1 00:00:04,215 --> 00:00:07,146 This is a killer who picks his victims at random, 2 00:00:07,180 --> 00:00:09,629 a sniper who leaves no evidence. 3 00:00:09,663 --> 00:00:11,353 4 00:00:11,387 --> 00:00:14,905 A killer who has no regard for human life, 5 00:00:14,939 --> 00:00:17,629 who hunted his victims like animals 6 00:00:17,663 --> 00:00:20,491 and left them to die alone in the wilderness. 7 00:00:20,525 --> 00:00:22,974 8 00:00:23,008 --> 00:00:24,836 There's no connection. 9 00:00:24,870 --> 00:00:28,353 There's no pattern and you don't know when he's gonna hit. 10 00:00:30,043 --> 00:00:33,146 The problem is, how do you hunt the hunter? 11 00:00:38,939 --> 00:00:45,905 12 00:00:49,146 --> 00:00:53,698 Southeastern Ohio is a rural area, 13 00:00:53,732 --> 00:00:55,146 you know, small towns. 14 00:00:57,353 --> 00:01:00,594 Great place to be an outdoorsman. 15 00:01:00,629 --> 00:01:02,698 There are thousands and thousands and thousands 16 00:01:02,732 --> 00:01:06,180 of acres of public land for hunting and fishing. 17 00:01:08,249 --> 00:01:09,698 If he were off work, 18 00:01:09,732 --> 00:01:11,870 typically you could see him out hunting. 19 00:01:19,043 --> 00:01:20,456 It was on a Saturday morning, 20 00:01:20,491 --> 00:01:22,353 and the sheriff's office dispatch 21 00:01:22,387 --> 00:01:24,456 contacted me at my home. 22 00:01:24,491 --> 00:01:27,594 They told me that we had a male individual 23 00:01:27,629 --> 00:01:30,698 that was laying on the roadway that was deceased. 24 00:01:30,732 --> 00:01:33,284 25 00:01:33,318 --> 00:01:36,905 It was in a very rural area. 26 00:01:36,939 --> 00:01:38,525 When I arrived at the scene, 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,491 the body was on the paved portion of the roadway. 28 00:01:43,629 --> 00:01:45,284 And I observed that there was a bullet 29 00:01:45,318 --> 00:01:47,560 protruding from the left side of the individual. 30 00:01:49,905 --> 00:01:51,560 The bullet passed through his arm 31 00:01:51,594 --> 00:01:53,180 and into his chest area. 32 00:01:55,353 --> 00:01:59,077 A .308 caliber round. 33 00:01:59,111 --> 00:02:02,146 It appeared that he was shot with a high-powered rifle. 34 00:02:05,525 --> 00:02:08,180 At that point, a lot of deputies and myself 35 00:02:08,215 --> 00:02:10,456 walked that area looking for 36 00:02:10,491 --> 00:02:12,318 any kind of evidence, tire tracks, 37 00:02:12,353 --> 00:02:14,387 shoe prints, anything. 38 00:02:14,422 --> 00:02:17,905 39 00:02:17,939 --> 00:02:21,180 And we found nothing. 40 00:02:21,215 --> 00:02:23,767 We did find deer tracks that could have been 41 00:02:23,801 --> 00:02:26,180 maybe related to someone shooting a deer. 42 00:02:26,215 --> 00:02:30,077 We really didn't know at that time. 43 00:02:30,111 --> 00:02:34,077 Maybe it was a hunter that fired an errant shot. 44 00:02:36,008 --> 00:02:40,284 And it just happened to hit the victim and kill him. 45 00:02:40,318 --> 00:02:43,077 So the only piece of evidence that we had from that scene 46 00:02:43,111 --> 00:02:46,663 was actually the bullet. 47 00:02:46,698 --> 00:02:50,077 A passer-by gentleman called Jack Green 48 00:02:50,111 --> 00:02:54,215 actually knew who the victim was and where he lived. 49 00:02:56,111 --> 00:02:58,456 The victim was Donald Welling. 50 00:02:58,491 --> 00:03:02,043 He was a 35-year-old white man. 51 00:03:02,077 --> 00:03:04,870 He lived alone about 6/10 of a mile 52 00:03:04,905 --> 00:03:07,698 from where his body was found. 53 00:03:07,732 --> 00:03:11,801 So I went to Don Welling's residence. 54 00:03:11,836 --> 00:03:14,077 There was no sign of any type of struggle. 55 00:03:14,111 --> 00:03:17,629 His wallet was laying on the table. 56 00:03:17,663 --> 00:03:20,387 It looked like he just happened to be out for a jog 57 00:03:20,422 --> 00:03:25,180 or just a casual walk when he was shot and killed. 58 00:03:25,215 --> 00:03:30,939 59 00:03:30,974 --> 00:03:34,974 We made contact with Mr. Welling's parents. 60 00:03:35,008 --> 00:03:38,180 His father was very, very upset about it. 61 00:03:41,180 --> 00:03:43,629 My father-in-law came out to our house, 62 00:03:43,663 --> 00:03:45,663 and when I opened the door, 63 00:03:45,698 --> 00:03:48,629 he just said, "Donnie was shot." 64 00:03:51,491 --> 00:03:55,732 It was just unbelievable. 65 00:03:55,767 --> 00:03:58,249 Don was a fun-loving, 66 00:03:58,284 --> 00:04:01,008 carefree guy. 67 00:04:01,043 --> 00:04:03,905 He drove trucks for a living. 68 00:04:03,939 --> 00:04:07,732 Donnie had a lot of friends, so he was well loved. 69 00:04:09,870 --> 00:04:12,525 I mean, it was just so sad. 70 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,146 How could this happen here? 71 00:04:18,077 --> 00:04:20,008 We began talking 72 00:04:20,043 --> 00:04:23,387 to all of Donald Welling's friends and associates. 73 00:04:23,422 --> 00:04:26,180 He was apparently just a kind individual 74 00:04:26,215 --> 00:04:30,077 that a lot of people liked. 75 00:04:30,111 --> 00:04:33,008 We also received some calls from people 76 00:04:33,043 --> 00:04:35,767 that gave us information. 77 00:04:35,801 --> 00:04:37,077 In one of those calls, 78 00:04:37,111 --> 00:04:39,870 there was allegations that Mr. Welling 79 00:04:39,905 --> 00:04:43,215 was having an affair with the wife of Jack Green, 80 00:04:43,249 --> 00:04:46,732 the person that identified the victim. 81 00:04:46,767 --> 00:04:49,422 So that got our attention. 82 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:52,732 We approached Jack Green about it. 83 00:04:52,767 --> 00:04:54,180 He didn't know about an affair, 84 00:04:54,215 --> 00:04:59,077 and he denied that he had shot Mr. Welling. 85 00:04:59,111 --> 00:05:01,008 We interviewed his wife and talked to her 86 00:05:01,043 --> 00:05:03,801 about allegations of her and Mr. Welling 87 00:05:03,836 --> 00:05:05,732 having an affair. 88 00:05:05,767 --> 00:05:09,629 But she told us that was not true. 89 00:05:09,663 --> 00:05:12,525 There was no proof that Jack Green had any part 90 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,732 in Donald Welling's shooting. 91 00:05:15,767 --> 00:05:17,663 We'd followed up everything that we had 92 00:05:17,698 --> 00:05:19,215 and there was nothing new to work on. 93 00:05:19,249 --> 00:05:22,870 So it just came to a standstill. 94 00:05:22,905 --> 00:05:24,732 It's very frustrating. 95 00:05:26,353 --> 00:05:29,111 I initially thought that it was a homicide, 96 00:05:29,146 --> 00:05:31,560 but we didn't know for sure. 97 00:05:31,594 --> 00:05:35,284 What we really knew is we had a dead man that had been shot. 98 00:05:35,318 --> 00:05:42,111 99 00:05:42,146 --> 00:05:44,939 On November the 10th, 1990, 100 00:05:44,974 --> 00:05:47,939 I was notified that a father and son 101 00:05:47,974 --> 00:05:49,836 were just driving down the road 102 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:54,939 and they saw this body laying in the weeds. 103 00:05:54,974 --> 00:05:57,077 So naturally, they called the sheriff's office 104 00:05:57,111 --> 00:06:00,180 to report this. 105 00:06:00,215 --> 00:06:01,939 Drove to the scene-- 106 00:06:01,974 --> 00:06:04,249 rather isolated area. 107 00:06:06,215 --> 00:06:10,180 The body was approximately 100 feet from the roadway 108 00:06:10,215 --> 00:06:12,215 in the high grass. 109 00:06:14,525 --> 00:06:17,974 A young white male 110 00:06:18,008 --> 00:06:21,215 in his early 20s 111 00:06:21,249 --> 00:06:23,318 had been shot three times. 112 00:06:26,525 --> 00:06:29,629 It appeared the first shot hit him in the chest, 113 00:06:29,663 --> 00:06:33,284 the second shot hit him in the knee, 114 00:06:33,318 --> 00:06:36,180 and the third shot hit him in the backside. 115 00:06:38,939 --> 00:06:41,732 We did not see any evidence 116 00:06:41,767 --> 00:06:45,732 of where anyone had disturbed the grass. 117 00:06:45,767 --> 00:06:49,077 So it appeared as though he was shot and killed 118 00:06:49,111 --> 00:06:52,043 from some distance with a high-powered rifle. 119 00:06:54,249 --> 00:06:58,422 Clearly, this individual was murdered. 120 00:06:58,456 --> 00:07:02,353 Detectives are thinking this is pretty unusual. 121 00:07:04,284 --> 00:07:07,456 We found a vehicle parked on the roadway. 122 00:07:07,491 --> 00:07:12,905 And we identified the decedent from his driver's license, 123 00:07:12,939 --> 00:07:16,353 and from the license plates of the vehicle. 124 00:07:19,008 --> 00:07:21,422 We had a 21-year-old young man 125 00:07:21,456 --> 00:07:23,491 by the name of Jamie Paxton. 126 00:07:27,249 --> 00:07:31,146 Inside the vehicle, we found a crossbow. 127 00:07:31,180 --> 00:07:33,077 We theorized at that point 128 00:07:33,111 --> 00:07:36,939 that Jamie was out looking for deer. 129 00:07:38,387 --> 00:07:41,698 But the search itself was rather disappointing. 130 00:07:41,732 --> 00:07:45,146 No shell casings at the scene, 131 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:46,663 no witnesses-- 132 00:07:46,698 --> 00:07:49,387 just wasn't really anything for the sheriff's office 133 00:07:49,422 --> 00:07:51,111 in Belmont County to go on. 134 00:07:51,146 --> 00:07:57,284 135 00:07:57,318 --> 00:07:59,939 So now we had two cases 136 00:07:59,974 --> 00:08:03,422 that occurred in these counties 137 00:08:03,456 --> 00:08:06,939 that were not connected. 138 00:08:06,974 --> 00:08:10,456 Law enforcement didn't really have the communications 139 00:08:10,491 --> 00:08:13,560 that we do today. 140 00:08:13,594 --> 00:08:15,353 Tuscarawas County did not know 141 00:08:15,387 --> 00:08:17,353 about Belmont County's homicide. 142 00:08:17,387 --> 00:08:18,905 Belmont County did not know 143 00:08:18,939 --> 00:08:22,180 about Tuscarawas' homicide at that time. 144 00:08:25,215 --> 00:08:27,801 In the late '80s and the early '90s, 145 00:08:27,836 --> 00:08:29,387 there wasn't as much communication 146 00:08:29,422 --> 00:08:30,594 between departments. 147 00:08:30,629 --> 00:08:33,663 But it's really important to communicate 148 00:08:33,698 --> 00:08:36,905 because if these two killings are related, 149 00:08:36,939 --> 00:08:39,008 those departments need to know about it. 150 00:08:39,043 --> 00:08:40,870 When our first victim is discovered, 151 00:08:40,905 --> 00:08:43,939 he's lying down, he's on a open road. 152 00:08:43,974 --> 00:08:45,698 And the first initial thought is, 153 00:08:45,732 --> 00:08:47,353 "Is this a hunting accident?" 154 00:08:47,387 --> 00:08:49,594 When the victim is actually examined, 155 00:08:49,629 --> 00:08:53,077 they discover that this wound 156 00:08:53,111 --> 00:08:56,180 is in the upper chest, center body mass. 157 00:08:56,215 --> 00:09:00,870 This is where every marksman aims to shoot. 158 00:09:00,905 --> 00:09:04,974 The second victim is wearing hunting gear 159 00:09:05,008 --> 00:09:07,767 with a reflective vest. 160 00:09:07,801 --> 00:09:10,456 This is no hunting accident. 161 00:09:10,491 --> 00:09:13,353 This is intentional. This is murder. 162 00:09:13,387 --> 00:09:15,905 If these murders are connected 163 00:09:15,939 --> 00:09:19,008 and are the same individual, we have a sniper. 164 00:09:19,043 --> 00:09:21,043 And a sniper poses 165 00:09:21,077 --> 00:09:23,698 a very unique challenge for law enforcement 166 00:09:23,732 --> 00:09:27,180 because these perpetrators often leave very little 167 00:09:27,215 --> 00:09:29,801 evidence behind other than a bullet. 168 00:09:29,836 --> 00:09:34,008 169 00:09:34,043 --> 00:09:38,111 We relayed the--the news to Mr. and Mrs. Paxton 170 00:09:38,146 --> 00:09:42,043 that Jamie had been killed. 171 00:09:42,077 --> 00:09:44,146 They were traumatized. 172 00:09:46,318 --> 00:09:49,974 I spoke with Jean Paxton mother to mother. 173 00:09:50,008 --> 00:09:52,560 Nobody could tell her why her beloved 174 00:09:52,594 --> 00:09:55,905 21-year-old son had died. 175 00:09:57,284 --> 00:10:00,077 They could find no known enemies, 176 00:10:00,111 --> 00:10:04,043 no motives for why this guy would be killed. 177 00:10:04,077 --> 00:10:07,077 So the case remained unresolved. 178 00:10:10,215 --> 00:10:13,318 Jamie's mother, for a long time 179 00:10:13,353 --> 00:10:15,836 after Jamie was killed in November of '90 180 00:10:15,870 --> 00:10:19,008 would write to the newspaper in Belmont County 181 00:10:19,043 --> 00:10:21,870 called "The Times Leader." 182 00:10:21,905 --> 00:10:25,560 She felt that she needed to do something 183 00:10:25,594 --> 00:10:30,629 to bring more attention to her son's death. 184 00:10:33,698 --> 00:10:38,422 Just to read those letters would pull your heartstrings. 185 00:10:38,456 --> 00:10:39,698 That's why I told Mrs. Paxton. 186 00:10:39,732 --> 00:10:41,456 I says, "You keep it going. 187 00:10:41,491 --> 00:10:43,836 It's affecting someone." 188 00:10:47,422 --> 00:10:49,146 And then approximately 189 00:10:49,180 --> 00:10:51,594 one year after her son's murder, 190 00:10:51,629 --> 00:10:53,284 she wrote a letter 191 00:10:53,318 --> 00:10:56,560 that the killer ended up responding to. 192 00:10:58,629 --> 00:11:02,215 He says that he will continue to kill. 193 00:11:02,249 --> 00:11:04,594 He had no remorse. 194 00:11:04,629 --> 00:11:06,560 And then it came to our attention 195 00:11:06,594 --> 00:11:09,111 that there was another similar homicide. 196 00:11:09,146 --> 00:11:11,801 That really scared people. 197 00:11:16,663 --> 00:11:19,767 On November 4th, 1991, 198 00:11:19,801 --> 00:11:22,836 about a year after Jamie Paxton's murder, 199 00:11:22,870 --> 00:11:26,180 the newspaper received an anonymous letter 200 00:11:26,215 --> 00:11:29,629 from someone who had seen those letters written 201 00:11:29,663 --> 00:11:32,180 by Jamie's mother 202 00:11:32,215 --> 00:11:37,249 and they claimed to be the murderer of Jamie Paxton. 203 00:11:40,008 --> 00:11:41,387 He described how he did it. 204 00:11:41,422 --> 00:11:45,939 There's a .308 rifle that he used and that he had 205 00:11:45,974 --> 00:11:49,905 shot Jamie three times. 206 00:11:49,939 --> 00:11:52,870 It was very detailed information 207 00:11:52,905 --> 00:11:55,146 only the killer would know. 208 00:11:57,974 --> 00:11:59,456 We were all strongly believing 209 00:11:59,491 --> 00:12:02,387 that the person authoring that letter 210 00:12:02,422 --> 00:12:04,836 was, in fact, the killer of Jamie Paxton. 211 00:12:08,284 --> 00:12:11,043 It was a typewritten letter. 212 00:12:12,456 --> 00:12:15,629 We sent it in to our lab, 213 00:12:15,663 --> 00:12:18,180 but we couldn't find any fingerprints. 214 00:12:19,801 --> 00:12:22,008 Forensically, there was nothing that we could do 215 00:12:22,043 --> 00:12:24,456 to positively identify the suspect. 216 00:12:27,353 --> 00:12:29,767 In his letter, he describes his self 217 00:12:29,801 --> 00:12:32,249 as being a serial killer 218 00:12:32,284 --> 00:12:35,215 and that he has a strange urge 219 00:12:35,249 --> 00:12:39,491 that he cannot satisfy until he kills a human being. 220 00:12:43,111 --> 00:12:47,387 He says that he will continue to kill. 221 00:12:47,422 --> 00:12:49,146 It did alarm me. 222 00:12:49,180 --> 00:12:53,870 I was thinking, "Is there more murders out there someplace 223 00:12:53,905 --> 00:12:56,422 that we just haven't come across?" 224 00:12:56,456 --> 00:13:03,560 225 00:13:07,629 --> 00:13:11,422 March 14th, my pager went off and they informed me 226 00:13:11,456 --> 00:13:13,870 that they had a death that appeared to be suspicious 227 00:13:13,905 --> 00:13:18,008 in the Wills Creek area below the dam. 228 00:13:18,043 --> 00:13:20,663 I responded to the scene. 229 00:13:20,698 --> 00:13:23,801 The body was in the process of being removed, 230 00:13:23,836 --> 00:13:25,870 and he had been shot in the back 231 00:13:25,905 --> 00:13:27,698 with what appeared to be a rifle round. 232 00:13:30,180 --> 00:13:33,732 It appeared that he had been fishing there. 233 00:13:36,043 --> 00:13:39,629 Learned his name was Claude Hawkins 234 00:13:39,663 --> 00:13:41,456 through his wallet and driver's license 235 00:13:41,491 --> 00:13:43,594 that were on his person. 236 00:13:43,629 --> 00:13:47,663 His vehicle was parked above where he was at. 237 00:13:47,698 --> 00:13:49,974 There was no evidence of any foul play 238 00:13:50,008 --> 00:13:53,249 around Mr. Hawkins whatsoever 239 00:13:53,284 --> 00:13:55,456 or around his vehicle on the roadway, 240 00:13:55,491 --> 00:13:58,146 where it parked. 241 00:13:58,180 --> 00:14:00,491 We never located any shell casings, 242 00:14:00,525 --> 00:14:03,525 tire tracks, any foot tracks. 243 00:14:09,180 --> 00:14:12,008 When the autopsy was conducted on Mr. Hawkins, 244 00:14:12,043 --> 00:14:14,767 a bullet was found from a high-powered rifle 245 00:14:14,801 --> 00:14:17,215 within the torso of his body. 246 00:14:17,249 --> 00:14:19,077 And that bullet was later identified 247 00:14:19,111 --> 00:14:23,146 as a 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser round. 248 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:27,939 249 00:14:27,974 --> 00:14:31,008 We started doing background on Mr. Hawkins. 250 00:14:31,043 --> 00:14:34,422 Mr. Hawkins was married, had four children. 251 00:14:34,456 --> 00:14:37,043 The family was devastated. 252 00:14:37,077 --> 00:14:39,215 We learned that it was not uncommon for him 253 00:14:39,249 --> 00:14:42,767 to get off his midnight shift job 254 00:14:42,801 --> 00:14:45,767 and go straight to someplace to start fishing. 255 00:14:48,663 --> 00:14:51,284 So at that point, you know, sort of like, 256 00:14:51,318 --> 00:14:52,629 "Wait a minute. 257 00:14:52,663 --> 00:14:54,249 "Did somebody just drive down this road 258 00:14:54,284 --> 00:14:55,594 "and shoot Mr. Hawkins? 259 00:14:55,629 --> 00:14:58,353 "Did he just happen to be a victim of circumstance 260 00:14:58,387 --> 00:14:59,801 at that given time?" 261 00:14:59,836 --> 00:15:02,284 And if that's the case, my mind said, 262 00:15:02,318 --> 00:15:06,008 "He's probably not the first." 263 00:15:06,043 --> 00:15:09,111 So I went home and I went through my files. 264 00:15:10,801 --> 00:15:14,043 I can remember reading in one of our local papers 265 00:15:14,077 --> 00:15:19,525 of a homicide that took place in 1989 in Tuscarawas County. 266 00:15:21,732 --> 00:15:25,594 And of the Jamie Paxton homicide in Belmont County 267 00:15:25,629 --> 00:15:30,043 that happened in November 10th of 1990. 268 00:15:30,077 --> 00:15:32,456 I knew the detective in Tuscarawas County, 269 00:15:32,491 --> 00:15:34,077 Walt Wilson. 270 00:15:34,111 --> 00:15:37,353 So I picked up the phone immediately and said, 271 00:15:37,387 --> 00:15:40,801 "Hey, Walt, did you ever solve that crime up there?" 272 00:15:42,732 --> 00:15:44,939 Captain Dane Shryock contacted me 273 00:15:44,974 --> 00:15:47,698 about the Donald Welling killing. 274 00:15:47,732 --> 00:15:49,146 He informed me of their shooting 275 00:15:49,180 --> 00:15:52,008 at the Wills Creek dam. 276 00:15:52,043 --> 00:15:53,870 I said, "Did you ever have any suspects?" 277 00:15:53,905 --> 00:15:56,594 And he said, "No." I said, "Was there any chance 278 00:15:56,629 --> 00:15:58,456 he was shot with a high-powered rifle?" 279 00:15:58,491 --> 00:15:59,939 He said, "Yes. Why?" 280 00:15:59,974 --> 00:16:02,801 So I said, "I think we need to talk." 281 00:16:04,974 --> 00:16:07,353 Dane Shryock contacted myself 282 00:16:07,387 --> 00:16:10,387 and Walt Wilson from Tuscarawas County. 283 00:16:12,456 --> 00:16:16,111 Dane suggested that we'd had the same problem he had had, 284 00:16:16,146 --> 00:16:20,318 was some unsolved homicides. 285 00:16:20,353 --> 00:16:24,594 It was Coshocton, Belmont, and myself from Tusc. 286 00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:26,560 We all brought our files and we sat down 287 00:16:26,594 --> 00:16:29,353 and we just talked openly about, 288 00:16:29,387 --> 00:16:32,939 you know, what all our cases involved. 289 00:16:32,974 --> 00:16:37,525 All the victims were doing something outdoors, 290 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:42,043 and they were by themselves in an isolated area. 291 00:16:42,077 --> 00:16:43,939 There were no witnesses to any of it. 292 00:16:43,974 --> 00:16:47,077 They were all shot with a rifle. 293 00:16:47,111 --> 00:16:49,146 And Fred Thompson had indicated 294 00:16:49,180 --> 00:16:53,387 that the mother of their victim, Mrs. Paxton, 295 00:16:53,422 --> 00:16:54,905 had received a letter 296 00:16:54,939 --> 00:16:58,146 that was allegedly from the killer of her son. 297 00:16:58,180 --> 00:17:02,422 298 00:17:02,456 --> 00:17:04,663 We needed to find out if there's other homicides 299 00:17:04,698 --> 00:17:07,215 around this area, so we set out a request 300 00:17:07,249 --> 00:17:10,318 for information from other departments. 301 00:17:10,353 --> 00:17:12,111 And then it came to our attention 302 00:17:12,146 --> 00:17:15,215 that there was another similar homicide in Muskingum County 303 00:17:15,249 --> 00:17:17,629 and that case was unsolved. 304 00:17:20,836 --> 00:17:22,491 November 28th, 305 00:17:22,525 --> 00:17:25,525 about 18 days after Jamie's homicide, 306 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,318 there was an individual by the name of Kevin Loring 307 00:17:28,353 --> 00:17:31,491 and he was with a hunting party. 308 00:17:31,525 --> 00:17:34,801 And in the afternoon, they decided to split up. 309 00:17:34,836 --> 00:17:38,043 They were supposed to meet back at their cars, 310 00:17:38,077 --> 00:17:40,698 but Mr. Loring never showed up. 311 00:17:43,215 --> 00:17:46,870 Kevin Loring was found the next morning. 312 00:17:46,905 --> 00:17:51,008 He had been shot right below the left eye 313 00:17:51,043 --> 00:17:54,974 and it came out the back of the head. 314 00:17:55,008 --> 00:18:00,180 He was shot and killed by a high-powered rifle. 315 00:18:00,215 --> 00:18:04,077 They found no shell casings, no witnesses. 316 00:18:04,111 --> 00:18:06,043 You know, they just couldn't find any reason 317 00:18:06,077 --> 00:18:10,387 why somebody would want to kill Mr. Loring. 318 00:18:10,422 --> 00:18:13,318 And so that case remained unsolved. 319 00:18:15,767 --> 00:18:17,146 We made a determination 320 00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:20,560 that in all likelihood, these four homicides, 321 00:18:20,594 --> 00:18:23,560 Donald Welling, Jamie Paxton, 322 00:18:23,594 --> 00:18:26,215 Claude Hawkins, and Kevin Loring 323 00:18:26,249 --> 00:18:28,111 were connected. 324 00:18:28,146 --> 00:18:30,836 The chance of one person doing all of these killings 325 00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:33,077 made a lot of sense, 326 00:18:33,111 --> 00:18:35,560 but it was shocking to realize 327 00:18:35,594 --> 00:18:38,215 now you're after a serial killer. 328 00:18:44,077 --> 00:18:47,491 At this point, we had four victims killed 329 00:18:47,525 --> 00:18:51,353 with a high-powered rifle... 330 00:18:51,387 --> 00:18:56,732 either hunting or fishing in remote areas. 331 00:18:56,767 --> 00:18:58,732 There were no witnesses. 332 00:18:58,767 --> 00:19:03,077 So we pretty much figured out that they might be connected. 333 00:19:05,732 --> 00:19:08,077 We decided that we needed to get together 334 00:19:08,111 --> 00:19:12,456 and basically start a task force. 335 00:19:12,491 --> 00:19:14,456 We knew the task was gonna be daunting 336 00:19:14,491 --> 00:19:17,870 and looked at the FBI at this point for some guidance. 337 00:19:20,525 --> 00:19:24,560 Mr. Ankrom at Quantico of the behavioral science unit 338 00:19:24,594 --> 00:19:28,146 prepared a profile for the shooter. 339 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:30,008 They had received a letter from an individual 340 00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:33,008 claiming to be the killer of Jamie Paxton. 341 00:19:33,043 --> 00:19:35,008 The words that he used in it 342 00:19:35,043 --> 00:19:37,353 were somehow more complex. 343 00:19:37,387 --> 00:19:40,077 He made reference to poetry. 344 00:19:40,111 --> 00:19:42,456 So all of that together led me to believe 345 00:19:42,491 --> 00:19:45,525 that he was at least a high school education or higher. 346 00:19:47,525 --> 00:19:51,905 It was apparent to me that he's most likely a white male. 347 00:19:51,939 --> 00:19:55,043 He was at least 30 years of age. 348 00:19:55,077 --> 00:19:58,905 He's capable of being employed. 349 00:19:58,939 --> 00:20:01,974 He probably didn't have a lot of close friends. 350 00:20:02,008 --> 00:20:05,905 He was something of a loner. 351 00:20:05,939 --> 00:20:08,560 We believed that we had a serial killer responsible 352 00:20:08,594 --> 00:20:11,939 for four homicides over a period of several years. 353 00:20:13,422 --> 00:20:16,249 Right after we started forming this--this task force, 354 00:20:16,284 --> 00:20:19,284 there was a fifth homicide that came to our attention. 355 00:20:19,318 --> 00:20:25,215 356 00:20:25,249 --> 00:20:28,560 On April 5th of 1992, 357 00:20:28,594 --> 00:20:30,629 we heard from Noble County, 358 00:20:30,663 --> 00:20:33,594 which is, again, in this general area, 359 00:20:33,629 --> 00:20:35,801 southeastern Ohio, 360 00:20:35,836 --> 00:20:39,594 an individual had been shot and killed. 361 00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:44,663 He was identified through his driver's license 362 00:20:44,698 --> 00:20:49,594 as Gary Bradley from Williamstown, West Virginia. 363 00:20:49,629 --> 00:20:53,043 He was fishing in a remote area when he was shot. 364 00:20:55,422 --> 00:20:58,180 He had been shot once in the back 365 00:20:58,215 --> 00:21:00,353 with a high-powered rifle 366 00:21:00,387 --> 00:21:02,663 and then once in the backside. 367 00:21:05,111 --> 00:21:07,008 His vehicle was parked in the area, 368 00:21:07,043 --> 00:21:11,663 and there was no other witnesses that we're aware of. 369 00:21:11,698 --> 00:21:13,939 It was quite evident that whoever was doing the killing 370 00:21:13,974 --> 00:21:16,456 was being very careful that he was not leaving 371 00:21:16,491 --> 00:21:20,767 any shell casings, any tire tracks. 372 00:21:20,801 --> 00:21:24,767 The Bradley killing fit these other homicides. 373 00:21:24,801 --> 00:21:26,560 And it was very troubling 374 00:21:26,594 --> 00:21:29,353 because we have a serial killer on the loose, 375 00:21:29,387 --> 00:21:33,939 and what are we going to do and how are we going to stop him? 376 00:21:33,974 --> 00:21:35,801 And then the autopsy revealed 377 00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:38,974 that the rounds recovered from Mr. Bradley 378 00:21:39,008 --> 00:21:42,111 were from a Swedish Mauser 379 00:21:42,146 --> 00:21:44,077 very similar, if not exact, 380 00:21:44,111 --> 00:21:48,146 to the round that was used to kill Claude Hawkins. 381 00:21:50,180 --> 00:21:53,974 And it was determined the last two homicides 382 00:21:54,008 --> 00:21:57,767 may have been committed using the same firearm. 383 00:22:01,387 --> 00:22:04,836 We were devastated when we had another case. 384 00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:07,560 We felt under the gun to get this resolved 385 00:22:07,594 --> 00:22:11,249 as quickly as possible because we had people dying. 386 00:22:13,974 --> 00:22:16,560 So we now have five different murders 387 00:22:16,594 --> 00:22:20,043 in five different counties in rural Ohio. 388 00:22:20,077 --> 00:22:24,456 He seems to be intentionally going to different areas, 389 00:22:24,491 --> 00:22:26,456 maybe knowing that the police departments 390 00:22:26,491 --> 00:22:27,905 don't talk to each other, 391 00:22:27,939 --> 00:22:30,594 knowing he has a better chance of getting away with it 392 00:22:30,629 --> 00:22:32,939 if he kills in different counties. 393 00:22:32,974 --> 00:22:36,698 So you're dealing with a calculated, highly organized, 394 00:22:36,732 --> 00:22:38,905 sophisticated killer at this point, 395 00:22:38,939 --> 00:22:41,422 which is a scary thing for law enforcement 396 00:22:41,456 --> 00:22:42,870 to have to confront. 397 00:22:42,905 --> 00:22:45,698 What's even more frightening is the use of a rifle. 398 00:22:45,732 --> 00:22:48,663 Makes it very difficult to track someone 399 00:22:48,698 --> 00:22:51,560 who kills from an incredible distance. 400 00:22:51,594 --> 00:22:55,284 This is something that the police can't police. 401 00:22:58,974 --> 00:23:00,870 It was determined that at this point, 402 00:23:00,905 --> 00:23:03,387 we needed to go public to save lives 403 00:23:03,422 --> 00:23:05,767 and make people aware of what was going on. 404 00:23:08,077 --> 00:23:11,560 The profile was provided in that news release. 405 00:23:13,008 --> 00:23:15,698 The press conference, besides making people aware, 406 00:23:15,732 --> 00:23:17,560 created a lot of fear in the community 407 00:23:17,594 --> 00:23:18,801 because there's a lot of people 408 00:23:18,836 --> 00:23:22,146 that spend a lot of time in the outdoors. 409 00:23:22,180 --> 00:23:24,974 It was terrifying. 410 00:23:25,008 --> 00:23:30,939 And there was a clamor for law enforcement to get this person. 411 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,870 People reported to the task force possible suspects. 412 00:23:40,629 --> 00:23:42,698 But these leads were not that strong 413 00:23:42,732 --> 00:23:45,043 and it did not go anywhere. 414 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,180 And then, a number of months later, 415 00:23:49,215 --> 00:23:51,836 we got a call from an individual 416 00:23:51,870 --> 00:23:53,629 by the name of Richard Fry. 417 00:23:55,698 --> 00:23:57,732 He said, "I think this information 418 00:23:57,767 --> 00:23:59,180 "that's out there in the news 419 00:23:59,215 --> 00:24:01,801 seems like it could be one of my best friend's." 420 00:24:03,698 --> 00:24:05,974 He wanted to sit down and talk. 421 00:24:07,905 --> 00:24:10,043 It was pretty obvious that he was nervous 422 00:24:10,077 --> 00:24:12,008 about talking about this. 423 00:24:14,905 --> 00:24:18,525 He told me his friend's name was Tom Dillon, 424 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,767 that they had gone to high school together. 425 00:24:20,801 --> 00:24:23,905 They both very much liked guns and weapons 426 00:24:23,939 --> 00:24:26,698 and going out and shooting. 427 00:24:26,732 --> 00:24:29,077 But as years went by, 428 00:24:29,111 --> 00:24:32,008 Richard Fry said that he kinda got away from his friend 429 00:24:32,043 --> 00:24:35,422 because he started doing things that kind of scared him. 430 00:24:35,456 --> 00:24:37,801 He would shoot out bank windows, 431 00:24:37,836 --> 00:24:39,525 street signs, cars. 432 00:24:42,905 --> 00:24:44,870 It was pretty obvious to Mr. Fry 433 00:24:44,905 --> 00:24:48,939 that Tom Dillon's life was pretty much deteriorating. 434 00:24:48,974 --> 00:24:51,215 He was drinking an awful lot. 435 00:24:53,111 --> 00:24:56,284 Dillon read up on some different serial killers. 436 00:24:56,318 --> 00:24:58,043 One of them was being Ted Bundy, 437 00:24:58,077 --> 00:25:00,008 and he just was really interested 438 00:25:00,043 --> 00:25:02,318 in what they did and how they did it. 439 00:25:04,525 --> 00:25:07,939 And that really made Richard Fry highly suspicious 440 00:25:07,974 --> 00:25:10,939 that something was wrong with Mr. Dillon. 441 00:25:12,767 --> 00:25:14,525 There were a lot of leads that came in, 442 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,180 but this one made you wanna dig a lot deeper. 443 00:25:17,215 --> 00:25:20,939 444 00:25:20,974 --> 00:25:23,836 We had no evidence at this point to stop him. 445 00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:27,043 That was an extremely tense time 446 00:25:27,077 --> 00:25:30,456 because we were so worried that he may kill again. 447 00:25:30,491 --> 00:25:32,215 And the plane is telling us, 448 00:25:32,249 --> 00:25:34,422 "Ooh, there's a female jogger on the road." 449 00:25:34,456 --> 00:25:35,939 It was, like, "Please, God. 450 00:25:35,974 --> 00:25:37,836 Don't let him shoot this person." 451 00:25:44,698 --> 00:25:47,284 We're looking at five homicides. 452 00:25:47,318 --> 00:25:51,111 These individuals were killed out in remote areas. 453 00:25:51,146 --> 00:25:53,043 They were involved in either, you know, 454 00:25:53,077 --> 00:25:55,077 some type of outdoor activity. 455 00:25:55,111 --> 00:25:57,836 They're hunting or fishing. 456 00:25:57,870 --> 00:26:00,560 We have to put it in high gear 457 00:26:00,594 --> 00:26:03,422 and absolutely put a stop to it. 458 00:26:05,422 --> 00:26:08,353 We started generating tips from the public 459 00:26:08,387 --> 00:26:11,663 about possible suspects. 460 00:26:11,698 --> 00:26:13,870 One of them was Thomas Dillon. 461 00:26:13,905 --> 00:26:19,111 462 00:26:19,146 --> 00:26:22,767 All we had were suspicions. 463 00:26:22,801 --> 00:26:25,180 So we had to find out as much information 464 00:26:25,215 --> 00:26:28,422 as we could about Dillon. 465 00:26:28,456 --> 00:26:31,836 He was a family man, had a wife, had a son. 466 00:26:33,801 --> 00:26:36,249 We know from records 467 00:26:36,284 --> 00:26:41,180 that Dillon had one or two fairly minor arrests prior. 468 00:26:41,215 --> 00:26:43,594 Sometime in early August, 469 00:26:43,629 --> 00:26:46,732 Mr. Dillon was found in a park 470 00:26:46,767 --> 00:26:52,111 in Stark County, Ohio by a park ranger. 471 00:26:52,146 --> 00:26:57,043 And he was found with a rifle with a silencer. 472 00:26:59,180 --> 00:27:01,387 Silencer was illegal, 473 00:27:01,422 --> 00:27:05,353 and that case gets turned over to the ATF. 474 00:27:05,387 --> 00:27:07,456 And eventually, 475 00:27:07,491 --> 00:27:10,732 Dillon pleads guilty to the charge 476 00:27:10,767 --> 00:27:12,974 and he's placed on probation. 477 00:27:13,008 --> 00:27:17,215 478 00:27:17,249 --> 00:27:19,974 We learned that Thomas Dillon worked for the city of Canton 479 00:27:20,008 --> 00:27:22,387 as a draftsman for the water department. 480 00:27:24,732 --> 00:27:26,629 We requested a copy 481 00:27:26,663 --> 00:27:30,043 of Tom Dillon's prior work schedules. 482 00:27:30,077 --> 00:27:32,456 And we found he was off on the weekends 483 00:27:32,491 --> 00:27:35,353 of four of the homicides, and he was off 484 00:27:35,387 --> 00:27:38,801 on the day of Kevin Loring's killing at Muskingum County. 485 00:27:40,836 --> 00:27:42,801 Thomas Dillon rose to the top 486 00:27:42,836 --> 00:27:45,249 as the number one suspect quite quickly. 487 00:27:48,111 --> 00:27:51,422 We ended up putting him under surveillance to try to see 488 00:27:51,456 --> 00:27:53,663 if we could find any evidence of him 489 00:27:53,698 --> 00:27:57,077 being involved in these crimes. 490 00:27:57,111 --> 00:27:59,318 We tracked Mr. Dillon all over Southern Ohio 491 00:27:59,353 --> 00:28:01,560 for several months. 492 00:28:01,594 --> 00:28:05,836 493 00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:07,043 During that time, 494 00:28:07,077 --> 00:28:09,180 we learned he was committing minor crimes, 495 00:28:09,215 --> 00:28:12,560 vandalizing electric meters, that type of thing. 496 00:28:12,594 --> 00:28:15,491 He was burning old buildings and killing animals. 497 00:28:17,249 --> 00:28:20,767 That was a great concern for the task force. 498 00:28:24,008 --> 00:28:27,215 Burning old buildings and killing animals 499 00:28:27,249 --> 00:28:29,077 was a big concern to the task force 500 00:28:29,111 --> 00:28:32,422 because that's a red flag of a serial killer. 501 00:28:32,456 --> 00:28:35,870 The reason why hurting or killing animals 502 00:28:35,905 --> 00:28:38,663 is seen as sort of an early indicator 503 00:28:38,698 --> 00:28:42,560 of potential psychopathic or serial killing behavior 504 00:28:42,594 --> 00:28:45,180 is because there's essentially a graduation. 505 00:28:45,215 --> 00:28:47,698 These individuals often start by hurting animals. 506 00:28:47,732 --> 00:28:49,767 It's sort of a practice or a warm-up. 507 00:28:49,801 --> 00:28:51,215 And they do that. 508 00:28:51,249 --> 00:28:53,353 And when that no longer sort of fits the bill 509 00:28:53,387 --> 00:28:56,077 or brings them the arousal that they want from it, 510 00:28:56,111 --> 00:28:59,180 they move on to hurting and eventually killing humans. 511 00:28:59,215 --> 00:29:00,870 So the police officers 512 00:29:00,905 --> 00:29:03,284 have identified their primary suspect, Dillon. 513 00:29:03,318 --> 00:29:05,525 The problem is there's very little evidence 514 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,939 to make an arrest. 515 00:29:06,974 --> 00:29:09,146 And it's one thing to have probable cause to arrest. 516 00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:11,560 But once you make that arrest, you better have proof 517 00:29:11,594 --> 00:29:13,560 beyond a reasonable doubt 'cause that's what you need-- 518 00:29:13,594 --> 00:29:16,353 a much higher threshold for trial. 519 00:29:16,387 --> 00:29:18,560 The only thing that they have to do at this point 520 00:29:18,594 --> 00:29:20,698 is to place him under surveillance. 521 00:29:20,732 --> 00:29:22,870 There are some moral and ethical issues 522 00:29:22,905 --> 00:29:25,146 that come with this decision. 523 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:27,594 How close do you let him get 524 00:29:27,629 --> 00:29:31,249 before he actually murders someone? 525 00:29:35,008 --> 00:29:38,180 We were very hesitant to do anything 526 00:29:38,215 --> 00:29:41,939 that would let Dillon know that he was our suspect. 527 00:29:44,215 --> 00:29:47,043 And we had no evidence at this point to stop him. 528 00:29:47,077 --> 00:29:51,456 529 00:29:51,491 --> 00:29:53,698 It was very difficult to do surveillance 530 00:29:53,732 --> 00:29:55,698 because of such remote areas. 531 00:29:57,801 --> 00:30:01,456 I have notified the FBI's aviation unit 532 00:30:01,491 --> 00:30:06,249 and requested assistance from them to provide aircraft, 533 00:30:06,284 --> 00:30:09,629 to help us surveil Dillon. 534 00:30:12,111 --> 00:30:14,043 We were out on the surveillance one day 535 00:30:14,077 --> 00:30:17,284 and the aircraft was up. 536 00:30:17,318 --> 00:30:19,077 FBI Agent Trombitas and I 537 00:30:19,111 --> 00:30:22,560 are in the lead vehicle behind Mr. Dillon. 538 00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:26,146 We're driving along, 539 00:30:26,180 --> 00:30:28,180 giving Mr. Dillon some distance. 540 00:30:30,249 --> 00:30:33,387 And the aircraft is calling out what he's doing. 541 00:30:36,456 --> 00:30:39,422 And the plane is telling us, "Ooh, there's a female jogger 542 00:30:39,456 --> 00:30:41,456 on the road that he's going to come upon." 543 00:30:43,491 --> 00:30:46,043 And the aircraft says, 544 00:30:46,077 --> 00:30:48,180 "Okay, he's coming up on the jogger. 545 00:30:48,215 --> 00:30:50,836 He's slowing down." 546 00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:52,422 Dane and I are looking at each other. 547 00:30:52,456 --> 00:30:55,801 And I mean, we're-- you know, we're stressed. 548 00:30:58,077 --> 00:31:00,525 Agent Trombitas and I sped our vehicle up 549 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,422 to try to get close to Mr. Dillon so he didn't have 550 00:31:03,456 --> 00:31:06,939 an opportunity to commit any crime. 551 00:31:06,974 --> 00:31:10,974 We have to be able to stop this from happening. 552 00:31:11,008 --> 00:31:14,318 If we don't get there quick enough, someone's gonna die. 553 00:31:19,215 --> 00:31:22,456 We had Thomas Dillon under surveillance. 554 00:31:23,939 --> 00:31:27,560 We're following Mr. Dillon with an airplane. 555 00:31:30,249 --> 00:31:31,732 And we're driving along, 556 00:31:31,767 --> 00:31:34,008 giving Mr. Dillon some distance. 557 00:31:35,146 --> 00:31:37,663 The aircraft is calling out what he's doing. 558 00:31:37,698 --> 00:31:39,077 And then he says, 559 00:31:39,111 --> 00:31:42,318 "Looks like there's a jogger in the road ahead of him." 560 00:31:44,698 --> 00:31:47,284 And it was, like, "Oh, my God. 561 00:31:47,318 --> 00:31:49,077 "Please, God," you know, 562 00:31:49,111 --> 00:31:51,353 "Don't let him shoot this person." 563 00:31:53,663 --> 00:31:56,111 We made the determination at that point 564 00:31:56,146 --> 00:31:57,594 that we were going to speed up 565 00:31:57,629 --> 00:32:00,560 onto the back of him very quickly. 566 00:32:03,767 --> 00:32:07,008 And all of a sudden the plane says, 567 00:32:07,043 --> 00:32:09,767 "Okay, Dillon is turning right. 568 00:32:09,801 --> 00:32:11,801 He's going away from the jogger." 569 00:32:16,353 --> 00:32:17,525 So we backed off. 570 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,974 Thomas Dillon never knew we were behind him. 571 00:32:21,008 --> 00:32:23,939 We thought that Dillon most likely decided 572 00:32:23,974 --> 00:32:26,767 this was not somebody that maybe he wanted to target. 573 00:32:29,387 --> 00:32:32,111 To this day, it still gives me chills. 574 00:32:36,525 --> 00:32:37,939 We felt under the gun 575 00:32:37,974 --> 00:32:41,043 to get this resolved as quickly as possible. 576 00:32:42,629 --> 00:32:45,939 I mean, if we're on him and we lose him 577 00:32:45,974 --> 00:32:49,249 and he ends up killing somebody else that day, 578 00:32:49,284 --> 00:32:52,318 how are we going to explain to that family 579 00:32:52,353 --> 00:32:54,767 that we weren't there to prevent him from, 580 00:32:54,801 --> 00:32:57,870 you know, killing your dad, or, you know, your husband? 581 00:33:00,663 --> 00:33:04,215 We can't really afford to let him stay out much longer. 582 00:33:09,836 --> 00:33:12,111 On November 21st, 1992, 583 00:33:12,146 --> 00:33:15,077 the surveillance team was following Thomas Dillon 584 00:33:15,111 --> 00:33:19,456 when he went to a gun show in Tuscarawas County. 585 00:33:19,491 --> 00:33:21,629 One of our task force officers, 586 00:33:21,663 --> 00:33:25,629 they see Dillon purchase a handgun. 587 00:33:25,663 --> 00:33:27,594 Dillon was out on probation 588 00:33:27,629 --> 00:33:29,974 now for possession of a silencer, 589 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,698 and he wasn't allowed to purchase weapons. 590 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,836 They don't have enough to arrest him for murder. 591 00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:40,146 They do have them on other charges. 592 00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:42,387 So the question is, do they bring them in 593 00:33:42,422 --> 00:33:46,422 on the other charges and hope maybe he'll talk 594 00:33:46,456 --> 00:33:48,974 and incriminate himself about the murders? 595 00:33:49,008 --> 00:33:52,077 This is a very troubling conundrum for them to be in. 596 00:33:52,111 --> 00:33:54,111 They have to weigh the costs and benefits of 597 00:33:54,146 --> 00:33:55,870 if it pays to keep him in jail 598 00:33:55,905 --> 00:33:57,663 until they can get enough evidence, 599 00:33:57,698 --> 00:34:00,215 or do they trail him and track him 600 00:34:00,249 --> 00:34:01,594 until they have enough evidence, 601 00:34:01,629 --> 00:34:03,456 but take the risk that he could, 602 00:34:03,491 --> 00:34:06,077 you know, evade them and kill somebody else? 603 00:34:06,111 --> 00:34:09,353 There's a time in every investigation 604 00:34:09,387 --> 00:34:12,077 where you just have to roll the dice. 605 00:34:12,111 --> 00:34:14,249 You have to make a decision. 606 00:34:14,284 --> 00:34:16,767 You have to make the arrest, 607 00:34:16,801 --> 00:34:19,974 and you have to let the chips fall where they may. 608 00:34:22,491 --> 00:34:25,284 A decision was made that we would go ahead, 609 00:34:25,318 --> 00:34:26,905 get him off the street 610 00:34:26,939 --> 00:34:29,974 before he had an opportunity to kill anybody else. 611 00:34:31,387 --> 00:34:34,077 We came up with a plan. 612 00:34:34,111 --> 00:34:36,870 We knew that Dillon liked to go to this dairy mart 613 00:34:36,905 --> 00:34:38,525 not too far from his home. 614 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,525 He would leave his residence about 7:00 in the morning. 615 00:34:43,111 --> 00:34:46,387 It was prearranged with the ATF 616 00:34:46,422 --> 00:34:47,732 that they would arrest him 617 00:34:47,767 --> 00:34:51,353 for his probation violation for purchasing a weapon. 618 00:34:53,594 --> 00:34:54,939 Everything is in place. 619 00:34:54,974 --> 00:34:57,008 And sure enough, Dillon comes down, 620 00:34:57,043 --> 00:34:58,870 turns into the dairy mart. 621 00:34:58,905 --> 00:35:02,353 622 00:35:02,387 --> 00:35:04,905 I gave the signal to ATF. 623 00:35:04,939 --> 00:35:08,732 They came in and made the arrest. 624 00:35:11,594 --> 00:35:12,767 While they were patting him down, 625 00:35:12,801 --> 00:35:14,111 they found a handgun on him. 626 00:35:14,146 --> 00:35:16,974 So in fact, he did have a firearm on him. 627 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,146 And I said, "Mr. Dillon, I'm with the FBI. 628 00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:24,353 We'd like to talk to you." 629 00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:28,146 He looked surprised. 630 00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:31,249 And he said, "I'ma call my lawyer." 631 00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:37,215 They took him to Stark County jail. 632 00:35:37,249 --> 00:35:41,525 633 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,767 We obtained a search warrant for his residence. 634 00:35:47,663 --> 00:35:50,560 The hope was when they search the home, 635 00:35:50,594 --> 00:35:52,698 they would find physical evidence. 636 00:35:52,732 --> 00:35:55,387 But unfortunately, they found next to nothing. 637 00:35:57,215 --> 00:36:01,318 We never found any evidence of any guns, any bullets 638 00:36:01,353 --> 00:36:03,732 that would connect him to any of the murders. 639 00:36:07,111 --> 00:36:10,422 We still had the probation violation charge, 640 00:36:10,456 --> 00:36:14,215 and the magistrate agreed that he was a danger. 641 00:36:14,249 --> 00:36:17,905 So he was not given bail. 642 00:36:17,939 --> 00:36:20,111 What we decided to do at this point 643 00:36:20,146 --> 00:36:23,077 was go to the media and say, 644 00:36:23,111 --> 00:36:28,284 "Tom Dillon is a person of interest in these cases." 645 00:36:29,663 --> 00:36:32,180 They put out a widespread plea. 646 00:36:32,215 --> 00:36:37,077 "If anyone sold him a gun or bought a gun from him, 647 00:36:37,111 --> 00:36:39,974 please get in touch with us." 648 00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:46,698 649 00:36:46,732 --> 00:36:51,077 Pretty soon, we get a call from an individual who says, 650 00:36:51,111 --> 00:36:55,318 "I bought a Swedish Mauser from Mr. Dillon. 651 00:36:56,422 --> 00:36:59,111 I recognize his face from the news media." 652 00:37:00,974 --> 00:37:02,077 And then he says, 653 00:37:02,111 --> 00:37:05,215 "You're welcome to come get the weapon." 654 00:37:05,249 --> 00:37:10,180 And Dane volunteered to actually hand carry the gun 655 00:37:10,215 --> 00:37:13,594 to Washington D.C. to the FBI lab. 656 00:37:15,146 --> 00:37:18,629 The FBI performed a ballistics on the weapon 657 00:37:18,663 --> 00:37:20,870 and we ended up getting a 100% match 658 00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:23,353 on Gary Bradley, Noble County, 659 00:37:23,387 --> 00:37:26,767 and about a 90% match on Claude Hawkins' homicide. 660 00:37:28,594 --> 00:37:31,836 Concrete evidence that sealed the deal really 661 00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:33,560 on those two cases. 662 00:37:33,594 --> 00:37:38,043 So we're in a position where we believe we have enough evidence 663 00:37:38,077 --> 00:37:40,077 to seek the death penalty on Dillon. 664 00:37:42,974 --> 00:37:44,594 But we still could not prove 665 00:37:44,629 --> 00:37:47,629 the remaining three murder cases. 666 00:37:47,663 --> 00:37:49,974 And so we wanted to be willing 667 00:37:50,008 --> 00:37:51,353 to drop the death penalty 668 00:37:51,387 --> 00:37:54,077 in exchange for Dillon's admission. 669 00:37:55,905 --> 00:37:58,249 Dillon's attorneys let us know 670 00:37:58,284 --> 00:38:01,353 that he was willing to speak with us. 671 00:38:02,836 --> 00:38:06,387 We were trying to get a confession from him. 672 00:38:06,422 --> 00:38:08,801 This may be it. We're really close. 673 00:38:15,525 --> 00:38:19,284 We sat down with Dillon to go through each of the homicides. 674 00:38:21,456 --> 00:38:24,801 Thomas Dillon was very intelligent. 675 00:38:24,836 --> 00:38:28,387 It was a game to him with investigators. 676 00:38:28,422 --> 00:38:31,077 One thing that I think he struggled with 677 00:38:31,111 --> 00:38:33,422 was how he ever got caught. 678 00:38:33,456 --> 00:38:36,698 That really troubled him. 679 00:38:36,732 --> 00:38:40,077 We spent several hours in an interview with him. 680 00:38:40,111 --> 00:38:42,663 Finally, he realized at that point 681 00:38:42,698 --> 00:38:45,284 that it was in his best interest to confess. 682 00:38:45,318 --> 00:38:48,801 683 00:38:48,836 --> 00:38:51,870 He said on April 1st, 1989, 684 00:38:51,905 --> 00:38:56,870 "I happened to be driving through Tuscarawas County..." 685 00:38:59,043 --> 00:39:00,594 And he came across Donald Welling 686 00:39:00,629 --> 00:39:03,180 walking in this remote area. 687 00:39:03,215 --> 00:39:05,146 And he said, 688 00:39:05,180 --> 00:39:07,318 "I just heard a voice that said, 689 00:39:07,353 --> 00:39:09,698 'Do it, do it.'" 690 00:39:09,732 --> 00:39:11,560 And he rolled down his window, shot him... 691 00:39:12,939 --> 00:39:15,180 With a high-powered rifle, 692 00:39:15,215 --> 00:39:17,387 and drove on down the road. 693 00:39:17,422 --> 00:39:21,698 The next incident was November 10th, 1990 694 00:39:21,732 --> 00:39:25,077 with Jamie Paxton. 695 00:39:25,111 --> 00:39:27,077 Thomas Dillon drove by him and saw him 696 00:39:27,111 --> 00:39:30,456 about 100 feet off the road. 697 00:39:30,491 --> 00:39:32,974 He said, "I heard that voice again, 698 00:39:33,008 --> 00:39:36,318 telling me, 'Do it, do it.'" 699 00:39:36,353 --> 00:39:39,008 He said that Jamie Paxton didn't even recognize 700 00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,422 that somebody was pointing a gun at him, 701 00:39:41,456 --> 00:39:43,146 shot him... 702 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,732 The first round hit him in the chest. 703 00:39:46,767 --> 00:39:48,422 He dropped to the ground. 704 00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:53,008 He heard Jamie groan and he went down. 705 00:39:53,043 --> 00:39:56,043 But he wanted to finish him off, 706 00:39:56,077 --> 00:40:01,180 so Dillon continued to pump two more rounds into him. 707 00:40:02,422 --> 00:40:05,353 The next case was the Kevin Loring case 708 00:40:05,387 --> 00:40:11,008 that happened on November 28th, 1990. 709 00:40:11,043 --> 00:40:13,353 Thomas Dillon had been deer hunting with some friends 710 00:40:13,387 --> 00:40:15,077 and he left, started driving around, 711 00:40:15,111 --> 00:40:18,077 came across Kevin Loring, 712 00:40:18,111 --> 00:40:20,525 shot him from the roadway. 713 00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:25,939 We moved into the fourth one, 714 00:40:25,974 --> 00:40:30,008 Claude Hawkins on March 14th, 1992. 715 00:40:30,043 --> 00:40:32,422 Dillon said he was just driving around 716 00:40:32,456 --> 00:40:36,111 and he saw a guy all by himself fishing. 717 00:40:36,146 --> 00:40:40,043 He walked down about 50 feet into some pine trees. 718 00:40:41,422 --> 00:40:42,836 Shot him square on the back. 719 00:40:45,111 --> 00:40:49,077 And then he moved on to the fifth homicide, 720 00:40:49,111 --> 00:40:52,043 Gary Bradley, 721 00:40:52,077 --> 00:40:55,491 roughly three weeks after Claude Hawkins. 722 00:40:55,525 --> 00:40:57,008 He saw him fishing... 723 00:40:58,491 --> 00:41:01,594 Shot him from the roadway in the torso twice... 724 00:41:03,111 --> 00:41:05,043 Got in the vehicle and drove away 725 00:41:05,077 --> 00:41:08,353 like nothing ever happened. 726 00:41:08,387 --> 00:41:10,836 And he said it was like shooting, 727 00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:12,698 you know, bottles at--at the dump. 728 00:41:12,732 --> 00:41:16,939 That's how much it really meant to him. 729 00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:18,905 You know, it's just awful. 730 00:41:22,767 --> 00:41:27,698 Here we have a sniper who hunts men. 731 00:41:27,732 --> 00:41:31,732 Each one of these victims was doing something that they love, 732 00:41:31,767 --> 00:41:33,836 having a peaceful day, 733 00:41:33,870 --> 00:41:36,146 not even knowing that it's coming. 734 00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:38,594 What makes this killer so twisted 735 00:41:38,629 --> 00:41:41,939 is the simplistic motive behind his killings. 736 00:41:41,974 --> 00:41:45,698 Anyone who's aimed at a target who shot a basket 737 00:41:45,732 --> 00:41:51,077 knows the thrill in hitting the target or making the score. 738 00:41:51,111 --> 00:41:53,732 And that's what happened with Thomas Dillon. 739 00:41:53,767 --> 00:41:58,456 He didn't care whether his subject was a bottle, 740 00:41:58,491 --> 00:42:01,284 a squirrel, or a human being. 741 00:42:01,318 --> 00:42:02,698 To him, they were just targets 742 00:42:02,732 --> 00:42:06,491 and he got the thrill just hitting his target. 743 00:42:06,525 --> 00:42:08,249 He had a history of doing this 744 00:42:08,284 --> 00:42:12,146 on sort of stressed-out days or bad days. 745 00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:14,525 And so the very simplistic explanation 746 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,732 is he was having a bad day. 747 00:42:16,767 --> 00:42:19,974 This was sport for him. This was blowing off steam. 748 00:42:23,801 --> 00:42:25,870 Thomas Dillon entered a guilty plea 749 00:42:25,905 --> 00:42:28,318 to these five aggravated murders 750 00:42:28,353 --> 00:42:30,318 as we call them under our statute. 751 00:42:31,905 --> 00:42:33,629 The courtroom was packed 752 00:42:33,663 --> 00:42:35,801 and the judge sentenced him 753 00:42:35,836 --> 00:42:39,077 to life in prison with no chance of parole 754 00:42:39,111 --> 00:42:41,353 for 165 years. 755 00:42:43,111 --> 00:42:47,629 It was so good to get this guy off the street 756 00:42:47,663 --> 00:42:50,077 where he would never get out again. 757 00:42:52,387 --> 00:42:54,215 But even with all of that, 758 00:42:54,249 --> 00:42:57,560 you just can't replace the five victims that he left behind. 759 00:43:01,318 --> 00:43:04,456 There's always a little part of me that 760 00:43:04,491 --> 00:43:05,939 kind of thinks this whole family 761 00:43:05,974 --> 00:43:08,560 was ripped apart because of him. 762 00:43:08,594 --> 00:43:11,939 My father-in-law sat in a bar every day until he died. 763 00:43:11,974 --> 00:43:15,077 And I think it was just grieving over his son. 764 00:43:15,111 --> 00:43:19,008 765 00:43:19,043 --> 00:43:22,594 How many people would Mr. Dillon be responsible for? 766 00:43:22,629 --> 00:43:24,525 It was a tremendous satisfaction 767 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,974 that we maybe have saved somebody else's life. 768 00:43:28,008 --> 00:43:35,043