1 00:00:04,387 --> 00:00:05,974 ♪ 2 00:00:06,008 --> 00:00:09,698 This is a case of brutal, staggering violence. 3 00:00:09,732 --> 00:00:13,456 ♪ 4 00:00:13,491 --> 00:00:16,939 We're talking about something quite extraordinary 5 00:00:16,974 --> 00:00:19,215 that happened to this family-- 6 00:00:19,249 --> 00:00:23,456 multiple murders, the range, and incomprehensible. 7 00:00:25,111 --> 00:00:28,215 What makes this killer so twisted 8 00:00:28,249 --> 00:00:32,732 is the sick and truly bizarre sexual proclivity 9 00:00:32,767 --> 00:00:35,663 that drove him to kill. 10 00:00:35,698 --> 00:00:39,525 This is the strangest disorder I've ever heard of. 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,249 I've been reporting on criminal cases 12 00:00:41,284 --> 00:00:42,767 for a long time, 13 00:00:42,801 --> 00:00:46,422 and this one is one of the most twisted. 14 00:00:51,008 --> 00:00:56,422 ♪ 15 00:01:01,215 --> 00:01:02,939 Apple Valley is a very beautiful area 16 00:01:02,974 --> 00:01:06,491 in a rural part of Knox County, Ohio. 17 00:01:06,525 --> 00:01:09,077 Very pleasant place, 18 00:01:09,111 --> 00:01:12,043 and not a lot of crime that occurs there. 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,249 This case was really unbelievable to happen 20 00:01:16,284 --> 00:01:19,801 in a--in a community like Apple Valley. 21 00:01:19,836 --> 00:01:22,422 It's something that they would have never anticipated 22 00:01:22,456 --> 00:01:23,939 at all. 23 00:01:32,043 --> 00:01:33,043 Uh-huh. 24 00:01:35,422 --> 00:01:36,456 Uh-huh. 25 00:01:39,732 --> 00:01:40,767 Okay. 26 00:01:49,422 --> 00:01:50,870 Okay. 27 00:01:56,939 --> 00:01:59,525 We get a call from Valerie who is the manager 28 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,801 at the Dairy Queen where Tina worked 29 00:02:01,836 --> 00:02:03,594 and she had become concerned 30 00:02:03,629 --> 00:02:07,353 when Tina didn't show up for her shift. 31 00:02:07,387 --> 00:02:11,146 Valerie told us Tina Herrmann is a single mom. 32 00:02:11,180 --> 00:02:14,456 She has a 13-year-old daughter, Sarah, 33 00:02:14,491 --> 00:02:17,698 and Kody is the 11-year-old son. 34 00:02:17,732 --> 00:02:22,525 She has been living with a boyfriend, Greg Borders. 35 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,077 Her and Greg were getting ready to break up. 36 00:02:26,111 --> 00:02:27,318 When we do have someone that's missing 37 00:02:27,353 --> 00:02:29,318 and the person who is reporting it says 38 00:02:29,353 --> 00:02:31,491 that there is a conflict with an ex 39 00:02:31,525 --> 00:02:35,008 or current relationship, that is a red flag for us. 40 00:02:38,043 --> 00:02:39,387 ♪ 41 00:02:39,422 --> 00:02:40,801 The Knox County Sheriff's Office 42 00:02:40,836 --> 00:02:44,836 did a welfare check around 7:25 p.m. that night. 43 00:02:46,629 --> 00:02:48,249 The deputy had went to the residence 44 00:02:48,284 --> 00:02:49,594 and they knocked on the door 45 00:02:49,629 --> 00:02:53,008 and at that time no one responded. 46 00:02:53,043 --> 00:02:55,422 The deputy didn't see anything out of the ordinary 47 00:02:55,456 --> 00:02:58,594 and then left to go back on his shift. 48 00:03:04,801 --> 00:03:06,560 The next morning we got a report 49 00:03:06,594 --> 00:03:10,353 there's another missing woman. 50 00:03:10,387 --> 00:03:11,698 Ron Metcalf contacted 51 00:03:11,732 --> 00:03:14,353 the sheriff's office on Thursday morning 52 00:03:14,387 --> 00:03:16,836 to make a report that his girlfriend, 53 00:03:16,870 --> 00:03:19,939 Stephanie Sprang was missing. 54 00:03:19,974 --> 00:03:21,456 Ron Metcalf told us 55 00:03:21,491 --> 00:03:26,387 that Stephanie was a close friend of Tina Herrmann's. 56 00:03:26,422 --> 00:03:29,043 One of the pieces of information that Ron gives 57 00:03:29,077 --> 00:03:32,077 is that Stephanie had plans to go with Tina 58 00:03:32,111 --> 00:03:34,560 to search for a new residence for her 59 00:03:34,594 --> 00:03:38,629 and they were planning on doing that on Wednesday afternoon, 60 00:03:38,663 --> 00:03:40,491 Tina was planning on moving out 61 00:03:40,525 --> 00:03:43,215 from her boyfriend Greg's house. 62 00:03:45,387 --> 00:03:49,353 Then it was a matter of, well, now they're both missing. 63 00:03:49,387 --> 00:03:51,008 The next progression in this case 64 00:03:51,043 --> 00:03:56,663 would be to check on Tina's kids, Sarah and Kody. 65 00:03:56,698 --> 00:03:59,008 The sheriff's office made a contact 66 00:03:59,043 --> 00:04:01,318 at the children's school 67 00:04:01,353 --> 00:04:04,905 and determined they were not in school. 68 00:04:04,939 --> 00:04:06,698 They had been dropped off by their bus drivers 69 00:04:06,732 --> 00:04:08,836 at their house the day before. 70 00:04:08,870 --> 00:04:11,767 Once we determined that the children weren't in school 71 00:04:11,801 --> 00:04:14,939 that heightened the--the concern a great deal. 72 00:04:17,318 --> 00:04:20,284 This is very unusual to have 73 00:04:20,318 --> 00:04:23,077 basically a mother, her two children, 74 00:04:23,111 --> 00:04:27,077 and her best friend all go missing at the same time 75 00:04:27,111 --> 00:04:29,974 especially without any word to the wise, to anyone. 76 00:04:30,008 --> 00:04:32,732 So that certainly, you know, 77 00:04:32,767 --> 00:04:35,767 raised the question of what is going on here? 78 00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:42,456 It wasn't long after that that we got another call. 79 00:04:44,594 --> 00:04:45,629 Uh-huh. 80 00:04:47,801 --> 00:04:48,836 Mm-hmm. 81 00:04:57,008 --> 00:05:00,146 The sheriff's office of course responds immediately. 82 00:05:02,836 --> 00:05:06,387 When I arrived at the scene, I walked into the living room 83 00:05:06,422 --> 00:05:10,043 and I noticed that there are multiple bloodstain patterns. 84 00:05:11,353 --> 00:05:14,215 There is the large saturation stain on the floor 85 00:05:14,249 --> 00:05:16,663 just inside the doorway of the living room 86 00:05:16,698 --> 00:05:18,456 where the significant amount of blood 87 00:05:18,491 --> 00:05:21,353 did saturate into the carpet pad. 88 00:05:23,111 --> 00:05:26,732 And then there's a spatter pattern on the wall. 89 00:05:26,767 --> 00:05:29,353 And then you have this drag mark in blood 90 00:05:29,387 --> 00:05:32,629 from that saturation stain down the hallway... 91 00:05:34,905 --> 00:05:37,698 And then we see two other drag marks in blood 92 00:05:37,732 --> 00:05:40,560 that converge in two of the bedrooms. 93 00:05:43,387 --> 00:05:45,767 There was a significant bloodletting event 94 00:05:45,801 --> 00:05:48,698 in each of the back bedrooms. 95 00:05:48,732 --> 00:05:52,215 The saturation stains were probably a foot by a foot 96 00:05:52,249 --> 00:05:55,525 and they soaked into the carpet pad. 97 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,974 There were 98 00:05:58,008 --> 00:05:59,939 the living area, 99 00:05:59,974 --> 00:06:02,767 Sarah's bedroom, 100 00:06:02,801 --> 00:06:05,560 and also Tina's bedroom. 101 00:06:05,594 --> 00:06:07,422 There were either a spatter 102 00:06:07,456 --> 00:06:11,698 or cast off the patterns in each location. 103 00:06:13,249 --> 00:06:14,767 When we look at the spatter pattern 104 00:06:14,801 --> 00:06:16,215 and then the saturation stain, 105 00:06:16,249 --> 00:06:18,767 that indicates someone was assaulted, they fell, 106 00:06:18,801 --> 00:06:22,180 and they bled for a certain amount of time. 107 00:06:22,215 --> 00:06:25,249 But we didn't see any evidence that gunshots had been fired 108 00:06:25,284 --> 00:06:27,525 so we were more leaning towards blunt force trauma 109 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,836 or sharp force trauma. 110 00:06:29,870 --> 00:06:31,111 There was a great deal of concern 111 00:06:31,146 --> 00:06:35,249 that there might be at least three fatalities. 112 00:06:35,284 --> 00:06:37,146 But we don't see any victims. 113 00:06:37,180 --> 00:06:39,698 No bodies. 114 00:06:39,732 --> 00:06:43,836 We found that there were three distinct drag marks in blood 115 00:06:43,870 --> 00:06:46,594 that all converged into the bathroom. 116 00:06:48,387 --> 00:06:49,836 As you enter the bathroom, 117 00:06:49,870 --> 00:06:52,525 your eyes are immediately drawn to the bathtub. 118 00:06:56,525 --> 00:06:59,629 There was a lot of blood in the tub area 119 00:06:59,663 --> 00:07:03,767 and on the floor and around the sink and the toilet. 120 00:07:03,801 --> 00:07:06,594 The shower curtain had a blood mark on it 121 00:07:06,629 --> 00:07:08,008 like a high watermark 122 00:07:08,043 --> 00:07:09,732 that would have suggested that at one point 123 00:07:09,767 --> 00:07:12,905 there was maybe a couple of inches of blood 124 00:07:12,939 --> 00:07:15,905 in the--in the bathtub. 125 00:07:15,939 --> 00:07:18,767 There were spatter patterns, diluted blood, 126 00:07:18,801 --> 00:07:23,180 and also tissue that was intermixed with the spatter. 127 00:07:23,215 --> 00:07:26,387 Something really horrible has happened here, 128 00:07:26,422 --> 00:07:29,801 and all those things tell me that... 129 00:07:29,836 --> 00:07:32,974 victims were dismembered in the bathtub. 130 00:07:36,663 --> 00:07:38,732 In the living room, in the bedroom, 131 00:07:38,767 --> 00:07:40,767 in the children's room-- 132 00:07:40,801 --> 00:07:42,767 there is a saturation of blood 133 00:07:42,801 --> 00:07:47,905 and you see blood splatter and cast off on the walls. 134 00:07:47,939 --> 00:07:51,111 The bathroom-- clearly a slaughter house. 135 00:07:51,146 --> 00:07:54,974 This is personal and the question is why? 136 00:07:55,008 --> 00:07:57,180 This crime scene tells us some information 137 00:07:57,215 --> 00:07:59,767 about the individual who created it. 138 00:07:59,801 --> 00:08:03,732 This person was able to spend an extended period of time 139 00:08:03,767 --> 00:08:06,249 in this household undetected. 140 00:08:06,284 --> 00:08:09,698 This criminal didn't seem to be too concerned 141 00:08:09,732 --> 00:08:11,146 about getting caught. 142 00:08:11,180 --> 00:08:13,353 Seemed to be comfortable inside the house. 143 00:08:13,387 --> 00:08:16,284 This is either someone who lives there 144 00:08:16,318 --> 00:08:19,215 or has been watching the patterns of this family 145 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:21,043 over time. 146 00:08:23,594 --> 00:08:26,077 There are four missing people. 147 00:08:26,111 --> 00:08:30,146 Tina and Stephanie and Kody and Sarah. 148 00:08:30,180 --> 00:08:33,629 My first gut reaction was that everybody is dead. 149 00:08:35,249 --> 00:08:38,180 But we started seeing footwear impressions in the blood. 150 00:08:38,215 --> 00:08:40,077 There was one that was a wavy pattern 151 00:08:40,111 --> 00:08:42,560 and a second one that was some circles 152 00:08:42,594 --> 00:08:43,767 with circles in between 153 00:08:43,801 --> 00:08:46,732 and then lines attaching to those circles 154 00:08:46,767 --> 00:08:50,180 and those told us that two people were walking around 155 00:08:50,215 --> 00:08:52,284 after the blood-shedding event. 156 00:08:52,318 --> 00:08:54,387 It could be two suspects. 157 00:08:56,249 --> 00:08:57,905 One of these footwear impressions, 158 00:08:57,939 --> 00:09:01,077 we could tell the type of shoe and the size. 159 00:09:01,111 --> 00:09:04,249 Airwalk 7 1/2. 160 00:09:04,284 --> 00:09:07,008 Agents went into the closets, started to look around. 161 00:09:09,525 --> 00:09:11,525 And we could actually match it to a box 162 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:15,594 of the same shoes in Sarah's closet. 163 00:09:15,629 --> 00:09:17,939 Sarah's footwear impression indicated 164 00:09:17,974 --> 00:09:20,767 that she could be still alive. 165 00:09:20,801 --> 00:09:23,146 The questions come up. Well, why is this person alive? 166 00:09:23,180 --> 00:09:25,560 You know, are they alive because they've been kidnapped 167 00:09:25,594 --> 00:09:28,146 or are they alive because 168 00:09:28,180 --> 00:09:30,836 God forbid they might be involved? 169 00:09:33,284 --> 00:09:34,939 We found garbage bags 170 00:09:34,974 --> 00:09:38,629 and some tarps in a Walmart bag in Tina's garage. 171 00:09:38,663 --> 00:09:41,353 They could have been left by the offender. 172 00:09:41,387 --> 00:09:44,663 When we go into the basement, what happened, 173 00:09:44,698 --> 00:09:47,111 that will stay with me for the rest of my life. 174 00:09:47,146 --> 00:09:49,077 It's like a horror story, really. 175 00:09:49,111 --> 00:09:51,560 ♪ 176 00:09:56,146 --> 00:09:57,870 At this point in the investigation, 177 00:09:59,284 --> 00:10:02,456 Tina, Stephanie, Kody, and Sarah, 178 00:10:02,491 --> 00:10:04,077 but only three 179 00:10:04,111 --> 00:10:07,146 distinct areas of bloodstain patterns. 180 00:10:09,353 --> 00:10:12,767 The crime scene is indicating that three people have been 181 00:10:12,801 --> 00:10:15,974 brutally murdered and dismembered. 182 00:10:16,008 --> 00:10:18,284 And then footwear impression evidence led us 183 00:10:18,318 --> 00:10:20,767 to the suggestion that Sarah, 184 00:10:20,801 --> 00:10:23,284 the 13-year-old daughter might still be alive. 185 00:10:23,318 --> 00:10:28,698 ♪ 186 00:10:28,732 --> 00:10:31,663 The idea that she might have, you know, been involved 187 00:10:31,698 --> 00:10:35,422 was a very remote possibility in our minds 188 00:10:35,456 --> 00:10:38,629 because the scene was obviously an indication 189 00:10:38,663 --> 00:10:41,180 of extreme violence, and I mean, 190 00:10:41,215 --> 00:10:44,870 we're dealing with a young 13-year-old girl. 191 00:10:44,905 --> 00:10:47,111 We pretty much felt like the greater likelihood 192 00:10:47,146 --> 00:10:49,043 was that Sarah is being held captive 193 00:10:49,077 --> 00:10:51,215 by our potential suspect. 194 00:10:51,249 --> 00:10:54,594 Regardless, time is of the essence. 195 00:10:54,629 --> 00:10:56,318 The longer Sarah is out there, 196 00:10:56,353 --> 00:10:58,146 the longer she's with the offender, 197 00:10:58,180 --> 00:11:00,663 the more dangerous it is for her. 198 00:11:00,698 --> 00:11:02,422 We've got to act quickly. 199 00:11:02,456 --> 00:11:05,456 There was certainly a greater urgency to find Sarah 200 00:11:05,491 --> 00:11:09,353 and to figure out who did this. 201 00:11:09,387 --> 00:11:11,353 We have to continue pushing forward 202 00:11:11,387 --> 00:11:12,732 with processing the crime scene 203 00:11:12,767 --> 00:11:14,663 to see if there are any more leads 204 00:11:14,698 --> 00:11:16,905 that we can derive from it. 205 00:11:16,939 --> 00:11:20,043 ♪ 206 00:11:20,077 --> 00:11:21,318 As you go into the kitchen, 207 00:11:21,353 --> 00:11:22,767 the first thing you see on the ground 208 00:11:22,801 --> 00:11:25,180 are several Kroger grocery bags 209 00:11:25,215 --> 00:11:26,836 that had not been put away. 210 00:11:26,870 --> 00:11:28,836 They also found a receipt in the bag 211 00:11:28,870 --> 00:11:30,974 that showed that the purchases were made 212 00:11:31,008 --> 00:11:35,043 just after 12:00 p.m. on Wednesday. 213 00:11:35,077 --> 00:11:37,870 It would seem to suggest that Tina had been interrupted 214 00:11:37,905 --> 00:11:39,870 after she got home from the grocery store 215 00:11:39,905 --> 00:11:42,422 because that was basically the last kind of reference 216 00:11:42,456 --> 00:11:44,111 they had for what was going on with Tina 217 00:11:44,146 --> 00:11:48,284 before she didn't show up for work at 4:00. 218 00:11:48,318 --> 00:11:50,836 There were no apparent signs of a burglary, 219 00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:54,215 but I noticed that the garage door is off the track, 220 00:11:54,249 --> 00:11:56,939 and to the right side of it is slightly ajar. 221 00:11:59,008 --> 00:12:02,284 We're in the garage. We see the Walmart bag. 222 00:12:02,318 --> 00:12:03,732 I look in bag, I pull it out, 223 00:12:03,767 --> 00:12:07,215 and in the Walmart bag are two heavy-duty tarps 224 00:12:07,249 --> 00:12:10,594 and a package of heavy-duty garbage bags. 225 00:12:10,629 --> 00:12:13,077 There was no receipt in there. 226 00:12:13,111 --> 00:12:14,767 We at that point identified it 227 00:12:14,801 --> 00:12:17,284 as a piece of evidence that we were gonna collect. 228 00:12:20,043 --> 00:12:22,111 Inside that garage, Tina's vehicle, 229 00:12:22,146 --> 00:12:24,836 the Ford F-150 is missing. 230 00:12:24,870 --> 00:12:28,456 There's a possibility that the offender took her vehicle. 231 00:12:28,491 --> 00:12:31,077 Deputies put out an all-points bulletin-- 232 00:12:31,111 --> 00:12:34,180 a notice to any law enforcement officer in the area 233 00:12:34,215 --> 00:12:36,146 that if they come across Tina's vehicle 234 00:12:36,180 --> 00:12:37,801 that they need to stop it 235 00:12:37,836 --> 00:12:40,698 and secure it for crime scene processing. 236 00:12:43,249 --> 00:12:45,284 It was the number of victims and the potential 237 00:12:45,318 --> 00:12:46,767 that there was, you know, 238 00:12:46,801 --> 00:12:50,284 someone to be rescued that really put this into top gear. 239 00:12:50,318 --> 00:12:53,077 For the sake of the family and for the sake of the case, 240 00:12:53,111 --> 00:12:55,456 we've got to figure out where they are. 241 00:12:59,180 --> 00:13:01,387 When I first found out that 242 00:13:01,422 --> 00:13:04,146 Tina and the kids were missing, 243 00:13:04,180 --> 00:13:06,594 it was like utter shock. 244 00:13:08,008 --> 00:13:09,974 Tina, she was a good mom. 245 00:13:10,008 --> 00:13:14,180 She showed her love and she was very protective of both of them 246 00:13:14,215 --> 00:13:16,836 but very strict at the same time. 247 00:13:18,525 --> 00:13:23,111 Sarah, as a bubbly personality, 248 00:13:23,146 --> 00:13:25,111 and then Kody, 249 00:13:25,146 --> 00:13:28,146 this shy little boy that had 250 00:13:28,180 --> 00:13:31,284 the most innocent personality. 251 00:13:34,698 --> 00:13:36,836 Stephanie was so generous. 252 00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:40,387 She didn't have a lot of money at the time. 253 00:13:40,422 --> 00:13:43,560 She was a single mom working three jobs. 254 00:13:43,594 --> 00:13:46,732 Working very hard to take care of her kids. 255 00:13:46,767 --> 00:13:49,525 You just wanna find your friend and save her. 256 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:52,353 You just wanna know where is she. 257 00:13:54,594 --> 00:13:57,456 Of course, you all hope for the best at that time. 258 00:13:57,491 --> 00:14:01,146 You're just wanting answers. 259 00:14:01,180 --> 00:14:06,111 I was so mad and I didn't know who to be mad at. 260 00:14:06,146 --> 00:14:08,456 I wanted my little girl back. 261 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,491 ♪ 262 00:14:15,525 --> 00:14:18,905 While crime scene agents were processing the scene, 263 00:14:18,939 --> 00:14:20,698 we were told that Tina's truck 264 00:14:20,732 --> 00:14:22,836 had been recovered near Kenyon College 265 00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:26,732 by the Knox County Sheriff's Office. 266 00:14:26,767 --> 00:14:29,249 We believe the offender took it from the residents, 267 00:14:29,284 --> 00:14:31,077 and now we have more opportunities 268 00:14:31,111 --> 00:14:35,249 to get fingerprints and DNA from that. 269 00:14:35,284 --> 00:14:37,215 The Knox County Sheriff's Office deputies 270 00:14:37,249 --> 00:14:42,456 do a search of that area looking for the victims. 271 00:14:42,491 --> 00:14:44,318 Despite searching that area very thoroughly, 272 00:14:44,353 --> 00:14:46,249 nothing came of it. 273 00:14:52,111 --> 00:14:54,249 On Friday at 5:30 p.m., 274 00:14:54,284 --> 00:14:56,146 Knox County detectives brought in 275 00:14:56,180 --> 00:14:59,732 Greg Borders, Tina's boyfriend for questioning. 276 00:14:59,767 --> 00:15:02,525 ♪ 277 00:15:06,939 --> 00:15:08,663 We were all just trying to gauge 278 00:15:08,698 --> 00:15:11,801 whether or not as a potential suspect he might be involved. 279 00:15:25,698 --> 00:15:29,491 Greg Borders' story was that on that Wednesday he left 280 00:15:29,525 --> 00:15:31,801 for work early in the morning as he usually does. 281 00:15:37,353 --> 00:15:39,043 He said he spent the whole day at work 282 00:15:39,077 --> 00:15:41,732 and then at the end of the day, he had made previous plans 283 00:15:41,767 --> 00:15:45,180 to spend that Wednesday night at a friend's house. 284 00:15:45,215 --> 00:15:48,180 Got up the next day, went and played golf, 285 00:15:48,215 --> 00:15:51,008 and then drove back home. 286 00:15:51,043 --> 00:15:54,318 So my plan was to hit the road the next morning 287 00:15:54,353 --> 00:15:57,249 and check out those alibis. 288 00:16:00,353 --> 00:16:02,560 ♪ 289 00:16:02,594 --> 00:16:04,594 I basically headed down to his place of work 290 00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:07,491 at the Target distribution center. 291 00:16:07,525 --> 00:16:10,525 They explained to me that it was a very secure facility, 292 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,422 that their employees have to scan in with a card 293 00:16:13,456 --> 00:16:14,594 and they have to scan out 294 00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:16,456 when they leave at the end of the day. 295 00:16:16,491 --> 00:16:18,180 That we thought that the crime had initiated 296 00:16:18,215 --> 00:16:22,525 between the time the Kroger's purchase had taken place 297 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,491 and Tina failed to report for work, 298 00:16:24,525 --> 00:16:29,111 which is roughly 12:00-ish to 4:00 on that Wednesday. 299 00:16:29,146 --> 00:16:30,870 I talked to the supervisors 300 00:16:30,905 --> 00:16:32,249 and he had been at work all day. 301 00:16:32,284 --> 00:16:36,387 He had a rock-solid, you know, alibi. 302 00:16:36,422 --> 00:16:39,525 We had eliminated Greg Borders at that point. 303 00:16:43,525 --> 00:16:46,146 All the other alibis for the other suspects 304 00:16:46,180 --> 00:16:48,456 had all checked out. 305 00:16:48,491 --> 00:16:50,974 At this point, there is the obvious conclusion 306 00:16:51,008 --> 00:16:52,698 that it could be a stranger. 307 00:16:52,732 --> 00:16:55,560 When it's a stranger, we have no place to start. 308 00:16:55,594 --> 00:16:58,387 We have to then rely hopefully on physical evidence 309 00:16:58,422 --> 00:17:01,870 to identify who that person is. 310 00:17:01,905 --> 00:17:03,318 Dan and the other crime scene agents 311 00:17:03,353 --> 00:17:06,249 had raised the question about there being garbage bags 312 00:17:06,284 --> 00:17:10,353 and some tarps in a Walmart bag in Tina's garage. 313 00:17:10,387 --> 00:17:11,698 With a dismemberment, 314 00:17:11,732 --> 00:17:13,077 when the bodies are not at the crime scene, 315 00:17:13,111 --> 00:17:14,387 the offender has to use something 316 00:17:14,422 --> 00:17:18,146 to take the victims out of the crime scene. 317 00:17:18,180 --> 00:17:21,146 We start thinking that possibly this Walmart bag 318 00:17:21,180 --> 00:17:24,284 could have been left by the offender, 319 00:17:24,318 --> 00:17:27,698 but there was no receipt in there. 320 00:17:27,732 --> 00:17:33,146 So I had to ride over to Walmart in Mount Vernon. 321 00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:36,215 We look at all the purchases for two tarps 322 00:17:36,249 --> 00:17:39,525 and a garbage bag from the time the family went missing 323 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,422 until law enforcement showed up that night. 324 00:17:42,456 --> 00:17:45,215 We were basically able to find the transaction 325 00:17:45,249 --> 00:17:47,560 in the computer. 326 00:17:47,594 --> 00:17:50,870 It was just after midnight, Wednesday night into Thursday. 327 00:17:50,905 --> 00:17:53,732 That then gives us the cashier and the aisle 328 00:17:53,767 --> 00:17:56,008 that it was purchased. 329 00:17:56,043 --> 00:17:58,905 And from there, we were able to obtain footage 330 00:17:58,939 --> 00:18:01,905 of the individual who bought those items. 331 00:18:08,284 --> 00:18:10,318 There are four missing people. 332 00:18:10,353 --> 00:18:12,318 We believe the offender has killed three people 333 00:18:12,353 --> 00:18:15,008 and dismembered them. 334 00:18:15,043 --> 00:18:19,491 We hoped that Sarah was still alive so the clock is ticking. 335 00:18:21,939 --> 00:18:23,767 Dan Winterich had raised the question about there 336 00:18:23,801 --> 00:18:25,663 being garbage bags and some tarps 337 00:18:25,698 --> 00:18:29,353 in the garage in a Walmart bag. 338 00:18:29,387 --> 00:18:32,698 We start thinking that possibly this Walmart bag 339 00:18:32,732 --> 00:18:35,663 could have been left by the offender. 340 00:18:35,698 --> 00:18:38,663 Walmart has excellent surveillance cameras. 341 00:18:38,698 --> 00:18:40,836 And we were able to obtain footage of the individual 342 00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:42,629 who bought those items. 343 00:18:42,663 --> 00:18:45,870 ♪ 344 00:18:45,905 --> 00:18:47,077 It was an adult male. 345 00:18:47,111 --> 00:18:49,387 I would say 25 to 40 years of age 346 00:18:49,422 --> 00:18:52,974 and he didn't appear to be in any great hurry. 347 00:18:56,111 --> 00:18:59,905 And not only did he buy the tarps and the garbage bags, 348 00:18:59,939 --> 00:19:02,008 but he also bought a Turkey sandwich 349 00:19:02,043 --> 00:19:03,870 and he also picked a-- 350 00:19:03,905 --> 00:19:06,284 an orange and black camouflage shirt 351 00:19:06,318 --> 00:19:09,387 off of the dollar racks as he went to check out. 352 00:19:09,422 --> 00:19:13,525 ♪ 353 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,318 What investigators noticed when they look at the video 354 00:19:16,353 --> 00:19:22,422 is that this guy is heading right to the aisles 355 00:19:22,456 --> 00:19:24,249 for the items he needs to buy. 356 00:19:24,284 --> 00:19:26,491 So he seems to know this Walmart, 357 00:19:26,525 --> 00:19:29,284 which means he probably lives in the area. 358 00:19:29,318 --> 00:19:32,560 How could someone who just committed such a horrific act 359 00:19:32,594 --> 00:19:34,905 go shopping and seem completely normal 360 00:19:34,939 --> 00:19:37,284 and raise absolutely no red flags? 361 00:19:37,318 --> 00:19:40,284 This is something we see in psychopathic individuals. 362 00:19:40,318 --> 00:19:43,560 They don't have a fight or flight mechanism 363 00:19:43,594 --> 00:19:45,456 the way an average person does. 364 00:19:45,491 --> 00:19:47,491 We can experience an adrenaline rush 365 00:19:47,525 --> 00:19:48,732 or a sense of anxiety 366 00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:52,353 by going on a roller coaster or skydiving. 367 00:19:52,387 --> 00:19:54,905 That bar for a psychopath is much higher 368 00:19:54,939 --> 00:19:57,698 or at times impossible to obtain. 369 00:19:57,732 --> 00:20:01,836 Seeing them act in a manner in which we see on this video, 370 00:20:01,870 --> 00:20:05,215 casual, is not surprising to me. 371 00:20:05,249 --> 00:20:08,353 He's already done what he needed to do. 372 00:20:08,387 --> 00:20:09,939 He's undetected. 373 00:20:09,974 --> 00:20:13,111 It's just a matter of cleanup for him and he'll head back. 374 00:20:13,146 --> 00:20:16,077 ♪ 375 00:20:16,111 --> 00:20:19,905 From the video footage of the individual at Walmart, 376 00:20:19,939 --> 00:20:22,905 we saw after purchasing the items by using cash, 377 00:20:22,939 --> 00:20:27,594 he went out to the parking lot and got into a Toyota Yaris. 378 00:20:27,629 --> 00:20:30,663 We had hoped that a license plate would be visible 379 00:20:30,698 --> 00:20:32,629 on the camera, which it wasn't. 380 00:20:35,974 --> 00:20:38,905 And that's when Agent Dietz decided to search 381 00:20:38,939 --> 00:20:41,077 for all the Toyota Yarises in Knox County 382 00:20:41,111 --> 00:20:42,974 that matched that color. 383 00:20:43,008 --> 00:20:44,077 There were multiple entries, 384 00:20:44,111 --> 00:20:45,525 but at the bottom of the first page 385 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,422 was someone who looked just like our guy in the video. 386 00:20:50,456 --> 00:20:52,629 Not only did he look just like him, 387 00:20:52,663 --> 00:20:55,008 but he was wearing the same shirt 388 00:20:55,043 --> 00:20:58,663 he had on at Walmart in the driver's license photo. 389 00:20:58,698 --> 00:21:02,594 His name was Matthew Hoffman. 390 00:21:02,629 --> 00:21:06,456 The address associated with that was on Apple Valley Drive 391 00:21:06,491 --> 00:21:09,146 which is only 4/10 of a mile from the crime scene. 392 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:11,215 He was run through the various police databases 393 00:21:11,249 --> 00:21:12,732 and he did show a criminal history 394 00:21:12,767 --> 00:21:14,560 for burglary in Colorado. 395 00:21:16,146 --> 00:21:19,353 His method of operation was he liked to go into houses 396 00:21:19,387 --> 00:21:20,663 and steal things 397 00:21:20,698 --> 00:21:21,939 and then leave without the person 398 00:21:21,974 --> 00:21:23,698 ever knowing he was in the house. 399 00:21:26,801 --> 00:21:29,663 We all felt our first real jolt 400 00:21:29,698 --> 00:21:34,077 of "this must be the guy." 401 00:21:34,111 --> 00:21:35,974 There was certainly a greater urgency. 402 00:21:36,008 --> 00:21:38,594 We don't know if Sarah has been abducted. 403 00:21:38,629 --> 00:21:42,284 If she is alive, how long she was gonna be alive? 404 00:21:42,318 --> 00:21:44,974 So it was that point that we wanna get a search warrant 405 00:21:45,008 --> 00:21:47,422 in Matthew Hoffman's house. 406 00:21:47,456 --> 00:21:49,422 It wasn't going to be a knock on the door. 407 00:21:49,456 --> 00:21:51,974 Would you let us in? We have a search warrant. 408 00:21:52,008 --> 00:21:55,629 It was gonna be a no-knock search warrant. 409 00:21:55,663 --> 00:21:57,594 And we were going to do a joint venture 410 00:21:57,629 --> 00:21:59,111 with the sheriff's office 411 00:21:59,146 --> 00:22:02,043 on the possible apprehension of Matt Hoffman 412 00:22:02,077 --> 00:22:04,456 and hopefully the rescue of Sarah Maynard. 413 00:22:07,491 --> 00:22:09,905 ♪ 414 00:22:09,939 --> 00:22:14,387 When we approached the house, it was just after daybreak. 415 00:22:14,422 --> 00:22:20,284 ♪ 416 00:22:20,318 --> 00:22:22,905 Get a couple of deep breaths... 417 00:22:24,215 --> 00:22:26,629 That door flies open and the flashbang goes in. 418 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,422 I entered that residence with my partner behind me 419 00:22:36,456 --> 00:22:40,525 and we encountered Mr. Hoffman. 420 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,836 I observed what appeared to be a weapon within reach. 421 00:22:43,870 --> 00:22:46,491 We pulled him off the couch. He didn't wanna comply. 422 00:22:48,663 --> 00:22:50,180 He realized I was not playing 423 00:22:50,215 --> 00:22:52,111 and he put his hands behind his back. 424 00:22:52,146 --> 00:22:55,180 He was handcuffed and he was escorted out the door. 425 00:23:01,422 --> 00:23:03,629 ♪ 426 00:23:03,663 --> 00:23:08,629 I observed a very large pile of leaves in the family room. 427 00:23:08,663 --> 00:23:11,077 Found that very odd. 428 00:23:11,111 --> 00:23:12,629 I felt it was deep enough 429 00:23:12,663 --> 00:23:16,180 that there could be bodies underneath these leaves 430 00:23:16,215 --> 00:23:19,456 whether they're alive or not. 431 00:23:19,491 --> 00:23:21,491 So without disrupting evidence, 432 00:23:21,525 --> 00:23:24,215 I used the stick to hit the floor. 433 00:23:26,215 --> 00:23:27,525 "It's the police. 434 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,767 If you can hear me, please move around." 435 00:23:33,318 --> 00:23:36,043 But there was nothing but a pile of leaves. 436 00:23:39,974 --> 00:23:42,215 The upstairs team lets us know that that's clear. 437 00:23:42,249 --> 00:23:46,663 We let them know downstairs is clear. 438 00:23:46,698 --> 00:23:50,801 The one room to the left was where this basement door was. 439 00:23:50,836 --> 00:23:54,249 ♪ 440 00:23:54,284 --> 00:23:56,594 Made our way down the steps. 441 00:23:56,629 --> 00:23:59,732 When we go into the basement, what happened-- 442 00:23:59,767 --> 00:24:03,077 that will stay with me for the rest of my life. 443 00:24:10,353 --> 00:24:12,180 We hit Matthew Hoffman's house 444 00:24:12,215 --> 00:24:14,215 with the SWAT team. 445 00:24:14,249 --> 00:24:18,353 ♪ 446 00:24:18,387 --> 00:24:21,525 Four of us make our way into the basement. 447 00:24:24,318 --> 00:24:25,525 ♪ 448 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,974 We find a terrified, exhausted little girl 449 00:24:28,008 --> 00:24:29,836 tied up on a bed of leaves. 450 00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:34,318 ♪ 451 00:24:34,353 --> 00:24:36,491 I was laying down there 452 00:24:36,525 --> 00:24:40,077 and I heard this really, really loud noise. 453 00:24:42,318 --> 00:24:45,732 And I was like, literally scared to death. 454 00:24:45,767 --> 00:24:48,180 My first thought was somebody is coming downstairs, 455 00:24:48,215 --> 00:24:50,836 you know, to get me again. 456 00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:53,905 And they shine the lights on me and they said, 457 00:24:53,939 --> 00:24:55,939 "Are you Sarah Maynard?" 458 00:24:55,974 --> 00:25:01,008 And, um, I said, "Yes." 459 00:25:02,146 --> 00:25:05,491 They said, "We're not here to hurt you. 460 00:25:05,525 --> 00:25:07,801 We're here to save you." 461 00:25:09,422 --> 00:25:12,249 I don't think there was a dry eye in the house. 462 00:25:12,284 --> 00:25:16,146 We knew that we just saved this little girl's life. 463 00:25:17,939 --> 00:25:21,836 It was really one of the greatest momentary feelings 464 00:25:21,870 --> 00:25:25,422 of relief and victory that I've had in my, you know, 465 00:25:25,456 --> 00:25:27,594 40 years in law enforcement. 466 00:25:29,387 --> 00:25:33,939 When I stepped out of the basement into the real world, 467 00:25:33,974 --> 00:25:35,939 I felt so free. 468 00:25:35,974 --> 00:25:39,456 You know, not have to worry about 469 00:25:39,491 --> 00:25:42,077 if it's gonna be death tomorrow. 470 00:25:42,111 --> 00:25:47,905 ♪ 471 00:25:47,939 --> 00:25:49,353 After Sarah was rescued 472 00:25:49,387 --> 00:25:52,422 and Hoffman was placed into custody, 473 00:25:52,456 --> 00:25:56,560 our objective was to process that crime scene. 474 00:25:56,594 --> 00:25:59,870 In addition to finding Sarah in the basement, 475 00:25:59,905 --> 00:26:02,422 we also recovered a blackjack, 476 00:26:02,456 --> 00:26:03,939 which is a blunt force weapon 477 00:26:03,974 --> 00:26:06,732 that can be used to incapacitate people. 478 00:26:06,767 --> 00:26:09,836 In the same drawer was a pretty heavy-duty knife. 479 00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:11,491 It's potentially the murder weapon 480 00:26:11,525 --> 00:26:15,560 and certainly capable of dismembering a body. 481 00:26:15,594 --> 00:26:17,594 There was a large pile of leaves 482 00:26:17,629 --> 00:26:19,353 as I walked into the living room, 483 00:26:19,387 --> 00:26:24,491 which is something that was really kinda shocked me. 484 00:26:24,525 --> 00:26:27,111 And then there were more leaves that were found in bags 485 00:26:27,146 --> 00:26:28,422 stapled against the wall, 486 00:26:28,456 --> 00:26:31,560 in the bathroom, in an upstairs bedroom, 487 00:26:31,594 --> 00:26:36,146 and also in the basement where Sarah was being held. 488 00:26:36,180 --> 00:26:38,560 I just didn't understand the significance of it 489 00:26:38,594 --> 00:26:42,043 and had never really seen anything that unusual. 490 00:26:45,318 --> 00:26:48,456 Leaves scattered throughout the living room. 491 00:26:48,491 --> 00:26:51,870 Bags of leaves lining the walls. 492 00:26:51,905 --> 00:26:54,353 Has he used these bags 493 00:26:54,387 --> 00:26:57,905 to muffle the sounds of Sarah 494 00:26:57,939 --> 00:27:01,905 in the dungeon of his home 495 00:27:01,939 --> 00:27:03,767 so that she cannot be heard? 496 00:27:03,801 --> 00:27:05,939 What is the rationale? 497 00:27:05,974 --> 00:27:07,801 Maybe he really is a psycho 498 00:27:07,836 --> 00:27:10,560 and he has this fetish for leaves. 499 00:27:10,594 --> 00:27:12,663 And the idea that he's put Sarah 500 00:27:12,698 --> 00:27:17,180 whose life he has spared on a bed of leaves 501 00:27:17,215 --> 00:27:20,767 is to him a kind gesture. 502 00:27:20,801 --> 00:27:23,422 This would not be the first individual 503 00:27:23,456 --> 00:27:27,560 who had a sexual attraction or affiliation to trees. 504 00:27:27,594 --> 00:27:29,594 In fact, there's an actual term for it. 505 00:27:29,629 --> 00:27:32,525 It's called dendrophilia and it describes individuals 506 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,801 who have a sexual attraction 507 00:27:34,836 --> 00:27:38,767 and a particular level of comfort with trees, 508 00:27:38,801 --> 00:27:42,043 and he seems to fit that profile. 509 00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:50,594 I went and accompanied Sarah to the hospital. 510 00:27:50,629 --> 00:27:53,111 She was remarkably composed. 511 00:27:53,146 --> 00:27:57,284 She was able to talk and tell the story of what happened. 512 00:28:00,318 --> 00:28:02,456 On November 10, 2010, 513 00:28:02,491 --> 00:28:06,491 Kody and I do our 514 00:28:06,525 --> 00:28:09,801 say bye to mom, give her a hug and kiss, 515 00:28:09,836 --> 00:28:12,870 and then tell her that we loved her. 516 00:28:16,249 --> 00:28:17,905 ♪ 517 00:28:17,939 --> 00:28:22,767 We got home and Kody and I open up the door 518 00:28:22,801 --> 00:28:26,111 to go into the house. 519 00:28:26,146 --> 00:28:28,525 I shut the front door. 520 00:28:30,146 --> 00:28:32,939 And when I looked down to take off my shoes, 521 00:28:32,974 --> 00:28:34,560 I see blood. 522 00:28:34,594 --> 00:28:37,594 ♪ 523 00:28:37,629 --> 00:28:41,215 And then I started yelling for mom. 524 00:28:41,249 --> 00:28:44,008 No answer. Mom didn't reply. 525 00:28:44,043 --> 00:28:47,284 ♪ 526 00:28:47,318 --> 00:28:52,560 And then a guy ran out from the hallway 527 00:28:52,594 --> 00:28:58,318 and I proceeded to run into my room. 528 00:28:58,353 --> 00:29:01,732 And then I hear Kody yelling and screaming, 529 00:29:01,767 --> 00:29:06,111 and I don't know why I didn't turn back, 530 00:29:06,146 --> 00:29:08,767 but I think I was too scared. 531 00:29:11,353 --> 00:29:12,767 I'm looking around. 532 00:29:12,801 --> 00:29:16,905 I'm seeing blood that was all over the walls. 533 00:29:16,939 --> 00:29:18,732 And then all of a sudden, 534 00:29:18,767 --> 00:29:21,043 this guy busts through the door. 535 00:29:24,008 --> 00:29:26,077 He had the knife out, 536 00:29:26,111 --> 00:29:27,974 and he put the knife to my chest 537 00:29:28,008 --> 00:29:30,043 and it had blood on it. 538 00:29:32,422 --> 00:29:35,077 He then tied my hands. 539 00:29:37,077 --> 00:29:40,077 He then blindfolded me. 540 00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:42,629 He told me that if I start screaming, 541 00:29:42,663 --> 00:29:45,043 that he was going to kill me. 542 00:29:49,456 --> 00:29:52,939 Eventually, he puts me over his shoulder. 543 00:29:52,974 --> 00:29:55,698 He lays me in a vehicle. 544 00:29:55,732 --> 00:29:58,801 So I'm super scared 545 00:29:58,836 --> 00:30:03,974 and it felt he was driving very fast and crazy. 546 00:30:04,008 --> 00:30:05,870 Eventually, the vehicle stopped. 547 00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:08,732 He unblindfolded me. 548 00:30:08,767 --> 00:30:11,043 I was in a house at this point. 549 00:30:11,077 --> 00:30:13,870 He opened up the door to the basement 550 00:30:13,905 --> 00:30:17,629 and he literally pushed me all the way down the stairs. 551 00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:23,043 And I'm looking around and it's completely, like, 552 00:30:23,077 --> 00:30:26,870 scaring the crap out of me even more now. 553 00:30:26,905 --> 00:30:30,043 There was leaves everywhere. 554 00:30:30,077 --> 00:30:35,663 ♪ 555 00:30:35,698 --> 00:30:38,146 I think it was the second or third day. 556 00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:40,249 ♪ 557 00:30:40,284 --> 00:30:44,043 He sexually assaulted me, um, 558 00:30:44,077 --> 00:30:47,215 and when he did so, 559 00:30:47,249 --> 00:30:49,836 he had laid the knife on top of me. 560 00:30:49,870 --> 00:30:56,905 ♪ 561 00:30:58,629 --> 00:31:01,043 During those four days while I was down there, 562 00:31:01,077 --> 00:31:04,422 it was complete darkness. 563 00:31:04,456 --> 00:31:07,594 So I was just mentally tired 564 00:31:07,629 --> 00:31:11,387 and so extremely worried. 565 00:31:11,422 --> 00:31:14,008 I asked where my mom and brother are 566 00:31:14,043 --> 00:31:16,594 and he said that if I brought it up again 567 00:31:16,629 --> 00:31:19,387 that he was gonna kill me. 568 00:31:19,422 --> 00:31:22,663 I knew that something serious 569 00:31:22,698 --> 00:31:26,422 had happened to my mom and then Kody. 570 00:31:26,456 --> 00:31:27,870 And I'm trying to have the hope 571 00:31:27,905 --> 00:31:32,215 that my mom's okay and Kody is okay. 572 00:31:32,249 --> 00:31:36,491 As excited and thrilled as we were to--to have rescued Sarah, 573 00:31:36,525 --> 00:31:38,663 it was tempered by the fact that the other three 574 00:31:38,698 --> 00:31:44,180 were not able to be rescued because they were in fact dead. 575 00:31:44,215 --> 00:31:47,043 We're still missing Tina, Stephanie, and Kody. 576 00:31:47,077 --> 00:31:48,836 We don't know where the remains are, 577 00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:51,560 and there's only one person who knows where they are 578 00:31:51,594 --> 00:31:53,870 and he's not talking. 579 00:32:00,077 --> 00:32:02,560 ♪ 580 00:32:02,594 --> 00:32:04,008 Sarah was recovered. 581 00:32:04,043 --> 00:32:07,146 She was harmed, but she was alive. 582 00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:09,698 Matthew Hoffman had been taken into custody 583 00:32:09,732 --> 00:32:11,732 and was taken back to the sheriff's office. 584 00:32:16,801 --> 00:32:19,560 Of course, that was some sense of relief that, okay, 585 00:32:19,594 --> 00:32:21,077 we have the guy we're looking for 586 00:32:21,111 --> 00:32:24,249 and he's not able to do something else, 587 00:32:24,284 --> 00:32:26,974 but where are the other victims? 588 00:32:27,008 --> 00:32:29,560 We knew that by having him we had the best chance 589 00:32:29,594 --> 00:32:32,939 to find out hopefully what happened to the rest. 590 00:32:57,111 --> 00:32:58,560 They've been, you know, laboring at it 591 00:32:58,594 --> 00:33:00,318 for several hours with nothing. 592 00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:03,008 So I asked if I could take a shot. 593 00:33:05,111 --> 00:33:06,594 Hi, Matt. 594 00:33:06,629 --> 00:33:08,939 We have to try to get him to talk to us 595 00:33:08,974 --> 00:33:11,146 before he asks for an attorney. 596 00:33:30,111 --> 00:33:32,801 When you have a suspect 597 00:33:32,836 --> 00:33:35,077 who does not talk, 598 00:33:35,111 --> 00:33:39,353 it is the absolute worst nightmare 599 00:33:39,387 --> 00:33:41,422 for any investigator. 600 00:33:41,456 --> 00:33:46,525 Authorities suspect he may be catatonic. 601 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,008 The likelihood of this is essentially zero. 602 00:33:49,043 --> 00:33:53,594 You cannot be a psychopath and go into catatonia. 603 00:33:53,629 --> 00:33:56,767 Catatonia is an anxiety response. 604 00:33:56,801 --> 00:34:00,180 It's a reaction that significantly depressed 605 00:34:00,215 --> 00:34:03,836 or psychotic, schizophrenic individuals go into. 606 00:34:03,870 --> 00:34:06,180 Psychopaths, for the most part, 607 00:34:06,215 --> 00:34:09,146 are essentially unable of experiencing anxiety. 608 00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:11,905 And so the only alternative is that he's using this 609 00:34:11,939 --> 00:34:14,284 as a strategy to not speak to the authorities 610 00:34:14,318 --> 00:34:16,077 and is putting on a show. 611 00:34:16,111 --> 00:34:19,560 In the state of Ohio, there was a death penalty 612 00:34:19,594 --> 00:34:22,767 and prosecutors would seek it in a case like this. 613 00:34:22,801 --> 00:34:26,008 So there is some leverage to use against Hoffman 614 00:34:26,043 --> 00:34:28,560 in trying to get him to cooperate. 615 00:34:28,594 --> 00:34:32,077 Maybe take death off the table. Tell us where the bodies are. 616 00:34:32,111 --> 00:34:34,732 Then it would give the family some closure. 617 00:34:34,767 --> 00:34:37,663 He could save his own life, 618 00:34:37,698 --> 00:34:41,043 and let the families bury their loved ones. 619 00:34:46,422 --> 00:34:50,629 The consensus was that recovering their family members 620 00:34:50,663 --> 00:34:52,801 and getting Hoffman put in prison for the rest of his life 621 00:34:52,836 --> 00:34:56,353 was more important than the death penalty. 622 00:34:56,387 --> 00:34:58,801 Part of the deal that the prosecutor 623 00:34:58,836 --> 00:35:03,387 put into the agreement was that he would give a full confession 624 00:35:03,422 --> 00:35:06,698 and he agreed to the deal. 625 00:35:06,732 --> 00:35:09,525 So Hoffman told his attorneys and he claimed that it was 626 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,801 a burglary that, you know, went wrong. 627 00:35:12,836 --> 00:35:15,767 ♪ 628 00:35:15,801 --> 00:35:17,974 One of the reasons he identified that house 629 00:35:18,008 --> 00:35:19,698 was because it was isolated 630 00:35:19,732 --> 00:35:22,663 and didn't have any close neighbors. 631 00:35:22,698 --> 00:35:24,456 Matthew Hoffman explained to us. 632 00:35:24,491 --> 00:35:26,905 He camped out across the street in the woods 633 00:35:26,939 --> 00:35:29,353 to watch the house. 634 00:35:29,387 --> 00:35:32,077 He waited till Tina left in the truck. 635 00:35:32,111 --> 00:35:35,353 And then he crawled under the garage door which was ajar. 636 00:35:38,111 --> 00:35:41,905 He felt comfortable with spending some time there. 637 00:35:41,939 --> 00:35:44,387 Maybe an hour or so later, 638 00:35:44,422 --> 00:35:48,698 Tina had got home from the grocery store 639 00:35:48,732 --> 00:35:52,525 and that's when Matthew Hoffman confronted her. 640 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,077 He struck her several times in the head, 641 00:35:54,111 --> 00:35:57,353 but she would not go unconscious. 642 00:36:00,663 --> 00:36:02,594 At the same time, Stephanie had plans 643 00:36:02,629 --> 00:36:04,801 that afternoon to go with Tina 644 00:36:04,836 --> 00:36:09,353 to search for a new residence for her--an apartment. 645 00:36:09,387 --> 00:36:13,353 Stephanie shows up at the house 646 00:36:13,387 --> 00:36:15,284 when he was confronted by two people. 647 00:36:15,318 --> 00:36:17,870 He panicked. 648 00:36:17,905 --> 00:36:20,560 And he grabbed his knife and stabbed Tina 649 00:36:20,594 --> 00:36:24,387 who was on the bed... 650 00:36:24,422 --> 00:36:26,594 and then chased after Stephanie 651 00:36:26,629 --> 00:36:29,663 who went into Sarah's room, stabbed her. 652 00:36:31,732 --> 00:36:34,215 Matthew then dragged Tina and Stephanie 653 00:36:34,249 --> 00:36:37,077 down the hall into the bathroom. 654 00:36:37,111 --> 00:36:39,146 And then he dismembered their bodies... 655 00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:41,008 With his knife in the bathtub. 656 00:36:44,249 --> 00:36:47,663 And then a couple hours later... 657 00:36:49,870 --> 00:36:54,353 The children come home before he can finish what he's doing. 658 00:36:56,111 --> 00:36:59,698 He told us that he had stabbed Kody, 659 00:36:59,732 --> 00:37:04,180 but Sarah ran down the hall to her room 660 00:37:04,215 --> 00:37:08,525 and Hoffman said he gagged her and tied her up. 661 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,939 And then Kody was dismembered. 662 00:37:10,974 --> 00:37:15,939 ♪ 663 00:37:15,974 --> 00:37:19,560 So he went and bought bags and tarps at Walmart. 664 00:37:19,594 --> 00:37:22,387 He was using those to transport the body parts 665 00:37:22,422 --> 00:37:25,318 out of the bathroom into the vehicle. 666 00:37:25,353 --> 00:37:28,801 And then drove off to the house with Sarah. 667 00:37:30,836 --> 00:37:35,560 He stated that he then disposed of the bodies 668 00:37:35,594 --> 00:37:40,146 and then left Tina's truck near Kenyon College. 669 00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:43,491 He described himself as having become a monster. 670 00:37:46,663 --> 00:37:52,180 The location of those bodies was the last card to be played. 671 00:37:52,215 --> 00:37:55,111 And that's when Hoffman tells us the remains 672 00:37:55,146 --> 00:37:56,974 are in a hollow tree. 673 00:38:02,974 --> 00:38:06,698 We're all motivated in wanting to find Tina, 674 00:38:06,732 --> 00:38:09,077 Stephanie, and Kody. 675 00:38:09,111 --> 00:38:10,905 Matthew Hoffman had given this information 676 00:38:10,939 --> 00:38:14,008 about where the bodies were. 677 00:38:14,043 --> 00:38:16,146 He decided I'm putting them in the hollow tree... 678 00:38:17,767 --> 00:38:21,974 The Kokosing Wildlife Refuge area. 679 00:38:22,008 --> 00:38:24,146 It's a wildlife area, 680 00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:27,180 heavily wooded, very remote. 681 00:38:27,215 --> 00:38:28,870 It's just not a place 682 00:38:28,905 --> 00:38:31,939 that it was likely we would ever find anybody. 683 00:38:33,732 --> 00:38:35,560 So we drove out to that area 684 00:38:35,594 --> 00:38:37,767 following the directions that he had given to us. 685 00:38:37,801 --> 00:38:40,870 We were not going to let him go out there. 686 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,801 We walked into the woods and it was a huge tree, 687 00:38:45,836 --> 00:38:50,594 but there was a knothole about 7-8 feet off the ground 688 00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:53,422 that looked like it might give us a look inside. 689 00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:58,732 And I climbed up and I could see black garbage bags. 690 00:39:01,043 --> 00:39:04,318 And then we decided we needed a tree surgeon to come out 691 00:39:04,353 --> 00:39:05,974 and they basically started the knothole 692 00:39:06,008 --> 00:39:10,870 and cut squares going down the tree. 693 00:39:10,905 --> 00:39:14,387 It was basically lift-- just lifting heavy bags 694 00:39:14,422 --> 00:39:17,525 out of the tree and down a ladder onto the ground. 695 00:39:21,077 --> 00:39:24,422 The challenging part was... 696 00:39:24,456 --> 00:39:26,801 looking at the bags, and--you know. 697 00:39:26,836 --> 00:39:29,663 ♪ 698 00:39:29,698 --> 00:39:34,698 The final confirmation that they were in fact deceased. 699 00:39:39,008 --> 00:39:41,180 The bizarre part of this whole thing-- 700 00:39:41,215 --> 00:39:42,974 Matthew Hoffman wanted pictures to show 701 00:39:43,008 --> 00:39:45,732 that we had not destroyed the tree. 702 00:39:45,767 --> 00:39:48,629 He killed three people and kidnapped a fourth, 703 00:39:48,663 --> 00:39:50,939 and he was worried about the tree. 704 00:39:54,387 --> 00:39:56,870 This tree represented 705 00:39:56,905 --> 00:39:59,663 his sacred burial ground, 706 00:39:59,698 --> 00:40:02,146 the place that he had a connection with. 707 00:40:02,180 --> 00:40:05,215 When putting the bodies in this tree, 708 00:40:05,249 --> 00:40:09,077 in his mind he's likely created sort of the ultimate shrine, 709 00:40:09,111 --> 00:40:11,525 the ultimate place he can go back and visit 710 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,491 which killers often do. 711 00:40:13,525 --> 00:40:16,077 Who would have ever thought about a tree 712 00:40:16,111 --> 00:40:20,974 and then the inside of his home is like a tree, right? 713 00:40:21,008 --> 00:40:22,767 It's full of leaves. 714 00:40:22,801 --> 00:40:24,663 And he kidnapped a 13-year-old girl 715 00:40:24,698 --> 00:40:27,043 and sexually assaults her on a bed of leaves. 716 00:40:27,077 --> 00:40:31,043 I mean, I've never seen a factual scenario like this 717 00:40:31,077 --> 00:40:33,698 and probably never will again. 718 00:40:38,043 --> 00:40:44,043 ♪ 719 00:40:44,077 --> 00:40:46,284 I was laying in the bed at the hospital. 720 00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:49,008 I looked up and I see it on the news. 721 00:40:49,043 --> 00:40:51,387 Authorities in a small Ohio town say two women 722 00:40:51,422 --> 00:40:53,801 and an 11-year-old boy were stabbed to death 723 00:40:53,836 --> 00:40:55,905 and dismembered before their remains 724 00:40:55,939 --> 00:40:58,353 were put inside a tree. 725 00:40:58,387 --> 00:41:01,180 I kept thinking to myself and telling myself 726 00:41:01,215 --> 00:41:04,560 that it wasn't real because of the details were so gruesome. 727 00:41:04,594 --> 00:41:06,111 I just seriously couldn't believe 728 00:41:06,146 --> 00:41:07,836 that somebody could ever even 729 00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:10,249 do such a thing to a human being. 730 00:41:12,974 --> 00:41:15,594 I don't understand how you could have 731 00:41:15,629 --> 00:41:19,146 a normal loving family... 732 00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:22,491 ♪ 733 00:41:22,525 --> 00:41:25,594 And then... 734 00:41:25,629 --> 00:41:28,836 one day, it's gone in a split of a second. 735 00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:32,594 ♪ 736 00:41:32,629 --> 00:41:36,663 I think that on that day, honestly... 737 00:41:40,353 --> 00:41:42,456 There was... 738 00:41:42,491 --> 00:41:48,560 ♪ 739 00:41:48,594 --> 00:41:51,456 There wasn't anything I could have done. 740 00:41:57,974 --> 00:42:00,491 ♪ 741 00:42:00,525 --> 00:42:03,456 Hoffman admitted to killing the three people he killed, 742 00:42:03,491 --> 00:42:05,698 admitting to the gross abuse of corpse, 743 00:42:05,732 --> 00:42:08,491 charges for dismembering their bodies. 744 00:42:08,525 --> 00:42:12,077 Admitted to kidnapping and raping Sarah Maynard. 745 00:42:12,111 --> 00:42:14,525 So there's not gonna be a trial, 746 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,387 but it all came down to life in prison without parole. 747 00:42:18,422 --> 00:42:20,767 Never ever getting out of prison. 748 00:42:20,801 --> 00:42:24,732 ♪ 749 00:42:28,456 --> 00:42:30,629 I don't believe she's dead. She's, like... 750 00:42:31,732 --> 00:42:34,353 Gone away for a long visit in my head. 751 00:42:34,387 --> 00:42:36,284 If I don't see her anywhere else, 752 00:42:36,318 --> 00:42:38,215 I'll see her in heaven. 753 00:42:38,249 --> 00:42:41,387 ♪ 754 00:42:41,422 --> 00:42:44,629 When things get hard, 755 00:42:44,663 --> 00:42:46,767 um, 756 00:42:46,801 --> 00:42:49,077 I just picture them standing there 757 00:42:49,111 --> 00:42:53,767 telling me that everything is gonna be okay. 758 00:42:53,801 --> 00:42:57,836 I wanted to tell my mom, you know, thank her 759 00:42:57,870 --> 00:43:01,422 for how she made me become 760 00:43:01,456 --> 00:43:06,180 a strong-willed little girl 761 00:43:06,215 --> 00:43:08,594 and a strong-willed woman. 762 00:43:08,629 --> 00:43:11,180 She would be happy that 763 00:43:11,215 --> 00:43:14,077 I'm... 764 00:43:14,111 --> 00:43:18,560 I'm carrying her memory on with me forever. 765 00:43:18,594 --> 00:43:25,629 ♪