1 00:00:07,467 --> 00:00:09,510 [uneasy music playing] 2 00:00:10,928 --> 00:00:16,392 Some of these people on the other side had a hand in helping your mother 3 00:00:17,518 --> 00:00:18,770 figure something out. 4 00:00:18,853 --> 00:00:21,314 -We've been following my mom's journey. -Really? 5 00:00:21,397 --> 00:00:25,193 And there's something kind of similar in the feeling of, like, 6 00:00:25,276 --> 00:00:28,863 discovery, coming to an awareness, a conclusion. 7 00:00:28,946 --> 00:00:33,493 I feel the people on the other side were, like, pushing these events to happen 8 00:00:33,576 --> 00:00:35,953 so that your mom could get this, if that makes sense. 9 00:00:36,037 --> 00:00:37,705 -Does that make sense? -Yes! 10 00:00:37,789 --> 00:00:40,458 [vibrant music playing] 11 00:00:54,097 --> 00:00:56,140 [Tyler] Switching gears a little bit. 12 00:00:56,224 --> 00:00:59,602 I have to basically tune back in to what was coming through earlier. 13 00:01:00,103 --> 00:01:02,105 Brother is a big emphasis today. 14 00:01:02,188 --> 00:01:04,524 He's having me talk about his work for some reason. 15 00:01:04,607 --> 00:01:06,067 Tinkering with things. 16 00:01:06,150 --> 00:01:08,903 I don't know if people will call and be like, "Mr. Fix-It," 17 00:01:08,986 --> 00:01:11,447 or what the deal is, but it's those situations-- 18 00:01:11,531 --> 00:01:13,658 -That's awesome. You're so good. -[Tyler] When someone-- 19 00:01:13,741 --> 00:01:16,828 You're sweet. [laughs] How does that make sense in the-- 20 00:01:16,911 --> 00:01:18,621 -He is a mechanic. -[Tyler] Okay. 21 00:01:18,704 --> 00:01:20,081 -The thing is-- -He fixed cars. 22 00:01:20,164 --> 00:01:21,499 [Tyler] People called him for gigs 23 00:01:21,582 --> 00:01:25,044 that he wasn't qualified to do, but they expected he'd be able to do it. 24 00:01:25,128 --> 00:01:27,630 -Oh my gosh. What in the world? -[Tyler] I know. 25 00:01:27,713 --> 00:01:30,758 -Sorry, I'm just amazed by your… -It's all good. 26 00:01:30,842 --> 00:01:32,718 -…intuitiveness. -[Tyler] All right. 27 00:01:36,639 --> 00:01:40,643 Two things that are striking me as odd. There's acknowledgement of "V-A." 28 00:01:40,726 --> 00:01:43,437 "V-A" usually represents Virginia for me. 29 00:01:43,521 --> 00:01:46,107 -Are there any Virginia connections? -Yes. 30 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:49,152 Are there any Florida connections? Anybody who lived in Florida? 31 00:01:49,235 --> 00:01:53,322 Yes, you mentioned Virginia. My mother was born in Virginia. 32 00:01:53,406 --> 00:01:58,494 Then Marguerite, her biological mother, lived in Florida. 33 00:01:58,578 --> 00:02:01,414 So I think that was probably her coming through. 34 00:02:01,497 --> 00:02:03,457 -So excited about this part. -[Tyler] Yeah. 35 00:02:03,541 --> 00:02:05,376 With my mom, 'cause, oh my goodness. 36 00:02:05,459 --> 00:02:07,295 You're talking about a lot of stuff. 37 00:02:07,378 --> 00:02:08,796 -Oh boy. [laughs] -We'll see. 38 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,426 We'll see if we can connect you, but there is this feeling of a reference. 39 00:02:13,509 --> 00:02:15,178 Let me see what this is. 40 00:02:17,346 --> 00:02:21,434 The only way I would describe this is, it feels like the people on her side, 41 00:02:21,934 --> 00:02:24,770 there were missed chances to get to interact. 42 00:02:24,854 --> 00:02:27,190 My mom never got to meet her biological mother. 43 00:02:27,273 --> 00:02:31,277 I don't know if there's a similarity. There's an acknowledgment of a feeling. 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,655 -There is. -[Tyler] Not getting a chance to connect. 45 00:02:35,615 --> 00:02:37,241 [woman] My mother was adopted. 46 00:02:37,325 --> 00:02:40,661 -When she was a baby, days old. -Gotcha. Wow. 47 00:02:40,745 --> 00:02:45,666 Her whole life, she did not meet, did not know her biological family. 48 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:47,418 -Gotcha. -[woman] Until recently. 49 00:02:47,501 --> 00:02:50,046 -[Tyler] Ah. -She did that DNA test. 50 00:02:50,129 --> 00:02:52,048 -I think it was a couple… -Yeah? Wow. 51 00:02:52,131 --> 00:02:53,466 Maybe a year and a half ago? 52 00:02:53,549 --> 00:02:57,929 Through the DNA test, we were able to find her mother's side of the family. 53 00:02:58,512 --> 00:03:01,224 Um, same thing with my mom. Interesting parallel. 54 00:03:01,307 --> 00:03:04,227 And her mother did pass away about ten years ago. 55 00:03:04,310 --> 00:03:06,812 -Okay. -She didn't get to meet her. 56 00:03:06,896 --> 00:03:09,482 But we met, like, two half sisters. 57 00:03:09,565 --> 00:03:11,359 She had a half brother. 58 00:03:11,442 --> 00:03:16,447 To blow your mind here, my mom had also… She had three siblings. Half-siblings. 59 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:20,117 -[woman] Okay. -And, uh, one passed. 60 00:03:20,201 --> 00:03:23,371 Two are still living. So it's uncanny at this point. 61 00:03:23,454 --> 00:03:25,206 -Wow. Yeah. -Yeah. 62 00:03:25,289 --> 00:03:30,044 She got to meet that side of the family, and, like, we have family pictures now. 63 00:03:30,127 --> 00:03:34,090 They told us, "We've been looking for you for a really long time." 64 00:03:34,173 --> 00:03:36,884 "Like, actively looking for you." 65 00:03:36,968 --> 00:03:38,594 She's wondered her whole life. 66 00:03:38,678 --> 00:03:40,846 -I mean, she's 70-something now. -Yeah. 67 00:03:40,930 --> 00:03:45,226 Her mother was on her deathbed. She was saying, "My long-lost daughter." 68 00:03:45,309 --> 00:03:46,602 "My long-lost daughter." 69 00:03:48,437 --> 00:03:51,357 That's crazy 'cause that's exactly what happened to my mom 70 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:52,650 as her mother was dying. 71 00:03:52,733 --> 00:03:55,278 -Are you serious? -She was literally saying… 72 00:03:55,361 --> 00:03:58,948 She had dementia but could remember the little girl that she was looking for. 73 00:03:59,031 --> 00:04:01,242 -Her long-lost daughter. Ooh! -[woman] Yeah. 74 00:04:01,325 --> 00:04:03,577 [Tyler] That's spooky. I don't mean to take away from it. 75 00:04:03,661 --> 00:04:06,414 -No, it's… -But that's so weird, you and I. [laughs] 76 00:04:06,497 --> 00:04:10,293 -Just knowing brings peace to all of it. -[Tyler] Yeah. Sure. 77 00:04:10,376 --> 00:04:12,628 -So… -That's a blessing in her life. 78 00:04:12,712 --> 00:04:15,589 She's been able to find her siblings. What a gift. 79 00:04:15,673 --> 00:04:19,593 It's interesting that we have the parallel of making a discovery about family 80 00:04:19,677 --> 00:04:21,595 later on and all that in birth family. 81 00:04:21,679 --> 00:04:23,806 My mom still doesn't know who her father is. 82 00:04:23,889 --> 00:04:27,601 -And that's a huge point of curiosity. -Mm. Okay. 83 00:04:27,685 --> 00:04:30,855 Same with your mom. She doesn't know who her dad is. 84 00:04:31,605 --> 00:04:33,983 I do appreciate you coming here. 85 00:04:34,066 --> 00:04:36,694 -'Cause it's been very helpful to me. -[Tyler] Absolutely. 86 00:04:36,777 --> 00:04:40,364 -So thank you. -It's good to see you. Lovely to meet you. 87 00:04:40,448 --> 00:04:43,492 -Nice to meet you. Thank you. -Thank you guys for everything. 88 00:04:43,576 --> 00:04:45,828 -[woman] Take care. -Bye! [chuckles] 89 00:04:45,911 --> 00:04:46,871 Okay. 90 00:04:46,954 --> 00:04:48,539 -[sighs, chuckles] -[chuckles] 91 00:04:48,622 --> 00:04:50,333 [laughs] 92 00:04:50,416 --> 00:04:51,917 -Was that not awesome? -Yeah. 93 00:04:52,501 --> 00:04:53,961 [woman] My heart is full. 94 00:04:54,045 --> 00:04:57,882 This whole thing has been very overwhelming but very exciting. 95 00:04:57,965 --> 00:05:01,969 Having that connection with Tyler, you do get a feeling of, 96 00:05:02,053 --> 00:05:06,057 you have a direct connection to your lost loved one. 97 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:09,560 It's almost kind of like they were never gone to begin with. 98 00:05:09,643 --> 00:05:12,355 It's pretty incredible. 99 00:05:12,438 --> 00:05:14,398 [Tyler] That was pretty crazy. 100 00:05:14,482 --> 00:05:18,194 After doing thousands of readings and connecting to so many family stories, 101 00:05:18,277 --> 00:05:21,739 it's really surreal to connect to someone who has so many similarities 102 00:05:21,822 --> 00:05:22,990 to my own family's story. 103 00:05:23,074 --> 00:05:26,452 It's possible that they on the other side orchestrated this reading to happen 104 00:05:26,535 --> 00:05:31,457 to show me that I needed to take the advice I was given and was giving. 105 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:32,792 [chuckling] 106 00:05:32,875 --> 00:05:34,585 [upbeat music playing] 107 00:05:44,512 --> 00:05:47,932 [Heather] One of my clients, he bought a ping-pong table. 108 00:05:48,015 --> 00:05:51,102 Susan Sarandon apparently popularized ping pong. 109 00:05:52,019 --> 00:05:53,187 -Yeah. -That's random. 110 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:55,981 Very random. I'm sure it was a sport before Susan Sarandon, 111 00:05:56,065 --> 00:05:57,316 but she invested in it, 112 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,693 and it, like, it took off. 113 00:05:59,777 --> 00:06:01,112 Where'd you get this info? 114 00:06:01,195 --> 00:06:03,197 -There's articles written about-- -Really? 115 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:05,199 Susan Sarandon's relationship with ping-pong. 116 00:06:05,282 --> 00:06:06,784 I'm not too bad at it. 117 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:10,246 I'm not great. But I can sometimes, like-- 118 00:06:10,329 --> 00:06:13,124 -Hit the ball? -Yeah, sometimes I can hit the ball. 119 00:06:13,624 --> 00:06:16,127 I'm not renowned for my eye-hand coordination. 120 00:06:16,210 --> 00:06:19,171 Mental ability, sure. Hand-eye coordination-- 121 00:06:19,255 --> 00:06:20,464 -Not so much. -Not so much. 122 00:06:20,548 --> 00:06:22,967 [vibrant music playing] 123 00:06:43,571 --> 00:06:46,240 -Hello. How's it going? -[woman] Oh my goodness. 124 00:06:46,824 --> 00:06:50,828 -Tyler. How are you? Lovely to meet you. -Hello. It's a pleasure to meet you. 125 00:06:50,911 --> 00:06:52,413 -I'm Carie. -Wonderful to meet you. 126 00:06:52,496 --> 00:06:54,331 -Thank you for having me. -Of course. 127 00:06:54,415 --> 00:06:56,625 -[Tyler] You have some stuff here. -[Carie] I do. 128 00:06:56,709 --> 00:06:58,502 -[Tyler] You came prepared. I love it. -I did. 129 00:06:58,586 --> 00:07:00,796 Okay. So we'll hold on to this first. 130 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,215 We'll see what comes through, just in general, but… 131 00:07:03,299 --> 00:07:06,469 We're gonna go all across the board. Just give me one second. 132 00:07:06,552 --> 00:07:08,137 Let's start connecting. 133 00:07:08,220 --> 00:07:09,889 We're gonna see what we get. 134 00:07:09,972 --> 00:07:11,849 Pardon my forgetfulness. Your name? 135 00:07:11,932 --> 00:07:13,184 -Carie. -Carie. Okay. 136 00:07:13,267 --> 00:07:15,269 Amazing. Carie, Carie, Carie, Carie. 137 00:07:15,811 --> 00:07:17,938 So we're gonna see what comes in. 138 00:07:21,942 --> 00:07:23,903 Okay. Yeah. 139 00:07:24,445 --> 00:07:26,071 [soft music playing] 140 00:07:32,453 --> 00:07:33,287 Yeah? 141 00:07:34,288 --> 00:07:36,415 All right. Got one, two… 142 00:07:38,167 --> 00:07:39,126 This is weird. 143 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:45,174 The way that this is kind of hitting me is there is a reference to 144 00:07:45,257 --> 00:07:47,092 what I'd define as a tragic passing. 145 00:07:47,176 --> 00:07:49,845 Tragic passings are premature. Typically not expected. 146 00:07:49,929 --> 00:07:52,681 It's when someone taken from us too soon. 147 00:07:52,765 --> 00:07:55,851 The weird thing with this is, there's two iterations of this. 148 00:07:55,935 --> 00:07:59,772 So it's like we have one person who died very young or really early, 149 00:07:59,855 --> 00:08:01,732 or under really tragic circumstances. 150 00:08:01,815 --> 00:08:04,235 Then we deal with another really tragic situation 151 00:08:04,318 --> 00:08:07,196 of someone who passed away under premature circumstances. 152 00:08:07,780 --> 00:08:12,493 Can you relate to two passings of people who passed away tragically and early? 153 00:08:12,576 --> 00:08:13,661 -Absolutely. -[Tyler] Okay. 154 00:08:13,744 --> 00:08:16,956 I feel the reason I'm here is to talk about these two. 155 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:20,417 Because they're inseparable, is the way I would describe this. Okay. 156 00:08:21,752 --> 00:08:22,836 All right. 157 00:08:25,631 --> 00:08:27,007 Okay, yeah. 158 00:08:27,091 --> 00:08:30,010 I feel like we need to talk about your grief process 159 00:08:30,094 --> 00:08:32,555 in the context of individuals passing, 160 00:08:32,638 --> 00:08:34,306 but the feeling that came through 161 00:08:34,390 --> 00:08:37,935 was a sense of not being able to grieve at the time that this happened. 162 00:08:38,018 --> 00:08:40,229 Like you had to reschedule your grief 163 00:08:40,312 --> 00:08:41,730 or delay it in a big way. 164 00:08:41,814 --> 00:08:45,693 It felt like this happens, and then I'm not able to go through 165 00:08:45,776 --> 00:08:47,444 this natural grief process. 166 00:08:47,528 --> 00:08:48,445 It feels delayed. 167 00:08:48,529 --> 00:08:52,074 We'll talk about that as far as why that could've been and all of that. 168 00:08:52,157 --> 00:08:53,492 I'm gonna keep going here. 169 00:08:56,912 --> 00:09:00,666 This isn't particularly unique, but I keep getting water symbology. 170 00:09:00,749 --> 00:09:02,167 And I don't know why. Um… 171 00:09:02,751 --> 00:09:05,004 I'm seeing, like, very, um, water. 172 00:09:05,087 --> 00:09:07,256 -[Carie] You're-- -In a big way. Does that make sense? 173 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,466 -Yes. [laughs] -[Tyler] Yeah. 174 00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:12,303 -Water is… It's all about the water. -[Tyler] Yeah. 175 00:09:14,597 --> 00:09:17,391 Gonna keep going. Oh, a lot coming in here. 176 00:09:20,269 --> 00:09:23,063 I don't know what that means. There's that, that… 177 00:09:25,941 --> 00:09:26,775 Um… 178 00:09:26,859 --> 00:09:30,738 I'm gonna try to handle this as best I can. 179 00:09:32,072 --> 00:09:34,575 The younger of the two keeps bringing up Christmas. 180 00:09:34,658 --> 00:09:37,453 Keep seeing Christmas symbology, Christmas lights, Christmas… 181 00:09:37,536 --> 00:09:41,123 But it's more than a kid who likes Christmas. There's something here. 182 00:09:41,749 --> 00:09:46,754 The accident happened just a few days after Christmas. 183 00:09:46,837 --> 00:09:49,548 -Yeah. -[Carie] It was our last celebration. 184 00:09:49,632 --> 00:09:53,427 It, it… In the way this comes across, being put positively, very happy, 185 00:09:53,510 --> 00:09:56,847 but I can tell it's kind of a bittersweet time of year. 186 00:09:57,348 --> 00:09:58,432 I'm gonna keep going. 187 00:09:59,683 --> 00:10:03,646 For some reason, an extraordinary amount of emphasis is being put on you, 188 00:10:03,729 --> 00:10:06,899 as to what you had to do, both before the passings 189 00:10:06,982 --> 00:10:08,942 but then afterwards. 190 00:10:10,277 --> 00:10:12,821 So there's a feeling of gratitude around that. 191 00:10:12,905 --> 00:10:14,740 It's really interesting. 192 00:10:14,823 --> 00:10:17,493 -I'm a single mother. -[Tyler] Okay, amazing. 193 00:10:17,576 --> 00:10:20,371 Without giving too much away, when we talk about two passings 194 00:10:20,454 --> 00:10:23,999 that would have happened in what feels like under two years, 195 00:10:24,083 --> 00:10:26,126 who would those be for you? 196 00:10:27,211 --> 00:10:28,170 My daughters. 197 00:10:29,797 --> 00:10:32,466 I had three wonderful daughters. 198 00:10:33,967 --> 00:10:35,928 Morgan was 25. 199 00:10:36,428 --> 00:10:38,847 Summer and Sawyer were 12 years old. 200 00:10:38,931 --> 00:10:43,644 I have twins. Sawyer was definitely the boss of the two girls. 201 00:10:43,727 --> 00:10:47,106 She liked to call the shots. Summer was happy to go along with her. 202 00:10:47,189 --> 00:10:48,857 What was neat about Morgan and I, 203 00:10:48,941 --> 00:10:50,984 when she became a grown woman, 204 00:10:51,068 --> 00:10:54,363 she became not only my daughter but my friend. 205 00:10:54,446 --> 00:10:57,199 She was very involved in the twins' life. 206 00:10:57,282 --> 00:11:02,037 But on January 9th, 2018, 207 00:11:02,121 --> 00:11:06,333 I lost my daughter Sawyer and my daughter Morgan. 208 00:11:06,834 --> 00:11:10,045 There used to be four of us. Our house was filled with laughter 209 00:11:10,129 --> 00:11:13,882 and noise and excitement and energy. 210 00:11:13,966 --> 00:11:16,385 And now it's very quiet. 211 00:11:16,468 --> 00:11:21,265 It's filled with a young girl and a mother who are 212 00:11:22,558 --> 00:11:26,228 so broken and just trying to cope every day. 213 00:11:27,896 --> 00:11:29,481 [Tyler] A feeling of confusion. 214 00:11:29,565 --> 00:11:32,192 I just felt confused, is the only way to describe it. 215 00:11:32,276 --> 00:11:36,363 When people pass away in car accidents, usually there's not confusion. 216 00:11:36,447 --> 00:11:38,574 -Right. -[Tyler] It's not striking me that way. 217 00:11:38,657 --> 00:11:40,534 What strikes me is this feeling of 218 00:11:40,617 --> 00:11:43,370 immediately having to make a split-second decision. 219 00:11:43,454 --> 00:11:46,623 What do we do? Where do we go? What's happening? And it happens. 220 00:11:46,707 --> 00:11:47,958 -Yes. -[Tyler] Just like that. 221 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:50,294 And so it's not like, uh… 222 00:11:51,879 --> 00:11:56,175 Whoo! This is very complicated, is the only way to describe it. Uh… 223 00:11:56,258 --> 00:11:57,968 -Chaos. -[Tyler] Yeah, absolutely. 224 00:11:58,051 --> 00:11:59,428 -It was chaos. -Pandemonium. 225 00:11:59,511 --> 00:12:00,763 -[Carie] Yes. -Um… 226 00:12:02,181 --> 00:12:03,640 Hmm. That's strange. 227 00:12:04,683 --> 00:12:07,728 Uh, there's some things that should be here but are not. 228 00:12:07,811 --> 00:12:09,062 And they are objects. 229 00:12:09,146 --> 00:12:11,857 So this is kinda weird. There should be more. 230 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:13,525 There's something weird here. 231 00:12:13,609 --> 00:12:17,362 I kinda wonder if either… if something happened 232 00:12:17,446 --> 00:12:20,240 that got rid of a lot of the objects we'd normally have. 233 00:12:20,324 --> 00:12:21,992 -[Carie] Everything. -Yes. 234 00:12:22,075 --> 00:12:24,286 We lost everything. 235 00:12:24,369 --> 00:12:25,412 I'm so sorry. 236 00:12:25,496 --> 00:12:26,455 [pen scribbles] 237 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:31,335 The way this comes across, 238 00:12:31,418 --> 00:12:34,171 they're having me talk about the day that this happened. 239 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:36,340 They're having me talk about where it happened. 240 00:12:36,423 --> 00:12:39,551 Um, it looks like it… [grunts] 241 00:12:40,219 --> 00:12:42,346 The way I'd describe it, I see destruction. 242 00:12:42,429 --> 00:12:45,933 -There's, like, large-scale damage. -Yes. 243 00:12:46,016 --> 00:12:48,227 -[Tyler] In addition to these passings. -Yes. 244 00:12:48,727 --> 00:12:50,854 [Tyler] I'm interested to talk about what happened. 245 00:12:50,938 --> 00:12:53,816 I've never had anything come through this way. Feels like… 246 00:12:54,691 --> 00:12:57,319 The closest thing I can come to it is like, when, um… 247 00:12:57,402 --> 00:12:59,780 I had someone who died in a landslide. 248 00:12:59,863 --> 00:13:02,115 Felt very similar. It felt like… 249 00:13:03,534 --> 00:13:05,911 Very quick. Uh, does that make any sense? 250 00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:08,372 -Yes. -[Tyler sighs] I'm sorry. 251 00:13:10,541 --> 00:13:13,752 Man. Man, man, man. Okay. 252 00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:20,759 Yeah. This is so hard to explain 'cause I'm not certain of what this is. 253 00:13:20,843 --> 00:13:23,971 My best interpretation is there would've been a conversation 254 00:13:24,054 --> 00:13:27,808 in the days leading up to this passing or moments leading up to this passing 255 00:13:27,891 --> 00:13:29,893 of, like, what we need to do. 256 00:13:30,936 --> 00:13:34,064 But then just doesn't happen fast enough. And I-- 257 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:37,401 Yes. There were conversations prior to this accident. 258 00:13:37,484 --> 00:13:39,736 [Tyler] Of, "We gotta do something. What do we do?" 259 00:13:39,820 --> 00:13:41,488 -Yes. -[Tyler] It's really weird. 260 00:13:41,572 --> 00:13:42,531 Um… 261 00:13:42,614 --> 00:13:43,824 I want to be very clear. 262 00:13:43,907 --> 00:13:46,368 Neither of them give me any feelings of any pain. 263 00:13:46,451 --> 00:13:49,246 -Really? -I've done readings where I'd tell people 264 00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:51,748 if someone was hurting. I don't get that feeling. 265 00:13:51,832 --> 00:13:56,879 This happened so quick. I feel like I leave my body before I feel anything. 266 00:13:56,962 --> 00:13:57,796 Okay. 267 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,842 [Tyler] It feels like they want to release you of any feelings of guilt, 268 00:14:01,925 --> 00:14:04,386 accountability, "should have done this over that." 269 00:14:04,469 --> 00:14:07,764 Even though there were discussions previously, like, what to do. 270 00:14:07,848 --> 00:14:10,934 -A decision to make. -Yeah, no one could have known 271 00:14:11,018 --> 00:14:12,561 what was gonna happen. 272 00:14:12,644 --> 00:14:14,438 Right, and at this point, 273 00:14:15,188 --> 00:14:18,025 I wanna go to, however extent you're comfortable sharing, 274 00:14:18,108 --> 00:14:20,694 what happened, and, you know? 275 00:14:20,777 --> 00:14:21,778 Well. [sighs] 276 00:14:22,905 --> 00:14:24,448 Um… 277 00:14:24,531 --> 00:14:26,700 It was the Montecito mudslide. 278 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:30,704 [voice breaking] And, um, 23 people died. 279 00:14:30,787 --> 00:14:32,247 Two of them were my children. 280 00:14:32,748 --> 00:14:38,003 Torrential downpours have unleashed a deadly wave of flooding and mudslides. 281 00:14:38,086 --> 00:14:41,798 This morning, crews are racing against time, looking for survivors, 282 00:14:41,882 --> 00:14:45,761 and new images are revealing staggering devastation. 283 00:14:47,054 --> 00:14:50,682 [Carie] The night before the mudslide, this big storm was coming. 284 00:14:50,766 --> 00:14:53,894 Part of Montecito was evacuated, and part of it was not. 285 00:14:53,977 --> 00:14:55,187 I was not evacuated. 286 00:14:55,270 --> 00:14:56,104 Right. 287 00:14:56,605 --> 00:15:00,067 But the decision was to stay or to go. 288 00:15:00,150 --> 00:15:02,277 I put them to bed and said, "Don't be scared." 289 00:15:02,361 --> 00:15:04,655 "When you hear the rain, don't be afraid." 290 00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:07,866 That's the last time I saw my daughter Sawyer. 291 00:15:07,950 --> 00:15:08,825 Wow. 292 00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:14,206 And then the torrential downpour came and… 293 00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:20,587 3:30 in the morning, our house exploded with all of us in it. 294 00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:22,631 [sighs] 295 00:15:22,714 --> 00:15:27,302 Morgan and I were holding on to each other in the water, 296 00:15:27,886 --> 00:15:32,557 in the mud, and it was going about 80 miles an hour. 297 00:15:32,641 --> 00:15:34,810 We were all completely separated. 298 00:15:35,602 --> 00:15:36,937 And… 299 00:15:38,355 --> 00:15:41,566 I broke almost every bone in my body from the waist up. 300 00:15:41,650 --> 00:15:43,026 I was barely alive. 301 00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:45,529 I was lucky enough that I was buried in the mud. 302 00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:48,991 This much of my face was sticking out, that I could scream for help. 303 00:15:49,074 --> 00:15:53,328 And, I don't really remember anything after that for a few days. 304 00:15:53,412 --> 00:15:56,540 My daughter Summer, who is a survivor, 305 00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:59,876 by the time they found her, she was buried ten feet under the mud, 306 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:03,171 with pieces of houses and cars piled on top of her. 307 00:16:03,755 --> 00:16:05,549 They were lucky enough to find her, 308 00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:08,051 but she was in a coma after that for a few weeks. 309 00:16:08,135 --> 00:16:10,262 We didn't know that she was going to survive either. 310 00:16:10,345 --> 00:16:11,763 -Wow. -And… 311 00:16:11,847 --> 00:16:14,975 We didn't find Sawyer till next morning and she was gone. 312 00:16:15,058 --> 00:16:17,561 We didn't find Morgan for five days. 313 00:16:18,854 --> 00:16:20,147 I mean, I, um… 314 00:16:22,524 --> 00:16:25,318 I tried to save my oldest daughter, and I couldn't save her. 315 00:16:26,778 --> 00:16:29,406 -[Tyler] Yeah. Yeah. -[cries] 316 00:16:30,741 --> 00:16:33,577 [delicate music playing] 317 00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:34,619 [Carie sniffles] 318 00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:36,830 Yeah. 319 00:16:50,719 --> 00:16:52,137 Phew. Uh… 320 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:53,263 [tuts] 321 00:16:53,847 --> 00:16:55,599 I'll take one minute. I'm so sorry. 322 00:16:55,682 --> 00:16:59,269 If you've seen all these readings I do, I never get emotional, 323 00:16:59,352 --> 00:17:01,563 but that's just… My heart goes out to you. 324 00:17:01,646 --> 00:17:03,190 -[Carie] Thank you. -I'm so sorry. 325 00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:06,943 -It's been horrible. -[Tyler] Yeah. Such a tragic thing. 326 00:17:07,027 --> 00:17:09,446 For anybody to have to go through that is just… 327 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:13,700 To be able to wake up the next morning, after that and continue with your life. 328 00:17:13,784 --> 00:17:17,621 The amount of strength that you had to display and have to display, 329 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:20,749 just to get up in the morning, has to be huge. 330 00:17:20,832 --> 00:17:22,709 So my heart goes out to you for that. 331 00:17:22,793 --> 00:17:24,044 -Thank you. -[Tyler] Yeah. 332 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:25,629 I'm gonna scribble. 333 00:17:25,712 --> 00:17:28,673 I'm gonna reconnect to this, gonna put my emotions to the side here, 334 00:17:28,757 --> 00:17:32,010 and just delve in and see what else we get here, so. 335 00:17:32,094 --> 00:17:35,347 But I, I love the joyfulness that comes through with them. 336 00:17:35,972 --> 00:17:38,308 The thing that comes through, they are having me acknowledge 337 00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:40,727 three separate forms of being honored. 338 00:17:40,811 --> 00:17:42,062 -Yeah. -Three separate. 339 00:17:42,145 --> 00:17:44,523 -Are you aware of that? Love that. -[Carie] Yes. 340 00:17:44,606 --> 00:17:47,692 -In the way it comes through. -About three-and-a-half years ago. 341 00:17:47,776 --> 00:17:50,904 There has been an event every year to celebrate them. 342 00:17:50,987 --> 00:17:54,241 I love that. Associated with this, there's something very special 343 00:17:54,324 --> 00:17:58,161 about honoring their names in a much bigger way. 344 00:17:58,245 --> 00:18:01,998 Think of this as something that would be more attributed to a place. 345 00:18:02,082 --> 00:18:04,960 I'm seeing it in like a plaque kind of representation 346 00:18:05,043 --> 00:18:07,254 and a feeling of excitement around this. 347 00:18:07,337 --> 00:18:08,713 There are a few plaques… 348 00:18:08,797 --> 00:18:10,674 -[Tyler] Cool. -…already in existence. 349 00:18:11,633 --> 00:18:14,136 -More like a memorial, I would say. -[Tyler] Right. 350 00:18:14,219 --> 00:18:18,890 One of the memorials, I had them print one of my daughter's poems on it. 351 00:18:18,974 --> 00:18:19,850 [Tyler] I love that. 352 00:18:21,143 --> 00:18:25,605 One of the big messages that comes through is wanting there to be release of guilt 353 00:18:25,689 --> 00:18:30,360 as to why they would have been there. I get the symbol of letting something go. 354 00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:34,239 It's always their way of not wanting to have someone hold on 355 00:18:34,322 --> 00:18:36,199 to the coulda, shoulda, woulda. 356 00:18:36,283 --> 00:18:39,369 What if I'd done something differently? Very much this feeling of, 357 00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:40,829 "Mom, it's okay." 358 00:18:42,914 --> 00:18:45,834 [Carie] Tyler has opened doors for me today 359 00:18:45,917 --> 00:18:50,839 that I didn't think were available to me. 360 00:18:53,216 --> 00:18:55,260 To be sitting in this creek, 361 00:18:55,343 --> 00:18:58,847 and feel a sense of 362 00:18:58,930 --> 00:19:01,808 happiness and joy, 363 00:19:01,892 --> 00:19:04,102 is nothing I ever thought I would feel. 364 00:19:06,438 --> 00:19:10,317 To be able to find some joy in tragedy 365 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,653 is always something that I'm personally looking for. 366 00:19:14,154 --> 00:19:15,864 I want to love this place again. 367 00:19:15,947 --> 00:19:18,992 I want to love this creek again, and Tyler gave me that gift. 368 00:19:19,075 --> 00:19:21,077 [exhilarating music playing] 369 00:19:33,715 --> 00:19:36,009 [Tyler] So we're going to Laguna Beach? 370 00:19:36,092 --> 00:19:37,260 [Theresa] Along the coastline. 371 00:19:37,344 --> 00:19:41,223 Which should be really beautiful, once you meet with Laurie Campbell today. 372 00:19:41,306 --> 00:19:44,392 It will be really interesting to meet another medium. 373 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:47,520 I have been read by a medium before. Quite a few. 374 00:19:47,604 --> 00:19:50,398 I've had varying experiences of validity. 375 00:19:50,482 --> 00:19:53,068 Some have been extraordinary. Others have been mundane. 376 00:19:53,151 --> 00:19:55,153 It's finding the one that works for you. 377 00:19:56,655 --> 00:19:59,866 -[Tyler] Interesting to see what she gets. -I'm excited. I can't even tell you. 378 00:19:59,950 --> 00:20:03,119 I kept looking at my clock. "Is it time to get up yet?" 379 00:20:04,371 --> 00:20:06,748 Is that how people feel when they're gonna meet you? 380 00:20:06,831 --> 00:20:09,876 -Weird having the tables turned on me. -[Theresa] Yeah. 381 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,045 [Tyler] I'm so connected to my family's story, 382 00:20:12,128 --> 00:20:14,339 in the sense that it runs through my veins. 383 00:20:14,422 --> 00:20:17,050 So I have implicit bias, 384 00:20:17,133 --> 00:20:19,678 which impedes me from being able to connect intuitively. 385 00:20:19,761 --> 00:20:22,889 Getting read by a medium will mean that information could come through 386 00:20:22,973 --> 00:20:25,433 from someone detached from myself, 387 00:20:25,517 --> 00:20:28,395 who might be able to give me the answers I'm looking for. 388 00:20:34,025 --> 00:20:36,361 -[Theresa] How beautiful this is. -[Tyler] Yes. 389 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:38,780 -[Laurie] You guys wanna have a seat? -Yeah. We can do it. 390 00:20:38,863 --> 00:20:39,906 [Theresa] We're excited. 391 00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:43,326 No, you! I'm, like, sitting here going like… [screams] 392 00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:46,496 When I turned, it's like I heard you. I was like, "My God. They're here!" 393 00:20:46,579 --> 00:20:47,998 [Tyler] I trust Laurie Campbell. 394 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:51,918 Going to her, my hope is she will give insight into this family mystery. 395 00:20:52,002 --> 00:20:54,963 She's one of the few I would trust with such a sensitive thing. 396 00:20:55,547 --> 00:20:57,340 I think the likelihood is very high 397 00:20:57,424 --> 00:20:59,426 that she'll provide answers to the questions we have. 398 00:21:00,010 --> 00:21:01,052 Um… 399 00:21:01,136 --> 00:21:05,932 Prior to your visit, I was able to make some notes of things coming through. 400 00:21:06,016 --> 00:21:09,352 They kept talking about health. Health was the first thing I got with you. 401 00:21:09,436 --> 00:21:13,189 And when I look at the heart, it's like a palpitation. 402 00:21:13,273 --> 00:21:14,733 Any palpitations? 403 00:21:14,816 --> 00:21:16,693 I had a underdeveloped heart when I was born 404 00:21:16,776 --> 00:21:18,987 I've had palpitations throughout my life. 405 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:22,157 Well, it's interesting. Your lungs felt more like, um, 406 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,660 somebody who has had either bronchitis, pneumonia or an asthma. 407 00:21:25,744 --> 00:21:28,830 Yeah. My lungs are covered with these things called blebs. 408 00:21:29,414 --> 00:21:32,042 When they pop, they cause collapsed lungs. 409 00:21:32,125 --> 00:21:33,793 So I've had surgery for it. 410 00:21:33,877 --> 00:21:36,171 -Collapsed lung. -There's a risk of reoccurrence. 411 00:21:36,254 --> 00:21:38,631 Something for the rest of my life I'm gonna have to deal with. 412 00:21:38,715 --> 00:21:40,216 -That you're very aware of. -Vigilant. 413 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:43,219 You have doctors for. You just need to be careful with that. 414 00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:45,096 -Thank you. -Interesting. Yeah. 415 00:21:49,434 --> 00:21:52,145 [Laurie] I get a lot of… I always comb strange details. 416 00:21:52,228 --> 00:21:55,732 I wrote down a few names. You don't recognize them, it's fine. 417 00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:58,151 What I wrote down was Joseph. 418 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:01,571 I didn't know if it's Joe or Joseph. 419 00:22:02,072 --> 00:22:06,493 My mom's side of the family. Her father's name, we believe, is Joseph. 420 00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:10,080 I'm hoping Laurie can get me insight 421 00:22:10,163 --> 00:22:12,624 into the emotions behind what happened to my mom. 422 00:22:12,707 --> 00:22:16,711 For the other side of it, I contacted an investigative genealogist. 423 00:22:17,212 --> 00:22:20,298 She's an expert in DNA analysis and family tracing. 424 00:22:20,382 --> 00:22:23,468 If anyone can track down the missing pieces, it's her. 425 00:22:23,551 --> 00:22:27,472 Well, you guys definitely gave me a challenge. 426 00:22:27,555 --> 00:22:32,811 It initially appeared as though Joe Cowart was your biological father 427 00:22:32,894 --> 00:22:34,562 because your DNA. 428 00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:37,482 And Joe Cowart is deceased. 429 00:22:37,565 --> 00:22:39,818 So I don't want to say something, 430 00:22:39,901 --> 00:22:41,986 and then turn around, and it's wrong. 431 00:22:42,654 --> 00:22:45,949 After working the DNA extensively, 432 00:22:46,032 --> 00:22:49,160 Joe Cowart is absolutely your birth father. 433 00:22:49,244 --> 00:22:50,412 Wow, okay. 434 00:22:50,495 --> 00:22:53,706 I tried to find out as much as I could about Joe. 435 00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:54,749 -His life. -Thank you. 436 00:22:54,833 --> 00:23:00,088 What I was told about Joe is that he was a redheaded guy. 437 00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:03,550 I know that he was in the military. 438 00:23:03,633 --> 00:23:06,469 -He served, I believe, in two wars. -Wow. 439 00:23:06,553 --> 00:23:09,472 [Pamela] He lived by himself. 440 00:23:09,556 --> 00:23:13,017 He would get his meals from the church. He would go and eat. 441 00:23:13,101 --> 00:23:16,646 -So he was living a subdued, quiet life. -Right. 442 00:23:16,729 --> 00:23:21,526 And actually the way that they, you know, realized something was wrong 443 00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:24,195 was he stopped going to the church for a week. 444 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:28,116 And they actually had the fire department break into his house 445 00:23:28,199 --> 00:23:30,702 and found that he had passed away. 446 00:23:30,785 --> 00:23:32,537 Interesting. I didn't know that. 447 00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:33,955 -That's amazing. -Wow. 448 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,208 I would've never known. Thank you. 449 00:23:37,292 --> 00:23:42,922 You're welcome. I think your top DNA match Debbie thinks that she has some photos. 450 00:23:43,006 --> 00:23:44,841 She's going to look for those. 451 00:23:44,924 --> 00:23:47,302 And then we have cousin Bruce, 452 00:23:47,385 --> 00:23:50,221 who's a first cousin, who was adorable. 453 00:23:50,305 --> 00:23:53,475 He was like, "If I got another cousin, I want to know about it." 454 00:23:53,558 --> 00:23:54,517 "Have her call me." 455 00:23:54,601 --> 00:23:55,977 -So he was-- -Thank you. 456 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:58,688 He was really… I've got to be honest. He was excited. 457 00:23:58,771 --> 00:24:00,148 He was excited. 458 00:24:00,231 --> 00:24:01,441 -Makes me happy. -Sweet. 459 00:24:01,524 --> 00:24:02,817 [Pamela] Does it? Yeah. 460 00:24:02,901 --> 00:24:04,944 [Theresa] It's nice to feel wanted. 461 00:24:05,028 --> 00:24:08,948 And it's nice to feel the endearingness that you're telling me about. 462 00:24:09,032 --> 00:24:10,074 Look, I mean this… 463 00:24:10,158 --> 00:24:12,118 These are your blood relatives. 464 00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:14,996 So it would be really cool for you to get to know them. 465 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:15,914 Yes. 466 00:24:16,831 --> 00:24:18,541 [Tyler] But I did bring an object. 467 00:24:18,625 --> 00:24:20,919 You can hold on to it. You don't have to. 468 00:24:21,544 --> 00:24:23,004 [Laurie] It's wonderful. 469 00:24:28,551 --> 00:24:31,221 I saw, like, a nurse right away. Um… 470 00:24:31,304 --> 00:24:32,805 [uneasy music playing] 471 00:24:35,266 --> 00:24:37,644 With your, um, biological mother, 472 00:24:37,727 --> 00:24:40,688 why would it be like you were taken out of her arms? 473 00:24:40,772 --> 00:24:42,815 Because I was. At the hospital. 474 00:24:42,899 --> 00:24:44,984 -The lady who took me from my mother. -Who? 475 00:24:45,068 --> 00:24:46,069 Her name is Stella. 476 00:24:46,152 --> 00:24:48,488 Okay. 'Cause that's just like, "Oh man." 477 00:24:49,989 --> 00:24:52,242 Did she ever lock you guys in a closet? 478 00:24:52,325 --> 00:24:55,119 -She did everything. -[Laurie] Or in a room, not let you out? 479 00:24:55,203 --> 00:24:56,746 I feel dirty. I feel squalor. 480 00:24:56,829 --> 00:24:59,916 -I feel just being left inside. -[Theresa] Yes. 481 00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:04,170 I feel like when a child is extremely lonely and just cut off. 482 00:25:04,254 --> 00:25:05,421 That's how it feels. 483 00:25:05,505 --> 00:25:11,761 So, um, one of the children that this woman raised was locked in the closet. 484 00:25:13,638 --> 00:25:17,517 Was one of the children a different ethnic background than you? 485 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,935 -Yes. -[Laurie] Okay. 486 00:25:19,018 --> 00:25:21,479 I wanted to ask about the original birth certificate. 487 00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:24,691 -I know we had difficulty obtaining that. -Yes. 488 00:25:24,774 --> 00:25:26,859 Did we make any strides there or is it-- 489 00:25:26,943 --> 00:25:29,988 If you look at the filing dates, and you look at everything, 490 00:25:30,071 --> 00:25:33,199 it looks like that is the original birth certificate. 491 00:25:33,283 --> 00:25:36,369 I believe Mary filled it out, and she put down the address. 492 00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:37,954 I think it was Felicia Street. 493 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:40,248 -Felicity Street. Yeah. -[Pamela] Felicity Street. 494 00:25:40,331 --> 00:25:42,875 And you know, when I saw that, I was like, 495 00:25:42,959 --> 00:25:46,879 "You could see when it came to Stella." 496 00:25:46,963 --> 00:25:49,674 Stella is the mother. Where was she born? "Unknown." 497 00:25:49,757 --> 00:25:51,593 How do you not know where you were born? 498 00:25:51,676 --> 00:25:52,594 -[Tyler] Right. -Right. 499 00:25:54,387 --> 00:25:57,098 I feel like the person that took you, 500 00:25:57,181 --> 00:25:58,516 I think she's a con woman. 501 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,270 And so your mother and your grandma just thought 502 00:26:02,353 --> 00:26:05,607 that the lady was taking the baby back to the nursery. 503 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:09,027 But this is what I wanna, um, say about that. 504 00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:14,157 There's something when somebody has a child, and it's not wanted, 505 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,950 and they just discard. 506 00:26:16,034 --> 00:26:19,287 There is another thing to when somebody has a child, 507 00:26:19,954 --> 00:26:22,665 and there's really great affection and love there, 508 00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:25,084 but they're not able to keep that child. 509 00:26:25,168 --> 00:26:27,295 You came from not the first one. 510 00:26:27,378 --> 00:26:28,630 You came from the second. 511 00:26:28,713 --> 00:26:30,840 When somebody loves you deeply. 512 00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:34,177 But they cannot care or cannot keep you. 513 00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:36,554 Sometimes we have to let go out of love. 514 00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:40,141 Not because we want to, but because we have to. 515 00:26:41,684 --> 00:26:44,812 Now it's about the new journey that's gonna begin for you. 516 00:26:44,896 --> 00:26:45,938 Yeah. 517 00:26:46,022 --> 00:26:47,565 -[Theresa] Wow. -That was a trip. 518 00:26:47,649 --> 00:26:49,233 [Theresa] That was wild, Tyler. 519 00:26:49,317 --> 00:26:50,943 Having the tables turned on me. 520 00:26:51,027 --> 00:26:53,571 -My gosh. What a gift we were given. -I know. 521 00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:56,991 What surprised me the most was that she, you kn-- 522 00:26:57,075 --> 00:27:01,371 She knew that my mother gave me away because she did it out of love. 523 00:27:01,454 --> 00:27:03,373 It wasn't because she didn't love me. 524 00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:05,541 And that she wanted what was best for me. 525 00:27:06,292 --> 00:27:08,169 And that's, that's… 526 00:27:08,753 --> 00:27:10,672 [voice breaks] …healing. It's healing. 527 00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:12,340 Yeah. It is. 528 00:27:24,018 --> 00:27:25,269 [buzzing] 529 00:27:28,564 --> 00:27:29,440 Go get it. 530 00:27:31,567 --> 00:27:33,986 [chuckles] I'm a huge fan of Tyler's. 531 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:37,699 I decided to write into his website because someone had just passed away, 532 00:27:37,782 --> 00:27:40,660 and I wanted to find a way to connect with him. 533 00:27:42,704 --> 00:27:44,580 -Hi, Tyler. -Hi. [chuckles] 534 00:27:45,248 --> 00:27:46,541 [woman] This is Penelope. 535 00:27:46,624 --> 00:27:48,501 [Tyler] Oh, hi, Penelope. 536 00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:49,585 Hey. 537 00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:52,088 Oh, hey little baby. 538 00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:55,049 -How's it going? Lovely to meet you. -Nice to meet you. 539 00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:56,718 Good to meet you. Thank you for having me. 540 00:27:56,801 --> 00:27:57,760 Yeah. Thank you. 541 00:27:57,844 --> 00:27:59,470 [Tyler] This is really cool. 542 00:28:00,471 --> 00:28:02,306 I'm gonna get a little snuggle in. 543 00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:04,642 Then we're gonna start the reading. 544 00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:06,018 -All right. -Oh. 545 00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:07,770 [chuckles] Oh, what a cutie. 546 00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:10,481 [pen scribbles] 547 00:28:12,066 --> 00:28:14,444 [gentle music playing] 548 00:28:14,527 --> 00:28:16,738 Precious. [chuckles] 549 00:28:19,574 --> 00:28:21,909 Okay. You, you, you. 550 00:28:21,993 --> 00:28:24,704 It's kind of interesting, in the way this comes across. 551 00:28:25,288 --> 00:28:28,958 I feel like I have to talk about somebody who lost a pet. [laughs] 552 00:28:29,041 --> 00:28:31,085 I keep getting acknowledgments of, like, 553 00:28:31,169 --> 00:28:34,672 I was getting this childlike energy, but then I was like, "This is an animal." 554 00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:36,507 -I'm gonna keep that in mind. -Okay. 555 00:28:36,591 --> 00:28:37,633 [panting] 556 00:28:38,426 --> 00:28:39,927 I mean, I will say this. 557 00:28:40,011 --> 00:28:42,597 Animals come through in readings sometimes, but, uh… 558 00:28:43,556 --> 00:28:45,266 not to this extent. 559 00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:47,435 -So it's very intense. -Yes. 560 00:28:47,518 --> 00:28:49,312 [Tyler] In the way it comes across. 561 00:28:50,104 --> 00:28:52,565 -Definitely have a feeling of a pet. -[woman] Yep. 562 00:28:53,691 --> 00:28:55,568 There's a tragic feeling around that. 563 00:28:57,862 --> 00:29:01,073 That's interesting. So I'm gonna put that to the side. 564 00:29:02,116 --> 00:29:03,284 [pen scribbles] 565 00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:08,831 Okay. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. There, there, there. 566 00:29:10,416 --> 00:29:13,169 There's a contemporary reference that comes through. 567 00:29:13,252 --> 00:29:15,880 -Yes. -[Tyler] Um, a friend, a partner. 568 00:29:15,963 --> 00:29:17,632 -[woman] Yes. -That kind of vibe. 569 00:29:17,715 --> 00:29:19,842 -That comes through. Make sense? -Yes. 570 00:29:19,926 --> 00:29:21,135 [pen scribbles] 571 00:29:21,219 --> 00:29:22,386 [Tyler] Huh. 572 00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:25,181 They're having me joke about misspelling your name. 573 00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:26,849 This is weird, I know. 574 00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:30,436 I don't know why, but it's very specific. Like, it's not "J." It's "Y." 575 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,396 How do you spell your name? 576 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,565 -Y-A-S-M-I-N-E. -[Tyler] Okay. 577 00:29:34,649 --> 00:29:38,736 -There's a funniness around that. -Okay. If this is who I think it is… 578 00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:41,781 It's… He would make jokes with my name. 579 00:29:41,864 --> 00:29:45,785 Like, he would be like, "Jasmine or Yaz or whatever." 580 00:29:45,868 --> 00:29:48,246 -It's like I have to make fun of it. -[Yasmine] Funny guy. 581 00:29:48,329 --> 00:29:51,290 It's interesting in the way it comes across. It's silly. 582 00:29:51,374 --> 00:29:52,416 [laughing] 583 00:29:53,584 --> 00:29:56,546 Then there is a feeling of excitement from this individual. 584 00:29:56,629 --> 00:29:57,505 I feel excited. 585 00:29:58,089 --> 00:30:00,508 -Comes across as a character. -[Yasmine] He is a character. 586 00:30:00,591 --> 00:30:01,801 [Tyler] Definitely a character. 587 00:30:01,884 --> 00:30:05,012 He's showing me a lot of random things that I wasn't aware of. 588 00:30:05,096 --> 00:30:08,182 Like people eating Hot Cheetos out of a bag. 589 00:30:08,266 --> 00:30:10,351 -Really weird random things. -Oh my gosh. 590 00:30:10,434 --> 00:30:12,854 [Tyler] Joking about that. When your fingers get gross. 591 00:30:12,937 --> 00:30:15,731 -With the red, but I'm like… [chuckles] -[Yasmine] Yes. 592 00:30:15,815 --> 00:30:18,192 -So, we… -[Tyler chuckles] 593 00:30:18,276 --> 00:30:22,405 I guess in high school, I ate a lot of junk food. 594 00:30:22,488 --> 00:30:24,156 [both laugh] 595 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,992 So, I don't know. 596 00:30:26,075 --> 00:30:31,080 We have this ongoing joke about just red fingers and Hot Cheetos. 597 00:30:31,163 --> 00:30:32,748 -[Tyler] It was random. -Yeah. 598 00:30:32,832 --> 00:30:36,335 It's funny 'cause I'm talking about residue on my hands. I'm like… 599 00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:38,504 -Working through it. Random. -That's him. 600 00:30:38,588 --> 00:30:40,006 [Tyler] That is funny. 601 00:30:40,089 --> 00:30:45,303 [Yasmine] I was… I think 13 when I met David. 602 00:30:45,386 --> 00:30:48,556 I don't think I had a choice. He would start making fun of me. 603 00:30:48,639 --> 00:30:51,017 Like, he was very playful and, like, 604 00:30:51,976 --> 00:30:53,853 would just tease me all the time. 605 00:30:53,936 --> 00:30:57,023 Just a big brother, like, we just were super close. 606 00:30:57,106 --> 00:31:00,318 [Tyler] He's happy you're here. [chuckles] I can tell that. 607 00:31:00,902 --> 00:31:03,571 I'm trying to figure out what happened. Because, um… 608 00:31:03,654 --> 00:31:04,530 [Yasmine] Mm-hmm. 609 00:31:04,614 --> 00:31:07,825 [Tyler] It's just a weird thing. It's a weird situation. 610 00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:10,953 I basically feel like, I… He's not showing any pain when he passed. 611 00:31:11,037 --> 00:31:13,080 Like I'm here, and then I'm gone. Um… 612 00:31:13,164 --> 00:31:16,876 He showed me the symbology of, like, closing my eyes and passing away. 613 00:31:16,959 --> 00:31:20,046 -That's really weird. I don't… Yeah. -Yeah, it was very quick. 614 00:31:20,546 --> 00:31:26,677 He had smoked a joint of weed that had fentanyl in it. 615 00:31:26,761 --> 00:31:29,388 And I believe that is what killed him instantly. 616 00:31:29,472 --> 00:31:30,431 [Tyler] That would fit. 617 00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:32,308 Thank you for sharing. 618 00:31:32,391 --> 00:31:34,393 -Somebody who was not suicidal. -No. 619 00:31:34,477 --> 00:31:38,147 [Tyler] Very much excited for life. And then just passes. 620 00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:40,483 I think there's going to be awareness around that, 621 00:31:40,566 --> 00:31:42,276 and the possibility it can happen, 622 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,030 that I think people around him will endorse or support to say, 623 00:31:46,113 --> 00:31:48,824 "Hey, let's make sure we know what we're ingesting." 624 00:31:48,908 --> 00:31:50,534 That kind of thing. 625 00:31:50,618 --> 00:31:54,497 -Overall, he's okay and at peace, and…? -Yeah, all good. 626 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:55,665 Comes through all good. 627 00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:58,876 Okay. 628 00:32:00,461 --> 00:32:04,340 Gonna put him to the side really quick because I have other stuff coming in. 629 00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:07,385 Okay, this now. 630 00:32:07,969 --> 00:32:09,512 Keep going back to the pet thing. 631 00:32:09,595 --> 00:32:11,222 -[laughs] Um… -Mm-hmm. 632 00:32:11,847 --> 00:32:15,851 What's interesting is that little one might notice this little one, 633 00:32:15,935 --> 00:32:17,645 in the way this comes across. 634 00:32:17,728 --> 00:32:21,440 This is good to keep in mind. They are making a distinct connection. 635 00:32:21,524 --> 00:32:23,484 -Mm-hmm. -[Tyler] It's strange. 636 00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:25,987 That little one might either… 637 00:32:26,821 --> 00:32:29,615 like do the same things or have similarities. 638 00:32:29,699 --> 00:32:33,202 They're bringing this distinct feeling of, like, similar, in some way. 639 00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:37,707 Um, so it's actually interesting even in where the animal might lay down, 640 00:32:37,790 --> 00:32:40,167 or have an affinity for laying or sitting. 641 00:32:40,251 --> 00:32:41,961 There's a parallel being drawn there. 642 00:32:42,044 --> 00:32:43,254 Yep. Exactly. 643 00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:45,673 -[Tyler] You've noticed this before? -Totally noticed. 644 00:32:45,756 --> 00:32:49,343 Gotcha. 'Cause it does feel like it's something almost sweet. 645 00:32:49,427 --> 00:32:51,345 -In the way it comes across. -Yeah. 646 00:32:51,929 --> 00:32:54,515 [Tyler] I'll ask you point-blank. Who's this connected to? 647 00:32:54,598 --> 00:32:57,143 -My dog who passed away. -[Tyler] Yes. 648 00:32:58,811 --> 00:33:02,565 [Yasmine] His name was Astro. And he was the love of my life. 649 00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:04,025 [Tyler] Yes. Yes, yes. 650 00:33:04,108 --> 00:33:06,027 Okay, I've done now hundreds of these. 651 00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:08,529 I've never had a pet come through as the first thing. 652 00:33:08,612 --> 00:33:11,866 [laughs] I'm focusing on people who were human in life. 653 00:33:11,949 --> 00:33:14,035 -Yeah. -But this is very much a big thing. 654 00:33:14,118 --> 00:33:16,037 -Very big -I just want you to know today. 655 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,330 It's important that that comes through. 656 00:33:18,414 --> 00:33:20,041 -About the pet. -Yeah. 657 00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:25,671 Well, I will say with this little one, and I do have to bring up… 658 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,427 There's something here with this one where I feel like if they hadn't passed 659 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:32,970 of what they passed of, 660 00:33:33,471 --> 00:33:36,223 there's something else, medically, that comes up for me. 661 00:33:36,307 --> 00:33:38,726 A susceptibility that this animal would have had. 662 00:33:38,809 --> 00:33:41,729 That could have transitioned it anyway. 663 00:33:43,314 --> 00:33:49,361 We were aware, or we had this issue with him and his breathing. 664 00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:53,407 We noticed that he would want to play, play, play, 665 00:33:53,491 --> 00:33:55,618 just normal, puppy behavior. 666 00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:59,580 And we'd have to take toys away 'cause he'd get so worked up. 667 00:33:59,663 --> 00:34:01,040 So out of breath. 668 00:34:01,123 --> 00:34:04,668 -We'd isolate him without his toys. -[Tyler] Right. 669 00:34:05,252 --> 00:34:07,546 That was why we decided to, like, 670 00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:11,801 see what our options were, as far as getting that fixed for him. 671 00:34:11,884 --> 00:34:15,429 -[Tyler] Sure.  -And he was in surgery… 672 00:34:15,513 --> 00:34:16,764 -Right. -…when he passed. 673 00:34:16,847 --> 00:34:18,390 -Yeah. -And… 674 00:34:18,474 --> 00:34:21,602 It seems like the secondary thing just came out of nowhere. 675 00:34:21,685 --> 00:34:22,937 -Yeah. -It's interesting. 676 00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:27,566 Don't feel like they would've been able to live long with that initial thing anyway. 677 00:34:27,650 --> 00:34:30,069 I feel like part of the message here is, like, 678 00:34:30,152 --> 00:34:34,740 despite how tragic that was, and horrific in the sense of the timing, 679 00:34:34,824 --> 00:34:37,576 this animal was already on the decline of its life. 680 00:34:37,660 --> 00:34:40,871 And we were very aware of that. 681 00:34:40,955 --> 00:34:44,125 And we kind of were just like, "What do we do?" 682 00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:46,710 -Yeah. Yeah. -And that validates that, for sure. 683 00:34:46,794 --> 00:34:48,629 It's an interesting and sad thing. 684 00:34:48,712 --> 00:34:51,340 We do things trying to help our animals but… 685 00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:54,176 Nature sometimes, it just goes that direction, 686 00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:56,428 but I get very much a sense of peace. 687 00:34:57,596 --> 00:35:01,100 [Yasmine] This loss was very hard on me because I felt so attached to him, 688 00:35:01,183 --> 00:35:04,687 and he was like more of, like, a son than like a dog. 689 00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:06,522 He was like my kid. 690 00:35:08,232 --> 00:35:09,942 -Of course. -[Yasmine] Thank you. 691 00:35:10,025 --> 00:35:12,111 Tyler, this was amazing. 692 00:35:12,194 --> 00:35:15,156 I am so glad we got to talk, and it's been a beautiful day. 693 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,449 It's been an experience of a lifetime. 694 00:35:17,533 --> 00:35:20,536 I'm very grateful that you share this gift with everyone. 695 00:35:20,619 --> 00:35:22,246 [Tyler] I wouldn't have missed it. 696 00:35:22,329 --> 00:35:24,623 -Take care. Lovely to meet you. -Nice to meet you. 697 00:35:31,338 --> 00:35:34,258 [Tyler] Nanci! Hey! 698 00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:36,218 Aw! 699 00:35:36,302 --> 00:35:40,264 I believe that anything with sentience has the ability to come through. 700 00:35:40,347 --> 00:35:43,267 In readings, when I refer to animals that have passed, 701 00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:46,312 it's not that the dog is coming through barking necessarily, 702 00:35:46,395 --> 00:35:50,816 as much as the essence that once embodied that animal is continued. 703 00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:56,363 So in readings, while I tend to connect to the souls or the essence of something 704 00:35:56,447 --> 00:35:58,699 that occupied a human body, sometimes the same will happen 705 00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:00,618 for things that occupied an animal body. 706 00:36:00,701 --> 00:36:03,662 It's really not that different. We are part of the animal kingdom. 707 00:36:03,746 --> 00:36:08,500 I swear, I think pets get more separated, or more attached when they're separated. 708 00:36:08,584 --> 00:36:09,835 -[Clint] Yeah. -Right. 709 00:36:11,212 --> 00:36:14,590 [Clint] And also when you spend a lot of time with them, like, one-on-one. 710 00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:17,593 She's gotten a lot more attached to me while you were gone. 711 00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:19,261 Has she been more well behaved? 712 00:36:19,345 --> 00:36:21,222 -[Clint] No. Absolutely not. -[laughs] 713 00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:25,517 Not surprised. All right, missus. Oh! 714 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:28,520 [laughs] You're big on the hugs. 715 00:36:29,021 --> 00:36:31,023 -[Clint] She loves hugs. -[kisses] 716 00:36:33,067 --> 00:36:34,777 [vibrant music playing] 717 00:36:45,913 --> 00:36:49,250 We are, looks like only a couple minutes away from the Tea Room. 718 00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:51,252 I used to do so many readings there. 719 00:36:51,335 --> 00:36:55,297 -In the alley. Yeah. -[Heather] You mentioned that before. 720 00:36:55,381 --> 00:36:58,550 [Tyler] While in Hanford, I'm gonna meet with the owners of the tea shop 721 00:36:58,634 --> 00:36:59,969 where I used to do readings. 722 00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:02,721 I promised Steve and Arianne a reading years ago, 723 00:37:02,805 --> 00:37:06,809 and unfortunately, went to LA before I got the chance to fulfill that promise. 724 00:37:07,393 --> 00:37:08,769 So I'm back. 725 00:37:08,852 --> 00:37:11,814 -Hi, Tyler! -Hey, Tyler! [laughs] 726 00:37:11,897 --> 00:37:15,317 Last time I saw them, I was a teenager. [laughs] It's bizarre. 727 00:37:15,401 --> 00:37:17,820 -[Arianne] We'll go look at the alley. -[Steve] China Alley. 728 00:37:17,903 --> 00:37:19,530 -[Tyler] Amazing. -Oh, I love it. 729 00:37:19,613 --> 00:37:20,990 [Tyler] From the ages of 16 to 18, 730 00:37:21,073 --> 00:37:24,118 I was doing readings out of the L.T. Sue Tea Room. 731 00:37:24,201 --> 00:37:26,787 [Arianne] The Imperial Dynasty Cocktail Lounge. 732 00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:29,707 -[Heather] Oh wow. -It's so beautiful. So ornate. 733 00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:32,668 I'd meet with upwards of eight clients a day there. 734 00:37:32,751 --> 00:37:35,504 I was spending my full day in China Alley. 735 00:37:37,423 --> 00:37:39,925 I would've never thought I'd be where I am today. 736 00:37:40,009 --> 00:37:43,762 Going back, I, for a long time, thought I would spend my whole life there. 737 00:37:43,846 --> 00:37:46,473 -[Arianne] Wanna see your favorite booth? -[Tyler] I'd love to. 738 00:37:46,557 --> 00:37:49,435 -I would alternate between them. -These were the booths? 739 00:37:49,518 --> 00:37:53,022 Here people started noticing me more. I preferred the one in the alley. 740 00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:55,524 People would come in, like, "I want a reading." 741 00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:56,525 Then I'd be like… 742 00:37:56,608 --> 00:38:00,487 He would get so interrupted all the time because he was our local celebrity. 743 00:38:00,571 --> 00:38:01,947 -You're sweet. -Yes! 744 00:38:02,531 --> 00:38:05,492 [Tyler] I have this today. What you'll see is me scribble. 745 00:38:05,576 --> 00:38:07,036 It's just how I tune in. 746 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:08,078 We remember. 747 00:38:08,162 --> 00:38:09,621 -Yeah! -Scribble, scribble. 748 00:38:09,705 --> 00:38:12,166 People would walk in. They'd be like, "What's he doing?" 749 00:38:12,249 --> 00:38:14,084 "Sketching people?" Then they'd cry, 750 00:38:14,168 --> 00:38:16,253 so they knew it wasn't that. 751 00:38:16,337 --> 00:38:18,630 But, yes. So I'm gonna scribble. 752 00:38:18,714 --> 00:38:21,383 And we will see. Just give me one sec. 753 00:38:22,968 --> 00:38:23,886 Okay. 754 00:38:27,014 --> 00:38:29,683 There's a mother figure coming in. Is your mom passed? 755 00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:33,812 Yeah. I'm getting a lot of imagery around excitement. 756 00:38:33,896 --> 00:38:36,565 The feeling of joy, but a feeling of compiling. 757 00:38:36,648 --> 00:38:38,150 Like I'm compiling notes. 758 00:38:38,233 --> 00:38:41,737 I think she saved things where we're like, "What in the world?" 759 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:43,072 So let me describe this 760 00:38:43,155 --> 00:38:46,700 because I'm sure there's a lot of valuable documents, valuable stories, 761 00:38:46,784 --> 00:38:48,619 but you're gonna find stuff, like, 762 00:38:48,702 --> 00:38:51,288 "Ma'am, why do we have this from 40 years ago?" 763 00:38:51,372 --> 00:38:52,456 It's a newspaper. 764 00:38:52,539 --> 00:38:55,292 -What was the significance-- -She just died two months ago. 765 00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:58,087 -I'm sorry. It was recently. Yeah. -[Arianne] It was a… 766 00:38:58,170 --> 00:39:01,382 And I've been going through her stuff to… 767 00:39:01,465 --> 00:39:05,469 She didn't have a computer, so everything's like that. 768 00:39:05,552 --> 00:39:07,930 -Right. I believe it. -[Arianne] And, um… 769 00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:10,766 I'm trying to decipher all of her things, 770 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:12,851 and it's like, why was this important to you? 771 00:39:12,935 --> 00:39:14,728 Then there are some artifacts 772 00:39:14,812 --> 00:39:18,899 that I'm going to be donating to the Taoist Temple Museum. 773 00:39:18,982 --> 00:39:21,151 -Amazing. -[Arianne] Because they belong there. 774 00:39:21,235 --> 00:39:23,404 Not in a box with Mom's stuff. 775 00:39:24,113 --> 00:39:26,782 My mother was one of the leading preservationists 776 00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:28,867 and docents of China Alley. 777 00:39:28,951 --> 00:39:31,912 She spent a lot of her hours working in the Temple Museum 778 00:39:31,995 --> 00:39:33,580 and giving tours. 779 00:39:33,664 --> 00:39:37,209 She would give a tour to anyone that wanted to take a look. 780 00:39:41,505 --> 00:39:43,590 -When we talk about the temple… -Mm-hmm. 781 00:39:43,674 --> 00:39:47,428 …there's an aspect that comes through. I'm trying to figure out if it's there. 782 00:39:47,511 --> 00:39:50,681 But there's gonna be a need for what looks like, um… 783 00:39:50,764 --> 00:39:53,851 Like a form of a remodeling situation, but it's only on one part. 784 00:39:54,435 --> 00:39:56,478 Have we had inspectors look at the building? 785 00:39:56,562 --> 00:40:00,399 -Make sure we're good there? -We have a staircase in the garden 786 00:40:00,482 --> 00:40:04,945 that needs to be repaired, and it's kinda… rotting. 787 00:40:05,028 --> 00:40:07,573 [laughs] Sagging. Doing all those things. 788 00:40:07,656 --> 00:40:10,868 -[Steve] And her mom-- -That was one of her last things. 789 00:40:10,951 --> 00:40:13,162 Was to make sure that gets taken care of. 790 00:40:13,245 --> 00:40:14,204 [Tyler] Yeah, yeah. 791 00:40:15,497 --> 00:40:18,083 It's also showing me avoiding anything fire-related. 792 00:40:18,167 --> 00:40:20,627 It's weird. Anything, like… [chuckles] 793 00:40:20,711 --> 00:40:21,753 That's strange. 794 00:40:21,837 --> 00:40:24,840 Seeing, like, "Avoid heat." I don't know what that is. 795 00:40:26,925 --> 00:40:30,387 Um, do you know of any significant house fires or any situations, 796 00:40:30,471 --> 00:40:34,224 were there any stories about a big fire that would have destroyed anything? 797 00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:36,143 Not really. 798 00:40:36,852 --> 00:40:38,103 Interesting, interesting. 799 00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:42,441 I don't know what this is. 800 00:40:42,524 --> 00:40:45,027 It keeps coming through. Does it ring any bells? 801 00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:46,403 [Steve] No, not offhand. 802 00:40:46,487 --> 00:40:48,655 -I'll probably figure it out. -[Tyler] Yeah. 803 00:40:48,739 --> 00:40:50,032 -Think of it. -[Tyler] No worries. 804 00:40:50,115 --> 00:40:53,118 I have to tell you, being here, it's cathartic for me. 805 00:40:53,202 --> 00:40:54,578 -It's special. -[Steve] Right. 806 00:40:54,661 --> 00:40:56,497 We fit right back where we left off. 807 00:40:56,580 --> 00:40:58,790 [Tyler] I know. It's so surreal. 808 00:40:58,874 --> 00:41:01,376 I can't thank you enough for your hospitality, 809 00:41:01,460 --> 00:41:04,004 but also you lent the opportunity for people to come in 810 00:41:04,087 --> 00:41:05,839 and have meaningful experiences. 811 00:41:05,923 --> 00:41:09,259 It was our pleasure. It was… meant a lot for us as well. 812 00:41:09,343 --> 00:41:11,261 Yeah. I'm really, really thankful. 813 00:41:18,769 --> 00:41:20,771 [uneasy music playing] 814 00:41:30,614 --> 00:41:32,032 [reporter] Unfortunately, the fire, 815 00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:34,743 which is believed to have started in the stairwell 816 00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:38,914 caused severe heat and smoke damage to the temple room on the second floor. 817 00:41:38,997 --> 00:41:40,791 Wing, who recently lost her mother, 818 00:41:40,874 --> 00:41:44,002 collapsed when she was allowed back inside on Thursday morning. 819 00:41:44,086 --> 00:41:47,381 I really fell to my knees in this crumpled heap. 820 00:41:51,885 --> 00:41:55,430 [somber music playing]