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- Last time on "Teen Mom Family Reunion: Aftermath"...
- It was crazy. I had to sweep the whole house.
I'm like, what the [bleep]? - I come in there.
He's like, are you guys all animals?
[laughter]
- Well, we were together when he committed suicide.
I mean, it really took it out of me, you know?
I was 20 or 21.
- Are you gonna say excuse me?
- That looked like a bump to me.
- Bumped or not, you don't spit.
- I'm not doing this. I'm not feeding this bitch.
- Hey, me and my mom are gonna leave.
- Ryan, what is your vision
for a healthy co-parenting relationship with Maci?
- I'd just like to be able to see him, really.
Hell, I just miss him.
- ♪ We run together ♪
♪ They're my family ♪
- Do you believe you're in a place to commit
to being more consistent?
- Yeah, if I don't have to deal with everything else
that I've had to in the past.
- What's the everything else?
- Just everyone else in the way.
- OK.
Maci, what was going on with you
when you were hearing all of that?
- I just looked at him, and I could see the pain.
And honestly, I felt like I was staring at Bentley.
I feel-- it's obviously bittersweet.
But I really appreciate the vulnerability,
and the ownership,
and where he maybe kind of came up short
or something that he could have done differently.
And then everything he was committing to
just felt like, little by little, a breath of fresh air
because it would absolutely make
Bentley's heart so whole
because, Ryan, there's a part of Bentley that is hurting.
But he loves you so much.
And there is only one person that can help that hurt.
And it's you.
He wants a relationship with you more than anything else.
- Ryan, can you commit to be consistent?
- I mean, I don't--
hell, I don't even know what he's got going on anymore.
I don't think Bentley and I even have
a real relationship anymore.
But, I mean, if it's picking him up
at a certain time or whatever.
- Can you commit to FaceTiming him once a week
just to check in and say, "Hey, bud"?
- Yeah, if he wants that. - Mm-hmm.
Well, you're his daddy. He wants it all.
He wants all the smoke, trust me.
He wants all the smoke.
[laughs] OK?
Maci, what do you think you can do to help
this co-parenting relationship become healthy?
- I think, obviously, one of them is making sure that
I'm keeping Ryan all the way in the loop
as it pertains to anything Bentley has going on
so that he has the option to support him and be there.
And I think, just from our previous attempts
at co-parenting, one of the things
that really always kind of ended it
before it could really start was,
we had trouble communicating with each other respectfully.
- No, I agree.
I mean, I've said some things that were hateful.
- Yeah, did you want to apologize
about the things that were hateful?
You don't have to name them.
- Well, yeah, for sure,
because I wasn't appreciating it, you know.
So yes, I'm sorry for that.
- Thank you.
I've said many things to you that were hurtful,
and disrespectful, and just with blatant lack
of regard for your feelings.
And I also want to apologize for not putting in more
of an effort to understand the battles you were fighting
and the struggles you were going through.
- That's so good.
- I should have treated you more like a human being.
And if I could go back and do it different,
I definitely would.
But I'm gonna do it different moving forward.
And I'm sorry.
There is one thing.
- Wait, so I'm gonna-- is it OK if I'm gonna
come back over here?
- Yeah. - OK?
Because I think this was so good.
Anything that we left out?
- Well, one thing I was thinking--
I would like to try our best
to do this co-parenting
just between the two of us and then,
as we feel comfortable or confident
in bringing others into it, if that's OK.
- Yeah.
- I'm so proud of you both.
I'm so, so, so, so proud of you both.
Thank you. - Thank you.
- Yeah, well, let's bring Jen back out here.
[applause]
[soft music]
- Look at that smile.
- Oh.
♪ ♪
- Yeah, yeah. - Mm.
- I love you.
- I can't with this.
♪ ♪
Oh, man.
This is emotional.
How did you feel watching Ryan open up the way he did?
- I'm very happy that he did because he's not one
to show a lot of emotion.
I'm very, very proud of him.
- Me too.
- He has the best heart.
He has a heart like Bentley.
He just doesn't always show it.
- You've been the co-parent grandma bear the whole time.
- Mm-hmm.
- What do you think could be added?
- I would love to step back,
and I would love for the two of them to talk
and work things out co-parenting.
I know Ryan needs that.
He needs to feel like he is special in Bentley's life
as his dad.
- Yeah.
- I mean, I'd just like to spend time with him one on one
without having to go to Mom's house.
- Bentley would love that
and being able to do stuff just you and him.
- Jen, did you think we would ever see this day?
- Oh, I knew it was possible.
I just didn't know when.
- I'm so happy for everyone right now.
Coach B, thank you for helping them get to a place
that they wanted to get to.
- Yeah. - Amazing.
It's Ashley's turn on the couch up next.
- You guys!
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♪ ♪
- Tonight, on "Teen Mom Family Reunion: The Aftermath"...
- Everybody is like their mom's mini-me.
- Agh! - April--
- I mean that in the best way possible.
[laughter]
- I don't like her.
I don't like anything about that bitch.
- I guess I could have took the high road and walked away,
but I'm not Michelle Obama.
I'm Tea.
- She's about ready to pass out.
- Can we get a medic out here? - What's wrong?
- Can we call a medic? A medic.
[upbeat electronic music]
- Welcome back to "Teen Mom Family Reunion:
The Aftermath."
I'm now here with Ashley,
her mother, Tea, and Coach B.
[applause]
First of all, Ashley, I want to just ask you,
how have you--how's everything been going as far as, like,
with your pregnancy and all that stuff?
How are you, before we dig into anything.
- I'm OK.
I'm sad to say
we actually had a miscarriage.
So there's-- - Wait.
- Not-- - You had a miscarriage?
- Yeah, so we won't be-- - I'm sorry.
- Having a little one, but I am--
- Oh, I'm so sorry.
- Thank you, Nessa.
- How are you feeling about that, though?
Because that's a lot to carry.
- I don't know.
I'm still kind of, like, you know,
trying to get back to myself.
- Are you getting help for that, though,
Ashley, as far as, like, the grieving
of the miscarriage?
Because that's not something easy to experience
nor something that goes away like that.
- I know I should be.
But I am the kind of person that just kind of, like,
steamrolls over things.
I think we all know this.
I'm not a "sit in your emotions and dissect them"
type of person.
- But I do want you to get help
with grieving of the miscarriage.
Even your emotions that you suppressed when Bar
was in jail and you were pregnant,
you need to be able to have a place that's safe
that you can unload and then get in contact
with what you're feeling and where to put those emotions.
- Yeah.
- Can you commit to at least attempting to do that?
- Yeah. - OK.
- I can. - Tea, hold her accountable.
- OK, I will.
[laughter]
I will.
- From my understanding, in order for you guys
to come out here, there was an agreement
that you just didn't want to be on stage with the other moms.
- I just didn't want to be blindsided
by no bull[bleep].
I just feel like sometimes things are made up or gassed up
so there appears to be, like,
a problem when really, there's not.
- The fight did happen.
So where are you with that at this point?
- Oh, I'm over it.
I was over it as soon as I left Oregon,
really, to be honest.
Yeah.
- Tea, how about for you?
- I'm traumatized.
I went into an environment, like, open,
not really understanding all the dynamics.
For me, this was like I had told April.
You know, I was expecting to glean a lot from the mothers
that were there, so I was kind of just, like,
sitting back, trying to observe.
I'm the new one in the group.
So that's where I was with it.
- What happened to cause all of this?
What is the root of the issue?
- There was just too much disrespect taking place.
And I just didn't understand why
it was all of a sudden turned on that night,
after we had had that long, drawn emotional day
in the mud with Coach B.
Everything was OK. Everybody did their thing.
Then, boom, all of a sudden, at dinner,
there's a problem to be served.
- Now, obviously, the fight that happened
is a big part of this season.
There is a clip. Do you want to see it?
- Yeah, I don't-- that [bleep] was a blur.
- Tea, you OK to watch it?
Let's go ahead and roll it.
[tense music]
- What's the problem, Roxanne?
- The problem is that your daughter
inserted herself in a situation that she--
- OK, no, listen.
- Had no business inserting herself in.
No, my daughter would never talk to any mother
in this [bleep] table the way your daughter speaks to me.
- Well, Roxanne-- - I don't want to hear it.
You have nothing to say to me, Tea.
- I don't give a [bleep], bitch!
- Hold on. - I don't give a [bleep]!
- No, you-- - I don't give a [bleep]!
I don't give a [bleep]!
♪ ♪
- Are you gonna say excuse me?
- Stop. Stop being so dramatic.
- You bump me, I'ma grab your mother[bleep] ass.
- Hey, hey, hey. Come on.
- I didn't bump you.
- You did. - No.
- You did, [bleep].
- You're not your mother. You don't know.
- No-- - [bleep].
- Because if y'all want to go, we really can.
We really can. - Let's go.
- Well, then, we can. Let's go.
- We really can.
- Let's go because they don't want that.
Let's go. - We really can.
- Come on. We have to go.
- Why are you up there?
Get down, baby. Get down.
- No, so I could kick you in your [bleep] throat.
- 'Cause you can't fight? - No.
[bleep] you, bitch. - 'Cause you can't fight?
- [bleep] you. - Get down.
- [bleep] my [bleep], Ash.
[dramatic music]
- Bitch!
[all yelling]
- Come on, bitch. Come on, bitch.
Come on, bitch! - [bleep] you!
- Oh, you want to go?
You want to go, bitch?
- [bleep] you. - [bleep] you.
- [sighs]
- What are you thinking and feeling
when you're watching that?
- I'm not bothered, you know?
I think--is that the person that I want to be?
Absolutely not.
It's not a lot of people that can tell you
them type of stories about me.
So when I get out of character,
trust me, it's for a reason.
And how I feel is Roxy and my mom went back and forth.
I didn't--more than once.
I didn't get in it
because I would never try to go for Roxy.
She's not my equal.
As soon as Briana started trying to check my mom,
that was not right to me.
And that put me in a protective mode.
Like, as you can see, I was like, hey,
we ain't gonna do all that.
We ain't gonna do all that.
But why are you sitting right behind me,
talking, talking, talking,
and your mama talking, talking, talking?
It's making me think that we about to get to thumpin'.
So Roxy had already grabbed the chair.
She'd already been yelling, already--
now you bumping.
Like, how much further are you guys gonna go?
- And, Tea, I was watching you.
You looked like you were revisiting, like, the anger
that you were feeling there.
- I was appalled, first of all,
to have a day with you
and to be in that mode of healing...
- Right.
- And to be expressing that at the table
and to be sabotaged, where I was speaking healing,
and she was agitating the situation.
And I asked Roxy if she wanted to speak.
She went on and she spoke, said whatever she had to say,
and I waited peacefully.
But soon as I began to speak, she was just like,
"I don't want to hear it."
And it's like-- that was the first thing.
And then it escalated to her picking up a chair,
all of these other things.
Now, mind you, at the hotel,
it had already been dirty looks.
This had been building.
OK?
So now we're in the kitchen.
We go in to get some more wine, and she's there.
But I'm not thinking twice about it.
It's like, we old enough to know to keep our distance.
But then she bumps me again.
And then that's when I'm like, OK.
I got to call her on this,
or she gon' be forever my bully.
So at that moment, it's like, "Yo, you could apologize."
"Well, I'm not gonna apologize."
OK.
Well, then, only thing I can tell you is--
- That's what made me feel like--
- If you bump me again-- - They wanted to fight.
- I'm gon' have to snatch you up.
- There's no reason, as a grown woman,
why you can't just say, "Oh, my bad.
I didn't mean to bump you, girl, my bad."
- Right.
- Even if you said, "Girl, I didn't even mean
to bump you, my bad," with a attitude.
But when you say, "I'm not gonna say excuse me,"
this is my mom.
You're going to say excuse me, period.
- I mean, I guess I could have took the high road
and walked away, but I'm not Michelle Obama.
I'm Tea. You know what I'm saying?
If you want to take it low, I can take it low too.
I know how to limbo, you know what I'm saying?
So I believe that it was an extremely unfortunate event.
I hate that it happened,
and especially for the world to see.
But at the end of the day, it was straight disrespect
and violation to my whole soul.
- Let's pause right here,
and we'll be back right after this.
♪ ♪
[tense music]
- Welcome back to "Teen Mom Family Reunion:
The Aftermath."
We're still here with Ashley and Tea.
Now, from my understanding, the frustration,
from what I was able to gather, is that, apparently,
you have said some things online--
- Let me-- let's get this straight.
Roxy is the one who went online and said some stuff.
I was tagged by the fan base,
who tagged me into Roxy having a whole little meltdown
about Ashley.
I then addressed her and said, "Who is Roxanne?
"And whoever this Roxanne is, her dirty-ass daughter..."
whatever I said, because at that point,
you were talking about my daughter.
I don't know you, lady.
I didn't even know Roxanne until then.
But you crazy and out of your mind if you think
that you can speak on somebody else's child,
and then somebody is not gonna say something about yours.
So, Roxy, you started it.
- Now, Ashley, where is the issue stemming
between you and Briana?
- I just don't like that dirty-[bleep] bitch.
She's a snake.
She's messy.
She's a fake-ass, selective, wannabe bully.
Oh, she's a follower. I don't like her.
I don't like anything about that bitch.
- She said she had no problem with you--
- Oh-- - Before all this.
So just maybe-- - Who'd she say that to, Jesus?
- Was that for the camera? - Wait, wait.
- You said she had no problem with Ashley prior to this?
- Yeah, she had no problem with her--
- Prior to the incident. - Yeah.
We're talking about prior to the incident--
- Prior to the incident, yes. - No, that's not true.
Let's tell it what it is.
Back in the day, her baby daddy gave a statement to a blog,
or he tweeted, or something-- this is with all respect
to Devoin because he's got a girl now,
and I love them both.
But back in the day, when he was single,
he says something along the lines of,
oh, she's bad, or, she's beautiful--
- Who's bad? - To me.
- About you, OK. - Yes.
And it was picked up, and it was retweeted.
And I seen some funny [bleep] that she said.
I don't remember verbatim what it was.
But I seen something.
And that's what kicked it off.
People like to throw rocks and hide their hands.
And they bank on the fact that I'm not gonna
call it to the forefront.
No, bitch, I seen it.
I have a problem with it.
And I want to address it.
And that's what they're hoping I don't do,
because every time I do, it's, "Oh, I don't have a problem.
I don't know where this friction came from."
- Is this something that maybe can get cleared up?
- No, I'll never deal with that bitch in my life.
- What does the healing look like?
Is it coexisting for you two?
- It's definitely coexisting.
- But then what happens when there is a look
that's exchanged or--
- Just the same way we spent all those days at "TMFR."
And there was-- - There was a lot of--
- Funny [bleep] being said-- - Looks exchanged.
- Looks exchanged, [bleep] under the breath.
I didn't address none of it.
I don't have to, you know,
always be the big, bad wolf blowing down somebody's door.
I can chill.
- If an apology was something that was needed
for the process of healing
to move forward into even just coexisting--
- Mm-hmm.
- Would that be something y'all would be open to?
both: No. - Not giving or receiving?
- Because I only apologize for things
that I truly feel remorseful for.
- And-- - You know?
- I just want to piggyback on that to say,
I won't be apologizing to anyone
because I apologized to everybody that night.
I tried to really make peace and just say,
you know, an apology doesn't hurt me none, you know?
And so I gave it.
But I kind of feel like I just want
my apology back at this point.
- But if a conversation needs to be had,
right, with you, Ashley, are you and Tea with the group?
Because majority of them--
you know, and it's not a secret--
majority of them feel like you and Tea were in the wrong.
- That's so good for them.
- But so I'm saying, with that being said,
right, if there was a conversation,
what would that look like?
- If that was the way I was treated,
and they felt that I was wrong,
then these are some bitches
I don't want to be friends with.
- Just as they're condemning me,
they would all have to condemn Briana
for jumping on the countertop saying
she was gonna kick me in my face or condemn Roxy for--
- Now, who said-- - Picking up a chair--
- That was wrong?
- For picking up a chair and acting like she
was gonna throw it at my mom.
See, that's the double standard.
- Right.
- I don't see the same accountability.
- Mm-hmm.
- And that's that clique, clique, gang-up [bleep].
And that's what I don't [bleep] with.
I don't owe them a conversation.
I don't owe them a mother[bleep] breath.
- I totally-- yeah, I'm not in disagreeance with--
- Yeah. - Anything, and I think--
- No.
- That, again, you both have every right
to feel the way you feel.
You both have totally different experiences
of the same situation.
And you're not wrong for saying, again,
no, some things you just can't come back from.
Can I just offer that you do not negate your voice,
you do not negate what you feel about this at all,
that you think about what does common ground look like.
I'm not saying you got to move on it.
We don't need no movement.
But just process what that looks like
just in case that conversation does come up.
- Think about it.
I appreciate you both being so honest and open right now.
And, Coach B, as always, thank you for sharing your--
- Yeah, totally. - Words of wisdom.
Up next, we'll find out what Cheyenne
and Zach learned from Zach's first-ever session
with Coach B.
[upbeat music]
[applause]
- Show the ring off, Zach. Show it off.
- Oh. - What's wrong?
- Oh, my gosh.
- I don't know what's wrong. - Is she OK?
[upbeat music]
- Welcome back to "Teen Mom Family Reunion:
The Aftermath."
Sitting with me now is Cheyenne,
and let's also welcome her husband, Zach.
- Husband.
He a whole-ass husband.
- [laughs] - We like it.
Show the ring off, Zach.
Show it off. Let's take a moment right now.
- Bling-bling.
- Give the ring a round of applause.
- Oh, shut up, guys. - We like it.
- No, she did. - Wait.
- She did great.
- Well, Chey, talk to me a little bit.
What resonated with you the most
from your experience at "Family Reunion."
- I was nervous to bring my mom.
We have the same face.
These girls know me.
So they know that, like, my face is just still.
Like, it's just dry.
It's a bitch face.
But they know me.
- That's what I say all the time.
- So they've never met.
She has the same face.
So I didn't want anyone to think,
damn, Chey's mom is a bitch--
like, you know, has, like, resting bitch face too.
So I was just nervous.
And I feel like my mom has the same pack of friends
from, like, the sandbox.
I've never really seen, like, any new friends introduced.
So I was nervous, like, is my mom gonna
remember how to make friends?
So I was really excited to see her branch out
and, like, hang out with the other moms
and make connections.
And I think that was kind of like my favorite part
besides my husband showing up.
- Hey. - All right, Mrs. Davis.
- And, Zach, this was your first session--
- Yes, it was. - Right, ever?
And this happened with Coach B.
- Yeah, I'm glad that I did it.
I'm glad I had the chance to sit down and meet with her.
- Now, with Coach B, she had mentioned that you tend
to turn into Mama Bear,
and Zach will turn into a little boy,
and that's the kind of dynamic between you two.
How did you take that, how did you receive it,
and what are you gonna do with that information?
- I didn't necessarily like it because I didn't really agree.
I felt like putting those titles on it
was a little demeaning to him,
and I never viewed him as a little boy.
That's my man.
That's how I view him.
I think that I'm just naturally a nurturing person
and want to take care of everybody around me,
Zach included.
But I know that that's our relationship
behind closed doors.
So maybe, to an outside eye looking in,
that's what you can take from it.
But that's not our relationship.
- Yeah. - Got it.
- Did you notice a difference with Zach?
- Honestly, yeah, because when she was saying it,
I'm boiling.
And he was, like, all cool and calm.
And I'm like, "Get her, get her, get her.
Do something."
But he's, like, coachable, I guess,
and I'm un-coachable because--
- Nah, it was--
- I was like-- - That's the thing, though.
- "Say it again." No, I'm just kidding.
[laughter]
- Well, I want to hear all about Cheyenne's mom's
experience on "Family Reunion."
So let's bring Margaret down here.
Come on down, Margaret.
[cheers and applause]
[upbeat music]
Margaret, tell me, how was your experience
at "Family Reunion"?
- I had a great experience.
My goal was to understand my daughter better
and almost feel what she feels.
I mean, I'm a very protective mom.
And I know that she deals with a lot
and goes through a lot with the career path
that she's chosen.
So it gave me a little insight into her
and all these other beautiful ladies and the moms.
We need to support these girls.
- Well said.
Here's some unseen footage from the unstuck activity.
[soft music]
- It's like Dad didn't--
he was a great provider.
He was a great father.
I mean, he's still a great provider.
He's still a great father.
But when it comes to, like, the love aspect,
like, when did you guys hold hands,
or did you guys kiss?
Did he buy you flowers?
Right?
- But that's why I left.
And that's why I told them I was leaving,
because I wanted them to see what love looked like.
- Right. - Yeah.
- OK, how did you feel when Cheyenne expressed
that she did not want to have a loveless marriage,
something that she saw you go through
with your first husband?
- Well, we did not-- we loved each other.
But we didn't-- we got together young.
So she didn't see a lot of affection.
But for some reason, we just got stuck into a rut.
And it wasn't shown.
But the love was there.
- And how did that impact you, Chey?
- I saw love within my household growing up.
It wasn't, like, a cold household.
But I didn't see, like, a lot of affection.
When my parents did divorce, my mom was like, that's not--
that should not be your norm.
Like, I don't want that to be your norm.
I want someone who is gonna hold your hand,
and bring you flowers, and slap your butt, like,
you know, like--
- Romance you.
- Yeah, she's like, you have to realize
that your partner needs to make love to you
all day long, but not--
not sex, but, like, mentally, you know what I mean?
Like, I look for those things now.
And I feel like that's because I've listened to her,
and I've seen what I loved from my parents' marriage.
And I try to implement it in ours.
- Why do you think Zach and Chey's relationship
is so much stronger?
- They started off as friends.
- Right. - And that makes a difference.
You won't do to your friend what you'll do to your lover.
I mean, there's a difference.
And he's a very loyal friend.
And it just blossomed.
- That's amazing.
- So-- - I love this.
You all have a beautiful family for sure.
- Thank you.
- Well, coming up, we'll chat with Kiaya
about what she learned from the "Teen Mom" moms.
We'll be right back.
[upbeat music]
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- I don't really have friends at home.
So, like, I don't really have too many people to confide in.
- Well, we love you, just everything about you.
- Now you're trying to out me right now.
And there's so much [...] that I could air about you,
and that's pretty [...] up.
- Go ahead.
- OK. - OK.
[upbeat music]
- We're back with "Teen Mom Family Reunion:
The Aftermath."
We're now speaking with Kiaya
and her mom, Tiffany.
Nice to see the both of you.
- Thank you for having us. - Of course.
- We're so excited to be here, always.
- OK, so, Kiaya, what did you expect
before you came to "Family Reunion,"
and how did it actually compare to your experience?
- Yeah, I don't know.
I was just very optimistic going into it.
I was ready for anything. I was hoping for the best.
I learned a lot of-- not just about everybody else,
but about myself too.
- Ooh, what did you take away about yourself?
- I was afraid of being me.
But when I got here, and I was just--
everybody was being their authentic selves.
So I had no choice but to be my authentic self.
[laughter]
And it honestly kind of made me
love myself a little bit more.
- Mm. - I don't know.
I just kind of felt mature, you know?
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- How about for you, Mom?
How was it to see your daughter being herself?
- It was amazing, but I looked at her like,
I mean, you belong, you know what I mean?
Like, she definitely belonged.
And I just love everyone just treat her like, you know,
a little sister, and they give her advice,
and they want to see her win.
Like, everyone wants to see her win,
and that is what I love, like, yeah.
- That's important. - Mm-hmm.
Now, Kiaya, you were one of the moms
that did not get COVID.
- I'm a survivor, baby.
[laughter]
How was it for you to build that bond with the other moms
who didn't have COVID?
- Well, it was really-- it was really nice.
Like, I don't know.
I kind of felt like we were spending--
we spent more time with each other,
so I felt like we grew a tighter bond.
And then being able to meet Margaret,
and Roxanne, and Christy and just to see that everybody--
- Wow.
- Even the people that are not here--
are a reflection--
- [laughs]
- Of they mama, and it was interesting.
- I don't know if I want to be.
[laughter]
I don't know about that.
- Some parts, some parts, some parts.
- I like the new generation.
- Everyone's like, wait, what, what?
- And I mean that--
- In the best way.
- With you guys, I mean that in the best way possible.
- Got it.
- You know us. We're about to laugh.
- Everybody's like their mom's mini-me in a way.
And it's just--I don't know.
It was really amazing to just see everything.
Like, I always felt like--
like, I don't really have friends at home.
So, like, it bothers me as a young adult.
I feel like I don't really have too many people to confide in,
other than Teazha and my mom.
So, like, growing up, I always felt like
I had to fight for my acceptance,
like I had to prove myself.
And trust me, these are happy tears and not sad tears.
But it was just a relief--
- Yeah.
- To not have to prove myself, you know?
I felt so accepted.
- Yeah.
- I don't know.
I just--I wouldn't take it back, and I'm very grateful.
- We love you, just everything about you.
- Both of you.
- Kiaya, you've--for the time that I've known you,
I feel like there's always been this weight on you about--
- Yeah.
- Everything that happened with your father--
- Yeah. - This guilt that you carried.
Is there anything that you discovered
about yourself during this trip
when it comes to healing and coping
with what you've been through?
- It's tough because I feel like no matter which way I try
to deal with the situation, it's just gonna be something
that is gonna defeat me.
I don't know.
Like, I feel like, if I don't get it together,
it's gonna drive me into a hole because, you know,
most problems that people have--
like, other than, like, death-- you know, most problems,
there is a solution.
But there's no solution for this.
You know, I won't get my daddy back, period.
I won't get the time back.
I feel like I ran out of time, and it's not fair.
- He's your angel, though. - Yeah, he is.
- Forever and forever will be.
- All right.
Thank you so much, Kiaya and Tiffany,
for being here today.
After the break, we'll talk to Kayla and Luke.
Stick around.
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Up next on "Teen Mom Family Reunion: The Aftermath"...
- He had called his mom and stood his ground
for the first time, which I think was great for him.
And then she disowned him.
- Oh, my God. - Oh, my gosh.
- I don't know what's wrong. - I got her.
I got her. - Breathe.
We got you. Breathe.
- You guys, give her space. - We got you.
- Can we call a medic? A medic.
- Can we get someone here? - Can we get a medic out here?
[upbeat electronic music]
- Welcome back to "Teen Mom Family Reunion:
The Aftermath."
It's now time to talk to Kayla.
- Hi.
- Kayla, let's take a look back at the conversation
that Kayla had with Coach B.
- What is your trust level like
with your mom?
- I don't think it's really there.
I don't really know if I can depend on her to make, like,
good decisions for herself.
She struggles with, like, severe anxiety,
severe depression from, like, her own abuse growing up.
I remember when I was really young
and I didn't really understand what's going on.
She was in a very abusive relationship,
and the only way she felt like she could get out of it
was to check herself into inpatient.
I was scared.
I didn't know if my mom was gonna come back.
I didn't know if she was gonna kill herself.
- Why do you--
- Because that's why she went in.
- Now, in the series, we did find out, you know,
pretty intense stuff about your mom's past.
- Yes.
- And she suffered abuse, suicidal thoughts.
- Yes.
- How hard was it for you to see her share that?
- Yeah, I mean, something that she's
kept private besides, like, you know,
me knowing and family.
So I think that was really hard for her
to share with the world.
But I was proud of her for speaking her truth
because then, you know,
she could hopefully heal from it.
- Now, you and Luke got into a big argument--
- Yes, ma'am. - Over the phone--
- Yes, we did. - On "Family Reunion."
- Yes, we did.
- Here's a look back at the conversation
that Kayla had with Luke on the phone.
- I don't give a [bleep] about a bitch
talking [bleep] about me on social media.
That's not what this is about.
It's about the fact that she knows what happens to Izaiah,
and she's trying to [bleep] cover that [bleep] up.
And it's triggering that all this is [bleep]
happening when I'm not home.
- Check her! [bleep] check her!
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I'm so sick of this [bleep]!
It's my [bleep] kids!
Don't [bleep] hang up on me!
Please, please.
I'm so sick of this [bleep]!
It's my [bleep] kids!
Don't [bleep] hang up on me, you piece of [bleep].
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- What was the end result to that?
- He had called his mom and stood his ground
for the first time, which I think was great for him.
- Like, what do you mean stood his ground?
Like, with her?
- With her, yes, expressed himself
because something, like, he struggles with,
expressing himself and standing up to her.
And then she disowned him and said she wanted nothing
to do with him or the kids.
- Now, Briana, you had a big reaction to that.
- I just don't understand how someone
can take it out on the kids.
And even for him, like, that's your son.
Why the [bleep] would you do that?
So to me, it's shocking because it's like--
- Yeah.
- Yeah, that's your son.
Like, you need to be there for him,
and you need to be there for his kid also, you know?
So that's tough.
- Before you bring Luke out here, Kayla,
are you and him in a relationship?
- No, we are not.
He actually got an apartment with his friend.
So we are living separately.
We're not in a relationship.
Yeah.
- Any possibility of that from your end?
- I mean, I don't know what the future holds.
But I think, like, our past kind of caught up to us.
- What do you mean by that?
- Just all this stuff we had went through
during the four years of our relationship.
There's so much that we have buried--
- Sure.
- That I just don't know if we can ever really overcome.
- Even with additional--
- She's about ready to pass out.
Can someone get her?
She's about ready to pass out. - Oh.
- Oh, my God. - Oh, my God.
- I don't know what's wrong with her.
- I got her. - I got her.
- Got her? - Yep, yep.
You're good. You're good.
- Breathe, breathe. - Is Jade OK?
- Breathe, breathe. Just breathe.
We got you. Breathe.
- Oh, I'm scared. - You guys, give her space.
- It's OK, we got you. - Can we call a medic?
A medic. - Can we get someone?
- Can we get a medic out here if they're not already there?
- There's a chair. Get that chair right there.
- Calm down. It's OK.
- Sit here.
- I can just--
- All right, guys.
Let's step back for the medics here.
- Give her space. - Give her air.
Give her air.
- My chest is, like, hurt-- like, my chest actually hurts.
[gasps]
- Can you describe the pain in your chest?
- It hurts.
Oh, stop.
Don't touch me, please. - Can I get--
- There's Sean right here. - She's shaking.
- Can we clear the room?
Can we get everyone to clear out of the room, please?
- Sorry.
- Hey, can we get some guys to get her...
- I'm so scared.
- Just focus on-- - I'm just scared.
Oh, God, I'm so scared.
- Don't be scared.
- Oh, every time, I'm like, I'm dying, I'm dying, I'm dying.
I'm dead.
- Oh, [bleep].
- We're just gonna go right through here.
- Oh, feel like I'm going to be sick.
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Oh, [bleep].
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- We're back, and Jade is getting medical attention,
and we'll update you as we get more information.
We're gonna continue with our show,
and we invited Luke here to give Kayla and Luke
the opportunity that they didn't get
in Oregon to work through some of their problems.
So please welcome Luke and Coach B.
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- Hey, Luke.
Hey, Coach B.
- Hello, hello. - What's up?
Hey, how you doing? How y'all doing?
- OK, so, Luke,
Kayla gave us some updates.
- Mm-hmm. You two are no longer together?
- No, we're not. - OK.
How do you feel about that?
- Wasn't my decision.
I'll say that, but, you know,
I got to respect it and keep on living life, you know?
- Right.
Are you still in love with Kayla?
- Very much.
- How does that make you feel, Kayla?
- It's a hard situation.
You know, I'm not gonna say, like,
there's no feelings there.
But I do feel like our past just really caught up to us.
- Kayla, what was that last straw?
Take me to your mindset.
- I think just, like, my self-reflection.
Like, I didn't like the person I became--
- Mm. - Throughout the relationship.
Like, he became better, and I became worse.
It's just, like, ironic because I feel like me,
like, building him up,
I was tearing myself down at the same time.
- Where do you think you fell short at with her?
- I don't know.
- Kayla, can you enlighten him on where he fell short?
- I would say really the cheating
throughout, like, the pregnancy and after the pregnancy.
And it wasn't just one incident.
It was multiple.
So I don't think he was in love with me
when I was in love with him, and then it's like--
it took me, like, stepping out on him for him to, like,
develop those feelings.
- Did you hear what you said?
It took you to match his toxicity--
- Yeah.
- And match his dysfunction for him to wake up.
I want to ask-- and you may not listen,
but I want to ask that you stop pursuing her and any woman
until you pursue yourself.
- I'm good on any type of relationship right now.
- Mm-hmm.
- Like, I've learned I'm not good at it.
So I feel like--
- Can you commit to that?
- Oh, definitely.
- Kayla.
- Yes, ma'am?
- Tell me where you are.
There's a new relationship or something going?
- No, I'm not. I'm not in a relationship.
- OK, so you're not--oh, OK.
Well-- - Please tell the truth, Kayla.
- I'm not in a relationship.
I am seeing somebody,
but, like, it's new, you know what I mean?
Just feeling it out.
- The only thing that I was not OK with
is how early she brought the kids around him.
- No, no, no, no, no. - Tell the truth.
- He helped me move a piece of furniture.
- She had a friend-- the guy--help her move the bed.
And I was just upset because the children were present.
That was my only problem.
- Now you're trying to out me right now,
and there's so much [bleep] I could air about you,
and that's pretty [bleep] up.
- Go ahead.
- Kayla, you're getting emotional.
What's going on?
- Because I feel like he always wants to paint me
as this bad person.
And it's so [bleep] frustrating.
His family does it. He does it.
And I feel like I don't be doing
[bleep] wrong to this man.
- The family I don't talk to-- - I have helped him.
- Because I stood up for our child?
- I've helped him so much-- - Our son?
- And all he does is tear me down.
- This is the last thing I wanted to do
was the fighting and arguing because after--
- No, it's just funny-- - This, we got to go home.
- Because before we came here, he's like,
"I'm not gonna fight with you. I'm not gonna do any of that.
Don't air out my business. I'm not gonna try to."
Because I told him, I'm like,
"I feel like you're gonna get up here
and try to twist the situation into something it's not."
He's like, "No, I would never do that.
I would never do that."
But you're doing that. - OK.
- I feel like he's always trying to paint himself
as the victim, always.
- I don't want to cause any problems because the last thing
that I want--that's the last thing that I want
because my kids are my everything.
And, like, she knows that.
Like, I don't want our relationship to be
any more difficult than what it was.
And I just want to keep being able to see them when I can
or when I--
like, what we got going now is perfectly fine with me.
And I just didn't want to come up here and ruin that.
And I wasn't trying to air anything out.
Like, I truly am sorry.
Like, I didn't--
that wasn't my intention, and you know that.
- Understand that you're parents at the end of the day.
And it's really not about airing each other out.
It's about having a real conversation.
If you can't be transparent, and you can't be honest,
you can't heal a lie,
you'll just be stuck in dysfunction.
Healing takes place when truth is brought forward.
OK.
- Well, thank you so much, Kayla.
Thank you, Luke, for being out here.
Really appreciate it.
And that does it for "Teen Mom Family Reunion:
The Aftermath."
Thank you so much to the moms, the grandmas,
the dads, Coach B, and everyone who made
this "Family Reunion" so special.
I'm Nessa, and I'll see you next time.
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