1 00:00:14,139 --> 00:00:15,682 -Do you know who Ruth is? -Yes. 2 00:00:16,808 --> 00:00:18,727 -Okay. You're very young. -Yes. 3 00:00:18,810 --> 00:00:22,939 So you might not know. But that's… This is who she is. 4 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:25,233 -What? What? -Yes. 5 00:00:25,316 --> 00:00:26,526 Are you kidding me? 6 00:00:27,819 --> 00:00:28,945 Whoa. 7 00:00:29,612 --> 00:00:33,450 Bette Davis. I was always a fan of her over Joan Crawford. 8 00:00:33,533 --> 00:00:36,453 I will put that on the record now. She was my favorite. 9 00:00:36,536 --> 00:00:39,330 Well, she somehow brought me to you. 10 00:00:39,414 --> 00:00:40,248 Yeah. 11 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:54,471 I worked for her for ten years, up until she passed. 12 00:00:55,221 --> 00:00:58,516 Yeah, and then when she got the cancer, everything changed. 13 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,393 She had cancer. She had a stroke. 14 00:01:00,477 --> 00:01:05,523 So yeah, but in the end, she went in great glory. 15 00:01:05,607 --> 00:01:06,900 Wow. Absolutely. 16 00:01:06,983 --> 00:01:09,778 -Wow! -She was amazing. She still is. 17 00:01:09,861 --> 00:01:12,072 -I always… -Absolutely. She still is. 18 00:01:12,155 --> 00:01:14,783 The Ruth that came through, help me understand that. 19 00:01:14,866 --> 00:01:18,912 Bette Davis's full name is Ruth Elizabeth Davis. 20 00:01:18,995 --> 00:01:21,039 -Quit it. Yes. -Now I'll show you one thing. 21 00:01:21,122 --> 00:01:23,458 I did not want to show this. He said, "No, no." 22 00:01:23,541 --> 00:01:26,753 -Yeah. Right. -Because if I showed it, you would know. 23 00:01:26,836 --> 00:01:31,841 But… This… There was, years ago, a show called This Is Your Life. 24 00:01:31,925 --> 00:01:33,927 -Wow! -And this was hers. 25 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:37,680 So this is Bette Davis with all her Oscar nominations. 26 00:01:37,764 --> 00:01:40,266 -Wow. Thank you. -Okay, you can look at it. 27 00:01:40,350 --> 00:01:42,685 Yes, this is when her birthday is. 28 00:01:42,769 --> 00:01:46,022 This is when she got married. That's when she had B.D. 29 00:01:46,106 --> 00:01:49,359 -Absolutely. -This was hers, and I thought, "Okay." 30 00:01:49,442 --> 00:01:50,568 "Come on in." 31 00:01:50,652 --> 00:01:52,654 Wow. Well, she sure did! 32 00:01:53,238 --> 00:01:57,325 The things that came through today are to validate she is still in existence. 33 00:01:57,408 --> 00:02:00,286 -Oh yes. Big… -Still around. A strong personality, 34 00:02:00,370 --> 00:02:04,624 but she just kind of brought through a lot about her legacy, being remembered. 35 00:02:04,707 --> 00:02:06,334 -Yep. -In a big way. 36 00:02:06,417 --> 00:02:09,337 How we carry the torch moving forward with honoring her. 37 00:02:09,420 --> 00:02:12,715 It's interesting. When it comes to that, it's going to be on you. 38 00:02:12,799 --> 00:02:14,425 -It is. -It's weird to say. 39 00:02:14,509 --> 00:02:16,928 -Not a group effort. It's all you. -You are right on. 40 00:02:17,011 --> 00:02:18,805 -And in doing that-- -She's blessing. 41 00:02:18,888 --> 00:02:20,765 -Yes. -She's with me which I-- 42 00:02:20,849 --> 00:02:23,268 She wouldn't trust anybody except you to do this. 43 00:02:23,351 --> 00:02:24,936 -That's true. -You need to know. 44 00:02:25,019 --> 00:02:27,522 My takeaway from the message is, you're on the right track. 45 00:02:27,605 --> 00:02:31,484 The right people are going to be involved. It's gonna happen. You needed that. 46 00:02:31,568 --> 00:02:34,112 -I cannot thank you enough. -Of course. 47 00:02:34,195 --> 00:02:35,655 Oh my goodness! Absolutely. 48 00:02:35,738 --> 00:02:37,782 I'm still in shock. That's so cool. 49 00:02:37,866 --> 00:02:40,702 -What an honor for me. -I'm very grateful to you. 50 00:02:40,785 --> 00:02:43,830 -I knew… I didn't know why, but… -You were on point. 51 00:02:43,913 --> 00:02:45,915 -That's why we were shocked. -You were so on… 52 00:02:45,999 --> 00:02:47,709 I have been very doubtful. 53 00:02:47,792 --> 00:02:49,586 -Sure. Yeah. -Totally doubtful. 54 00:02:49,669 --> 00:02:52,046 And you gave me confirmation. 55 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:53,715 -I'm so glad. -Thank you. 56 00:02:53,798 --> 00:02:57,427 That's amazing. I'm gonna carry this day with me for the rest of my life. 57 00:02:57,510 --> 00:02:59,387 I mean, that's so special. 58 00:02:59,470 --> 00:03:00,889 I'll see you all later. 59 00:03:00,972 --> 00:03:01,973 Bye, Tyler. 60 00:03:02,056 --> 00:03:03,099 -Thank you. -Bye. 61 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:05,351 Oh! 62 00:03:05,935 --> 00:03:07,187 Oh my gosh! 63 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:09,647 -So… Amazing. 64 00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:11,858 Ah! 65 00:03:14,986 --> 00:03:16,529 To our loved ones and Tyler. 66 00:03:16,613 --> 00:03:19,490 -For bringing us together today. -Absolutely. Cheers. 67 00:03:19,574 --> 00:03:23,161 Of all celebrities that have come through, Bette Davis is by far my favorite. 68 00:03:23,244 --> 00:03:27,874 I believe she wanted me here because she had something to say, 69 00:03:27,957 --> 00:03:30,043 just the way it came about. 70 00:03:31,794 --> 00:03:34,422 -Hey! Tell me. -Do you wanna see who came through today? 71 00:03:34,505 --> 00:03:37,717 -Bette Davis! We're gonna talk about it. -No way. 72 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,095 -I cannot wait. -Bette Davis came through today. 73 00:03:41,179 --> 00:03:42,513 That's crazy. 74 00:03:50,396 --> 00:03:52,023 -You know what's weird? -What? 75 00:03:52,106 --> 00:03:55,526 In the psychomanteum yesterday, I said I had a vision of a woman 76 00:03:55,610 --> 00:03:59,072 with a very distinctive birthmark spot. 77 00:03:59,155 --> 00:04:00,782 Like a… what looked like a mole. 78 00:04:00,865 --> 00:04:03,826 -But right up on her upper lip area. -You said that. My God. 79 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:07,830 -No way. She was coming to you yesterday. -Bette Davis's role in Baby Jane 80 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:11,459 was with a very unique birthmark, right directly by the lip. 81 00:04:11,542 --> 00:04:13,670 -Isn't that crazy? -Yes. 82 00:04:13,753 --> 00:04:14,671 Insane. 83 00:04:28,268 --> 00:04:32,438 -All right. -Now I just need to find out where… 84 00:04:34,565 --> 00:04:36,067 Wait. 85 00:04:36,150 --> 00:04:38,987 -Oh wait, they're buttons! -Yeah, it's all there. Isn't that… 86 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:41,030 -That's very high tech. -Wait. 87 00:04:41,114 --> 00:04:43,783 All right, I'm gonna go in reverse then. But wait. 88 00:04:44,993 --> 00:04:47,954 -Okay. All right. -There's a learning curve. 89 00:04:48,037 --> 00:04:50,707 -Every car is different. -We're getting there. 90 00:04:57,922 --> 00:05:00,842 I had a dream of burning alive, which was really pleasant. 91 00:05:00,925 --> 00:05:03,886 -That you were? -Yeah. I was like, "Well, shit." 92 00:05:03,970 --> 00:05:06,556 What does burning usually signi-- 93 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:11,644 Well, that, like, image of the phoenix rising from a fire, right? 94 00:05:11,728 --> 00:05:13,938 Like, you burn everything down and then… 95 00:05:14,022 --> 00:05:15,773 You rise from the fire. 96 00:05:15,857 --> 00:05:18,568 I'm sure that you and your mom are feeling stuff now 97 00:05:18,651 --> 00:05:22,113 that you're processing and feeling emotion. 98 00:05:22,196 --> 00:05:25,616 That might be part of your subconscious working through some of that stuff, 99 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:27,535 'cause you guys are, in a sense, 100 00:05:27,618 --> 00:05:32,874 saying goodbye to the ancestry you thought was you. 101 00:05:32,957 --> 00:05:34,792 Right. Wow, that was deep. 102 00:05:34,876 --> 00:05:37,587 That's very insightful 'cause that could be what it is. 103 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:42,884 -Are you getting any new vibes? -Nothing new-- 104 00:05:42,967 --> 00:05:45,845 Now that we are in the vicinity. 105 00:05:45,928 --> 00:05:48,181 -That's a train. -Mm-hmm. 106 00:05:48,264 --> 00:05:52,560 I was having visions of intersections. Like, roads intersect. 107 00:05:56,147 --> 00:05:58,316 -Warehouse. -I know. Where are we? 108 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:00,485 It doesn't look like you're going to a house. 109 00:06:00,568 --> 00:06:04,030 True psychic ability here is to be figuring out where I'm going. 110 00:06:04,113 --> 00:06:07,200 Well, the pin is pointing to this thing right here. 111 00:06:07,283 --> 00:06:09,911 Gotcha, gotcha Okay. Interesting. 112 00:06:10,453 --> 00:06:11,704 Huh. 113 00:06:11,788 --> 00:06:13,289 -Okay. -I don't know. 114 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:16,709 All right, we're gonna go… 115 00:06:17,502 --> 00:06:19,087 this way. All right. 116 00:06:19,796 --> 00:06:23,174 Well, I have to use my intuition to find out where I'm going. 117 00:06:23,257 --> 00:06:25,593 In that way, I guess the reading starts early. 118 00:06:30,348 --> 00:06:33,684 I appreciate you being a good sport. I mean, like, what the hell? 119 00:06:33,768 --> 00:06:35,561 I trust you a lot, obviously. 120 00:06:35,645 --> 00:06:37,021 Clearly. 121 00:06:37,105 --> 00:06:40,191 -Hi! How's it goin'? How are you? -Hi. How are you? 122 00:06:40,274 --> 00:06:42,318 -Hi. Oh my God. -How's it goin'? 123 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:44,612 -It's good to see you. -I'm about to freak out. 124 00:06:44,695 --> 00:06:46,531 How are you? Hey. What's up? 125 00:06:46,614 --> 00:06:49,742 -Well, no, like, I absolutely love you. -Aw, thank you. 126 00:06:49,826 --> 00:06:51,869 I do. Like I really do. 127 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:54,122 Is that a normal reaction? 128 00:06:54,205 --> 00:06:55,998 -Oh yeah. -I'm like, "Yo, what up?" 129 00:06:56,082 --> 00:06:57,417 And she's like… 130 00:06:57,500 --> 00:06:58,418 I love it. 131 00:06:59,210 --> 00:07:02,171 We're married, and we're all friends. 132 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:06,968 We all know each other because of being paramedic family. 133 00:07:07,051 --> 00:07:10,138 Jennifer and I are paramedics. Casey does our hair, 134 00:07:10,221 --> 00:07:13,349 as well as, more than half of the department's hair. 135 00:07:14,016 --> 00:07:17,728 So basically, before we start, the only thing I'm going to mention 136 00:07:17,812 --> 00:07:19,897 is that anybody can come through. 137 00:07:20,982 --> 00:07:22,233 Anybody have any objects? 138 00:07:22,316 --> 00:07:24,193 -I brought several things. -Cool. 139 00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:26,821 Like a badge. No pictures though? 140 00:07:26,904 --> 00:07:29,615 -Yeah, no pictures. -Let me just turn this around. 141 00:07:30,116 --> 00:07:33,035 All good. Perfect. Thank you. 142 00:07:33,119 --> 00:07:36,497 So what I'll do is I'll scribble. We'll start kinda connecting. 143 00:07:36,581 --> 00:07:38,958 Then I will hold on to the objects in a minute. 144 00:07:39,041 --> 00:07:42,753 I just got to see what comes through organically first. 145 00:07:42,837 --> 00:07:43,796 One sec. 146 00:07:45,631 --> 00:07:47,300 All right. 147 00:07:48,050 --> 00:07:49,093 Okay. 148 00:07:49,677 --> 00:07:50,511 I'm nervous. 149 00:07:51,804 --> 00:07:53,681 -I'm fascinated. -Yeah. 150 00:07:56,434 --> 00:07:57,310 All right. 151 00:07:58,603 --> 00:08:00,730 I had a lot coming through on the way here. 152 00:08:00,813 --> 00:08:03,524 That oftentimes will happen for me, which is helpful. 153 00:08:03,608 --> 00:08:06,277 It means there's a lot of information. Um… 154 00:08:06,903 --> 00:08:10,656 It's kind of interesting. I'm amused that I'm reading three people. 155 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:13,910 On the way here, this morning, I woke up, and I kept seeing, like, 156 00:08:13,993 --> 00:08:15,870 "Is it three people? Or four people?" 157 00:08:15,953 --> 00:08:19,665 But I wonder if there might be a message for someone who isn't here physically. 158 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:22,126 That they might have wished was here. 159 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:25,630 Or thought they were going to be here. Or wanted to be here and couldn't. 160 00:08:25,713 --> 00:08:28,132 That came through very strongly on the way here. 161 00:08:28,216 --> 00:08:29,050 Oh. 162 00:08:29,133 --> 00:08:30,343 -True. -I know who it should be. 163 00:08:30,426 --> 00:08:33,221 Good to keep that in mind. I'm gonna keep going here. 164 00:08:33,304 --> 00:08:37,141 I'm gonna start to connect, and I already have this coming in. 165 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:38,768 All right. 166 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,023 Um, do you know any woman who would've dealt, within your family, 167 00:08:44,106 --> 00:08:45,149 of a cancer? 168 00:08:45,233 --> 00:08:48,402 But not at an age when we would normally think of cancers. 169 00:08:48,486 --> 00:08:51,447 -Whoa. -Like, "Way too early to get cancer." 170 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:54,283 -Do you know of any situations there? -My mom. 171 00:08:54,367 --> 00:08:57,662 -She had an operation to remove cancer. -To remove. 172 00:08:57,745 --> 00:08:58,788 Wow. 173 00:08:59,288 --> 00:09:01,040 There is, uh… 174 00:09:02,625 --> 00:09:03,459 Okay. 175 00:09:04,377 --> 00:09:07,338 There's this thing that's… Let me see here. 176 00:09:08,464 --> 00:09:09,298 Hmm… 177 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:12,385 I do feel… So for you, do you know of anybody 178 00:09:12,468 --> 00:09:15,930 who dealt with any brain issues in your family that would have passed? 179 00:09:16,013 --> 00:09:18,182 Dude, get… Get out of here. 180 00:09:19,892 --> 00:09:21,561 References like neurofeedback 181 00:09:21,644 --> 00:09:25,940 always refer to, like, the brain almost dealing with damage. 182 00:09:26,023 --> 00:09:29,360 And so, it's like, if someone has literal holes in their brain, 183 00:09:29,443 --> 00:09:31,654 or had something very much brain structure. 184 00:09:31,737 --> 00:09:33,489 We're not even talking biochemical. 185 00:09:33,573 --> 00:09:37,076 That's a different kind of thing. This is something's wrong with the brain. 186 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:40,538 -They're just pretty much there. -Oh. Oh. 187 00:09:40,621 --> 00:09:42,790 And that's a lot to process. 188 00:09:44,208 --> 00:09:45,126 Mm… 189 00:09:45,209 --> 00:09:47,962 If you were to ask me how my mom would die, 190 00:09:48,045 --> 00:09:50,965 I would not have told you that she had a seizure. 191 00:09:55,303 --> 00:09:58,764 I took care of my mom. We had ups and downs with her health. 192 00:09:58,848 --> 00:10:02,059 And it got to the point that I couldn't take… 193 00:10:03,477 --> 00:10:04,604 care of her. 194 00:10:06,105 --> 00:10:07,189 In my job, 195 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:10,651 you make life-and-death decisions. 196 00:10:13,404 --> 00:10:16,073 And when it came to my mom, 197 00:10:16,574 --> 00:10:17,575 and saying… 198 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:25,082 It was the hardest decision that I've ever made. 199 00:10:25,875 --> 00:10:28,044 -Thank you for sharing that. -Yeah. 200 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:35,426 I had a number of non-tragic passings coming through. 201 00:10:35,509 --> 00:10:37,928 People who passed away at an age-appropriate age, 202 00:10:38,012 --> 00:10:39,680 nothing dramatic in that way. 203 00:10:39,764 --> 00:10:42,892 But I had this one passing coming in that did feel premature 204 00:10:42,975 --> 00:10:44,644 and did feel really tragic. 205 00:10:44,727 --> 00:10:49,023 So it definitely strikes me as more of a situation involving somebody 206 00:10:49,106 --> 00:10:51,651 who did not get to see their life through. 207 00:10:51,734 --> 00:10:54,904 But this person, it's really a tragic thing 208 00:10:54,987 --> 00:10:57,406 because of the timing of when they passed. 209 00:10:59,617 --> 00:11:01,035 When they died, 210 00:11:01,118 --> 00:11:04,789 they're bringing up the life that was to be had 211 00:11:04,872 --> 00:11:06,457 and what their future was gonna hold. 212 00:11:06,540 --> 00:11:09,335 I feel like my life's taken from me pretty suddenly. 213 00:11:09,418 --> 00:11:11,420 Now, in the way that this comes through, 214 00:11:11,504 --> 00:11:14,965 I am going to hold onto this because I feel drawn to this object. 215 00:11:16,008 --> 00:11:19,929 I'm trying to figure out what this is. Cause it feels almost idyllic. Like, um… 216 00:11:21,055 --> 00:11:21,889 Picture perfect. 217 00:11:21,972 --> 00:11:25,518 Then, I just feel like, there's this acknowledgment of this, 218 00:11:25,601 --> 00:11:26,811 but it's weird. 219 00:11:26,894 --> 00:11:28,229 Without giving anything away, 220 00:11:28,312 --> 00:11:32,149 can any of you relate to somebody who would have passed away prematurely? 221 00:11:32,233 --> 00:11:33,651 -Yes. -Okay. 222 00:11:34,151 --> 00:11:36,028 -Give me one sec. 223 00:11:38,322 --> 00:11:39,448 There's this hat. 224 00:11:40,783 --> 00:11:43,536 This is definitely not a hat when I'm holding onto this. 225 00:11:43,619 --> 00:11:46,288 -But I'm seeing a hat. It's kind of weird. 226 00:11:46,372 --> 00:11:47,581 I almost brought a hat. 227 00:11:47,665 --> 00:11:49,834 Did you? Whose hat did you almost bring? 228 00:11:49,917 --> 00:11:51,377 -His. -Okay. 229 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:52,920 So let me bring up this hat, 230 00:11:53,003 --> 00:11:56,215 and I'm like, "I'm holding this." I'm like, "That's not a hat." 231 00:11:57,383 --> 00:12:00,886 I'm gonna keep going. 'Cause I've got that, that, that, that… 232 00:12:06,142 --> 00:12:09,145 I'm trying to figure out how this applies. Give me one sec. 233 00:12:11,439 --> 00:12:12,982 Anybody know of a Wayne? 234 00:12:13,065 --> 00:12:14,525 -Anybody? Wayne? -Yes. Uh-huh. 235 00:12:14,608 --> 00:12:17,653 Yeah? How does Wayne relate to the younger man who passed away? 236 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:19,572 -That's his uncle. -Was his uncle. Okay. 237 00:12:19,655 --> 00:12:23,951 -His uncle like to fish at all? -Uh-huh. He is a fisherman. 238 00:12:24,034 --> 00:12:26,162 -Okay. -It's crazy. 239 00:12:27,621 --> 00:12:28,539 Hmm. 240 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,000 Feels like… 241 00:12:33,544 --> 00:12:34,503 Weird. 242 00:12:35,087 --> 00:12:38,340 He showed me all these lines of vehicles, for some reason. 243 00:12:38,424 --> 00:12:39,467 I don't know why. 244 00:12:39,550 --> 00:12:42,970 You know when a president dies, and they have the procession of cars? 245 00:12:43,053 --> 00:12:44,805 There's this feeling of, 246 00:12:44,889 --> 00:12:48,684 "I realize I was loved when I saw this in such a big way." 247 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:50,227 It seemed meaningful for him. 248 00:12:50,311 --> 00:12:54,857 And then I'm just kinda curious to know who this was for you. What was his name? 249 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:58,861 His name was Trey. He was, uh… Sorry. 250 00:12:59,403 --> 00:13:01,155 -It's okay. -Let it out. 251 00:13:01,238 --> 00:13:04,825 Um, he was my husband, and, um… 252 00:13:08,996 --> 00:13:10,790 We had a little girl. 253 00:13:10,873 --> 00:13:13,125 And four weeks after she was born, 254 00:13:13,709 --> 00:13:16,587 he came home from work, and everything was totally normal. 255 00:13:16,670 --> 00:13:18,380 We went to sleep, and… 256 00:13:18,881 --> 00:13:21,759 he had a seizure in the middle of the night. 257 00:13:22,259 --> 00:13:25,262 Then long story short, we went to the hospital, 258 00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:28,098 and they found a lesion on his brain. 259 00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:33,521 And that started our three years of brain tumor radiation and chemo. 260 00:13:34,313 --> 00:13:35,773 There was this feeling of, 261 00:13:36,816 --> 00:13:37,983 "I didn't kill myself." 262 00:13:38,067 --> 00:13:41,153 It's not that kind of thing. But, "would've done things differently." 263 00:13:41,237 --> 00:13:44,532 Men are very, very difficult to make y'all go to the doctor. 264 00:13:45,157 --> 00:13:48,744 And I said it from the very, very beginning with Trey. 265 00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:53,749 If he had gone, maybe they would have done extra tests 266 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:57,253 and seen it, and maybe we could have been on top of it. 267 00:13:57,336 --> 00:14:01,215 Maybe there would've been something different, but, um… 268 00:14:02,132 --> 00:14:05,803 -I don't know. That's just… Yeah. -Yeah. Did everything you could. 269 00:14:05,886 --> 00:14:08,681 -Wow. -My daughter told me, when after Trey died 270 00:14:08,764 --> 00:14:12,351 that she felt him rub her back to sleep. 271 00:14:14,061 --> 00:14:16,188 -Do you think you can feel his hand? -Yes. 272 00:14:16,272 --> 00:14:19,233 -Absolutely. Yeah. The warmth. Yeah. -That she can actually-- 273 00:14:19,316 --> 00:14:23,445 -She was three, but I believed her. -Yeah. Absolutely. 274 00:14:23,529 --> 00:14:27,116 I often find that they sometimes will not come through repeatedly 275 00:14:27,199 --> 00:14:30,077 because they don't want to make our grief process worse. 276 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,496 -Okay. -Sometimes they will visit once. 277 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:36,125 Just to say, "I'm all right," or to communicate, "I'm with you." 278 00:14:36,208 --> 00:14:38,794 So that does sometimes happen. It's not abnormal. 279 00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:41,547 He comes across, honestly, with a sense of humor. 280 00:14:41,630 --> 00:14:44,049 -He does. -And a dumb sense of humor. 281 00:14:44,133 --> 00:14:47,303 I mean that kindly. I mean it in the most loving way possible. 282 00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:50,806 I feel like he could be silly sometimes, just for silly's sake. 283 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:53,183 And you know what dad jokes are? 284 00:14:53,267 --> 00:14:55,311 Jokes that are like, "Really? Come on." 285 00:14:55,394 --> 00:14:56,937 -That's totally him. -Yeah. 286 00:14:58,689 --> 00:15:01,567 All right. Okay. 287 00:15:02,192 --> 00:15:04,945 Keeps showing me a clock, and any time they show me a clock, 288 00:15:05,029 --> 00:15:08,407 it always indicates their passing that they basically waited to go. 289 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:12,202 And then when he got the permission to go, I felt like he went. 290 00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:14,079 And he just can't stress enough 291 00:15:14,163 --> 00:15:18,626 how much he understands how hard that was to do and how difficult. 292 00:15:18,709 --> 00:15:22,379 There's this feeling of, in one ear, "No, hang in there, stay with us," 293 00:15:22,463 --> 00:15:24,506 and in the other, "No, it's okay. You can go." 294 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:29,053 Being given that permission allowed him to transition in such a peaceful way. 295 00:15:29,136 --> 00:15:32,389 We surrounded him at home, and, um, 296 00:15:32,473 --> 00:15:34,725 I told him it was okay. 297 00:15:34,808 --> 00:15:37,102 -And that's when he passed away. -Wow. 298 00:15:37,186 --> 00:15:40,230 Now, do you know of anybody who worked around, like, oil, 299 00:15:40,314 --> 00:15:42,066 like, oil rig or oil stuff? 300 00:15:42,149 --> 00:15:45,069 Just having me highlight that reference as far as that goes 301 00:15:45,152 --> 00:15:46,445 'cause that was weird. 302 00:15:46,528 --> 00:15:47,988 If that did come in. 303 00:15:48,072 --> 00:15:50,699 -There's a lot. -Oh, shit! Sorry. 304 00:15:50,783 --> 00:15:51,951 It's all good. 305 00:15:55,746 --> 00:15:57,831 It's all good. All good. 306 00:15:57,915 --> 00:15:59,500 Who worked in the oil stuff? 307 00:15:59,583 --> 00:16:02,920 -My current fiancé does. My dad does also. -Gotcha. 308 00:16:03,003 --> 00:16:04,797 They're putting a lot of excitement 309 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,257 around your personal life, even beyond the fiancé. 310 00:16:07,341 --> 00:16:09,635 Things are looking up. There's so much excitement. 311 00:16:09,718 --> 00:16:11,929 There's so much life to be lived. 312 00:16:12,012 --> 00:16:14,181 I feel like for you, I can't stress enough, 313 00:16:14,264 --> 00:16:18,394 how much love there is there for you, and how excited he is for your future. 314 00:16:18,477 --> 00:16:20,521 For me, that's the biggest takeaway. 315 00:16:20,604 --> 00:16:23,857 -So-- -That means the world to… to me. 316 00:16:23,941 --> 00:16:28,487 -Of course. -It does. It means the world to… to me. 317 00:16:29,029 --> 00:16:32,658 One thing I did wanna discuss was the reference to the line of vehicles. 318 00:16:32,741 --> 00:16:35,119 It seemed interesting. It seemed meaningful for him. 319 00:16:35,202 --> 00:16:37,955 That was Trey's procession to the funeral. 320 00:16:40,165 --> 00:16:41,709 Trey was also a paramedic. 321 00:16:43,293 --> 00:16:48,298 At the burial site, they had probably several hundred paramedics, 322 00:16:48,382 --> 00:16:51,260 just lined up for, like, the last call, 323 00:16:51,343 --> 00:16:55,180 which is where they, like, retire his badge number. 324 00:16:58,267 --> 00:17:00,561 This is last call for 6-1-7. 325 00:17:00,644 --> 00:17:03,981 Over the past seven years, you have shown a caring and compassionate dedication 326 00:17:04,064 --> 00:17:06,191 to family, friends, and East Baton Rouge. 327 00:17:06,275 --> 00:17:09,611 You will be dearly missed. Gone but not forgotten. 328 00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:12,156 John Dolan Thompson, III, Trey. 329 00:17:12,239 --> 00:17:14,408 End of watch, 13:24. 330 00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:22,583 It was definitely, definitely significant and, uh, amazing. 331 00:17:22,666 --> 00:17:26,003 -Wow. What a send-off. That's beautiful. -Oh yeah. 332 00:17:26,086 --> 00:17:28,672 I was a fan before, but I'm a super-fan now. 333 00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:31,091 Thank you very much. 334 00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:48,567 Now that Theresa's in New Orleans, I wanna show her places of significance 335 00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:49,651 in our family, 336 00:17:50,235 --> 00:17:53,280 because this is part of who she is too. 337 00:17:53,363 --> 00:17:56,158 -You're gonna enjoy this. -I know. What a memory. 338 00:17:56,241 --> 00:17:58,744 -I'm gonna try not to cry. -Oh my God. 339 00:17:58,827 --> 00:18:00,662 It's okay. It's all good. 340 00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:03,040 -It's a beautiful, happy day. -I know. 341 00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:07,044 From what Mary has told us, she was too young to remember anything 342 00:18:07,127 --> 00:18:09,963 about what lead to the circumstances of my mom's disappearance. 343 00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:12,800 I'm excited to be able to walk through her old neighborhood. 344 00:18:12,883 --> 00:18:14,968 What should've been my mom's old neighborhood. 345 00:18:15,052 --> 00:18:18,430 Maybe get some psychic impressions that might fill in some blanks. 346 00:18:18,514 --> 00:18:21,767 It might be a stretch, but stranger things have happened. 347 00:18:25,187 --> 00:18:26,230 Oh wow. 348 00:18:26,855 --> 00:18:28,357 What's happening here? 349 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,776 We're on a journey to find the house we lived at. 350 00:18:30,859 --> 00:18:32,027 Okay. 351 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:33,362 When Mama met your daddy. 352 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:37,533 -I see. Okay. Interesting. -We're gonna go right in here. 353 00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:39,368 -We're gonna go inside? -Yes. 354 00:18:40,077 --> 00:18:42,955 I lived here as a child, with my brother. 355 00:18:43,622 --> 00:18:45,332 Mama was married twice. 356 00:18:45,415 --> 00:18:47,918 Her first husband, she was 18. 357 00:18:48,001 --> 00:18:49,628 And he left Mama. 358 00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:53,132 Then George and I's father. 359 00:18:53,215 --> 00:18:55,968 He just basically… he left her with us. 360 00:18:57,010 --> 00:18:59,680 My mother was cooking in this house, 361 00:18:59,763 --> 00:19:03,934 and on that day, she met Theresa's father. 362 00:19:04,017 --> 00:19:05,894 His name was Joe. 363 00:19:06,812 --> 00:19:08,480 He was out painting on this road, 364 00:19:08,564 --> 00:19:11,525 and I said my mom was making biscuits. 365 00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:14,820 -And so that was the-- -Then you got more than biscuits. 366 00:19:14,903 --> 00:19:17,781 -We did. A lot of unanswered questions. 367 00:19:17,865 --> 00:19:20,993 Being at this house in Algiers Point is overwhelming for me. 368 00:19:21,076 --> 00:19:23,370 So far, I'm getting a lot of impressions, 369 00:19:23,453 --> 00:19:26,373 but I have no context to really place these impressions. 370 00:19:26,456 --> 00:19:28,792 None of my biological family lives in that house. 371 00:19:28,876 --> 00:19:32,504 And so because of that, I have no way of placing what I'm getting. 372 00:19:33,338 --> 00:19:37,926 -So what do we know about him? -Yes. So she had two bad marriages. 373 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:41,972 She thought that Joe was gonna marry her. He told her he was gonna marry her. 374 00:19:42,055 --> 00:19:44,141 Well, that didn't work out, did it? 375 00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:47,561 Well, I don't know what his intentions were, 376 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:52,900 but they weren't to support Mama after she became pregnant for Theresa. 377 00:19:52,983 --> 00:19:57,821 Can you imagine? Two children, unwed, pregnant. 378 00:19:58,322 --> 00:20:01,617 It's just, there was so much shame. 379 00:20:02,492 --> 00:20:03,493 Theresa, baby. 380 00:20:03,577 --> 00:20:05,329 -It's where you were born. -My God. 381 00:20:05,913 --> 00:20:08,832 This is where you were taken from Mama. 382 00:20:08,916 --> 00:20:12,294 -And it was a woman-and-child hospital. -Wow. 383 00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:16,131 -And, um-- Yes. -Just for women having babies. Okay. 384 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:20,928 I believe there were nuns there, way back, when it was an older hospital. 385 00:20:21,011 --> 00:20:24,556 At that time, there was a lot of placement of children. 386 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,517 Stella was always so rooted in religion too. 387 00:20:27,601 --> 00:20:30,020 Tyler told me a little bit about what he thought. 388 00:20:30,103 --> 00:20:32,147 That's how she got those vulnerable mothers. 389 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:35,067 Oh, that's exactly how because she always found a way to, 390 00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:37,736 like, weasel her way into churches 391 00:20:37,819 --> 00:20:39,863 and play on people's sympathy. 392 00:20:39,947 --> 00:20:44,034 And I mean, if you've heard Stella talk, she was a Sunday School teacher. 393 00:20:44,117 --> 00:20:48,705 How Mama met Stella, and how it led to her getting Theresa 394 00:20:49,206 --> 00:20:52,668 may be a mystery, but I do know we don't just throw our family away. 395 00:20:52,751 --> 00:20:55,379 That was a sick situation, 396 00:20:55,462 --> 00:20:58,006 and it's still sick, because it ain't finished. 397 00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:03,804 This area, this whole area was a blocked-off area 398 00:21:03,887 --> 00:21:06,181 that was the Saint Thomas housing. 399 00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:09,559 -So people actually lived there… Yes. -Like low-income housing? 400 00:21:09,643 --> 00:21:11,770 Yes, but they called it the projects. 401 00:21:11,853 --> 00:21:13,063 The projects, right. 402 00:21:14,439 --> 00:21:16,066 -Okay. -Interesting. 403 00:21:16,858 --> 00:21:19,319 So I wanted to share with you, Theresa. 404 00:21:19,403 --> 00:21:22,155 -This is 601 Saint Mary. -Okay. 405 00:21:22,239 --> 00:21:26,285 This is where you and I saw each other for the first time. 406 00:21:26,368 --> 00:21:29,371 -And I never forgot that beautiful girl. -Oh my God. 407 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:33,709 -One day, Stella came to our house. -Yes. 408 00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:37,504 It was just me and Mama at home. I was around ten years old. 409 00:21:37,587 --> 00:21:40,048 Based on what you're saying, I would've been five. 410 00:21:40,132 --> 00:21:44,386 Yes, and when she came in, there was really not a whole bunch said. 411 00:21:44,469 --> 00:21:47,472 It was a very odd visit, but I didn't know who you were. 412 00:21:47,556 --> 00:21:50,058 I didn't know who this lady was. I had no idea. 413 00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:51,893 -You knew something was wrong. -Yes. 414 00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:56,273 And Mama was not happy, and Mama took you upstairs. 415 00:21:56,773 --> 00:21:59,693 -And she freshened you up. -Right, right. 416 00:22:00,694 --> 00:22:04,406 And Mama had a, um… It was a utility closet. 417 00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:07,993 Stella, she went into that closet. She stole my baby picture. 418 00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:12,372 See now, that's another thing. She stole your baby picture. 419 00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:16,335 So she needed that to help support having me, 420 00:22:16,418 --> 00:22:18,420 and we're sisters, and we look alike. 421 00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:20,714 There had to be something in it for Stella. 422 00:22:20,797 --> 00:22:22,299 Always an ulterior motive. 423 00:22:22,382 --> 00:22:24,426 -She was so sneaky. -That's crazy. 424 00:22:25,093 --> 00:22:28,847 So Mama came downstairs, and she had your hand. 425 00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:34,603 Then the next piece I have in my mind is that when we were at that back door. 426 00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:36,772 I felt we were saying bye. 427 00:22:36,855 --> 00:22:40,484 But when we did, you and I were like this. 428 00:22:40,567 --> 00:22:44,029 So maybe Mama wanted to make sure that we got to see each other. 429 00:22:44,112 --> 00:22:48,075 Mama tells me right at the door, "That's your little sister." 430 00:22:48,158 --> 00:22:51,995 It's hard to understand why my mother, Mary Baroni, couldn't take me back. 431 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:54,706 Well, I, I, I just… I just looked at her. 432 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:57,000 I wanted to know why we weren't getting you. 433 00:22:57,084 --> 00:22:59,127 -Right. -And she said, "I can't." 434 00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:00,504 So that's when we sat down. 435 00:23:00,587 --> 00:23:02,464 -Yeah. -And that's when she cried. 436 00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:04,341 And then she was, "Stella." 437 00:23:04,424 --> 00:23:07,511 And I remember that day of you, Theresa, 438 00:23:07,594 --> 00:23:10,097 so specific, and… 439 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,933 I can't even explain it. 440 00:23:13,016 --> 00:23:14,017 It's huge. 441 00:23:14,101 --> 00:23:17,270 -Yeah. Yeah, it is. -Tyler. It's huge because… 442 00:23:20,857 --> 00:23:22,567 -It's just huge. -Yeah. 443 00:23:23,276 --> 00:23:24,361 It's okay. 444 00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:29,991 -I wanted to make him proud of me. -It's okay, baby. 445 00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:31,118 I know it's… 446 00:23:35,163 --> 00:23:38,041 I'm thankful for my Aunt Mary, taking us across New Orleans 447 00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,127 and seeing all these important sites, 448 00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:42,421 but they haven't really led to any answers. 449 00:23:42,504 --> 00:23:45,507 I've got a lot of impressions and no context of understanding 450 00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:46,758 what it all means. 451 00:23:46,842 --> 00:23:49,344 It's possible that the only way I'll get answers 452 00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,973 to how Stella took my mom will be through reading my Aunt Mary, 453 00:23:53,056 --> 00:23:54,808 and I hope I have that chance. 454 00:23:54,891 --> 00:23:58,019 -I'm glad we're able to be to do this. -It's true. Me too. 455 00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,897 -Me too. -I commend you for your strength there. 456 00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:04,651 -'Cause that's a lot to have to process. -I'm good. Thank you so much. 457 00:24:04,734 --> 00:24:06,778 It was so much intensity to the situation 458 00:24:06,862 --> 00:24:12,075 that it was simultaneously refreshing to see Mary and my mom together today, 459 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:13,618 but also bittersweet because 460 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,956 you can tell there's still a lot there on both sides that is being processed. 461 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,666 You can feel the heaviness. 462 00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:23,003 It's complicated. 463 00:24:38,435 --> 00:24:40,145 All ready for the podcast today? 464 00:24:40,228 --> 00:24:41,688 I am. I am excited for Kesha. 465 00:24:41,771 --> 00:24:44,232 -Your headphones. -Fabulous. I will put those there. 466 00:24:45,358 --> 00:24:47,277 -Should I put them on? -That should work. 467 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,779 Yeah, let me see. See if I can hear everybody. 468 00:24:50,530 --> 00:24:52,157 Kesha's on screen here. 469 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,659 -Kesha's on screen! -Hi. 470 00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:58,163 Video and audio's going. We're good. 471 00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:06,796 Welcome to Kesha and the Creepies. 472 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,674 I am so excited. I am nervous. 473 00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:14,679 I'm feeling all the feelings to have my next guest with us, Tyler Henry. 474 00:25:14,763 --> 00:25:17,265 -Thank you for coming on my podcast. -Oh, of course. 475 00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:19,935 I wouldn't miss it. I'm excited for the opportunity. 476 00:25:20,018 --> 00:25:25,065 Where to even begin with you? I just… I'm so curious about your gift. 477 00:25:25,148 --> 00:25:28,735 Basically, this started for me when I was actually only ten years old. 478 00:25:28,818 --> 00:25:31,238 At ten, it's something that happens to you. 479 00:25:31,321 --> 00:25:33,949 It's not really something you identify as an ability. 480 00:25:34,032 --> 00:25:36,785 And so it took some time to kind of step into it. 481 00:25:36,868 --> 00:25:39,621 Are you still finding yourself stepping into it? 482 00:25:39,704 --> 00:25:42,332 Totally. Even at this moment, there's little things 483 00:25:42,415 --> 00:25:43,833 that come through for you. 484 00:25:43,917 --> 00:25:46,545 But there is something to be said about balance. 485 00:25:46,628 --> 00:25:49,881 -Wait, you can tell me things? -I can tell you one thing, if you'd like. 486 00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:52,133 -I don't want to overwhelm you. -Okay, sure. 487 00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:54,135 So before I hopped on the line today, 488 00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:57,597 I was seeing my symbol for the sun and the moon. 489 00:25:57,681 --> 00:26:01,226 The sun always represents to me, like, a birthday, life, 490 00:26:01,309 --> 00:26:05,355 and then the moon represents people passing away. You know, death. 491 00:26:05,438 --> 00:26:07,190 So there's that dichotomy. 492 00:26:07,274 --> 00:26:10,318 What was so interesting is, I don't know if your mom has a sister. 493 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:12,445 -They're putting emphasis around-- -She does. 494 00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:13,905 …what'd be an aunt for you. 495 00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:17,659 There was an interesting acknowledgment with the sun and the moon thing of 496 00:26:17,742 --> 00:26:22,205 within 24 hours, there being a birth date and a death date. 497 00:26:22,289 --> 00:26:26,001 So, like, when did your grandmother pass? 498 00:26:26,084 --> 00:26:30,380 -I don't know. Do you mind… -You can totally check. Feel free. 499 00:26:30,463 --> 00:26:33,091 -My boyfriend is texting my mom. -Yeah, no worries. 500 00:26:33,174 --> 00:26:35,760 Because there's a funny reference for your aunt. 501 00:26:35,844 --> 00:26:38,138 That every time it's her birthday or something, she… 502 00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:41,182 Your grandmother wouldn't want to kind of make the date sad. 503 00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:44,728 It feels like there was a passing and a birthday right next to each other. 504 00:26:44,811 --> 00:26:50,525 Really? My boyfriend just told me that my grandmother died on December 7th, 505 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:53,069 and my aunt's birthday is December 6th. 506 00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:55,989 -I didn't even remember that. -Okay, so that is interesting. 507 00:26:56,072 --> 00:26:59,451 It would've been within a 24-hour-ish period 508 00:26:59,534 --> 00:27:01,286 of the birthday and the death day. 509 00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:04,998 That is so weird. So that would be why I was seeing the sun and the moon. 510 00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:06,625 Oh my God. 511 00:27:06,708 --> 00:27:07,959 Very strange. 512 00:27:08,043 --> 00:27:10,170 Come through, Tyler. 513 00:27:10,253 --> 00:27:11,713 Yes. I love it. 514 00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:14,090 This has been the loveliest conversation. 515 00:27:14,174 --> 00:27:15,008 Aw. 516 00:27:15,091 --> 00:27:16,676 I appreciate it. Genuinely. 517 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,889 -Love to you. Thank you. -Love to you. Bye. 518 00:27:20,972 --> 00:27:23,391 -We did it. -Woo-hoo. 519 00:27:24,351 --> 00:27:25,226 Oh. 520 00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:28,563 -Yeah. That was great. -Oh my goodness. That was fun. 521 00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:40,742 Mary, she's so sweet. She brought me gifts. 522 00:27:40,825 --> 00:27:44,913 I mean, let's just start with this. She brought me some documents to show you. 523 00:27:44,996 --> 00:27:47,165 -Wow. So these are all family stuff. -Yeah. 524 00:27:47,248 --> 00:27:50,960 This is just little sweet things. I just want to show you this. 525 00:27:51,628 --> 00:27:53,922 -This is my mother's perfume. -Oh. 526 00:27:54,005 --> 00:27:56,841 And this is a really old-fashioned perfume, 527 00:27:56,925 --> 00:27:58,677 which I know I've seen before. 528 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,389 When she brought it out, I was like, "I've seen this bottle of perfume before." 529 00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:05,684 I washed my hands a couple of times, but it still smells lovely. 530 00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:08,311 -Yeah, it does. -Isn't the smell lovely? 531 00:28:08,395 --> 00:28:11,856 And then this is just… Rosary beads are usually beads. 532 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:15,652 But this happens to be a rosary rope, which I've never seen before. 533 00:28:15,735 --> 00:28:18,488 -Fascinating. -Someone must have made it for my mom. 534 00:28:19,447 --> 00:28:21,658 Yeah. That's hard to look at. 535 00:28:21,741 --> 00:28:26,413 I mean, I know. It's nice to have those things, to have a connection. 536 00:28:27,205 --> 00:28:28,248 This has been a lot. 537 00:28:28,331 --> 00:28:32,627 I feel for you deeply in a way I can't put into words, and I know that you… 538 00:28:33,336 --> 00:28:35,672 say you're all good, but I just-- I… 539 00:28:35,755 --> 00:28:38,216 I feel for you in a way that I can't articulate. 540 00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:39,634 And it's just very… 541 00:28:40,593 --> 00:28:41,428 sad. 542 00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:44,180 I just can't focus too much on certain things. 543 00:28:44,264 --> 00:28:48,351 I know when it's time for me to stop talking to my sister Mary. 544 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:49,978 -Yeah. -I love my sister Mary. 545 00:28:50,061 --> 00:28:52,480 But right now, I feel physically drained. 546 00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:58,153 I don't want to cry. This is not going to be a crying thing. 547 00:28:58,987 --> 00:29:02,157 That ship sailed, but it's okay. I mean, you gotta let that out 548 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,367 'cause you are such a strong person. 549 00:29:04,451 --> 00:29:08,455 -I know. I know. -But you need to feel what you're feeling. 550 00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:10,874 I know, Tyler. I wanna go now, okay? 551 00:29:10,957 --> 00:29:11,791 Yeah. 552 00:29:11,875 --> 00:29:13,501 -I love you. I'm sorry. -I love you. 553 00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:15,044 This is draining for you too. 554 00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:19,048 No, I, I can only imagine what it's like for you. It's just… 555 00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:21,217 Yeah… It's… 556 00:29:23,595 --> 00:29:24,804 I need to freshen up. 557 00:29:24,888 --> 00:29:27,432 -Then I'll be ready to go. -No worries. Take your time. 558 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:33,521 My mom is great at compartmentalizing, 559 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:37,859 and there's times where she has no choice but to go with what she's feeling. 560 00:29:37,942 --> 00:29:40,945 But generally, she's pretty good at putting a box on a shelf 561 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:42,363 and not looking at it. 562 00:29:46,242 --> 00:29:47,535 You know, my mom left, 563 00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:48,828 camera crew left. 564 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,955 I had this box in front of me, and I was like, 565 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,584 "I'm gonna go through it," of course, and I did. I held onto the rosary 566 00:29:54,667 --> 00:29:58,546 and looked at the picture and all that. I tried it on, wrapped around my neck. 567 00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:00,173 And I started bawling 568 00:30:00,256 --> 00:30:02,509 because it was so emotional for me. 569 00:30:02,592 --> 00:30:05,011 I could feel my mom's pain. I had my own pain, 570 00:30:05,094 --> 00:30:08,556 with knowing this was somebody I never got the chance to meet. 571 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,018 This person was my grandmother. If it weren't for her existence, 572 00:30:12,101 --> 00:30:14,479 my existence wouldn't be possible. 573 00:30:14,562 --> 00:30:18,358 And it just feels like we were both really robbed of that relationship, 574 00:30:18,441 --> 00:30:20,109 and now everything 575 00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:24,030 that we had was just… in a box. 576 00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:26,533 And it wasn't her. It was just her stuff. 577 00:30:27,033 --> 00:30:28,993 There was something painful about that. 578 00:30:29,077 --> 00:30:31,538 That's the extent I'll ever get to know my grandmother. 579 00:30:32,121 --> 00:30:34,290 Better to have something than nothing, but… 580 00:30:35,959 --> 00:30:39,128 the things don't replace the void of the absence 581 00:30:40,046 --> 00:30:41,256 of her presence. 582 00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:42,465 Yeah. 583 00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:47,512 In the box, there is a picture of my great-grandmother. 584 00:30:47,595 --> 00:30:51,057 And my mom said that it's nice to have a picture of her, 585 00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:52,725 but looking at her also 586 00:30:53,768 --> 00:30:56,896 was painful because she just felt like, "How could you… 587 00:30:58,398 --> 00:31:03,444 have not stepped up and, like, done more to prevent this from happening?" 588 00:31:08,491 --> 00:31:10,952 I'd love to know what happened at the hospital with Mama. 589 00:31:11,035 --> 00:31:13,538 Yeah, me too. 590 00:31:13,621 --> 00:31:16,624 And I can scribble on it and see what comes through. 591 00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:21,212 Uh, such a hard thing to be emotionally detached from. 592 00:31:21,296 --> 00:31:23,214 -I know. -But I can try. 593 00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:32,265 I'm definitely getting some impressions, and as I'm delving into this, 594 00:31:32,348 --> 00:31:36,019 I'm really trying to detach myself from what's coming through. 595 00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:39,105 If I get too emotional, too invested, too biased, 596 00:31:39,188 --> 00:31:41,900 then my connection to the other side becomes skewed. 597 00:31:44,527 --> 00:31:45,486 There. 598 00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:48,698 It's funny reading family, 599 00:31:48,781 --> 00:31:51,200 but I'm going to relay exactly as it comes through. 600 00:31:54,037 --> 00:31:57,040 It's pretty evident to me in my belief 601 00:31:57,123 --> 00:32:01,252 that your grandmother may have had something to do with the process 602 00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:03,129 of how things panned out. 603 00:32:03,212 --> 00:32:05,840 Not knowingly, necessarily-- 604 00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:08,843 -That it'd be a bad sort. -It would be difficult… Right. 605 00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,596 But she wanted to help and give my mom a better life. 606 00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:15,892 And the way this comes across… 607 00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:22,607 There's just this feeling of it being too late 608 00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:24,901 once I realize that something's wrong. 609 00:32:26,861 --> 00:32:30,949 It definitely feels like my mom had to have been… 610 00:32:33,576 --> 00:32:36,788 obtained through means that your mother was not intending. 611 00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:40,667 Mm… 612 00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:42,251 Yeah. 613 00:32:44,045 --> 00:32:44,963 Phew. 614 00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:50,677 We don't have clear-cut proof that my great-grandmother knew, 615 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,596 or even facilitated the adoption, but yet, for some reason, 616 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,642 I think, my soul knows that my great-grandmother had some involvement in 617 00:32:57,725 --> 00:32:59,727 trying to give my mom a better life. 618 00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:03,564 That is literally all… I… my grandmother. 619 00:33:03,648 --> 00:33:08,111 The only connection I have to her now is going to be in this box, and that's it. 620 00:33:08,194 --> 00:33:10,738 Yeah. So did you hold on to any of them? 621 00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:12,365 -Yeah. I did. -At all? Did you? 622 00:33:12,448 --> 00:33:15,535 I just had a minute with myself. I cried. 623 00:33:15,618 --> 00:33:18,496 I didn't feel or see anything or have any visions. 624 00:33:18,579 --> 00:33:20,665 You know, but, uh… 625 00:33:21,958 --> 00:33:23,543 This is a very humbling moment for me. 626 00:33:23,626 --> 00:33:27,338 As a medium, I'm used to holding on to everyone else's objects and connecting 627 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:28,631 with their loved ones. 628 00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:32,010 I'm holding onto my own object, wearing it around my neck. 629 00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:33,511 And I felt nothing. 630 00:33:35,263 --> 00:33:36,639 -Wow. -Yeah. 631 00:33:36,723 --> 00:33:40,768 Felt, like, for the first time, it felt like a… I don't know. 632 00:33:41,352 --> 00:33:43,521 It was a moment I felt like I wasn't a medium. 633 00:33:43,604 --> 00:33:45,273 I was just a human being. 634 00:33:45,773 --> 00:33:47,859 That was humbling. That's why I cried. 635 00:33:47,942 --> 00:33:51,696 Because I just thought, "Wow. I'm not feeling anything from it." 636 00:33:51,779 --> 00:33:55,158 "I'm just feeling sadness. Just like anybody else would feel." 637 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,871 It's almost like this is your kryptonite. 638 00:33:59,954 --> 00:34:00,955 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 639 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,709 The answers I give to others I so badly could benefit for myself. 640 00:34:04,792 --> 00:34:09,380 It almost feels like a universal, cosmic joke that I can do this for others, 641 00:34:09,464 --> 00:34:12,800 but then, when I need it most for myself, nothing happens. 642 00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:15,928 I would love for them to be like, "This is what happened," 643 00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:18,639 but I haven't gotten even an inkling of that. 644 00:34:19,515 --> 00:34:22,060 And in this case, it's just too close to home. 645 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,730 -Do you feel frustrated by that? -Yeah, it is frustrating. 646 00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:28,816 All it'd take is one person to come through and give me the answer. 647 00:34:29,692 --> 00:34:34,280 But that's why this pursuit has been so important to try to find sources 648 00:34:34,363 --> 00:34:37,158 to back up the narratives of what we suspect. 649 00:34:39,368 --> 00:34:43,790 I'm still trying to figure out exactly how that all pieces together. 650 00:34:53,549 --> 00:34:57,637 What do you think the difference between superstition and OCD is? 651 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,932 -I think they're the same. -Yeah, it sounds like superstition. 652 00:35:01,015 --> 00:35:03,684 Yeah, no. It's, it's completely the same. 653 00:35:03,768 --> 00:35:07,063 I mean, I don't consider myself a superstitious person. 654 00:35:07,146 --> 00:35:08,648 Just kind of stitious. 655 00:35:09,398 --> 00:35:11,526 -I'm just kidding. That was dumb. 656 00:35:12,068 --> 00:35:14,821 -I'm semi-stitious. -Yeah, medium stitious. 657 00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:21,410 It's beautiful up here. 658 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:24,497 My nerves are like going up. I'm like, "I need a shot." 659 00:35:26,582 --> 00:35:28,543 -That's your problem. -I know you hate that. 660 00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:29,961 Yes. That's your problem. 661 00:35:30,044 --> 00:35:33,297 I feel like I do. Oh God. 662 00:35:33,381 --> 00:35:35,299 I'm, like, shaking. 663 00:35:35,383 --> 00:35:37,218 Yeah, I'm nervous. 664 00:35:37,301 --> 00:35:40,388 You know, for the last few years, 665 00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:45,560 I told you something about myself I feel like you may have already known. 666 00:35:45,643 --> 00:35:48,104 Definitely makes me happy in my life 667 00:35:48,187 --> 00:35:49,897 that you're proud of me with everything I do. 668 00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:51,858 You know how your support is huge to me. 669 00:35:51,941 --> 00:35:54,819 I have people that passed away that were super close to me 670 00:35:54,902 --> 00:35:58,322 that I want to know are proud of me too. Or what if that person don't 671 00:35:58,406 --> 00:36:01,617 and then I'm… I guess they're kind of left wondering. 672 00:36:04,912 --> 00:36:06,539 -Here we are. -All right. 673 00:36:06,622 --> 00:36:08,583 Oh, this is a tight little… 674 00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,042 Yeah, very tight, isn't it? 675 00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:14,422 -That's what he said. That's terrible. -Oh my God. Heather. 676 00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:15,923 Oh God. 677 00:36:19,677 --> 00:36:20,553 Ooh. 678 00:36:20,636 --> 00:36:24,348 Pretty. Pretty, pretty. 679 00:36:24,432 --> 00:36:27,059 -Hello. How is everyone doing? -Hey. 680 00:36:27,143 --> 00:36:29,770 -Great. Thank you for coming. -Thank you for having me. 681 00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:33,316 -This is cool. What a beautiful view. -Yeah, it's amazing, right? 682 00:36:33,399 --> 00:36:34,317 Yes. 683 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,570 I have my notebook here, and throughout this process, 684 00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:38,905 you will see me scribble. 685 00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:40,615 -Okay. -I have stuff coming through. 686 00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:44,160 It's helpful. We'll talk about it. Did either of you bring objects? 687 00:36:44,243 --> 00:36:45,369 -I did. -I didn't. 688 00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:46,704 These here are coins. 689 00:36:46,787 --> 00:36:49,207 Fabulous. So you can keep those there. 690 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:52,877 -And this as well. -Oh, that. Cool. I love that. 691 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,088 What I'll do is I'll scribble. I'll relay everything that comes in. 692 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,893 All right, I have more than one person coming through. 693 00:37:08,976 --> 00:37:11,854 So people even connected not to this object but others as well. 694 00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:13,940 So the interesting thing with this 695 00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:16,901 is that there's this feeling of amusement that you're here 696 00:37:16,984 --> 00:37:18,277 or that you're sitting here. 697 00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:21,280 They're glad you made it, but I don't know if you were nervous, 698 00:37:21,364 --> 00:37:24,450 apprehensive, not really sure, but they're happy you're here. 699 00:37:24,533 --> 00:37:26,160 I feel I have to highlight this. 700 00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:30,331 On some level of family, you know, associations, people we know, 701 00:37:30,414 --> 00:37:33,793 a number of people within your family passed away at a very old age, 702 00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:37,129 and we're all good. It's not a big deal, but there's these couple, 703 00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:40,341 these two passings I have to talk about to me that feel premature. 704 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:45,554 Okay. 705 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:50,017 The older of the younger passings is interesting me more 706 00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:53,312 than the younger-younger one. Okay. 707 00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:56,732 This guy passed away more in the middle ground. 708 00:37:56,816 --> 00:37:58,776 I feel it's a male, the way it comes across. 709 00:37:58,859 --> 00:38:01,070 Do you know a male who passed away in middle age? 710 00:38:01,153 --> 00:38:03,781 -Yeah. -Okay. 'Cause I feel like he's important. 711 00:38:08,327 --> 00:38:10,329 Now, there is a situation… 712 00:38:10,997 --> 00:38:12,581 Oh. 713 00:38:13,791 --> 00:38:17,837 Somebody was in a really rough situation emotionally 714 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,798 before they passed within how the family was changing. 715 00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:24,760 -I have to kind of explain this 'cause… -I got chills. 716 00:38:24,844 --> 00:38:27,763 If someone's in the middle of a breakup, 717 00:38:27,847 --> 00:38:32,852 or a custody battle or, like, were at a kind of contentious time, 718 00:38:32,935 --> 00:38:36,105 and then this person dies. This is what they're giving me. 719 00:38:36,188 --> 00:38:38,357 -Really clearly. Does that make any sense? -Yes. 720 00:38:38,441 --> 00:38:41,402 So that seems pretty significant. Who would that be for? 721 00:38:43,779 --> 00:38:45,406 Do you want to know everything?