Wilder] Joe DiMaggio, you know,
he was watching it,

555
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,440
and he didn't like it very much,

556
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,480
his wife making a spectacle of herself.

557
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,440
[Gladys] They had a suite
in a real old, beautiful hotel.

558
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,600
- And he... beat her up a little bit.
- [Anthony] Huh.

559
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,440
[Gladys] Marilyn said
that she screamed and yelled for us.

560
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,200
But we couldn't hear her
through those thick walls, you know.

561
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,616
[Anthony] She emerged a bit bruised
and black eyes and things?

562
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,960
- [Gladys] It was more on her shoulders.
- [Anthony] Yeah.

563
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,440
But with a little makeup and everything,
she went ahead and worked.

564
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,040
[Marilyn] <i>Our marriage wasn't a happy one.
It ended in,</i>

565
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,040
<i>uh, nine months,</i>

566
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,480
<i>unfortunately.</i>

567
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,400
<i>I don't know what else to say.</i>

568
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,240
[indistinct shouts]

569
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640
All I can say as her attorney is that

570
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,720
this is what we would say
was a conflict of careers.

571
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,880
Has Joe moved out finally?

572
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,400
[indistinct clamor]

573
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,480
- [reporter] Okay, Jerry!
- I'm sorry. I have to go.

574
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,120
[poignant music playing]

575
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,360
[Danny] My dad had told me...

576
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,240
that she got depressed at times.

577
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,920
About how terrible she felt about herself.

578
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,640
[Anthony] Right.

579
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,680
"Nothing would ever turn out right."

580
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,160
"Nothing would go my way."

581
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,400
[Anthony] Right.

582
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,360
[reporter 1] How do you feel about
coming back to Hollywood?

583
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,120
A happy time for you...

584
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,000
Yes, it is. It's a very happy time.
I'm happy to be back.

585
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,000
- In my hometown.
- [reporter 1] Yes.

586
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,840
[reporter 2] Well,
you're a happy girl now?

587
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,080
[hesitates] Uh...

588
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,160
And she talked about this
whole litany of depressive thought.

589
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,080
"Nobody likes me."

590
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,200
"Everything I do turns to shit."

591
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,280
"I don't have anybody."

592
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,000
"I'm a waif."

593
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,480
[reporter 2] Marilyn,
all we know in New York

594
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,520
is that you and Joe DiMaggio
are friends at a distance.

595
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,960
How great a distance?

596
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,320
Well, we haven't seen each other.

597
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,400
[reporter 2] Do you hear from each other?
Do you write or talk?

598
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,800
- Um, I'd rather not answer.
- [reporter 2] All right, fine.

599
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
[emotive music playing]

600
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,680
[Marilyn] <i>Well, when I was put
in the orphans' home,</i>

601
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,480
<i>they pulled me, and I kept crying
and screaming, "I'm not an orphan."</i>

602
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,040
<i>I called every woman I would see,
I'd say, "There's a mama."</i>

603
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,880
<i>If I would see a man,
I'd say, "There's a daddy."</i>

604
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,800
[woman] I don't think I have
really too much to say about it except

605
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,000
I... I liked her, and...

606
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,360
and we'd talk a lot.

607
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,440
[Anthony] Right.

608
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,080
[Feury] I was at the Strasbergs' parties
with her a lot.

609
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,840
[Anthony] Did you see her in the time
of her deterioration,

610
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,760
which was the last year or so. Did you...

611
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,920
[Feury] She... she seemed a little bit, um...

612
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,240
She seemed concerned about, uh,

613
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,120
you know, like childhood memories of...

614
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,880
of being molested as a child,
things like that.

615
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,720
[Anthony] Talked about it as late as that?

616
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,800
[Feury] She talked about that, I remember.

617
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,800
She felt that she had avoided...

618
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,280
That she knew people
who were psychotic from such episodes,

619
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,360
and she felt that at least
she'd survived that.

620
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,400
[Anthony] Hmm.

621
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,440
Marilyn said, "It did happen."

622
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,680
"I knew it was wrong."

623
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,120
"But to tell you the truth, I think
I was more curious than anything else."

624
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,120
"Nobody ever told me about sex."

625
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,880
"And frankly, I never did think
it was all that important."

626
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,600
- [tape clicks]
- [man] I was a very, very close friend.

627
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,360
And was friends to the end.

628
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000
[soft haunting music playing]

629
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,840
[Henry] She wanted to know her father
so badly.

630
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,080
I remember a party
and this game we'd play.

631
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,000
Everybody said what
they'd want most in the world.

632
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,080
[Anthony] Yes.

633
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,480
[Henry] And she said she'd want
to put on a black wig,

634
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,480
pick up her father at a bar,

635
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,400
have him make love to her,

636
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,240
and then she'd say, "Well, how does
it feel now to have a daughter

637
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,600
that you've made love to?"

638
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,680
[Anthony] Yes.

639
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,200
[Danny] We all need to get out
of childhood in one piece,

640
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,000
but if nowhere along the line
do you get that sort of reinforcement

641
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,480
that you are worth love, you're lovable,
that there's something in you,

642
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,080
that we're a good person,

643
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,720
what you end up with
is a sort of emptiness.

644
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,160
[Anthony] Men, eminent men,

645
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,520
again,

646
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,760
powerful and important,

647
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,640
again and again,

648
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,600
if there's any mystery
about Monroe's death,

649
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,720
seemed to me to be central.

650
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,960
[tape clicks]

651
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,120
[Anthony] Before jumping in
at the deep end, I wanted to know,

652
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,600
did you see her
just after the DiMaggio marriage?

653
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,880
We were friends prior to the marriage.

654
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,840
[Anthony] Yes.

655
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,160
Many years before that.

656
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,040
[Arthur] See, my father owned half
of Republic Studios at one time.

657
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,360
- So I grew up with these people.
- [Anthony] Uh-huh.

658
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,280
But, uh, I think the greatest effect
of all was Arthur Miller.

659
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,840
[Anthony] Yes.

660
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,080
[Arthur] The Arthur Miller situation.

661
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,880
[Anthony] Arthur Miller was
the nation's most famous playwright.

662
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,000
He was distinguished for his plays,
like <i>All My Sons </i>and <i>Death of a Salesman.</i>

663
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,800
[reporter 1] How long have you known
Miss Monroe, Mr. Miller?

664
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,000
I met her a long time ago,
but I hadn't seen her in years.

665
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,440
But I think I've got the woman
who is going to be my wife.

666
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,680
- [reporter 1] You mean Marilyn Monroe?
- That's correct.

667
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,840
[reporter 2] When are you planning
to have children?

668
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,920
Well, I'm not married yet, dear.

669
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,200
[all laugh]

670
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,960
[reporter 3] This is a personal question.

671
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,080
Is there anything in particular
about Mr. Miller that attracted you?

672
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,720
- Have you seen him?
- [reporter 3] Yes.

673
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,160
- Yes!
- [all laugh]

674
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,080
[Anthony] In 1955, Marilyn was 29,

675
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,920
and he was 40.

676
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,760
Their romance really took off.

677
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,880
[pulsating music playing]

678
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,400
I think she was quite intrigued
by people she thought to be bright.

679
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,520
[Anthony] She was bright
and trying to further herself

680
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,440
in that sense all the time. Is that right?

681
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,360
[Feury]
That would have been my impression.

682
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,280
[Anthony] Marilyn had come to crave
artistic credibility and independence.

683
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,960
[Marilyn] <i>What I'd like to accomplish,
I would like to be a good actress.</i>

684
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,000
<i>A true actress. An artist, with integrity.</i>

685
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,440
[Anthony] She'd moved to the East Coast,

686
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,720
studied at the famed Actors Studio
and started her own production company,

687
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,680
Marilyn Monroe Productions.

688
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,520
[Feury] She had very strong goals
for herself.

689
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,400
She was so bright about acting.

690
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,600
[Anthony] You saw her doing things
out in the Studio?

691
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,400
[Feury] She'd come over, sit with me
at the Studio and things like that.

692
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,880
She'd figure out what
she wanted to do with the scene.

693
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,040
[Anthony] She really seems
to have worked at things.

694
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,040
[Feury] She really... she really cared.

695
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,400
[Marilyn] <i>I think love and work are
the only things that really happen to us.</i>

696
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,840
[Arthur] Arthur Miller thought
she was intelligent

697
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,200
and had a brain that was never cultivated.

698
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,760
And that's where he courted her.

699
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,640
[Anthony hesitates] You mean that
it was a Svengali situation?

700
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,880
- [Arthur] That's correct.
- [Anthony inhales]

701
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,920
[indistinct chatter]

702
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,256
[Anthony] It was the coming
celebrity wedding of the year,

703
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,280
and it got enormous attention.

704
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,760
It all amounted to a new beginning.

705
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,120
[reporter] Ms. Monroe, could you tell us
what kind of a wedding you're gonna have?

706
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,480
Very quiet, I hope.

707
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,440
[poignant piano instrumental playing]

708
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,160
[Anthony] The couple married
in a quiet ceremony.

709
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,520
He gave her a ring inscribed,

710
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,040
"Now is forever."

711
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,240
Marilyn wrote on the back of
one of the wedding photographs...

712
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,520
"Hope, hope, hope."

713
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,720
[music continues]

714
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,240
[Anthony] The couple traveled to London
to make a film

715
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,720
for Marilyn Monroe Productions,

716
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,320
<i>The Prince and the Showgirl.</i>

717
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,240
After a party,

718
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,160
she happened upon some notes
that Arthur Miller had left lying around.

719
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,960
Marilyn told her acting coach,

720
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,960
"It was something about
how disappointed he was in me."

721
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,640
"How he thought I was some kind of angel

722
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,360
but now he guessed he was wrong."

723
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,560
"He'd married a woman as flawed
as his previous wife had been."

724
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,080
Miller also wrote in the note
that she was a whore.

725
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,480
An incident that Marilyn would refer to
time and again.

726
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,600
What does it mean?

727
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,800
She thought he wanted to love her, but...

728
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,720
how could she be protected
against love's tenderness or brutality?

729
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,400
[microphone crackles]

730
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,280
[phone line ringing]

731
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,000
[man] Studio.

732
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,520
- [Anthony] Can I speak to Milton Greene?
- [Milton] Speaking.

733
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,280
Good morning. It's Tony Summers.

734
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,480
The business with you,

735
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,040
I had gathered that you were
her close friend and associate.

736
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,000
Close friend and associate.
We loved each other, period.

737
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,880
[Anthony] Was it your impression
that when she was actually married,

738
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,960
that she was pretty much
of a good, faithful wife?

739
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,960
[Milton] She was. She really was.
She wanted a baby.

740
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,480
In fact, during <i>Prince and the Showgirl,</i>

741
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,800
she said, when it's over,
she's gonna go home and have a baby.

742
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,600
And I said, "Well, great."

743
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,400
"Get the white picket fence,
and I think it's a good idea."

744
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,480
[Anthony] Yes.

745
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,000
Did she ever talk to you
about her desire for children?

746
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,840
[Milton] If you gave her a choice
between children and stardom,

747
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,320
it would have been children...

748
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,920
without question.

749
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,360
[Danny] There were some photographs,

750
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,480
I think it was a picture of her
and Miller's father.

751
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,320
And she said to me,

752
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,400
"This is my happiest period."

753
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,000
And I asked her why.

754
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,760
She showed me the picture
and said, "I was pregnant then."

755
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:16,840
[Henry] Yes, she was pregnant by Miller
during <i>Some Like It Hot.</i>

756
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,480
<i>♪ Running wild, lost control ♪</i>

757
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,800
<i>♪ Running wild, mighty bold ♪</i>

758
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,240
<i>♪ Feeling gay, reckless too ♪</i>

759
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,280
<i>♪ Carefree mind, all the time
Never blue ♪</i>

760
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,760
<i>♪ Always goin', don't know where... ♪</i>

761
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,160
[phone line connects]

762
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:36,760
[man] If you watched her

763
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,200
in the picture that I worked
with her on called <i>Some Like It Hot...</i>

764
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,280
- [Anthony] Right. One of my favorites.
- [man] She was so wonderful.

765
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,681
[Anthony] How much of her career
did you know her through?

766
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,760
All the way through.

767
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,040
- [Anthony] From the start? Gosh.
- Yes.

768
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,880
<i>♪ And nobody else but you ♪</i>

769
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:04,160
[Sydney] She had a very naive quality
about her, very soft, gentle quality.

770
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,120
- [Anthony] Yeah.
<i>- ♪ Boop boop be doo ♪</i>

771
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,960
<i>♪ I wanna be kissed by you, just you ♪</i>

772
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,440
<i>♪ And nobody else but you... ♪</i>

773
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,800
[Sydney] That's the way she could be,
you see.

774
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,640
<i>♪ ...kissed by you alone ♪</i>

775
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,960
[Sydney] That's the way she was,
not could be. She was evanescent.

776
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,040
<i>- ♪ To anything higher... ♪</i>
- And I...

777
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,480
Well, uh, she wasn't happy many times,
Mr. Summers.

778
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,080
I... I remember...

779
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,160
<i>♪ Deedly-deedly-dum, boop-boop-a-doop ♪</i>

780
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,000
[Anthony] I wonder
if you're about to tell me

781
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,520
about her problems with childbearing,

782
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,600
and she did lose the baby.

783
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,200
Uh, it seemed to me that the crises
that are supposed to have occurred,

784
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,560
seem to have occurred
because of her miscarriages.

785
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Am I on the wrong track with that?

786
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,920
Everything connects in a person's life,
particularly hers, you know?

787
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,120
And it's sad.

788
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:04,040
[Wilder] She was slightly
discombobulated at all times.

789
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,200
But by God,
when you suffered through that scene,

790
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,760
through the 30, 40, 50 takes sometimes,

791
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,480
you had something there, you know.

792
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,640
Something absolutely unique
that cannot be duplicated.

793
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:17,920
I had no problem with Monroe.
Monroe had problems with Monroe.

794
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000
She had problems with herself.

795
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,320
[Sydney] I can give you the reason
for that one.

796
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,120
But I can't say anything.
And I knew it all.

797
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,080
I'm awfully sorry.

798
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,280
You sound very nice, but I really...
It makes me unhappy to talk about it.

799
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,480
It really does.

800
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,856
- [Anthony] You know you...
- [Sydney] She's been gone 20 years...

801
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,360
- [Anthony] Oh yes.
- ...Mr. Summers.

802
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,640
[Anthony] I know.

803
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,000
[Sydney] I can't bring myself
to talk about it.

804
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,120
[somber music playing]

805
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,480
[Marilyn]<i> Just being able to be</i>

806
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,960
<i>another human being,</i>

807
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,520
<i>to be someplace...</i>

808
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,920
<i>Having certain kinds
of secrets for yourself.</i>

809
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,960
<i>There is a need for aloneness, you know?</i>

810
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,120
[haunting music playing]

811
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,616
[Anthony] Presumably you were
very abruptly aware of the decline

812
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,000
when you started <i>The Misfits.</i>

813
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,520
I was aware from the...
Yes, I was aware from the beginning.

814
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,240
And I saw there was
something that she was...

815
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,760
She was not the fresh little girl
that I'd known originally.

816
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,760
Very soon we were aware
that she was a problem.

817
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,240
She'd be late on the set always.

818
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,680
Sometimes the whole morning would go by.

819
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,880
Sometimes she'd be all right.

820
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,480
Occasionally,
she'd be practically non compos mentis.

821
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,280
[Anthony]
Obviously the cause was the pills.

822
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,360
[Huston] The narcotics were the problem.

823
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,600
[Anthony] Many people abuse
prescription drugs in Hollywood.

824
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,040
And Marilyn was no exception.

825
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,840
She used uppers, amphetamines,
and downers, barbiturates for years.

826
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,080
And most dangerously, sleeping pills.

827
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,960
Did you account for it
because her marriage was breaking up?

828
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,920
Was this upsetting her so deeply or...

829
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,120
[Huston hesitates] I discovered this
in the course of the picture.

830
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,120
I remember saying to Miller one day...

831
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,880
I said, you know, that if she went
on at the rate that she was going,

832
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,640
why, she'd be in an institution
in two or three years, or dead!

833
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,640
And I said anyone who allows her
to take a drug ought to be shot.

834
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,960
It was almost an accusation against him.

835
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,640
An indictment against Miller.

836
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,600
[Anthony] When did you last see her alive?

837
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,600
[Huston]
At the end of the shooting of <i>Misfits.</i>

838
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,920
[Marilyn inhales]

839
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:09,880
[Marilyn] <i>Happiness...</i>

840
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,680
<i>Does one ever know that?</i>

841
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,200
[haunting music]

842
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,160
[Anthony] 1961...

843
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,640
That looks like any movie star
being mobbed by reporters.

844
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,640
In fact, Marilyn spent four days
at Payne Whitney Psychiatric Clinic

845
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:40,000
for treatment of her abuse
of sleeping pills,

846
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,160
but the press had got wind of it.

847
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,640
[reporter] Marilyn!

848
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:47,160
[Anthony] And she came out of there
through the mob of newsmen

849
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,280
and switches herself on

850
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,960
and looks fairly composed.

851
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,440
[reporter] Marilyn!

852
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,520
[Anthony] Marilyn was quoted
as saying she felt wonderful.

853
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,680
I feel wonderful. Thank you.

854
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,760
[Anthony] The truth, though,

855
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,520
this was a woman
who'd been deeply emotionally distressed.

856
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,720
Just months later, she'd be dead.

857
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:15,880
Why?

858
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,120
[crowd cheering wildly]

859
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,000
[indistinct clamor]

860
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,320
[Anthony] She got divorced
from Miller in January '61,

861
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,560
on the same day
that the president was inaugurated.

862
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:49,560
[Hildi] Here she was now,
again divorced and terribly lonely.

863
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,000
[Arthur] That's when the Kennedys
came back in there.

864
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:02,080
[Anthony] After the collapse
of her marriage to Miller?

865
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,520
- [Arthur] Right.
- [applause]

866
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,000
- [Anthony] Were you aware of that?
- [Arthur] Oh, yes.

867
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,440
But Jack,
that started in the early and mid '50s.

868
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,200
[Anthony] It started way back in the '50s?

869
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,840
- Yes!
- [Anthony] Uh-huh.

870
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,440
[Arthur] Oh, of course it did.

871
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,200
[Anthony] How early do you think
you started hearing

872
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:21,680
any information at all
about Marilyn and the Kennedys?

873
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,800
He'd been out here
on and off all through the '50s.

874
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,400
'Cause he had lots of friends here,
you know,

875
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,800
spending lots of time, you know.

876
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,296
- [Arthur] He used the Malibu Inn.
- [Anthony] Yes.

877
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,080
- [Arthur] And drank at the Malibu Cottage.
- [Anthony] Uh-huh.

878
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,480
The raunchiest looking thing
you've ever seen in your life.

879
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,080
[Anthony] They actually got away with
staying out there together

880
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,120
and walking on the pier?

881
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,080
- Oh yeah, because Jack wasn't known...
- [Anthony] Yeah.

882
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,040
...here at all.

883
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,960
He was a senator.
He was totally unknown here.

884
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,960
I, John Fitzgerald Kennedy,
do solemnly swear...

885
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,480
[Arthur] No one ever expected Jack to
become the president or the nominee.

886
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,120
...and I will faithfully execute the office
of President of the United States.

887
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,040
[judge]
And will to the best of your ability...

888
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,080
[Arthur] He's just some smart-ass
rich kid's son that became senator.

889
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,280
Preserve, protect and defend
the Constitution of the United States.

890
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,560
So help you God.

891
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:12,920
So help me God.

892
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,800
[crowd cheering]

893
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,000
[Anthony]
So, when did the Bobby thing start?

894
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,080
[Arthur] After Jack.

895
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,520
[Anthony] But you did have
the impression there had been,

896
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,080
in phase,
relationships with both of them, did you?

897
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,400
Ah, yes.

898
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,320
[Anthony] Right.

899
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,240
[Arthur] Yes.

900
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,080
<i>♪ Whose broad stripes
And bright stars... ♪</i>

901
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,600
[Arthur] But, in '61,

902
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:41,640
the meeting headquarters
was at Pete Lawford's house.

903
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,520
In Malibu.

904
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,800
[Anthony] The palatial home
of Peter Lawford and his wife Pat,

905
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,560
one of JFK's many sisters.

906
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,240
Peter Lawford was
a member of Frank Sinatra's Rat Pack.

907
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,000
In 1961, Marilyn stayed the night here,

908
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,520
on occasion,
with the Lawfords as their friend,

909
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,320
but also they threw famous parties here.

910
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,160
["The Last Letter"
by The Blossoms playing]

911
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,200
[Anthony] And at various points,
the Kennedy brothers both came here.

912
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,320
<i>♪ Open your mailbox, baby... ♪</i>

913
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,320
[woman] Just the things
that were going on in that beach house.

914
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,280
Not discreet at all.

915
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,480
Of course, there was nothing discreet
about any of the Kennedys either.

916
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,096
[Anthony] Was Marilyn there
when you were there with either of them?

917
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,360
[Jeanne Martin] Mm-hmm.
I mean, it was just mind-boggling.

918
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:56,840
Peter would obviously be, you know,
sort of pimping for both Kennedys.

919
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,440
They would do it
just as soon in front of anybody.

920
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,920
Yeah, their wives
could be in the other room,

921
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,680
and many times were, you know.

922
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,016
[Anthony] While jumping about
with a lady in another room?

923
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,760
Yeah. I mean,
I found a hand up my breast.

924
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,920
The president owned it. [scoffs]

925
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,760
[Anthony] Was Bobby a grabber?

926
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,480
Yeah.

927
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,040
Not in the terms that Jack was.

928
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,840
They were tacky, they were corny,
they were... you know, the father was.

929
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:24,960
[Anthony] Oh yeah.

930
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,800
[Martin]
They were chips off the old block.

931
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,360
[Anthony] And live up to Dad?

932
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,760
Ol' Joe Kennedy
is well known for telling the boys,

933
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,280
"Get laid as often as you can
with as many women as you want."

934
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,120
He actually told his boys that.

935
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,160
[Al] You know, his father
was a bigger wolf than he was!

936
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:44,640
[Anthony] Oh, Joe. Yes.

937
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,280
He came out here,
and he had an office here,

938
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,000
which later became RKO.

939
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,600
See, before, any con artist could come
into the motion picture industry

940
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:58,560
and make a buck.

941
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,560
[Anthony] Right.

942
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,760
And he used to fuck up in his office.

943
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,520
I used to have to wait outside the door,
for chrissakes,

944
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,040
while he was getting laid.

945
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,120
I mean, I'm talking about Joe.

946
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,320
[Anthony laughs] Right.

947
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,200
So he still had power
in Hollywood for years afterwards, did he?

948
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,440
[Al] Yeah.

949
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:15,800
Remember that.

950
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,880
[Anthony] But was it your impression
there was a Bobby thing then

951
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,960
or that there was a Jack thing then?

952
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:22,920
Both.

953
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,800
[Anthony] I mean, you would think
the brothers sharing a lady...

954
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,040
I do.

955
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,920
[Danny] It was in the dining room one day,

956
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,280
and she was talking about
going over to Lawford's house.

957
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,240
"I want something to talk to him about."

958
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:35,760
- [Anthony] Robert Kennedy?
- Right.

959
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,360
We talked about some political questions.
She actually ended up writing them down

960
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,560
and putting them in her purse,
and then she went there.

961
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,840
[Gloria] She was seated with Bobby

962
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,600
and had made some little notes,

963
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,160
feeling that she really wasn't
quite bright enough for the crowd.

964
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:53,320
And, um, at one point,

965
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,760
he got up and called
his father long-distance

966
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,120
to say that he was seated
with Marilyn Monroe,

967
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,680
and would his father
like to say hello to Marilyn.

968
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,320
- [Anthony] Who?
- This is Bobby.

969
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,920
And I think he asked her to dance.

970
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,160
They did that.

971
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,520
[Anthony] And Bobby lasts
well into the presidency, right?

972
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,880
[Arthur] Yes, that's what she said
on numerous occasions.

973
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,280
Again, she just didn't lie.
She just spoke quite openly.

974
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,000
[Anthony] What picture did she paint

975
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,040
of the state of the Kennedy thing
at that point?

976
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,400
[Arthur] Oh, nothing but love.

977
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,040
Nothing but admiration.

978
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,120
[Anthony] Yeah.

979
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,880
Whatever the exact nature of the Kennedy
brothers' relationship with Marilyn,

980
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,560
they were playing with fire.

981
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,360
There were bitter enemies.

982
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,440
Those who wanted to get the dirt
on Jack and Bobby Kennedy.

983
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,776
[interviewer] Tonight, we go after
the story of a private detective,

984
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,840
who helps <i>Confidential </i>magazine
pry into the lives of Hollywood stars.

985
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,440
An ex-cop, now one of the highest-paid
private detectives in the United States.

986
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:01,920
He's Fred Otash.

987
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,560
Now then, Fred Otash, you take any case
that pays you money, is that not so?

988
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,360
- Correct?
- That's correct.

989
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,480
Any case at all?

990
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:16,520
I won't take a case for a member
of the Communist Party or a communist.

991
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,560
I sort of draw the line there.

992
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:24,120
[interviewer] How do you justify
invading people's privacy like that?

993
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,400
Well, I feel this way,
if you can see it or hear it,

994
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,560
you're not invading any privacy.

995
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,400
Being a private detective is a dirty job.
There's no two ways about it.

996
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,840
But I do a certain job,

997
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,240
and I try to determine
if the facts and the items are true.

998
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,600
- [interviewer] You just want the facts?
- That's right. The true facts.

999
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,440
[phone line beeping]

1000
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,696
- [Anthony] Fred Otash?
- [Fred] Yeah.

1001
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:57,920
It's Tony Summers here.

1002
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,280
[Fred] I worked for and against the Mafia.
I worked for and against law enforcement.

1003
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,760
I worked for and against the White House.

1004
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,600
And I worked for Hoffa.

1005
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,400
[Anthony] Jimmy Hoffa.

1006
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,120
Jimmy Hoffa was the leader
of the Teamsters Union.

1007
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,960
It's a truckers' union
of the United States.

1008
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,800
Famously corrupt, enormously powerful.

1009
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,200
Very much connected with the Mafia.

1010
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,760
[Fred] You can't be head of the Teamsters
unless you're approved by the Mob.

1011
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,360
Hoffa was the Mob.

1012
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,600
[Anthony] Hoffa had been targeted
by Robert Kennedy.

1013
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,680
[suspenseful music playing]

1014
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,920
- [Robert] Where'd you get the money?
- [Hoffa] What'd you say?

1015
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,760
[Robert] Do you have any evidence
of the $20,000 in cash?

1016
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,120
- [Hoffa] No.
- Did you receive any of this money?

1017
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,400
I don't believe that I did.

1018
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,240
[Robert] Suggest anything to you?

1019
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,600
[lawyer] It doesn't suggest anything
except the fact that you're trying again

1020
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,080
to embarrass Hoffa. That's all.

1021
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,280
[Fred] Hoffa, he had a vendetta for Bobby.
Kennedy had a vendetta for Hoffa.

1022
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,880
Mr. Hoffa, did you say,
"That SOB. I'll break his back."

1023
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,096
Figure of speech.
I don't know who I was talking about.

1024
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,680
I don't know what you're talking about.

1025
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,360
[Fred] Hoffa wanted to neutralize Kennedy.

1026
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,680
[Anthony] They wanted to get Bobby.

1027
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,520
He was the hated target
because he was the attorney general.

1028
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:18,720
What Hoffa wanted

1029
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,480
was for me to develop a derogatory profile
on Jack and Bobby Kennedy

1030
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,520
and their relationships
with Marilyn Monroe.

1031
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,160
And the strategy that was agreed upon
was to use electronic devices,

1032
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,800
and the most logical place
to set those devices

1033
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,720
was Peter Lawford's home in Malibu.

1034
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,840
That was the Kennedy playground.

1035
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,400
And wire up Marilyn's home...

1036
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:44,800
in Brentwood.

1037
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,160
[Joan] The house on the Helenas
was the first piece of property that she

1038
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,080
ever had owned in her whole life.

1039
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,920
And my father encouraged
the whole idea that

1040
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:04,200
she alone as a person could own
and put down roots and have her own place.

1041
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,400
It was something
that hadn't occurred to her.

1042
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:12,280
And she was, you know, very excited
about establishing her own sort of family.

1043
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,640
What Pop wanted to do was
to have her stand on her own two feet.

1044
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,080
[Marilyn] <i>But there is something
in people, they want solitude for a while.</i>

1045
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,880
<i>That I'm quiet and to myself more.</i>

1046
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,840
[Danny] Somewhere in there,
my dad went away.

1047
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,400
- [Anthony] Yeah.
- [Danny] To Europe.

1048
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,080
And he left with her
in fairly decent shape.

1049
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,160
But I think she was starting that movie.

1050
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:40,320
[Anthony] That's right.

1051
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,680
[Joan] In a sense, the less important
we became in her life, the better off.

1052
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,760
That meant that she had her own life.

1053
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,200
- [man 1] All right, camera!
- [man 2] It's 11.

1054
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,920
It takes me two seconds. It's taken...

1055
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,400
You've... you've had two days.
Sorry, George, but we can do it.

1056
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,160
[George Cukor] Good, good, good.

1057
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,160
All right, cameras!

1058
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,800
- [footsteps fading]
- [Cukor indistinct]

1059
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,200
Yeah, one more.
That was good though, right?

1060
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,200
[man] He thought very highly of her,
George Cukor did.

1061
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,520
And she would become even more of a star.

1062
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,080
[Robin] I'd have to look into my journal
and see what he said.

1063
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,856
- If I wrote it down as a quote.
- [Anthony] I'd be interested in that.

1064
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,080
[Robin] This is a quote.
"Marilyn will turn out to be

1065
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,400
the most popular actress of
her generation, probably of this century."

1066
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,200
[man 1] 502. Speed.

1067
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,040
[Marilyn] <i>Mr. Cukor,
on this film, has been</i>

1068
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,160
<i>very wonderful to me.</i>

1069
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:51,880
<i>Trying to be happy is almost as difficult
as trying to be a good actress.</i>

1070
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,240
<i>You have to work at both of them.</i> [laughs]

1071
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,880
[Robin] "Her best films
would have come late in her career."

1072
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,280
"She had a great untapped
dramatic talent."

1073
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,720
But anyway, she was making that movie,
and... my dad, when he left said,

1074
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,840
"You guys should try to pitch in."

1075
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,200
He wanted to make sure that
she wasn't running into some trouble.

1076
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,600
There was always
great danger that she might...

1077
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,760
get involved with somebody or something.

1078
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:24,840
[Anthony] Yes.

1079
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,320
[Fred] The bugs were installed
in the bedrooms and on the phones.

1080
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,400
And there were four bugs
altogether installed out there.

1081
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,800
They were placed under carpets,

1082
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,360
in the chandeliers,
and in ceiling fixtures.

1083
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,880
You could wire a telephone
five miles from the location.

1084
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,200
I had sent Danoff out there.

1085
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:58,280
John Danoff.

1086
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,880
[Anthony] 1961 being the year

1087
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,040
John Danoff was listening
to Marilyn Monroe with JFK.

1088
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:06,120
[Fred] Yes.

1089
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,720
[Anthony] Testing, testing.
Danoff, Danoff, Danoff.

1090
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,640
[John Danoff] The conversation
that came across the receiver,

1091
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,880
it would fade in and fade out.

1092
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,640
[beeping over phone line fades]

1093
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,280
[John Danoff] Music, people talking,

1094
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,960
and I'm then beginning
to recognize the voices,

1095
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,320
the Bostonian accent and Marilyn Monroe.

1096
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,440
I heard the president
call Marilyn "Marilyn,"

1097
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,560
or Marilyn calling the president "Prez."

1098
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,240
Any conversations on the phone,

1099
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,200
some with Jack Kennedy,
some with Bobby Kennedy,

1100
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,080
some with Monroe, some with other people.

1101
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,960
Arrangements for meetings,
there were gonna be rendezvous

1102
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,160
with Jack Kennedy,
Bobby Kennedy, and Monroe.

1103
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:55,200
So there were numerous tapes made
on Marilyn and Jack at the beach house

1104
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,760
in the act of lovemaking.

1105
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,960
[John Danoff] They went into the bedroom
where there was another transmitter,

1106
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,680
which picked up cuddly talk
and taking off her clothes,

1107
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,640
the sex act in the bed.

1108
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,440
[Fred]
And someone wired up Marilyn's house

1109
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:11,880
on behalf of Hoffa.

1110
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,080
Bobby Kennedy was there many times.

1111
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,040
There were more tapes
made out of Robert Kennedy and Monroe,

1112
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,800
as opposed to Jack Kennedy and Monroe.

1113
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,880
[suspenseful music playing]

1114
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,720
[Anthony] I managed
to get to Bobby Kennedy's

1115
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,600
personal secretary
at the Justice Department.

1116
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,280
[woman] This is in '62,
shortly before her death.

1117
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:39,920
It must have been that summer.

1118
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,520
Whenever she called,

1119
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,600
and I would always answer
the attorney general's personal calls,

1120
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,560
she would talk to me.

1121
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,760
It was as though she were reaching out.

1122
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:54,680
[Anthony] Right.

1123
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,760
[Angie] And Bob would call her back,
and they'd talk.

1124
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:05,680
[Anthony] Oh, yes. Here it is.

1125
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,200
An FBI file on Marilyn

1126
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,040
that dealt with security matters,

1127
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,920
national intelligence,

1128
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,800
and the subject line, Marilyn Monroe SM-C,

1129
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,560
for security matter, communist.

1130
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,480
The FBI had long watched Marilyn,

1131
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,120
especially at the time
she was married to Arthur Miller,

1132
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,520
who was supposed to be a communist
and had joined up for a little while.

1133
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,360
It was the middle of the Cold War.

1134
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,920
[newscaster] The entire globe,

1135
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,320
yesterday, the site
of a momentous conflict.

1136
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,880
The conflict which
has become known as the Cold War.

1137
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,320
The long, dangerous standoff
between the United States

1138
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,120
and the communist Soviet Union.

1139
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,640
[reporter 1] <i>The Communist Bloc
would like to see the world</i>

1140
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,160
<i>under communist domination.</i>

1141
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,200
[reporter 2] <i>Recently, we've seen it
extend into turbulent Cuba.</i>

1142
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,520
<i>Does that disturb you? It should.</i>

1143
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,800
[Anthony]
Nuclear war was a constant threat.

1144
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,400
[reporter 3] <i>You are in the crosshairs
of the bombsight.</i>

1145
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,280
[host] A massive nuclear
intercontinental capability.

1146
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,520
The communist plan for world domination.

1147
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:13,200
It is a contest unlike any we have ever
faced in our history as a nation.

1148
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,520
[Anthony] A March 1962 document,

1149
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,280
during a trip to Mexico,

1150
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,280
Marilyn spent time with friends,

1151
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,000
known American communists
and left-wingers.

1152
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,040
They'd been kicked out of America.

1153
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,160
She told one of them,
Fred Vanderbilt Field,

1154
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:32,080
of a talk she'd had
with Bobby Kennedy about politics.

1155
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,920
She'd mingled with
communist American expats.

1156
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,640
And FBI agents had been watching.

1157
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,200
To the intelligence agencies,

1158
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,640
the Kennedys' celebrity plaything,

1159
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,080
a volatile creature running
to her psychiatrist every day,

1160
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,680
chattering on the telephone
to all and sundry,

1161
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,960
was absolutely the wrong woman

1162
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:58,000
to be on intimate terms with
the president and the attorney general.

1163
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,120
[man] I remember
when she sang for the president.

1164
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,080
[Anthony] This was only a month
or two before she died, of course.

1165
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,680
[Henry] And she was so excited about it.

1166
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,920
'Cause, "Why, the president
of the United States," you know.

1167
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,200
You know, it was one of the most
exciting things of her life.

1168
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,960
President is winding up his New York day
here at Madison Square Garden

1169
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,840
in a sort of pre-birthday celebration.

1170
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,320
Mr. Kennedy has the best seat
in the house at the function,

1171
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,520
and it will be starting just about now,
the finale for this affair.

1172
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:35,840
Mr. President,

1173
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:41,600
on this occasion of your birthday,
this lovely lady, Marilyn Monroe.

1174
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,760
- [crowd cheering]
- [applause]

1175
01:08:53,480 --> 01:08:57,920
<i>♪ Happy birthday to you ♪</i>

1176
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:04,600
<i>♪ Happy birthday, Mr. President ♪</i>

1177
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:10,760
<i>♪ Happy birthday to you ♪</i>

1178
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,760
<i>♪ We thank you so much ♪</i>

1179
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,520
Everybody! Happy birthday!

1180
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,280
[orchestra plays]

1181
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,240
[Henry] Just being the one to sing.

1182
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:26,800
She was picked.

1183
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,240
[ominous music playing]

1184
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,360
- [whirs, distorted voice]
- [Henry] She was picked.

1185
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:35,800
The one.

1186
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:45,120
[Anthony] Two documents
that make extraordinary reading.

1187
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,960
On July the 13th, 1962,

1188
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:53,440
an unnamed informant quoted Marilyn
as saying she'd just days earlier

1189
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:58,160
lunched with President Kennedy
at Peter Lawford's house on the beach.

1190
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:03,160
They had, she said,
discussed the morality of atomic testing,

1191
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:08,640
and Marilyn was described as
positively and concisely leftist.

1192
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:14,680
And they especially get in a state when
Marilyn had spent time with Robert Kennedy

1193
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,120
at the home of
the Peter Lawfords in Hollywood.

1194
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,000
He had been in California,
had seen her there,

1195
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,920
and then headed to Nevada

1196
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,400
to witness a nuclear weapons test.

1197
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:30,960
Now remember,

1198
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,680
at that very time,

1199
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,280
Cuba's Fidel Castro

1200
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,800
was making urgent appeals
to the Soviet Union for military help.

1201
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,360
Khrushchev shipped
ballistic missiles to Cuba,

1202
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,240
dozens of miles from Florida.

1203
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,800
Nuclear matters were
the dominating international issue...

1204
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:01,640
and they were just loose-lipped.

1205
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,200
They were bloody idiots, weren't they?

1206
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,520
Because she was in touch with people
who were regarded as communist,

1207
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,400
all of whom were talking
to Fidel Castro's people.

1208
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,000
The political risk was extreme.

1209
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:23,400
This is very possibly the thing
to which the Kennedys said,

1210
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:24,400
"Shit."

1211
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,720
"She can make public that
we've been discussing nuclear matters

1212
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,200
at this critical time."

1213
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,160
"We've got to stop all this."

1214
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,600
"We can't deal with
Marilyn Monroe anymore."

1215
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,240
[ominous music continues]

1216
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,280
[Arthur] We met in Laguna.

1217
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:49,720
[Anthony] Uh-huh.

1218
01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:53,680
[Arthur] A month before she died.

1219
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,520
[Anthony] Was that just
for supper or something?

1220
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:58,960
She came down for the weekend.

1221
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,760
And... she told us the...

1222
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,520
What had really taken place
with the Kennedys.

1223
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:06,720
[Anthony] Huh.

1224
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,240
[Arthur] I can...
You know, I can go into the dirt,

1225
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,920
or I can go into lots of other things,

1226
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,240
but she... She was...

1227
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,480
She was, uh, hurt.

1228
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:22,960
Terribly hurt when...
[hesitates] ...she was told directly

1229
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,920
never to call or contact again.

1230
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,960
[Anthony] Not to talk to Robert anymore?

1231
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,720
- Robert or John.
- [Anthony] Right.

1232
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,520
They had both said, "That's it. No more"?

1233
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,440
[Arthur] Well, no, that was an order.

1234
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,200
[Anthony] But both of them had said
to her, "That's the end of it"?

1235
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,600
- [Arthur] No, Jack didn't contact her.
- [Anthony] Yeah.

1236
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:42,800
[Arthur] Bob did.

1237
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:43,880
[Anthony] I see.

1238
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,600
[Arthur] And that's what killed her.

1239
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:47,280
[Anthony exhales]

1240
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,920
[Arthur] I don't care
what anyone else says.

1241
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,080
It was the beginning of the last day,
if you will.

1242
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,280
[somber music playing]

1243
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:03,560
[Anthony] How did she seem?

1244
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:04,920
[Gloria] Prior to her death?

1245
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,480
- [Anthony] Yeah.
- [Gloria] Uh...

1246
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,640
She had been mixing drink
and sleeping pills.

1247
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,120
[Anthony] I find varying accounts.
She was really on the downward path.

1248
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:18,040
I thought she very definitely
was on the downward path.

1249
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:23,360
And I just never could
quite understand whether

1250
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,000
she understood there was help to be had

1251
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,200
and people did care about her.

1252
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,000
And whether she was just...

1253
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,280
letting go.

1254
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,400
[Marilyn]<i> I like to stay here and now.</i>

1255
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:42,840
<i>Fame is fickle.</i>

1256
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,920
<i>It had its compensation.</i>

1257
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,200
<i>But... it also has its drawbacks.</i>

1258
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:56,400
<i>And I know it.</i>

1259
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:00,880
<i>I've had you, fame.</i>

1260
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:04,480
<i>So long!</i>

1261
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,600
[announcer 1] <i>One of the most famous stars
in Hollywood history is dead at 36.</i>

1262
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,640
[reporter]<i> Her housekeeper, Eunice Murray,</i>

1263
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,720
<i>found the actress dead in bed,</i>

1264
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,000
<i>holding in one hand a telephone,
which was off its hook.</i>

1265
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,000
Bottle of sleeping pills near her bed.

1266
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,120
[announcer 2]<i> No notes were found.</i>

1267
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,640
[announcer 3] <i>The coroner ruled
the cause of death an overdose of drugs.</i>

1268
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:46,000
It is our opinion, probable suicide.

1269
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:50,440
Well, the official finding
will never tell the story

1270
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,200
of her life and end.

1271
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,520
[Anthony] Marilyn Monroe's death
was just a huge event,

1272
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,680
pages and pages and pages.

1273
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:05,840
Question marks.

1274
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,640
Dig, dig, dig.

1275
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,280
Over two years.

1276
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:16,400
Hollywood,

1277
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:18,520
Los Angeles,

1278
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,640
the bugging, the eavesdropping.

1279
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,680
Had she been murdered?

1280
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:27,840
John F. Kennedy,

1281
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,600
Robert Kennedy,

1282
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,040
Jimmy Hoffa.

1283
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:32,840
Rumor.

1284
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,040
White House files, FBI files.

1285
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:37,920
Honesty.

1286
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,520
Assembling the facts.

1287
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:42,720
And...

1288
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:44,880
Marilyn's death.

1289
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,680
Focus, focus, focus.

1290
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,760
The public version of the story,

1291
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,120
the accepted version in 1962,

1292
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,080
turns on the word of Mrs. Murray,

1293
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,440
Marilyn's housekeeper,
and of Dr. Greenson.

1294
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:12,600
On Saturday, August 4th,
her final day alive,

1295
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,960
at about 8:00 p.m.,
according to Mrs. Murray,

1296
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,320
Marilyn went into her bedroom
and closed the door.

1297
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,200
Then perhaps sometime after 3:00 a.m.,

1298
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,160
she woke to find the light still on.

1299
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,360
The door, Mrs. Murray said, was locked.

1300
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:33,640
Worried, she phoned psychiatrist Greenson.

1301
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,920
He got up and drove the mile
and a half to Marilyn's house.

1302
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,120
According to him, he then managed
to peer through a window

1303
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,040
to see Marilyn lying facedown on the bed.

1304
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:47,400
Having broken a window and climbed in,
Greenson said, he had told Mrs. Murray,

1305
01:16:47,480 --> 01:16:48,920
"We've lost her."

1306
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,960
They called the police,
according to police records, at 4:25 a.m.

1307
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,400
4:25.

1308
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:03,160
The original timeline has been
a fixed point of the official story,

1309
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,800
but I had significant breakthroughs
on that front.

1310
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:12,480
The biggest breakthrough I had was
when I got to the widow of Arthur Jacobs,

1311
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,640
the man who ran
Marilyn Monroe's public relations.

1312
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,840
Natalie Jacobs told me that that evening,

1313
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,000
she and her husband had
been at the Hollywood Bowl

1314
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,600
listening to a Henry Mancini concert.

1315
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:31,240
[Natalie] I will never forget that night

1316
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,720
because we were at the Hollywood Bowl,

1317
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:38,000
and someone, I don't know who it was,
that came to us,

1318
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,800
and all I remember
is that we were no longer

1319
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,000
at the Hollywood Bowl,
if you know what I mean.

1320
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,400
[Anthony] Yes. So when would you think
you heard the news

1321
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:46,520
and had to leave the Bowl?

1322
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,680
About half past ten.

1323
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,840
[Anthony] And you then left and went home,
and he went to Marilyn's place?

1324
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,320
- Exactly.
- [Anthony] Right.

1325
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,960
An attendant had come and called
her husband from the auditorium

1326
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,520
and brought him to the telephone

1327
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,000
because something was terribly wrong
at Marilyn Monroe's house.

1328
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,080
Now, how does one
account for the fact that

1329
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,800
the housekeeper is supposed
to have called Dr. Greenson,

1330
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,640
and he is supposed to have got in
at 3:30 in the morning

1331
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,600
and found Marilyn lying dead on the bed,

1332
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,680
nobody else in the house
except the housekeeper?

1333
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,960
That's not true
because my husband was there.

1334
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,560
[Anthony] Yes, and had been there
for some hours by that time.

1335
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:20,680
That's correct.

1336
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:24,840
- [Anthony] Remember, the official story...
- My husband fudged everything off.

1337
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:25,760
[Anthony] Ah.

1338
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,000
I cannot tell you why because
he's no longer with us, as you know.

1339
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,016
- [Anthony] He didn't tell you why...
- Don't forget, that was his business.

1340
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,600
To keep the press at bay.
He kept everyone in abeyance.

1341
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,280
[Anthony] Okay. [inhales]

1342
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:43,720
The important thing is that she stresses
that this was well before midnight.

1343
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,440
I found corroboration
for what Natalie Jacobs had told me.

1344
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:52,240
A member of Arthur Jacobs' staff,
Juliet Roswell.

1345
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,360
And I find my original handwritten note,

1346
01:18:56,440 --> 01:19:01,240
um, in which she says that Jacobs did say,

1347
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:05,680
"I went out to Monroe's house
at eleven o'clock at night."

1348
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,880
You couldn't have Mrs. Murray,
the housekeeper, finding Marilyn dead

1349
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,800
at three o'clock in the morning

1350
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,200
and also Arthur Jacobs being called away
from the concert

1351
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,280
as early as eleven o'clock.

1352
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,320
What was going on at the house
between 11:00 p.m. and 3:00 a.m.?

1353
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,480
Clearly a key question.
And in the end, we got answers to it.

1354
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:33,640
I found the DA had been contacted
by a former ambulance man.

1355
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,440
And he said that
he'd been aboard an ambulance

1356
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,240
that had gone to
Marilyn Monroe's house that night.

1357
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:42,736
- [DA] What happened?
- [man] What do you mean?

1358
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,280
[DA] Did you go into the house?

1359
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,120
- [Ken] Yeah.
- [DA] Did you see Monroe's body?

1360
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,360
[Ken] Yeah, she was on the bed.

1361
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:52,800
[DA] Do you recall whether she was
on her back or stomach?

1362
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:53,800
[Ken] Side.

1363
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,720
- [DA] She was on her side.
- [Ken] Yes.

1364
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,600
[Anthony]
His allegation stood all by itself.

1365
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,720
So I made my way to the offices
of Schaefer Ambulance

1366
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,240
and talked to Mr. Schaefer himself,
Walt Schaefer.

1367
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,320
- [dial tone]
- [distorted voice]

1368
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:08,800
[Anthony] Forgive me troubling you.

1369
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,000
I talked to Ken Hunter,
who used to drive for you.

1370
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:12,080
[Walt] Yeah?

1371
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,360
[Anthony] And Ken Hunter said
one of your ambulances was called,

1372
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:21,640
what, during the night?

1373
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,896
- [Walt] Yeah.
- [Anthony] Do you know where it took her?

1374
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,000
[Walt] Took her to Santa Monica emergency.

1375
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,080
[Anthony] Now the reason that puzzled me

1376
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,360
was that according
to all the public reports,

1377
01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:32,200
in the end she was dead at home.

1378
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:33,360
[Walt] No, she wasn't.

1379
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:36,840
[Anthony] Your impression is she was alive
but presumably somewhat comatose.

1380
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:37,920
[Walt] Yes, that's right.

1381
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,800
[Anthony] I mean, you're quite certain?
You'd put money on it?

1382
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:41,720
[Walt] Yeah.

1383
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,280
[Anthony] She was picked up and taken,

1384
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,360
- comatose, to the hospital...
- [Walt] Right.

1385
01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:49,080
...and that was the end
so far as Schaefer's were concerned?

1386
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:50,160
[Walt] It's the truth.

1387
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:55,560
And what's more, I found no less than
seven members of Schaefer Ambulance,

1388
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,000
who corroborated the notion
that she had been carried that night.

1389
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,360
And this is a huge development
in the story.

1390
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:06,720
But then, it would have been
between the two drivers and...

1391
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,080
- [Walt] The other people involved.
- [Anthony] Involved.

1392
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,880
[Walt] I don't know who was involved.

1393
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:14,680
[microphone crackles]

1394
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,680
[Anthony] Could you just summarize
for me what Greenson told you

1395
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,920
and when it probably was
that he told you it?

1396
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,960
Greenson and I were both at a... at a lunch.

1397
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,040
I was sitting next to him at the table.

1398
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,416
- [Anthony] Yes.
- [Sherlock] And...

1399
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:34,160
This is after she died.
'64, somewhere like that.

1400
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:35,960
Quite closely related to her death.

1401
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,400
[Anthony] The question was
whether she died in the ambulance

1402
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:40,400
or whether she got to the hospital,

1403
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:44,280
and as I remember, Greenson told you that,
yes, she'd been taken away by ambulance

1404
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,680
and that she got to a hospital.
Isn't that right?

1405
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,120
They took her to St. John's.

1406
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,600
[Anthony] St. John's Hospital.
Just recap on it for me.

1407
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,320
And that she died in the ambulance.

1408
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,280
Then they took her back to the house.
That was what he told me.

1409
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,360
[Anthony] She died on the way,
and the ambulance brought her body back.

1410
01:21:58,440 --> 01:21:59,280
[Sherlock] Right...

1411
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,856
[Anthony] Greenson didn't say
he was with the ambulance, did he?

1412
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,160
[Sherlock] Yeah, he did!
He told me that he was in the ambulance.

1413
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,280
[Anthony] But he never reflected
any of that to you?

1414
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,000
Um...

1415
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,280
Yeah, I just don't feel comfortable
telling you what he told me.

1416
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,360
[Anthony] I mean, about, for instance,
that weekend when it had happened.

1417
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:20,440
She died.

1418
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,160
This sort of thing was not talked about.

1419
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:25,920
- People of that magnitude.
- [Hildi] Yeah.

1420
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,320
Also, he wouldn't want to burden me with

1421
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,320
a knowledge
that I would then have to hide.

1422
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,000
[Anthony] Who was actually at the house?

1423
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,640
And what were they doing?
Why were they there?

1424
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,440
- [tape rewinding]
- [suspenseful music playing]

1425
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,920
[phone line ringing, connects]

1426
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:45,840
[man] Hello?

1427
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:46,960
Hello, Bill Woodfield?

1428
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:47,880
[Bill] Yes.

1429
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,360
[Anthony] Hi, evening. Um...

1430
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,640
[Bill] I don't want to go through it
with Marilyn again because, uh...

1431
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,720
[Anthony] I respect that the journalism
that you did in two or three days,

1432
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,360
and which it appears to me,
nobody else tried seriously to do

1433
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:06,600
or has done since...

1434
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:12,160
Listen, I don't know really anything
else that I feel that I ought to do.

1435
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:13,400
[Anthony] I would like you...

1436
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:14,520
- Tony!
- [Anthony] Yeah?

1437
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,280
This has not had any interest
for me in a long time.

1438
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,840
I went in, did my number, took my money
and got out of the business!

1439
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,560
[Anthony] I would frankly like you
on board in some way.

1440
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,120
Find out where
Bobby Kennedy was that weekend.

1441
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,360
[Anthony inhales] Yeah.

1442
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,280
It's January the 24th, 1984,

1443
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:39,120
in the Beverly Hilton
in Los Angeles with Harry Hall.

1444
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:41,920
[Harry] Do you wanna ask me something or...

1445
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,480
[Anthony] Yes, I thought
maybe I'd kick you off.

1446
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,840
You said yesterday that you knew
something about the events.

1447
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,400
Did you learn anything about Bobby's
movements the weekend Marilyn died?

1448
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:57,680
Yeah, I had heard,

1449
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:02,920
on good authority,
that the Saturday that this happened,

1450
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:04,400
Bobby had come into town.

1451
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,920
Bobby was in town and supposedly left.

1452
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,600
And when I say I heard it,
I heard it from a federal agent.

1453
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,640
[Anthony] Can you tell me which agency?

1454
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,880
[Harry] Yes.
It was definitely from the FBI.

1455
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:18,640
[tape rewinding]

1456
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,880
[Anthony] Were you aware
that Bobby was in town?

1457
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,280
I think he was at Peter's house
at the beach.

1458
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:26,200
[Anthony] Yes.

1459
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,440
Yeah, that's what I...

1460
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:32,040
In fact, I... [hesitates]
I must say, yes, I... I do remember that.

1461
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:33,440
- He was.
- [Anthony] Right.

1462
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,801
- He was at Peter's house at the beach.
- [Anthony] Right.

1463
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:45,440
Somebody said the guy you certainly need
to speak to is a guy called Reed Wilson.

1464
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,240
The only thing is
that he won't talk to you.

1465
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,360
Wilson was renowned
in government and business circles

1466
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:55,160
as one of the most effective,
discreet eavesdropping operatives

1467
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:56,760
in the United States.

1468
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,840
He was working directly for Fred Otash.

1469
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,000
Last week, I did go to see him,
Fred Otash.

1470
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,240
And no sooner had I sat down at his table

1471
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,920
than he said,
"Have you been talking to Reed Wilson?"

1472
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,680
[Reed] Well, I hope your phone is clean.

1473
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:14,200
[Anthony laughs] I hope so too. Yes.

1474
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,680
- [Reed] Which is a good question.
- [Anthony] Yes.

1475
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:26,680
Did Freddy, uh, cooperate?
And if you don't wanna tell me, okay.

1476
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,520
But I can call Fred. He'll tell me.

1477
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,200
[Anthony] He said that Reed,
in my experience,

1478
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,320
had never been known to be a liar.

1479
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,600
Well, you're talking to a lot of people,
and, you know,

1480
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,560
you're obviously really intent
on getting into this thing.

1481
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,800
[Anthony] It was difficult to get to him.

1482
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:47,320
I had to meet him at various locations

1483
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,520
at points when he didn't show up,
but I knew that I was being watched.

1484
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,200
And eventually came close
to getting his full confidence.

1485
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:01,320
So I'm not at all of the mind
of the loony people

1486
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,600
who write books saying she was murdered.

1487
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,080
[Reed]
That Marilyn was murdered is baloney.

1488
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:07,600
[Anthony] Straighten me out a bit.

1489
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,840
- [Reed] I'll put you straight on it.
- [Anthony] Yeah.

1490
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,000
[Reed] First of all,
what did Freddy tell you?

1491
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,400
[Anthony] He said...

1492
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:16,120
There were tapes
recorded the day of her death.

1493
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:17,080
[Anthony] Right.

1494
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,600
Bobby Kennedy called her the night
of her death from Lawford's house.

1495
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:25,120
And she said, you know, "Don't bother me.
Leave me alone. Stay out of my life."

1496
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,320
A very violent argument, that, you know,
"I feel passed around, I feel used,

1497
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,760
I feel like a piece of meat."

1498
01:26:32,440 --> 01:26:34,360
[Anthony] He said he thought shenanigans

1499
01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:37,720
got Monroe in a terrible
state of mind before she died.

1500
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,240
[Reed] Now, that's true.

1501
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,360
- What you just said is true.
- [Anthony] Right.

1502
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:44,440
She was raising a stink,

1503
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,880
calling the broth...
Calling John and the White House

1504
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,040
and complaining about the situation.

1505
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,320
- [Anthony] Because of the brother.
- [Reed] Yes. The picture that I remember

1506
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,960
is that she'd been hot and heavy
for... for Bob.

1507
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:59,600
- [Anthony] Yes.
- [Reed] At first.

1508
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:05,600
And then, she'd gotten the cold shoulder,
or somehow or other, it had turned.

1509
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,240
- Now the details of that, I don't know.
- [Anthony] Right.

1510
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,440
[Reed] But she had come
to the point where she felt like

1511
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,480
- she was just being used.
- [Anthony] Yes.

1512
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,880
[Reed] And that's where it was at
about the time the end came.

1513
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,800
- [Anthony] Right.
- [Reed] She was upset and heartbro...

1514
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,800
I don't know whether...
I don't think she was heartbroken.

1515
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,480
I don't think that it was
a thing of being heartbroken.

1516
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,760
It was a thing of feeling
taken advantage of and feeling

1517
01:27:31,480 --> 01:27:34,200
a lot of lies
and feeling that she was just being...

1518
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:38,040
Had come to where she said,
you know, "I don't even want to see you."

1519
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,840
You know, and, "Why did you come here?"

1520
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,600
You know, "If you want to see me,
you come to see me."

1521
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,680
- You know, "I'm not coming down there."
- [Anthony] Right.

1522
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,360
The call to the White House thing,

1523
01:27:48,440 --> 01:27:52,960
I understood it to mean that,
like she was calling to say, you know,

1524
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,680
"Get your brother away from me.
I hate all of you."

1525
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,320
- That type of thing.
- [Anthony] Right.

1526
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,680
[Reed] There was a turning point
in her feelings.

1527
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:00,960
[Anthony] Right.

1528
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:03,480
[somber music playing]

1529
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:10,480
Like a piece of meat, used, passed around.

1530
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,280
[Anthony] Eminent men... again.

1531
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:15,880
[Reed] I don't think she was heartbroken.

1532
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:17,480
Feeling used.

1533
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:18,600
[Anthony] Again and again.

1534
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:20,920
- [Reed] "I hate all of you."
- [tape clicks]

1535
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,400
[ominous music playing]

1536
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:35,680
[microphone crackles]

1537
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,080
[woman] I appreciate
very much your calling.

1538
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,400
I think about you once in a while.

1539
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,800
[Eunice] The Kennedys were
a very important part of Marilyn's life.

1540
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:57,120
I wasn't included in this information,
but I was a witness to what was happening.

1541
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,040
[Anthony] And he was here that day?

1542
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:00,976
- [Eunice] Oh, sure.
- [Anthony] That afternoon?

1543
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:01,840
[Eunice] Yes.

1544
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,440
And it became so sticky

1545
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,720
that the protectors
of Robert Kennedy, you know,

1546
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,600
had to step in there and protect him.

1547
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,600
[indistinct voices]

1548
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,040
[Anthony] Was it your impression
there was any kind of FBI investigation

1549
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:16,960
of her death?

1550
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:21,040
Not an investigation,
but rather a "hush-hush."

1551
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:27,280
Because the man that
really was involved was the boss.

1552
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,680
He was the attorney general,
so he could have the FBI do anything.

1553
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:31,640
People that knew,

1554
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,920
they knew that they didn't want
Bobby Kennedy's name brought into this,

1555
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,960
again, because his brother was president.

1556
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,800
They had done everything to hush this up.

1557
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:45,560
[Anthony] Billy Woodfield,

1558
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,800
one of the reporters working on the case,

1559
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,880
in the days following her death,
got lucky.

1560
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:57,560
[Bill] We sort of started
to piece together what happened.

1561
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:02,200
Press accounts were coming out,
and they didn't make a lot of sense to us.

1562
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,720
And so we started playing detective.

1563
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,880
I pieced together the notion
that a helicopter was used

1564
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,920
and went out to see a helicopter pilot.

1565
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:15,480
And I said, "Can I look at your log?
Have you got a log?"

1566
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:16,400
And he said, "Sure!"

1567
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:19,480
And he produced his log,
and I started thumbing through it.

1568
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:21,240
And I saw an entry that said

1569
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:25,800
that he took Kennedy to meet
a flight en route to San Francisco.

1570
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,480
[Anthony] And the time roughly is...

1571
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:28,960
Two or three in the morning.

1572
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,600
[Anthony] And apart from seeing the log,
you mentioned it to him,

1573
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,560
and he said, "Yes, I did that."

1574
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,080
- [Bill] Yeah.
- [Anthony] Yeah.

1575
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,800
And he confirmed
that he'd done that one that night. Yeah.

1576
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:41,680
You called in to <i>The Herald Tribune,</i>
and they called back and said, no...

1577
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:45,520
Well, also a call was made
to Bobby Kennedy's people.

1578
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,600
[Anthony] You were trying to confirm
that he had been in town.

1579
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:53,320
That's right, and that he had been at the
beach house and that he had flown out.

1580
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,200
That that was one reason for the delay.

1581
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:00,360
The message we got back was that Kennedy

1582
01:31:00,440 --> 01:31:03,080
would appreciate it
if we didn't do the story.

1583
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,760
We decided that we would
not go with the story.

1584
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,560
[ominous music playing]

1585
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:19,960
[Reed] Uh...
What did Freddy tell you about that?

1586
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,960
[Anthony] He talked to me about
the middle of the night tale, you know?

1587
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,136
[Reed] But I mean, the only people
that would know about that

1588
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,120
would be the people at the meeting.

1589
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,200
[Anthony] That's right.

1590
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,480
In the early dawn hours
after Marilyn was found dead,

1591
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:39,480
ironically, Wilson had been hired
with Otash by Lawford

1592
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:43,200
to clear her house of information
that might compromise the Kennedys.

1593
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,920
Lawford showed up completely disorientated

1594
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,360
and in a state of shock,
saying that Marilyn Monroe was dead,

1595
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:53,440
that Bobby Kennedy was there,

1596
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,800
that they had gotten in a big fight,

1597
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,000
that he was spirited
out of town back up north,

1598
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:02,760
and that he'd like
to have me make arrangements

1599
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,160
to have someone go out to the house

1600
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,400
and pick up any and all information

1601
01:32:07,480 --> 01:32:09,840
that was possible regarding
any involvement

1602
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,200
between Marilyn Monroe and the Kennedys.

1603
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,480
He was convinced there
was diaries around and maybe a note.

1604
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,440
[Anthony] There's only
one surviving photograph

1605
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,040
of Marilyn with the Kennedy brothers.

1606
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:28,640
It was taken at a party

1607
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:34,040
following the star-studded extravaganza
for JFK at Madison Square Garden.

1608
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:39,040
Other photos would be seized
from at least one picture agency

1609
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,520
shortly after Marilyn's death

1610
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,600
by men claiming to be FBI.

1611
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:51,000
And also the covert recordings of Marilyn
and each of the Kennedy brothers

1612
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,560
may have been seized by law enforcement.

1613
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,080
Can I speak to Jim Doyle, please?

1614
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:00,240
- [woman] One moment, please.
- Doyle.

1615
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,280
[Anthony] As far as the actual records
being removed,

1616
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,320
you were aware of that
from your colleagues?

1617
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:11,080
- [Jim] Yes.
- [Anthony] This had occurred?

1618
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,840
- [Jim] Oh yeah. It did happen.
- [Anthony] Right.

1619
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,560
[Jim] I was there at the time
when she died.

1620
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,720
There were some people there that
normally wouldn't have been there.

1621
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:21,320
- [Anthony] Bureau people?
- [Jim] Yes.

1622
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,000
[Anthony] Are you aware how long
afterwards they came on the scene?

1623
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:27,480
[Jim] Immediately. Before anybody
even realized what had happened.

1624
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:33,800
It had to be instructions from
someone high up, higher than Hoover.

1625
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,040
[Anthony] Schoolboy question,
who's higher than Hoover?

1626
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,320
- [Jim] The general or the president.
- [Anthony] Yes.

1627
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:39,320
[Jim] The only two.

1628
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:40,400
[Anthony] Yes.

1629
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,720
There have been
several conspiracy stories.

1630
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,280
There are people, on very thin evidence,

1631
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:56,720
I think largely made-up evidence,
who suggest that

1632
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:01,680
people wanted to hide
the precise circumstances of her death

1633
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,360
because Marilyn was murdered.

1634
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:10,320
Although I made a lot of progress
in the work

1635
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:15,280
and indeed found out things
to do with her dying

1636
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:20,520
and the circumstances of her dying,
which had not been found out before,

1637
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,760
I did not find out anything that

1638
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:28,920
convinced me that
she had been deliberately killed.

1639
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,080
She died committing suicide

1640
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,960
or taking a huge accidental
overdose of drugs.

1641
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:42,160
But I did find evidence
the circumstances of her death

1642
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,320
had been deliberately covered up.

1643
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:50,000
If you then say to me,
why were those circumstances covered up?

1644
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:55,440
I would say that the evidence suggests
it was covered up

1645
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:59,640
because of her connection
with the Kennedy brothers.

1646
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,840
[poignant music playing]

1647
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,400
[Reed] She was raising a stink.

1648
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:11,040
She was...

1649
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:15,360
She...

1650
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,000
[poignant music continues]

1651
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:41,920
[Anthony] In 1982,

1652
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,840
following a district attorney's
review of the case,

1653
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:48,200
the original finding remained unchanged.

1654
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,680
[man] Well, as far as the Los Angeles
District Attorney is concerned,

1655
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,680
she killed herself,
either on purpose or accidentally.

1656
01:35:55,480 --> 01:35:57,800
The Marilyn Monroe case is closed.

1657
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,880
[Marilyn] <i>The true things
rarely get into circulation.</i>

1658
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,000
<i>It's usually the false things.</i>

1659
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:16,840
<i>It's hard to know where to start
if you don't start with the truth.</i>

1660
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,440
[Anthony] The Kennedys' brother-in-law,
actor Peter Lawford,

1661
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:27,440
that key character in the cover-up,

1662
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,040
he agreed to talk to me.

1663
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:34,360
Just a shadow of the man
that he had once been.

1664
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:36,240
Lost.

1665
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,160
[Lawford] I checked the operator for...

1666
01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:43,240
- Out of order.
- [Anthony] Hmm.

1667
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:47,440
[Lawford] The operator said
the phone's off the hook.

1668
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:48,640
[Anthony] Hmm.

1669
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:53,000
Hey, it's all right.
Forget it. Let's have a drink.

1670
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:55,160
[indistinct voices]

1671
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:58,560
[Lawford] She was dead...

1672
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:01,960
I've had to live with it...

1673
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:04,440
I should have got in my car
and gone up there.

1674
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,640
[voice breaks] I should have known better.

1675
01:37:17,480 --> 01:37:18,840
[Marilyn] <i>When I was a kid,</i>

1676
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,160
<i>sitting in the front row...</i>

1677
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:26,840
<i>at the movies on Saturday afternoon...</i>

1678
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,680
<i>and I'd think how wonderful
it would be to be an actress.</i>

1679
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:38,280
<i>Everything that I would see.</i>

1680
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:42,320
<i>And...</i>

1681
01:37:45,480 --> 01:37:46,480
<i>I...</i>

1682
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:50,800
<i>I wanted to know.</i>

1683
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:57,080
<i>I would like to be a good actress.</i>

1684
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,040
[somber music playing]