1 00:00:08,593 --> 00:00:10,386 [somber music playing] 2 00:00:17,185 --> 00:00:18,811 [woman] This is the crime scene. 3 00:00:21,355 --> 00:00:24,108 Do you get the feeling of anything come through? 4 00:00:28,780 --> 00:00:29,739 Yeah. 5 00:00:32,450 --> 00:00:33,534 It's overwhelming. 6 00:00:35,411 --> 00:00:36,287 Whoo. 7 00:00:48,174 --> 00:00:50,510 [Tyler] The mother of the victim is grieving. 8 00:00:50,593 --> 00:00:53,137 She lost her son in a horrific way. 9 00:00:53,638 --> 00:00:56,724 She deserves to have the answer as to what happened. 10 00:00:57,433 --> 00:01:00,561 My goal is to be able to give her clarification and answers 11 00:01:00,645 --> 00:01:04,440 in a way that allows her to move forward with a sense of healing. 12 00:01:04,982 --> 00:01:07,652 This is coming through as a hit-and-run feeling to me. 13 00:01:08,653 --> 00:01:11,739 I don't feel it happened somewhere else, and he was dumped here. 14 00:01:11,823 --> 00:01:13,074 It's not that kind of thing. 15 00:01:24,168 --> 00:01:26,838 I feel like I'm almost on the verge of a panic attack. 16 00:01:28,548 --> 00:01:31,634 And with all of the traffic and whooshing by me, 17 00:01:31,717 --> 00:01:36,139 it felt like I was taken back to the time that he passed. 18 00:01:37,807 --> 00:01:38,683 Whoo. 19 00:01:40,143 --> 00:01:41,144 Yeah. Whoo. 20 00:01:44,313 --> 00:01:46,440 [uneasy music playing] 21 00:01:46,524 --> 00:01:48,609 [Tyler] I wonder if he was listening to music 22 00:01:48,693 --> 00:01:51,404 'cause I feel distracted, is the way I can describe it. 23 00:01:51,487 --> 00:01:54,949 -[woman] Yes. Right. -So I'll have to probably ask Mom. 24 00:01:55,032 --> 00:01:57,785 If he had a habit of listening to music when he would walk. 25 00:02:00,371 --> 00:02:03,207 What I do know for sure is this person knows they did it. 26 00:02:03,791 --> 00:02:07,044 So the person who hit him, it would've been extremely obvious. 27 00:02:07,128 --> 00:02:09,088 While it feels accidental, 28 00:02:09,172 --> 00:02:13,467 I feel like the person who did this had zero regard for his life. 29 00:02:13,551 --> 00:02:15,887 And had no problem just continuing on. 30 00:02:15,970 --> 00:02:17,263 Which is hateful. 31 00:02:17,346 --> 00:02:20,600 It's extremely hateful. There's a feeling of, "I don't pull over." 32 00:02:20,683 --> 00:02:22,393 -[woman] Right. -"I don't even care." 33 00:02:25,354 --> 00:02:27,690 Uh, but this information, it's very helpful. 34 00:02:27,773 --> 00:02:29,859 -I'm gonna be able to talk to Mom. -[woman] Absolutely. 35 00:02:29,942 --> 00:02:32,612 -[Tyler] And see what else comes through. -That would be great. 36 00:02:32,695 --> 00:02:34,238 [Tyler] Thank you for taking me here. 37 00:02:41,454 --> 00:02:45,208 In going to see Aaron's mom, my hope is to really connect with her son 38 00:02:45,291 --> 00:02:47,919 in a way that's different than at the crime scene. 39 00:02:48,002 --> 00:02:49,629 This is a grieving mother, 40 00:02:49,712 --> 00:02:53,549 and despite the mysterious circumstances that led to her son's passing, 41 00:02:53,633 --> 00:02:54,717 she needs help. 42 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,929 She needs validation and she needs a sense of reconnection. 43 00:03:07,939 --> 00:03:09,857 -I'll let you know what happens. -[woman] Okay. 44 00:03:09,941 --> 00:03:11,442 -I'll see you shortly. -Thank you. 45 00:03:11,525 --> 00:03:12,652 Thank you. 46 00:03:20,785 --> 00:03:25,122 The reason I hired Robin is that there's never gonna be a closure for me. 47 00:03:25,206 --> 00:03:27,333 But I need peace. I need justice. 48 00:03:27,416 --> 00:03:30,002 I need people who actually did this, a part of it… 49 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:35,925 to man up and be accountable for what they did. 50 00:03:37,843 --> 00:03:39,262 -[knocking] -[mother] Oh! 51 00:03:39,845 --> 00:03:41,055 [sniffles] 52 00:03:41,138 --> 00:03:42,098 [knocking] 53 00:03:42,682 --> 00:03:43,683 [crying] 54 00:03:46,102 --> 00:03:48,229 Hello! I'm Tyler. 55 00:03:48,312 --> 00:03:49,522 Oh! 56 00:03:50,106 --> 00:03:51,274 How's it goin'? 57 00:03:52,024 --> 00:03:53,109 -Oh! -[crying] 58 00:03:53,192 --> 00:03:56,988 It's okay. It's okay. Give me a hug. I know. 59 00:03:57,071 --> 00:04:00,533 -No way. -I know. It's overwhelming. 60 00:04:01,033 --> 00:04:02,910 It's okay. How are you? 61 00:04:02,994 --> 00:04:05,538 -Oh my gosh. -It's nice to meet you. 62 00:04:05,621 --> 00:04:08,332 I know this is overwhelming. It is all okay. 63 00:04:08,416 --> 00:04:09,875 -All okay. -I gotta sit down. 64 00:04:09,959 --> 00:04:11,335 -Let's sit down. -Oh my gosh. 65 00:04:11,419 --> 00:04:15,047 Absolutely. We can sit here, yeah. We'll get you all comfortable. 66 00:04:15,131 --> 00:04:16,632 I'm happy to be here with you. 67 00:04:17,216 --> 00:04:18,217 Thank you so much. 68 00:04:18,301 --> 00:04:21,929 Sometimes people do bring objects or want me to hold onto objects. 69 00:04:22,013 --> 00:04:23,222 -Do you have any? -[mother] Yes. 70 00:04:23,306 --> 00:04:25,266 -If you don't mind grabbing 'em. -Okay. 71 00:04:28,811 --> 00:04:32,898 -Oh, amazing. I love it. Very cool. -They're ties. 72 00:04:33,441 --> 00:04:35,443 [Tyler] Thank you. Beautiful. 73 00:04:35,526 --> 00:04:38,779 I'll just put these here, and I may hold onto them at various times, 74 00:04:38,863 --> 00:04:40,823 just to kind of help make a connection, but… 75 00:04:41,365 --> 00:04:43,576 -We will see what comes in. -[mother] Okay. 76 00:04:43,659 --> 00:04:46,787 Just to let you know, 'cause I know you're not aware of much of 77 00:04:46,871 --> 00:04:47,830 what I did earlier, 78 00:04:47,913 --> 00:04:51,125 but I went to the scene of where your son passed. 79 00:04:51,208 --> 00:04:53,836 I'm so sorry that you had to experience that. 80 00:04:53,919 --> 00:04:56,756 I went trying to see if I could get any impressions, 81 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,299 and I felt so much love. 82 00:04:58,382 --> 00:05:01,510 He is so much more than what happened to him, you know. 83 00:05:02,428 --> 00:05:05,973 So I do have to talk about a number of people coming in today. 84 00:05:06,057 --> 00:05:07,308 [mother] Yes, sir. 85 00:05:07,892 --> 00:05:10,227 [Tyler] When I'm connecting on your mom's side, 86 00:05:10,311 --> 00:05:13,814 I have a number of people from her side of family, all barging in, 87 00:05:13,898 --> 00:05:17,860 and they're together, and they're happy, and they're with your son. 88 00:05:18,444 --> 00:05:21,280 This might sound weird, but are there any instances 89 00:05:21,364 --> 00:05:26,452 within your mom's side of family where a woman's name got repeated? 90 00:05:27,912 --> 00:05:29,830 -There's two "I" names. -[mother chuckles] 91 00:05:29,914 --> 00:05:32,792 [Tyler] Are there two "I" names that we know of? 92 00:05:33,542 --> 00:05:34,919 Can you tell me what they are? 93 00:05:35,002 --> 00:05:36,879 -Iris. -Okay. And then? 94 00:05:36,962 --> 00:05:37,838 [mother] Iris. 95 00:05:39,507 --> 00:05:41,884 -Iris and Iris. -Oh, Iris and Iris. Double-- 96 00:05:41,967 --> 00:05:43,677 That's why I'm seeing double "I." 97 00:05:43,761 --> 00:05:46,514 -It's weird. They're implied differently. -Oh my God. 98 00:05:50,184 --> 00:05:53,229 There's a couple things. I was getting a double-eight connection. 99 00:05:53,312 --> 00:05:58,109 -[shrieks] -[Tyler] It's okay, but there's eights. 100 00:05:58,192 --> 00:06:00,027 I'm seeing eights over and over again. 101 00:06:00,111 --> 00:06:03,114 It usually refers to either eight the age, 102 00:06:03,197 --> 00:06:06,784 eight the number, but it can also refer, weirdly, to the month of August 103 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:08,869 within the family, as being important. 104 00:06:08,953 --> 00:06:13,416 -Does that make sense? Okay. -Yes, sir. 8-8-95, Aaron was born. 105 00:06:13,499 --> 00:06:17,878 I see eights all the time. All the time. 106 00:06:17,962 --> 00:06:20,714 -If I'm driving, eight, eight, eight. -[Tyler] Yeah. 107 00:06:21,424 --> 00:06:22,800 He's coming across. 108 00:06:22,883 --> 00:06:25,970 He's trying to make me laugh when he's coming in. [chuckles] 109 00:06:26,053 --> 00:06:28,639 Giving funny faces, and when he comes through, 110 00:06:28,722 --> 00:06:31,517 there's this feeling of just such joy. 111 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,185 -Gives me a smile. -That's my son. 112 00:06:33,269 --> 00:06:34,937 -It looks like your smile. -Yes! 113 00:06:35,020 --> 00:06:37,648 There's a feeling of, if he could look like anybody, 114 00:06:37,731 --> 00:06:41,819 he wanted to look like you. He's like, "If I'm gonna resemble anyone, 115 00:06:41,902 --> 00:06:44,864 what an honor to be able to look like my mom." 116 00:06:44,947 --> 00:06:46,782 -That's my baby. -[Tyler] Yeah. 117 00:06:47,283 --> 00:06:50,453 He also comes through with the feeling of never being able to, like, 118 00:06:50,536 --> 00:06:52,705 "I'm not someone who would hurt a fly." Very much. 119 00:06:52,788 --> 00:06:55,624 He's even joking me with, he may have saved some animals. 120 00:06:55,708 --> 00:06:58,586 He loves, he loves… We have a little cat, Hippie. 121 00:06:58,669 --> 00:07:00,254 -[Tyler] Yeah. -He loves Hippie. 122 00:07:00,337 --> 00:07:03,257 -He would take care of her. -Absolutely. 123 00:07:03,340 --> 00:07:05,426 But we rescued two dogs, 124 00:07:05,509 --> 00:07:08,095 then went and got the third 'cause it was a brother. 125 00:07:08,179 --> 00:07:09,472 -So yeah. -[Tyler] Yeah. 126 00:07:13,017 --> 00:07:14,602 He has a message about his dad, 127 00:07:14,685 --> 00:07:16,687 but I have to articulate that carefully. 128 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:18,063 -Yes. -[Tyler] Um… 129 00:07:20,191 --> 00:07:22,485 He sees how much you've had to do independently. 130 00:07:22,568 --> 00:07:25,779 And how maybe someone could extend the olive branch, 131 00:07:25,863 --> 00:07:28,949 or help out a little more, and maybe has kinda stepped back. 132 00:07:29,450 --> 00:07:34,246 His dad now lives in the Philippines and really disowned him. 133 00:07:34,330 --> 00:07:35,372 Yeah. 134 00:07:35,873 --> 00:07:38,667 So I had to handle a lot on my own. 135 00:07:38,751 --> 00:07:42,171 Yeah. He's not angry, but he realizes it for what it is, 136 00:07:42,254 --> 00:07:43,714 and you were always his rock. 137 00:07:43,797 --> 00:07:45,716 -Always. Still am. -You were always his rock. 138 00:07:47,843 --> 00:07:49,011 [sighs] 139 00:07:49,094 --> 00:07:50,304 [soft music playing] 140 00:07:52,348 --> 00:07:55,392 [mother] I lost the most important person in my entire life. 141 00:07:55,893 --> 00:07:57,102 My only son. 142 00:07:57,978 --> 00:07:59,813 He didn't do anything to anyone, 143 00:07:59,897 --> 00:08:02,191 except wanna love someone and pray for you. 144 00:08:03,817 --> 00:08:08,531 And I lost him. It's hard to imagine going on without him. 145 00:08:09,865 --> 00:08:11,492 We had so many plans. 146 00:08:12,701 --> 00:08:15,829 The last time I saw my son, Aaron, it was late at night 147 00:08:15,913 --> 00:08:17,164 and a lot of long hours, 148 00:08:17,248 --> 00:08:19,875 and I remember coming in, and I was in a mood. 149 00:08:19,959 --> 00:08:21,627 I'm gonna be real. I was in a mood. 150 00:08:21,710 --> 00:08:24,380 He's following me up the stairs. He's like, "Give me a kiss." 151 00:08:24,463 --> 00:08:27,424 He always lifts me up and gives me a kiss, but I was in my mood. 152 00:08:27,508 --> 00:08:29,301 Then I was finally like… [kisses] 153 00:08:31,428 --> 00:08:34,682 I gave Aaron his first kiss and his last kiss. 154 00:08:36,183 --> 00:08:37,142 Hmm. 155 00:08:37,685 --> 00:08:38,519 I didn't know. 156 00:08:43,524 --> 00:08:45,067 [Tyler] When he comes across, 157 00:08:46,193 --> 00:08:48,696 there is, um, a couple things. 158 00:08:48,779 --> 00:08:53,701 He very much… When I was there earlier, and I wanna handle this sensitively. 159 00:08:53,784 --> 00:08:56,745 -But I also wanna be honest with you. -Yes, please. 160 00:08:56,829 --> 00:08:58,872 When I went to the scene earlier, 161 00:08:58,956 --> 00:09:02,334 I was struck by how much of a surprise this felt like. 162 00:09:02,418 --> 00:09:07,047 When I talk about an instant situation, it was one in the way this comes through. 163 00:09:07,548 --> 00:09:10,926 For some reason, I didn't get a visual of seeing what was happening. 164 00:09:11,010 --> 00:09:13,137 Feels almost behind me. 165 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:15,723 I know it's a weird thing to say, but when I was there, 166 00:09:15,806 --> 00:09:17,933 I was getting more my back than my front. 167 00:09:18,017 --> 00:09:23,355 I got back pain and started having what I described as spinal feeling. 168 00:09:23,439 --> 00:09:27,735 So… [sighs] This just happened extremely fast, 169 00:09:27,818 --> 00:09:30,904 and he really did not know that this was coming. 170 00:09:30,988 --> 00:09:32,114 Quite literally. 171 00:09:32,197 --> 00:09:33,407 Um… 172 00:09:33,490 --> 00:09:36,577 This was a path that he had gone through many times. 173 00:09:36,660 --> 00:09:39,830 This, he had, I feel like, been on this road before. 174 00:09:40,581 --> 00:09:41,749 Um… 175 00:09:41,832 --> 00:09:44,627 He also simultaneously knew how dangerous it was. 176 00:09:44,710 --> 00:09:46,629 So this is the interesting thing, 177 00:09:46,712 --> 00:09:49,381 is I think he had been warned before to be careful 178 00:09:49,465 --> 00:09:51,258 -on that particular road. -Right. 179 00:09:51,342 --> 00:09:52,509 -Does it make sense? -Yes. 180 00:09:52,593 --> 00:09:55,763 Yeah, and so he just gives me this impression of, 181 00:09:56,263 --> 00:09:59,308 feel like I'm closer to the road than I should be. 182 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:06,857 But beyond that, I felt distracted with noise in some way. 183 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,818 I have to ask, did he ever listen to music when he'd walk? 184 00:10:09,902 --> 00:10:11,820 He would, and I'd tell him not to. 185 00:10:11,904 --> 00:10:14,698 Okay. For you, what do you feel is fishy? 186 00:10:14,782 --> 00:10:16,492 We can talk about this and-- 187 00:10:16,575 --> 00:10:18,744 -I feel he was set up. Um… -[Tyler] Okay. 188 00:10:18,827 --> 00:10:22,623 Someone had threatened to do the same exact thing to him a year before. 189 00:10:23,374 --> 00:10:27,211 When I first worked on the case, when I got the folder in front of me, 190 00:10:27,711 --> 00:10:30,714 I felt that there was a theory involving a racist. 191 00:10:30,798 --> 00:10:34,176 It's just interesting that that theory came through the second… 192 00:10:34,259 --> 00:10:36,345 Granted, there was just a file folder. 193 00:10:36,428 --> 00:10:38,597 So I knew that was gonna be a theory 194 00:10:38,681 --> 00:10:41,266 that had been considered and brought up. 195 00:10:41,350 --> 00:10:46,772 But he doesn't come up with any feeling of blame, or judgment, or anger. 196 00:10:46,855 --> 00:10:50,734 Typically, when people are targeted or murdered, 197 00:10:50,818 --> 00:10:54,446 they will come through and say, "Look, this person did this to me." 198 00:10:55,531 --> 00:10:57,908 But I'm less inclined to think that… 199 00:10:59,368 --> 00:11:02,663 somebody targeted your son, or anything along those lines. Um… 200 00:11:02,746 --> 00:11:06,959 I don't feel like the person who did this knew him. 201 00:11:07,042 --> 00:11:08,585 It doesn't feel like that. 202 00:11:08,669 --> 00:11:11,255 The amount of cruelty in this situation is immense, 203 00:11:11,338 --> 00:11:13,882 obviously, for the fact that they just kept going, 204 00:11:13,966 --> 00:11:16,510 but he acknowledges that he went very fast. 205 00:11:16,593 --> 00:11:20,806 So it's not like he was, you know, lingering or suffering. 206 00:11:20,889 --> 00:11:24,810 -[indistinct] -He in his forgiving nature, is not angry. 207 00:11:25,310 --> 00:11:28,105 His soul is free. He is not angry. 208 00:11:28,689 --> 00:11:32,067 He did not hold on to this, and I feel like we're gonna make headway 209 00:11:32,151 --> 00:11:33,944 in determining who did this. 210 00:11:34,027 --> 00:11:37,281 I do feel like in the long run, justice will be served, 211 00:11:37,364 --> 00:11:40,909 and I feel like he feels that, but he is not angry. 212 00:11:41,410 --> 00:11:44,079 He is not angry. He is okay. 213 00:11:44,663 --> 00:11:45,539 [sighs] 214 00:11:46,749 --> 00:11:51,086 This is still very fresh, but as time goes on, you'll process this, 215 00:11:51,170 --> 00:11:54,047 and he's gonna be instrumental in being that voice in your ear. 216 00:11:54,131 --> 00:11:56,842 -Oh my God. -He's gonna be that voice in your ear. 217 00:11:56,925 --> 00:11:59,428 In that way, you'll always have a connection to him, 218 00:11:59,511 --> 00:12:00,679 I know it's not the same. 219 00:12:00,763 --> 00:12:02,931 -You'd give anything to just hug him. -Yeah. 220 00:12:03,015 --> 00:12:05,517 But I want you to know that we do reunite. 221 00:12:05,601 --> 00:12:08,645 There's a lot of beautiful work that you're gonna do in this world. 222 00:12:08,729 --> 00:12:11,565 This is not a goodbye. This is just a "See you later." 223 00:12:13,859 --> 00:12:19,114 This reading gave me hope that I haven't had in over a year and three weeks. 224 00:12:19,198 --> 00:12:23,452 -Yeah. -It's the first time I genuinely smiled. 225 00:12:23,535 --> 00:12:24,787 -[Tyler] Good. -On the inside. 226 00:12:30,167 --> 00:12:33,086 For him to come give me so much hope, so much love, 227 00:12:33,170 --> 00:12:35,464 so much joy, is what I need in my life. 228 00:12:35,547 --> 00:12:37,508 Thank you. 229 00:12:37,591 --> 00:12:38,425 [chuckles] 230 00:12:38,509 --> 00:12:41,512 Thank you, Tyler. Thank you, Tyler. Thank you. 231 00:12:42,846 --> 00:12:43,680 Thanks. 232 00:12:50,521 --> 00:12:51,563 Oh. 233 00:12:51,647 --> 00:12:53,106 That was intense. 234 00:12:53,190 --> 00:12:54,983 That love. You can feel his soul, 235 00:12:55,067 --> 00:12:56,485 and I have to tell you, 236 00:12:56,568 --> 00:12:59,613 he has so much gratitude for you for not giving up on him. 237 00:12:59,696 --> 00:13:00,989 -Yeah. -And you know what? 238 00:13:01,073 --> 00:13:03,075 This wouldn't have been possible without you. 239 00:13:03,158 --> 00:13:06,328 Oh, I appreciate it. You gave her something I couldn't give her. 240 00:13:06,411 --> 00:13:09,456 That the police couldn't give her, no institution could give her. 241 00:13:09,540 --> 00:13:11,959 Nobody would be able to. Doesn't matter what happened. 242 00:13:12,042 --> 00:13:15,003 -Nobody can. -Amazing. Thank you for everything. 243 00:13:15,504 --> 00:13:16,964 [vibrant music playing] 244 00:13:22,719 --> 00:13:24,805 I spent last night actually scrying 245 00:13:24,888 --> 00:13:26,557 a good portion of the evening. 246 00:13:27,057 --> 00:13:30,310 It's where you look in a mirror in a dark room and meditate. 247 00:13:30,394 --> 00:13:34,022 I did that in preparation for today and saw some interesting things. 248 00:13:34,106 --> 00:13:38,902 I had, like, a… someone in there, basically not super young, not super old, 249 00:13:38,986 --> 00:13:40,779 more that middle ground reference, 250 00:13:40,863 --> 00:13:44,950 and that seemed more obviously tragic, because of the timing of it. 251 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:50,330 And saw a man with, like, facial hair, a mustache and a beard. 252 00:13:50,414 --> 00:13:54,459 It was very creepy. That's the thing with looking into a mirror, 253 00:13:54,543 --> 00:13:57,254 or doing mirror gazing, is that it's kind of jolting, 254 00:13:57,337 --> 00:14:00,883 'cause you do see things in the mirror, and I don't really like that. 255 00:14:05,762 --> 00:14:07,180 [eerie music playing] 256 00:14:21,153 --> 00:14:25,449 [Tyler] Whoa. Stuff comin' in now. Hearing the jingle of car keys. 257 00:14:25,532 --> 00:14:27,367 [Theresa] Okay. What does that mean? 258 00:14:27,451 --> 00:14:30,287 I don't know. It's what I'm hearing. 259 00:14:30,871 --> 00:14:33,373 Car keys. I don't know. 260 00:14:37,085 --> 00:14:38,545 [vibrant music playing] 261 00:14:43,884 --> 00:14:45,719 -We're glad you're here. -Amazing. 262 00:14:45,802 --> 00:14:46,970 You got peaches. 263 00:14:47,054 --> 00:14:49,222 -In Georgia, you have to. -That's right. 264 00:14:49,306 --> 00:14:51,308 We have peach iced tea and peach pie for you. 265 00:14:51,892 --> 00:14:53,268 Look how big this ant is. 266 00:14:53,352 --> 00:14:56,021 Do you see this? It's like a nature documentary. 267 00:14:56,104 --> 00:14:57,689 He wants some of the peach tea too. 268 00:14:57,773 --> 00:15:00,609 -It's all good. So you're Kylie. -I'm Kylie, yes. 269 00:15:00,692 --> 00:15:02,069 -Your name is? -Kathy. 270 00:15:02,152 --> 00:15:04,488 -[Tyler] Do you have an object for us? -I do. Hold that. 271 00:15:04,571 --> 00:15:06,865 -[Tyler] So I'm gonna hold onto this. -[Kylie] Okay. 272 00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:08,909 [Tyler] I'll start scribbling and see what happens, 273 00:15:08,992 --> 00:15:11,286 and I'll start relaying everything that comes. 274 00:15:12,579 --> 00:15:13,413 [sighs] 275 00:15:13,497 --> 00:15:17,960 Okay. We got that, that, that, that. 276 00:15:18,043 --> 00:15:21,254 Okay, come through. Come through. I got you. 277 00:15:23,131 --> 00:15:25,968 There's someone who I thought would be here, but they're not. 278 00:15:26,969 --> 00:15:29,972 Did you consider anybody else potentially being here today? 279 00:15:30,055 --> 00:15:32,516 -To the reading… Yes. -[Tyler] Okay, and they didn't… 280 00:15:32,599 --> 00:15:34,935 They weren't able to make it. Was this is a female? 281 00:15:35,018 --> 00:15:36,895 -[Kylie] Yes. -I have to highlight that person. 282 00:15:38,271 --> 00:15:39,398 [chuckles] 283 00:15:42,359 --> 00:15:43,193 Okay. 284 00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:49,700 Okay, so this is kind of weird, but he's referencing to… 285 00:15:50,701 --> 00:15:52,369 time of his passing. 286 00:15:52,452 --> 00:15:55,539 There's a lot here. Do you know of any Williams in the family? 287 00:15:55,622 --> 00:15:58,000 -I have a William. -You have a William. Is he passed? 288 00:15:58,083 --> 00:16:01,586 -[Kathy] Yes. -Okay, so I'm gonna do "mom," "son" there. 289 00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:02,963 "Williams." 290 00:16:03,547 --> 00:16:05,424 There's a joke about rival sports teams, 291 00:16:05,507 --> 00:16:06,967 or something along those lines. 292 00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:09,136 -[Kylie] Oh my God. -[Tyler] The one off in the family. 293 00:16:09,219 --> 00:16:12,139 If we have a whole group of people who are a fan of a team, 294 00:16:12,222 --> 00:16:14,683 then we have one person who deviates from that, 295 00:16:14,766 --> 00:16:16,184 and it's like, "Ha, ha." 296 00:16:16,268 --> 00:16:18,895 'Cause William… They were all from University of Florida. 297 00:16:18,979 --> 00:16:22,024 My sister and I went to Florida State. 298 00:16:22,107 --> 00:16:24,818 -We were the rebels. -[Kylie] In the South, that's a big deal. 299 00:16:24,901 --> 00:16:26,528 -I love it! Got you. -[laughing] 300 00:16:26,611 --> 00:16:28,613 -[Tyler] So we have the William stuff. -Yes. 301 00:16:28,697 --> 00:16:30,949 We have our guy here. What was his first name? 302 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:34,870 -[Kathy] Uh, Dennis. -Okay. We're gonna put "Dennis" there, 303 00:16:34,953 --> 00:16:37,539 "William" over there. So it'll help me mentally separate. 304 00:16:37,622 --> 00:16:41,084 Dennis, Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. Let's see here. 305 00:16:42,377 --> 00:16:45,005 Hmm. Okay. Dennis, Dennis. 306 00:16:47,049 --> 00:16:48,008 All right. 307 00:16:48,508 --> 00:16:52,471 So yeah, they will do this, but he's referencing to after he passed, 308 00:16:52,554 --> 00:16:55,432 a self-consciousness around… sometimes people will decide to do 309 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:57,476 an open casket or a closed casket. 310 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:00,645 He's not wanting to be remembered by how he looked after. 311 00:17:00,729 --> 00:17:03,398 -He's showing a symbolically close thing. -Okay. 312 00:17:03,482 --> 00:17:07,360 He doesn't strike me as passing away super young, but he's not giving me old. 313 00:17:07,444 --> 00:17:09,404 -[Kylie] Okay. -[Tyler] He should've had more time. 314 00:17:09,488 --> 00:17:10,906 How old was Dennis when he passed? 315 00:17:10,989 --> 00:17:12,949 -Forties. -Yeah, in his 40s. 316 00:17:16,453 --> 00:17:19,706 Huh! Showed me car keys, [laughs] weirdly, with this. 317 00:17:19,790 --> 00:17:21,958 -Do we have his car keys? -[Kylie] Don't think so. 318 00:17:22,042 --> 00:17:24,878 -Do we know what happened to his car keys? -[Kylie] I don't. 319 00:17:24,961 --> 00:17:26,963 I don't know why I'm getting this car key. 320 00:17:27,047 --> 00:17:29,549 I've been hearing it on the way here. Like, jingle. 321 00:17:29,633 --> 00:17:30,634 Um… 322 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:32,803 -We'll circle back. Gonna write it down. -[Kylie] Okay. 323 00:17:32,886 --> 00:17:35,514 "Car… keys." All right. 324 00:17:38,683 --> 00:17:42,896 There is somebody, I suspect either filled up with fluids very quickly, 325 00:17:42,979 --> 00:17:46,483 or wasn't able to eliminate fluids from their body fully. 326 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:48,276 -Okay. -[Tyler] So there's something there. 327 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,570 And it feels like whatever this is filled up. 328 00:17:50,654 --> 00:17:54,491 I feel like I've filled up, and I can't… They're doing this to me right here. 329 00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:58,620 I'm very much going to my tummy. And I feel like I'm sitting like this. 330 00:17:58,703 --> 00:18:01,081 -Do you think it's Dennis? -I think it's Dennis. 331 00:18:01,164 --> 00:18:02,082 Yeah. 332 00:18:02,165 --> 00:18:03,125 [Tyler] Yeah. 333 00:18:04,876 --> 00:18:07,796 This is gonna sound ridiculous, but there's a funny story. 334 00:18:07,879 --> 00:18:10,507 This probably is not gonna make any sense right now, 335 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:14,261 because there's a story of somebody jumping out of a building… [laughs] 336 00:18:14,344 --> 00:18:16,221 …jumping from a roof onto the ground. 337 00:18:16,304 --> 00:18:20,016 There's something weird they're having me bring up to make fun of it, 338 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,435 in the way this comes across. What would that mean? 339 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,815 So his son used to go to their grandparents' house, 340 00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:28,817 and he'd jump off the roof. 341 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:32,112 We sat on the roof together. When Grandpa would come out to catch us, 342 00:18:32,195 --> 00:18:34,072 we'd have to run and jump off. 343 00:18:34,156 --> 00:18:37,242 Gotcha. It's a funny thing. Going up, and then like I'm jumping down, 344 00:18:37,325 --> 00:18:39,703 but in a comical sense. It's not how someone passed. 345 00:18:39,786 --> 00:18:41,288 It's a funny thing of like, yeah. 346 00:18:41,371 --> 00:18:43,456 -Like, "Run!" -[Kylie] It was one of our memories. 347 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:45,375 Being kids, and Grandpa coming outside, 348 00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:48,795 and we weren't supposed to be on the roof. You better get off fast. 349 00:18:48,879 --> 00:18:50,714 [Tyler] Gotcha. That kind of thing. 350 00:18:50,797 --> 00:18:53,341 -There's a joke around that, so. -That's crazy. 351 00:18:53,425 --> 00:18:54,718 They love to refer to things 352 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:58,054 that they know will be funny or kinda lighten the mood. 353 00:18:58,138 --> 00:18:59,556 There is that acknowledgment. 354 00:18:59,639 --> 00:19:00,599 You're good. 355 00:19:00,682 --> 00:19:02,726 -It's all good. -[Tyler] So I-- 356 00:19:02,809 --> 00:19:04,311 -[Kylie] It's incredible. -Yes. 357 00:19:04,394 --> 00:19:05,395 [Tyler] But, uh… 358 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:09,983 He's selective. I'm trying to get him to tell how he passed. It's going 359 00:19:10,066 --> 00:19:11,651 a little back and forth. 360 00:19:12,944 --> 00:19:15,488 Because he's showing me… okay. 361 00:19:15,989 --> 00:19:17,657 I get a feeling of not feeling good, 362 00:19:17,741 --> 00:19:19,951 but not wanting to talk about it or share that. 363 00:19:20,035 --> 00:19:22,746 -Yeah. -[Tyler] There's definitely a feeling of… 364 00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:25,373 I have to say with this, I'm hearing, sounds like 365 00:19:25,457 --> 00:19:27,709 a gunshot reference. That'd be connected to him? 366 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:29,753 I feel like I have to highlight that aspect. 367 00:19:31,963 --> 00:19:34,591 Interesting. He gave references to both him and his son. 368 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:37,594 Strange. Okay. Let me see here. 369 00:19:38,595 --> 00:19:42,098 I wonder if somebody around Dennis either accidentally shot themselves… 370 00:19:42,182 --> 00:19:45,769 I know it's a very weird thing to say, there's a story with a gun going off. 371 00:19:45,852 --> 00:19:49,981 And I feel a sense of, "Wow, there's kind of weirdness around this." 372 00:19:50,065 --> 00:19:52,943 It's not like… There's something strange there. 373 00:19:53,026 --> 00:19:54,569 -[Kylie] Yeah. -Does that make sense? 374 00:19:54,653 --> 00:19:55,654 -[Kylie] Yeah. -Very much. 375 00:19:55,737 --> 00:19:58,365 -I'm sorry 'cause it's-- -[Kylie] No, that's what you're here for. 376 00:19:58,448 --> 00:20:02,494 'Cause you bring up the emotions because it's right on point with Dennis. 377 00:20:02,577 --> 00:20:04,579 -[Tyler] Yeah, it's okay. -And his son. 378 00:20:04,663 --> 00:20:09,251 Yeah, there is definitely an element of, like, this feels… heavy. 379 00:20:09,334 --> 00:20:10,168 Um… 380 00:20:11,253 --> 00:20:12,712 We're gonna focus on his son. 381 00:20:12,796 --> 00:20:14,506 -What was his son's first name? -[Kylie] DJ. 382 00:20:14,589 --> 00:20:15,715 -DJ. Okay. -[Kylie] Yes. 383 00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:19,010 -[Kathy] The one that jumped off the roof. -[Tyler] Gotcha. 384 00:20:19,094 --> 00:20:21,054 -[Kylie] I have another object. -You do? Perfect. 385 00:20:21,137 --> 00:20:23,348 -And so this is for DJ? -Yes. 386 00:20:23,431 --> 00:20:26,434 Awesome. All right. Let me see what I can do here. 387 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:36,778 [sighs] This is a heavy one. This is really sad. Um… 388 00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:40,073 Comes through all good. 389 00:20:40,865 --> 00:20:43,785 Anytime they show hesitance around talking about their passing, 390 00:20:43,868 --> 00:20:45,578 it usually indicates, like, uh… 391 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:48,790 -They aren't proud with how it went. -[Kylie] Yeah. 392 00:20:48,873 --> 00:20:51,084 [Tyler] I don't believe they hold onto shame, 393 00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:53,003 but there's this feeling of, 394 00:20:53,086 --> 00:20:55,672 "Ah, if I could do it over, wouldn't have gone this way." 395 00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:58,049 He's bringing up this feeling of like, 396 00:20:59,175 --> 00:21:02,262 "Darn, that was dumb. I shouldn't have gone that way." 397 00:21:02,345 --> 00:21:06,141 He's not giving me the full, "I completely intended to end my life." 398 00:21:06,224 --> 00:21:09,436 -It struck me like, Russian roulette. -[Kathy] Thank you. 399 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:13,481 Unconsciously, either being reckless or doing something they shouldn't be doing, 400 00:21:13,565 --> 00:21:14,983 and then something happens. 401 00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:17,527 They may not have planned to end it all, 402 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:21,323 but they put themselves in such a position where that they led to their death. 403 00:21:21,406 --> 00:21:24,743 So it's kind of a feeling of, like, reckless is what comes through. 404 00:21:24,826 --> 00:21:27,037 -Versus, like, "I wanted out." -[Kathy] Intentionally. 405 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,413 Yeah. That makes sense. 406 00:21:28,496 --> 00:21:30,874 [Tyler] That said, I think there was some depression 407 00:21:30,957 --> 00:21:32,625 that his son dealt with. 408 00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:35,211 In talking about DJ, obviously, that's a lot there. 409 00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:38,673 I just wanna know who he was to you and what happened. 410 00:21:38,757 --> 00:21:40,508 Yeah. So DJ was my cousin. 411 00:21:40,592 --> 00:21:43,303 We were really close as kids growing up together. 412 00:21:43,386 --> 00:21:45,138 And pretty close in age as well. 413 00:21:45,221 --> 00:21:48,767 And he committed suicide right after I graduated college. 414 00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:50,560 -Gotcha. -[Kylie] But yeah. 415 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:54,272 So he was the one that tragically and suddenly passed away. 416 00:21:54,356 --> 00:21:58,026 It made sense, like you were saying. I don't think that was his intention. 417 00:21:58,109 --> 00:22:00,236 I think that he got in that dark headspace 418 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,075 and had access to something that, made a really final decision for him. 419 00:22:05,158 --> 00:22:08,328 [voice breaks] Yeah. And it was a real big tragedy for our family. 420 00:22:08,411 --> 00:22:09,454 [Tyler] Yeah, absolutely. 421 00:22:09,537 --> 00:22:12,916 Unfortunately, his father is the one that died before him. 422 00:22:12,999 --> 00:22:16,002 And committed suicide. They both killed themselves with guns. 423 00:22:16,086 --> 00:22:19,589 -[Tyler] I see. -So, and the mom found both of them. 424 00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:21,132 -Yeah. Wow. -[Kathy] So, you know-- 425 00:22:21,216 --> 00:22:22,801 [Kylie] Separate occasions, years apart. 426 00:22:22,884 --> 00:22:23,927 But she was-- 427 00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:26,221 [Kathy] So yeah. She's a very strong person. 428 00:22:26,304 --> 00:22:28,973 And she was the one that if anybody we would want have 429 00:22:29,057 --> 00:22:30,517 at the reading, would be her. 430 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,936 So I'm so glad you heard from them. 431 00:22:33,019 --> 00:22:36,689 So we can share with her some of the great information. 432 00:22:36,773 --> 00:22:37,857 It'll give her peace. 433 00:22:37,941 --> 00:22:41,277 Good. Yeah, I think she was the one that should've been here today. 434 00:22:41,361 --> 00:22:42,570 But she didn't have to be. 435 00:22:42,654 --> 00:22:44,697 -You guys can give her gift. -[Kathy] Absolutely. 436 00:22:44,781 --> 00:22:46,825 And let her know that they don't… 437 00:22:47,325 --> 00:22:50,120 They don't want that image seared in her mind forever. 438 00:22:50,203 --> 00:22:51,162 -Yeah. -Right. 439 00:22:51,246 --> 00:22:54,457 [Tyler] Especially with Dennis, I will say he did give me a distinct feeling 440 00:22:54,541 --> 00:22:56,709 of not feeling well, physically even, 441 00:22:56,793 --> 00:22:59,504 before a good amount of time leading up to his passing. 442 00:22:59,587 --> 00:23:02,340 So I think if his life hadn't ended the way that it did, 443 00:23:02,424 --> 00:23:04,259 it was probably going to end anyway. 444 00:23:04,342 --> 00:23:05,844 -[Kathy] It was. -Just a different way. 445 00:23:05,927 --> 00:23:09,472 I think that was the rationale there for him to be able to do that, so. 446 00:23:09,556 --> 00:23:12,392 [Kathy] So Dennis was my husband's brother. 447 00:23:12,475 --> 00:23:14,602 They did an autopsy after he passed away, 448 00:23:14,686 --> 00:23:19,941 and if he had not died by suicide, he would have died from liver failure. 449 00:23:20,024 --> 00:23:21,901 -Makes sense. Yeah. -[Kylie] Yep. 450 00:23:21,985 --> 00:23:24,112 On some level, he had to be aware of that 451 00:23:24,195 --> 00:23:26,656 because he gives me too much of a feeling of, 452 00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:28,908 "I knew, but didn't want others to know." 453 00:23:28,992 --> 00:23:31,911 -Yeah. That makes sense. -[Tyler] It's a tough position. 454 00:23:31,995 --> 00:23:35,081 -People don't want to suffer. It's hard. -[Kathy] Right. Yeah. 455 00:23:35,582 --> 00:23:38,960 So before the reading, we were asked to write stuff down, 456 00:23:39,043 --> 00:23:41,504 of messages we hoped to come through. 457 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:44,424 -Nobody saw these before. -Nope. 458 00:23:44,507 --> 00:23:46,718 So I wrote, "Roof." 459 00:23:46,801 --> 00:23:48,803 I wrote, "Favorite cousin," 460 00:23:48,887 --> 00:23:51,639 and then, like, "River," talking about Florida. 461 00:23:51,723 --> 00:23:54,100 So that was all pretty much hit on as well. 462 00:23:54,184 --> 00:23:56,644 That was my big key of, 463 00:23:56,728 --> 00:23:59,814 "Hey, this is something I haven't talked to production about." 464 00:23:59,898 --> 00:24:02,442 "I haven't talked to Mom. I haven't talked to anybody." 465 00:24:02,525 --> 00:24:03,943 "So let's talk about the roof." 466 00:24:05,028 --> 00:24:09,407 [voice breaks] Just happy that we just got some really good information from them, 467 00:24:09,491 --> 00:24:12,243 'cause they're not here. Their lives were cut short. 468 00:24:16,581 --> 00:24:17,957 [woman] Hey, Kylie. 469 00:24:18,041 --> 00:24:21,211 Hey, Aunt Laurie. The big thing that he kept referencing 470 00:24:21,294 --> 00:24:24,297 is a third person that wasn't here today. 471 00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:26,716 And we, of course, immediately thought of you. 472 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,009 [Laurie] That is unreal. 473 00:24:28,092 --> 00:24:31,304 He was referencing some keys, and jingling keys. 474 00:24:31,387 --> 00:24:36,059 [Laurie] I have, like, three sets of keychains of Dennis and DJ's. 475 00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:37,268 Oh my God. 476 00:24:37,352 --> 00:24:41,189 [Laurie] I can't tell you how many times the two of them would lose the keys. 477 00:24:41,272 --> 00:24:43,066 -That's so funny. -[Kathy] My god. 478 00:24:43,149 --> 00:24:44,984 -[Laurie] I have all those keys. -Oh, wow. 479 00:24:45,068 --> 00:24:48,363 [Kylie] Did Uncle Dennis used to do anything about feeling uncomfortable, 480 00:24:48,446 --> 00:24:50,281 or putting his hands on his stomach? 481 00:24:50,365 --> 00:24:55,078 [Laurie] He, uh, used to press on his stomach underneath his rib cage, 482 00:24:55,161 --> 00:24:58,039 and kept telling me it was heartburn and how that hurt. 483 00:24:58,122 --> 00:24:59,541 -[Kathy]Yeah. -[Kylie] It's so crazy. 484 00:24:59,624 --> 00:25:00,750 [Kathy] It was incredible. 485 00:25:00,833 --> 00:25:03,753 [Laurie] Wow. How awesome. How awesome. 486 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,425 [vibrant music playing] 487 00:25:12,345 --> 00:25:15,557 -[Theresa] I'm glad you had a good day. -I did. It was great. 488 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,060 [Theresa] But just try to enjoy every day because you know what? 489 00:25:19,143 --> 00:25:21,479 -Life goes so fast. -[Tyler] Oh yeah. 490 00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:23,314 [Theresa] You get Monday and Tuesday off. 491 00:25:23,398 --> 00:25:25,817 Maybe you could go outside and get a walk in. 492 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:28,903 -There's never anyone there. -Zero interest in going outside. 493 00:25:28,987 --> 00:25:31,447 [Theresa] No one will bother you. You can't stay in bed. 494 00:25:31,531 --> 00:25:33,408 -It's not healthy. -Wanna bet? 495 00:25:33,491 --> 00:25:36,411 -[Theresa] No, on a serious note-- -I get up to walk around, and I go pee. 496 00:25:36,494 --> 00:25:38,204 [Theresa] Your ass is gonna fuse to that bed. 497 00:25:38,288 --> 00:25:39,706 -You know what? -[Theresa] Literally. 498 00:25:39,789 --> 00:25:42,417 It's gonna be fused to the sheets. You're gonna get bedsores. 499 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,586 You know what? You need to tone it down. 500 00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:47,338 You can't lay in bed. It's not healthy. You're exhausted, 501 00:25:47,422 --> 00:25:50,258 and your job takes a lot of physical and emotional strength. 502 00:25:50,341 --> 00:25:51,384 I walk to the bathroom. 503 00:25:51,467 --> 00:25:54,804 [Theresa] Yeah. Oh, BFD. You know what "BFD" means? 504 00:25:55,305 --> 00:25:57,807 Big effing deal. Okay? 505 00:25:57,890 --> 00:26:00,101 -You know what, little woman? -[Theresa] Yes. 506 00:26:00,184 --> 00:26:03,313 -[chuckles] I love you so much, Tyler. -[Tyler] I love you. 507 00:26:05,064 --> 00:26:08,818 -That was a gorgeous man on a lawn mower. -[Theresa] Do you want me to turn around? 508 00:26:08,901 --> 00:26:10,069 [chuckles] 509 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:12,614 [soft music playing] 510 00:26:28,296 --> 00:26:32,383 [chuckles] No, real technical way to get it on the canvas there. 511 00:26:32,467 --> 00:26:35,136 [gentle music playing] 512 00:26:36,804 --> 00:26:39,891 [Tyler] After a reading, I have natural processes I go through 513 00:26:39,974 --> 00:26:43,603 to cleanse myself of the energy and the weight. I take a shower. 514 00:26:43,686 --> 00:26:45,355 Literal physical bathing helps. 515 00:26:45,438 --> 00:26:48,232 I meditate. I paint. I try to spend more time alone 516 00:26:48,816 --> 00:26:50,860 in order to try to shake it off. 517 00:26:51,527 --> 00:26:54,739 I don't know. I think this one's gonna get painted over. [laughs] 518 00:26:54,822 --> 00:26:56,824 Kinda looks like an inflamed butt. 519 00:26:57,784 --> 00:27:00,662 This is like the end product. It's the ring of fire. 520 00:27:00,745 --> 00:27:02,997 That's what I'm gonna call it. "Ring of Fire." 521 00:27:03,831 --> 00:27:06,501 It's objectively bad, but let's see. 522 00:27:06,584 --> 00:27:07,418 Um… 523 00:27:08,127 --> 00:27:09,754 Yeah, we'll do a bit of that. 524 00:27:13,007 --> 00:27:16,427 [dramatic music playing] 525 00:27:21,432 --> 00:27:22,684 [sighs deeply] 526 00:27:26,896 --> 00:27:29,816 -Good sign is I have a lot coming through. -[Theresa] Good. 527 00:27:34,195 --> 00:27:37,031 -Yeah, I'm seeing baseball… -Really? 528 00:27:37,115 --> 00:27:38,074 I'm seeing, uh… 529 00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:40,076 [clicks tongue] 530 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:44,831 Like, awards, but I think they're awards somebody got when they were alive, 531 00:27:44,914 --> 00:27:47,667 and they're no longer alive, but we still have their awards. 532 00:27:55,383 --> 00:27:57,009 [vibrant music playing] 533 00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:11,107 [Tyler] Wow. 534 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:12,984 [woman] So is this your first time here? 535 00:28:13,067 --> 00:28:16,446 [Tyler] It is. I did get a reference to the sports connections here. 536 00:28:16,529 --> 00:28:19,907 -Oh, wow. -This is surreal. 537 00:28:19,991 --> 00:28:20,825 [laughing] 538 00:28:20,908 --> 00:28:27,248 It is a special place. You know, it played a big role in the 1984 Olympics. 539 00:28:27,331 --> 00:28:29,917 -Oh okay. -But what year were you born? 540 00:28:30,001 --> 00:28:32,628 In 1996. So a little before my time. 541 00:28:32,712 --> 00:28:34,464 I was floating around in the ether. 542 00:28:34,547 --> 00:28:38,050 -But yeah, what a beautiful place. -[laughs] Yes. 543 00:28:41,637 --> 00:28:45,850 I'm really hoping to connect with somebody who's really important to me. 544 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:49,145 It's been really hard the last couple of years. 545 00:28:49,228 --> 00:28:51,898 I felt isolated and alone. 546 00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:56,778 You know, he was somebody that I could always talk to, 547 00:28:56,861 --> 00:28:59,197 and I miss our conversations. 548 00:29:00,823 --> 00:29:04,660 I've been wondering, is he proud of what I've done? 549 00:29:09,165 --> 00:29:12,460 [Tyler] Okay. I woke up this morning, not expecting this, 550 00:29:12,543 --> 00:29:14,420 so I'm really excited. 551 00:29:14,504 --> 00:29:16,380 Before we start, what's your first name? 552 00:29:16,464 --> 00:29:18,549 -Jeanie. -[Tyler] Jeanie. Okay, cool. 553 00:29:18,633 --> 00:29:20,676 -Do you have any objects? -[Jeanie] I brought some. 554 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,969 Cool. 555 00:29:23,971 --> 00:29:25,097 Fabulous. 556 00:29:25,181 --> 00:29:26,516 [pen scribbles] 557 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:32,563 Great. So I'll tell you first what I got on my way here. 558 00:29:32,647 --> 00:29:35,399 I had this very masculine energy coming through. 559 00:29:35,483 --> 00:29:37,026 This guy who was just, like, 560 00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:40,613 intensely determined to try to come through and talk to you today. 561 00:29:40,696 --> 00:29:45,159 Very much like, "It's me. I'm here. You're gonna talk to her." 562 00:29:45,243 --> 00:29:48,788 And there was just this feeling of an extremely strong… 563 00:29:48,871 --> 00:29:50,581 Like when someone walks in the room, 564 00:29:50,665 --> 00:29:54,585 and he dominates attention, or almost like all eyeballs are on him. 565 00:29:54,669 --> 00:29:56,128 He was that kind of guy. 566 00:29:56,629 --> 00:29:59,507 The interesting thing, and I didn't know where we were meeting, 567 00:29:59,590 --> 00:30:02,718 but I was getting references like trophies, honors. 568 00:30:02,802 --> 00:30:06,389 It's giving me a lot of imagery of the things that we have that 569 00:30:06,472 --> 00:30:08,266 are more achievement-related. 570 00:30:08,349 --> 00:30:12,895 So things that someone might have done that warrants giving them a plaque, 571 00:30:12,979 --> 00:30:14,981 a trophy, a medal, that kind of thing. 572 00:30:15,064 --> 00:30:16,566 Does that fit the bill for him? 573 00:30:16,649 --> 00:30:18,943 -Yes. -[Tyler] Okay. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. 574 00:30:21,946 --> 00:30:26,576 He's having me acknowledge that his name was put on something, and it's not like a… 575 00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:30,329 I don't… I've sat on benches before where someone had their name on the bench. 576 00:30:30,413 --> 00:30:31,414 It's not like that. 577 00:30:31,497 --> 00:30:34,542 It's so obvious, we wouldn't be able to ignore it. 578 00:30:34,625 --> 00:30:36,669 -That's how I'd describe it. Make sense? -Yes. 579 00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:39,755 -[Tyler] Okay, cool. -He is definitely trying to impress you. 580 00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:44,468 He's showing you something you would understand and connect with. 581 00:30:44,552 --> 00:30:48,806 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, seems very important for him. 582 00:30:49,307 --> 00:30:50,474 Um… 583 00:30:52,268 --> 00:30:55,354 It's kind of a funny weird quirk that I'm gonna bring up. 584 00:30:55,438 --> 00:30:56,272 [Jeanie] Okay. 585 00:30:57,273 --> 00:30:59,358 If someone is financially comfortable, 586 00:30:59,442 --> 00:31:04,155 usually, they'll keep updating things, buying new things, adding to a collection. 587 00:31:04,238 --> 00:31:07,992 He's showing me this situation where if I have something, and it works, 588 00:31:08,075 --> 00:31:11,412 I don't need to buy a new one. But I feel like I held on to things. 589 00:31:11,495 --> 00:31:13,372 -Does that make sense? -Totally. 590 00:31:13,456 --> 00:31:16,417 But yet he was fully…. It's not like he was not well-off. 591 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:20,338 I mean, he could've totally done it, but he was showing me this feeling of, 592 00:31:20,963 --> 00:31:23,382 "If it works, you don't need to get a new one." 593 00:31:23,466 --> 00:31:26,218 But it's a quirk. It's a funny thing. Does that make sense? 594 00:31:26,302 --> 00:31:31,474 I… You have no idea how many times he had that conversation with me, 595 00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:35,686 because he had a couch in his office that was dated. 596 00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:38,481 And I thought, "Oh, I'll surprise him." 597 00:31:38,564 --> 00:31:42,693 And so he came into the office, and he was like, "Where is my couch?" 598 00:31:42,777 --> 00:31:45,404 I'm like, "No, look at the new one we got." 599 00:31:45,488 --> 00:31:49,200 And he goes, "How would you feel if I came to your house 600 00:31:49,867 --> 00:31:56,040 and took your favorite pair of slippers, and I replaced them with new slippers?" 601 00:31:56,123 --> 00:32:00,670 "That's how this feels to me. Like, you know, I like this." 602 00:32:00,753 --> 00:32:03,089 -[Tyler] If it's broke, don't fix it. -Right. 603 00:32:03,172 --> 00:32:05,758 [Tyler] Yeah. This is very much the feeling. 604 00:32:05,841 --> 00:32:08,052 It's funny and admirable. 605 00:32:08,135 --> 00:32:10,846 I mean, it shows that he wasn't all about stuff. 606 00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:14,976 But it's more practical. [laughs] It's really interesting. 607 00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:19,188 And then, um… Okay, I've got that. That. 608 00:32:22,817 --> 00:32:23,651 All right. 609 00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:27,363 I'm trying to figure out… getting more specifics. 610 00:32:27,446 --> 00:32:28,531 We'll get into it more. 611 00:32:32,785 --> 00:32:33,744 Um… 612 00:32:33,828 --> 00:32:37,415 I want you to know when he comes through, he feels like you knew him in a way 613 00:32:37,498 --> 00:32:40,418 that nobody else was ever able to fully get into. 614 00:32:40,501 --> 00:32:42,336 He showed me a nut. You cracked him. 615 00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:44,755 -You cracked it. You got in there. -[laughs] 616 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,591 And it's funny. He comes across, 617 00:32:47,675 --> 00:32:50,594 he gives me this feeling of, he was many things to many people, 618 00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:54,765 but I feel like to you, I feel like you knew the core of who this person was. 619 00:32:54,849 --> 00:32:59,228 And in many ways, there's this feeling of, like, just, I can be vulnerable, 620 00:32:59,311 --> 00:33:01,647 and there's an appreciation in there with that. 621 00:33:01,731 --> 00:33:03,315 You had to be everything to him 622 00:33:03,399 --> 00:33:08,154 because when this comes across, he's insistent, like, "This is my one." 623 00:33:08,237 --> 00:33:10,448 And it's really sweet. I just love that. 624 00:33:16,996 --> 00:33:18,205 Uh… 625 00:33:18,831 --> 00:33:21,417 He's bringing me to the last six months of his life. 626 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,502 -Okay. -[Tyler] He didn't want there to be any… 627 00:33:26,922 --> 00:33:28,299 frustration. Um… 628 00:33:29,258 --> 00:33:31,510 I'm trying to think how to articulate this. 629 00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:36,182 There's a feeling here of, I didn't tie up the loose ends that I needed to tie up, 630 00:33:36,265 --> 00:33:37,767 and I'm sorry for it. 631 00:33:38,267 --> 00:33:40,186 He's bringing up this feeling of, 632 00:33:40,269 --> 00:33:43,981 "It's the only thing that I would've really, really, really done over." 633 00:33:44,815 --> 00:33:47,276 That's very important to him from what I can tell, 634 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:51,280 that that situation not skew how we remember him. 635 00:33:51,363 --> 00:33:52,698 Um… 636 00:33:52,782 --> 00:33:53,949 Who is this for you? 637 00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:56,494 My father, Dr. Jerry Buss. 638 00:33:56,577 --> 00:34:00,414 He was the owner of the Los Angeles Lakers. 639 00:34:01,457 --> 00:34:04,418 That's why we're sitting in the LA Coliseum. 640 00:34:04,502 --> 00:34:06,504 He attended this university, 641 00:34:07,088 --> 00:34:10,508 and, you know, he came from very humble means, 642 00:34:10,591 --> 00:34:14,261 and it was really a dream for him to be able to attend 643 00:34:14,345 --> 00:34:15,846 this school on scholarship, 644 00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:17,973 and he loved sports. 645 00:34:18,057 --> 00:34:20,184 I like to say, my dad had his children. 646 00:34:20,267 --> 00:34:22,937 -But the Lakers were his baby. -[Tyler] Right. 647 00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:25,773 He's been gone now for eight years and 648 00:34:25,856 --> 00:34:30,402 didn't really talk about death. 649 00:34:30,903 --> 00:34:31,946 He loved his life. 650 00:34:32,029 --> 00:34:34,824 He loved everything that he did. 651 00:34:35,324 --> 00:34:37,243 It was too hard to say goodbye. 652 00:34:38,828 --> 00:34:41,872 There was a reference to the name on something you couldn't ignore. 653 00:34:41,956 --> 00:34:42,915 So what was that? 654 00:34:42,998 --> 00:34:48,462 He was very specific that he wanted a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. 655 00:34:48,546 --> 00:34:49,505 Whoa. 656 00:34:50,047 --> 00:34:52,591 [Jeanie] It was one of my dad's proudest moments. 657 00:34:52,675 --> 00:34:56,178 He was just beaming to be part of Hollywood. 658 00:34:56,262 --> 00:34:58,681 [Tyler] That's amazing. I love that. 659 00:35:00,307 --> 00:35:01,976 They're shifting gears a bit, 660 00:35:02,059 --> 00:35:04,395 which is a good sign. They're gonna elaborate more. 661 00:35:05,354 --> 00:35:07,940 Old vision stuff. Trying to figure out what this is. 662 00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:10,401 Okay. 663 00:35:12,862 --> 00:35:16,115 It's weird. They're having me talk about someone losing a sibling. 664 00:35:16,198 --> 00:35:20,536 So… and the passing of a sibling, and it seems significant in some way. 665 00:35:20,619 --> 00:35:22,580 Um, but I don't know how this pertains. 666 00:35:22,663 --> 00:35:24,790 -'Cause I'm only seeing what I'm seeing. -Yeah. 667 00:35:24,874 --> 00:35:25,791 [Tyler] Um… 668 00:35:28,669 --> 00:35:31,213 -Did you lose a sibling? -[Jeanie] Um… 669 00:35:33,132 --> 00:35:37,970 -But by choice, not by passing. Right. -[Tyler] Gotcha. 670 00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:40,431 -So there's that disconnect. I see. -Right. 671 00:35:40,514 --> 00:35:42,391 Um, would this have been a sister? 672 00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:43,809 -[Jeanie] Yes. -Yeah, okay. 673 00:35:45,269 --> 00:35:50,065 You know, I just want him to know, I wish he could have told me sooner, 674 00:35:50,149 --> 00:35:56,614 and that whatever fear, concern he had about the information… 675 00:35:56,697 --> 00:35:59,992 -[Tyler] Yeah. -Like it… I'm good. 676 00:36:00,075 --> 00:36:01,493 It doesn't bother me at all. 677 00:36:01,577 --> 00:36:05,164 Like, and I wanna make sure he's at peace with that. 678 00:36:05,915 --> 00:36:10,628 My parents, when they were first married, they had a child. 679 00:36:10,711 --> 00:36:14,757 -And they gave up the child for adoption. -[Tyler] Yeah. 680 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,512 And after, you know, they never shared it with us. 681 00:36:20,596 --> 00:36:24,767 And then after he passed away, my mom shared that with me. 682 00:36:25,267 --> 00:36:28,354 Then about a year and a half ago, 683 00:36:28,437 --> 00:36:33,150 we found the sister that I never knew I had. 684 00:36:33,234 --> 00:36:38,572 And I think that was something that was important 685 00:36:38,656 --> 00:36:43,244 to my dad that he just didn't know how to tell me. 686 00:36:43,327 --> 00:36:47,039 Right. It comes through as a feeling of patting you on the back. 687 00:36:47,122 --> 00:36:49,041 -So you handled it great. -Thank you. 688 00:36:49,124 --> 00:36:52,836 Of course. Are there any other questions that come to mind related to him? 689 00:36:53,337 --> 00:36:59,760 You know, that… [laughs] That he's happy with the job that I'm doing, 690 00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:02,596 and I want to know that he's proud, 691 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,809 and that if there's anything he wants me to know, or that's all. 692 00:37:09,895 --> 00:37:13,857 He feels like, in many ways, you will spread his legacy, 693 00:37:13,941 --> 00:37:16,068 and he's like, "Thank you for doing this." 694 00:37:16,151 --> 00:37:17,903 I feel like you're spearheading it. 695 00:37:18,404 --> 00:37:21,740 In many ways, it feels to me like he felt you've stepped up to the plate, 696 00:37:21,824 --> 00:37:23,534 when maybe others were expected to. 697 00:37:23,617 --> 00:37:28,038 You know, he, he, he left me in charge. 698 00:37:28,122 --> 00:37:30,374 The way he had set up the business, 699 00:37:30,457 --> 00:37:32,459 it wasn't being successful. 700 00:37:32,543 --> 00:37:37,548 And he had told me that I had the ability through the trust 701 00:37:37,631 --> 00:37:39,091 to make changes. 702 00:37:39,174 --> 00:37:43,304 And I'm relieved to hear that he said I stepped up to the plate 703 00:37:43,387 --> 00:37:47,141 because that was probably one of the hardest things I've ever had to do, 704 00:37:47,224 --> 00:37:49,935 a couple of years ago, was make the changes 705 00:37:50,019 --> 00:37:54,648 in order to get that success that he wanted it to be. 706 00:37:54,732 --> 00:37:57,276 [Tyler] Envisioned. That makes sense. I love that. 707 00:37:58,319 --> 00:38:00,904 I'm gonna think about him as I move forward in my life. 708 00:38:00,988 --> 00:38:03,741 Because he and his impact here today was special for me, 709 00:38:03,824 --> 00:38:06,368 so I'm so thankful to be able to talk to you today. 710 00:38:06,452 --> 00:38:07,661 I hope to see you again. 711 00:38:07,745 --> 00:38:10,289 It'd be great if I could get you to come to a game. 712 00:38:10,372 --> 00:38:12,833 -[Tyler] You know it. -I would appreciate it. 713 00:38:12,916 --> 00:38:16,211 -You'd be very popular, I think. -[Tyler] I would love it. 714 00:38:16,295 --> 00:38:19,465 -[Jeanie] Everybody would come up to you. -I'd love to go. We'll figure it out. 715 00:38:19,548 --> 00:38:22,968 [producer] Isn't there someone in your family that's a huge fan of basketball? 716 00:38:23,052 --> 00:38:24,887 Of basketball? Who are you thinking of? 717 00:38:24,970 --> 00:38:25,929 [producer] Your mom. 718 00:38:26,013 --> 00:38:28,015 My mom? You know what, that's right. 719 00:38:28,098 --> 00:38:30,976 -My mom is a huge basketball fan. -[Jeanie] Is she really? 720 00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:34,313 I'd love to meet your mom and have you bring her to a game. 721 00:38:34,396 --> 00:38:36,357 I think you'd have a great time. 722 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,817 [Tyler] So we'd really love that. [chuckles] 723 00:38:38,901 --> 00:38:41,820 Like everyone else, I went on his website, 724 00:38:41,904 --> 00:38:43,989 and I signed up on the waiting list, 725 00:38:44,073 --> 00:38:46,658 hoping that someday, my name would be called, 726 00:38:46,742 --> 00:38:49,328 and I would have an opportunity to sit with him. 727 00:38:52,498 --> 00:38:55,918 And, um, he can make that connection. 728 00:38:56,001 --> 00:38:57,336 He's very special. 729 00:38:57,419 --> 00:38:59,213 [Theresa] It sounds like you had a big day. 730 00:38:59,296 --> 00:39:01,215 [Tyler] Oh, it was huge. It was crazy. 731 00:39:01,298 --> 00:39:05,469 It was the… that was the daughter of the founder for the Lakers. 732 00:39:05,552 --> 00:39:07,638 -What? -[Tyler] Yeah, her name is Jeanie. 733 00:39:08,472 --> 00:39:10,933 -You met Jeanie Buss? -Yeah. 734 00:39:13,227 --> 00:39:14,895 Oh my God. 735 00:39:14,978 --> 00:39:19,608 I feel a sense of relief, and happiness, and connectedness, 736 00:39:19,691 --> 00:39:21,902 and just a nice… 737 00:39:22,486 --> 00:39:24,279 like, I feel like I got a hug. 738 00:39:25,489 --> 00:39:26,740 [producer] From your dad? 739 00:39:30,202 --> 00:39:31,036 [chuckles] 740 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,246 It's really nice. 741 00:39:43,549 --> 00:39:45,634 -[Tyler] All right. I'm ready. -[Clint] Let's go. 742 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,055 [Tyler] It'll be good to see Felicia and Peter. 743 00:39:52,307 --> 00:39:54,476 [Clint] Hopefully, they have some answers. 744 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,771 -Or can give you their perspective. -[Tyler] Yeah. 745 00:39:57,855 --> 00:40:00,732 I'm going to Hanford because I wanna learn more about 746 00:40:00,816 --> 00:40:03,527 what happened to my mom's family. 747 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:05,737 I'm glad I'm doing this today alone, 748 00:40:05,821 --> 00:40:08,240 just because it's such a sensitive thing. 749 00:40:08,323 --> 00:40:12,411 I didn't want my mom to be here because I'm very protective of her 750 00:40:12,953 --> 00:40:16,748 and just didn't want to trigger anything in her. 751 00:40:16,832 --> 00:40:19,418 I want Felicia and Peter to be able to talk openly, 752 00:40:19,501 --> 00:40:23,380 without worrying how she'll feel about it. 753 00:40:35,184 --> 00:40:36,852 I haven't seen them for a while 754 00:40:36,935 --> 00:40:39,354 because I don't go to Hanford very often. 755 00:40:39,438 --> 00:40:41,773 It doesn't evoke happy memories for me. 756 00:40:41,857 --> 00:40:45,444 It was a time in my life that was categorized by pain, 757 00:40:45,527 --> 00:40:48,155 and not seeing a way out, and feeling trapped, 758 00:40:48,238 --> 00:40:50,324 and wishing I was somebody else. 759 00:40:54,745 --> 00:40:56,497 [uneasy music playing] 760 00:40:59,374 --> 00:41:01,585 [Tyler] I've never seen this side of Hanford. 761 00:41:03,795 --> 00:41:07,090 There's not a part I haven't seen, but it's been a while. 762 00:41:13,347 --> 00:41:15,182 This area looks like Georgia. 763 00:41:15,265 --> 00:41:16,099 Yeah. 764 00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:19,228 Very conservative. 765 00:41:20,646 --> 00:41:23,815 This is where Stella murdered people 766 00:41:24,733 --> 00:41:26,235 and done a lot of bad things. 767 00:41:27,736 --> 00:41:29,446 There's something very evil there. 768 00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:33,450 I mean, there's more that we don't know that is just very dark. 769 00:41:43,752 --> 00:41:45,546 I'll introduce you at another time. 770 00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:48,006 This is such a heavy thing. 771 00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:50,509 -[Clint] Yeah, I'm good. -Probably not the best time. 772 00:41:51,218 --> 00:41:52,553 I'll tell you how it goes. 773 00:41:56,348 --> 00:41:58,141 I'm okay. I'm all right. 774 00:41:58,225 --> 00:42:00,227 -[Clint] Okay, is this good? -[Tyler] This works. 775 00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:02,688 -[Clint] All right. I'll be back. -[Tyler] Okay, will do. 776 00:42:02,771 --> 00:42:04,189 All right. Ah. 777 00:42:05,857 --> 00:42:07,734 -Hello! -[Peter] Hurry up, Tyler! 778 00:42:07,818 --> 00:42:10,195 -I'm running. I brought brownies! -[Felicia] Oh my God! 779 00:42:10,737 --> 00:42:14,491 -How's it going? Oh, you look beautiful. -[Felicia] Oh my God, you're so pretty. 780 00:42:14,992 --> 00:42:16,785 Oh. [speaks indistinctly] 781 00:42:16,868 --> 00:42:18,870 Oh! 782 00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:21,748 You're looking great! 783 00:42:21,832 --> 00:42:24,501 You're too cute! How are you doing, Mr. Griller? 784 00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:27,629 -Hey, how do you like your ribs? -[Tyler] You know what? I like carrots. 785 00:42:27,713 --> 00:42:29,923 But I brought brownies, so I'm making up for it. 786 00:42:30,007 --> 00:42:31,800 We were talking about your mom, how-- 787 00:42:31,883 --> 00:42:34,761 -That's right. I made those, though. -[Felicia] Oh, you did? 788 00:42:34,845 --> 00:42:37,306 Better watch out 'cause I'm not a very good cook. 789 00:42:37,389 --> 00:42:40,601 -You remember the last time you saw us? -It's been like seven years. 790 00:42:40,684 --> 00:42:42,269 -That is a long time. -Yes. 791 00:42:42,352 --> 00:42:45,731 -[Tyler] It's been a while. -[Felicia] Pass me that potato salad. 792 00:42:45,814 --> 00:42:47,357 Absolutely, there you go. 793 00:42:47,858 --> 00:42:49,192 So, how have you been? 794 00:42:49,276 --> 00:42:52,237 I've been good. Just staying busy, with everything going on. 795 00:42:52,863 --> 00:42:56,325 Obviously, you know a lot's evolved in the past couple years. 796 00:42:56,408 --> 00:42:57,284 -My mom. -I know. 797 00:42:57,367 --> 00:42:59,411 It all started with a DNA test. 798 00:42:59,494 --> 00:43:02,205 -That really threw us. -[Peter] That was kind of crazy. 799 00:43:02,289 --> 00:43:03,957 It threw all of us. We were shocked. 800 00:43:04,041 --> 00:43:07,002 I'm just so thankful that you all are still in my life. 801 00:43:07,085 --> 00:43:09,630 Well, I tell you like your mama, go ahead, I don't care. 802 00:43:09,713 --> 00:43:11,423 She's always gonna be my sister. 803 00:43:11,506 --> 00:43:13,717 -You're always gonna be my nephew. -Exactly. 804 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,303 You can't cut off emotions because somebody told you 805 00:43:16,386 --> 00:43:18,847 they're not your sister or brother. Know what I mean? 806 00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:21,642 I was having that conversation on the way here. 807 00:43:21,725 --> 00:43:28,231 There's no way we could ever think of Theresa as not family. 808 00:43:28,315 --> 00:43:30,776 -[Tyler] Yeah. Of course. -I mean, there's no way. 809 00:43:32,736 --> 00:43:36,657 See, Mom left for a year, and then she came back. 810 00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:39,493 Then she left for another year, and came back. 811 00:43:39,576 --> 00:43:41,870 And when she came back, she had Theresa. 812 00:43:42,621 --> 00:43:45,082 -I see. -And I was holding her in my arms. 813 00:43:45,165 --> 00:43:46,249 She was so cute. 814 00:43:46,333 --> 00:43:49,503 She was like an angel light to me. 815 00:43:50,504 --> 00:43:52,214 -[Tyler] You're a survivor. -Yeah. 816 00:43:52,297 --> 00:43:54,049 -Oh, big time. -Yeah. 817 00:43:54,132 --> 00:43:56,510 -[Felicia] Been through hell. -It's why I want to do this. 818 00:43:56,593 --> 00:44:00,180 Why I wanted to meet with you both is because you showed such resilience 819 00:44:00,263 --> 00:44:01,306 in going through this-- 820 00:44:01,390 --> 00:44:03,725 Yeah, I'm surprised I'm not a druggie. 821 00:44:03,809 --> 00:44:06,144 -That's commendable! -Or living on the street. 822 00:44:06,228 --> 00:44:08,980 -Or in jail or anything. -[Tyler] People are going to be inspired. 823 00:44:09,064 --> 00:44:14,277 Because… my story, I mean, it's just, lived in torture. 824 00:44:14,361 --> 00:44:16,321 -Yeah. -[Felicia] You know, for years. 825 00:44:16,405 --> 00:44:19,658 What Peter had to go through, and everybody involved. 826 00:44:19,741 --> 00:44:23,620 You know what? That's the one thing I cannot forgive Mom for. 827 00:44:23,704 --> 00:44:25,580 -Understandable. -[Felicia] What she did to Pete. 828 00:44:25,664 --> 00:44:28,125 -[Tyler] Of course. -I could get over what she did to me. 829 00:44:28,208 --> 00:44:31,962 But not to my brother. I will never, never forgive her for that. 830 00:44:32,045 --> 00:44:33,463 -I understand. -It was horrible. 831 00:44:33,547 --> 00:44:34,798 -Yeah. -[Felicia] I warned Pete. 832 00:44:34,881 --> 00:44:39,344 -I told him, I go, "You be careful." -Yeah. She did. She did. 833 00:44:40,971 --> 00:44:44,182 [Tyler] She created so much anger, and divisiveness, and chaos. 834 00:44:44,266 --> 00:44:46,893 -All your feelings are warranted there. -Yes. 835 00:44:46,977 --> 00:44:50,480 I never even have had the chance to speak to her, and she 836 00:44:50,564 --> 00:44:52,399 deeply infuriates me. 837 00:44:52,482 --> 00:44:55,360 Not only what she did to my mom, but to you and Peter. 838 00:44:55,444 --> 00:44:58,488 It seems like everyone she touched in some way was negative. 839 00:44:58,572 --> 00:45:00,532 [Felicia] Yeah. She was just cruel. 840 00:45:00,615 --> 00:45:02,242 -[Tyler] Needlessly. -Cruel and evil. 841 00:45:02,325 --> 00:45:03,535 [Tyler] No reason behind it. 842 00:45:03,618 --> 00:45:06,997 And I just, you know, and I always thought if I'd be real good… 843 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,125 -Yeah. -You know, she won't hit me this time. 844 00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:11,752 -It's not about that. -Or anything. 845 00:45:11,835 --> 00:45:15,172 -I'd be scared to come home from school. -I know. 846 00:45:15,255 --> 00:45:18,675 You know, it was just a horrible life growing up in that house. 847 00:45:18,759 --> 00:45:19,593 Yeah. 848 00:45:20,302 --> 00:45:21,636 I just hated her. 849 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:24,306 -After 13, I started hating her. -[Tyler] Yeah. 850 00:45:25,474 --> 00:45:27,559 -It was just a nightmare. -[Tyler] Yeah. 851 00:45:27,642 --> 00:45:31,772 [Felicia] Theresa understands what I went through because she went through a lot. 852 00:45:31,855 --> 00:45:33,023 Like I did. 853 00:45:33,106 --> 00:45:37,486 That was just so surreal for me to hear for the first time. 854 00:45:37,569 --> 00:45:41,573 I've never realized what they had to really deal with. 855 00:45:42,073 --> 00:45:44,701 I see my mom wake up in the middle of the night. 856 00:45:44,785 --> 00:45:46,369 She has PTSD really badly, 857 00:45:46,453 --> 00:45:49,080 and I've traveled with her across the country, 858 00:45:49,164 --> 00:45:50,999 and I'll hear her in the other room 859 00:45:51,792 --> 00:45:56,129 at night, just saying in her sleep, "I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm scared." 860 00:45:56,213 --> 00:45:58,298 I hurt for my mom in a way I can't even convey 861 00:45:58,381 --> 00:46:01,092 because there's a lot more there that we don't know. 862 00:46:03,220 --> 00:46:05,013 [soft music playing]