1 00:00:02,132 --> 00:00:04,439 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:04,525 --> 00:00:08,182 [people shouting, clamoring] 3 00:00:08,269 --> 00:00:09,182 - Oh! 4 00:00:14,884 --> 00:00:15,798 - Oh, he's got-- [gunshot] 5 00:00:15,884 --> 00:00:17,713 - Oh! Oh! 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,629 [overlapping chatter] 7 00:00:26,765 --> 00:00:29,942 - 35-year-old Air Force veteran and QAnon supporter 8 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:32,988 Ashli Babbitt was shot by a Capitol police officer. 9 00:00:33,076 --> 00:00:35,426 - In her last moments of life, Babbitt was seen 10 00:00:35,512 --> 00:00:37,427 trying to force her way through a window 11 00:00:37,515 --> 00:00:39,125 that would give her closer access 12 00:00:39,213 --> 00:00:41,692 to the House Chambers in the United States Capitol. 13 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:42,780 ♪ ♪ 14 00:00:42,868 --> 00:00:44,478 In the wake of the riots, 15 00:00:44,566 --> 00:00:46,829 some on social media call her a hero and a martyr. 16 00:00:46,915 --> 00:00:50,572 - You deserve answers, and you deserve justice. 17 00:00:50,658 --> 00:00:54,054 God bless Ashli's incredible memory, 18 00:00:54,140 --> 00:00:55,881 and God bless America. 19 00:00:55,968 --> 00:01:00,537 ♪ ♪ 20 00:01:00,625 --> 00:01:02,670 narrator: It is a story, decades in the making. 21 00:01:02,758 --> 00:01:04,673 - They call themselves... 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,195 - The Aryan Nation. 23 00:01:06,283 --> 00:01:08,284 narrator: Desperate. 24 00:01:08,371 --> 00:01:10,766 Angry. 25 00:01:10,852 --> 00:01:13,811 Destructive. 26 00:01:13,899 --> 00:01:16,945 The nation stopped in its tracks. 27 00:01:17,033 --> 00:01:18,426 - Angry mob of supporters. 28 00:01:18,513 --> 00:01:19,992 narrator: The most sacred symbol 29 00:01:20,079 --> 00:01:21,646 of America's democracy attacked. 30 00:01:21,733 --> 00:01:23,561 - Let's burn this shit down. 31 00:01:23,647 --> 00:01:27,870 narrator: A nation already deeply divided over politics, 32 00:01:27,956 --> 00:01:32,700 race, and economic inequality. 33 00:01:32,787 --> 00:01:35,878 And now the claim of a stolen election. 34 00:01:35,965 --> 00:01:41,665 Extremists inciting rage, some using violence. 35 00:01:41,753 --> 00:01:45,801 How did we get here? What fuels their fury? 36 00:01:45,888 --> 00:01:48,716 How grave is the threat to democracy? 37 00:01:48,804 --> 00:01:50,805 all: Indivisible... 38 00:01:50,893 --> 00:01:52,850 narrator: How do we heal the hate? 39 00:01:52,938 --> 00:01:54,722 all: Justice for all. 40 00:02:01,251 --> 00:02:02,426 - The chaos erupted 41 00:02:02,513 --> 00:02:04,254 inside the Capitol this afternoon. 42 00:02:04,340 --> 00:02:06,516 A mob intent on blocking Joe Biden's presidency 43 00:02:06,603 --> 00:02:07,909 stormed the building. 44 00:02:07,996 --> 00:02:08,997 [gunshot] - Oh! 45 00:02:09,085 --> 00:02:10,086 - In the hallway, 46 00:02:10,173 --> 00:02:12,348 the echo of a gunshot rang out 47 00:02:12,436 --> 00:02:14,307 and a woman apparently hit. 48 00:02:14,395 --> 00:02:15,830 - Got an active shooter! 49 00:02:15,918 --> 00:02:18,442 ♪ ♪ 50 00:02:18,528 --> 00:02:20,923 narrator: When Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt, 51 00:02:21,009 --> 00:02:26,102 35 years old, was shot dead by a Capitol police officer, 52 00:02:26,188 --> 00:02:29,235 she became a martyr for violent extremists 53 00:02:29,323 --> 00:02:32,108 with whom she had no known association. 54 00:02:32,194 --> 00:02:34,979 - The person that shot Ashli Babbitt--boom-- 55 00:02:35,067 --> 00:02:36,895 right through the head-- just boom-- 56 00:02:36,981 --> 00:02:38,506 there was no reason for that. 57 00:02:38,593 --> 00:02:41,900 ♪ ♪ 58 00:02:41,986 --> 00:02:44,425 narrator: Babbitt, an ardent Trump fan, 59 00:02:44,512 --> 00:02:46,687 devoured the bizarre conspiracy theories 60 00:02:46,775 --> 00:02:49,343 of the group known as QAnon. 61 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:51,909 ♪ ♪ 62 00:02:51,997 --> 00:02:53,824 There was no evidence that she had a weapon 63 00:02:53,912 --> 00:02:55,697 or was part of a plan to fight her way 64 00:02:55,783 --> 00:02:57,350 into the Capitol that day. 65 00:02:57,437 --> 00:02:59,396 ♪ ♪ 66 00:02:59,483 --> 00:03:01,703 Still, she's been called 67 00:03:01,789 --> 00:03:04,748 a freedom fighter and a patriot. 68 00:03:04,836 --> 00:03:07,622 ♪ ♪ 69 00:03:07,709 --> 00:03:11,538 - You'll never take back our country with weakness. 70 00:03:11,626 --> 00:03:14,542 You have to show strength, and you have to be strong. 71 00:03:14,628 --> 00:03:18,588 ♪ ♪ 72 00:03:18,675 --> 00:03:19,807 narrator: To understand why the far right 73 00:03:19,895 --> 00:03:21,723 needs Ashli Babbitt 74 00:03:21,810 --> 00:03:24,204 and how it feeds off a cult of martyrdom, 75 00:03:24,290 --> 00:03:27,336 we need only consider the case of Timothy McVeigh, 76 00:03:27,424 --> 00:03:29,644 also a military veteran, 77 00:03:29,730 --> 00:03:31,949 but one whose beliefs were so extreme 78 00:03:32,037 --> 00:03:34,126 they led to mass murder, 79 00:03:34,213 --> 00:03:36,651 the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City... 80 00:03:36,737 --> 00:03:37,694 - About a third of the building 81 00:03:37,781 --> 00:03:39,043 has been blown away. 82 00:03:39,131 --> 00:03:42,003 narrator: Killing 168 people, 83 00:03:42,091 --> 00:03:45,615 including 19 children. 84 00:03:45,703 --> 00:03:47,051 ♪ ♪ 85 00:03:47,139 --> 00:03:49,663 - Are you prepared for death? - I am. 86 00:03:49,751 --> 00:03:52,796 I came to terms with my mortality in the Gulf war. 87 00:03:52,884 --> 00:03:55,582 ♪ ♪ 88 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:58,542 After that, it's...not that hard 89 00:03:58,628 --> 00:04:00,587 to be "prepared for death." 90 00:04:01,632 --> 00:04:05,114 In truth, from my psychological perspective, 91 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,334 it's a little easier being on death row, 92 00:04:07,420 --> 00:04:09,639 because you know how you're gonna die. 93 00:04:09,727 --> 00:04:13,383 You can narrow down where you're gonna die, 94 00:04:13,469 --> 00:04:16,733 and you can pretty much narrow down the time. 95 00:04:17,822 --> 00:04:20,476 narrator: Before his execution by lethal injection, 96 00:04:20,564 --> 00:04:22,348 McVeigh granted an interview 97 00:04:22,435 --> 00:04:25,089 to 60 Minutes correspondent Ed Bradley. 98 00:04:25,177 --> 00:04:26,613 [dark music] 99 00:04:26,701 --> 00:04:28,658 - If you had your life to live over, 100 00:04:28,745 --> 00:04:30,356 is there anything you'd do differently? 101 00:04:30,444 --> 00:04:32,663 - I've thought about that quite a few times, 102 00:04:32,750 --> 00:04:36,057 and I think anybody in life says, 103 00:04:36,144 --> 00:04:38,930 "I wish I could have gone back and done this differently, 104 00:04:39,016 --> 00:04:40,192 done that differently." 105 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,716 There are moments, but... 106 00:04:41,802 --> 00:04:44,500 ♪ ♪ 107 00:04:44,588 --> 00:04:46,415 No one that stands out. 108 00:04:46,502 --> 00:04:48,026 - We talked with eight family members 109 00:04:48,112 --> 00:04:49,810 and survivors of the bombing 110 00:04:49,898 --> 00:04:52,682 and showed them our interview with McVeigh. 111 00:04:52,769 --> 00:04:55,773 Are any of you concerned that, by executing him, 112 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:59,298 that we turn Timothy McVeigh into a--a martyr? 113 00:04:59,386 --> 00:05:00,865 - He will only be a martyr to... 114 00:05:00,951 --> 00:05:02,170 - Those who believe-- 115 00:05:02,257 --> 00:05:04,173 - Those people that think like he thinks. 116 00:05:04,259 --> 00:05:05,565 - He's already a martyr. I've been there. 117 00:05:05,653 --> 00:05:06,783 - That's right. - I've seen it. 118 00:05:06,870 --> 00:05:08,656 - He's already a martyr to them, so... 119 00:05:08,742 --> 00:05:09,874 - Killing him won't make any difference. 120 00:05:09,961 --> 00:05:11,745 - It won't make any difference. 121 00:05:13,661 --> 00:05:17,273 - We need people like Robert Matthews, 122 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,059 people like Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, 123 00:05:21,146 --> 00:05:23,278 who are not afraid to be the lone wolves of this country 124 00:05:23,365 --> 00:05:25,846 to go out there and smash the Zionist system. 125 00:05:25,934 --> 00:05:27,500 narrator: It's a time in his life 126 00:05:27,588 --> 00:05:30,591 he'd like to forget, but Sean Gillespie admits 127 00:05:30,677 --> 00:05:34,290 that once he saw Timothy McVeigh as a hero. 128 00:05:34,377 --> 00:05:38,641 - Timothy McVeigh is looked upon highly in the movement. 129 00:05:38,728 --> 00:05:40,077 He kind of inspired me to do a crime 130 00:05:40,165 --> 00:05:41,252 in Oklahoma City. 131 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:44,168 See the damage. 132 00:05:44,255 --> 00:05:46,911 narrator: Before he rejected their racist doctrines, 133 00:05:46,997 --> 00:05:49,218 Gillespie belonged to the Aryan Nations, 134 00:05:49,305 --> 00:05:51,132 a fringe white supremacist group 135 00:05:51,220 --> 00:05:54,310 that shared McVeigh's hatred of the federal government. 136 00:05:54,396 --> 00:05:58,574 - One God, one nation, one race. 137 00:05:58,661 --> 00:06:00,447 - Rewind it, and let's re-record it, all right? 138 00:06:00,533 --> 00:06:03,927 I was abused several times by several people. 139 00:06:04,014 --> 00:06:07,584 I had a lot of behavioral issues related to my abuse. 140 00:06:07,670 --> 00:06:09,803 It caused a lot of--a lot of trauma. 141 00:06:09,891 --> 00:06:11,848 I was in these group homes with older kids, 142 00:06:11,935 --> 00:06:14,199 which didn't help, you know, these 17-year-old runaway kids 143 00:06:14,286 --> 00:06:17,725 who were doing drugs and living on the streets. 144 00:06:17,812 --> 00:06:22,685 ♪ ♪ 145 00:06:22,773 --> 00:06:25,733 narrator: Today, Sean believes that many of those 146 00:06:25,819 --> 00:06:29,954 drawn to extremist groups actually do so for personal, 147 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,262 not political reasons. 148 00:06:33,348 --> 00:06:37,396 - Feeling superiority over people, 149 00:06:37,483 --> 00:06:42,314 feeling that people are afraid of you. 150 00:06:42,401 --> 00:06:44,665 narrator: He says racism was a way 151 00:06:44,752 --> 00:06:48,451 to deflect his feelings of inadequacy and rejection. 152 00:06:48,538 --> 00:06:50,932 His acts of violence put him in prison. 153 00:06:51,019 --> 00:06:53,064 It became a turning point. 154 00:06:53,151 --> 00:06:55,457 - I ended up spending 8 1/2 years of solitary confinement. 155 00:06:55,545 --> 00:06:57,894 I'm alone for the first time, 156 00:06:57,981 --> 00:07:03,379 and all I have is just time to ruminate. 157 00:07:03,466 --> 00:07:05,293 I'm like, "What the hell have I done with my life?" 158 00:07:05,380 --> 00:07:07,077 There's a lot of guilt for something 159 00:07:07,165 --> 00:07:08,776 I didn't even believe in anymore. 160 00:07:08,862 --> 00:07:10,865 ♪ ♪ 161 00:07:10,951 --> 00:07:13,170 [tense music] 162 00:07:13,257 --> 00:07:15,435 narrator: Today, Sean says Timothy McVeigh 163 00:07:15,521 --> 00:07:17,437 is a mass murderer 164 00:07:17,524 --> 00:07:20,918 and certainly not the martyr some extremists see him as. 165 00:07:21,004 --> 00:07:23,617 - McVeigh is absolutely considered as a martyr, 166 00:07:23,704 --> 00:07:26,009 a person who made the ultimate commitment 167 00:07:26,096 --> 00:07:28,447 and executed a very important violent attack 168 00:07:28,535 --> 00:07:30,187 against the government 169 00:07:30,274 --> 00:07:33,540 and is celebrated for his willingness to do that. 170 00:07:33,627 --> 00:07:36,499 They create memes with his facial image 171 00:07:36,586 --> 00:07:39,240 or the images of the Murrah Federal Building 172 00:07:39,327 --> 00:07:41,548 that he blew to smithereens. 173 00:07:41,634 --> 00:07:43,985 - There he is, right there. The man with the crew cut. 174 00:07:44,072 --> 00:07:45,552 narrator: For violent extremists, 175 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:47,379 McVeigh became an example 176 00:07:47,466 --> 00:07:50,600 of something called leaderless resistance, 177 00:07:50,687 --> 00:07:54,125 in which a so-called lone wolf stages an attack 178 00:07:54,211 --> 00:07:56,387 without help from a large group 179 00:07:56,475 --> 00:07:59,086 that the authorities might be watching already. 180 00:07:59,913 --> 00:08:03,526 One of the strategy's leading proponents was Louis Beam, 181 00:08:03,612 --> 00:08:07,529 a disillusioned Vietnam vet who joined the Ku Klux Klan 182 00:08:07,617 --> 00:08:09,052 and rose to become one of America's 183 00:08:09,139 --> 00:08:12,012 most influential white supremacists. 184 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:14,494 - Let me drain the swamp, 185 00:08:14,581 --> 00:08:16,713 and then we'll start on the next one. 186 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,716 [cheers, whistles] - White power! 187 00:08:19,802 --> 00:08:21,935 - Louis Beam came in to visit Aryan Nations 188 00:08:22,023 --> 00:08:24,504 when I was 15 and was living on the compound, 189 00:08:24,591 --> 00:08:27,028 and, you know, I-I went to church service, 190 00:08:27,115 --> 00:08:28,769 listened to one of his sermons. 191 00:08:28,855 --> 00:08:30,292 I didn't really know much about him at the time, 192 00:08:30,379 --> 00:08:31,771 and the old people were telling me, "Oh, he was 193 00:08:31,858 --> 00:08:34,904 a-a helicopter door gunner in Vietnam and stuff." 194 00:08:34,991 --> 00:08:37,211 And it's like he's killed all these, like, "mud races" 195 00:08:37,298 --> 00:08:39,475 is what they call them with Aryan Nations. 196 00:08:39,562 --> 00:08:42,433 And so, like, I was thinking this guy was a hero. 197 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:44,784 - With all 3 million savages. 198 00:08:44,871 --> 00:08:46,874 - He came up with the idea of--of what was known 199 00:08:46,961 --> 00:08:48,048 as the cell group 200 00:08:48,135 --> 00:08:50,485 or the leaderless resistance, 201 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:52,009 which was basically, 202 00:08:52,096 --> 00:08:53,663 if you're gonna do anything, 203 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:57,537 have a small group of people-- three to five, ideally-- 204 00:08:57,624 --> 00:08:59,451 because if somebody gets busted, 205 00:08:59,538 --> 00:09:01,409 typically they're gonna turn on each other. 206 00:09:01,496 --> 00:09:03,803 So you wanna keep it small to where only the main guy 207 00:09:03,890 --> 00:09:06,414 knows what's going on. 208 00:09:06,501 --> 00:09:10,767 - The notion there is that if you want to avoid 209 00:09:10,854 --> 00:09:14,423 being caught in your terrorist activities, 210 00:09:14,509 --> 00:09:19,123 you don't have a hierarchy in a terrorist organization 211 00:09:19,210 --> 00:09:21,822 that can be infiltrated or can be, 212 00:09:21,908 --> 00:09:24,825 in a sense, co-opted by federal agents. 213 00:09:24,912 --> 00:09:27,436 You operate in small cells 214 00:09:27,523 --> 00:09:29,568 where you're not reporting to any one person. 215 00:09:29,655 --> 00:09:32,615 ♪ ♪ 216 00:09:37,315 --> 00:09:39,100 narrator: Before he became the master tactician 217 00:09:39,187 --> 00:09:41,144 of leaderless resistance, 218 00:09:41,231 --> 00:09:43,712 Louis Beam was an ambitious Klan leader on the lookout 219 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:47,673 for a chance to stoke racial tensions and win new recruits. 220 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,371 - Do you have it in you to make the sacrifice? 221 00:09:50,459 --> 00:09:53,548 narrator: In 1979, Beam saw an opportunity 222 00:09:53,635 --> 00:09:57,161 in the simmering confrontation between local fishermen 223 00:09:57,248 --> 00:10:00,774 and Vietnamese immigrants in Seadrift, Texas. 224 00:10:00,860 --> 00:10:03,384 - The United States in the 1970s were a time, 225 00:10:03,471 --> 00:10:08,999 of course, of emerging distrust of the government. 226 00:10:09,086 --> 00:10:12,654 There was Watergate, and the distrust, 227 00:10:12,741 --> 00:10:15,615 and the criminality of Richard Nixon, 228 00:10:15,701 --> 00:10:19,182 and then we had the waves of immigration from Vietnam 229 00:10:19,269 --> 00:10:21,316 that were occurring at that time 230 00:10:21,403 --> 00:10:23,057 where we, I think rightfully, 231 00:10:23,144 --> 00:10:26,712 opened our doors to immigrants from Vietnam. 232 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:28,062 - From the beginning, there were problems 233 00:10:28,149 --> 00:10:29,846 between Americans and the Vietnamese 234 00:10:29,932 --> 00:10:32,066 refugee fishermen along the Gulf Coast. 235 00:10:32,153 --> 00:10:34,067 - Put 'em somewhere and make Americans out of 'em 236 00:10:34,154 --> 00:10:36,244 before they bring them down here on us. 237 00:10:36,331 --> 00:10:38,462 - It don't matter to me, but I'd like to see 'em 238 00:10:38,549 --> 00:10:41,205 to get civilized and get to act like us. 239 00:10:41,292 --> 00:10:43,206 - The trouble was sparked by charges 240 00:10:43,293 --> 00:10:45,948 that the Vietnamese violated unwritten fishing laws 241 00:10:46,036 --> 00:10:48,298 and it was fueled by racism. 242 00:10:56,567 --> 00:10:59,048 - I came to the United States in 1975 243 00:10:59,135 --> 00:11:01,922 when I was 11 years old. 244 00:11:03,226 --> 00:11:05,751 'Cause the communists is coming. 245 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:08,231 narrator: Hien Nguyen's family fled Vietnam 246 00:11:08,318 --> 00:11:10,321 with only the clothes on their backs 247 00:11:10,408 --> 00:11:12,019 as the victorious communist forces 248 00:11:12,105 --> 00:11:14,020 took control of their country 249 00:11:14,107 --> 00:11:16,893 after American troops withdrew. 250 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:18,894 - At that time, a lot of American people here 251 00:11:18,981 --> 00:11:21,505 believed that the government gave us money. 252 00:11:21,592 --> 00:11:22,942 They give you 300. 253 00:11:23,029 --> 00:11:25,336 "Here you are. You're on your own, buddy." 254 00:11:27,294 --> 00:11:28,861 We survive, you know. 255 00:11:28,948 --> 00:11:30,951 - He left his rights behind him in Vietnam, 256 00:11:31,038 --> 00:11:32,429 and he's over here now 257 00:11:32,517 --> 00:11:35,956 taking my rights away from me and my friends. 258 00:11:36,043 --> 00:11:39,088 - These people, they don't-- they don't think like us. 259 00:11:39,176 --> 00:11:42,571 They--they're just not our kind of people, 260 00:11:42,658 --> 00:11:44,094 and they're vicious, cruel people, 261 00:11:44,181 --> 00:11:45,529 and they're gonna take and grab 262 00:11:45,616 --> 00:11:47,445 what they want at anybody's expense. 263 00:11:47,532 --> 00:11:48,924 narrator: As the anti-immigrant 264 00:11:49,011 --> 00:11:50,665 feelings spread, 265 00:11:50,753 --> 00:11:54,495 this small Gulf fishing town became a powder keg. 266 00:11:54,582 --> 00:11:58,107 - In August 1979, it exploded into the shooting death 267 00:11:58,195 --> 00:12:00,807 of an American fisherman. 268 00:12:00,894 --> 00:12:06,159 - I'm Beth Aplin-Martin, and my dad was killed in 1979 269 00:12:06,246 --> 00:12:08,596 by a Vietnamese fisherman. 270 00:12:08,683 --> 00:12:11,251 That started a, you know, 271 00:12:11,339 --> 00:12:13,514 a pretty serious reign of terror along the Gulf coast 272 00:12:13,601 --> 00:12:17,039 against the Vietnamese by the KKK. 273 00:12:17,126 --> 00:12:20,043 - 35-year-old Billy Joe Aplin was shot and killed 274 00:12:20,129 --> 00:12:22,567 allegedly by a pair of Vietnamese brothers 275 00:12:22,653 --> 00:12:24,481 in a dispute over Aplin's charges 276 00:12:24,568 --> 00:12:25,918 the Vietnamese were poaching 277 00:12:26,005 --> 00:12:28,008 from the local crabbers' sea traps. 278 00:12:28,095 --> 00:12:29,792 The killing sparked an immediate 279 00:12:29,879 --> 00:12:32,316 and violent wave of revenge that saw three Vietnamese 280 00:12:32,403 --> 00:12:34,971 fishing boats sunk in Seadrift Harbor. 281 00:12:35,057 --> 00:12:36,451 - There were one to two men on the bow 282 00:12:36,538 --> 00:12:38,322 of each of those boats with machetes. 283 00:12:38,408 --> 00:12:40,019 Some of them had it in their teeth. 284 00:12:40,106 --> 00:12:42,630 And feet up on the edge and they would say, 285 00:12:42,717 --> 00:12:43,980 "I'm gonna kill your kids in front of you 286 00:12:44,067 --> 00:12:46,025 and then kill you first," and, you know, 287 00:12:46,113 --> 00:12:47,548 Dad's talking about, "Yeah, I'm gonna cut your throat." 288 00:12:47,635 --> 00:12:51,030 You know what I mean? It was a serious ordeal. 289 00:12:51,118 --> 00:12:54,163 narrator: For the Ku Klux Klan's grand dragon in Texas, 290 00:12:54,250 --> 00:12:55,774 Louis Beam, 291 00:12:55,861 --> 00:12:58,865 it was the opportunity he'd been waiting for. 292 00:12:58,951 --> 00:13:00,169 - The grand dragon would not say 293 00:13:00,256 --> 00:13:02,519 how the Klan plans to fight. 294 00:13:02,606 --> 00:13:04,347 He says he would like to avoid violence 295 00:13:04,434 --> 00:13:05,523 but would not rule it out. 296 00:13:05,610 --> 00:13:06,828 - Somebody is gonna probably 297 00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:08,744 take care of those Vietnamese. 298 00:13:08,831 --> 00:13:10,311 - Take care of 'em? - Kill 'em. 299 00:13:10,398 --> 00:13:12,879 [tense music] 300 00:13:12,966 --> 00:13:15,010 - The anti-refugee sentiment 301 00:13:15,097 --> 00:13:17,884 started getting whipped up by the KKK, 302 00:13:17,971 --> 00:13:20,974 and they had representatives going out 303 00:13:21,061 --> 00:13:23,889 to all these small little communities 304 00:13:23,976 --> 00:13:25,979 recruiting new membership because of it 305 00:13:26,066 --> 00:13:27,631 and, you know, 306 00:13:27,719 --> 00:13:30,157 stirring up this anti-immigrant sentiment. 307 00:13:30,244 --> 00:13:32,158 - The Seadrift's Vietnamese immigrants, 308 00:13:32,245 --> 00:13:33,899 especially the crab fishermen, 309 00:13:33,986 --> 00:13:36,076 are the most afraid of trouble. 310 00:13:36,163 --> 00:13:38,294 They fear they, their families, or their livelihood 311 00:13:38,381 --> 00:13:39,993 may be attacked by people 312 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,908 who openly talk of avenging Billy Joe Aplin's death. 313 00:13:42,995 --> 00:13:46,259 - At that time, I don't-- I don't know who the KKK is, 314 00:13:46,346 --> 00:13:47,913 but we got shot up right over here 315 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,701 by the water right over here for nothing. 316 00:13:52,788 --> 00:13:54,224 We was--we was working on a shrimp boat. 317 00:13:54,311 --> 00:13:56,748 They just drive by in the evening, 318 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:59,663 shotgun going off. 319 00:13:59,750 --> 00:14:02,971 - Last night at a Klan rally in the Seabrook area, 320 00:14:03,058 --> 00:14:05,105 Texas grand dragon Louis Beam 321 00:14:05,192 --> 00:14:07,280 petitioned the governor of Texas 322 00:14:07,368 --> 00:14:10,850 to use public funds to buy the Vietnamese boats. 323 00:14:10,937 --> 00:14:12,938 - The Klan has issued an ultimatum. 324 00:14:13,025 --> 00:14:15,724 Unless the Vietnamese are out of the Galveston Bay area 325 00:14:15,811 --> 00:14:18,639 by May 15th, the beginning of the shrimping season, 326 00:14:18,726 --> 00:14:21,947 the Klan has vowed to take matters into its own hands. 327 00:14:22,034 --> 00:14:24,341 - After the shooting, every Vietnamese leave town. 328 00:14:25,908 --> 00:14:27,344 Every one of them leave town 329 00:14:27,431 --> 00:14:28,736 'cause the KKK is coming. 330 00:14:28,823 --> 00:14:29,825 They know if they stay, 331 00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:31,217 there's gonna be more problem 332 00:14:31,304 --> 00:14:35,091 because most of the--the older Vietnamese, 333 00:14:35,177 --> 00:14:37,745 they know how to defend themselves, you know? 334 00:14:37,832 --> 00:14:40,705 So everybody decides, "Forget it, just move." 335 00:14:40,792 --> 00:14:44,621 all: Victory is ours! Victory is ours! 336 00:14:44,709 --> 00:14:47,581 [cheers and applause] 337 00:14:47,668 --> 00:14:48,888 [tense music] 338 00:14:48,975 --> 00:14:50,628 narrator: Beth Aplin regrets 339 00:14:50,715 --> 00:14:53,456 her family's support for the anti-immigrant fervor 340 00:14:53,543 --> 00:14:57,070 that drove the Vietnamese out of Seadrift. 341 00:14:57,157 --> 00:14:59,985 - Many years after, I went through a box of the stuff 342 00:15:00,072 --> 00:15:05,207 that my mother kept and came across government-- 343 00:15:05,294 --> 00:15:08,124 letters from government officials. 344 00:15:08,211 --> 00:15:11,432 Also, it would seem I had family members 345 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:13,129 who were working to establish 346 00:15:13,216 --> 00:15:15,870 a white nationalist organization. 347 00:15:15,957 --> 00:15:18,874 The National Organization of the American Spirit 348 00:15:18,961 --> 00:15:20,788 elected Rudy Aplin-- 349 00:15:20,875 --> 00:15:22,791 that was my dad's oldest brother. 350 00:15:22,878 --> 00:15:25,010 "After years and years of whites 351 00:15:25,097 --> 00:15:28,100 "fishing along the Texas coast, the government has brought in 352 00:15:28,187 --> 00:15:31,365 Vietnamese replacements for them." 353 00:15:31,451 --> 00:15:33,366 I mean, they're talking about-- 354 00:15:33,453 --> 00:15:36,936 yeah, we've heard that replacement thing today. 355 00:15:37,023 --> 00:15:40,677 The same things they're saying today, they said 45 years ago. 356 00:15:40,764 --> 00:15:44,465 - You are many! Can you feel the strength? 357 00:15:44,552 --> 00:15:46,206 all: White power! 358 00:15:46,293 --> 00:15:47,380 - White victory! 359 00:15:47,467 --> 00:15:48,947 all: White victory! 360 00:15:49,034 --> 00:15:50,123 - White power! 361 00:15:50,210 --> 00:15:51,558 all: White power! 362 00:15:51,645 --> 00:15:52,821 - America first! 363 00:15:52,908 --> 00:15:54,388 all: America first! 364 00:15:54,475 --> 00:15:56,693 narrator: Louis Beam issued a dark prophecy. 365 00:15:56,780 --> 00:16:00,133 "Where ballots fail, bullets will prevail." 366 00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:03,091 He spoke of millions confronting the police state. 367 00:16:03,178 --> 00:16:04,964 That statement was shared by the most violent 368 00:16:05,051 --> 00:16:07,009 of the far right extremists 369 00:16:07,096 --> 00:16:10,970 who attacked the Capitol on January 6. 370 00:16:11,057 --> 00:16:12,448 But the road stretching from Beam 371 00:16:12,535 --> 00:16:13,711 to the anti-government violence 372 00:16:13,798 --> 00:16:16,452 that cost Ashli Babbitt's life, 373 00:16:16,539 --> 00:16:18,629 or that inspired Timothy McVeigh, 374 00:16:18,716 --> 00:16:21,676 was long and winding. 375 00:16:21,763 --> 00:16:26,985 Before them, far right extremists had other martyrs, 376 00:16:27,072 --> 00:16:29,075 and none of them were more important 377 00:16:29,162 --> 00:16:30,946 than Robert Matthews. 378 00:16:35,558 --> 00:16:37,605 - The signs of awakening are sprouting up 379 00:16:37,692 --> 00:16:40,738 across the Northwest, and no more so 380 00:16:40,825 --> 00:16:45,047 than amongst the two-fisted farmers and ranchers, 381 00:16:45,134 --> 00:16:47,092 a class of our people who have been hit 382 00:16:47,179 --> 00:16:50,922 especially hard by the filthy, lying Jews 383 00:16:51,009 --> 00:16:53,229 and their parasitical usury system. 384 00:16:53,316 --> 00:16:55,014 narrator: Robert Matthews was the founder 385 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:59,888 of Bruder Schweigen, German for the Silent Brotherhood, 386 00:16:59,975 --> 00:17:03,109 but the group was known simply as "The Order." 387 00:17:03,196 --> 00:17:04,980 - You get the heck out of here! 388 00:17:05,067 --> 00:17:07,200 I didn't come all the way down here to hear you. 389 00:17:07,287 --> 00:17:09,419 Go over there! 390 00:17:09,506 --> 00:17:11,900 - Bob Matthews came into the movement with a splash. 391 00:17:11,987 --> 00:17:13,641 [dark music] 392 00:17:13,728 --> 00:17:15,295 When he was only 21 years old, 393 00:17:15,382 --> 00:17:17,949 he founded his first far right organization 394 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,996 and fell into favor with leaders 395 00:17:21,083 --> 00:17:24,259 of the far right architects in the Hayden Lake compound, 396 00:17:24,346 --> 00:17:27,262 ♪ ♪ 397 00:17:27,349 --> 00:17:30,396 and by the early 1980s, he had founded The Order. 398 00:17:30,483 --> 00:17:33,964 ♪ ♪ 399 00:17:34,052 --> 00:17:36,663 He formed The Order to be the tip of the spear, 400 00:17:36,750 --> 00:17:40,232 the vanguard of violent action 401 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:42,234 in furtherance of white supremacy. 402 00:17:42,322 --> 00:17:46,455 ♪ ♪ 403 00:17:46,542 --> 00:17:52,244 - In 1984, I came to be the case agent in Idaho, 404 00:17:52,332 --> 00:17:55,161 investigating the most significant 405 00:17:55,248 --> 00:17:58,555 domestic terrorist group that I had ever encountered, 406 00:17:58,642 --> 00:18:01,428 and that was a group that was known as The Order. 407 00:18:01,515 --> 00:18:03,778 ♪ ♪ 408 00:18:03,865 --> 00:18:05,345 narrator: The Order was based 409 00:18:05,432 --> 00:18:07,433 on a group of fictitious revolutionaries 410 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,045 from a white supremacist fantasy novel 411 00:18:10,132 --> 00:18:12,047 called "The Turner Diaries." 412 00:18:12,134 --> 00:18:15,876 It became a sacred text for far right extremists. 413 00:18:15,963 --> 00:18:18,836 - "The Turner Diaries" is an old book written in 1978, 414 00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:21,361 but it's brand-new for everyone who picks it up. 415 00:18:21,448 --> 00:18:25,059 That idea of the underground organization, 416 00:18:25,146 --> 00:18:30,108 hierarchically organized, bent on sparking a race war. 417 00:18:30,195 --> 00:18:33,241 narrator: "The Turner Diaries" has inspired terrorist acts 418 00:18:33,328 --> 00:18:37,028 such as McVeigh's Oklahoma City bombing, 419 00:18:37,115 --> 00:18:41,423 the mass shooting of Norwegian high schoolers in 2011, 420 00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:43,383 and an attack at a Jewish community center 421 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:46,342 in Kansas City in 2014. 422 00:18:46,429 --> 00:18:48,170 ♪ ♪ 423 00:18:48,257 --> 00:18:50,867 The book, written by a rabid neo-Nazi 424 00:18:50,954 --> 00:18:52,826 named William Luther Pierce, 425 00:18:52,913 --> 00:18:56,352 also portrays an assault on the U.S. Capitol, 426 00:18:56,439 --> 00:19:00,095 an eerie foreshadowing of January 6th. 427 00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:01,923 In this fictional version, 428 00:19:02,009 --> 00:19:05,622 dozens of attackers and legislators are killed 429 00:19:05,709 --> 00:19:09,451 in what is presented as a symbolic victory. 430 00:19:09,538 --> 00:19:11,150 [overlapping chatter] 431 00:19:11,237 --> 00:19:13,326 - Bro, I see people out there get hurt. 432 00:19:13,413 --> 00:19:15,066 I don't wanna see you get hurt. 433 00:19:15,153 --> 00:19:17,939 - Bob Matthews read this book early on, 434 00:19:18,026 --> 00:19:20,159 and it became his Bible. 435 00:19:25,946 --> 00:19:28,078 - I know that my dad had a personal relationship 436 00:19:28,166 --> 00:19:29,384 with Robert Matthews. 437 00:19:29,471 --> 00:19:31,212 He was one of the soldiers 438 00:19:31,299 --> 00:19:33,737 that actually took to heart what my dad wrote about 439 00:19:33,824 --> 00:19:36,261 and what my dad was hoping people would do 440 00:19:36,348 --> 00:19:39,265 and was trying to start that race war. 441 00:19:39,352 --> 00:19:42,006 narrator: Kelvin Pierce is the author's son 442 00:19:42,093 --> 00:19:43,486 who actively speaks out against 443 00:19:43,573 --> 00:19:45,792 his father's world view. 444 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,317 He says his father was angry, 445 00:19:48,403 --> 00:19:50,798 and not just at Jewish and Black people. 446 00:19:50,884 --> 00:19:52,146 - He would pick an object, 447 00:19:52,233 --> 00:19:53,713 whatever caught his fancy that particular day. 448 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,368 It was either an electric razor cord 449 00:19:56,455 --> 00:20:00,460 or a wire coat hanger, sometimes a two-by-four, 450 00:20:00,547 --> 00:20:03,854 and then he would just start wailing away at me, 451 00:20:03,941 --> 00:20:07,162 and to him, that was discipline. 452 00:20:07,249 --> 00:20:11,905 - Bob Matthews was a good man 453 00:20:11,992 --> 00:20:17,519 who was willing to stand up and accept responsibility. 454 00:20:17,606 --> 00:20:22,089 - There was nothing phony about Bob Matthews. 455 00:20:22,176 --> 00:20:26,702 There was no interest in personal gain. 456 00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:31,359 He believed, and he believed to his core, 457 00:20:31,446 --> 00:20:33,753 that it was up to him 458 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,018 and people like him to save America. 459 00:20:37,105 --> 00:20:39,280 narrator: At the heart of Matthews' beliefs 460 00:20:39,367 --> 00:20:41,544 was the violent anti-Semitic faith 461 00:20:41,631 --> 00:20:43,807 known as "Christian Identity," 462 00:20:43,894 --> 00:20:45,374 which led to an alliance 463 00:20:45,461 --> 00:20:49,073 with pastor Richard Butler's Aryans Nations. 464 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,337 - He picked up on the Christian identity philosophy 465 00:20:52,424 --> 00:20:54,164 once it was introduced to him. 466 00:20:54,252 --> 00:20:55,776 - Christian identity 467 00:20:55,863 --> 00:20:59,258 is the religious aspect of white supremacy 468 00:20:59,345 --> 00:21:04,740 that holds that only Aryans are righteous in God's eyes. 469 00:21:04,827 --> 00:21:07,090 - They believed that in order to have 470 00:21:07,178 --> 00:21:09,615 a second coming of Jesus Christ 471 00:21:09,702 --> 00:21:13,271 there had to be an elimination of the Jews from the world. 472 00:21:14,663 --> 00:21:16,012 [laughter] - To the right. 473 00:21:16,099 --> 00:21:18,189 - Their first goal, as The Order had it, 474 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:19,756 was to remove them 475 00:21:19,843 --> 00:21:23,717 from any political connection to this country. 476 00:21:23,804 --> 00:21:25,719 - Hail his victory. 477 00:21:25,806 --> 00:21:28,025 all: Hail victory! 478 00:21:28,112 --> 00:21:30,549 - We felt that an inordinate amount of Jews 479 00:21:30,636 --> 00:21:33,727 were in key positions-- media, finance, government-- 480 00:21:33,814 --> 00:21:36,032 and they posed a threat to our continued existence 481 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,384 if their policies continued. 482 00:21:38,471 --> 00:21:40,255 - We only had one person in The Order 483 00:21:40,342 --> 00:21:41,647 that had a criminal record. 484 00:21:41,734 --> 00:21:43,650 Only one. Gary Yarbrough. 485 00:21:43,737 --> 00:21:46,392 Beyond him, we had people that worked hard. 486 00:21:46,479 --> 00:21:47,871 They were family people. 487 00:21:47,958 --> 00:21:49,002 They took care of their families. 488 00:21:49,089 --> 00:21:50,352 Some of them--one-- 489 00:21:50,439 --> 00:21:51,570 one of them worked for the post office. 490 00:21:51,657 --> 00:21:55,443 We had people that would never have committed 491 00:21:55,530 --> 00:21:59,926 a criminal act in their life had it not been 492 00:22:00,013 --> 00:22:03,059 for the charismatic leadership of Bob Matthews. 493 00:22:04,234 --> 00:22:07,194 - There comes a certain point, and it did with our group, 494 00:22:07,281 --> 00:22:10,285 where you get tired of waiting and you think, 495 00:22:10,372 --> 00:22:12,548 "Well, maybe instead of us waiting on God, 496 00:22:12,634 --> 00:22:16,247 maybe God's waiting on us to start it all." 497 00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:19,990 And so you start making plans what you could do. 498 00:22:20,076 --> 00:22:21,904 With The Order, you know, 499 00:22:21,991 --> 00:22:23,384 having members from Aryan Nations, 500 00:22:23,471 --> 00:22:25,909 members from our group, they wanted action. 501 00:22:25,996 --> 00:22:29,782 - So, kinsmen, duty calls. The future is now. 502 00:22:29,869 --> 00:22:34,614 So stand up like men and drive the enemy into the sea. 503 00:22:34,701 --> 00:22:36,223 - I think we were all getting impatient. 504 00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:37,790 We were all getting impatient with it. 505 00:22:37,877 --> 00:22:41,576 We were tired of the talk. Let's--let's do something. 506 00:22:41,663 --> 00:22:43,317 narrator: In 1995, 507 00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:46,320 some now disillusioned former members of The Order 508 00:22:46,407 --> 00:22:48,366 broke their silence to describe the effect 509 00:22:48,453 --> 00:22:50,759 Bob Matthews had on them. 510 00:22:50,846 --> 00:22:53,284 - We were manipulated, yes. 511 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:56,200 He knew what buttons he could push on me. 512 00:22:56,287 --> 00:22:59,028 - He was like older brother I never had. 513 00:22:59,115 --> 00:23:01,423 Looking back, I'd say that he was my mentor. 514 00:23:01,509 --> 00:23:02,771 - Next thing I know, we're--we're having 515 00:23:02,858 --> 00:23:04,644 a meeting in the barracks. 516 00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:08,125 There's eight or nine of us together forming The Order. 517 00:23:08,211 --> 00:23:10,824 narrator: Matthews established strange rituals 518 00:23:10,911 --> 00:23:12,955 to go along with his code of loyalty. 519 00:23:13,042 --> 00:23:14,522 - When you were inducted into The Order, 520 00:23:14,609 --> 00:23:16,307 you swore an oath of allegiance. 521 00:23:16,394 --> 00:23:19,267 And what's fascinating is they did that 522 00:23:19,354 --> 00:23:23,402 by standing around a white female infant. 523 00:23:23,489 --> 00:23:25,708 narrator: That baby was the 4-week-old daughter 524 00:23:25,795 --> 00:23:27,230 of one of its members. 525 00:23:27,317 --> 00:23:29,319 - My baby. 526 00:23:29,407 --> 00:23:32,019 Bob asked me to have her there, so... 527 00:23:33,367 --> 00:23:34,542 - Why would he want her there? 528 00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:35,544 - That was our race right there. 529 00:23:35,631 --> 00:23:37,415 That was our--our future. 530 00:23:37,502 --> 00:23:39,374 That's why we were doing this. 531 00:23:39,461 --> 00:23:41,332 - They raised their arms in a Hitler salute and said, 532 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:42,986 "I, as an Aryan free man, 533 00:23:43,073 --> 00:23:45,249 "hereby swear an unrelenting oath 534 00:23:45,336 --> 00:23:48,251 "upon the green graves of our sires upon the children 535 00:23:48,338 --> 00:23:50,124 "and the wombs of our wives. 536 00:23:50,211 --> 00:23:51,604 "Should an enemy agent hurt you, 537 00:23:51,691 --> 00:23:53,432 "I will chase him to the ends of the Earth 538 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:54,998 and remove his head from his body." 539 00:23:55,085 --> 00:23:57,260 ♪ ♪ 540 00:23:57,347 --> 00:23:59,654 That's The Order. 541 00:23:59,741 --> 00:24:02,701 - [sighs] 542 00:24:02,788 --> 00:24:04,834 I just kept looking at my daughter, I guess. 543 00:24:04,921 --> 00:24:07,445 ♪ ♪ 544 00:24:07,532 --> 00:24:09,925 And justifying this, I guess. 545 00:24:10,012 --> 00:24:14,191 - The idea behind The Order was that they would be lethal, 546 00:24:14,278 --> 00:24:18,760 secret, and somehow morally above reproach. 547 00:24:18,847 --> 00:24:21,154 So while we will engage in robbery and murder, 548 00:24:21,241 --> 00:24:23,809 it won't be against white mom and pop shops 549 00:24:23,896 --> 00:24:25,159 or--or et cetera. 550 00:24:25,246 --> 00:24:26,376 - He said, "Well, guys, if you gotta-- 551 00:24:26,464 --> 00:24:28,641 "if you gotta rob, let's-- 552 00:24:28,728 --> 00:24:31,251 "let's get rid of the evil, let's-- 553 00:24:31,338 --> 00:24:35,256 "let's rob these drug dealers or porno bookstores 554 00:24:35,343 --> 00:24:36,561 and stuff like that," you know. 555 00:24:36,648 --> 00:24:37,737 - What were they gonna do with the money 556 00:24:37,824 --> 00:24:38,954 once they got the money? 557 00:24:39,041 --> 00:24:41,000 - Send it out to these organizations 558 00:24:41,087 --> 00:24:43,916 like Aryan Nations so they could expand. 559 00:24:44,003 --> 00:24:47,528 - People don't realize how committed, dedicated, 560 00:24:47,615 --> 00:24:51,881 and involved The Order was in promoting its goals. 561 00:24:51,968 --> 00:24:53,970 narrator: The Order was determined 562 00:24:54,057 --> 00:24:55,537 to spread its message 563 00:24:55,624 --> 00:24:58,105 to the white population of the United States, 564 00:24:58,192 --> 00:25:02,239 making common cause with like-minded groups. 565 00:25:02,326 --> 00:25:04,546 - They were the most active domestic security group 566 00:25:04,633 --> 00:25:08,375 to ever operate in the United States. 567 00:25:08,462 --> 00:25:10,464 Every month there'd be another criminal act, 568 00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:11,857 a serious criminal act. 569 00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:13,032 And then the next month, 570 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,425 another and another and another. 571 00:25:15,513 --> 00:25:17,645 narrator: The Order began its crime wave 572 00:25:17,732 --> 00:25:20,605 by holding up a pornography store in Spokane, Washington, 573 00:25:20,692 --> 00:25:24,913 and reportedly stealing $369. 574 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,699 - No, we didn't get much money, 575 00:25:26,786 --> 00:25:29,266 but it's better to start small and work your way up. 576 00:25:29,353 --> 00:25:31,964 If we can't take this first little step, 577 00:25:32,051 --> 00:25:35,795 then we might as well unpack our bags and go back home. 578 00:25:35,882 --> 00:25:38,624 narrator: The Order also got into counterfeiting, 579 00:25:38,711 --> 00:25:41,887 but the forgeries were poor, and Bruce Pierce 580 00:25:41,974 --> 00:25:45,500 was arrested trying to use them. 581 00:25:45,586 --> 00:25:47,720 Bob Matthews was furious. 582 00:25:47,807 --> 00:25:49,025 - I never saw Bob like that before. 583 00:25:49,112 --> 00:25:53,202 He was upset, real pale. 584 00:25:53,289 --> 00:25:54,640 I said, I go, "What's the matter, Bob?" 585 00:25:54,727 --> 00:25:56,076 He says, "I gotta do something. 586 00:25:56,163 --> 00:25:58,599 "Bruce is still in prison, and I gotta get him out. 587 00:25:58,686 --> 00:26:00,210 "I'm letting-- letting everybody down. 588 00:26:00,297 --> 00:26:01,384 I'm letting everybody down." 589 00:26:01,471 --> 00:26:03,257 - He took off with a gun. 590 00:26:03,344 --> 00:26:05,867 We didn't see him again for three months. 591 00:26:05,954 --> 00:26:08,000 And he's talking about robbing a bank. 592 00:26:08,087 --> 00:26:09,741 For one, I didn't think he would follow through 593 00:26:09,828 --> 00:26:12,179 because he was scared to death. 594 00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:15,442 narrator: But Matthews knew he needed to set an example. 595 00:26:15,529 --> 00:26:17,140 So in December 1983, 596 00:26:17,227 --> 00:26:19,925 he single-handedly robbed a bank near Seattle, 597 00:26:20,012 --> 00:26:22,798 getting away with $26,000 598 00:26:22,884 --> 00:26:25,321 stashed in a child's trick-or-treat bag. 599 00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:29,457 - He comes back. He's euphoric, we're euphoric. 600 00:26:29,544 --> 00:26:32,460 People that drifted away, now they're back again. 601 00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:34,417 He made it look so easy. 602 00:26:34,505 --> 00:26:36,289 narrator: Inspired by their leader, 603 00:26:36,376 --> 00:26:40,032 The Order embarks on a series of armored car robberies, 604 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,644 collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars. 605 00:26:42,730 --> 00:26:44,951 [dramatic music] 606 00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:46,299 - They did what they set out to do. 607 00:26:46,386 --> 00:26:47,605 They raised money. They did it well. 608 00:26:47,692 --> 00:26:49,955 They were able to make cash disbursements 609 00:26:50,042 --> 00:26:52,698 to other organizations to help them thrive. 610 00:26:52,785 --> 00:26:55,265 - I felt almost like as-- like a Robin Hood type thing, 611 00:26:55,352 --> 00:26:56,657 because I knew most of the money 612 00:26:56,744 --> 00:26:58,747 that we stole was being given away. 613 00:26:58,834 --> 00:27:00,443 - Bob would go around the country 614 00:27:00,530 --> 00:27:02,837 and meet with these people and, you know, 615 00:27:02,924 --> 00:27:04,926 give them a few thousand and say there's more 616 00:27:05,013 --> 00:27:09,323 if--if I like the way your movement is going. 617 00:27:09,410 --> 00:27:11,846 And if it's going in the right direction or not. 618 00:27:11,933 --> 00:27:14,022 - They say money gives you power. 619 00:27:14,109 --> 00:27:15,981 Well, I think the money gave him power 620 00:27:16,068 --> 00:27:18,288 thinking that he was invincible. 621 00:27:18,375 --> 00:27:20,334 ♪ ♪ 622 00:27:20,421 --> 00:27:22,075 narrator: In support of their course, 623 00:27:22,162 --> 00:27:24,381 The Order, flushed with cash, 624 00:27:24,468 --> 00:27:28,124 began to support an alliance of white supremacist groups, 625 00:27:28,211 --> 00:27:30,560 including the Covenant, the Sword, 626 00:27:30,648 --> 00:27:32,127 and the Arm of the Lord. 627 00:27:32,214 --> 00:27:34,304 - There were so successful at fundraising. 628 00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:37,829 They had funds to disperse to other far right ideologies, 629 00:27:37,916 --> 00:27:39,134 including the CSA. 630 00:27:39,221 --> 00:27:41,181 In the mid-'80s, they gave the CSA 631 00:27:41,268 --> 00:27:43,791 a dispersal of cash they used to purchase some land 632 00:27:43,878 --> 00:27:47,012 that they used to build a paramilitary training camp. 633 00:27:47,099 --> 00:27:47,926 narrator: But staging robberies 634 00:27:48,013 --> 00:27:49,798 and distributing funds 635 00:27:49,884 --> 00:27:52,192 wasn't going to spread the group's message. 636 00:27:52,278 --> 00:27:54,585 So Matthews hit on a new strategy, 637 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,719 a plot to murder prominent Jews. 638 00:27:57,806 --> 00:27:59,328 Jews have been blamed throughout history 639 00:27:59,415 --> 00:28:01,288 for all manner of ills. 640 00:28:01,375 --> 00:28:05,248 As the Nazis rose to power, Adolf Hitler accused Jews, 641 00:28:05,335 --> 00:28:07,685 who were less than 1% of the population, 642 00:28:07,772 --> 00:28:12,211 of being responsible for Germany's economic collapse. 643 00:28:12,298 --> 00:28:14,474 In the paranoid world of Robert Matthews, 644 00:28:14,561 --> 00:28:16,477 American Jews who are less than 2% 645 00:28:16,564 --> 00:28:19,435 of the population we're an easy scapegoat. 646 00:28:19,522 --> 00:28:21,351 - If you're not a Christian, you're un-American. 647 00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:22,788 Is at your point, sir? - That's right. 648 00:28:22,875 --> 00:28:24,093 - Good point, sir. 649 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:25,921 You and your red neck go to bed. 650 00:28:26,008 --> 00:28:28,836 - You're listening to Alan Berg on KOA. 651 00:28:28,923 --> 00:28:31,797 Alan Berg on KOA in Denver. 652 00:28:31,884 --> 00:28:34,799 - Alan Berg was a Jewish radio host, 653 00:28:34,886 --> 00:28:37,192 and he had a tendency to sort of mock the far right. 654 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:39,065 He actually got into an argument 655 00:28:39,152 --> 00:28:41,936 with a far right leader on the radio, 656 00:28:42,023 --> 00:28:44,287 and that landed him on the target list of The Order. 657 00:28:44,374 --> 00:28:46,159 - I think the Jews are still firmly in control 658 00:28:46,246 --> 00:28:47,813 of the subject union. I think they're responsible 659 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:49,815 for the murder of 50 million white Christians. 660 00:28:49,902 --> 00:28:51,468 - You think so, huh? - Yes, I do. 661 00:28:51,555 --> 00:28:52,817 - I think you're sick. I think you're pathetic. 662 00:28:52,904 --> 00:28:54,644 - That's real. - I think your ability 663 00:28:54,732 --> 00:28:55,820 to reason and use any logic is a tragedy. 664 00:28:55,907 --> 00:28:57,125 - Why don't you put a Nazi 665 00:28:57,212 --> 00:28:58,692 on your program and then have somebody-- 666 00:28:58,779 --> 00:29:00,477 - Sir, you are a Nazi by your very own admission. 667 00:29:00,564 --> 00:29:02,044 Thank you so much. 668 00:29:02,131 --> 00:29:03,828 That's right. You heard it. 669 00:29:03,915 --> 00:29:06,005 narrator: In June 1984, Robert Matthews 670 00:29:06,092 --> 00:29:10,051 decided Alan Berg would be assassinated. 671 00:29:10,138 --> 00:29:11,967 Bruce Pierce would be the trigger man, 672 00:29:12,054 --> 00:29:15,665 accompanied by Richard Scutari and David Lane. 673 00:29:15,753 --> 00:29:17,493 The three drove to Denver and waited for Berg 674 00:29:17,580 --> 00:29:19,496 to arrive home. 675 00:29:19,583 --> 00:29:21,890 Then when the talk show host pulled into his driveway, 676 00:29:21,977 --> 00:29:23,892 they gunned him down. 677 00:29:23,979 --> 00:29:25,938 - Thank you very much, sir. 678 00:29:26,025 --> 00:29:29,897 - They gunned him down with a fully automatic weapon. 679 00:29:29,984 --> 00:29:31,638 narrator: This is the MAC-10 machine gun 680 00:29:31,726 --> 00:29:33,292 that was used to kill Berg. 681 00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:36,775 Berg was hit multiple times and died on the spot. 682 00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:42,084 - Louis Beam was attending the Aryan Nation Congress, 683 00:29:42,171 --> 00:29:45,740 and he made comments to the crowd 684 00:29:45,826 --> 00:29:48,307 that a significant development had been made 685 00:29:48,394 --> 00:29:50,657 and one of their Jewish enemies 686 00:29:50,744 --> 00:29:54,488 had been taken care of. 687 00:29:54,575 --> 00:29:55,663 This turned my head. 688 00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:58,186 ♪ ♪ 689 00:29:58,273 --> 00:30:01,494 - Do you have it in you to be strong, to brave, 690 00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:03,192 to stand up for your folk and your people 691 00:30:03,278 --> 00:30:04,932 and to act like a white person? 692 00:30:05,019 --> 00:30:06,630 Do you? - Yes! 693 00:30:06,717 --> 00:30:09,502 - To them, it was a strong indicator 694 00:30:09,589 --> 00:30:11,026 that they were on the right path 695 00:30:11,113 --> 00:30:12,722 and that the things they were doing 696 00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:15,377 would eventually intimidate the government to the point 697 00:30:15,464 --> 00:30:17,076 that they would get their demands. 698 00:30:17,163 --> 00:30:19,208 They were creating another country. 699 00:30:19,295 --> 00:30:21,906 They were creating a country of Aryans, 700 00:30:21,993 --> 00:30:25,432 free of Jews. 701 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,781 narrator: Former Order member, Denver Parmenter, 702 00:30:27,868 --> 00:30:30,349 would later reveal disturbing details 703 00:30:30,436 --> 00:30:33,395 about The Order's plan for an Aryan Nation. 704 00:30:33,482 --> 00:30:35,963 - In court this morning, Parmenter testified 705 00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:38,270 that members of The Order discussed assassinating 706 00:30:38,357 --> 00:30:40,011 not only Alan Berg, 707 00:30:40,098 --> 00:30:42,840 but also Hollywood television producer Norman Lear. 708 00:30:42,927 --> 00:30:44,319 Lear is a Jew, and The Order felt 709 00:30:44,406 --> 00:30:46,539 his programs were anti-white. 710 00:30:46,626 --> 00:30:48,715 In testimony last Friday, 711 00:30:48,802 --> 00:30:50,586 Parmenter had disclosed the existence 712 00:30:50,673 --> 00:30:52,459 of The Order's assassination unit. 713 00:30:52,546 --> 00:30:53,721 And he said other targets were 714 00:30:53,807 --> 00:30:55,809 Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller, 715 00:30:55,896 --> 00:30:58,073 and the heads of the three major networks. 716 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,770 Parmenter said the news media were 717 00:31:00,858 --> 00:31:03,251 "responsible for indoctrinating our race, 718 00:31:03,338 --> 00:31:05,340 poisoning their minds." 719 00:31:08,126 --> 00:31:10,128 - Their ultimate goal was to establish 720 00:31:10,215 --> 00:31:12,305 a whites-only homeland. 721 00:31:12,392 --> 00:31:14,523 Initially in the Pacific Northwest, 722 00:31:14,611 --> 00:31:16,482 but ultimately they intended 723 00:31:16,569 --> 00:31:19,615 that to become almost the entirety of North America, 724 00:31:19,702 --> 00:31:21,356 all the way down to the Mexican border 725 00:31:21,443 --> 00:31:22,968 and all the way up through Canada. 726 00:31:23,055 --> 00:31:24,446 Their intention, their stated goal 727 00:31:24,534 --> 00:31:26,101 was for that to be an Aryan homeland. 728 00:31:30,888 --> 00:31:33,934 - A letter was sent to Congress 729 00:31:34,021 --> 00:31:37,068 declaring a state of war 730 00:31:37,155 --> 00:31:40,246 between The Order and the United States. 731 00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:43,030 And in the letter that they sent to Congress, 732 00:31:43,117 --> 00:31:45,119 they tell them specifically, 733 00:31:45,207 --> 00:31:47,513 "We don't care whether you swing to the left 734 00:31:47,601 --> 00:31:49,516 "or you swing to the right. 735 00:31:49,603 --> 00:31:51,997 We'll swing you by the neck." 736 00:31:52,084 --> 00:31:56,174 narrator: By July 1984, feeling almost invincible, 737 00:31:56,261 --> 00:31:58,873 The Order staged what would be their most lucrative 738 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,396 and high-profile robbery. 739 00:32:01,483 --> 00:32:03,660 Equipped with armor-piercing bullets, 740 00:32:03,747 --> 00:32:08,622 the group held up a Brink's truck for $3.6 million. 741 00:32:08,709 --> 00:32:12,017 But they were overconfident and sloppy. 742 00:32:12,104 --> 00:32:14,540 Matthews left the gun on the truck's front seat. 743 00:32:14,627 --> 00:32:17,282 The authorities traced it to another member of the group 744 00:32:17,369 --> 00:32:21,329 and the FBI made investigating The Order a top priority. 745 00:32:21,416 --> 00:32:25,900 - Once I was able to show strong probability 746 00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:31,165 that people associated with the Aryan Nations 747 00:32:31,252 --> 00:32:33,820 were committing crimes, 748 00:32:33,907 --> 00:32:36,345 the Attorney General gave the consent 749 00:32:36,432 --> 00:32:39,653 to do a full-scale investigation. 750 00:32:44,309 --> 00:32:48,140 [dramatic music] 751 00:32:48,227 --> 00:32:50,445 narrator: Then the FBI got a tip. 752 00:32:50,532 --> 00:32:52,099 Matthews was planning the murder 753 00:32:52,186 --> 00:32:56,974 of the well-known civil rights attorney Morris Dees. 754 00:32:57,061 --> 00:33:00,020 - And if these people really truly wanna have a revolution, 755 00:33:00,107 --> 00:33:01,457 then they have that right. 756 00:33:01,544 --> 00:33:03,502 But we have a right as a free people 757 00:33:03,589 --> 00:33:06,767 to protect our democratic society. 758 00:33:06,854 --> 00:33:08,855 narrator: Through his Southern Poverty Law Center, 759 00:33:08,942 --> 00:33:12,294 Dees has fought hate groups for 48 years. 760 00:33:12,381 --> 00:33:16,342 In 2000, Dees would win a $6 million judgment 761 00:33:16,429 --> 00:33:20,476 against Richard Butler, bankrupting the Aryan Nations 762 00:33:20,563 --> 00:33:24,219 and one-time ally of The Order. 763 00:33:24,306 --> 00:33:28,919 But back in 1984, The Order was the target, 764 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:32,705 and the FBI was in hot pursuit. 765 00:33:32,792 --> 00:33:35,361 The bureau had an informant inside The Order. 766 00:33:35,448 --> 00:33:37,363 His name was Tom Martinez. 767 00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:40,147 - He wasn't asking. He was telling me, 768 00:33:40,234 --> 00:33:42,977 "You're gonna be part of a cell to kidnap 769 00:33:43,064 --> 00:33:45,458 and murder Morris Dees." 770 00:33:45,545 --> 00:33:47,763 And he said, "We're gonna torture him." 771 00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:51,159 ♪ ♪ 772 00:33:51,246 --> 00:33:52,942 narrator: Martinez, Matthews, 773 00:33:53,030 --> 00:33:56,295 and fellow Order member Gary Yarbrough 774 00:33:56,382 --> 00:33:59,253 rented motel rooms in Portland, Oregon. 775 00:33:59,340 --> 00:34:01,256 - I went over to the Pico, 776 00:34:01,343 --> 00:34:04,519 and I could see Bob come out on the balcony. 777 00:34:04,606 --> 00:34:07,435 I never in my life was so scared. 778 00:34:07,522 --> 00:34:08,871 I heard a shot fired. 779 00:34:08,958 --> 00:34:11,918 ♪ ♪ 780 00:34:12,005 --> 00:34:13,659 I heard voices yelling. 781 00:34:13,746 --> 00:34:15,096 [siren wailing] 782 00:34:15,182 --> 00:34:17,228 Next thing you know, I hear sirens. 783 00:34:17,315 --> 00:34:20,318 Police were out there, cameras, 784 00:34:20,405 --> 00:34:22,233 news people, reporters. 785 00:34:25,018 --> 00:34:27,152 - We almost had him in Portland, 786 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,284 but he shot an FBI agent 787 00:34:29,371 --> 00:34:30,981 and then another FBI agent shot him. 788 00:34:31,068 --> 00:34:33,288 narrator: Matthews, only lightly wounded, 789 00:34:33,375 --> 00:34:34,855 from a gunshot to his right hand, 790 00:34:34,942 --> 00:34:37,161 was able to escape, 791 00:34:37,248 --> 00:34:40,512 but a defiant Gary Yarbrough was captured. 792 00:34:42,253 --> 00:34:43,646 - Christ the king! 793 00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:45,213 I don't follow man's laws. 794 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,476 I am a Christian first and an American second. 795 00:34:49,739 --> 00:34:52,786 If anybody attacks God's law or God's people, 796 00:34:52,873 --> 00:34:55,657 yes, you have the right to defend yourself. 797 00:34:55,744 --> 00:34:58,313 It says to drive all of those people 798 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,577 who are opposed to my laws from us. 799 00:35:02,664 --> 00:35:04,840 To cast--cast them away. 800 00:35:04,927 --> 00:35:06,277 narrator: The FBI found a note Matthews 801 00:35:06,364 --> 00:35:09,150 had left behind in his motel room. 802 00:35:09,237 --> 00:35:12,545 "Surrender now, or face daily firefights 803 00:35:12,632 --> 00:35:14,329 "with the heavily armed warriors 804 00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:16,679 of the white American Revolutionary Army." 805 00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:20,030 ♪ ♪ 806 00:35:20,117 --> 00:35:22,641 What Matthews did next would become a tale of heroism 807 00:35:22,728 --> 00:35:25,079 handed down by far right-handed extremists 808 00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,385 from generation to generation. 809 00:35:27,472 --> 00:35:29,431 - And then he took refuge 810 00:35:29,518 --> 00:35:32,739 in a hideout in Whidbey Island, Washington. 811 00:35:32,826 --> 00:35:35,045 narrator: For two days, Matthews hid out in a cabin 812 00:35:35,132 --> 00:35:38,396 and waited for what he knew would be inevitable. 813 00:35:38,483 --> 00:35:41,356 A final showdown with the FBI. 814 00:35:41,443 --> 00:35:43,141 - FBI SWAT teams 815 00:35:43,228 --> 00:35:45,534 started their invasion of Whidbey Island last night 816 00:35:45,621 --> 00:35:46,927 and stretching into the morning. 817 00:35:47,014 --> 00:35:48,536 narrator: While he waited, 818 00:35:48,623 --> 00:35:51,583 he made an audio recording for Richard Kemp, 819 00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:55,108 a member who'd said he wanted to resign from The Order. 820 00:36:14,476 --> 00:36:16,085 - I think his last words were, 821 00:36:16,173 --> 00:36:17,478 "You guys are gonna have to live with that." 822 00:36:24,746 --> 00:36:27,097 narrator: On December 7th, the FBI tracked Matthews 823 00:36:27,184 --> 00:36:30,927 to a remote location in Washington State. 824 00:36:31,014 --> 00:36:33,059 More than 75 heavily armed agents 825 00:36:33,146 --> 00:36:36,193 took up positions around a cabin on Whidbey Island. 826 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,673 - And we're hoping to resolve the matter as quickly 827 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,197 and as safely as we can. 828 00:36:40,284 --> 00:36:42,199 - When I got to Whidbey Island, 829 00:36:42,286 --> 00:36:45,768 I tried my best to get him to come out of that bunker 830 00:36:45,855 --> 00:36:49,293 and talk with me 831 00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:52,731 and surrender and not sacrifice his life. 832 00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:56,126 Bob was committed. 833 00:36:56,213 --> 00:36:58,259 There was no changing his mind. 834 00:36:58,346 --> 00:37:03,873 He was too far down the road to abandon his beliefs. 835 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,396 - You are continuing to negotiate? 836 00:37:05,483 --> 00:37:06,440 - Yes, at this time. 837 00:37:06,527 --> 00:37:08,791 - How are you talking to him? 838 00:37:08,878 --> 00:37:09,922 - I can't discuss that at this time. 839 00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:11,445 - Is he armed? - We don't know. 840 00:37:11,532 --> 00:37:14,101 We presume he is. - Why is it taking so long? 841 00:37:14,188 --> 00:37:14,971 - I-I can't discuss any of this further. 842 00:37:15,057 --> 00:37:16,016 Thank you. 843 00:37:16,103 --> 00:37:18,061 - Were shots fired by-- 844 00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:19,846 narrator: For 32 hours, the FBI tried 845 00:37:19,932 --> 00:37:23,893 to convince Matthews to surrender, 846 00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:26,809 but Matthews refused to come out. 847 00:37:26,896 --> 00:37:28,724 ♪ ♪ 848 00:37:28,811 --> 00:37:30,378 - I was part of a SWAT team, 849 00:37:30,465 --> 00:37:33,641 and we decided that we would go in and bring him out. 850 00:37:33,728 --> 00:37:36,601 As we made the initial approach into the house, 851 00:37:36,688 --> 00:37:39,605 he opened fire with a fully automatic weapon. 852 00:37:39,692 --> 00:37:41,606 [gunfire] 853 00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:43,434 ♪ ♪ 854 00:37:43,521 --> 00:37:46,568 I took several rounds just within inches of my head. 855 00:37:46,655 --> 00:37:48,483 I was very fortunate that I wasn't hit. 856 00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:52,661 - No agents were injured. 857 00:37:52,748 --> 00:37:57,143 They were able to move themselves from the building. 858 00:37:57,231 --> 00:38:00,364 ♪ ♪ 859 00:38:00,452 --> 00:38:03,106 - Later that night, we were still trying to get him out. 860 00:38:03,193 --> 00:38:06,719 We sent a helicopter in and the helicopters set down 861 00:38:06,806 --> 00:38:09,809 just above the top of the roof, 862 00:38:09,896 --> 00:38:12,333 and he opened fire on the helicopter, 863 00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:14,769 and then he turned and opened fire on me again. 864 00:38:14,856 --> 00:38:16,989 There were two other agents with me. 865 00:38:17,077 --> 00:38:19,166 The three of us were taking some pretty heavy fire 866 00:38:19,253 --> 00:38:20,514 from him through the window. 867 00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:24,431 narrator: That night, the FBI worried 868 00:38:24,518 --> 00:38:27,827 that Matthews would try to escape in the dark. 869 00:38:27,914 --> 00:38:30,742 They fired illumination flares into the air. 870 00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:33,440 One of them fell on the cabin. 871 00:38:33,527 --> 00:38:37,139 - The house eventually was caught up in a blaze. 872 00:38:37,226 --> 00:38:40,708 - Unfortunately, a fire started. 873 00:38:40,795 --> 00:38:44,452 I feel quite certain that he succumbed 874 00:38:44,539 --> 00:38:47,019 to the--the heat smoke. 875 00:38:47,106 --> 00:38:49,152 [dramatic music] 876 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,545 narrator: Robert Matthews was dead, 877 00:38:51,632 --> 00:38:55,985 but his dark legend was only just beginning. 878 00:38:56,072 --> 00:38:57,291 - I was there through the night 879 00:38:57,378 --> 00:38:58,726 and walked up the next morning. 880 00:38:58,813 --> 00:39:01,556 He was laying at ground level in a tub. 881 00:39:01,643 --> 00:39:03,384 - An autopsy will be conducted tomorrow 882 00:39:03,471 --> 00:39:05,603 on the human remains found in the ashes. 883 00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:08,257 - Bob deliberately sacrificed his life 884 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:13,001 knowing that the blood of martyrs stirs the people. 885 00:39:13,088 --> 00:39:16,789 - He died defending what he believed was the right thing. 886 00:39:20,835 --> 00:39:22,402 narrator: No surrender. 887 00:39:22,489 --> 00:39:24,012 That was what turned Bob Matthews 888 00:39:24,099 --> 00:39:27,407 from a man into a dangerous martyr 889 00:39:27,494 --> 00:39:30,976 for far right extremists everywhere. 890 00:39:31,063 --> 00:39:33,936 [somber music] 891 00:39:34,023 --> 00:39:36,851 ♪ ♪ 892 00:39:36,938 --> 00:39:41,161 - We're going to Freeland. It's on Whidbey Island. 893 00:39:41,248 --> 00:39:45,599 It's a town where Bob Matthews got in a shoot-out in 1984 894 00:39:45,686 --> 00:39:51,039 with 75 members of the federal law enforcement. 895 00:39:51,126 --> 00:39:54,608 Yeah, it's kinda interesting to come out here 896 00:39:54,695 --> 00:40:00,005 and see the spot where Bob Matthews died. 897 00:40:00,092 --> 00:40:03,139 narrator: Every year since December 8, 1984, 898 00:40:03,226 --> 00:40:06,186 and those final desperate hours at the cabin, 899 00:40:06,273 --> 00:40:08,840 Whidbey Island has been a place of pilgrimage 900 00:40:08,927 --> 00:40:11,409 for far right extremists. 901 00:40:11,496 --> 00:40:12,887 - What do you think of this gathering here? 902 00:40:12,974 --> 00:40:14,889 Is it something that you're gonna say a few prayers 903 00:40:14,976 --> 00:40:16,675 for Robert Matthews? Is that why you're here? 904 00:40:16,762 --> 00:40:18,240 - Maybe a silent one, yes. 905 00:40:18,327 --> 00:40:19,721 - What kind of-- 906 00:40:19,807 --> 00:40:21,548 - It's just a-- this was just a memorial. 907 00:40:21,635 --> 00:40:26,032 Just a--just a get-together of a few of us and that's all. 908 00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:28,251 narrator: Sacred to white supremacists, 909 00:40:28,338 --> 00:40:30,427 the anniversary has also been a draw 910 00:40:30,514 --> 00:40:32,690 for left-wing anti-fascist groups, 911 00:40:32,777 --> 00:40:34,344 hoping to confront them. 912 00:40:34,431 --> 00:40:35,780 - Thank you to the neo-Nazis 913 00:40:35,867 --> 00:40:38,958 for uniting all these diverse groups. 914 00:40:39,045 --> 00:40:42,570 - Yay, Whidbey Island! [cheers] 915 00:40:42,657 --> 00:40:44,485 - This is a memorial service, we never protest any of 916 00:40:44,572 --> 00:40:46,530 their funerals or anything. That's ridiculous. 917 00:40:46,617 --> 00:40:48,315 - All we came for was a memorial service. 918 00:40:48,402 --> 00:40:49,708 You know, we didn't come up here to start stuff. 919 00:40:49,795 --> 00:40:50,751 - Just a private-- - We're not here to run around 920 00:40:50,838 --> 00:40:52,318 and hurt people or start something. 921 00:40:52,405 --> 00:40:53,668 - We wanted to have a little campfire in a campground 922 00:40:53,755 --> 00:40:55,626 and remember this guy. 923 00:40:55,713 --> 00:40:57,367 That's all. 924 00:40:57,454 --> 00:40:59,456 - Why is he so dear to your heart? 925 00:40:59,543 --> 00:41:01,588 - Because he did a lot for the movement. 926 00:41:01,675 --> 00:41:03,896 - Fifty miles away and you people just can't leave 927 00:41:03,983 --> 00:41:05,244 a white man alone, can you? 928 00:41:13,427 --> 00:41:15,690 - Today is December 8th. You know, 929 00:41:15,777 --> 00:41:18,998 it's the 37th anniversary of Bob Matthews' death. 930 00:41:19,085 --> 00:41:21,827 narrator: Sean Gillespie spent 16 years in prison 931 00:41:21,914 --> 00:41:23,829 for hate crimes. 932 00:41:23,916 --> 00:41:26,527 - It'd be interesting to see who shows up. 933 00:41:26,614 --> 00:41:29,835 I'm definitely a little nervous, you know. 934 00:41:29,922 --> 00:41:31,576 Since I've left, I've never really 935 00:41:31,663 --> 00:41:35,143 had any interaction with anybody in the movement. 936 00:41:35,231 --> 00:41:38,190 narrator: When he first joined the Aryan Nations at 15, 937 00:41:38,277 --> 00:41:41,367 Sean remembers how he once considered Robert Matthews 938 00:41:41,454 --> 00:41:43,936 a martyr, a hero. 939 00:41:44,023 --> 00:41:47,242 - Bob Matthews represented basically, you know, 940 00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:48,983 not, like, giving up, 941 00:41:49,070 --> 00:41:51,596 like, going the full extent, 942 00:41:51,682 --> 00:41:54,467 to the most extreme that you can, 943 00:41:54,554 --> 00:41:57,427 and that's giving your life for a cause. 944 00:41:57,514 --> 00:41:59,038 narrator: And it's a cause that Sean 945 00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:01,300 completely rejects today. 946 00:42:01,387 --> 00:42:03,737 - I got 30 years off my sentence, 947 00:42:03,824 --> 00:42:05,434 and I'm not fucking it up. 948 00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:07,655 narrator: And talks openly about it, 949 00:42:07,742 --> 00:42:10,831 hoping to change people's minds. 950 00:42:10,918 --> 00:42:13,574 - The world has become more diverse. 951 00:42:13,661 --> 00:42:18,360 And I think it's kinda disproven 952 00:42:18,447 --> 00:42:20,188 a lot of what they believed in. 953 00:42:20,275 --> 00:42:22,931 I mean, there's so much stuff out there nowadays proving 954 00:42:23,018 --> 00:42:25,934 that one race is not superior to the other. 955 00:42:26,021 --> 00:42:28,284 - You're here to honor the memory of Bob Matthews, 956 00:42:28,371 --> 00:42:30,242 who was--who was a racist. He was violent. 957 00:42:30,329 --> 00:42:32,724 He robbed banks and he also killed Alan Berg. 958 00:42:32,811 --> 00:42:35,465 So do you--do you espouse his philosophies? 959 00:42:35,552 --> 00:42:36,902 - I don't know everything about The Order, 960 00:42:36,989 --> 00:42:38,990 you know, like, you--you may think I do. 961 00:42:39,077 --> 00:42:40,818 I-I know he fought for our people. 962 00:42:40,905 --> 00:42:44,300 - If Bob Matthews had been on January 6th, 963 00:42:44,387 --> 00:42:46,302 he probably would've been planting bombs. 964 00:42:46,389 --> 00:42:47,695 He probably would've been trying 965 00:42:47,782 --> 00:42:49,610 to execute members of Congress. 966 00:42:49,697 --> 00:42:51,393 I mean, you know, he advocated 967 00:42:51,481 --> 00:42:53,831 the violent overthrow of this government. 968 00:42:53,918 --> 00:42:56,311 And him and members of The Order would have gladly 969 00:42:56,398 --> 00:42:59,097 ratcheted the level of violence up. 970 00:42:59,184 --> 00:43:02,492 - These individuals conspired to overthrow the United States 971 00:43:02,579 --> 00:43:04,233 government by force and violence. 972 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,541 ♪ ♪ 973 00:43:07,628 --> 00:43:11,893 - 20 years ago, I would have definitely been at that rally. 974 00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:14,635 And I would've definitely have been one of the ones 975 00:43:14,722 --> 00:43:16,550 who was violent, and knowing me, 976 00:43:16,637 --> 00:43:18,726 I probably would have brought it to an extreme. 977 00:43:18,813 --> 00:43:22,338 Stand, my kindred, now, before it's too late. 978 00:43:22,425 --> 00:43:25,951 Because if you're not with us, you are against us. 979 00:43:26,038 --> 00:43:28,083 - What the fuck's your problem, man? 980 00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:30,259 - I-I honestly don't know what I'm expecting. 981 00:43:30,346 --> 00:43:35,090 I think it's--it's gonna be... 982 00:43:35,177 --> 00:43:39,791 them spewing hatred, and... 983 00:43:39,878 --> 00:43:41,530 ♪ ♪ 984 00:43:41,619 --> 00:43:44,230 If they even show up. 985 00:43:44,317 --> 00:43:47,233 And yeah, I don't really expect too much from 'em. 986 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,365 Definitely not afraid of 'em, but at the same time, 987 00:43:50,452 --> 00:43:53,543 it is kinda, you know, nerve-racking 988 00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:58,199 to know that, at one time, I was one of these people. 989 00:43:58,286 --> 00:44:00,333 - They can take my picture as much as they want. 990 00:44:00,420 --> 00:44:03,902 Hail Robert Matthews! Hail Robert Matthews! 991 00:44:03,989 --> 00:44:07,034 all: Hail Robert Matthews! Hail Robert Matthews! 992 00:44:09,646 --> 00:44:13,563 - So we are at the location where in 1984, 993 00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:15,000 Robert J. Matthews, 994 00:44:15,086 --> 00:44:17,916 a member of The Order, got into a shoot-out 995 00:44:18,003 --> 00:44:20,875 with 75 federal agents. 996 00:44:20,961 --> 00:44:23,748 It was down the hill. 997 00:44:23,835 --> 00:44:26,967 That was where the shoot-out occurred, down this road. 998 00:44:27,054 --> 00:44:30,842 It's private property now. 999 00:44:30,929 --> 00:44:33,322 But this is where it happened. 1000 00:44:33,409 --> 00:44:36,282 narrator: But Sean does not expect what he finds. 1001 00:44:36,369 --> 00:44:39,719 Absolutely no one has shown up to commemorate 1002 00:44:39,806 --> 00:44:44,159 the anniversary of Matthews' death. 1003 00:44:44,246 --> 00:44:45,987 - I don't know why they aren't here. 1004 00:44:46,074 --> 00:44:49,208 You know, I mean, it's, you know, that's a good thing. 1005 00:44:49,295 --> 00:44:52,123 Maybe it's--shows that, you know, 1006 00:44:52,210 --> 00:44:55,300 these people are diminished and their--and their hate. 1007 00:44:55,387 --> 00:44:57,346 You know, there's not as many people out there 1008 00:44:57,432 --> 00:45:00,436 that are actively involved in the white Supremacist movement 1009 00:45:00,523 --> 00:45:03,438 as there used to be, or it could just be, 1010 00:45:03,525 --> 00:45:07,574 you know, they're afraid of the political climate now. 1011 00:45:07,661 --> 00:45:09,358 You know, they-- they act like, you know, 1012 00:45:09,445 --> 00:45:10,619 "Oh, nobody will forget your name 1013 00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:12,318 if you do something." 1014 00:45:12,405 --> 00:45:14,623 And it's like, I mean, they--they know his name, 1015 00:45:14,711 --> 00:45:17,802 but they do forget being a martyr 1016 00:45:17,889 --> 00:45:19,498 for a cause is ridiculous, 1017 00:45:19,585 --> 00:45:23,155 'cause you just waste your life. 1018 00:45:23,242 --> 00:45:25,809 You waste your freedom. 1019 00:45:25,896 --> 00:45:28,072 You waste whatever you have in life 1020 00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,639 that's good for something that doesn't 1021 00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:32,947 mean anything that nobody really cares about. 1022 00:45:34,862 --> 00:45:37,342 narrator: Whidbey Island resident Terry Hanneman 1023 00:45:37,429 --> 00:45:40,606 is not surprised no one came. 1024 00:45:40,693 --> 00:45:42,347 - So I'm not surprised they didn't show up. 1025 00:45:42,434 --> 00:45:43,610 - Yeah. 1026 00:45:43,697 --> 00:45:44,958 - Last year, there was only like, 1027 00:45:45,045 --> 00:45:46,786 five or six people 1028 00:45:46,873 --> 00:45:50,572 compared to like 25, 30 the year before that. 1029 00:45:50,659 --> 00:45:54,228 So I think maybe they're starting to, 1030 00:45:54,315 --> 00:45:57,318 I don't know, lose interest maybe? 1031 00:45:57,405 --> 00:45:58,668 - That is, that'd be a good thing I think. 1032 00:45:58,755 --> 00:46:00,713 - One could only hope. - Yeah, exactly. 1033 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,891 - Right, but that doesn't mean that they won't show up. 1034 00:46:03,978 --> 00:46:05,371 You know, because this is something that-- 1035 00:46:05,458 --> 00:46:07,981 - I hope they don't, you know, I hope--I hope that it's 1036 00:46:08,068 --> 00:46:10,679 a chapter left in the past. This is so... 1037 00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:12,681 narrator: As a Native American, 1038 00:46:12,769 --> 00:46:15,989 Terry can only shake her head at neo-Nazis 1039 00:46:16,077 --> 00:46:22,039 who say they want to "reclaim their land." 1040 00:46:22,126 --> 00:46:25,434 - And to start hating, you know, 1041 00:46:25,521 --> 00:46:27,001 because they were a different color 1042 00:46:27,088 --> 00:46:29,047 and because they weren't from this country, 1043 00:46:29,134 --> 00:46:34,181 excuse me, you know, I--I am from this country. 1044 00:46:34,268 --> 00:46:36,706 - Yeah, I know you-- - I am a Native American 1045 00:46:36,793 --> 00:46:38,969 and then someone like that 1046 00:46:39,056 --> 00:46:40,840 to say, "No, we're better than you"? 1047 00:46:40,927 --> 00:46:43,016 - You have better claim to this country than anybody. 1048 00:46:43,103 --> 00:46:45,889 - Right, yes, I know. That doesn't work for me. 1049 00:46:45,976 --> 00:46:49,153 [tense music] 1050 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:50,632 narrator: But far right extremists 1051 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,418 and the paramilitary organizations 1052 00:46:52,505 --> 00:46:55,768 they belong to have not disappeared. 1053 00:46:55,856 --> 00:46:58,684 There is ample evidence that they were in the vanguard 1054 00:46:58,771 --> 00:47:00,643 of those perpetrating the violence 1055 00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:05,648 when the capital was attacked on January 6, 2021. 1056 00:47:05,735 --> 00:47:09,521 - It takes some age to remember 1057 00:47:09,608 --> 00:47:14,831 and recognize how bad things are today. 1058 00:47:21,969 --> 00:47:24,972 - People, instead of getting involved 1059 00:47:25,059 --> 00:47:28,018 in political concepts, 1060 00:47:28,106 --> 00:47:33,938 they get involved in political personalities and hatred, 1061 00:47:34,025 --> 00:47:37,070 and an inability to even talk to somebody 1062 00:47:37,157 --> 00:47:39,552 that doesn't think like you think. 1063 00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:41,597 [overlapping shouts] 1064 00:47:43,512 --> 00:47:45,905 - Active shooter, multiple people down. 1065 00:47:45,992 --> 00:47:47,864 narrator: It was that kind of thinking 1066 00:47:47,952 --> 00:47:51,172 that led a young white supremacist named Dylann Roof 1067 00:47:51,259 --> 00:47:56,221 to shoot dead nine members of a Black Bible group 1068 00:47:56,307 --> 00:48:00,398 in a South Carolina church in 2015. 1069 00:48:00,485 --> 00:48:03,880 - To carry out these twin goals of fanning racial flames 1070 00:48:03,967 --> 00:48:05,621 and exacting revenge, 1071 00:48:05,708 --> 00:48:08,146 Roof further decided to seek out 1072 00:48:08,233 --> 00:48:11,889 and murder African-Americans because of their race. 1073 00:48:11,976 --> 00:48:14,108 narrator: But at Roof's trial, 1074 00:48:14,195 --> 00:48:16,806 a different kind of thinking prevailed. 1075 00:48:16,893 --> 00:48:22,900 One by one, the relatives of each of his victims rose 1076 00:48:22,987 --> 00:48:24,248 to forgive him. 1077 00:48:37,739 --> 00:48:42,266 narrator: That is what we call healing. 1078 00:48:47,271 --> 00:48:48,534 narrator: On the next episode 1079 00:48:48,621 --> 00:48:51,797 of "Indivisible, Healing Hate"... 1080 00:48:51,885 --> 00:48:53,626 extremists from across America 1081 00:48:53,713 --> 00:48:57,195 united a rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. 1082 00:48:57,282 --> 00:48:59,327 - There's fighting, there's pepper spraying. 1083 00:48:59,414 --> 00:49:01,807 People are hitting each other with torches. 1084 00:49:01,894 --> 00:49:04,157 [indistinct shouts] 1085 00:49:04,244 --> 00:49:05,898 It's a nasty scene. 1086 00:49:05,985 --> 00:49:09,119 narrator: The result is an act of domestic terrorism. 1087 00:49:09,206 --> 00:49:11,121 - I'm the mother of Heather Heyer, 1088 00:49:11,208 --> 00:49:13,472 who was killed in Charlottesville. 1089 00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:15,648 [people screaming] 1090 00:49:15,735 --> 00:49:17,954 - We need to go. - Paramedics, right now. 1091 00:49:18,041 --> 00:49:20,217 Holy shit, a car just drove into people. 1092 00:49:20,304 --> 00:49:21,914 - A 32-year-old woman was killed, 1093 00:49:22,001 --> 00:49:25,396 and 19 others were hurt. 1094 00:49:25,483 --> 00:49:29,356 ♪ ♪