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This is the crime scene.
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Do you get the feeling
of anything come through?
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Yeah.
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It's overwhelming.
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Whoo.
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The mother of the victim is grieving.
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She lost her son in a horrific way.
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She deserves to have the answer
as to what happened.
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My goal is to be able to give
her clarification and answers
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in a way that allows her
to move forward with a sense of healing.
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This is coming through
as a hit-and-run feeling to me.
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I don't feel it happened
somewhere else, and he was dumped here.
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It's not that kind of thing.
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I feel like I'm almost
on the verge of a panic attack.
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And with all of the traffic
and whooshing by me,
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it felt like I was taken back
to the time that he passed.
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Whoo.
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Yeah. Whoo.
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I wonder
if he was listening to music
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'cause I feel distracted,
is the way I can describe it.
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-Yes. Right.
-So I'll have to probably ask Mom.
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If he had a habit
of listening to music when he would walk.
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What I do know for sure is
this person knows they did it.
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So the person who hit him,
it would've been extremely obvious.
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While it feels accidental,
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I feel like the person who did this
had zero regard for his life.
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And had no problem just continuing on.
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Which is hateful.
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It's extremely hateful.
There's a feeling of, "I don't pull over."
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-Right.
-"I don't even care."
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Uh, but this information,
it's very helpful.
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-I'm gonna be able to talk to Mom.
-Absolutely.
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-And see what else comes through.
-That would be great.
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Thank you for taking me here.
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In going to see Aaron's mom,
my hope is to really connect with her son
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in a way that's different
than at the crime scene.
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This is a grieving mother,
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and despite the mysterious circumstances
that led to her son's passing,
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she needs help.
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She needs validation
and she needs a sense of reconnection.
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-I'll let you know what happens.
-Okay.
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-I'll see you shortly.
-Thank you.
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Thank you.
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The reason I hired Robin is that
there's never gonna be a closure for me.
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But I need peace. I need justice.
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I need people who actually did this,
a part of it…
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to man up
and be accountable for what they did.
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-Oh!
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Hello! I'm Tyler.
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Oh!
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How's it goin'?
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-Oh!
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It's okay. It's okay.
Give me a hug. I know.
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-No way.
-I know. It's overwhelming.
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It's okay. How are you?
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-Oh my gosh.
-It's nice to meet you.
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I know this is overwhelming.
It is all okay.
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-All okay.
-I gotta sit down.
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-Let's sit down.
-Oh my gosh.
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Absolutely. We can sit here, yeah.
We'll get you all comfortable.
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I'm happy to be here with you.
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Thank you so much.
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Sometimes people do bring objects
or want me to hold onto objects.
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-Do you have any?
-Yes.
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-If you don't mind grabbing 'em.
-Okay.
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-Oh, amazing. I love it. Very cool.
-They're ties.
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Thank you. Beautiful.
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I'll just put these here,
and I may hold onto them at various times,
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just to kind of help
make a connection, but…
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-We will see what comes in.
-Okay.
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Just to let you know,
'cause I know you're not aware of much of
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what I did earlier,
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but I went to the scene
of where your son passed.
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I'm so sorry
that you had to experience that.
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I went trying to see
if I could get any impressions,
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and I felt so much love.
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He is so much more
than what happened to him, you know.
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So I do have to talk about
a number of people coming in today.
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Yes, sir.
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When I'm connecting
on your mom's side,
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I have a number of people
from her side of family, all barging in,
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and they're together, and they're happy,
and they're with your son.
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This might sound weird,
but are there any instances
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within your mom's side of family
where a woman's name got repeated?
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-There's two "I" names.
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Are there two "I" names
that we know of?
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Can you tell me what they are?
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-Iris.
-Okay. And then?
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Iris.
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-Iris and Iris.
-Oh, Iris and Iris. Double--
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That's why I'm seeing double "I."
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-It's weird. They're implied differently.
-Oh my God.
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There's a couple things.
I was getting a double-eight connection.
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-It's okay, but there's eights.
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I'm seeing eights over and over again.
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It usually refers to either eight the age,
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eight the number, but it can also refer,
weirdly, to the month of August
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within the family, as being important.
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-Does that make sense? Okay.
-Yes, sir. 8-8-95, Aaron was born.
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I see eights all the time. All the time.
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-If I'm driving, eight, eight, eight.
-Yeah.
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He's coming across.
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He's trying to make me laugh
when he's coming in.
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Giving funny faces,
and when he comes through,
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there's this feeling of just such joy.
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-Gives me a smile.
-That's my son.
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-It looks like your smile.
-Yes!
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There's a feeling of,
if he could look like anybody,
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he wanted to look like you.
He's like, "If I'm gonna resemble anyone,
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what an honor to be able
to look like my mom."
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-That's my baby.
-Yeah.
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He also comes through with the feeling
of never being able to, like,
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"I'm not someone who would hurt a fly."
Very much.
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He's even joking me with,
he may have saved some animals.
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He loves, he loves…
We have a little cat, Hippie.
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-Yeah.
-He loves Hippie.
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-He would take care of her.
-Absolutely.
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But we rescued two dogs,
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then went and got the third
'cause it was a brother.
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-So yeah.
-Yeah.
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He has a message about his dad,
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but I have to articulate that carefully.
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-Yes.
-Um…
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He sees how much
you've had to do independently.
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And how maybe someone
could extend the olive branch,
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or help out a little more,
and maybe has kinda stepped back.
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His dad now lives in the Philippines
and really disowned him.
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Yeah.
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So I had to handle a lot on my own.
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Yeah. He's not angry,
but he realizes it for what it is,
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and you were always his rock.
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-Always. Still am.
-You were always his rock.
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I lost the most important person
in my entire life.
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My only son.
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He didn't do anything to anyone,
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except wanna love someone
and pray for you.
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And I lost him.
It's hard to imagine going on without him.
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We had so many plans.
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The last time I saw my son,
Aaron, it was late at night
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and a lot of long hours,
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and I remember coming in,
and I was in a mood.
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I'm gonna be real. I was in a mood.
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He's following me up the stairs.
He's like, "Give me a kiss."
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He always lifts me up and
gives me a kiss, but I was in my mood.
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Then I was finally like…
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I gave Aaron his first kiss
and his last kiss.
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Hmm.
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I didn't know.
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When he comes across,
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there is, um, a couple things.
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He very much… When I was there earlier,
and I wanna handle this sensitively.
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-But I also wanna be honest with you.
-Yes, please.
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When I went to the scene earlier,
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I was struck by how much
of a surprise this felt like.
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When I talk about an instant situation,
it was one in the way this comes through.
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For some reason, I didn't get a visual
of seeing what was happening.
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Feels almost behind me.
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I know it's a weird thing to say,
but when I was there,
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I was getting more my back than my front.
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I got back pain and started having
what I described as spinal feeling.
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So…
This just happened extremely fast,
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and he really did not know
that this was coming.
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Quite literally.
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Um…
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This was a path
that he had gone through many times.
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This, he had,
I feel like, been on this road before.
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Um…
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He also simultaneously knew
how dangerous it was.
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So this is the interesting thing,
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is I think he had been warned before
to be careful
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-on that particular road.
-Right.
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-Does it make sense?
-Yes.
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Yeah, and so he just gives me
this impression of,
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feel like I'm closer
to the road than I should be.
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But beyond that, I felt distracted
with noise in some way.
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I have to ask, did he ever listen
to music when he'd walk?
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He would, and I'd tell him not to.
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Okay. For you, what do you feel is fishy?
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We can talk about this and--
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-I feel he was set up. Um…
-Okay.
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Someone had threatened to do
the same exact thing to him a year before.
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When I first worked on the case,
when I got the folder in front of me,
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I felt that there was
a theory involving a racist.
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It's just interesting that
that theory came through the second…
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Granted, there was just a file folder.
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So I knew that was gonna be a theory
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that had been considered and brought up.
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But he doesn't come up with any
feeling of blame, or judgment, or anger.
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Typically, when people are
targeted or murdered,
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they will come through and say,
"Look, this person did this to me."
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But I'm less inclined to think that…
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somebody targeted your son,
or anything along those lines. Um…
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I don't feel like
the person who did this knew him.
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It doesn't feel like that.
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The amount of cruelty
in this situation is immense,
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obviously, for the fact
that they just kept going,
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but he acknowledges
that he went very fast.
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So it's not like he was,
you know, lingering or suffering.
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-He in his forgiving nature, is not angry.
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His soul is free. He is not angry.
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He did not hold on to this,
and I feel like we're gonna make headway
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in determining who did this.
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I do feel like in the long run,
justice will be served,
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and I feel like he feels that,
but he is not angry.
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He is not angry. He is okay.
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This is still very fresh,
but as time goes on, you'll process this,
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and he's gonna be instrumental
in being that voice in your ear.
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-Oh my God.
-He's gonna be that voice in your ear.
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In that way, you'll always have
a connection to him,
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I know it's not the same.
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-You'd give anything to just hug him.
-Yeah.
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But I want you to know that we do reunite.
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There's a lot of beautiful work
that you're gonna do in this world.
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This is not a goodbye.
This is just a "See you later."
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This reading gave me hope that I haven't
had in over a year and three weeks.
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-Yeah.
-It's the first time I genuinely smiled.
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-Good.
-On the inside.
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For him to come give me
so much hope, so much love,
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so much joy, is what I need in my life.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Tyler.
Thank you, Tyler. Thank you.
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Thanks.
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Oh.
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That was intense.
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That love. You can feel his soul,
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and I have to tell you,
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he has so much gratitude for you
for not giving up on him.
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-Yeah.
-And you know what?
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This wouldn't have been possible
without you.
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Oh, I appreciate it. You gave her
something I couldn't give her.
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That the police couldn't give her,
no institution could give her.
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Nobody would be able to.
Doesn't matter what happened.
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-Nobody can.
-Amazing. Thank you for everything.
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I spent last night actually scrying
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a good portion of the evening.
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It's where you look in a mirror
in a dark room and meditate.
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I did that in preparation for today
and saw some interesting things.
238
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I had, like, a… someone in there,
basically not super young, not super old,
239
00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:40,736
more that middle ground reference,
240
00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:44,907
and that seemed more obviously tragic,
because of the timing of it.
241
00:13:45,407 --> 00:13:50,287
And saw a man with, like,
facial hair, a mustache and a beard.
242
00:13:50,371 --> 00:13:54,416
It was very creepy. That's the thing
with looking into a mirror,
243
00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:57,211
or doing mirror gazing,
is that it's kind of jolting,
244
00:13:57,294 --> 00:14:00,840
'cause you do see things in the mirror,
and I don't really like that.
245
00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:25,406
Whoa. Stuff comin' in now.
Hearing the jingle of car keys.
246
00:14:25,489 --> 00:14:27,324
Okay. What does that mean?
247
00:14:27,408 --> 00:14:30,244
I don't know. It's what I'm hearing.
248
00:14:30,828 --> 00:14:33,330
Car keys. I don't know.
249
00:14:43,841 --> 00:14:45,676
-We're glad you're here.
-Amazing.
250
00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:46,927
You got peaches.
251
00:14:47,011 --> 00:14:49,179
-In Georgia, you have to.
-That's right.
252
00:14:49,263 --> 00:14:51,265
We have peach iced tea
and peach pie for you.
253
00:14:51,849 --> 00:14:53,225
Look how big this ant is.
254
00:14:53,309 --> 00:14:55,978
Do you see this?
It's like a nature documentary.
255
00:14:56,061 --> 00:14:57,646
He wants some of the peach tea too.
256
00:14:57,730 --> 00:15:00,566
-It's all good. So you're Kylie.
-I'm Kylie, yes.
257
00:15:00,649 --> 00:15:02,026
-Your name is?
-Kathy.
258
00:15:02,109 --> 00:15:04,445
-Do you have an object for us?
-I do. Hold that.
259
00:15:04,528 --> 00:15:06,822
-So I'm gonna hold onto this.
-Okay.
260
00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:08,866
I'll start scribbling
and see what happens,
261
00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:11,243
and I'll start relaying
everything that comes.
262
00:15:13,454 --> 00:15:17,917
Okay. We got that, that, that, that.
263
00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,211
Okay, come through.
Come through. I got you.
264
00:15:23,088 --> 00:15:25,925
There's someone who I thought
would be here, but they're not.
265
00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:29,929
Did you consider anybody else
potentially being here today?
266
00:15:30,012 --> 00:15:32,473
-To the reading… Yes.
-Okay, and they didn't…
267
00:15:32,556 --> 00:15:34,892
They weren't able to make it.
Was this is a female?
268
00:15:34,975 --> 00:15:36,852
-Yes.
-I have to highlight that person.
269
00:15:42,316 --> 00:15:43,150
Okay.
270
00:15:45,861 --> 00:15:49,657
Okay, so this is kind of weird, but
he's referencing to…
271
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time of his passing.
272
00:15:52,409 --> 00:15:55,496
There's a lot here.
Do you know of any Williams in the family?
273
00:15:55,579 --> 00:15:57,957
-I have a William.
-You have a William. Is he passed?
274
00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,543
-Yes.
-Okay, so I'm gonna do "mom," "son" there.
275
00:16:01,627 --> 00:16:02,920
"Williams."
276
00:16:03,504 --> 00:16:05,381
There's a joke about rival sports teams,
277
00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:06,924
or something along those lines.
278
00:16:07,007 --> 00:16:09,093
-Oh my God.
-The one off in the family.
279
00:16:09,176 --> 00:16:12,096
If we have a whole group
of people who are a fan of a team,
280
00:16:12,179 --> 00:16:14,640
then we have
one person who deviates from that,
281
00:16:14,723 --> 00:16:16,141
and it's like, "Ha, ha."
282
00:16:16,225 --> 00:16:18,852
'Cause William…
They were all from University of Florida.
283
00:16:18,936 --> 00:16:21,981
My sister and I went to Florida State.
284
00:16:22,064 --> 00:16:24,775
-We were the rebels.
-In the South, that's a big deal.
285
00:16:24,858 --> 00:16:26,485
-I love it! Got you.
286
00:16:26,568 --> 00:16:28,570
-So we have the William stuff.
-Yes.
287
00:16:28,654 --> 00:16:30,906
We have our guy here.
What was his first name?
288
00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:34,827
-Uh, Dennis.
-Okay. We're gonna put "Dennis" there,
289
00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:37,496
"William" over there.
So it'll help me mentally separate.
290
00:16:37,579 --> 00:16:41,041
Dennis, Dennis, Dennis, Dennis.
Let's see here.
291
00:16:42,334 --> 00:16:44,962
Hmm. Okay. Dennis, Dennis.
292
00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:47,965
All right.
293
00:16:48,465 --> 00:16:52,428
So yeah, they will do this,
but he's referencing to after he passed,
294
00:16:52,511 --> 00:16:55,389
a self-consciousness around…
sometimes people will decide to do
295
00:16:55,472 --> 00:16:57,433
an open casket or a closed casket.
296
00:16:57,516 --> 00:17:00,602
He's not wanting to be remembered
by how he looked after.
297
00:17:00,686 --> 00:17:03,355
-He's showing a symbolically close thing.
-Okay.
298
00:17:03,439 --> 00:17:07,317
He doesn't strike me as passing away
super young, but he's not giving me old.
299
00:17:07,401 --> 00:17:09,361
-Okay.
-He should've had more time.
300
00:17:09,445 --> 00:17:10,863
How old was Dennis when he passed?
301
00:17:10,946 --> 00:17:12,906
-Forties.
-Yeah, in his 40s.
302
00:17:16,410 --> 00:17:19,663
Huh! Showed me car keys,
weirdly, with this.
303
00:17:19,747 --> 00:17:21,915
-Do we have his car keys?
-Don't think so.
304
00:17:21,999 --> 00:17:24,835
-Do we know what happened to his car keys?
-I don't.
305
00:17:24,918 --> 00:17:26,920
I don't know why I'm getting this car key.
306
00:17:27,004 --> 00:17:29,506
I've been hearing it on the way here.
Like, jingle.
307
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:30,591
Um…
308
00:17:30,674 --> 00:17:32,760
-We'll circle back. Gonna write it down.
-Okay.
309
00:17:32,843 --> 00:17:35,471
"Car… keys." All right.
310
00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,853
There is somebody, I suspect
either filled up with fluids very quickly,
311
00:17:42,936 --> 00:17:46,440
or wasn't able to eliminate fluids
from their body fully.
312
00:17:46,523 --> 00:17:48,233
-Okay.
-So there's something there.
313
00:17:48,317 --> 00:17:50,527
And it feels like
whatever this is filled up.
314
00:17:50,611 --> 00:17:54,448
I feel like I've filled up, and I can't…
They're doing this to me right here.
315
00:17:54,531 --> 00:17:58,577
I'm very much going to my tummy.
And I feel like I'm sitting like this.
316
00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:01,038
-Do you think it's Dennis?
-I think it's Dennis.
317
00:18:01,121 --> 00:18:02,039
Yeah.
318
00:18:02,122 --> 00:18:03,082
Yeah.
319
00:18:04,833 --> 00:18:07,753
This is gonna sound ridiculous,
but there's a funny story.
320
00:18:07,836 --> 00:18:10,464
This probably is
not gonna make any sense right now,
321
00:18:10,547 --> 00:18:14,218
because there's a story of somebody
jumping out of a building…
322
00:18:14,301 --> 00:18:16,178
…jumping from a roof onto the ground.
323
00:18:16,261 --> 00:18:19,973
There's something weird they're having me
bring up to make fun of it,
324
00:18:20,057 --> 00:18:22,392
in the way this comes across.
What would that mean?
325
00:18:22,476 --> 00:18:26,772
So his son used to go to
their grandparents' house,
326
00:18:26,855 --> 00:18:28,774
and he'd jump off the roof.
327
00:18:28,857 --> 00:18:32,069
We sat on the roof together.
When Grandpa would come out to catch us,
328
00:18:32,152 --> 00:18:34,029
we'd have to run and jump off.
329
00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:37,199
Gotcha. It's a funny thing.
Going up, and then like I'm jumping down,
330
00:18:37,282 --> 00:18:39,660
but in a comical sense.
It's not how someone passed.
331
00:18:39,743 --> 00:18:41,245
It's a funny thing of like, yeah.
332
00:18:41,328 --> 00:18:43,413
-Like, "Run!"
-It was one of our memories.
333
00:18:43,497 --> 00:18:45,332
Being kids, and Grandpa coming outside,
334
00:18:45,415 --> 00:18:48,752
and we weren't supposed to be on the roof.
You better get off fast.
335
00:18:48,836 --> 00:18:50,671
Gotcha. That kind of thing.
336
00:18:50,754 --> 00:18:53,298
-There's a joke around that, so.
-That's crazy.
337
00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:54,675
They love to refer to things
338
00:18:54,758 --> 00:18:58,011
that they know will be funny
or kinda lighten the mood.
339
00:18:58,095 --> 00:18:59,513
There is that acknowledgment.
340
00:18:59,596 --> 00:19:00,556
You're good.
341
00:19:00,639 --> 00:19:02,683
-It's all good.
-So I--
342
00:19:02,766 --> 00:19:04,268
-It's incredible.
-Yes.
343
00:19:04,351 --> 00:19:05,352
But, uh…
344
00:19:06,687 --> 00:19:09,940
He's selective. I'm trying to get him
to tell how he passed. It's going
345
00:19:10,023 --> 00:19:11,608
a little back and forth.
346
00:19:12,901 --> 00:19:15,445
Because he's showing me… okay.
347
00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:17,614
I get a feeling of not feeling good,
348
00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:19,908
but not wanting
to talk about it or share that.
349
00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,703
-Yeah.
-There's definitely a feeling of…
350
00:19:22,786 --> 00:19:25,330
I have to say with this,
I'm hearing, sounds like
351
00:19:25,414 --> 00:19:27,666
a gunshot reference.
That'd be connected to him?
352
00:19:27,749 --> 00:19:29,710
I feel like I have to
highlight that aspect.
353
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,548
Interesting. He gave references
to both him and his son.
354
00:19:34,631 --> 00:19:37,551
Strange. Okay. Let me see here.
355
00:19:38,552 --> 00:19:42,055
I wonder if somebody around Dennis
either accidentally shot themselves…
356
00:19:42,139 --> 00:19:45,726
I know it's a very weird thing to say,
there's a story with a gun going off.
357
00:19:45,809 --> 00:19:49,938
And I feel a sense of, "Wow,
there's kind of weirdness around this."
358
00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:52,900
It's not like…
There's something strange there.
359
00:19:52,983 --> 00:19:54,526
-Yeah.
-Does that make sense?
360
00:19:54,610 --> 00:19:55,611
-Yeah.
-Very much.
361
00:19:55,694 --> 00:19:58,322
-I'm sorry 'cause it's--
-No, that's what you're here for.
362
00:19:58,405 --> 00:20:02,451
'Cause you bring up the emotions
because it's right on point with Dennis.
363
00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:04,536
-Yeah, it's okay.
-And his son.
364
00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:09,208
Yeah, there is definitely
an element of, like, this feels… heavy.
365
00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:10,125
Um…
366
00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:12,669
We're gonna focus on his son.
367
00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:14,463
-What was his son's first name?
-DJ.
368
00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:15,672
-DJ. Okay.
-Yes.
369
00:20:16,673 --> 00:20:18,967
-The one that jumped off the roof.
-Gotcha.
370
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:21,011
-I have another object.
-You do? Perfect.
371
00:20:21,094 --> 00:20:23,305
-And so this is for DJ?
-Yes.
372
00:20:23,388 --> 00:20:26,391
Awesome. All right.
Let me see what I can do here.
373
00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:36,735
This is a heavy one.
This is really sad. Um…
374
00:20:38,487 --> 00:20:40,030
Comes through all good.
375
00:20:40,822 --> 00:20:43,742
Anytime they show hesitance
around talking about their passing,
376
00:20:43,825 --> 00:20:45,535
it usually indicates, like, uh…
377
00:20:46,036 --> 00:20:48,747
-They aren't proud with how it went.
-Yeah.
378
00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:51,041
I don't believe
they hold onto shame,
379
00:20:51,124 --> 00:20:52,960
but there's this feeling of,
380
00:20:53,043 --> 00:20:55,629
"Ah, if I could do it over,
wouldn't have gone this way."
381
00:20:55,712 --> 00:20:58,006
He's bringing up this feeling of like,
382
00:20:59,132 --> 00:21:02,219
"Darn, that was dumb.
I shouldn't have gone that way."
383
00:21:02,302 --> 00:21:06,098
He's not giving me the full,
"I completely intended to end my life."
384
00:21:06,181 --> 00:21:09,393
-It struck me like, Russian roulette.
-Thank you.
385
00:21:09,476 --> 00:21:13,438
Unconsciously, either being reckless or
doing something they shouldn't be doing,
386
00:21:13,522 --> 00:21:14,940
and then something happens.
387
00:21:15,023 --> 00:21:17,484
They may not have planned to end it all,
388
00:21:17,567 --> 00:21:21,280
but they put themselves in such a position
where that they led to their death.
389
00:21:21,363 --> 00:21:24,700
So it's kind of a feeling of, like,
reckless is what comes through.
390
00:21:24,783 --> 00:21:26,994
-Versus, like, "I wanted out."
-Intentionally.
391
00:21:27,077 --> 00:21:28,370
Yeah. That makes sense.
392
00:21:28,453 --> 00:21:30,831
That said, I think
there was some depression
393
00:21:30,914 --> 00:21:32,582
that his son dealt with.
394
00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:35,168
In talking about DJ,
obviously, that's a lot there.
395
00:21:35,252 --> 00:21:38,630
I just wanna know
who he was to you and what happened.
396
00:21:38,714 --> 00:21:40,465
Yeah. So DJ was my cousin.
397
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:43,260
We were really close
as kids growing up together.
398
00:21:43,343 --> 00:21:45,095
And pretty close in age as well.
399
00:21:45,178 --> 00:21:48,724
And he committed suicide
right after I graduated college.
400
00:21:48,807 --> 00:21:50,517
-Gotcha.
-But yeah.
401
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,229
So he was the one that
tragically and suddenly passed away.
402
00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:57,983
It made sense, like you were saying.
I don't think that was his intention.
403
00:21:58,066 --> 00:22:00,193
I think that he got in that dark headspace
404
00:22:00,277 --> 00:22:05,032
and had access to something that,
made a really final decision for him.
405
00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:08,285
Yeah. And it was
a real big tragedy for our family.
406
00:22:08,368 --> 00:22:09,411
Yeah, absolutely.
407
00:22:09,494 --> 00:22:12,873
Unfortunately, his father is
the one that died before him.
408
00:22:12,956 --> 00:22:15,959
And committed suicide.
They both killed themselves with guns.
409
00:22:16,043 --> 00:22:19,546
-I see.
-So, and the mom found both of them.
410
00:22:19,629 --> 00:22:21,089
-Yeah. Wow.
-So, you know--
411
00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:22,758
Separate occasions, years apart.
412
00:22:22,841 --> 00:22:23,884
But she was--
413
00:22:23,967 --> 00:22:26,178
So yeah.
She's a very strong person.
414
00:22:26,261 --> 00:22:28,930
And she was the one that
if anybody we would want have
415
00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:30,474
at the reading, would be her.
416
00:22:30,557 --> 00:22:32,893
So I'm so glad you heard from them.
417
00:22:32,976 --> 00:22:36,646
So we can share with her
some of the great information.
418
00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:37,814
It'll give her peace.
419
00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:41,234
Good. Yeah, I think she was the one
that should've been here today.
420
00:22:41,318 --> 00:22:42,527
But she didn't have to be.
421
00:22:42,611 --> 00:22:44,654
-You guys can give her gift.
-Absolutely.
422
00:22:44,738 --> 00:22:46,782
And let her know that they don't…
423
00:22:47,282 --> 00:22:50,077
They don't want that image
seared in her mind forever.
424
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,119
-Yeah.
-Right.
425
00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:54,414
Especially with Dennis, I will say
he did give me a distinct feeling
426
00:22:54,498 --> 00:22:56,666
of not feeling well, physically even,
427
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:59,461
before a good amount of time
leading up to his passing.
428
00:22:59,544 --> 00:23:02,297
So I think if his life hadn't
ended the way that it did,
429
00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:04,216
it was probably going to end anyway.
430
00:23:04,299 --> 00:23:05,801
-It was.
-Just a different way.
431
00:23:05,884 --> 00:23:09,429
I think that was the rationale there
for him to be able to do that, so.
432
00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:12,349
So Dennis was
my husband's brother.
433
00:23:12,432 --> 00:23:14,559
They did an autopsy after he passed away,
434
00:23:14,643 --> 00:23:19,898
and if he had not died by suicide,
he would have died from liver failure.
435
00:23:19,981 --> 00:23:21,858
-Makes sense. Yeah.
-Yep.
436
00:23:21,942 --> 00:23:24,069
On some level, he had to be aware of that
437
00:23:24,152 --> 00:23:26,613
because he gives me
too much of a feeling of,
438
00:23:26,696 --> 00:23:28,865
"I knew, but didn't want others to know."
439
00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:31,868
-Yeah. That makes sense.
-It's a tough position.
440
00:23:31,952 --> 00:23:35,038
-People don't want to suffer. It's hard.
-Right. Yeah.
441
00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:38,917
So before the reading,
we were asked to write stuff down,
442
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,461
of messages we hoped to come through.
443
00:23:42,587 --> 00:23:44,381
-Nobody saw these before.
-Nope.
444
00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:46,675
So I wrote, "Roof."
445
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:48,760
I wrote, "Favorite cousin,"
446
00:23:48,844 --> 00:23:51,596
and then, like, "River,"
talking about Florida.
447
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,057
So that was all
pretty much hit on as well.
448
00:23:54,141 --> 00:23:56,601
That was my big key of,
449
00:23:56,685 --> 00:23:59,771
"Hey, this is something
I haven't talked to production about."
450
00:23:59,855 --> 00:24:02,399
"I haven't talked to Mom.
I haven't talked to anybody."
451
00:24:02,482 --> 00:24:03,900
"So let's talk about the roof."
452
00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:09,364
Just happy that we just got
some really good information from them,
453
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:12,200
'cause they're not here.
Their lives were cut short.
454
00:24:16,538 --> 00:24:17,914
Hey, Kylie.
455
00:24:17,998 --> 00:24:21,168
Hey, Aunt Laurie.
The big thing that he kept referencing
456
00:24:21,251 --> 00:24:24,254
is a third person that wasn't here today.
457
00:24:24,337 --> 00:24:26,673
And we, of course,
immediately thought of you.
458
00:24:26,756 --> 00:24:27,966
That is unreal.
459
00:24:28,049 --> 00:24:31,261
He was referencing some keys,
and jingling keys.
460
00:24:31,344 --> 00:24:36,016
I have, like, three sets
of keychains of Dennis and DJ's.
461
00:24:36,099 --> 00:24:37,225
Oh my God.
462
00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:41,146
I can't tell you how many times
the two of them would lose the keys.
463
00:24:41,229 --> 00:24:43,023
-That's so funny.
-My god.
464
00:24:43,106 --> 00:24:44,941
-I have all those keys.
Oh, wow.
465
00:24:45,025 --> 00:24:48,320
Did Uncle Dennis used to do
anything about feeling uncomfortable,
466
00:24:48,403 --> 00:24:50,238
or putting his hands on his stomach?
467
00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:55,035
He, uh, used to press
on his stomach underneath his rib cage,
468
00:24:55,118 --> 00:24:57,996
and kept telling me
it was heartburn and how that hurt.
469
00:24:58,079 --> 00:24:59,498
Yeah.
-It's so crazy.
470
00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:00,707
It was incredible.
471
00:25:00,790 --> 00:25:03,710
Wow. How awesome. How awesome.
472
00:25:12,302 --> 00:25:15,514
-I'm glad you had a good day.
-I did. It was great.
473
00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:19,017
But just try to enjoy
every day because you know what?
474
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,436
-Life goes so fast.
-Oh yeah.
475
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,271
You get Monday and Tuesday off.
476
00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:25,774
Maybe you could go outside
and get a walk in.
477
00:25:25,857 --> 00:25:28,860
-There's never anyone there.
-Zero interest in going outside.
478
00:25:28,944 --> 00:25:31,404
No one will bother you.
You can't stay in bed.
479
00:25:31,488 --> 00:25:33,365
-It's not healthy.
-Wanna bet?
480
00:25:33,448 --> 00:25:36,368
-No, on a serious note--
-I get up to walk around, and I go pee.
481
00:25:36,451 --> 00:25:38,161
Your ass is gonna
fuse to that bed.
482
00:25:38,245 --> 00:25:39,663
-You know what?
-Literally.
483
00:25:39,746 --> 00:25:42,374
It's gonna be fused to the sheets.
You're gonna get bedsores.
484
00:25:42,457 --> 00:25:44,543
You know what? You need to tone it down.
485
00:25:44,626 --> 00:25:47,295
You can't lay in bed.
It's not healthy. You're exhausted,
486
00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:50,215
and your job takes a lot of physical
and emotional strength.
487
00:25:50,298 --> 00:25:51,341
I walk to the bathroom.
488
00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:54,761
Yeah. Oh, BFD.
You know what "BFD" means?
489
00:25:55,262 --> 00:25:57,764
Big effing deal. Okay?
490
00:25:57,847 --> 00:26:00,058
-You know what, little woman?
-Yes.
491
00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:03,270
-I love you so much, Tyler.
-I love you.
492
00:26:05,021 --> 00:26:08,775
-That was a gorgeous man on a lawn mower.
-Do you want me to turn around?
493
00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:32,340
No, real technical way
to get it on the canvas there.
494
00:26:36,761 --> 00:26:39,848
After a reading,
I have natural processes I go through
495
00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:43,560
to cleanse myself of the energy
and the weight. I take a shower.
496
00:26:43,643 --> 00:26:45,312
Literal physical bathing helps.
497
00:26:45,395 --> 00:26:48,189
I meditate. I paint.
I try to spend more time alone
498
00:26:48,773 --> 00:26:50,817
in order to try to shake it off.
499
00:26:51,484 --> 00:26:54,696
I don't know. I think this one's gonna
get painted over.
500
00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:56,781
Kinda looks like an inflamed butt.
501
00:26:57,741 --> 00:27:00,619
This is like the end product.
It's the ring of fire.
502
00:27:00,702 --> 00:27:02,954
That's what I'm gonna call it.
"Ring of Fire."
503
00:27:03,788 --> 00:27:06,458
It's objectively bad, but let's see.
504
00:27:06,541 --> 00:27:07,375
Um…
505
00:27:08,084 --> 00:27:09,711
Yeah, we'll do a bit of that.
506
00:27:26,853 --> 00:27:29,773
-Good sign is I have a lot coming through.
-Good.
507
00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:36,988
-Yeah, I'm seeing baseball…
-Really?
508
00:27:37,072 --> 00:27:38,031
I'm seeing, uh…
509
00:27:40,116 --> 00:27:44,788
Like, awards, but I think they're awards
somebody got when they were alive,
510
00:27:44,871 --> 00:27:47,624
and they're no longer alive,
but we still have their awards.
511
00:28:10,146 --> 00:28:11,064
Wow.
512
00:28:11,147 --> 00:28:12,941
So is this your first time here?
513
00:28:13,024 --> 00:28:16,403
It is. I did get a reference
to the sports connections here.
514
00:28:16,486 --> 00:28:19,864
-Oh, wow.
-This is surreal.
515
00:28:20,865 --> 00:28:27,205
It is a special place. You know,
it played a big role in the 1984 Olympics.
516
00:28:27,288 --> 00:28:29,874
-Oh okay.
-But what year were you born?
517
00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:32,585
In 1996. So a little before my time.
518
00:28:32,669 --> 00:28:34,421
I was floating around in the ether.
519
00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:38,007
-But yeah, what a beautiful place.
-Yes.
520
00:28:41,594 --> 00:28:45,807
I'm really hoping to connect with
somebody who's really important to me.
521
00:28:46,307 --> 00:28:49,102
It's been really hard
the last couple of years.
522
00:28:49,185 --> 00:28:51,855
I felt isolated and alone.
523
00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:56,735
You know, he was somebody
that I could always talk to,
524
00:28:56,818 --> 00:28:59,154
and I miss our conversations.
525
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:04,617
I've been wondering,
is he proud of what I've done?
526
00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:12,417
Okay. I woke up this morning,
not expecting this,
527
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,377
so I'm really excited.
528
00:29:14,461 --> 00:29:16,337
Before we start, what's your first name?
529
00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:18,506
-Jeanie.
-Jeanie. Okay, cool.
530
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:20,633
-Do you have any objects?
-I brought some.
531
00:29:20,717 --> 00:29:21,926
Cool.
532
00:29:23,928 --> 00:29:25,054
Fabulous.
533
00:29:28,516 --> 00:29:32,520
Great. So I'll tell you first
what I got on my way here.
534
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:35,356
I had this very masculine energy
coming through.
535
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,983
This guy who was just, like,
536
00:29:37,066 --> 00:29:40,570
intensely determined to try
to come through and talk to you today.
537
00:29:40,653 --> 00:29:45,116
Very much like, "It's me. I'm here.
You're gonna talk to her."
538
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,745
And there was just
this feeling of an extremely strong…
539
00:29:48,828 --> 00:29:50,538
Like when someone walks in the room,
540
00:29:50,622 --> 00:29:54,542
and he dominates attention,
or almost like all eyeballs are on him.
541
00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:56,085
He was that kind of guy.
542
00:29:56,586 --> 00:29:59,464
The interesting thing,
and I didn't know where we were meeting,
543
00:29:59,547 --> 00:30:02,675
but I was getting references
like trophies, honors.
544
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,346
It's giving me a lot of imagery
of the things that we have that
545
00:30:06,429 --> 00:30:08,223
are more achievement-related.
546
00:30:08,306 --> 00:30:12,852
So things that someone might have done
that warrants giving them a plaque,
547
00:30:12,936 --> 00:30:14,938
a trophy, a medal, that kind of thing.
548
00:30:15,021 --> 00:30:16,523
Does that fit the bill for him?
549
00:30:16,606 --> 00:30:18,900
-Yes.
-Okay. Cool. Cool, cool, cool.
550
00:30:21,903 --> 00:30:26,533
He's having me acknowledge that his name
was put on something, and it's not like a…
551
00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:30,286
I don't… I've sat on benches before
where someone had their name on the bench.
552
00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:31,371
It's not like that.
553
00:30:31,454 --> 00:30:34,499
It's so obvious,
we wouldn't be able to ignore it.
554
00:30:34,582 --> 00:30:36,626
-That's how I'd describe it. Make sense?
-Yes.
555
00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:39,712
-Okay, cool.
-He is definitely trying to impress you.
556
00:30:39,796 --> 00:30:44,425
He's showing you something
you would understand and connect with.
557
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:48,763
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, seems very important for him.
558
00:30:49,264 --> 00:30:50,431
Um…
559
00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:55,311
It's kind of a funny weird quirk
that I'm gonna bring up.
560
00:30:55,395 --> 00:30:56,229
Okay.
561
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:59,315
If someone is financially comfortable,
562
00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:04,112
usually, they'll keep updating things,
buying new things, adding to a collection.
563
00:31:04,195 --> 00:31:07,949
He's showing me this situation
where if I have something, and it works,
564
00:31:08,032 --> 00:31:11,369
I don't need to buy a new one.
But I feel like I held on to things.
565
00:31:11,452 --> 00:31:13,329
-Does that make sense?
-Totally.
566
00:31:13,413 --> 00:31:16,374
But yet he was fully….
It's not like he was not well-off.
567
00:31:16,457 --> 00:31:20,295
I mean, he could've totally done it,
but he was showing me this feeling of,
568
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,339
"If it works,
you don't need to get a new one."
569
00:31:23,423 --> 00:31:26,175
But it's a quirk.
It's a funny thing. Does that make sense?
570
00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:31,431
I… You have no idea how many times
he had that conversation with me,
571
00:31:31,514 --> 00:31:35,643
because he had a couch
in his office that was dated.
572
00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:38,438
And I thought, "Oh, I'll surprise him."
573
00:31:38,521 --> 00:31:42,650
And so he came into the office,
and he was like, "Where is my couch?"
574
00:31:42,734 --> 00:31:45,361
I'm like, "No,
look at the new one we got."
575
00:31:45,445 --> 00:31:49,157
And he goes, "How would
you feel if I came to your house
576
00:31:49,824 --> 00:31:55,997
and took your favorite pair of slippers,
and I replaced them with new slippers?"
577
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,627
"That's how this feels to me.
Like, you know, I like this."
578
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:03,046
-If it's broke, don't fix it.
-Right.
579
00:32:03,129 --> 00:32:05,715
Yeah.
This is very much the feeling.
580
00:32:05,798 --> 00:32:08,009
It's funny and admirable.
581
00:32:08,092 --> 00:32:10,803
I mean, it shows
that he wasn't all about stuff.
582
00:32:10,887 --> 00:32:14,933
But it's more practical.
It's really interesting.
583
00:32:15,016 --> 00:32:19,145
And then, um… Okay, I've got that. That.
584
00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:23,608
All right.
585
00:32:24,817 --> 00:32:27,320
I'm trying to figure out…
getting more specifics.
586
00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:28,488
We'll get into it more.
587
00:32:32,742 --> 00:32:33,701
Um…
588
00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:37,372
I want you to know when he comes through,
he feels like you knew him in a way
589
00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:40,375
that nobody else
was ever able to fully get into.
590
00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:42,293
He showed me a nut. You cracked him.
591
00:32:42,377 --> 00:32:44,712
-You cracked it. You got in there.
592
00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:47,548
And it's funny. He comes across,
593
00:32:47,632 --> 00:32:50,551
he gives me this feeling of,
he was many things to many people,
594
00:32:50,635 --> 00:32:54,722
but I feel like to you, I feel like
you knew the core of who this person was.
595
00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:59,185
And in many ways, there's this feeling of,
like, just, I can be vulnerable,
596
00:32:59,268 --> 00:33:01,604
and there's an appreciation
in there with that.
597
00:33:01,688 --> 00:33:03,272
You had to be everything to him
598
00:33:03,356 --> 00:33:08,111
because when this comes across,
he's insistent, like, "This is my one."
599
00:33:08,194 --> 00:33:10,405
And it's really sweet. I just love that.
600
00:33:16,953 --> 00:33:18,162
Uh…
601
00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:21,374
He's bringing me
to the last six months of his life.
602
00:33:21,457 --> 00:33:23,459
-Okay.
-He didn't want there to be any…
603
00:33:26,879 --> 00:33:28,256
frustration. Um…
604
00:33:29,215 --> 00:33:31,467
I'm trying to think
how to articulate this.
605
00:33:32,301 --> 00:33:36,139
There's a feeling here of, I didn't tie up
the loose ends that I needed to tie up,
606
00:33:36,222 --> 00:33:37,724
and I'm sorry for it.
607
00:33:38,224 --> 00:33:40,143
He's bringing up this feeling of,
608
00:33:40,226 --> 00:33:43,938
"It's the only thing that I would've
really, really, really done over."
609
00:33:44,772 --> 00:33:47,233
That's very important
to him from what I can tell,
610
00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:51,237
that that situation
not skew how we remember him.
611
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,655
Um…
612
00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:53,906
Who is this for you?
613
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:56,451
My father, Dr. Jerry Buss.
614
00:33:56,534 --> 00:34:00,371
He was the owner
of the Los Angeles Lakers.
615
00:34:01,414 --> 00:34:04,375
That's why we're sitting
in the LA Coliseum.
616
00:34:04,459 --> 00:34:06,461
He attended this university,
617
00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:10,465
and, you know,
he came from very humble means,
618
00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:14,218
and it was really a dream
for him to be able to attend
619
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:15,803
this school on scholarship,
620
00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:17,930
and he loved sports.
621
00:34:18,014 --> 00:34:20,141
I like to say, my dad had his children.
622
00:34:20,224 --> 00:34:22,894
-But the Lakers were his baby.
-Right.
623
00:34:22,977 --> 00:34:25,730
He's been gone now for eight years and
624
00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:30,359
didn't really talk about death.
625
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:31,903
He loved his life.
626
00:34:31,986 --> 00:34:34,781
He loved everything that he did.
627
00:34:35,281 --> 00:34:37,200
It was too hard to say goodbye.
628
00:34:38,785 --> 00:34:41,829
There was a reference to the name
on something you couldn't ignore.
629
00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:42,872
So what was that?
630
00:34:42,955 --> 00:34:48,419
He was very specific that he wanted
a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
631
00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:49,462
Whoa.
632
00:34:50,004 --> 00:34:52,548
It was one
of my dad's proudest moments.
633
00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:56,135
He was just beaming
to be part of Hollywood.
634
00:34:56,219 --> 00:34:58,638
That's amazing. I love that.
635
00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:01,933
They're shifting gears a bit,
636
00:35:02,016 --> 00:35:04,352
which is a good sign.
They're gonna elaborate more.
637
00:35:05,311 --> 00:35:07,897
Old vision stuff.
Trying to figure out what this is.
638
00:35:09,398 --> 00:35:10,358
Okay.
639
00:35:12,819 --> 00:35:16,072
It's weird. They're having me
talk about someone losing a sibling.
640
00:35:16,155 --> 00:35:20,493
So… and the passing of a sibling,
and it seems significant in some way.
641
00:35:20,576 --> 00:35:22,537
Um, but I don't know how this pertains.
642
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:24,747
-'Cause I'm only seeing what I'm seeing.
-Yeah.
643
00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:25,748
Um…
644
00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:31,170
-Did you lose a sibling?
-Um…
645
00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:37,927
-But by choice, not by passing. Right.
-Gotcha.
646
00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:40,388
-So there's that disconnect. I see.
-Right.
647
00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:42,348
Um, would this have been a sister?
648
00:35:42,431 --> 00:35:43,766
-Yes.
-Yeah, okay.
649
00:35:45,226 --> 00:35:50,022
You know, I just want him to know,
I wish he could have told me sooner,
650
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:56,571
and that whatever fear, concern he had
about the information…
651
00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:59,949
-Yeah.
-Like it… I'm good.
652
00:36:00,032 --> 00:36:01,450
It doesn't bother me at all.
653
00:36:01,534 --> 00:36:05,121
Like, and I wanna make sure
he's at peace with that.
654
00:36:05,872 --> 00:36:10,585
My parents, when they were first married,
they had a child.
655
00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:14,714
-And they gave up the child for adoption.
-Yeah.
656
00:36:14,797 --> 00:36:20,469
And after, you know,
they never shared it with us.
657
00:36:20,553 --> 00:36:24,724
And then after he passed away,
my mom shared that with me.
658
00:36:25,224 --> 00:36:28,311
Then about a year and a half ago,
659
00:36:28,394 --> 00:36:33,107
we found the sister
that I never knew I had.
660
00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:38,529
And I think that was something
that was important
661
00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:43,201
to my dad that
he just didn't know how to tell me.
662
00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:46,996
Right. It comes through
as a feeling of patting you on the back.
663
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:48,998
-So you handled it great.
-Thank you.
664
00:36:49,081 --> 00:36:52,793
Of course. Are there any other questions
that come to mind related to him?
665
00:36:53,294 --> 00:36:59,717
You know, that… That he's happy
with the job that I'm doing,
666
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,553
and I want to know that he's proud,
667
00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:06,766
and that if there's anything
he wants me to know, or that's all.
668
00:37:09,852 --> 00:37:13,814
He feels like, in many ways,
you will spread his legacy,
669
00:37:13,898 --> 00:37:16,025
and he's like, "Thank you for doing this."
670
00:37:16,108 --> 00:37:17,860
I feel like you're spearheading it.
671
00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:21,697
In many ways, it feels to me like
he felt you've stepped up to the plate,
672
00:37:21,781 --> 00:37:23,491
when maybe others were expected to.
673
00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:27,995
You know, he, he, he left me in charge.
674
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,331
The way he had set up the business,
675
00:37:30,414 --> 00:37:32,416
it wasn't being successful.
676
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:37,505
And he had told me
that I had the ability through the trust
677
00:37:37,588 --> 00:37:39,048
to make changes.
678
00:37:39,131 --> 00:37:43,261
And I'm relieved to hear
that he said I stepped up to the plate
679
00:37:43,344 --> 00:37:47,098
because that was probably one of
the hardest things I've ever had to do,
680
00:37:47,181 --> 00:37:49,892
a couple of years ago,
was make the changes
681
00:37:49,976 --> 00:37:54,605
in order to get that success
that he wanted it to be.
682
00:37:54,689 --> 00:37:57,233
Envisioned.
That makes sense. I love that.
683
00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:00,861
I'm gonna think about him
as I move forward in my life.
684
00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:03,698
Because he and his impact
here today was special for me,
685
00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:06,325
so I'm so thankful
to be able to talk to you today.
686
00:38:06,409 --> 00:38:07,618
I hope to see you again.
687
00:38:07,702 --> 00:38:10,246
It'd be great
if I could get you to come to a game.
688
00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:12,790
-You know it.
-I would appreciate it.
689
00:38:12,873 --> 00:38:16,168
-You'd be very popular, I think.
-I would love it.
690
00:38:16,252 --> 00:38:19,422
-Everybody would come up to you.
-I'd love to go. We'll figure it out.
691
00:38:19,505 --> 00:38:22,925
Isn't there someone in your
family that's a huge fan of basketball?
692
00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:24,844
Of basketball? Who are you thinking of?
693
00:38:24,927 --> 00:38:25,886
Your mom.
694
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:27,972
My mom? You know what, that's right.
695
00:38:28,055 --> 00:38:30,933
-My mom is a huge basketball fan.
-Is she really?
696
00:38:31,017 --> 00:38:34,270
I'd love to meet your mom
and have you bring her to a game.
697
00:38:34,353 --> 00:38:36,314
I think you'd have a great time.
698
00:38:36,397 --> 00:38:38,774
So we'd really love that.
699
00:38:38,858 --> 00:38:41,777
Like everyone else, I went on his website,
700
00:38:41,861 --> 00:38:43,946
and I signed up on the waiting list,
701
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:46,615
hoping that someday,
my name would be called,
702
00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:49,285
and I would have
an opportunity to sit with him.
703
00:38:52,455 --> 00:38:55,875
And, um, he can make that connection.
704
00:38:55,958 --> 00:38:57,293
He's very special.
705
00:38:57,376 --> 00:38:59,170
It sounds like
you had a big day.
706
00:38:59,253 --> 00:39:01,172
Oh, it was huge. It was crazy.
707
00:39:01,255 --> 00:39:05,426
It was the… that was the daughter
of the founder for the Lakers.
708
00:39:05,509 --> 00:39:07,595
-What?
-Yeah, her name is Jeanie.
709
00:39:08,429 --> 00:39:10,890
-You met Jeanie Buss?
-Yeah.
710
00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:14,852
Oh my God.
711
00:39:14,935 --> 00:39:19,565
I feel a sense of relief,
and happiness, and connectedness,
712
00:39:19,648 --> 00:39:21,859
and just a nice…
713
00:39:22,443 --> 00:39:24,236
like, I feel like I got a hug.
714
00:39:25,446 --> 00:39:26,697
From your dad?
715
00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:32,203
It's really nice.
716
00:39:43,506 --> 00:39:45,591
-All right. I'm ready.
-Let's go.
717
00:39:47,676 --> 00:39:50,012
It'll be good
to see Felicia and Peter.
718
00:39:52,264 --> 00:39:54,433
Hopefully, they have some answers.
719
00:39:54,517 --> 00:39:57,728
-Or can give you their perspective.
-Yeah.
720
00:39:57,812 --> 00:40:00,689
I'm going to Hanford
because I wanna learn more about
721
00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:03,484
what happened to my mom's family.
722
00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:05,694
I'm glad I'm doing this today alone,
723
00:40:05,778 --> 00:40:08,197
just because it's such a sensitive thing.
724
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,368
I didn't want my mom to be here
because I'm very protective of her
725
00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:16,705
and just didn't want
to trigger anything in her.
726
00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:19,375
I want Felicia and Peter
to be able to talk openly,
727
00:40:19,458 --> 00:40:23,337
without worrying how she'll feel about it.
728
00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:36,809
I haven't seen them for a while
729
00:40:36,892 --> 00:40:39,311
because I don't go to Hanford very often.
730
00:40:39,395 --> 00:40:41,730
It doesn't evoke happy memories for me.
731
00:40:41,814 --> 00:40:45,401
It was a time in my life
that was categorized by pain,
732
00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:48,112
and not seeing a way out,
and feeling trapped,
733
00:40:48,195 --> 00:40:50,281
and wishing I was somebody else.
734
00:40:59,331 --> 00:41:01,542
I've never seen
this side of Hanford.
735
00:41:03,752 --> 00:41:07,047
There's not a part I haven't seen,
but it's been a while.
736
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,139
This area looks like Georgia.
737
00:41:15,222 --> 00:41:16,056
Yeah.
738
00:41:17,766 --> 00:41:19,185
Very conservative.
739
00:41:20,603 --> 00:41:23,772
This is where Stella murdered people
740
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:26,192
and done a lot of bad things.
741
00:41:27,693 --> 00:41:29,403
There's something very evil there.
742
00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:33,407
I mean, there's more that
we don't know that is just very dark.
743
00:41:43,709 --> 00:41:45,503
I'll introduce you at another time.
744
00:41:46,337 --> 00:41:47,963
This is such a heavy thing.
745
00:41:48,047 --> 00:41:50,466
-Yeah, I'm good.
-Probably not the best time.
746
00:41:51,175 --> 00:41:52,510
I'll tell you how it goes.
747
00:41:56,305 --> 00:41:58,098
I'm okay. I'm all right.
748
00:41:58,182 --> 00:42:00,184
-Okay, is this good?
-This works.
749
00:42:00,267 --> 00:42:02,645
-All right. I'll be back.
-Okay, will do.
750
00:42:02,728 --> 00:42:04,146
All right. Ah.
751
00:42:05,814 --> 00:42:07,691
-Hello!
-Hurry up, Tyler!
752
00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:10,152
-I'm running. I brought brownies!
-Oh my God!
753
00:42:10,694 --> 00:42:14,448
-How's it going? Oh, you look beautiful.
-Oh my God, you're so pretty.
754
00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:16,742
Oh.
755
00:42:16,825 --> 00:42:18,827
Oh!
756
00:42:19,787 --> 00:42:21,705
You're looking great!
757
00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:24,458
You're too cute!
How are you doing, Mr. Griller?
758
00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:27,586
-Hey, how do you like your ribs?
-You know what? I like carrots.
759
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:29,880
But I brought brownies,
so I'm making up for it.
760
00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:31,757
We were talking about your mom, how--
761
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,718
-That's right. I made those, though.
-Oh, you did?
762
00:42:34,802 --> 00:42:37,263
Better watch out
'cause I'm not a very good cook.
763
00:42:37,346 --> 00:42:40,558
-You remember the last time you saw us?
-It's been like seven years.
764
00:42:40,641 --> 00:42:42,226
-That is a long time.
-Yes.
765
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:45,688
-It's been a while.
-Pass me that potato salad.
766
00:42:45,771 --> 00:42:47,314
Absolutely, there you go.
767
00:42:47,815 --> 00:42:49,149
So, how have you been?
768
00:42:49,233 --> 00:42:52,194
I've been good. Just staying busy,
with everything going on.
769
00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:56,282
Obviously, you know a lot's evolved
in the past couple years.
770
00:42:56,365 --> 00:42:57,241
-My mom.
-I know.
771
00:42:57,324 --> 00:42:59,368
It all started with a DNA test.
772
00:42:59,451 --> 00:43:02,162
-That really threw us.
-That was kind of crazy.
773
00:43:02,246 --> 00:43:03,914
It threw all of us. We were shocked.
774
00:43:03,998 --> 00:43:06,959
I'm just so thankful
that you all are still in my life.
775
00:43:07,042 --> 00:43:09,587
Well, I tell you like your mama,
go ahead, I don't care.
776
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:11,380
She's always gonna be my sister.
777
00:43:11,463 --> 00:43:13,674
-You're always gonna be my nephew.
-Exactly.
778
00:43:13,757 --> 00:43:16,260
You can't cut off emotions
because somebody told you
779
00:43:16,343 --> 00:43:18,804
they're not your sister or brother.
Know what I mean?
780
00:43:18,887 --> 00:43:21,599
I was having
that conversation on the way here.
781
00:43:21,682 --> 00:43:28,188
There's no way we could ever
think of Theresa as not family.
782
00:43:28,272 --> 00:43:30,733
-Yeah. Of course.
-I mean, there's no way.
783
00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:36,614
See, Mom left for a year,
and then she came back.
784
00:43:36,697 --> 00:43:39,450
Then she left for another year,
and came back.
785
00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:41,827
And when she came back, she had Theresa.
786
00:43:42,578 --> 00:43:45,039
-I see.
-And I was holding her in my arms.
787
00:43:45,122 --> 00:43:46,206
She was so cute.
788
00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:49,460
She was like an angel light to me.
789
00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:52,171
-You're a survivor.
-Yeah.
790
00:43:52,254 --> 00:43:54,006
-Oh, big time.
-Yeah.
791
00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:56,467
-Been through hell.
-It's why I want to do this.
792
00:43:56,550 --> 00:44:00,137
Why I wanted to meet with you both
is because you showed such resilience
793
00:44:00,220 --> 00:44:01,263
in going through this--
794
00:44:01,347 --> 00:44:03,682
Yeah, I'm surprised I'm not a druggie.
795
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:06,101
-That's commendable!
-Or living on the street.
796
00:44:06,185 --> 00:44:08,937
-Or in jail or anything.
-People are going to be inspired.
797
00:44:09,021 --> 00:44:14,234
Because… my story, I mean,
it's just, lived in torture.
798
00:44:14,318 --> 00:44:16,278
-Yeah.
-You know, for years.
799
00:44:16,362 --> 00:44:19,615
What Peter had to go through,
and everybody involved.
800
00:44:19,698 --> 00:44:23,577
You know what? That's the one thing
I cannot forgive Mom for.
801
00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:25,537
-Understandable.
-What she did to Pete.
802
00:44:25,621 --> 00:44:28,082
-Of course.
-I could get over what she did to me.
803
00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:31,919
But not to my brother.
I will never, never forgive her for that.
804
00:44:32,002 --> 00:44:33,420
-I understand.
-It was horrible.
805
00:44:33,504 --> 00:44:34,755
-Yeah.
-I warned Pete.
806
00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:39,301
-I told him, I go, "You be careful."
-Yeah. She did. She did.
807
00:44:40,928 --> 00:44:44,139
She created so much anger,
and divisiveness, and chaos.
808
00:44:44,223 --> 00:44:46,850
-All your feelings are warranted there.
-Yes.
809
00:44:46,934 --> 00:44:50,437
I never even have had
the chance to speak to her, and she
810
00:44:50,521 --> 00:44:52,356
deeply infuriates me.
811
00:44:52,439 --> 00:44:55,317
Not only what she did to my mom,
but to you and Peter.
812
00:44:55,401 --> 00:44:58,445
It seems like everyone
she touched in some way was negative.
813
00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:00,489
Yeah. She was just cruel.
814
00:45:00,572 --> 00:45:02,199
-Needlessly.
-Cruel and evil.
815
00:45:02,282 --> 00:45:03,492
No reason behind it.
816
00:45:03,575 --> 00:45:06,954
And I just, you know,
and I always thought if I'd be real good…
817
00:45:07,037 --> 00:45:10,082
-Yeah.
-You know, she won't hit me this time.
818
00:45:10,165 --> 00:45:11,709
-It's not about that.
-Or anything.
819
00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:15,129
-I'd be scared to come home from school.
-I know.
820
00:45:15,212 --> 00:45:18,632
You know, it was just
a horrible life growing up in that house.
821
00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:19,550
Yeah.
822
00:45:20,259 --> 00:45:21,593
I just hated her.
823
00:45:21,677 --> 00:45:24,263
-After 13, I started hating her.
-Yeah.
824
00:45:25,431 --> 00:45:27,516
-It was just a nightmare.
-Yeah.
825
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:31,729
Theresa understands what I went
through because she went through a lot.
826
00:45:31,812 --> 00:45:32,980
Like I did.
827
00:45:33,063 --> 00:45:37,443
That was just so surreal
for me to hear for the first time.
828
00:45:37,526 --> 00:45:41,530
I've never realized
what they had to really deal with.
829
00:45:42,030 --> 00:45:44,658
I see my mom wake up
in the middle of the night.
830
00:45:44,742 --> 00:45:46,326
She has PTSD really badly,
831
00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:49,037
and I've traveled
with her across the country,
832
00:45:49,121 --> 00:45:50,956
and I'll hear her in the other room
833
00:45:51,749 --> 00:45:56,086
at night, just saying in her sleep,
"I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm scared."
834
00:45:56,170 --> 00:45:58,255
I hurt for my mom
in a way I can't even convey
835
00:45:58,338 --> 00:46:01,049
because there's a lot more there
that we don't know.