1 00:00:01,525 --> 00:00:04,767 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:04,801 --> 00:00:09,491 This is a case of an obsession that turned deadly. 3 00:00:09,525 --> 00:00:12,077 Maternal instinct leads a killer 4 00:00:12,111 --> 00:00:16,008 to a crime beyond comprehension. 5 00:00:16,043 --> 00:00:21,422 This is a person who robs a mother of the most sacred gift: 6 00:00:21,456 --> 00:00:25,353 her unborn child. 7 00:00:25,387 --> 00:00:28,525 [eerie music] 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:34,836 ♪ 9 00:00:34,870 --> 00:00:38,146 [ambient music] 10 00:00:38,180 --> 00:00:41,732 Skidmore, Missouri is a rural community 11 00:00:41,767 --> 00:00:43,249 in northwest Missouri. 12 00:00:43,284 --> 00:00:45,870 ♪ 13 00:00:45,905 --> 00:00:49,560 Like many towns in the Midwest, 14 00:00:49,594 --> 00:00:53,801 its fortunes rose and fell with the fate of the railroad. 15 00:00:57,801 --> 00:01:01,284 Skidmore is a charming small town 16 00:01:01,318 --> 00:01:04,594 with hardworking folks. 17 00:01:04,629 --> 00:01:10,284 But they have some notorious crimes in their history. 18 00:01:13,146 --> 00:01:16,801 December 16, 2004. 19 00:01:16,836 --> 00:01:18,284 At 3:28 p.m., 20 00:01:18,318 --> 00:01:20,836 the Nodaway County Sheriff's Department dispatch 21 00:01:20,870 --> 00:01:23,525 received a 911 call from the residence 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,387 of Bobbie Jo and Zeb Stinnett. 23 00:01:27,422 --> 00:01:32,077 A woman named Becky Harper had called the 911 center. 24 00:01:32,111 --> 00:01:34,249 She was very distraught, very emotional. 25 00:01:46,111 --> 00:01:48,456 She said that her daughter, Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 26 00:01:48,491 --> 00:01:51,077 was laying on the floor, There's blood everywhere, 27 00:01:51,111 --> 00:01:53,456 and it looks like her stomach had exploded. 28 00:01:56,353 --> 00:01:59,284 She related that her daughter, Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 29 00:01:59,318 --> 00:02:03,043 was 23 years old and 8 months pregnant. 30 00:02:03,077 --> 00:02:05,594 [sirens wailing] 31 00:02:05,629 --> 00:02:09,077 We're on the scene in less than 11 minutes. 32 00:02:11,698 --> 00:02:16,077 The paramedic finds Bobbie Jo and her mother 33 00:02:16,111 --> 00:02:17,629 in the back room. 34 00:02:17,663 --> 00:02:21,732 Becky Harper is over her daughter. 35 00:02:21,767 --> 00:02:24,008 She is hysterical 36 00:02:24,043 --> 00:02:27,594 and confused as to what has happened. 37 00:02:27,629 --> 00:02:31,043 Bobbie Jo was laying on her back, 38 00:02:31,077 --> 00:02:35,422 and she's just laying in this massive amount of blood. 39 00:02:35,456 --> 00:02:38,387 She's lost so much blood that she's deceased. 40 00:02:41,180 --> 00:02:42,836 She's barefoot. 41 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,387 She has a jagged gash across her abdomen 42 00:02:47,422 --> 00:02:51,249 that has exposed some of her internal organs. 43 00:02:51,284 --> 00:02:53,456 It's a horrific scene. 44 00:02:55,939 --> 00:03:00,560 They find the umbilical cord, and it has been cut, 45 00:03:00,594 --> 00:03:02,456 and they determine that the baby is 46 00:03:02,491 --> 00:03:05,180 no longer inside of Bobbie Jo. 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,801 Someone has cut this baby out of this woman, 48 00:03:09,836 --> 00:03:11,387 and the baby is missing. 49 00:03:14,249 --> 00:03:17,111 You could see where there were marks, 50 00:03:17,146 --> 00:03:19,387 where it looked like a struggle had ensued 51 00:03:19,422 --> 00:03:21,387 in the middle of a pool of blood. 52 00:03:23,801 --> 00:03:27,456 The rest of the house did not seem to be disturbed at all, 53 00:03:27,491 --> 00:03:30,249 which would have indicated that attack 54 00:03:30,284 --> 00:03:34,111 only occurred in the back bedroom. 55 00:03:34,146 --> 00:03:36,698 There was no evidence of forced entry. 56 00:03:36,732 --> 00:03:40,525 It was very possible that the person that attacked Bobbie Jo 57 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,284 and took her baby was known to Bobbie Jo. 58 00:03:44,318 --> 00:03:46,422 Who would do such a thing, and why? 59 00:03:46,456 --> 00:03:49,284 When we look at the crime scene, the victim, 60 00:03:49,318 --> 00:03:53,111 and the manner in which this child was taken, 61 00:03:53,146 --> 00:03:55,905 somebody who probably knew this victim, 62 00:03:55,939 --> 00:03:59,974 knew she was pregnant, knew that she was far along enough 63 00:04:00,008 --> 00:04:01,698 that this child would survive. 64 00:04:01,732 --> 00:04:04,077 Bobbie Jo's death was collateral. 65 00:04:04,111 --> 00:04:06,077 The baby was the objective. 66 00:04:06,111 --> 00:04:08,801 "Let's kidnap this baby, keep the baby alive. 67 00:04:08,836 --> 00:04:11,491 Who cares what happens to Bobbie Jo?" 68 00:04:11,525 --> 00:04:14,698 In some crimes--certain robberies, violent crimes-- 69 00:04:14,732 --> 00:04:18,318 the motive isn't necessarily as important as it is here. 70 00:04:18,353 --> 00:04:21,318 In this case, the motive and the purpose 71 00:04:21,353 --> 00:04:23,525 for killing this woman and taking the baby is 72 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,387 of utmost importance and urgency. 73 00:04:26,422 --> 00:04:28,939 They need to track down this child, 74 00:04:28,974 --> 00:04:32,077 and there's no way to do that without knowing the motive 75 00:04:32,111 --> 00:04:33,525 of the perpetrator. 76 00:04:37,180 --> 00:04:39,111 We were able to get the Amber Alert issued 77 00:04:39,146 --> 00:04:43,525 to help us locate perhaps where the baby was. 78 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,698 We had activated additional people to come in. 79 00:04:48,732 --> 00:04:50,249 We had the FBI. 80 00:04:50,284 --> 00:04:52,836 We had the Highway Patrol. 81 00:04:52,870 --> 00:04:55,387 Time was off the essence. It's imperative that 82 00:04:55,422 --> 00:04:57,353 we, as a group, get together on this 83 00:04:57,387 --> 00:04:59,525 and find the killer, 84 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,767 and hopefully find our baby alive. 85 00:05:05,249 --> 00:05:07,491 At this point, 86 00:05:07,525 --> 00:05:12,387 deputies move to conduct a neighborhood canvass. 87 00:05:12,422 --> 00:05:14,836 One neighbor tell us 88 00:05:14,870 --> 00:05:17,525 that about 1:15, 89 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,422 she saw a dirty, red, small car 90 00:05:20,456 --> 00:05:22,318 parked in front of the Stinnetts' residence 91 00:05:22,353 --> 00:05:26,801 that she had never seen in the area before. 92 00:05:26,836 --> 00:05:28,663 Maybe the perpetrator was in that car. 93 00:05:28,698 --> 00:05:31,560 If nothing else, maybe a witness was in that car 94 00:05:31,594 --> 00:05:33,525 and saw something, so now we're looking 95 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,456 for a dirty, red, sub-compact car 96 00:05:37,491 --> 00:05:39,698 that might match that description. 97 00:05:39,732 --> 00:05:42,215 But we didn't have a license plate number, 98 00:05:42,249 --> 00:05:43,732 and we simply, at that point, 99 00:05:43,767 --> 00:05:45,663 did not have enough information. 100 00:05:48,284 --> 00:05:52,422 Becky Harper contacts Bobbie Jo's husband 101 00:05:52,456 --> 00:05:56,111 and tells him what has happened to Bobbie Jo 102 00:05:56,146 --> 00:05:59,456 and that the baby is missing. 103 00:05:59,491 --> 00:06:02,456 We always look at a spouse or someone close first 104 00:06:02,491 --> 00:06:05,422 until you can eliminate them. 105 00:06:05,456 --> 00:06:08,732 Zeb is interviewed formally. 106 00:06:08,767 --> 00:06:11,284 Zeb told the investigators he went to work 107 00:06:11,318 --> 00:06:16,180 at Kawasaki Manufacturing plant on the 16th at 7:00 a.m. 108 00:06:16,215 --> 00:06:18,422 And that was verified by his employer 109 00:06:18,456 --> 00:06:20,318 and co-- and, you know, coworkers. 110 00:06:20,353 --> 00:06:21,974 He had a perfect alibi. 111 00:06:22,008 --> 00:06:24,767 Could not have possibly been involved with the homicide. 112 00:06:28,525 --> 00:06:31,249 He was devastated by what had happened. 113 00:06:31,284 --> 00:06:34,870 He told the investigators that 114 00:06:34,905 --> 00:06:37,077 he and Bobbie Jo had been married 115 00:06:37,111 --> 00:06:39,456 for two and a half years. 116 00:06:39,491 --> 00:06:42,629 Zeb and Bobbie Jo were high school sweethearts. 117 00:06:42,663 --> 00:06:44,353 They had not been married all that long. 118 00:06:44,387 --> 00:06:46,560 They were both anxiously awaiting 119 00:06:46,594 --> 00:06:49,353 the birth of their first baby. 120 00:06:49,387 --> 00:06:50,905 They had had a sonogram 121 00:06:50,939 --> 00:06:54,422 and knew that they were going to have a baby girl. 122 00:06:56,043 --> 00:07:01,560 Him not knowing where the baby was added to his despair. 123 00:07:03,594 --> 00:07:06,525 Bobbie Jo was little miss independent. 124 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,870 She was smart as a whip. She did great in school. 125 00:07:10,905 --> 00:07:13,698 Bobbie Jo got excellent grades, 126 00:07:13,732 --> 00:07:16,801 and she participated in things like the yearbook 127 00:07:16,836 --> 00:07:19,043 and the school paper. 128 00:07:19,077 --> 00:07:22,077 She loved animals. 129 00:07:22,111 --> 00:07:24,043 Bobbie Jo raised rat terriers 130 00:07:24,077 --> 00:07:27,491 and loved the little critters. 131 00:07:27,525 --> 00:07:31,077 We learned that Bobbie Jo bred and raised 132 00:07:31,111 --> 00:07:33,146 rat terrier dogs, 133 00:07:33,180 --> 00:07:35,836 and when she would have a litter of puppies 134 00:07:35,870 --> 00:07:37,422 to sell from that. 135 00:07:37,456 --> 00:07:39,111 She would advertise 136 00:07:39,146 --> 00:07:41,629 and talk to different people on the internet. 137 00:07:45,111 --> 00:07:47,353 Detective Jill Voltmer was assigned 138 00:07:47,387 --> 00:07:52,008 to interview Bobbie Jo's mother, Becky Harper. 139 00:07:52,043 --> 00:07:54,836 About five hours after the 911 call, 140 00:07:54,870 --> 00:07:59,111 I went over to Becky Harper's house. 141 00:07:59,146 --> 00:08:02,422 She was a grieving mother. It was awful. 142 00:08:02,456 --> 00:08:04,525 Crying hysterically. 143 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,387 Took a very long time to get information out of her. 144 00:08:07,422 --> 00:08:09,456 The only way she could get through an interview 145 00:08:09,491 --> 00:08:13,146 was the thought that maybe we can save the baby. 146 00:08:13,180 --> 00:08:16,491 Becky told me she had spoken to Bobbie Jo at 2:30 p.m. 147 00:08:16,525 --> 00:08:19,387 Bobbie Jo was supposed to give Becky a ride home from work 148 00:08:19,422 --> 00:08:22,456 at 3:30, so at 2:30, she called her to say, 149 00:08:22,491 --> 00:08:24,111 "Hey, you are gonna come, right?" 150 00:08:24,146 --> 00:08:25,698 Bobbie Jo answered and said, 151 00:08:25,732 --> 00:08:28,560 "They are here looking at the dogs now. 152 00:08:28,594 --> 00:08:32,560 But I will be able to still pick you up at around 3:30." 153 00:08:32,594 --> 00:08:35,043 And that was the end of the conversation. 154 00:08:35,077 --> 00:08:39,215 3:30 came, and Bobbie Jo was not there to pick up Becky. 155 00:08:42,353 --> 00:08:45,180 Becky Harper's work is about two and a half, 156 00:08:45,215 --> 00:08:47,456 maybe three blocks from where Bobbie Jo lived, 157 00:08:47,491 --> 00:08:51,974 so she walked from work to the residence, came inside, 158 00:08:52,008 --> 00:08:55,180 and that's when she discovered her daughter. 159 00:08:55,215 --> 00:08:58,111 We know that Bobbie Jo was alive at 2:30 p.m., 160 00:08:58,146 --> 00:08:59,629 when Becky Harper talked to her, 161 00:08:59,663 --> 00:09:02,525 and then she was deceased shortly after 3:30, 162 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:04,215 so there's a one-hour window 163 00:09:04,249 --> 00:09:06,801 during which the murder occurred. 164 00:09:08,939 --> 00:09:10,939 And then, Becky told us she had been 165 00:09:10,974 --> 00:09:14,422 to Bobbie Jo's house the night before, and they had dinner. 166 00:09:14,456 --> 00:09:16,077 While Becky was cleaning up dinner, 167 00:09:16,111 --> 00:09:20,318 Bobbie Jo was on the computer, communicating with a person 168 00:09:20,353 --> 00:09:24,043 who stated she was Fairfax, Missouri, 169 00:09:24,077 --> 00:09:26,387 and that she was going to be coming to the house 170 00:09:26,422 --> 00:09:28,594 to look at her dogs the next morning. 171 00:09:33,491 --> 00:09:36,249 Becky doesn't have any idea who the person is from Fairfax, 172 00:09:36,284 --> 00:09:38,525 other than it's a woman. 173 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:41,525 We had to find the woman as quickly as possible. 174 00:09:44,594 --> 00:09:46,525 We don't know-- was the child injured 175 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:49,491 while it was being removed from Bobbie Jo Stinnett? 176 00:09:49,525 --> 00:09:51,801 So we don't know if it needs medical attention. 177 00:09:51,836 --> 00:09:56,180 We just know that we just need to find this baby fast. 178 00:09:56,215 --> 00:09:58,146 A subject was overheard, 179 00:09:58,180 --> 00:10:01,180 stating that he was 180 00:10:01,215 --> 00:10:03,215 stealing babies from mothers 181 00:10:03,249 --> 00:10:06,180 and then selling them on the black market. 182 00:10:07,939 --> 00:10:10,560 [tense music] 183 00:10:10,594 --> 00:10:11,939 ♪ 184 00:10:11,974 --> 00:10:14,318 That afternoon, on December 16th, 185 00:10:14,353 --> 00:10:17,594 Bobbie Jo Stinnett, who was eight months pregnant, 186 00:10:17,629 --> 00:10:19,525 was attacked, killed, 187 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:21,525 and her baby was taken from her. 188 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:24,318 Someone had cut Bobbie Jo Stinnett's baby out, 189 00:10:24,353 --> 00:10:25,905 and the baby is missing. 190 00:10:25,939 --> 00:10:27,663 We have to find this baby. 191 00:10:29,905 --> 00:10:31,594 We learned from Bobbie Jo's mother 192 00:10:31,629 --> 00:10:34,353 that Bobbie Jo was alive at 2:30 p.m., 193 00:10:34,387 --> 00:10:36,974 when she had talked to her, and that Bobbie Jo said, 194 00:10:37,008 --> 00:10:41,043 "Well, someone's here now looking at the dogs." 195 00:10:41,077 --> 00:10:43,974 She knows that Bobbie Jo was on the computer 196 00:10:44,008 --> 00:10:46,767 communicating with the person, 197 00:10:46,801 --> 00:10:48,836 who stated she was from Fairfax, Missouri 198 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:50,836 and that she was going to be coming to the house 199 00:10:50,870 --> 00:10:53,008 the next morning to look at a dog. 200 00:10:53,043 --> 00:10:55,767 It was evident to us immediately 201 00:10:55,801 --> 00:10:58,077 that we needed to look at that computer. 202 00:11:02,008 --> 00:11:04,594 We wanted to find out, who was she talking with? 203 00:11:04,629 --> 00:11:06,491 Who had she planned to meet? 204 00:11:06,525 --> 00:11:08,594 So we get a forensic examiner 205 00:11:08,629 --> 00:11:11,043 to examine that computer for us. 206 00:11:13,146 --> 00:11:16,456 I'm taken into the crime scene 207 00:11:16,491 --> 00:11:19,560 and shown where the computer is at, 208 00:11:19,594 --> 00:11:23,215 so it's at that point that I start my analysis. 209 00:11:23,249 --> 00:11:26,905 Based on the information from Becky Harper, 210 00:11:26,939 --> 00:11:30,801 Curtis Howard does a word search 211 00:11:30,836 --> 00:11:35,146 of the database of her computer for the word "Fairfax." 212 00:11:36,939 --> 00:11:40,905 And there was a lot of hits. 213 00:11:40,939 --> 00:11:44,318 So, after managing to comb through a lot of that, 214 00:11:44,353 --> 00:11:47,249 that's when I found what I believed to be 215 00:11:47,284 --> 00:11:49,077 a conversation in a chat room 216 00:11:49,111 --> 00:11:54,043 between Bobbie Jo and the woman from Fairfax, Missouri. 217 00:11:56,870 --> 00:12:02,043 A lady that had named herself in there as Darlene Fischer, 218 00:12:02,077 --> 00:12:08,698 and her email address was fischer4kids@hotmail.com. 219 00:12:11,077 --> 00:12:12,284 It was a chat room 220 00:12:12,318 --> 00:12:16,491 for people that were interested in rat terriers. 221 00:12:16,525 --> 00:12:19,629 On the chat, this woman makes an appointment 222 00:12:19,663 --> 00:12:23,456 to see Bobbie Jo on the day of the murder at around noon, 223 00:12:23,491 --> 00:12:25,801 to look at puppies to buy. 224 00:12:27,732 --> 00:12:30,180 She was possibly the person 225 00:12:30,215 --> 00:12:35,422 that was at the residence of Bobbie Jo that day. 226 00:12:38,111 --> 00:12:42,594 We want to talk to Darlene Fischer and see what she saw. 227 00:12:42,629 --> 00:12:44,008 She's a person of interest. 228 00:12:47,422 --> 00:12:49,663 Is she witness, or is she a suspect? 229 00:12:53,146 --> 00:12:56,870 We need to locate Darlene Fischer 230 00:12:56,905 --> 00:13:00,180 in Fairfax, Missouri as quickly as possible. 231 00:13:00,215 --> 00:13:04,077 Fairfax, Missouri is only about 20 miles from Skidmore, 232 00:13:04,111 --> 00:13:06,111 in Atchison County. 233 00:13:06,146 --> 00:13:09,939 It is now very late at night, sometime around midnight, 234 00:13:09,974 --> 00:13:12,629 and we drive over to Atchison County 235 00:13:12,663 --> 00:13:15,353 to the sheriff's office. 236 00:13:15,387 --> 00:13:17,422 Fairfax, Missouri's a small community, 237 00:13:17,456 --> 00:13:19,939 and no one had ever heard of Darlene Fischer. 238 00:13:19,974 --> 00:13:22,215 So we're doing records checks, 239 00:13:22,249 --> 00:13:25,836 and we come up empty. 240 00:13:25,870 --> 00:13:29,077 It was found that nobody by the name of Darlene Fischer 241 00:13:29,111 --> 00:13:32,594 lived in or around Fairfax or in Atchison County. 242 00:13:35,663 --> 00:13:39,318 So that is a real red flag for us at that point. 243 00:13:39,353 --> 00:13:43,560 We suspected that that was an alias. 244 00:13:43,594 --> 00:13:45,353 Who uses an alias? 245 00:13:45,387 --> 00:13:46,801 Typically a guilty person, 246 00:13:46,836 --> 00:13:49,077 someone who wants to hide their true identity. 247 00:13:49,111 --> 00:13:51,077 At this point, we still do not know 248 00:13:51,111 --> 00:13:52,560 who Darlene Fischer is. 249 00:13:52,594 --> 00:13:55,249 Finding her might lead us to the baby 250 00:13:55,284 --> 00:13:58,353 as well as Bobbie Jo's killer. 251 00:13:58,387 --> 00:14:00,008 We had the IP address 252 00:14:00,043 --> 00:14:03,836 from the computer that Darlene Fischer was using. 253 00:14:03,870 --> 00:14:06,043 Unfortunately, we were not able 254 00:14:06,077 --> 00:14:10,215 to get the user information at that time. 255 00:14:10,249 --> 00:14:14,870 In 2004, there was a little bit of a lag time. 256 00:14:18,215 --> 00:14:22,905 The next morning, the autopsy was performed. 257 00:14:22,939 --> 00:14:26,387 We could clearly see that her abdomen was 258 00:14:26,422 --> 00:14:32,008 a large, jagged wound that went from one side to the other. 259 00:14:33,836 --> 00:14:38,387 There had been a very crude C-section performed. 260 00:14:38,422 --> 00:14:41,905 We could see ligature marks around her neck. 261 00:14:41,939 --> 00:14:45,353 And you could actually see the imprint 262 00:14:45,387 --> 00:14:49,629 of the weave of this rope. 263 00:14:49,663 --> 00:14:52,629 Not very thick. Less than 1/4-inch wide. 264 00:14:52,663 --> 00:14:56,008 Like a cotton clothesline rope. 265 00:14:56,043 --> 00:14:58,663 But the cause of death was not the strangulation. 266 00:14:58,698 --> 00:14:59,974 It was exsanguination. 267 00:15:00,008 --> 00:15:03,732 She bled out from the C-section. 268 00:15:03,767 --> 00:15:08,180 There was blood actually between Bobbie Jo's toes, 269 00:15:08,215 --> 00:15:11,594 and so it would appear that, during the struggle, 270 00:15:11,629 --> 00:15:13,663 she had attempted to stand up. 271 00:15:13,698 --> 00:15:15,215 What was really troubling was, 272 00:15:15,249 --> 00:15:19,043 based on what the medical examiner saw in the feet, 273 00:15:19,077 --> 00:15:22,525 that Bobbie Jo was alive 274 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,456 when the cutting had started. 275 00:15:27,456 --> 00:15:29,767 The theory that we came to pretty quickly 276 00:15:29,801 --> 00:15:32,836 was that she had been strangled. 277 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:36,146 Knocked unconscious. The C-section was started, 278 00:15:36,180 --> 00:15:39,974 and that's what brought her back to consciousness. 279 00:15:40,008 --> 00:15:43,629 She was trying to fight off this attacker 280 00:15:43,663 --> 00:15:46,422 and to save herself and her baby. 281 00:15:46,456 --> 00:15:48,525 She was knocked unconscious again, 282 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,491 and then the C-section is completed 283 00:15:50,525 --> 00:15:52,387 and the baby is removed. 284 00:15:52,422 --> 00:15:54,732 We don't know if-- was the child injured 285 00:15:54,767 --> 00:15:59,284 while it was being removed from Bobbie Jo Stinnett? 286 00:15:59,318 --> 00:16:01,836 So we don't know if it needs medical attention. 287 00:16:01,870 --> 00:16:04,939 We just know that we just need to find this baby. 288 00:16:04,974 --> 00:16:07,456 There's multiple reasons why somebody would want 289 00:16:07,491 --> 00:16:09,077 to steal an infant child, 290 00:16:09,111 --> 00:16:12,801 one of them being to sell that child on the black market. 291 00:16:12,836 --> 00:16:15,594 This can be incredibly lucrative, 292 00:16:15,629 --> 00:16:18,215 though dark proposition for somebody. 293 00:16:18,249 --> 00:16:22,974 To go to this extreme, to rip a child from an abdomen, 294 00:16:23,008 --> 00:16:26,077 there's another psychological level to this. 295 00:16:26,111 --> 00:16:29,422 It's probably someone desperate to be a mother, 296 00:16:29,456 --> 00:16:33,111 someone who fantasized about motherhood. 297 00:16:33,146 --> 00:16:35,422 You can't rule out any theory. 298 00:16:35,456 --> 00:16:38,732 I mean, what if this is a Satanic cult in operation 299 00:16:38,767 --> 00:16:41,077 that cuts the baby out of the womb 300 00:16:41,111 --> 00:16:43,249 to offer up some kind of a sacrifice? 301 00:16:43,284 --> 00:16:45,870 It's not beyond the realm of possibilities. 302 00:16:49,801 --> 00:16:53,146 This case garnered a lot of attention in the media. 303 00:16:53,180 --> 00:16:55,629 Main Street of Skidmore was just lined up 304 00:16:55,663 --> 00:16:59,008 with, you know, camera trucks and media outlets 305 00:16:59,043 --> 00:17:02,491 across the country, so it was a huge story. 306 00:17:02,525 --> 00:17:04,111 It's been just wild around here. 307 00:17:04,146 --> 00:17:07,560 People--news coverage and visitors and everything. 308 00:17:07,594 --> 00:17:11,560 I feel so bad for him and for the family and everything else. 309 00:17:11,594 --> 00:17:13,525 They were very excited about their family 310 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,663 they were about to have. 311 00:17:15,698 --> 00:17:17,870 Lot of information started coming in 312 00:17:17,905 --> 00:17:20,525 to the Nodaway County Sheriff's Department. 313 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,836 A domestic violence advocate contacted us. 314 00:17:25,870 --> 00:17:30,318 She had some information that a man in a bar 315 00:17:30,353 --> 00:17:32,249 was overheard stating 316 00:17:32,284 --> 00:17:36,043 that he was taking babies from their mothers 317 00:17:36,077 --> 00:17:38,284 and then selling them on the black market 318 00:17:38,318 --> 00:17:41,629 for as much as $50,000. 319 00:17:41,663 --> 00:17:44,111 When this woman heard about the crime 320 00:17:44,146 --> 00:17:47,905 against Bobbie Jo Stinnett, she became upset 321 00:17:47,939 --> 00:17:53,180 and started to think, maybe this guy had done it. 322 00:17:55,284 --> 00:17:57,939 [dramatic music] 323 00:17:57,974 --> 00:17:59,284 ♪ 324 00:17:59,318 --> 00:18:01,732 Bobbie Jo Stinnett had been strangled, 325 00:18:01,767 --> 00:18:05,594 and her lower abdomen had been cut open to remove her baby. 326 00:18:07,491 --> 00:18:09,353 Due to the crude and violent manner 327 00:18:09,387 --> 00:18:13,318 in which the baby had been delivered, 328 00:18:13,353 --> 00:18:16,215 I was very concerned whether or not 329 00:18:16,249 --> 00:18:19,043 we would find the baby alive. 330 00:18:21,456 --> 00:18:22,974 Tips come in, 331 00:18:23,008 --> 00:18:26,836 and one of the more credible tips 332 00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:28,456 came from a social worker 333 00:18:28,491 --> 00:18:33,422 who had worked with victims of domestic violence. 334 00:18:33,456 --> 00:18:37,422 Man in a bar was overheard stating 335 00:18:37,456 --> 00:18:41,146 that he was taking babies from their mothers 336 00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:43,456 and then selling them. 337 00:18:45,525 --> 00:18:47,939 This was a lead that needed to be followed up on. 338 00:18:47,974 --> 00:18:51,560 Immediately, we discovered that the suspect 339 00:18:51,594 --> 00:18:54,801 was on probation and had a prior criminal record 340 00:18:54,836 --> 00:18:58,077 for drug activity. 341 00:18:58,111 --> 00:19:02,077 The suspect was located by investigators. 342 00:19:02,111 --> 00:19:03,836 He tells us that 343 00:19:03,870 --> 00:19:08,008 during the day when Bobbie Jo was killed, 344 00:19:08,043 --> 00:19:10,146 he was actually at the probation office 345 00:19:10,180 --> 00:19:12,353 and was being fitted for an ankle bracelet 346 00:19:12,387 --> 00:19:16,077 because he had been placed on house arrest. 347 00:19:16,111 --> 00:19:20,249 In fact, the ankle bracelet activated at around 3:00. 348 00:19:20,284 --> 00:19:22,077 So police knew 349 00:19:22,111 --> 00:19:25,422 exactly where the suspect was. 350 00:19:25,456 --> 00:19:29,456 There's no way he could have committed this murder. 351 00:19:29,491 --> 00:19:32,249 One crime cleared him of another. 352 00:19:34,629 --> 00:19:37,387 A few hours later, based on the Amber Alert, 353 00:19:37,422 --> 00:19:39,939 a woman in Texas called in with a tip 354 00:19:39,974 --> 00:19:44,008 of a woman she knew by the name of Lisa Montgomery. 355 00:19:44,043 --> 00:19:47,629 She had met Lisa Montgomery at a dog show. 356 00:19:47,663 --> 00:19:49,180 Lisa raised rat terriers. 357 00:19:49,215 --> 00:19:51,905 She went to some dog shows and showed them. 358 00:19:51,939 --> 00:19:55,974 The same as Bobbie Jo. 359 00:19:56,008 --> 00:19:59,594 She had told us that Lisa Montgomery 360 00:19:59,629 --> 00:20:03,146 had been telling people that she was expecting, 361 00:20:03,180 --> 00:20:04,767 but no one really believed her 362 00:20:04,801 --> 00:20:07,043 because she didn't look pregnant. 363 00:20:07,077 --> 00:20:11,146 And she learned that Lisa has given birth 364 00:20:11,180 --> 00:20:13,456 on the same day that Bobbie Jo was murdered 365 00:20:13,491 --> 00:20:16,836 and her baby's taken. 366 00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:18,525 She is very suspicious 367 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,801 that this might be Bobbie Jo Stinnett's baby. 368 00:20:24,767 --> 00:20:26,318 What I did at that point was, 369 00:20:26,353 --> 00:20:30,215 I contacted our intelligence unit at the Highway Patrol 370 00:20:30,249 --> 00:20:33,180 and asked for a search for Lisa Montgomery. 371 00:20:33,215 --> 00:20:36,974 And they found her in Melvern, Kansas. 372 00:20:40,215 --> 00:20:42,387 Once that lead hit, 373 00:20:42,422 --> 00:20:44,456 we took off for Melvern, Kansas, 374 00:20:44,491 --> 00:20:48,353 171 miles south of us. 375 00:20:48,387 --> 00:20:51,525 Now, at the same time, we were still working 376 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,077 to resolve who was using the alias Darlene Fischer, 377 00:20:55,111 --> 00:20:57,870 the woman was supposed to have met with Bobbie Jo 378 00:20:57,905 --> 00:21:01,043 on December 16th. 379 00:21:01,077 --> 00:21:04,215 We had the IP address from the computer 380 00:21:04,249 --> 00:21:06,698 that Darlene Fischer was chatting 381 00:21:06,732 --> 00:21:10,353 with Bobbie Jo Stinnett at. 382 00:21:10,387 --> 00:21:15,318 We were able to get the user information that morning. 383 00:21:15,353 --> 00:21:18,146 And that IP address that Darlene Fischer was using 384 00:21:18,180 --> 00:21:20,974 comes back to a computer registered 385 00:21:21,008 --> 00:21:23,836 to a Kevin Montgomery in Melvern, Kansas. 386 00:21:27,525 --> 00:21:30,318 And guess what? Kevin's married to Lisa Montgomery. 387 00:21:34,249 --> 00:21:35,560 This is amazing. 388 00:21:35,594 --> 00:21:37,732 Two completely independent sources of information 389 00:21:37,767 --> 00:21:39,456 point to the exact same people. 390 00:21:39,491 --> 00:21:42,698 We thought Lisa Montgomery, Kevin Montgomery, 391 00:21:42,732 --> 00:21:44,284 that they were involved. 392 00:21:47,284 --> 00:21:48,905 About the time we were getting close 393 00:21:48,939 --> 00:21:53,353 to Melvern, Kansas, I get the call that, 394 00:21:53,387 --> 00:21:57,525 "Hey, you know that email "darlenefischer4kids?" 395 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,146 I said, "Yeah." 396 00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:02,249 They told me, "It came from the house you're going to." 397 00:22:03,939 --> 00:22:05,353 I thought, "We're gonna find the killer 398 00:22:05,387 --> 00:22:07,318 and we're gonna find the baby at this house." 399 00:22:10,077 --> 00:22:13,974 Meanwhile, I called our agents in our Topeka office, 400 00:22:14,008 --> 00:22:18,353 gave them the address to Lisa and Kevin Montgomery. 401 00:22:18,387 --> 00:22:22,008 They got on to the scene, and they set up surveillance. 402 00:22:28,284 --> 00:22:30,870 It's a real agricultural area, 403 00:22:30,905 --> 00:22:33,663 and it's an old farmhouse that sits by itself. 404 00:22:33,698 --> 00:22:35,905 And about a quarter of a mile down the road, 405 00:22:35,939 --> 00:22:37,353 there's a hedgerow 406 00:22:37,387 --> 00:22:40,594 that runs along the opposing cross street. 407 00:22:40,629 --> 00:22:45,008 And the FBI surveillance team has taken up a position there. 408 00:22:50,284 --> 00:22:53,560 They saw a dirty, red car there, 409 00:22:53,594 --> 00:22:55,353 which matches, obviously, the description 410 00:22:55,387 --> 00:22:57,284 of the dirty, red, small car that was seen up 411 00:22:57,318 --> 00:23:00,318 in Skidmore, Missouri the day before, 412 00:23:00,353 --> 00:23:03,387 outside Bobbie Jo's house. 413 00:23:03,422 --> 00:23:06,180 And they saw Lisa and Kevin Montgomery 414 00:23:06,215 --> 00:23:08,732 walk into the house after they arrived, 415 00:23:08,767 --> 00:23:10,456 and she was carrying a baby. 416 00:23:13,077 --> 00:23:15,353 My thought is that that's our baby, 417 00:23:15,387 --> 00:23:18,767 and I need to separate the baby from Lisa Montgomery 418 00:23:18,801 --> 00:23:20,939 before we end up with a hostage situation 419 00:23:20,974 --> 00:23:24,353 or she tries to do harm to that baby. 420 00:23:26,111 --> 00:23:27,387 We don't know if we're getting ready 421 00:23:27,422 --> 00:23:29,387 to walk inside the devil's house. 422 00:23:32,663 --> 00:23:34,801 [tense music] 423 00:23:34,836 --> 00:23:37,318 FBI agents conducting surveillance 424 00:23:37,353 --> 00:23:38,870 see Lisa and Kevin Montgomery. 425 00:23:38,905 --> 00:23:41,008 They arrive at the house with a baby. 426 00:23:41,043 --> 00:23:42,767 ♪ 427 00:23:42,801 --> 00:23:45,491 Shortly after, detectives, they arrive at the address 428 00:23:45,525 --> 00:23:48,456 in Melvern, Kansas at about 12:45 p.m., 429 00:23:48,491 --> 00:23:50,284 which is about 22 hours 430 00:23:50,318 --> 00:23:52,836 after we believe the homicide occurred. 431 00:23:55,491 --> 00:23:58,284 We drove up into the driveway. 432 00:24:02,663 --> 00:24:04,525 As we get out of the car, 433 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,215 Kevin Montgomery steps out of the house, 434 00:24:08,249 --> 00:24:11,732 shuts the door behind him, and he stands on the porch. 435 00:24:14,594 --> 00:24:18,422 I said, "We're investigators. 436 00:24:18,456 --> 00:24:20,905 "We're here following up on a case out 437 00:24:20,939 --> 00:24:24,594 of Skidmore, Missouri, involving Bobbie Jo Stinnett." 438 00:24:26,215 --> 00:24:29,663 The detectives explained that there's an Amber Alert 439 00:24:29,698 --> 00:24:32,180 and they are checking out all recent births. 440 00:24:32,215 --> 00:24:34,698 So he says, "Sure. Come on in. We had a baby yesterday." 441 00:24:36,974 --> 00:24:38,525 And that seemed to put him at ease. 442 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,974 He opened the door for us, 443 00:24:40,008 --> 00:24:42,180 and it was just kind of an eerie feeling. 444 00:24:44,008 --> 00:24:46,836 We don't know if Kevin's involved. 445 00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:49,387 Is Kevin going to launch an attack on us? 446 00:24:49,422 --> 00:24:52,249 Are there people inside that assisted in this? 447 00:24:53,939 --> 00:24:57,629 And as I step across the threshold 448 00:24:57,663 --> 00:25:01,801 into this house, the room is darker. 449 00:25:01,836 --> 00:25:03,284 It's very cluttered. 450 00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:11,767 And there is Lisa Montgomery sitting on the couch, 451 00:25:11,801 --> 00:25:13,146 holding this baby. 452 00:25:19,594 --> 00:25:20,732 I'm looking at the baby, 453 00:25:20,767 --> 00:25:23,974 trying to size the situation up. 454 00:25:24,008 --> 00:25:27,043 I was an old medic and I saw a lot of births. 455 00:25:27,077 --> 00:25:29,629 This baby did not come through the birth canal. 456 00:25:29,663 --> 00:25:32,215 Its head is not misshaped. It's not cone-shaped. 457 00:25:32,249 --> 00:25:34,698 This looks like a Cesarean baby. 458 00:25:37,939 --> 00:25:39,767 My real concern is that 459 00:25:39,801 --> 00:25:43,422 the baby isn't crying and making any noise. 460 00:25:43,456 --> 00:25:46,905 But I can see it breathing. 461 00:25:46,939 --> 00:25:48,525 I asked her about the baby, 462 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,318 and I say, "I see you have a new baby," 463 00:25:50,353 --> 00:25:52,491 and she said, "Yes. I gave birth yesterday." 464 00:25:52,525 --> 00:25:54,836 I said, "Oh, where did you give birth?" 465 00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:57,111 She said, "Well, I was up shopping in Topeka, 466 00:25:57,146 --> 00:25:59,043 "and I went into labor and I had the baby 467 00:25:59,077 --> 00:26:02,939 at the women's birthing center in Topeka, Kansas." 468 00:26:02,974 --> 00:26:05,387 I said, "Would you mind showing us 469 00:26:05,422 --> 00:26:07,732 some discharge papers from that facility?" 470 00:26:07,767 --> 00:26:09,215 And she says, "Well, I don't remember 471 00:26:09,249 --> 00:26:12,353 what I've done with them." 472 00:26:12,387 --> 00:26:13,801 One of the agents steps off to the side, 473 00:26:13,836 --> 00:26:16,180 and he calls the birthing center in Topeka, Kansas. 474 00:26:16,215 --> 00:26:20,387 And lo and behold, there were no births that previous day. 475 00:26:22,974 --> 00:26:25,008 It was at that point, it was apparent to us 476 00:26:25,043 --> 00:26:27,249 it was Bobbie Jo's baby. 477 00:26:30,456 --> 00:26:33,146 We wanted to get the baby out of Lisa's hands 478 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:35,939 as soon as possible. 479 00:26:35,974 --> 00:26:37,905 I don't want to scare her. 480 00:26:37,939 --> 00:26:42,077 I don't want to force her to take the baby as hostage. 481 00:26:42,111 --> 00:26:44,180 So I'm trying to be very calm. 482 00:26:44,215 --> 00:26:47,318 So I said, "Lisa, would you let one of these agents 483 00:26:47,353 --> 00:26:49,594 hold your baby while we go talk?" 484 00:26:55,663 --> 00:26:57,801 Which surprisingly, she said sure. 485 00:27:00,043 --> 00:27:02,870 So one of the agents took the baby. 486 00:27:04,905 --> 00:27:06,698 And they separate Lisa from Kevin. 487 00:27:06,732 --> 00:27:08,525 They wanted to get their own independent story, 488 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,077 not their combined story. 489 00:27:11,111 --> 00:27:14,732 We absolutely thought they both might have been involved. 490 00:27:16,905 --> 00:27:21,111 Lisa is taken to the sheriff's office 491 00:27:21,146 --> 00:27:23,146 to do an interview with her. 492 00:27:24,801 --> 00:27:27,111 We sat down with Lisa Montgomery, 493 00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:28,560 and Don Fritz and I began 494 00:27:28,594 --> 00:27:30,974 the interrogation process with her. 495 00:27:33,594 --> 00:27:34,974 I didn't accuse her or anything. 496 00:27:35,008 --> 00:27:37,836 I just said, "Maybe you can help us." 497 00:27:37,870 --> 00:27:41,249 And Lisa said, "Now that my husband Kevin isn't here, 498 00:27:41,284 --> 00:27:44,767 I can tell you what really happened." 499 00:27:44,801 --> 00:27:46,663 She says, "I didn't want Kevin to know this, 500 00:27:46,698 --> 00:27:51,249 but I had the baby at home, 'cause we're not very wealthy." 501 00:27:51,284 --> 00:27:53,560 And Lisa said, "But don't you worry. 502 00:27:53,594 --> 00:27:57,456 I had three of my girlfriends here to help." 503 00:27:57,491 --> 00:27:59,732 I said, "Okay. Would you mind if I had their names 504 00:27:59,767 --> 00:28:02,353 and phone numbers so I can follow up with that?" 505 00:28:03,974 --> 00:28:05,525 But then, the story changes again. 506 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,939 "Well, they weren't really here. 507 00:28:07,974 --> 00:28:11,284 They were sort of on-call if I needed them." 508 00:28:11,318 --> 00:28:14,525 So she's told me several lies. 509 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,836 As these investigators start to peel away the layers, 510 00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:22,146 they're boxing her into a corner. 511 00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:24,318 She's losing ground. 512 00:28:24,353 --> 00:28:27,008 She knows that they're on to her. 513 00:28:27,043 --> 00:28:28,870 She makes up stories. 514 00:28:28,905 --> 00:28:31,318 When that doesn't work, she makes up another story. 515 00:28:31,353 --> 00:28:34,594 She's trying to come up with whatever possible, 516 00:28:34,629 --> 00:28:38,525 feasible explanation she could have for having this child. 517 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,525 They were asking her follow-up questions 518 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,974 to statements she was making. 519 00:28:42,008 --> 00:28:44,422 Oh, she gave birth at this particular clinic. 520 00:28:44,456 --> 00:28:46,422 "Okay, well where are the discharge papers?" 521 00:28:46,456 --> 00:28:48,043 "Oh, they're in the car." 522 00:28:48,077 --> 00:28:51,284 "Oh, I guess, actually I didn't give birth in the clinic. 523 00:28:51,318 --> 00:28:53,043 I gave birth at home, with two friends." 524 00:28:53,077 --> 00:28:55,767 "Oh, who are your friends? We'll call your friends." 525 00:28:55,801 --> 00:28:57,215 "Oh, actually, they weren't here. 526 00:28:57,249 --> 00:28:58,732 They were on standby." 527 00:28:58,767 --> 00:29:02,836 So these follow-up questions that she couldn't answer 528 00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:04,836 showed how she was lying. 529 00:29:07,387 --> 00:29:10,249 Lisa held to her guns for a while 530 00:29:10,284 --> 00:29:14,180 that she was not involved in Bobbie Jo's murder. 531 00:29:16,663 --> 00:29:18,491 You just have to be patient. 532 00:29:18,525 --> 00:29:22,629 If you lose your patience, then you've lost the game. 533 00:29:22,663 --> 00:29:25,043 All of her lies were collapsing. 534 00:29:25,077 --> 00:29:29,560 And eventually, Lisa breaks down, starts sobbing, 535 00:29:29,594 --> 00:29:34,215 and admits that, "The baby you have is Bobbie Jo's." 536 00:29:36,353 --> 00:29:39,215 We didn't know if Lisa was the murderer, 537 00:29:39,249 --> 00:29:41,077 if Kevin was, both of them. 538 00:29:41,111 --> 00:29:44,560 We didn't know who had killed Bobbie Jo and took the baby. 539 00:29:47,663 --> 00:29:49,456 She knew she wasn't pregnant. 540 00:29:49,491 --> 00:29:51,077 But she had boxed herself in. 541 00:29:51,111 --> 00:29:54,456 They found that Lisa was researching 542 00:29:54,491 --> 00:29:57,456 how to do Cesarean section. 543 00:29:57,491 --> 00:30:01,318 She was stalking Bobbie Jo online. 544 00:30:05,043 --> 00:30:07,698 [eerie music] 545 00:30:07,732 --> 00:30:08,974 Lisa Montgomery was interviewed 546 00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:12,077 on December 17th, 2004. 547 00:30:12,111 --> 00:30:15,456 She admitted that the baby we had taken from her and Kevin 548 00:30:15,491 --> 00:30:18,491 was Bobbie Jo's baby. 549 00:30:18,525 --> 00:30:20,663 We reach a stalemate eventually, 550 00:30:20,698 --> 00:30:23,663 where she's really not disclosing 551 00:30:23,698 --> 00:30:27,215 any more information for us. 552 00:30:27,249 --> 00:30:29,836 So we agree to take a break. 553 00:30:32,043 --> 00:30:36,180 Meanwhile, we hope to gather evidence to solve this murder. 554 00:30:37,387 --> 00:30:40,215 Kevin Montgomery is interviewed at the house. 555 00:30:40,249 --> 00:30:42,698 We thought, perhaps Kevin Montgomery was involved because 556 00:30:42,732 --> 00:30:43,801 he would have had to have known 557 00:30:43,836 --> 00:30:45,974 the baby wasn't their baby. 558 00:30:46,008 --> 00:30:49,111 The story that Kevin told was that, 559 00:30:49,146 --> 00:30:52,732 at the time of the murder, on December 16th, 2004, 560 00:30:52,767 --> 00:30:54,249 he had been at work. 561 00:30:54,284 --> 00:30:57,077 He got a call from his wife that evening. 562 00:30:57,111 --> 00:30:59,111 She had told Kevin, "Well, I had the baby, 563 00:30:59,146 --> 00:31:01,456 "and I've been discharged in Topeka, Kansas. 564 00:31:01,491 --> 00:31:03,767 Can you come get me?" 565 00:31:03,801 --> 00:31:07,594 So Kevin drives up to Topeka, Kansas. 566 00:31:07,629 --> 00:31:09,491 Meets Lisa Montgomery 567 00:31:09,525 --> 00:31:12,560 in her small, red, dirty car in the parking lot. 568 00:31:14,387 --> 00:31:16,353 She says, "This is our baby." 569 00:31:16,387 --> 00:31:19,318 And he says, "Great." 570 00:31:19,353 --> 00:31:22,767 Kevin is very convinced that this is their baby. 571 00:31:24,353 --> 00:31:27,215 We found out where he was working that day, 572 00:31:27,249 --> 00:31:29,801 on December 16, and verified with his employer 573 00:31:29,836 --> 00:31:33,525 that he was there at work, all day. 574 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,732 He had an alibi. 575 00:31:36,767 --> 00:31:40,043 We believed Lisa Montgomery did this by herself, 576 00:31:40,077 --> 00:31:45,318 that Kevin Montgomery was unaware of his wife's crime. 577 00:31:46,974 --> 00:31:48,939 We found that somewhere incredulous at first, 578 00:31:48,974 --> 00:31:51,215 hard to believe that someone could be quite so naive 579 00:31:51,249 --> 00:31:55,387 as not to realize his wife wasn't pregnant. 580 00:31:55,422 --> 00:31:57,663 Kevin is a very simple man. 581 00:31:57,698 --> 00:32:02,525 I think he had trouble grasping that his wife had tricked him. 582 00:32:03,836 --> 00:32:06,008 She lied and said she was pregnant, 583 00:32:06,043 --> 00:32:10,905 and she used the date of our expected mother as her own. 584 00:32:10,939 --> 00:32:15,284 That, in itself, is telling you this is premeditated. 585 00:32:15,318 --> 00:32:17,698 She sort of changed the due date on him, 586 00:32:17,732 --> 00:32:20,215 and he didn't sort of think that was suspicious. 587 00:32:20,249 --> 00:32:23,043 He trusted his wife and believed what she told him. 588 00:32:23,077 --> 00:32:25,698 He had no reason to not believe her. 589 00:32:25,732 --> 00:32:27,698 And so, it seems like 590 00:32:27,732 --> 00:32:31,008 he was someone who just got sort of fooled, 591 00:32:31,043 --> 00:32:33,043 like everybody else, by his wife. 592 00:32:33,077 --> 00:32:35,836 She had to know that there was a huge risk 593 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:37,905 that Bobbie Jo would die, 594 00:32:37,939 --> 00:32:42,284 because she intended to cut the baby out of her womb 595 00:32:42,318 --> 00:32:45,870 and leave this woman bleeding on her floor. 596 00:32:48,905 --> 00:32:51,249 We contacted Zeb Stinnett and let him know 597 00:32:51,284 --> 00:32:53,077 that the baby has been recovered 598 00:32:53,111 --> 00:32:55,974 and the baby is at a hospital being checked out. 599 00:32:56,008 --> 00:32:58,111 The baby is in remarkably good shape. 600 00:33:02,249 --> 00:33:05,594 It took less than 24 hours to find the baby, 601 00:33:05,629 --> 00:33:07,387 thank God, alive. 602 00:33:07,422 --> 00:33:09,594 It was a pretty moving moment. 603 00:33:09,629 --> 00:33:12,387 For all the investigators. 604 00:33:12,422 --> 00:33:14,525 Knowing that we had found the baby alive 605 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,491 just meant everything to us. 606 00:33:17,525 --> 00:33:21,353 Still tears me up a little bit. 607 00:33:21,387 --> 00:33:23,077 I'm just an old softie. 608 00:33:25,422 --> 00:33:27,870 Later that day, we got the search warrant 609 00:33:27,905 --> 00:33:31,215 to the residence of Lisa and Kevin Montgomery. 610 00:33:31,249 --> 00:33:34,387 The FBI Evidence Response Team searched the dirty, red car 611 00:33:34,422 --> 00:33:37,491 that was spotted outside of Bobbie Jo's house, 612 00:33:37,525 --> 00:33:41,387 that belongs to Lisa and Kevin Montgomery. 613 00:33:41,422 --> 00:33:45,836 There was a tremendous amount of evidence in the car. 614 00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:47,353 There was a yellow Post-It Note 615 00:33:47,387 --> 00:33:50,353 with Bobbie Jo's address in Skidmore, Missouri 616 00:33:50,387 --> 00:33:54,870 stuck on the shifting console of that car. 617 00:33:54,905 --> 00:33:56,077 But everything was in the trunk. 618 00:33:56,111 --> 00:33:58,318 The bloody knife was in the trunk. 619 00:34:00,974 --> 00:34:05,077 The rope with strands of hair. 620 00:34:05,111 --> 00:34:09,698 There was a home birthing kit, and part of the umbilical cord. 621 00:34:13,456 --> 00:34:16,180 And then, they searched the house. 622 00:34:16,215 --> 00:34:18,732 We seized the computer. 623 00:34:18,767 --> 00:34:21,077 On Lisa Montgomery's home computer, 624 00:34:21,111 --> 00:34:25,870 they found that Lisa was stalking Bobbie Jo online. 625 00:34:27,146 --> 00:34:29,801 Bobbie Jo, as she was going through stages of pregnancy, 626 00:34:29,836 --> 00:34:33,801 she would post pictures of herself on her website, 627 00:34:33,836 --> 00:34:37,008 and Lisa was tracking that pregnancy. 628 00:34:37,043 --> 00:34:39,111 You could see on her computer where she had 629 00:34:39,146 --> 00:34:42,939 looked at Bobbie Jo's photos. 630 00:34:42,974 --> 00:34:45,939 This went on for a period of time. 631 00:34:45,974 --> 00:34:47,180 Not just one or two days, 632 00:34:47,215 --> 00:34:51,249 but weeks leading up to the murder. 633 00:34:52,732 --> 00:34:56,560 We also found that Lisa was researching 634 00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:59,663 how to do Cesarean section. 635 00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:01,353 So all these things that she did, 636 00:35:01,387 --> 00:35:03,146 she obviously premeditated this. 637 00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:05,663 This is not a spur-of-the-moment murder. 638 00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:10,111 With the information from the search, 639 00:35:10,146 --> 00:35:12,456 we continued to try to get details out 640 00:35:12,491 --> 00:35:14,594 of Lisa Montgomery. 641 00:35:14,629 --> 00:35:16,560 It took some time. 642 00:35:18,594 --> 00:35:21,284 Lisa Montgomery admitted 643 00:35:21,318 --> 00:35:24,663 that she had lied to her husband about being pregnant. 644 00:35:24,698 --> 00:35:26,767 Through continued questioning, 645 00:35:26,801 --> 00:35:30,525 she admitted that she knew Bobbie Jo. 646 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,732 They had been in dog shows together before. 647 00:35:34,249 --> 00:35:38,318 And she watched Bobbie Jo's pregnancy progress. 648 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,215 She was basically tracking Bobbie Jo's pregnancy 649 00:35:45,249 --> 00:35:48,939 to try and match her own false pregnancy to it. 650 00:35:51,146 --> 00:35:54,215 In the investigation, we learned that 651 00:35:54,249 --> 00:35:57,043 Lisa Montgomery has a history of claiming she's pregnant. 652 00:35:57,077 --> 00:36:00,422 She really likes the benefits of being pregnant. 653 00:36:00,456 --> 00:36:03,422 She got attention. She didn't have to work. 654 00:36:03,456 --> 00:36:05,008 She was pampered. 655 00:36:05,043 --> 00:36:08,353 She has had several reasons 656 00:36:08,387 --> 00:36:12,353 why her pregnancies didn't end with a baby-- 657 00:36:12,387 --> 00:36:13,870 a miscarriage, 658 00:36:13,905 --> 00:36:17,387 she asked Kevin Montgomery for money for an abortion 659 00:36:17,422 --> 00:36:18,836 and he gave her money. 660 00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:23,008 The last time that she claimed she was pregnant, 661 00:36:23,043 --> 00:36:26,284 she said she had a stillbirth. 662 00:36:26,318 --> 00:36:30,491 And then, she had told Kevin again that she was pregnant. 663 00:36:30,525 --> 00:36:32,008 Six or seven months before, 664 00:36:32,043 --> 00:36:35,284 she was going to get her prenatal check-ups. 665 00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:40,422 She had taken ultrasounds and showed them to Kevin. 666 00:36:40,456 --> 00:36:43,043 She lost the baby before. She's pregnant again. 667 00:36:43,077 --> 00:36:45,663 So Kevin Montgomery puts his foot down and says, 668 00:36:45,698 --> 00:36:50,629 "I am coming to your prenatal check-up on December 17th." 669 00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:55,939 And she said that, if he found out, 670 00:36:55,974 --> 00:36:58,732 she was afraid he was gonna get violent. 671 00:36:58,767 --> 00:37:02,077 So she was really running out of excuses. 672 00:37:02,111 --> 00:37:04,698 Suddenly, it was time to produce a child. 673 00:37:08,353 --> 00:37:11,008 [eerie music] 674 00:37:11,043 --> 00:37:13,146 ♪ 675 00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:15,698 We continued the interrogation process 676 00:37:15,732 --> 00:37:17,870 with Lisa Montgomery. 677 00:37:17,905 --> 00:37:20,077 Lisa admitted, on that Monday, 678 00:37:20,111 --> 00:37:23,525 before the murder of Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 679 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,629 she sent an email out to a number of her friends saying, 680 00:37:26,663 --> 00:37:28,870 "I'm gonna go in for an ultrasound, 681 00:37:28,905 --> 00:37:32,215 "and if the baby's not here my Wednesday, 682 00:37:32,249 --> 00:37:35,422 they're gonna induce on Thursday." 683 00:37:35,456 --> 00:37:38,422 We now know she has to have a baby before the 17th, 684 00:37:38,456 --> 00:37:41,836 because otherwise Kevin will go with her to the doctor. 685 00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:45,491 She knew she wasn't pregnant. But she had boxed herself in. 686 00:37:45,525 --> 00:37:50,422 So she makes that fake email from "darlenefischer4kids." 687 00:37:53,629 --> 00:37:56,594 And she makes an appointment to see Bobbie Jo 688 00:37:56,629 --> 00:37:59,836 on the day of the murder, at around noon, 689 00:37:59,870 --> 00:38:02,698 to look at puppies to buy. 690 00:38:02,732 --> 00:38:04,387 On the morning of December 16th, 691 00:38:04,422 --> 00:38:06,456 she leaves Melvern, Kansas 692 00:38:06,491 --> 00:38:08,456 and arrived at Bobbie Jo's house 693 00:38:08,491 --> 00:38:12,043 around 12:30 or so that afternoon. 694 00:38:14,353 --> 00:38:16,387 She's there for a couple of hours, 695 00:38:16,422 --> 00:38:19,077 and they're talking and playing with the dogs. 696 00:38:22,111 --> 00:38:24,560 Lisa said, "When it was time 697 00:38:24,594 --> 00:38:28,663 "for Bobbie Jo to put the puppies back in the kennel, 698 00:38:28,698 --> 00:38:30,318 I followed her in there." 699 00:38:30,353 --> 00:38:34,353 She brought a rope with her in her coat pocket. 700 00:38:34,387 --> 00:38:37,043 She came up behind Bobbie Jo. 701 00:38:42,801 --> 00:38:44,077 Strangles her. 702 00:38:46,249 --> 00:38:49,387 To the point where she passes out. 703 00:38:49,422 --> 00:38:52,974 Lisa starts performing a crude C-section with a kitchen knife. 704 00:38:58,387 --> 00:39:01,318 She cuts the umbilical cord. She takes the baby. 705 00:39:03,525 --> 00:39:06,663 She leaves Bobbie Jo to bleed out. 706 00:39:10,318 --> 00:39:13,249 She tells us that she's a monster. 707 00:39:13,284 --> 00:39:18,077 But she really showed no remorse for what she had done. 708 00:39:18,111 --> 00:39:20,077 I remember how horrified I was 709 00:39:20,111 --> 00:39:22,629 having to sit there and interrogate the woman 710 00:39:22,663 --> 00:39:24,560 that did that. 711 00:39:24,594 --> 00:39:28,284 It was just a really, really heavy burden on that. 712 00:39:28,318 --> 00:39:31,905 The savagery of a woman that can go strangle a woman 713 00:39:31,939 --> 00:39:33,836 and cut the baby out of her is just 714 00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:38,698 really, really hard for me to wrap my head around. 715 00:39:38,732 --> 00:39:41,008 It's just horrific. 716 00:39:41,043 --> 00:39:42,525 The evidence was overwhelming 717 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,180 that this was a premeditated, cold-blooded murder. 718 00:39:46,215 --> 00:39:49,077 She planned it. She executed the murder. 719 00:39:49,111 --> 00:39:52,043 So when we have a first-degree case, 720 00:39:52,077 --> 00:39:54,043 it's a death penalty case. 721 00:39:56,905 --> 00:40:00,111 The trial begins October 4th, 2007. 722 00:40:01,974 --> 00:40:04,767 I don't think there was ever really a dispute 723 00:40:04,801 --> 00:40:08,732 that Lisa Montgomery killed Bobbie Jo and took the baby. 724 00:40:08,767 --> 00:40:12,284 I think the issue always was, what was her mental state 725 00:40:12,318 --> 00:40:16,767 and whether she was competent to stand trial. 726 00:40:16,801 --> 00:40:20,905 The defense claims that she was insane, 727 00:40:20,939 --> 00:40:23,215 that she did not have the capability 728 00:40:23,249 --> 00:40:25,663 of understanding the wrongfulness of her conduct. 729 00:40:25,698 --> 00:40:28,146 And they believed 730 00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:31,974 it was from her years of abuse as a child. 731 00:40:35,629 --> 00:40:39,353 Someone who suffers abuse from their parents-- 732 00:40:39,387 --> 00:40:42,525 their mother, their father-- is gonna grow up 733 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:47,560 with a very sort of twisted, backward sense 734 00:40:47,594 --> 00:40:50,180 of love, of being needed. 735 00:40:50,215 --> 00:40:52,525 And so, for her to grow up 736 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,077 and want to have as many children as possible 737 00:40:55,111 --> 00:40:58,284 and sort of feed off of this unconditional love 738 00:40:58,318 --> 00:41:01,939 from her children makes much more sense 739 00:41:01,974 --> 00:41:04,284 when you go back and look at the history 740 00:41:04,318 --> 00:41:06,215 of the sort of lack of love 741 00:41:06,249 --> 00:41:08,491 that she experienced her entire life. 742 00:41:08,525 --> 00:41:10,008 Even though her life was tragic, 743 00:41:10,043 --> 00:41:11,836 a lot of people have tragic lives 744 00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:13,836 and don't grow up to become murders, 745 00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:16,456 cutting babies out of the womb of a pregnant woman. 746 00:41:16,491 --> 00:41:19,767 She extracted the child from the womb 747 00:41:19,801 --> 00:41:23,594 and left the mother there to bleed out and die. 748 00:41:23,629 --> 00:41:26,525 The trauma that she had as a child 749 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,077 doesn't quite measure up 750 00:41:29,111 --> 00:41:32,180 to this level of sadistic violence, 751 00:41:32,215 --> 00:41:36,146 of simply wanting to become a mother. 752 00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:37,767 From working the investigation, 753 00:41:37,801 --> 00:41:41,560 I felt Lisa Montgomery knew exactly what she was doing 754 00:41:41,594 --> 00:41:45,456 and there was no insanity 755 00:41:45,491 --> 00:41:48,974 in regards to what her actions were. 756 00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:55,422 October 22nd, 2007, the verdict comes in. 757 00:41:59,043 --> 00:42:02,456 The jury found Lisa Montgomery guilty 758 00:42:02,491 --> 00:42:05,353 of kidnapping resulting in death 759 00:42:05,387 --> 00:42:08,456 and sentenced her to death. 760 00:42:08,491 --> 00:42:11,387 My heart ain't broke just for me and Lisa and her kids. 761 00:42:11,422 --> 00:42:15,491 It's them too. That was a precious baby. 762 00:42:15,525 --> 00:42:20,077 Shortly after midnight on January 13th, 2021, 763 00:42:20,111 --> 00:42:21,491 Lisa Montgomery was executed. 764 00:42:26,111 --> 00:42:28,974 Lisa Montgomery was the first woman 765 00:42:29,008 --> 00:42:33,491 executed by the federal government in almost 70 years. 766 00:42:35,974 --> 00:42:39,111 I thought that was wholly appropriate, 767 00:42:39,146 --> 00:42:44,422 because what she did was so evil 768 00:42:44,456 --> 00:42:49,215 that you--you have to send evil out of this world. 769 00:42:53,663 --> 00:42:57,043 The baby, to have survived what she went through, 770 00:42:57,077 --> 00:42:59,974 stolen from her mother's womb, 771 00:43:00,008 --> 00:43:03,422 tells me she's a fighter, like her mother. 772 00:43:03,456 --> 00:43:06,456 And her mother fought Lisa Montgomery 773 00:43:06,491 --> 00:43:10,456 to save her own life and her baby's life. 774 00:43:10,491 --> 00:43:12,629 I still get choked up. 775 00:43:12,663 --> 00:43:14,767 Yeah. Yeah. 776 00:43:14,801 --> 00:43:18,801 It's just--it was a horrible, senseless, needless crime. 777 00:43:18,836 --> 00:43:22,146 The best result was to get that baby back alive for the family, 778 00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:25,525 'cause that's what's left of Bobbie Jo.