1 00:00:11,846 --> 00:00:14,098 -[Tyler] I think there's a Ruth. -[woman] Oh, yes. 2 00:00:14,182 --> 00:00:15,725 -[Tyler] Do you know who Ruth is? -Yes. 3 00:00:15,808 --> 00:00:16,768 [laughing] 4 00:00:16,851 --> 00:00:18,770 -Okay. You're very young. -Yes. 5 00:00:18,853 --> 00:00:22,982 [woman] So you might not know. But that's… This is who she is. 6 00:00:23,066 --> 00:00:25,276 -What? What? -Yes. 7 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:26,569 Are you kidding me? 8 00:00:26,652 --> 00:00:27,779 [laughing] 9 00:00:27,862 --> 00:00:28,988 Whoa. 10 00:00:29,655 --> 00:00:33,493 Bette Davis. I was always a fan of her over Joan Crawford. 11 00:00:33,576 --> 00:00:36,496 I will put that on the record now. She was my favorite. 12 00:00:36,579 --> 00:00:39,373 Well, she somehow brought me to you. 13 00:00:39,457 --> 00:00:40,291 Yeah. 14 00:00:40,833 --> 00:00:42,460 [vibrant music playing] 15 00:00:51,928 --> 00:00:54,514 I worked for her for ten years, up until she passed. 16 00:00:55,264 --> 00:00:58,559 Yeah, and then when she got the cancer, everything changed. 17 00:00:58,643 --> 00:01:00,436 She had cancer. She had a stroke. 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,566 So yeah, but in the end, she went in great glory. 19 00:01:05,650 --> 00:01:06,943 [Tyler] Wow. Absolutely. 20 00:01:07,026 --> 00:01:09,821 -Wow! -[woman] She was amazing. She still is. 21 00:01:09,904 --> 00:01:12,115 -I always… -[Tyler] Absolutely. She still is. 22 00:01:12,198 --> 00:01:14,826 The Ruth that came through, help me understand that. 23 00:01:14,909 --> 00:01:18,955 Bette Davis's full name is Ruth Elizabeth Davis. 24 00:01:19,038 --> 00:01:21,082 -[man] Quit it. Yes. -Now I'll show you one thing. 25 00:01:21,165 --> 00:01:23,501 I did not want to show this. He said, "No, no." 26 00:01:23,584 --> 00:01:26,796 -Yeah. Right. -Because if I showed it, you would know. 27 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:31,884 But… This… There was, years ago, a show called This Is Your Life. 28 00:01:31,968 --> 00:01:33,970 -Wow! -And this was hers. 29 00:01:34,053 --> 00:01:37,723 So this is Bette Davis with all her Oscar nominations. 30 00:01:37,807 --> 00:01:40,309 -[Tyler] Wow. Thank you. -Okay, you can look at it. 31 00:01:40,393 --> 00:01:42,728 Yes, this is when her birthday is. 32 00:01:42,812 --> 00:01:46,065 This is when she got married. That's when she had B.D. 33 00:01:46,149 --> 00:01:49,402 -[Tyler] Absolutely. -This was hers, and I thought, "Okay." 34 00:01:49,485 --> 00:01:50,611 "Come on in." [laughs] 35 00:01:50,695 --> 00:01:52,697 Wow. Well, she sure did! 36 00:01:53,281 --> 00:01:57,368 The things that came through today are to validate she is still in existence. 37 00:01:57,451 --> 00:02:00,329 -[woman] Oh yes. Big… -Still around. A strong personality, 38 00:02:00,413 --> 00:02:04,667 but she just kind of brought through a lot about her legacy, being remembered. 39 00:02:04,750 --> 00:02:06,377 -Yep. -[Tyler] In a big way. 40 00:02:06,460 --> 00:02:09,380 How we carry the torch moving forward with honoring her. 41 00:02:09,463 --> 00:02:12,758 It's interesting. When it comes to that, it's going to be on you. 42 00:02:12,842 --> 00:02:14,468 -[woman] It is. -[Tyler] It's weird to say. 43 00:02:14,552 --> 00:02:16,971 -Not a group effort. It's all you. -You are right on. 44 00:02:17,054 --> 00:02:18,848 -[Tyler] And in doing that-- -She's blessing. 45 00:02:18,931 --> 00:02:20,808 -[Tyler] Yes. -She's with me which I-- 46 00:02:20,892 --> 00:02:23,311 She wouldn't trust anybody except you to do this. 47 00:02:23,394 --> 00:02:24,979 -That's true. -[Tyler] You need to know. 48 00:02:25,062 --> 00:02:27,565 My takeaway from the message is, you're on the right track. 49 00:02:27,648 --> 00:02:31,527 The right people are going to be involved. It's gonna happen. You needed that. 50 00:02:31,611 --> 00:02:34,155 -I cannot thank you enough. -[Tyler] Of course. 51 00:02:34,238 --> 00:02:35,698 Oh my goodness! Absolutely. 52 00:02:35,781 --> 00:02:37,825 I'm still in shock. That's so cool. 53 00:02:37,909 --> 00:02:40,745 -What an honor for me. -[woman] I'm very grateful to you. 54 00:02:40,828 --> 00:02:43,873 -I knew… I didn't know why, but… -You were on point. 55 00:02:43,956 --> 00:02:45,958 -That's why we were shocked. -[woman] You were so on… 56 00:02:46,042 --> 00:02:47,752 I have been very doubtful. 57 00:02:47,835 --> 00:02:49,629 -Sure. Yeah. -[woman] Totally doubtful. 58 00:02:49,712 --> 00:02:52,089 And you gave me confirmation. 59 00:02:52,173 --> 00:02:53,758 -I'm so glad. -Thank you. 60 00:02:53,841 --> 00:02:57,470 That's amazing. I'm gonna carry this day with me for the rest of my life. 61 00:02:57,553 --> 00:02:59,430 I mean, that's so special. 62 00:02:59,513 --> 00:03:00,932 I'll see you all later. 63 00:03:01,015 --> 00:03:02,016 Bye, Tyler. 64 00:03:02,099 --> 00:03:03,142 -Thank you. -Bye. 65 00:03:03,226 --> 00:03:05,394 [laughing] Oh! 66 00:03:05,978 --> 00:03:07,230 Oh my gosh! 67 00:03:07,813 --> 00:03:09,690 -So… [laughs] -[woman]Amazing. 68 00:03:09,774 --> 00:03:11,901 Ah! [laughs] 69 00:03:15,029 --> 00:03:16,572 To our loved ones and Tyler. 70 00:03:16,656 --> 00:03:19,533 -For bringing us together today. -[woman] Absolutely. Cheers. 71 00:03:19,617 --> 00:03:23,204 Of all celebrities that have come through, Bette Davis is by far my favorite. 72 00:03:23,287 --> 00:03:27,917 I believe she wanted me here because she had something to say, 73 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,086 just the way it came about. 74 00:03:31,837 --> 00:03:34,465 -Hey! Tell me. -Do you wanna see who came through today? 75 00:03:34,548 --> 00:03:37,760 -Bette Davis! We're gonna talk about it. -[gasps] No way. 76 00:03:37,843 --> 00:03:41,138 -I cannot wait. -Bette Davis came through today. 77 00:03:41,222 --> 00:03:42,556 [Theresa] That's crazy. 78 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,435 [upbeat music playing] 79 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:52,066 -You know what's weird? -What? 80 00:03:52,149 --> 00:03:55,569 In the psychomanteum yesterday, I said I had a vision of a woman 81 00:03:55,653 --> 00:03:59,115 with a very distinctive birthmark spot. 82 00:03:59,198 --> 00:04:00,825 Like a… what looked like a mole. 83 00:04:00,908 --> 00:04:03,869 -But right up on her upper lip area. -You said that. My God. 84 00:04:03,953 --> 00:04:07,873 -No way. She was coming to you yesterday. -[Tyler] Bette Davis's role in Baby Jane 85 00:04:07,957 --> 00:04:11,502 was with a very unique birthmark, right directly by the lip. 86 00:04:11,585 --> 00:04:13,713 -Isn't that crazy? -Yes. 87 00:04:13,796 --> 00:04:14,714 Insane. 88 00:04:18,592 --> 00:04:21,178 [joyful music playing] 89 00:04:28,311 --> 00:04:32,481 -[Tyler] All right. -Now I just need to find out where… 90 00:04:34,608 --> 00:04:36,110 [laughs] Wait. 91 00:04:36,193 --> 00:04:39,030 -Oh wait, they're buttons! -[Tyler] Yeah, it's all there. Isn't that… 92 00:04:39,113 --> 00:04:41,073 -That's very high tech. -[Heather] Wait. 93 00:04:41,157 --> 00:04:43,826 All right, I'm gonna go in reverse then. But wait. 94 00:04:45,036 --> 00:04:47,997 -Okay. All right. -[Tyler] There's a learning curve. 95 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,750 -Every car is different. -[Tyler] We're getting there. 96 00:04:57,965 --> 00:05:00,885 I had a dream of burning alive, which was really pleasant. 97 00:05:00,968 --> 00:05:03,929 -[Heather] That you were? -Yeah. I was like, "Well, shit." 98 00:05:04,013 --> 00:05:06,599 [Heather] What does burning usually signi-- 99 00:05:06,682 --> 00:05:11,687 Well, that, like, image of the phoenix rising from a fire, right? 100 00:05:11,771 --> 00:05:13,981 Like, you burn everything down and then… 101 00:05:14,065 --> 00:05:15,816 You rise from the fire. 102 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:18,611 I'm sure that you and your mom are feeling stuff now 103 00:05:18,694 --> 00:05:22,156 that you're processing and feeling emotion. 104 00:05:22,239 --> 00:05:25,659 That might be part of your subconscious working through some of that stuff, 105 00:05:25,743 --> 00:05:27,578 'cause you guys are, in a sense, 106 00:05:27,661 --> 00:05:32,917 saying goodbye to the ancestry you thought was you. 107 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,835 [Heather] Right. Wow, that was deep. 108 00:05:34,919 --> 00:05:37,630 That's very insightful 'cause that could be what it is. 109 00:05:39,215 --> 00:05:42,927 -[Heather] Are you getting any new vibes? -[Tyler] Nothing new-- 110 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:45,888 [Heather] Now that we are in the vicinity. 111 00:05:45,971 --> 00:05:48,224 -[Tyler] That's a train. -[Heather] Mm-hmm. 112 00:05:48,307 --> 00:05:52,603 I was having visions of intersections. Like, roads intersect. 113 00:05:56,190 --> 00:05:58,359 -Warehouse. -[Heather] I know. Where are we? 114 00:05:58,442 --> 00:06:00,528 It doesn't look like you're going to a house. 115 00:06:00,611 --> 00:06:04,073 [Tyler] True psychic ability here is to be figuring out where I'm going. [laughs] 116 00:06:04,156 --> 00:06:07,243 [Heather] Well, the pin is pointing to this thing right here. 117 00:06:07,326 --> 00:06:09,954 [Tyler] Gotcha, gotcha Okay. Interesting. 118 00:06:10,496 --> 00:06:11,747 [Heather] Huh. 119 00:06:11,831 --> 00:06:13,332 -[Tyler] Okay. -[Heather] I don't know. 120 00:06:14,667 --> 00:06:16,752 All right, we're gonna go… 121 00:06:17,545 --> 00:06:19,130 this way. All right. 122 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,217 Well, I have to use my intuition to find out where I'm going. 123 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:25,636 In that way, I guess the reading starts early. 124 00:06:25,719 --> 00:06:28,472 [intriguing music playing] 125 00:06:30,391 --> 00:06:33,727 I appreciate you being a good sport. I mean, like, what the hell? 126 00:06:33,811 --> 00:06:35,604 I trust you a lot, obviously. 127 00:06:35,688 --> 00:06:37,064 [woman 2] Clearly. 128 00:06:37,148 --> 00:06:40,234 -Hi! How's it goin'? How are you? -Hi. How are you? 129 00:06:40,317 --> 00:06:42,361 -Hi. Oh my God. -How's it goin'? 130 00:06:42,445 --> 00:06:44,655 -It's good to see you. -I'm about to freak out. 131 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:46,574 [Tyler] How are you? Hey. What's up? 132 00:06:46,657 --> 00:06:49,785 -Well, no, like, I absolutely love you. -[Tyler] Aw, thank you. 133 00:06:49,869 --> 00:06:51,912 I do. Like I really do. 134 00:06:51,996 --> 00:06:52,830 [laughs] 135 00:06:52,913 --> 00:06:54,165 Is that a normal reaction? 136 00:06:54,248 --> 00:06:56,041 -[woman 1] Oh yeah. -I'm like, "Yo, what up?" 137 00:06:56,125 --> 00:06:57,460 And she's like… 138 00:06:57,543 --> 00:06:58,461 [Tyler] I love it. 139 00:06:59,253 --> 00:07:02,214 We're married, and we're all friends. 140 00:07:02,298 --> 00:07:07,011 We all know each other because of being paramedic family. 141 00:07:07,094 --> 00:07:10,181 Jennifer and I are paramedics. Casey does our hair, 142 00:07:10,264 --> 00:07:13,392 as well as, more than half of the department's hair. 143 00:07:14,059 --> 00:07:17,771 So basically, before we start, the only thing I'm going to mention 144 00:07:17,855 --> 00:07:19,940 is that anybody can come through. 145 00:07:20,024 --> 00:07:20,941 [chuckles] 146 00:07:21,025 --> 00:07:22,276 Anybody have any objects? 147 00:07:22,359 --> 00:07:24,236 -I brought several things. -[Tyler] Cool. 148 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,864 [Casey] Like a badge. No pictures though? 149 00:07:26,947 --> 00:07:29,658 -[Tyler] Yeah, no pictures. -[Casey] Let me just turn this around. 150 00:07:30,159 --> 00:07:33,078 [Tyler] All good. Perfect. Thank you. 151 00:07:33,162 --> 00:07:36,540 So what I'll do is I'll scribble. We'll start kinda connecting. 152 00:07:36,624 --> 00:07:39,001 Then I will hold on to the objects in a minute. 153 00:07:39,084 --> 00:07:42,796 I just got to see what comes through organically first. 154 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:43,839 One sec. 155 00:07:45,674 --> 00:07:47,343 [sighs] All right. 156 00:07:48,093 --> 00:07:49,136 Okay. 157 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:50,554 I'm nervous. 158 00:07:51,847 --> 00:07:53,724 -I'm fascinated. -Yeah. 159 00:07:56,477 --> 00:07:57,353 All right. 160 00:07:57,436 --> 00:07:58,562 [pen scribbles] 161 00:07:58,646 --> 00:08:00,773 I had a lot coming through on the way here. 162 00:08:00,856 --> 00:08:03,567 That oftentimes will happen for me, which is helpful. 163 00:08:03,651 --> 00:08:06,320 It means there's a lot of information. Um… 164 00:08:06,946 --> 00:08:10,699 It's kind of interesting. I'm amused that I'm reading three people. 165 00:08:10,783 --> 00:08:13,953 On the way here, this morning, I woke up, and I kept seeing, like, 166 00:08:14,036 --> 00:08:15,913 "Is it three people? Or four people?" 167 00:08:15,996 --> 00:08:19,708 But I wonder if there might be a message for someone who isn't here physically. 168 00:08:19,792 --> 00:08:22,169 That they might have wished was here. 169 00:08:22,253 --> 00:08:25,673 Or thought they were going to be here. Or wanted to be here and couldn't. 170 00:08:25,756 --> 00:08:28,175 That came through very strongly on the way here. 171 00:08:28,259 --> 00:08:29,093 Oh. 172 00:08:29,176 --> 00:08:30,386 -True. -I know who it should be. 173 00:08:30,469 --> 00:08:33,264 Good to keep that in mind. I'm gonna keep going here. 174 00:08:33,347 --> 00:08:37,184 I'm gonna start to connect, and I already have this coming in. 175 00:08:37,893 --> 00:08:38,811 All right. 176 00:08:40,563 --> 00:08:44,066 Um, do you know any woman who would've dealt, within your family, 177 00:08:44,149 --> 00:08:45,192 of a cancer? 178 00:08:45,276 --> 00:08:48,445 But not at an age when we would normally think of cancers. 179 00:08:48,529 --> 00:08:51,490 -Whoa. -Like, "Way too early to get cancer." 180 00:08:51,574 --> 00:08:54,326 -Do you know of any situations there? -[woman 3] My mom. 181 00:08:54,410 --> 00:08:57,705 -She had an operation to remove cancer. -[Tyler] To remove. 182 00:08:57,788 --> 00:08:58,831 Wow. 183 00:08:59,331 --> 00:09:01,083 [Tyler] There is, uh… [clicks lips] 184 00:09:02,668 --> 00:09:03,502 Okay. 185 00:09:04,420 --> 00:09:07,381 There's this thing that's… Let me see here. 186 00:09:07,464 --> 00:09:08,424 [pen scribbles] 187 00:09:08,507 --> 00:09:09,341 [Tyler] Hmm… 188 00:09:09,842 --> 00:09:12,428 I do feel… So for you, do you know of anybody 189 00:09:12,511 --> 00:09:15,973 who dealt with any brain issues in your family that would have passed? 190 00:09:16,056 --> 00:09:18,225 Dude, get… Get out of here. 191 00:09:18,309 --> 00:09:19,852 [Tyler chuckles] 192 00:09:19,935 --> 00:09:21,604 References like neurofeedback 193 00:09:21,687 --> 00:09:25,983 always refer to, like, the brain almost dealing with damage. 194 00:09:26,066 --> 00:09:29,403 And so, it's like, if someone has literal holes in their brain, 195 00:09:29,486 --> 00:09:31,697 or had something very much brain structure. 196 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:33,532 We're not even talking biochemical. 197 00:09:33,616 --> 00:09:37,119 That's a different kind of thing. This is something's wrong with the brain. 198 00:09:37,202 --> 00:09:40,581 -They're just pretty much there. -Oh. Oh. 199 00:09:40,664 --> 00:09:42,833 [Tyler] And that's a lot to process. 200 00:09:44,251 --> 00:09:45,169 [woman 3] Mm… 201 00:09:45,252 --> 00:09:48,005 If you were to ask me how my mom would die, 202 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:51,008 I would not have told you that she had a seizure. 203 00:09:54,386 --> 00:09:55,262 [sighs deeply] 204 00:09:55,346 --> 00:09:58,807 I took care of my mom. We had ups and downs with her health. 205 00:09:58,891 --> 00:10:02,102 And it got to the point that I couldn't take… 206 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:04,647 care of her. 207 00:10:06,148 --> 00:10:07,232 In my job, 208 00:10:08,484 --> 00:10:10,694 you make life-and-death decisions. 209 00:10:13,447 --> 00:10:16,116 And when it came to my mom, 210 00:10:16,617 --> 00:10:17,618 and saying… 211 00:10:18,911 --> 00:10:20,162 [sighs deeply] 212 00:10:21,914 --> 00:10:25,125 It was the hardest decision that I've ever made. 213 00:10:25,918 --> 00:10:28,087 -[Tyler] Thank you for sharing that. -Yeah. 214 00:10:28,170 --> 00:10:30,214 [gentle music playing] 215 00:10:32,383 --> 00:10:35,469 I had a number of non-tragic passings coming through. 216 00:10:35,552 --> 00:10:37,971 People who passed away at an age-appropriate age, 217 00:10:38,055 --> 00:10:39,723 nothing dramatic in that way. 218 00:10:39,807 --> 00:10:42,935 But I had this one passing coming in that did feel premature 219 00:10:43,018 --> 00:10:44,687 and did feel really tragic. 220 00:10:44,770 --> 00:10:49,066 So it definitely strikes me as more of a situation involving somebody 221 00:10:49,149 --> 00:10:51,694 who did not get to see their life through. 222 00:10:51,777 --> 00:10:54,947 But this person, it's really a tragic thing 223 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:57,449 because of the timing of when they passed. 224 00:10:59,660 --> 00:11:01,078 When they died, 225 00:11:01,161 --> 00:11:04,832 they're bringing up the life that was to be had 226 00:11:04,915 --> 00:11:06,500 and what their future was gonna hold. 227 00:11:06,583 --> 00:11:09,378 I feel like my life's taken from me pretty suddenly. 228 00:11:09,461 --> 00:11:11,463 Now, in the way that this comes through, 229 00:11:11,547 --> 00:11:15,008 I am going to hold onto this because I feel drawn to this object. 230 00:11:16,051 --> 00:11:19,972 I'm trying to figure out what this is. Cause it feels almost idyllic. Like, um… 231 00:11:21,098 --> 00:11:21,932 Picture perfect. 232 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:25,561 Then, I just feel like, there's this acknowledgment of this, 233 00:11:25,644 --> 00:11:26,854 but it's weird. 234 00:11:26,937 --> 00:11:28,272 Without giving anything away, 235 00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:32,192 can any of you relate to somebody who would have passed away prematurely? 236 00:11:32,276 --> 00:11:33,694 -Yes. -[Tyler] Okay. 237 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:36,071 -Give me one sec. -[pen scribbles] 238 00:11:38,365 --> 00:11:39,491 There's this hat. 239 00:11:40,826 --> 00:11:43,579 This is definitely not a hat when I'm holding onto this. 240 00:11:43,662 --> 00:11:46,331 -[Casey laughs] -But I'm seeing a hat. It's kind of weird. 241 00:11:46,415 --> 00:11:47,624 [Casey] I almost brought a hat. 242 00:11:47,708 --> 00:11:49,877 [Tyler] Did you? Whose hat did you almost bring? 243 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,420 -His. [laughs] -[Tyler] Okay. 244 00:11:51,503 --> 00:11:52,963 So let me bring up this hat, 245 00:11:53,046 --> 00:11:56,258 and I'm like, "I'm holding this." I'm like, "That's not a hat." 246 00:11:56,341 --> 00:11:57,342 [laughs] 247 00:11:57,426 --> 00:12:00,929 I'm gonna keep going. 'Cause I've got that, that, that, that… 248 00:12:06,185 --> 00:12:09,188 I'm trying to figure out how this applies. Give me one sec. 249 00:12:11,482 --> 00:12:13,025 Anybody know of a Wayne? 250 00:12:13,108 --> 00:12:14,568 -Anybody? Wayne? -Yes. Uh-huh. 251 00:12:14,651 --> 00:12:17,696 Yeah? How does Wayne relate to the younger man who passed away? 252 00:12:17,780 --> 00:12:19,615 -[Casey] That's his uncle. -Was his uncle. Okay. 253 00:12:19,698 --> 00:12:23,994 -His uncle like to fish at all? -Uh-huh. He is a fisherman. 254 00:12:24,077 --> 00:12:26,205 -Okay. -It's crazy. 255 00:12:27,664 --> 00:12:28,582 Hmm. 256 00:12:30,083 --> 00:12:31,043 [Tyler] Feels like… 257 00:12:33,587 --> 00:12:34,546 Weird. 258 00:12:35,130 --> 00:12:38,383 He showed me all these lines of vehicles, for some reason. 259 00:12:38,467 --> 00:12:39,510 I don't know why. 260 00:12:39,593 --> 00:12:43,013 You know when a president dies, and they have the procession of cars? 261 00:12:43,096 --> 00:12:44,848 There's this feeling of, 262 00:12:44,932 --> 00:12:48,727 "I realize I was loved when I saw this in such a big way." 263 00:12:48,811 --> 00:12:50,270 It seemed meaningful for him. 264 00:12:50,354 --> 00:12:54,900 And then I'm just kinda curious to know who this was for you. What was his name? 265 00:12:54,983 --> 00:12:58,904 His name was Trey. He was, uh… Sorry. 266 00:12:59,446 --> 00:13:01,198 -[woman 3] It's okay. -[Jennifer] Let it out. 267 00:13:01,281 --> 00:13:04,868 Um, he was my husband, and, um… 268 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:10,833 We had a little girl. 269 00:13:10,916 --> 00:13:13,168 And four weeks after she was born, 270 00:13:13,752 --> 00:13:16,630 he came home from work, and everything was totally normal. 271 00:13:16,713 --> 00:13:18,423 We went to sleep, and… 272 00:13:18,924 --> 00:13:21,802 he had a seizure in the middle of the night. 273 00:13:22,302 --> 00:13:25,305 Then long story short, we went to the hospital, 274 00:13:25,389 --> 00:13:28,141 and they found a lesion on his brain. 275 00:13:28,225 --> 00:13:33,564 And that started our three years of brain tumor radiation and chemo. 276 00:13:34,356 --> 00:13:35,816 [Tyler] There was this feeling of, 277 00:13:36,859 --> 00:13:38,026 "I didn't kill myself." 278 00:13:38,110 --> 00:13:41,196 It's not that kind of thing. But, "would've done things differently." 279 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,575 Men are very, very difficult to make y'all go to the doctor. 280 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,787 And I said it from the very, very beginning with Trey. 281 00:13:48,871 --> 00:13:53,792 If he had gone, maybe they would have done extra tests 282 00:13:53,876 --> 00:13:57,296 and seen it, and maybe we could have been on top of it. 283 00:13:57,379 --> 00:14:01,258 Maybe there would've been something different, but, um… 284 00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:05,846 -I don't know. That's just… Yeah. -[Tyler] Yeah. Did everything you could. 285 00:14:05,929 --> 00:14:08,724 -Wow. -My daughter told me, when after Trey died 286 00:14:08,807 --> 00:14:12,394 that she felt him rub her back to sleep. 287 00:14:14,104 --> 00:14:16,231 -Do you think you can feel his hand? -[Tyler] Yes. 288 00:14:16,315 --> 00:14:19,276 -Absolutely. Yeah. The warmth. Yeah. -[Casey] That she can actually-- 289 00:14:19,359 --> 00:14:23,488 -She was three, but I believed her. -[Tyler] Yeah. Absolutely. 290 00:14:23,572 --> 00:14:27,159 I often find that they sometimes will not come through repeatedly 291 00:14:27,242 --> 00:14:30,120 because they don't want to make our grief process worse. 292 00:14:30,203 --> 00:14:32,539 -Okay. -[Tyler] Sometimes they will visit once. 293 00:14:32,623 --> 00:14:36,168 Just to say, "I'm all right," or to communicate, "I'm with you." 294 00:14:36,251 --> 00:14:38,837 So that does sometimes happen. It's not abnormal. 295 00:14:38,921 --> 00:14:41,590 He comes across, honestly, with a sense of humor. 296 00:14:41,673 --> 00:14:44,092 -[Casey] He does. -And a dumb sense of humor. 297 00:14:44,176 --> 00:14:47,346 I mean that kindly. I mean it in the most loving way possible. 298 00:14:47,429 --> 00:14:50,849 I feel like he could be silly sometimes, just for silly's sake. 299 00:14:50,933 --> 00:14:53,226 And you know what dad jokes are? 300 00:14:53,310 --> 00:14:55,354 Jokes that are like, "Really? Come on." 301 00:14:55,437 --> 00:14:56,980 -That's totally him. -[Tyler] Yeah. 302 00:14:58,732 --> 00:15:01,610 [sighs] All right. Okay. 303 00:15:02,235 --> 00:15:04,988 Keeps showing me a clock, and any time they show me a clock, 304 00:15:05,072 --> 00:15:08,450 it always indicates their passing that they basically waited to go. 305 00:15:08,533 --> 00:15:12,245 And then when he got the permission to go, I felt like he went. 306 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:14,122 And he just can't stress enough 307 00:15:14,206 --> 00:15:18,669 how much he understands how hard that was to do and how difficult. 308 00:15:18,752 --> 00:15:22,422 There's this feeling of, in one ear, "No, hang in there, stay with us," 309 00:15:22,506 --> 00:15:24,549 and in the other, "No, it's okay. You can go." 310 00:15:24,633 --> 00:15:29,096 Being given that permission allowed him to transition in such a peaceful way. 311 00:15:29,179 --> 00:15:32,432 We surrounded him at home, and, um, 312 00:15:32,516 --> 00:15:34,768 I told him it was okay. 313 00:15:34,851 --> 00:15:37,145 -And that's when he passed away. -[Tyler] Wow. 314 00:15:37,229 --> 00:15:40,273 Now, do you know of anybody who worked around, like, oil, 315 00:15:40,357 --> 00:15:42,109 like, oil rig or oil stuff? 316 00:15:42,192 --> 00:15:45,112 Just having me highlight that reference as far as that goes 317 00:15:45,195 --> 00:15:46,488 'cause that was weird. 318 00:15:46,571 --> 00:15:48,031 If that did come in. 319 00:15:48,115 --> 00:15:50,742 -There's a lot. -Oh, shit! Sorry. 320 00:15:50,826 --> 00:15:51,994 It's all good. 321 00:15:52,077 --> 00:15:54,079 [laughing] 322 00:15:55,789 --> 00:15:57,874 [Tyler] It's all good. All good. 323 00:15:57,958 --> 00:15:59,543 Who worked in the oil stuff? 324 00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:02,963 -My current fiancé does. My dad does also. -[Tyler] Gotcha. 325 00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:04,840 They're putting a lot of excitement 326 00:16:04,923 --> 00:16:07,300 around your personal life, even beyond the fiancé. 327 00:16:07,384 --> 00:16:09,678 Things are looking up. There's so much excitement. 328 00:16:09,761 --> 00:16:11,972 There's so much life to be lived. 329 00:16:12,055 --> 00:16:14,224 I feel like for you, I can't stress enough, 330 00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:18,437 how much love there is there for you, and how excited he is for your future. 331 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,564 For me, that's the biggest takeaway. 332 00:16:20,647 --> 00:16:23,900 -So-- -That means the world to… to me. 333 00:16:23,984 --> 00:16:28,530 -[Tyler] Of course. -It does. It means the world to… to me. 334 00:16:29,072 --> 00:16:32,701 One thing I did wanna discuss was the reference to the line of vehicles. 335 00:16:32,784 --> 00:16:35,162 It seemed interesting. It seemed meaningful for him. 336 00:16:35,245 --> 00:16:37,998 That was Trey's procession to the funeral. 337 00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:41,752 Trey was also a paramedic. 338 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:48,341 At the burial site, they had probably several hundred paramedics, 339 00:16:48,425 --> 00:16:51,303 just lined up for, like, the last call, 340 00:16:51,386 --> 00:16:55,223 which is where they, like, retire his badge number. 341 00:16:58,310 --> 00:17:00,604 [announcer] This is last call for 6-1-7. 342 00:17:00,687 --> 00:17:04,024 Over the past seven years, you have shown a caring and compassionate dedication 343 00:17:04,107 --> 00:17:06,234 to family, friends, and East Baton Rouge. 344 00:17:06,318 --> 00:17:09,654 You will be dearly missed. Gone but not forgotten. 345 00:17:09,738 --> 00:17:12,199 John Dolan Thompson, III, Trey. 346 00:17:12,282 --> 00:17:14,451 End of watch, 13:24. 347 00:17:17,662 --> 00:17:22,626 It was definitely, definitely significant and, uh, amazing. 348 00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:26,046 -Wow. What a send-off. That's beautiful. -[Casey] Oh yeah. 349 00:17:26,129 --> 00:17:28,715 I was a fan before, but I'm a super-fan now. 350 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:31,134 Thank you very much. 351 00:17:31,885 --> 00:17:33,512 [upbeat music playing] 352 00:17:45,065 --> 00:17:48,610 [Mary] Now that Theresa's in New Orleans, I wanna show her places of significance 353 00:17:48,693 --> 00:17:49,694 in our family, 354 00:17:50,278 --> 00:17:53,323 because this is part of who she is too. 355 00:17:53,406 --> 00:17:56,201 -You're gonna enjoy this. -I know. What a memory. 356 00:17:56,284 --> 00:17:58,787 -I'm gonna try not to cry. -[Mary] Oh my God. 357 00:17:58,870 --> 00:18:00,705 It's okay. It's all good. 358 00:18:00,789 --> 00:18:03,083 -It's a beautiful, happy day. -I know. 359 00:18:03,834 --> 00:18:07,087 [Tyler] From what Mary has told us, she was too young to remember anything 360 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:10,006 about what lead to the circumstances of my mom's disappearance. 361 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:12,843 I'm excited to be able to walk through her old neighborhood. 362 00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:15,011 What should've been my mom's old neighborhood. 363 00:18:15,095 --> 00:18:18,473 Maybe get some psychic impressions that might fill in some blanks. 364 00:18:18,557 --> 00:18:21,810 It might be a stretch, but stranger things have happened. 365 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:26,273 Oh wow. 366 00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:28,400 [Theresa] What's happening here? 367 00:18:28,483 --> 00:18:30,819 [Mary] We're on a journey to find the house we lived at. 368 00:18:30,902 --> 00:18:32,070 [Theresa] Okay. 369 00:18:32,154 --> 00:18:33,405 When Mama met your daddy. 370 00:18:34,322 --> 00:18:37,576 -I see. Okay. Interesting. -[Mary] We're gonna go right in here. 371 00:18:37,659 --> 00:18:39,411 -[Theresa] We're gonna go inside? -Yes. 372 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:42,998 I lived here as a child, with my brother. 373 00:18:43,665 --> 00:18:45,375 Mama was married twice. 374 00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:47,961 Her first husband, she was 18. 375 00:18:48,044 --> 00:18:49,671 And he left Mama. 376 00:18:50,172 --> 00:18:53,175 Then George and I's father. 377 00:18:53,258 --> 00:18:56,011 He just basically… he left her with us. 378 00:18:57,053 --> 00:18:59,723 My mother was cooking in this house, 379 00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:03,977 and on that day, she met Theresa's father. 380 00:19:04,060 --> 00:19:05,937 His name was Joe. 381 00:19:06,855 --> 00:19:08,523 He was out painting on this road, 382 00:19:08,607 --> 00:19:11,568 and I said my mom was making biscuits. 383 00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:14,863 -And so that was the-- -[Tyler] Then you got more than biscuits. 384 00:19:14,946 --> 00:19:17,824 -[laughs] -We did. A lot of unanswered questions. 385 00:19:17,908 --> 00:19:21,036 [Tyler] Being at this house in Algiers Point is overwhelming for me. 386 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,413 So far, I'm getting a lot of impressions, 387 00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:26,416 but I have no context to really place these impressions. 388 00:19:26,499 --> 00:19:28,835 None of my biological family lives in that house. 389 00:19:28,919 --> 00:19:32,547 And so because of that, I have no way of placing what I'm getting. 390 00:19:33,381 --> 00:19:37,969 -So what do we know about him? -Yes. So she had two bad marriages. 391 00:19:38,053 --> 00:19:42,015 She thought that Joe was gonna marry her. He told her he was gonna marry her. 392 00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:44,184 Well, that didn't work out, did it? 393 00:19:44,267 --> 00:19:47,604 Well, I don't know what his intentions were, 394 00:19:48,313 --> 00:19:52,943 but they weren't to support Mama after she became pregnant for Theresa. 395 00:19:53,026 --> 00:19:57,864 Can you imagine? Two children, unwed, pregnant. 396 00:19:58,365 --> 00:20:01,660 It's just, there was so much shame. 397 00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:03,536 Theresa, baby. 398 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:05,372 -It's where you were born. -[Theresa] My God. 399 00:20:05,956 --> 00:20:08,875 [Mary] This is where you were taken from Mama. 400 00:20:08,959 --> 00:20:12,337 -And it was a woman-and-child hospital. -Wow. 401 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:16,174 -And, um-- Yes. -Just for women having babies. Okay. 402 00:20:16,258 --> 00:20:20,971 [Mary] I believe there were nuns there, way back, when it was an older hospital. 403 00:20:21,054 --> 00:20:24,599 At that time, there was a lot of placement of children. 404 00:20:24,683 --> 00:20:27,560 Stella was always so rooted in religion too. 405 00:20:27,644 --> 00:20:30,063 Tyler told me a little bit about what he thought. 406 00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:32,190 That's how she got those vulnerable mothers. 407 00:20:32,274 --> 00:20:35,110 Oh, that's exactly how because she always found a way to, 408 00:20:35,193 --> 00:20:37,779 like, weasel her way into churches 409 00:20:37,862 --> 00:20:39,906 and play on people's sympathy. 410 00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:44,077 And I mean, if you've heard Stella talk, she was a Sunday School teacher. 411 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,748 How Mama met Stella, and how it led to her getting Theresa 412 00:20:49,249 --> 00:20:52,711 may be a mystery, but I do know we don't just throw our family away. 413 00:20:52,794 --> 00:20:55,422 That was a sick situation, 414 00:20:55,505 --> 00:20:58,049 and it's still sick, because it ain't finished. 415 00:20:58,633 --> 00:21:03,847 This area, this whole area was a blocked-off area 416 00:21:03,930 --> 00:21:06,224 that was the Saint Thomas housing. 417 00:21:06,308 --> 00:21:09,602 -So people actually lived there… Yes. -Like low-income housing? 418 00:21:09,686 --> 00:21:11,813 Yes, but they called it the projects. 419 00:21:11,896 --> 00:21:13,106 The projects, right. 420 00:21:14,482 --> 00:21:16,109 -[Mary] Okay. -[Theresa] Interesting. 421 00:21:16,901 --> 00:21:19,362 [Mary] So I wanted to share with you, Theresa. 422 00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:22,198 -This is 601 Saint Mary. -Okay. 423 00:21:22,282 --> 00:21:26,328 [Mary] This is where you and I saw each other for the first time. 424 00:21:26,411 --> 00:21:29,414 -And I never forgot that beautiful girl. -Oh my God. 425 00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:33,752 -One day, Stella came to our house. -[Theresa] Yes. 426 00:21:33,835 --> 00:21:37,547 [Mary] It was just me and Mama at home. I was around ten years old. 427 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:40,091 Based on what you're saying, I would've been five. 428 00:21:40,175 --> 00:21:44,429 Yes, and when she came in, there was really not a whole bunch said. 429 00:21:44,512 --> 00:21:47,515 It was a very odd visit, but I didn't know who you were. 430 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:50,101 I didn't know who this lady was. I had no idea. 431 00:21:50,185 --> 00:21:51,936 -You knew something was wrong. -[Mary] Yes. 432 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:56,316 And Mama was not happy, and Mama took you upstairs. 433 00:21:56,816 --> 00:21:59,736 -And she freshened you up. -[Theresa] Right, right. 434 00:22:00,737 --> 00:22:04,449 And Mama had a, um… It was a utility closet. 435 00:22:04,532 --> 00:22:08,036 Stella, she went into that closet. She stole my baby picture. 436 00:22:08,787 --> 00:22:12,415 See now, that's another thing. She stole your baby picture. 437 00:22:12,499 --> 00:22:16,378 So she needed that to help support having me, 438 00:22:16,461 --> 00:22:18,463 and we're sisters, and we look alike. 439 00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:20,757 There had to be something in it for Stella. 440 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,342 Always an ulterior motive. 441 00:22:22,425 --> 00:22:24,469 -She was so sneaky. -That's crazy. 442 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:28,890 [Mary] So Mama came downstairs, and she had your hand. 443 00:22:29,557 --> 00:22:34,646 Then the next piece I have in my mind is that when we were at that back door. 444 00:22:34,729 --> 00:22:36,815 I felt we were saying bye. 445 00:22:36,898 --> 00:22:40,527 But when we did, you and I were like this. 446 00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:44,072 So maybe Mama wanted to make sure that we got to see each other. 447 00:22:44,155 --> 00:22:48,118 Mama tells me right at the door, "That's your little sister." 448 00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:52,038 It's hard to understand why my mother, Mary Baroni, couldn't take me back. 449 00:22:52,122 --> 00:22:54,749 Well, I, I, I just… I just looked at her. 450 00:22:54,833 --> 00:22:57,043 I wanted to know why we weren't getting you. 451 00:22:57,127 --> 00:22:59,170 -[Theresa] Right. -[Mary] And she said, "I can't." 452 00:22:59,254 --> 00:23:00,547 So that's when we sat down. 453 00:23:00,630 --> 00:23:02,507 -Yeah. -[Mary] And that's when she cried. 454 00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:04,384 And then she was, "Stella." 455 00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:07,554 And I remember that day of you, Theresa, 456 00:23:07,637 --> 00:23:10,140 so specific, and… 457 00:23:11,683 --> 00:23:12,976 I can't even explain it. 458 00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:14,060 It's huge. 459 00:23:14,144 --> 00:23:17,313 -Yeah. Yeah, it is. -Tyler. It's huge because… 460 00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:22,610 -It's just huge. -[Tyler] Yeah. 461 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:24,404 It's okay. 462 00:23:26,239 --> 00:23:27,073 [Mary sniffles] 463 00:23:27,157 --> 00:23:30,034 -I wanted to make him proud of me. -It's okay, baby. 464 00:23:30,118 --> 00:23:31,161 [Mary] I know it's… 465 00:23:35,206 --> 00:23:38,084 [Tyler] I'm thankful for my Aunt Mary, taking us across New Orleans 466 00:23:38,168 --> 00:23:40,170 and seeing all these important sites, 467 00:23:40,253 --> 00:23:42,464 but they haven't really led to any answers. 468 00:23:42,547 --> 00:23:45,550 I've got a lot of impressions and no context of understanding 469 00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:46,801 what it all means. 470 00:23:46,885 --> 00:23:49,387 It's possible that the only way I'll get answers 471 00:23:49,471 --> 00:23:53,016 to how Stella took my mom will be through reading my Aunt Mary, 472 00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:54,851 and I hope I have that chance. 473 00:23:54,934 --> 00:23:58,062 -I'm glad we're able to be to do this. -It's true. Me too. 474 00:23:58,146 --> 00:24:00,940 -Me too. -I commend you for your strength there. 475 00:24:01,024 --> 00:24:04,694 -'Cause that's a lot to have to process. -I'm good. Thank you so much. 476 00:24:04,777 --> 00:24:06,821 [Tyler] It was so much intensity to the situation 477 00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:12,118 that it was simultaneously refreshing to see Mary and my mom together today, 478 00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:13,661 but also bittersweet because 479 00:24:14,162 --> 00:24:17,999 you can tell there's still a lot there on both sides that is being processed. 480 00:24:18,082 --> 00:24:19,709 You can feel the heaviness. 481 00:24:21,503 --> 00:24:23,046 It's complicated. 482 00:24:29,719 --> 00:24:32,347 [atmospheric music playing] 483 00:24:38,478 --> 00:24:40,188 [producer] All ready for the podcast today? 484 00:24:40,271 --> 00:24:41,731 [Tyler] I am. I am excited for Kesha. 485 00:24:41,814 --> 00:24:44,275 -[man] Your headphones. -Fabulous. I will put those there. 486 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,318 [chuckles] 487 00:24:45,401 --> 00:24:47,320 -Should I put them on? -[man] That should work. 488 00:24:47,403 --> 00:24:49,822 [Tyler] Yeah, let me see. See if I can hear everybody. 489 00:24:50,573 --> 00:24:52,200 Kesha's on screen here. 490 00:24:52,283 --> 00:24:54,702 -[man] Kesha's on screen! -[Tyler] Hi. [laughs] 491 00:24:55,703 --> 00:24:58,206 [man] Video and audio's going. We're good. 492 00:24:58,289 --> 00:24:59,749 [upbeat music playing] 493 00:25:04,212 --> 00:25:06,839 [Kesha] Welcome to Kesha and the Creepies. 494 00:25:06,923 --> 00:25:09,717 I am so excited. I am nervous. 495 00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:14,722 I'm feeling all the feelings to have my next guest with us, Tyler Henry. 496 00:25:14,806 --> 00:25:17,308 -Thank you for coming on my podcast. -Oh, of course. 497 00:25:17,392 --> 00:25:19,978 I wouldn't miss it. I'm excited for the opportunity. 498 00:25:20,061 --> 00:25:25,108 Where to even begin with you? I just… I'm so curious about your gift. 499 00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:28,778 Basically, this started for me when I was actually only ten years old. 500 00:25:28,861 --> 00:25:31,281 At ten, it's something that happens to you. 501 00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:33,992 It's not really something you identify as an ability. 502 00:25:34,075 --> 00:25:36,828 And so it took some time to kind of step into it. 503 00:25:36,911 --> 00:25:39,664 Are you still finding yourself stepping into it? 504 00:25:39,747 --> 00:25:42,375 [Tyler] Totally. Even at this moment, there's little things 505 00:25:42,458 --> 00:25:43,876 that come through for you. 506 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,588 But there is something to be said about balance. 507 00:25:46,671 --> 00:25:49,924 -[Kesha] Wait, you can tell me things? -I can tell you one thing, if you'd like. 508 00:25:50,008 --> 00:25:52,176 -I don't want to overwhelm you. -[Kesha] Okay, sure. 509 00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:54,178 So before I hopped on the line today, 510 00:25:54,262 --> 00:25:57,640 I was seeing my symbol for the sun and the moon. 511 00:25:57,724 --> 00:26:01,269 The sun always represents to me, like, a birthday, life, 512 00:26:01,352 --> 00:26:05,398 and then the moon represents people passing away. You know, death. 513 00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:07,233 So there's that dichotomy. 514 00:26:07,317 --> 00:26:10,361 What was so interesting is, I don't know if your mom has a sister. 515 00:26:10,445 --> 00:26:12,488 -They're putting emphasis around-- -[Kesha] She does. 516 00:26:12,572 --> 00:26:13,948 [Tyler] …what'd be an aunt for you. 517 00:26:14,032 --> 00:26:17,702 There was an interesting acknowledgment with the sun and the moon thing of 518 00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:22,248 within 24 hours, there being a birth date and a death date. 519 00:26:22,332 --> 00:26:26,044 So, like, when did your grandmother pass? 520 00:26:26,127 --> 00:26:30,423 -[Kesha] I don't know. Do you mind… -[Tyler] You can totally check. Feel free. 521 00:26:30,506 --> 00:26:33,134 -[Kesha] My boyfriend is texting my mom. -[Tyler] Yeah, no worries. 522 00:26:33,217 --> 00:26:35,803 Because there's a funny reference for your aunt. 523 00:26:35,887 --> 00:26:38,181 That every time it's her birthday or something, she… 524 00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:41,225 Your grandmother wouldn't want to kind of make the date sad. 525 00:26:41,309 --> 00:26:44,771 It feels like there was a passing and a birthday right next to each other. 526 00:26:44,854 --> 00:26:50,568 [Kesha] Really? My boyfriend just told me that my grandmother died on December 7th, 527 00:26:50,652 --> 00:26:53,112 and my aunt's birthday is December 6th. 528 00:26:53,196 --> 00:26:56,032 -[Kesha] I didn't even remember that. -Okay, so that is interesting. 529 00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:59,494 It would've been within a 24-hour-ish period 530 00:26:59,577 --> 00:27:01,329 of the birthday and the death day. 531 00:27:01,412 --> 00:27:05,041 That is so weird. So that would be why I was seeing the sun and the moon. 532 00:27:05,625 --> 00:27:06,668 Oh my God. 533 00:27:06,751 --> 00:27:08,002 Very strange. 534 00:27:08,086 --> 00:27:10,213 Come through, Tyler. 535 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:11,756 Yes. I love it. 536 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,133 This has been the loveliest conversation. 537 00:27:14,217 --> 00:27:15,051 Aw. 538 00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:16,719 I appreciate it. Genuinely. 539 00:27:16,803 --> 00:27:20,932 -Love to you. Thank you. -[Kesha] Love to you. Bye. 540 00:27:21,015 --> 00:27:23,434 -We did it. [laughs] -Woo-hoo. 541 00:27:24,394 --> 00:27:25,269 Oh. 542 00:27:25,353 --> 00:27:28,606 -[man] Yeah. That was great. -Oh my goodness. That was fun. 543 00:27:29,524 --> 00:27:31,901 [soft music playing] 544 00:27:37,573 --> 00:27:40,785 [Theresa] Mary, she's so sweet. She brought me gifts. 545 00:27:40,868 --> 00:27:44,956 I mean, let's just start with this. She brought me some documents to show you. 546 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,208 -Wow. So these are all family stuff. -Yeah. 547 00:27:47,291 --> 00:27:51,003 This is just little sweet things. I just want to show you this. 548 00:27:51,671 --> 00:27:53,965 -This is my mother's perfume. -Oh. 549 00:27:54,048 --> 00:27:56,884 And this is a really old-fashioned perfume, 550 00:27:56,968 --> 00:27:58,720 which I know I've seen before. 551 00:27:58,803 --> 00:28:02,432 When she brought it out, I was like, "I've seen this bottle of perfume before." 552 00:28:02,515 --> 00:28:05,727 I washed my hands a couple of times, but it still smells lovely. 553 00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:08,354 -Yeah, it does. -[Theresa] Isn't the smell lovely? 554 00:28:08,438 --> 00:28:11,899 And then this is just… Rosary beads are usually beads. 555 00:28:11,983 --> 00:28:15,695 But this happens to be a rosary rope, which I've never seen before. 556 00:28:15,778 --> 00:28:18,531 -[Tyler] Fascinating. -Someone must have made it for my mom. 557 00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:21,701 Yeah. That's hard to look at. 558 00:28:21,784 --> 00:28:26,456 I mean, I know. It's nice to have those things, to have a connection. 559 00:28:27,248 --> 00:28:28,291 This has been a lot. 560 00:28:28,374 --> 00:28:32,670 I feel for you deeply in a way I can't put into words, and I know that you… 561 00:28:33,379 --> 00:28:35,715 say you're all good, but I just-- I… 562 00:28:35,798 --> 00:28:38,259 I feel for you in a way that I can't articulate. 563 00:28:38,342 --> 00:28:39,677 And it's just very… 564 00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:41,471 sad. 565 00:28:41,554 --> 00:28:44,223 I just can't focus too much on certain things. 566 00:28:44,307 --> 00:28:48,394 I know when it's time for me to stop talking to my sister Mary. 567 00:28:48,478 --> 00:28:50,021 -[Tyler] Yeah. -I love my sister Mary. 568 00:28:50,104 --> 00:28:52,523 But right now, I feel physically drained. 569 00:28:54,776 --> 00:28:58,196 [voice breaks] I don't want to cry. This is not going to be a crying thing. 570 00:28:59,030 --> 00:29:02,200 That ship sailed, but it's okay. I mean, you gotta let that out 571 00:29:02,283 --> 00:29:04,410 'cause you are such a strong person. 572 00:29:04,494 --> 00:29:08,498 -I know. I know. -But you need to feel what you're feeling. 573 00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:10,917 I know, Tyler. I wanna go now, okay? 574 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:11,834 [Tyler] Yeah. 575 00:29:11,918 --> 00:29:13,544 -I love you. I'm sorry. -I love you. 576 00:29:13,628 --> 00:29:15,087 This is draining for you too. 577 00:29:15,171 --> 00:29:19,091 No, I, I can only imagine what it's like for you. It's just… 578 00:29:19,175 --> 00:29:21,260 Yeah… It's… 579 00:29:23,638 --> 00:29:24,847 [Theresa] I need to freshen up. 580 00:29:24,931 --> 00:29:27,475 -Then I'll be ready to go. -No worries. Take your time. 581 00:29:31,646 --> 00:29:33,564 My mom is great at compartmentalizing, 582 00:29:33,648 --> 00:29:37,902 and there's times where she has no choice but to go with what she's feeling. 583 00:29:37,985 --> 00:29:40,988 But generally, she's pretty good at putting a box on a shelf 584 00:29:41,072 --> 00:29:42,406 and not looking at it. 585 00:29:46,285 --> 00:29:47,578 You know, my mom left, 586 00:29:47,662 --> 00:29:48,871 camera crew left. 587 00:29:48,955 --> 00:29:50,998 I had this box in front of me, and I was like, 588 00:29:51,082 --> 00:29:54,627 "I'm gonna go through it," of course, and I did. I held onto the rosary 589 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:58,589 and looked at the picture and all that. I tried it on, wrapped around my neck. 590 00:29:58,673 --> 00:30:00,216 And I started bawling 591 00:30:00,299 --> 00:30:02,552 because it was so emotional for me. 592 00:30:02,635 --> 00:30:05,054 I could feel my mom's pain. I had my own pain, 593 00:30:05,137 --> 00:30:08,599 with knowing this was somebody I never got the chance to meet. 594 00:30:08,683 --> 00:30:12,061 This person was my grandmother. If it weren't for her existence, 595 00:30:12,144 --> 00:30:14,522 my existence wouldn't be possible. 596 00:30:14,605 --> 00:30:18,401 And it just feels like we were both really robbed of that relationship, 597 00:30:18,484 --> 00:30:20,152 and now everything 598 00:30:21,153 --> 00:30:24,073 that we had was just… in a box. 599 00:30:24,156 --> 00:30:26,576 And it wasn't her. It was just her stuff. 600 00:30:27,076 --> 00:30:29,036 There was something painful about that. 601 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,581 That's the extent I'll ever get to know my grandmother. 602 00:30:32,164 --> 00:30:34,333 Better to have something than nothing, but… 603 00:30:36,002 --> 00:30:39,171 the things don't replace the void of the absence 604 00:30:40,089 --> 00:30:41,299 of her presence. 605 00:30:41,382 --> 00:30:42,508 [Clint] Yeah. 606 00:30:44,302 --> 00:30:47,555 [Tyler] In the box, there is a picture of my great-grandmother. 607 00:30:47,638 --> 00:30:51,100 And my mom said that it's nice to have a picture of her, 608 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:52,768 but looking at her also 609 00:30:53,811 --> 00:30:56,939 was painful because she just felt like, "How could you… 610 00:30:58,441 --> 00:31:03,487 have not stepped up and, like, done more to prevent this from happening?" 611 00:31:08,534 --> 00:31:10,995 I'd love to know what happened at the hospital with Mama. 612 00:31:11,078 --> 00:31:13,581 Yeah, me too. 613 00:31:13,664 --> 00:31:16,667 And I can scribble on it and see what comes through. 614 00:31:16,751 --> 00:31:17,877 [pen scribbles] 615 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,255 Uh, such a hard thing to be emotionally detached from. 616 00:31:21,339 --> 00:31:23,257 -[Mary] I know. -[Tyler] But I can try. 617 00:31:23,341 --> 00:31:24,800 [uneasy music playing] 618 00:31:28,429 --> 00:31:32,308 [Tyler] I'm definitely getting some impressions, and as I'm delving into this, 619 00:31:32,391 --> 00:31:36,062 I'm really trying to detach myself from what's coming through. 620 00:31:36,145 --> 00:31:39,148 If I get too emotional, too invested, too biased, 621 00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,943 then my connection to the other side becomes skewed. 622 00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:45,529 There. 623 00:31:46,614 --> 00:31:48,741 [sighs] It's funny reading family, 624 00:31:48,824 --> 00:31:51,243 but I'm going to relay exactly as it comes through. 625 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,083 It's pretty evident to me in my belief 626 00:31:57,166 --> 00:32:01,295 that your grandmother may have had something to do with the process 627 00:32:01,379 --> 00:32:03,172 of how things panned out. 628 00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:05,883 Not knowingly, necessarily-- 629 00:32:05,967 --> 00:32:08,886 -[Mary] That it'd be a bad sort. -It would be difficult… Right. 630 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:11,639 But she wanted to help and give my mom a better life. 631 00:32:14,183 --> 00:32:15,935 And the way this comes across… 632 00:32:19,814 --> 00:32:22,650 There's just this feeling of it being too late 633 00:32:22,733 --> 00:32:24,944 once I realize that something's wrong. 634 00:32:26,904 --> 00:32:30,992 It definitely feels like my mom had to have been… 635 00:32:33,619 --> 00:32:36,831 obtained through means that your mother was not intending. 636 00:32:39,834 --> 00:32:40,710 Mm… 637 00:32:41,335 --> 00:32:42,294 Yeah. 638 00:32:44,088 --> 00:32:45,006 Phew. 639 00:32:47,550 --> 00:32:50,720 We don't have clear-cut proof that my great-grandmother knew, 640 00:32:50,803 --> 00:32:53,639 or even facilitated the adoption, but yet, for some reason, 641 00:32:53,723 --> 00:32:57,685 I think, my soul knows that my great-grandmother had some involvement in 642 00:32:57,768 --> 00:32:59,770 trying to give my mom a better life. 643 00:32:59,854 --> 00:33:03,607 That is literally all… I… my grandmother. 644 00:33:03,691 --> 00:33:08,154 The only connection I have to her now is going to be in this box, and that's it. 645 00:33:08,237 --> 00:33:10,781 [Clint] Yeah. So did you hold on to any of them? 646 00:33:10,865 --> 00:33:12,408 -Yeah. I did. -[Clint] At all? Did you? 647 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:15,578 I just had a minute with myself. I cried. 648 00:33:15,661 --> 00:33:18,539 I didn't feel or see anything or have any visions. 649 00:33:18,622 --> 00:33:20,708 You know, but, uh… 650 00:33:22,001 --> 00:33:23,586 This is a very humbling moment for me. 651 00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:27,381 As a medium, I'm used to holding on to everyone else's objects and connecting 652 00:33:27,465 --> 00:33:28,674 with their loved ones. 653 00:33:28,758 --> 00:33:32,053 I'm holding onto my own object, wearing it around my neck. 654 00:33:32,136 --> 00:33:33,554 And I felt nothing. 655 00:33:35,306 --> 00:33:36,682 -[Clint] Wow. -[Tyler] Yeah. 656 00:33:36,766 --> 00:33:40,811 Felt, like, for the first time, it felt like a… I don't know. 657 00:33:41,395 --> 00:33:43,564 It was a moment I felt like I wasn't a medium. 658 00:33:43,647 --> 00:33:45,316 I was just a human being. 659 00:33:45,816 --> 00:33:47,902 That was humbling. That's why I cried. 660 00:33:47,985 --> 00:33:51,739 Because I just thought, "Wow. I'm not feeling anything from it." 661 00:33:51,822 --> 00:33:55,201 "I'm just feeling sadness. Just like anybody else would feel." 662 00:33:57,203 --> 00:33:59,914 [producer] It's almost like this is your kryptonite. 663 00:33:59,997 --> 00:34:00,998 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 664 00:34:01,082 --> 00:34:04,752 The answers I give to others I so badly could benefit for myself. 665 00:34:04,835 --> 00:34:09,423 It almost feels like a universal, cosmic joke that I can do this for others, 666 00:34:09,507 --> 00:34:12,843 but then, when I need it most for myself, nothing happens. 667 00:34:12,927 --> 00:34:15,971 I would love for them to be like, "This is what happened," 668 00:34:16,055 --> 00:34:18,682 but I haven't gotten even an inkling of that. 669 00:34:19,558 --> 00:34:22,103 And in this case, it's just too close to home. 670 00:34:22,603 --> 00:34:25,773 -[Clint] Do you feel frustrated by that? -[Tyler] Yeah, it is frustrating. 671 00:34:25,856 --> 00:34:28,859 All it'd take is one person to come through and give me the answer. 672 00:34:29,735 --> 00:34:34,323 But that's why this pursuit has been so important to try to find sources 673 00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:37,201 to back up the narratives of what we suspect. 674 00:34:39,411 --> 00:34:43,833 I'm still trying to figure out exactly how that all pieces together. 675 00:34:48,671 --> 00:34:50,422 [atmospheric music playing] 676 00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:57,680 What do you think the difference between superstition and OCD is? 677 00:34:57,763 --> 00:35:00,975 -I think they're the same. -Yeah, it sounds like superstition. 678 00:35:01,058 --> 00:35:03,727 [Tyler] Yeah, no. It's, it's completely the same. 679 00:35:03,811 --> 00:35:07,106 I mean, I don't consider myself a superstitious person. 680 00:35:07,189 --> 00:35:08,691 Just kind of stitious. 681 00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,569 -I'm just kidding. That was dumb. -[cheers] 682 00:35:12,111 --> 00:35:14,864 -I'm semi-stitious. -[Tyler] Yeah, medium stitious. 683 00:35:19,869 --> 00:35:21,453 [woman] It's beautiful up here. 684 00:35:21,537 --> 00:35:24,540 My nerves are like going up. I'm like, "I need a shot." 685 00:35:24,623 --> 00:35:26,000 [laughing] 686 00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:28,586 -That's your problem. -[man] I know you hate that. 687 00:35:28,669 --> 00:35:30,004 Yes. That's your problem. 688 00:35:30,087 --> 00:35:33,340 [man] I feel like I do. Oh God. 689 00:35:33,424 --> 00:35:35,342 I'm, like, shaking. [laughs] 690 00:35:35,426 --> 00:35:37,261 Yeah, I'm nervous. 691 00:35:37,344 --> 00:35:40,431 You know, for the last few years, 692 00:35:40,514 --> 00:35:45,603 I told you something about myself I feel like you may have already known. 693 00:35:45,686 --> 00:35:48,147 Definitely makes me happy in my life 694 00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:49,940 that you're proud of me with everything I do. 695 00:35:50,024 --> 00:35:51,901 You know how your support is huge to me. 696 00:35:51,984 --> 00:35:54,862 I have people that passed away that were super close to me 697 00:35:54,945 --> 00:35:58,365 that I want to know are proud of me too. Or what if that person don't 698 00:35:58,449 --> 00:36:01,660 and then I'm… I guess they're kind of left wondering. 699 00:36:04,955 --> 00:36:06,582 -[Heather] Here we are. -[Tyler] All right. 700 00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:08,626 Oh, this is a tight little… 701 00:36:08,709 --> 00:36:10,085 Yeah, very tight, isn't it? 702 00:36:10,169 --> 00:36:14,465 -That's what he said. That's terrible. -Oh my God. Heather. 703 00:36:15,049 --> 00:36:15,966 [Heather] Oh God. 704 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:20,596 [Tyler] Ooh. 705 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:24,391 Pretty. Pretty, pretty. 706 00:36:24,475 --> 00:36:27,102 -Hello. How is everyone doing? -Hey. 707 00:36:27,186 --> 00:36:29,813 -Great. Thank you for coming. -[Tyler] Thank you for having me. 708 00:36:29,897 --> 00:36:33,359 -This is cool. What a beautiful view. -Yeah, it's amazing, right? 709 00:36:33,442 --> 00:36:34,360 [Tyler] Yes. 710 00:36:34,443 --> 00:36:37,613 I have my notebook here, and throughout this process, 711 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:38,948 you will see me scribble. 712 00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:40,658 -Okay. -I have stuff coming through. 713 00:36:40,741 --> 00:36:44,203 It's helpful. We'll talk about it. Did either of you bring objects? 714 00:36:44,286 --> 00:36:45,412 -I did. -I didn't. 715 00:36:45,496 --> 00:36:46,747 [man] These here are coins. 716 00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:49,250 Fabulous. So you can keep those there. 717 00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:52,920 -[man] And this as well. [laughs] -[Tyler] Oh, that. Cool. I love that. 718 00:36:53,003 --> 00:36:56,131 What I'll do is I'll scribble. I'll relay everything that comes in. 719 00:37:06,433 --> 00:37:08,936 All right, I have more than one person coming through. 720 00:37:09,019 --> 00:37:11,897 So people even connected not to this object but others as well. 721 00:37:11,981 --> 00:37:13,983 So the interesting thing with this 722 00:37:14,066 --> 00:37:16,944 is that there's this feeling of amusement that you're here 723 00:37:17,027 --> 00:37:18,320 or that you're sitting here. 724 00:37:18,404 --> 00:37:21,323 They're glad you made it, but I don't know if you were nervous, 725 00:37:21,407 --> 00:37:24,493 apprehensive, not really sure, but they're happy you're here. 726 00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:26,203 I feel I have to highlight this. 727 00:37:26,287 --> 00:37:30,374 On some level of family, you know, associations, people we know, 728 00:37:30,457 --> 00:37:33,836 a number of people within your family passed away at a very old age, 729 00:37:33,919 --> 00:37:37,172 and we're all good. It's not a big deal, but there's these couple, 730 00:37:37,256 --> 00:37:40,384 these two passings I have to talk about to me that feel premature. 731 00:37:44,763 --> 00:37:45,597 Okay. 732 00:37:47,308 --> 00:37:50,060 The older of the younger passings is interesting me more 733 00:37:50,144 --> 00:37:53,355 than the younger-younger one. Okay. 734 00:37:54,273 --> 00:37:56,775 This guy passed away more in the middle ground. 735 00:37:56,859 --> 00:37:58,819 I feel it's a male, the way it comes across. 736 00:37:58,902 --> 00:38:01,113 Do you know a male who passed away in middle age? 737 00:38:01,196 --> 00:38:03,824 -Yeah. -Okay. 'Cause I feel like he's important. 738 00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:10,372 Now, there is a situation… 739 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,624 Oh. [sighs] 740 00:38:13,834 --> 00:38:17,880 Somebody was in a really rough situation emotionally 741 00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:20,841 before they passed within how the family was changing. 742 00:38:20,924 --> 00:38:24,803 -I have to kind of explain this 'cause… -I got chills. 743 00:38:24,887 --> 00:38:27,806 [Tyler] If someone's in the middle of a breakup, 744 00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:32,895 or a custody battle or, like, were at a kind of contentious time, 745 00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:36,148 and then this person dies. This is what they're giving me. 746 00:38:36,231 --> 00:38:38,400 -Really clearly. Does that make any sense? -[woman] Yes. 747 00:38:38,484 --> 00:38:41,445 So that seems pretty significant. Who would that be for? 748 00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:45,449 Do you want to know everything? 749 00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:50,371 [theme music playing]