1 00:00:11,184 --> 00:00:13,926 - Just the image of him and the sound of him. 2 00:00:15,145 --> 00:00:16,711 - No. 3 00:00:16,755 --> 00:00:21,151 - It's a kind of fear that goes beyond reasoning. 4 00:00:26,373 --> 00:00:28,332 - I'm personally fascinated with that character 5 00:00:28,375 --> 00:00:30,725 more than any other, because of my love 6 00:00:30,769 --> 00:00:32,031 for it that I can't explain. 7 00:00:32,075 --> 00:00:34,381 - Even if you hadn't seen all the movies, 8 00:00:34,425 --> 00:00:35,991 everybody knows who Jason is. 9 00:00:36,035 --> 00:00:36,949 - No one sat down and said, 10 00:00:36,992 --> 00:00:38,385 "We're creating an icon." 11 00:00:38,429 --> 00:00:39,821 It was really just kind of creating a character 12 00:00:39,865 --> 00:00:43,129 that was partly sympathetic and partly scary. 13 00:00:43,173 --> 00:00:45,827 - He thinks what he's doing is good, 14 00:00:45,871 --> 00:00:48,221 he thinks what he's doing is for mama. 15 00:00:48,265 --> 00:00:50,049 - Mother is talking to you. 16 00:00:50,093 --> 00:00:52,617 - And he's going to complete what he's doing 17 00:00:52,660 --> 00:00:54,271 and you are going to die. 18 00:00:56,577 --> 00:00:57,926 And that's Jason. 19 00:01:15,248 --> 00:01:16,728 - You know, most people will lie to you 20 00:01:16,771 --> 00:01:19,122 when they come up and say you're their favorite, 21 00:01:19,165 --> 00:01:22,299 but I think what they're looking at is the character itself. 22 00:01:24,431 --> 00:01:25,345 - Hi. 23 00:01:28,218 --> 00:01:30,872 - I've had families come in where the father, the son, 24 00:01:30,916 --> 00:01:33,179 and the grandson were all dressed up 25 00:01:33,223 --> 00:01:35,007 as different versions of Jason. 26 00:01:36,574 --> 00:01:39,838 - And now that fan interaction has even spawned 27 00:01:39,881 --> 00:01:41,013 a whole new generation. 28 00:01:43,842 --> 00:01:48,499 - John Buechler was doing a panel and nobody knew who I was. 29 00:01:50,196 --> 00:01:52,111 He introduced me as, "Hey, that's the new Jason." 30 00:01:53,982 --> 00:01:56,289 As I was walking out of the auditorium, 31 00:01:56,333 --> 00:01:59,466 I looked back and there was 50 people following me, 32 00:01:59,510 --> 00:02:02,513 so that was the first indication 33 00:02:02,556 --> 00:02:04,123 that things might be different. 34 00:02:05,255 --> 00:02:06,734 - Shall we cut the ribbon? 35 00:02:06,778 --> 00:02:07,692 - We're going to slash the ribbon. 36 00:02:07,735 --> 00:02:10,434 - One, two, three. 37 00:02:14,655 --> 00:02:17,223 - The production code ended in the '70s, 38 00:02:17,267 --> 00:02:21,967 with that were more creative freedoms behind the camera. 39 00:02:23,273 --> 00:02:24,448 And with those looser restrictions 40 00:02:24,491 --> 00:02:27,364 came greater ability to scare audiences. 41 00:02:27,407 --> 00:02:28,843 - Now in the traditional horror movie, 42 00:02:28,887 --> 00:02:31,542 we often saw things from the victim's point of view, 43 00:02:31,585 --> 00:02:34,458 but that's no longer, now we look through the killer's eyes. 44 00:02:34,501 --> 00:02:35,241 - Michael! 45 00:02:36,634 --> 00:02:38,766 - So Carpenter did "Halloween." 46 00:02:38,810 --> 00:02:42,466 And then right after "Halloween", the one person who saw it, 47 00:02:42,509 --> 00:02:44,685 who really, really needed to see it was Sean Cunningham. 48 00:02:46,731 --> 00:02:48,211 - He grew up on the east coast film scene, 49 00:02:48,254 --> 00:02:51,518 which was more do-it-yourself, documentary style. 50 00:02:51,562 --> 00:02:54,260 He intentionally kind of avoided Hollywood. 51 00:02:54,304 --> 00:02:56,828 He was never a horror guy and basically what happened is, 52 00:02:56,871 --> 00:02:58,743 you know, by the end of the '70s, he just, you know, 53 00:02:58,786 --> 00:03:00,266 he was struggling to pay the bills 54 00:03:00,310 --> 00:03:02,268 and heard "Halloween" was a big hit. 55 00:03:02,312 --> 00:03:04,227 We all saw the movie "Dawn of the Dead", that was a big hit 56 00:03:04,270 --> 00:03:05,793 and he told Victor Miller, the screenwriter, 57 00:03:05,837 --> 00:03:09,580 "Hey, go see 'Halloween' and basically copy it." 58 00:03:09,623 --> 00:03:12,235 - "'Halloween''s making a lot of money, let's rip it off." 59 00:03:12,278 --> 00:03:15,194 He basically just got funding for the movie just by saying, 60 00:03:15,238 --> 00:03:16,761 "I'm going to make this movie called 'Friday the 13th', 61 00:03:16,804 --> 00:03:18,197 it's going to be the scariest movie you've ever seen." 62 00:03:21,113 --> 00:03:22,897 - "Friday the 13th". 63 00:03:24,377 --> 00:03:26,292 - It was like probably the first American 64 00:03:26,336 --> 00:03:28,947 horror movie that like promised some real deal, 65 00:03:28,990 --> 00:03:30,992 splatter and gore on camera, right? 66 00:03:31,036 --> 00:03:32,777 That was going to blow some minds. 67 00:03:32,820 --> 00:03:36,041 - You're doomed. You're all doomed. 68 00:03:37,521 --> 00:03:40,785 - I think Jason Voorhees is one of those examples 69 00:03:40,828 --> 00:03:44,136 of a movie franchise where you have 70 00:03:44,179 --> 00:03:47,574 a really amazing villain in the first one 71 00:03:47,618 --> 00:03:51,839 and there's something amazing about a golf sweater 72 00:03:51,883 --> 00:03:55,365 and big smile and that's Jason's mom. 73 00:03:55,408 --> 00:03:58,281 - I'm Mrs. Voorhees, an old friend of the Christy's. 74 00:04:02,372 --> 00:04:04,504 - The interesting part to me about Jason 75 00:04:04,548 --> 00:04:07,986 is actually Pamela, she was avenging her son. 76 00:04:08,029 --> 00:04:10,423 - Did know that a young boy drowned? 77 00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:12,947 The year before those two others were killed. 78 00:04:12,991 --> 00:04:15,733 The counselors weren't paying any attention, 79 00:04:15,776 --> 00:04:18,475 they were making love while that young boy drowned. 80 00:04:20,955 --> 00:04:21,826 His name was Jason. 81 00:04:23,218 --> 00:04:25,699 - Voorhees is a victim of negligent 82 00:04:25,743 --> 00:04:27,832 camp babysitters, basically. 83 00:04:27,875 --> 00:04:29,921 - And what I love about Jason too, 84 00:04:29,964 --> 00:04:33,098 is that he's got a mom who loves him. 85 00:04:33,141 --> 00:04:35,796 - So much so that she'll murder people. 86 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,408 - Look what you did to him. 87 00:04:42,455 --> 00:04:44,283 - I do think, and I will go here, 88 00:04:44,327 --> 00:04:47,808 I think generationally through the '80s and '90s, 89 00:04:47,852 --> 00:04:52,596 a lot of kids had a single mom who was badass. 90 00:04:53,161 --> 00:04:54,467 - I did. 91 00:04:54,511 --> 00:04:56,121 - Kicked ass when asses needed to be kicked. 92 00:04:56,164 --> 00:04:57,035 And I think that's something when you watch it, you're like, 93 00:04:57,078 --> 00:04:58,645 "Hey, I know this experience." 94 00:04:58,689 --> 00:05:00,125 - Victor Miller spent most of his time figuring out, 95 00:05:00,168 --> 00:05:02,214 "Okay, who is Mrs. Voorhees and what's her motive?" 96 00:05:02,257 --> 00:05:04,085 And Jason was an afterthought. 97 00:05:04,129 --> 00:05:05,826 In the script, there was no that he's misshapen 98 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:08,612 or physically handicapped, 99 00:05:08,655 --> 00:05:10,396 so that was an invention later on. 100 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,833 So I don't think that that would have been the impetus 101 00:05:12,877 --> 00:05:15,880 for Tom Savini to take the job in the first place. 102 00:05:15,923 --> 00:05:17,969 I mean, honestly, I think he just liked creating effects. 103 00:05:20,014 --> 00:05:22,713 - It was the first serial killer that I had to create. 104 00:05:24,584 --> 00:05:27,413 I was going to be a choreographer, a dance choreographer. 105 00:05:27,457 --> 00:05:28,762 The makeup kit was always 106 00:05:28,806 --> 00:05:30,503 calling my name from the attic, you know? 107 00:05:30,547 --> 00:05:33,071 And so that became my career. 108 00:05:33,114 --> 00:05:37,118 So Sean was letting me experiment and come up with ideas, 109 00:05:37,162 --> 00:05:38,990 they just wanted a weird looking kid 110 00:05:39,033 --> 00:05:42,428 who obviously was handicapped, you know, somehow. 111 00:05:42,472 --> 00:05:45,083 I just modeled him after a guy I saw in my neighborhood, 112 00:05:45,126 --> 00:05:48,216 one ear was lower than the other and he had a messed up eye. 113 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:50,958 I had seen some of Dick Smith's "Little Big Man" 114 00:05:51,002 --> 00:05:54,005 work with cowls and so I did a cowl on him, 115 00:05:54,048 --> 00:05:57,138 which was the deformed hydrocephalic pinhead, you know, 116 00:05:57,182 --> 00:05:59,010 and that made them weird enough, you know, 117 00:05:59,053 --> 00:06:00,359 to be in the movie. 118 00:06:00,403 --> 00:06:01,839 - And so he's kind of recognizably human, 119 00:06:01,882 --> 00:06:04,015 but also distorted and terrifying. 120 00:06:04,058 --> 00:06:07,845 And he had to be a little boy, so they cast Ari Lehman. 121 00:06:09,542 --> 00:06:12,066 - Tom and Taso picked me up and they had to drive me 122 00:06:12,110 --> 00:06:14,329 like all the way to Weston And you could see they were like, 123 00:06:14,373 --> 00:06:17,289 "Oh no, we got to babysit this kid", you know. 124 00:06:17,332 --> 00:06:20,684 - He was 13 at the time and he was our dope connection. 125 00:06:20,727 --> 00:06:24,252 - And I had a little box full of weed and hash 126 00:06:24,296 --> 00:06:26,777 and I just went, "Hey, do you guys party?" 127 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:29,736 - He's the guy that would bring us bags of marijuana at 13. 128 00:06:29,780 --> 00:06:31,999 - And then I went bonk and I opened the thing 129 00:06:32,043 --> 00:06:33,914 and they were like, "Whoa." 130 00:06:33,958 --> 00:06:37,744 Then the fun ensued from that point on, no doubt. 131 00:06:37,788 --> 00:06:42,488 - You let him drown, you never paid any attention. 132 00:06:42,532 --> 00:06:45,360 - Originally that was going to be the only incarnation 133 00:06:45,404 --> 00:06:48,015 of Jason Voorhees in cinematic history, 134 00:06:48,059 --> 00:06:49,800 it was just going to be a boy who drowns. 135 00:06:50,975 --> 00:06:52,846 Then Sean calls me again. 136 00:06:54,239 --> 00:06:55,936 "Well, we want a different ending. 137 00:06:55,980 --> 00:06:57,721 You get your revenge." 138 00:07:02,334 --> 00:07:04,205 Bitch killed my mom, you know. 139 00:07:04,249 --> 00:07:06,294 I was like, "Okay, fine. I'm coming." 140 00:07:10,734 --> 00:07:13,476 - That scene, when we're all like tricked 141 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:15,216 into believing, like, it's the tranquil moment 142 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:17,567 where we can let our guard down. 143 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:25,052 It's really the first scare I can remember 144 00:07:25,096 --> 00:07:27,272 that made me jump and scream. 145 00:07:27,315 --> 00:07:29,100 And partially I was screaming because it was scary 146 00:07:29,143 --> 00:07:30,362 and the other part of me was screaming 147 00:07:30,405 --> 00:07:31,624 because she got what she deserved. 148 00:07:31,668 --> 00:07:32,843 It was amazing. 149 00:07:32,886 --> 00:07:34,409 - Movies and TV shows, 150 00:07:34,453 --> 00:07:37,108 they play on this jump scare ever since. 151 00:07:37,151 --> 00:07:38,805 - And I'm the only one who made it. 152 00:07:47,901 --> 00:07:52,602 - Oh, he came up out that water like Jason. 153 00:07:54,386 --> 00:07:56,301 - As I've often said to my buddy Kane Hodder, you know, 154 00:07:56,344 --> 00:08:00,566 in that four seconds, I was able to do what he did 155 00:08:00,610 --> 00:08:03,395 in four movies through one eye. 156 00:08:05,179 --> 00:08:07,834 - It was a big, wide saturated release. 157 00:08:07,878 --> 00:08:11,534 It was a success way beyond their wildest dreams 158 00:08:11,577 --> 00:08:14,275 and Paramount was always a little embarrassed about it 159 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:17,017 because critics raked the movie over the coals. 160 00:08:17,061 --> 00:08:19,019 - They call these things exploitation films, 161 00:08:19,063 --> 00:08:21,718 these rotten ones, because they exploit one element 162 00:08:21,761 --> 00:08:23,415 and make it sort of sick. 163 00:08:23,458 --> 00:08:25,983 - It was looked at as basically one step above pornography. 164 00:08:26,026 --> 00:08:27,550 I mean, for a lot of the people involved, 165 00:08:27,593 --> 00:08:28,812 it actually harmed their careers for like, for example, 166 00:08:28,855 --> 00:08:30,596 a lot of the actors would try to get work, 167 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,903 they're from east coast, theater actors, 168 00:08:32,946 --> 00:08:34,557 they go for an audition for a play 169 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,862 and they'd have to take "Friday the 13th" off their resume, 170 00:08:35,906 --> 00:08:37,516 'cause people were like, 171 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:38,822 "We're not going to hire you if you were in that." 172 00:08:38,865 --> 00:08:39,953 There was this sort of resentment at Paramount, 173 00:08:39,997 --> 00:08:42,216 like, you know, "We're busting our asses, 174 00:08:42,260 --> 00:08:44,131 making these prestige movies and this piece of crap 175 00:08:44,175 --> 00:08:45,306 'Friday the 13th' comes out and makes more money 176 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:47,395 opening weekend than our movie does." 177 00:08:47,439 --> 00:08:49,180 - A sequel was made because the first one 178 00:08:49,223 --> 00:08:50,703 made a lot of money. 179 00:08:50,747 --> 00:08:53,619 You're watching them kind of stumble into a guy 180 00:08:53,663 --> 00:08:55,490 that would become the grandfather 181 00:08:55,534 --> 00:08:57,101 of the great horror slashers. 182 00:08:57,144 --> 00:08:59,625 'Cause it's almost like we kind of helped create Jason, 183 00:08:59,669 --> 00:09:01,888 you know, cause we wanted more 184 00:09:01,932 --> 00:09:04,717 and they had to do something because Mrs. Voorhees 185 00:09:04,761 --> 00:09:05,936 didn't have a head anymore. 186 00:09:11,071 --> 00:09:13,726 - It was very much like, "Holy crap, this worked. 187 00:09:13,770 --> 00:09:16,120 Okay, how quickly can we turn out a second?" 188 00:09:16,163 --> 00:09:18,949 And then that becomes the way of life. 189 00:09:20,385 --> 00:09:23,040 - "Friday the 13th Part II." 190 00:09:24,824 --> 00:09:26,609 The body count continues. 191 00:09:28,349 --> 00:09:29,873 - I turned down part two 192 00:09:29,916 --> 00:09:32,571 because they had Jason running around and Jason, 193 00:09:32,615 --> 00:09:34,573 I thought, was the kid that died in the first movie. 194 00:09:34,617 --> 00:09:36,401 - What if there is some kind of boy beast 195 00:09:36,444 --> 00:09:37,837 running around Camp Crystal Lake? 196 00:09:37,881 --> 00:09:40,318 I mean, let's try to think beyond the legend, 197 00:09:40,361 --> 00:09:41,362 put it in real terms. 198 00:09:42,712 --> 00:09:44,409 I mean, what would he be like today? 199 00:09:44,452 --> 00:09:47,630 Some kind of out of control psychopath? 200 00:09:47,673 --> 00:09:52,330 - Jason has some element of sympathy that he gets from you. 201 00:09:53,374 --> 00:09:54,637 You kind of feel sorry for him. 202 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:57,465 Jason had to see his mom get her head cut off. 203 00:09:57,509 --> 00:09:59,250 I'm sure I would probably go out 204 00:09:59,293 --> 00:10:01,818 and kill a bunch of sexy teens, too. 205 00:10:01,861 --> 00:10:03,341 - I think we're both in agreement 206 00:10:03,384 --> 00:10:05,169 that he's a little sweetheart. 207 00:10:05,212 --> 00:10:06,387 - There is something about Jason, 208 00:10:06,431 --> 00:10:09,086 he's got a strange sweetness about him. 209 00:10:09,129 --> 00:10:11,784 And I think there's also a feeling of like, 210 00:10:11,828 --> 00:10:14,178 "Well, if I met Jason he wouldn't kill me." 211 00:10:16,789 --> 00:10:18,661 - You know, I mostly spent my time 212 00:10:18,704 --> 00:10:21,925 watching things through bushes, heavily breathing. 213 00:10:21,968 --> 00:10:23,883 So I know what it's like to be Jason. 214 00:10:23,927 --> 00:10:25,319 - He just kind of lumbers around 215 00:10:25,363 --> 00:10:26,669 and he kills lots of people 216 00:10:26,712 --> 00:10:27,931 and that's pretty much it. 217 00:10:27,974 --> 00:10:30,585 I mean, he didn't seem to have a lot of subtext 218 00:10:30,629 --> 00:10:32,718 or a lot of interesting mythology behind him. 219 00:10:32,762 --> 00:10:34,633 And I think there's a certain primal power to that, 220 00:10:34,677 --> 00:10:36,635 that he is just this thing in the woods 221 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,942 that will kill you if you get in his turf. 222 00:10:38,985 --> 00:10:42,206 - He's a very lonely troubled, strange guy, 223 00:10:42,249 --> 00:10:44,687 you know, who lives in the woods. 224 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:46,079 - Jason! 225 00:10:46,123 --> 00:10:47,820 - Sackhead Jason's my favorite Jason. 226 00:10:47,864 --> 00:10:51,084 - The bag is featureless except for one eye. 227 00:10:51,128 --> 00:10:52,477 It's telling a story, you're going, 228 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,828 "Is Jason, got some motor skill problems 229 00:10:55,872 --> 00:10:57,264 and could only get one I cut out 230 00:10:57,308 --> 00:10:58,918 or is he cutting one eye out on purpose 231 00:10:58,962 --> 00:11:00,093 'cause the other one ain't working?" 232 00:11:00,137 --> 00:11:03,270 - Jason's look is ever evolving. 233 00:11:03,314 --> 00:11:05,185 We have kind of the Jason that we perceived 234 00:11:05,229 --> 00:11:06,796 from the first one and then it gets completely 235 00:11:06,839 --> 00:11:08,536 blown out of the water in the second one. 236 00:11:11,888 --> 00:11:14,151 But then the one thing that continues to change 237 00:11:14,194 --> 00:11:16,849 throughout the entire franchise is Jason's mask. 238 00:11:16,893 --> 00:11:19,939 - He has to develop his own iconic stature 239 00:11:19,983 --> 00:11:21,027 and so it's almost like kind of like 240 00:11:21,071 --> 00:11:22,768 a make it up as you go along 241 00:11:22,812 --> 00:11:25,249 type of character of Jason Voorhees, 242 00:11:25,292 --> 00:11:27,207 where it's just like, "Okay, well maybe he can do this, 243 00:11:27,251 --> 00:11:28,861 maybe he can do that." 244 00:11:28,905 --> 00:11:31,429 And then eventually we end up with a hockey mask somehow. 245 00:11:31,472 --> 00:11:33,213 - It was all an accident. 246 00:11:33,257 --> 00:11:35,476 Steve Miner and Frank Mancuso Jr. have gone on record 247 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,435 saying that they didn't like the bag 248 00:11:37,478 --> 00:11:39,002 and the biggest problem was they thought of the bag 249 00:11:39,045 --> 00:11:40,699 and then "The Elephant Man" came out, you know, 250 00:11:40,743 --> 00:11:42,440 shit, people were going to laugh at him. 251 00:11:42,483 --> 00:11:44,050 So by part three that, "Okay, we got to get rid of the bag." 252 00:11:44,094 --> 00:11:46,574 And literally it was just someone on the set, 253 00:11:46,618 --> 00:11:48,925 some people that were hockey fans and had hockey masks, 254 00:11:48,968 --> 00:11:50,491 so they were doing makeup tests 255 00:11:50,535 --> 00:11:52,537 and one of the mask choices was a hockey mask 256 00:11:52,580 --> 00:11:54,713 and Steve Miner said, "That looks great, let's do it." 257 00:11:56,236 --> 00:11:57,150 That's part of the magic of Jason, 258 00:11:57,194 --> 00:11:59,109 is that it happened organically, 259 00:11:59,152 --> 00:12:00,806 it wasn't premeditated. 260 00:12:00,850 --> 00:12:03,722 - We assumed there had to be a reason for that, you know, 261 00:12:03,766 --> 00:12:07,291 it couldn't just be a simple thing of they didn't care. 262 00:12:07,334 --> 00:12:09,597 When you're little, you assume everything has a grand plan. 263 00:12:09,641 --> 00:12:11,077 - When I think about it, it was just like, 264 00:12:11,121 --> 00:12:12,644 we start off with this mother. 265 00:12:12,687 --> 00:12:13,906 - Kill her, mommy. 266 00:12:13,950 --> 00:12:15,647 - But then we end up with him 267 00:12:15,690 --> 00:12:17,214 as an adult with a hockey mask. 268 00:12:17,257 --> 00:12:18,563 - Ah! 269 00:12:18,606 --> 00:12:21,522 - Jason had to find that iconic aesthetic 270 00:12:21,566 --> 00:12:24,917 that made him recognizable in a magazine, 271 00:12:24,961 --> 00:12:28,747 on a poster, as a toy, and it was the hockey mask. 272 00:12:28,791 --> 00:12:30,836 There's something to not seeing his face, 273 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,839 but also seeing the holes, you can almost see through him. 274 00:12:33,883 --> 00:12:35,667 That's a classic horror trope, 275 00:12:35,710 --> 00:12:38,757 is seeing a little bit of a scary thing, but not all of it. 276 00:12:38,801 --> 00:12:41,542 - It is so iconically known worldwide. 277 00:12:41,586 --> 00:12:43,457 If you take a picture of Mr. Tom Cruise 278 00:12:43,501 --> 00:12:45,416 and you take it to India, you show it to them, 279 00:12:45,459 --> 00:12:49,333 and they'll say, "Tom Cruise", snap, won't even hesitate. 280 00:12:49,376 --> 00:12:50,725 You show him a picture of C.J. 281 00:12:52,466 --> 00:12:54,729 However, if you turn the picture around to the hockey mask, 282 00:12:54,773 --> 00:12:56,427 "Jason, 'Friday the 13th.'" 283 00:12:58,037 --> 00:12:59,865 - How about the camp site where the guy in the hockey mask 284 00:12:59,909 --> 00:13:01,519 kills all the campers? 285 00:13:01,562 --> 00:13:03,434 - Careful, Lois, this is the part where the doomed girl 286 00:13:03,477 --> 00:13:05,262 runs into the guy with the hockey mask. 287 00:13:06,959 --> 00:13:08,787 - Whoa, whoa, whoa, why so "Friday the 13th"? 288 00:13:10,571 --> 00:13:12,269 - Want to play some hockey? 289 00:13:14,140 --> 00:13:16,534 - It is funny that Jason wears a hockey mask 290 00:13:16,577 --> 00:13:17,796 because it feels a little like 291 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,319 he's trying to prove something like, 292 00:13:19,363 --> 00:13:22,496 'cause he couldn't swim, so maybe he's not athletic. 293 00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:25,804 And it's like, "No, no. I'm really a goalie 294 00:13:25,848 --> 00:13:27,458 on a hockey team." 295 00:13:27,501 --> 00:13:30,026 - "The most important role on the team, 296 00:13:30,069 --> 00:13:31,331 nothing gets through me." 297 00:13:34,030 --> 00:13:37,468 - And if you ask any diehard "Friday the 13th" fan 298 00:13:37,511 --> 00:13:39,426 which mask is from which franchise, 299 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:41,907 they can match it up in a snap. 300 00:13:41,951 --> 00:13:43,866 It's just something that's ingrained in us. 301 00:13:43,909 --> 00:13:45,868 Oh, that's the mask from part five, no that's part seven. 302 00:13:45,911 --> 00:13:47,826 So it continued to change, 303 00:13:47,870 --> 00:13:51,308 but that, in a way, became the special effects people 304 00:13:51,351 --> 00:13:54,398 and the directors putting their own mark on each film. 305 00:13:54,441 --> 00:13:56,879 And as we continue to see evolutions 306 00:13:56,922 --> 00:13:59,925 in "Friday the 13th", that will continue. 307 00:13:59,969 --> 00:14:02,449 - Being a theater nerd, we studied mask work 308 00:14:02,493 --> 00:14:04,495 and mask work is really hard to do. 309 00:14:04,538 --> 00:14:05,844 You know, I think that people are like, 310 00:14:05,888 --> 00:14:06,889 "Oh, you put on a mask and just walk around." 311 00:14:09,326 --> 00:14:11,719 No, the physicality has to be so specific. 312 00:14:17,073 --> 00:14:18,683 - You can't be alive. 313 00:14:20,728 --> 00:14:21,468 You. 314 00:14:24,732 --> 00:14:27,126 - For me, part three Jason is my favorite. 315 00:14:27,170 --> 00:14:30,477 Oh man, I saw the opening weekend in 3D. 316 00:14:30,521 --> 00:14:32,131 Richard Brooker was a circus performer, 317 00:14:32,175 --> 00:14:33,872 so the way he moved and used his hands 318 00:14:33,916 --> 00:14:36,614 and that hulking thing was pretty scary. 319 00:14:36,657 --> 00:14:38,181 I used to have nightmares. 320 00:14:38,224 --> 00:14:41,532 - My favorite moment of the Jason movies 321 00:14:41,575 --> 00:14:43,708 is the end of three. 322 00:14:43,751 --> 00:14:47,016 Just because I love how surreal it gets. 323 00:14:47,059 --> 00:14:49,366 He shouldn't exist and yet he does. 324 00:14:49,409 --> 00:14:52,238 And something about that shot of him up in the window, 325 00:14:52,282 --> 00:14:55,763 unmasked, there's a glee, a smile to his face 326 00:14:55,807 --> 00:14:57,026 and it's one of the only moments 327 00:14:57,069 --> 00:14:59,376 that I feel like we get a true personality, 328 00:14:59,419 --> 00:15:01,465 like how he feels about what's happening. 329 00:15:03,728 --> 00:15:05,948 - Now terror takes on a new dimension. 330 00:15:07,906 --> 00:15:10,213 - Back in the 1980s, now that was a time 331 00:15:10,256 --> 00:15:14,260 where everybody started doing 3D. You had "Parasite", 332 00:15:14,304 --> 00:15:17,611 "Treasure of the Four Crowns", "Jaws 3D". 333 00:15:17,655 --> 00:15:22,442 Then in 1984 Weird Al came out with "Nature Trail to Hell", 334 00:15:22,486 --> 00:15:26,359 which is actually a parody of "Friday the 13th Part III". 335 00:15:26,403 --> 00:15:28,274 - I loved the 3D movie when it came out 336 00:15:28,318 --> 00:15:29,623 and I loved all the 3D gags. 337 00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:31,234 - I have warned thee. 338 00:15:32,757 --> 00:15:34,628 - All of the stuff that we would consider cheesy 339 00:15:34,672 --> 00:15:38,154 and obvious now it just tickled me so much, you know. 340 00:15:38,197 --> 00:15:40,373 - You're like, "There's a baseball coming at me 341 00:15:40,417 --> 00:15:42,506 or a yo-yo coming at my face." 342 00:15:43,942 --> 00:15:46,901 - Hey, I dropped your wallet, I'm sorry. 343 00:15:46,945 --> 00:15:50,296 - He's like pointing a harpoon at her face. 344 00:15:50,340 --> 00:15:52,951 - Hey, now cut that out right now, that's not funny. 345 00:15:55,301 --> 00:15:56,781 - That's a good one. 346 00:15:56,824 --> 00:15:59,044 - There's wild combination between 3D movies 347 00:15:59,088 --> 00:16:01,133 and also "Friday the 13th" films. 348 00:16:01,177 --> 00:16:03,831 They're both, in my opinion, event movies. 349 00:16:03,875 --> 00:16:05,703 When you go to the theater to watch one of those, 350 00:16:05,746 --> 00:16:07,966 it's a relationship as a group 351 00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:09,968 where you're catching everyone's energy, 352 00:16:10,012 --> 00:16:11,970 everyone's screaming at the same time. 353 00:16:12,014 --> 00:16:15,278 What amplifies your feeling of excitement or fear. 354 00:16:15,321 --> 00:16:17,932 - There is something about sitting there 355 00:16:17,976 --> 00:16:21,588 and watching somebody that is unstoppable. 356 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:24,678 - It was so grotesque, it was almost inhuman. 357 00:16:24,722 --> 00:16:27,290 - And keeps coming and it's scary on one hand, 358 00:16:27,333 --> 00:16:30,380 but there's also some sort of release, you know. 359 00:16:30,423 --> 00:16:32,034 And it's like a thrill ride. 360 00:16:36,429 --> 00:16:41,304 - Anyone can kill with a weapon but when you kill someone 361 00:16:41,347 --> 00:16:44,655 with something that is not a weapon, that's creative. 362 00:16:46,570 --> 00:16:49,181 - Jason is basically the MacGyver of murder, 363 00:16:49,225 --> 00:16:52,837 where whatever he would find lying around, he can use that. 364 00:16:55,883 --> 00:16:57,407 - But then around like four, it switches, 365 00:16:57,450 --> 00:17:00,366 like Jason's the hero, he's like everybody's rooting on. 366 00:17:00,410 --> 00:17:01,628 So then you're like, 367 00:17:01,672 --> 00:17:03,804 "Destroy that despicable piece of shit." 368 00:17:03,848 --> 00:17:05,763 - Hi, girls, thanks for waiting. 369 00:17:10,724 --> 00:17:12,030 - And then they start almost writing, 370 00:17:12,074 --> 00:17:13,510 especially a lot of the supporting characters, 371 00:17:13,553 --> 00:17:16,643 as just insufferable, despicable people. 372 00:17:16,687 --> 00:17:19,342 So not only do you want to see Jason do his art, 373 00:17:19,385 --> 00:17:21,648 you want to see him do it quick and messy 374 00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:23,041 and all over these people. 375 00:17:23,085 --> 00:17:25,391 - I think Jason works when it's cold 376 00:17:25,435 --> 00:17:28,046 and brutal and simplified. 377 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:30,483 He gets the job done, he doesn't linger, 378 00:17:30,527 --> 00:17:33,269 he doesn't enjoy it too much necessarily. 379 00:17:38,404 --> 00:17:40,363 - I'm not necessarily watching Jason 380 00:17:40,406 --> 00:17:42,234 to go on like this big, long emotional journey 381 00:17:42,278 --> 00:17:44,410 the way I am with a lot of these other characters. 382 00:17:44,454 --> 00:17:46,456 There's no specific character that I want 383 00:17:46,499 --> 00:17:47,674 to see make it out alive. 384 00:17:49,459 --> 00:17:51,591 - If they're telling you to no to sex, no to drugs, 385 00:17:51,635 --> 00:17:54,028 but we will watch you have sex and then punish you 386 00:17:54,072 --> 00:17:55,160 or we'll do coke in the bathroom 387 00:17:55,204 --> 00:17:56,727 while we're telling you not to. 388 00:17:56,770 --> 00:17:58,685 - The rules are like, don't do drugs, don't be a slut, 389 00:17:58,729 --> 00:18:02,733 don't be a crude young ass 390 00:18:02,776 --> 00:18:05,649 and don't let kids drown on your watch. 391 00:18:05,692 --> 00:18:08,347 - Our next movie is "Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter" 392 00:18:08,391 --> 00:18:10,697 an immoral and reprehensible piece of trash 393 00:18:10,741 --> 00:18:12,917 that sold more tickets on its opening weekend 394 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,485 than any other movie so far in 1984. 395 00:18:17,008 --> 00:18:18,183 - They offered me part four 396 00:18:18,227 --> 00:18:19,793 and it was called "The Final Chapter" 397 00:18:19,837 --> 00:18:20,707 because they really believed 398 00:18:20,751 --> 00:18:21,882 it was going to be the last one. 399 00:18:21,926 --> 00:18:23,623 It's the Frankenstein syndrome. 400 00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:26,365 I created Jason, now I'm going to kill him. 401 00:18:26,409 --> 00:18:29,151 - That's where Jason was really, he became Jason. 402 00:18:29,194 --> 00:18:33,285 He had the mask in three, he had the motive in two, 403 00:18:33,329 --> 00:18:36,070 but it wasn't until four that he became the Jason 404 00:18:36,114 --> 00:18:38,290 that we know and love today. 405 00:18:38,334 --> 00:18:40,901 That's where he was the strong, silent type. 406 00:18:40,945 --> 00:18:43,861 That's where he was almost animal-like, 407 00:18:43,904 --> 00:18:46,037 that's where the kills got really 408 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,996 ratcheted up to disgusting levels. 409 00:18:54,393 --> 00:18:58,049 - Jason, first and foremost, for me 410 00:18:58,092 --> 00:19:00,921 is just watching these escalations. 411 00:19:00,965 --> 00:19:03,489 It's watching these kills get crazier. 412 00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:05,883 He fills that junk foodie popcorn hole in my heart. 413 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:11,584 - Jason is special to people because I think he represents 414 00:19:11,628 --> 00:19:14,283 sort of the id of the audience. 415 00:19:14,326 --> 00:19:16,241 When we're on line in the supermarket 416 00:19:16,285 --> 00:19:18,200 or at the department of motor vehicles 417 00:19:18,243 --> 00:19:20,419 and there's someone slowing up the process, 418 00:19:20,463 --> 00:19:22,421 you feel like just taking out a machete 419 00:19:22,465 --> 00:19:24,467 like Jason and just lopping their head off. 420 00:19:26,469 --> 00:19:28,514 - I think Jason's simplicity as a character 421 00:19:28,558 --> 00:19:31,169 is kind of what attracts a lot of fans to him. 422 00:19:31,213 --> 00:19:35,129 What is appealing is his power, Jason is unstoppable, 423 00:19:35,173 --> 00:19:37,306 you know, he cannot be reasoned with, you know, 424 00:19:37,349 --> 00:19:39,482 he's just going to come in and do what he does. 425 00:19:39,525 --> 00:19:42,224 - In a sense, Jason's getting bigger and bigger. 426 00:19:43,921 --> 00:19:45,923 I think that we love to see this kind of behavior 427 00:19:45,966 --> 00:19:47,272 and we like to watch it. 428 00:19:47,316 --> 00:19:48,969 - When I think about the arrow through the throat 429 00:19:49,013 --> 00:19:52,712 or Jason's face sliding down the machete. 430 00:19:52,756 --> 00:19:54,975 Those really stick with me. 431 00:19:55,019 --> 00:19:58,501 And Jason is, I guess, the avatar for all that. 432 00:20:02,156 --> 00:20:05,334 - This film offers 90 minutes of teenagers being strangled, 433 00:20:05,377 --> 00:20:07,597 stabbed, impaled, chopped up, and mutilated. 434 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,341 That's all this movie is, is just mindless bloody violence. 435 00:20:13,777 --> 00:20:15,082 - Probably the biggest thing that critics hated 436 00:20:15,126 --> 00:20:18,347 is that it was focusing on death and brutality 437 00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:20,566 and these gross effects and people dying 438 00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:22,481 and they didn't understand for kids it was fun, 439 00:20:22,525 --> 00:20:24,091 it was like a magic trick. 440 00:20:24,135 --> 00:20:27,007 - Jason Voorhees is dead, his body was cremated. 441 00:20:27,051 --> 00:20:28,966 He's nothing but a handful of ash. 442 00:20:29,009 --> 00:20:30,750 - In "Friday Five: A New Beginning", 443 00:20:30,794 --> 00:20:33,318 Jason was Ash, he was dead, there was nothing left, 444 00:20:33,362 --> 00:20:35,364 but the killings keep on going on. 445 00:20:35,407 --> 00:20:37,104 So then that's when people start to question, 446 00:20:37,148 --> 00:20:38,584 is Jason really dead? 447 00:20:38,628 --> 00:20:41,065 - Part five is the mystery, is Jason back or not? 448 00:20:41,108 --> 00:20:43,763 Of course they had the pseudo Jason in there, 449 00:20:43,807 --> 00:20:45,678 which did not sit well with a lot of fans. 450 00:20:45,722 --> 00:20:47,985 They wanted the real thing or nothing else. 451 00:20:48,028 --> 00:20:49,639 They didn't want someone running around 452 00:20:49,682 --> 00:20:50,901 pretending to be Jason. 453 00:20:57,124 --> 00:20:58,604 - Frank Mancuso Jr. has been honest about it as like, 454 00:20:58,648 --> 00:21:01,433 you know, they really meant Jason was going to be over. 455 00:21:01,477 --> 00:21:03,305 I mean "Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter" was it. 456 00:21:03,348 --> 00:21:06,003 Jason's dead, we're done with this, he was over it. 457 00:21:06,046 --> 00:21:07,657 And Paramount was like, "Ugh, it made so much money, 458 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:08,919 can you please do another one?" 459 00:21:08,962 --> 00:21:10,964 So they came up with the imposter Jason. 460 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:17,275 - We found this on Roy. 461 00:21:18,972 --> 00:21:23,586 I guess he used the Jason thing to cover up with. 462 00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:26,893 - Guy in a hockey mask, that's going to work, 463 00:21:26,937 --> 00:21:29,766 it's an imposter, who cares if it's not Jason? 464 00:21:29,809 --> 00:21:31,724 I don't think they realized how big 465 00:21:31,768 --> 00:21:33,335 Jason had become at that point. 466 00:21:41,952 --> 00:21:45,129 - I really tried to make Jason a Little different 467 00:21:45,172 --> 00:21:46,609 from the other ones purely because 468 00:21:46,652 --> 00:21:48,828 we're bringing him back from the dead 469 00:21:48,872 --> 00:21:52,136 and I had just had that little bit of Frankenstein in me. 470 00:21:52,179 --> 00:21:55,357 He's got a goal and he's going for it 471 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,794 and anything in his way, it's going down. 472 00:21:57,837 --> 00:21:59,491 - And my favorite scene is my first time 473 00:21:59,535 --> 00:22:01,101 I got to put the wardrobe on. 474 00:22:01,145 --> 00:22:03,147 You see the motor home behind it rocking. 475 00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:06,019 He turns and looks at it and tilts his head a little bit 476 00:22:06,063 --> 00:22:07,325 and starts walking towards it. 477 00:22:10,633 --> 00:22:11,764 The one thing about the head tilt, 478 00:22:11,808 --> 00:22:13,810 you have to understand, it's not huge. 479 00:22:13,853 --> 00:22:18,075 It's just a curiosity, just enough. 480 00:22:19,468 --> 00:22:21,165 That was the coolest day, 481 00:22:21,208 --> 00:22:23,036 not knowing what it would become today. 482 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,690 - He's the junk food, Jason's junk food to me 483 00:22:24,734 --> 00:22:27,911 and I love that and you know, junk food tastes great. 484 00:22:27,954 --> 00:22:29,739 - Yeah, fuck you, Jason. 485 00:22:29,782 --> 00:22:31,349 - Jason really comes online for me 486 00:22:31,393 --> 00:22:34,352 as like a character at "Jason Lives." 487 00:22:37,137 --> 00:22:39,966 It's when he's struck by a bolt of fucking lightning, 488 00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:43,187 resurrected from the dead that I was just like, 489 00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:44,275 "Yeah!" 490 00:22:44,318 --> 00:22:45,842 I loved zombie Jason. 491 00:22:45,885 --> 00:22:47,931 And the fact that he looks like a Fulci zombie, 492 00:22:47,974 --> 00:22:50,412 you know, I mean, all of that is just, love it. 493 00:22:50,455 --> 00:22:53,327 - Jason ran until he was a zombie, you know, 494 00:22:53,371 --> 00:22:55,678 he ran until part six, where he stopped running 495 00:22:55,721 --> 00:22:57,593 and kind of just started walking fast. 496 00:23:01,814 --> 00:23:03,468 - With "Friday the 13th", 497 00:23:03,512 --> 00:23:07,516 every one feels so vastly different from the prior one. 498 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:10,257 But at the same time, they all feel the same. 499 00:23:10,301 --> 00:23:12,434 And none of them really seem to know where 500 00:23:12,477 --> 00:23:14,697 the next one is going, it really feels like they're just 501 00:23:14,740 --> 00:23:16,263 kind of flying by the seat of their pants going, 502 00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:18,657 "Okay, wait, okay, we killed, how do we bring him back?" 503 00:23:18,701 --> 00:23:20,398 - I went in and I really liked Frank 504 00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:23,009 and we started talking and I said, 505 00:23:23,053 --> 00:23:25,098 "Any chance I could put comedy in this?" 506 00:23:25,142 --> 00:23:26,752 And he goes, "What do you mean?" 507 00:23:26,796 --> 00:23:28,319 And I said, "I just want the kids to have a sense of humor. 508 00:23:28,362 --> 00:23:29,842 I mean, this is the sixth one." 509 00:23:29,886 --> 00:23:31,278 And he goes, "Just don't make fun of Jason." 510 00:23:31,322 --> 00:23:32,758 I go, "I won't." 511 00:23:32,802 --> 00:23:35,457 - That's why it was such a revitalization, 512 00:23:37,154 --> 00:23:38,372 because it knew what it was 513 00:23:38,416 --> 00:23:40,331 and it had fun with what it was. 514 00:23:42,725 --> 00:23:45,902 - It puts part six on a special shelf. 515 00:23:45,945 --> 00:23:47,425 I'm the only Jason that's fortunate enough 516 00:23:47,469 --> 00:23:49,209 to have a Rock and Roll Hall of Famer, 517 00:23:49,253 --> 00:23:50,776 Alice Cooper, do the music. 518 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:52,517 - Let me explain. 519 00:23:52,561 --> 00:23:54,911 - We got Alice Cooper, you know, I'm a rock and roller, 520 00:23:54,954 --> 00:23:57,914 so I, you know, the temp track was all these rock songs 521 00:23:57,957 --> 00:24:00,525 coupled with Alice and then, you know, 522 00:24:00,569 --> 00:24:02,309 suddenly Frank said to me, 523 00:24:02,353 --> 00:24:04,137 "How would you like to have Alice actually write a song?" 524 00:24:04,181 --> 00:24:06,226 I go, "Shit, that'd be great." 525 00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:07,924 - Something to know about Tom McLoughlin is that 526 00:24:07,967 --> 00:24:10,840 he is a musician and he has a punk band 527 00:24:10,883 --> 00:24:14,757 and you can see him kind of take that punk metal edge 528 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,455 and apply it to "Friday the 13th Six" 529 00:24:17,499 --> 00:24:20,589 because he inherently understood that the things 530 00:24:20,632 --> 00:24:24,157 that the audience comes for, that essential DNA, 531 00:24:24,201 --> 00:24:26,246 the camp, Jason, the counselors, 532 00:24:26,290 --> 00:24:28,988 that doesn't necessarily need to change, 533 00:24:29,032 --> 00:24:31,687 but by filtering it through that punk rock lens, 534 00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:33,602 he gave it an edge. 535 00:24:33,645 --> 00:24:34,864 - Woo, yeah! 536 00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:36,082 - Everything lined up perfectly 537 00:24:36,126 --> 00:24:37,519 and I just really love that movie. 538 00:24:37,562 --> 00:24:38,868 I can still hear the soundtrack. 539 00:24:38,911 --> 00:24:40,870 - Jake, listen to this. Woo. 540 00:24:44,787 --> 00:24:47,180 - Alice Cooper and Jason Voorhees go together 541 00:24:47,224 --> 00:24:49,792 like heavy metal and horror. 542 00:24:49,835 --> 00:24:53,012 - The things he did were like totally expanding 543 00:24:53,056 --> 00:24:55,885 "Friday the 13th" horizons. 544 00:24:55,928 --> 00:24:58,844 - We got a lot of decent reviews because we had fun with it 545 00:24:58,888 --> 00:25:02,500 and it was also a great thrill, especially for the studio, 546 00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:05,416 who didn't think that was ever going to happen. 547 00:25:05,459 --> 00:25:09,725 - They say he died as a boy, but he keeps coming back. 548 00:25:12,641 --> 00:25:14,947 - John Buechler left a message 549 00:25:14,991 --> 00:25:17,994 on my now wife's answering machine saying, 550 00:25:18,037 --> 00:25:22,476 "Yeah, this is John, I have a message for Mr. Voorhees." 551 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,305 And I knew that at that time that I got it. 552 00:25:25,349 --> 00:25:28,178 I was just out of my mind with excitement. 553 00:25:28,221 --> 00:25:30,702 The thing that I try to explain to people 554 00:25:30,746 --> 00:25:35,533 is just imagine that you're a fan of a character 555 00:25:36,882 --> 00:25:39,537 and then suddenly you're in the position 556 00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:41,844 that you're being told you may play this character. 557 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,674 - Part seven though, I like when he steps out of the water 558 00:25:45,717 --> 00:25:47,980 and he's got that, those exposed bones in his back, 559 00:25:48,024 --> 00:25:49,025 he's just like rotting away. 560 00:25:49,068 --> 00:25:50,113 That's pretty cool. 561 00:25:50,156 --> 00:25:51,549 - Yeah, I'm in on that. 562 00:25:53,464 --> 00:25:56,336 Jason's whole face gets more and more grotesque 563 00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:58,121 and almost like professional wrestlery 564 00:25:58,164 --> 00:25:59,383 as it goes on. - Yes. 565 00:25:59,426 --> 00:26:00,558 - Like into the Kane Hodder years, 566 00:26:00,602 --> 00:26:02,299 where they're sensationalizing it 567 00:26:02,342 --> 00:26:04,693 probably more than it needs to done. 568 00:26:04,736 --> 00:26:06,912 - Once I did get the job before we started shooting, 569 00:26:06,956 --> 00:26:09,872 watched all the movies again 570 00:26:09,915 --> 00:26:13,571 and just to see what I liked that certain people did 571 00:26:13,615 --> 00:26:15,747 and what I think they could have done better. 572 00:26:15,791 --> 00:26:17,662 And then trying to think, 573 00:26:17,706 --> 00:26:20,317 "What could I do that, in my opinion, 574 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,885 would make it look more interesting." 575 00:26:22,928 --> 00:26:27,019 I put the makeup on for a test at John Buechler's shop. 576 00:26:27,063 --> 00:26:29,369 I went in the mirror for half an hour, 577 00:26:29,413 --> 00:26:31,241 that's where I came up with the breathing. 578 00:26:32,938 --> 00:26:34,592 Even though he's not doing anything but breathing 579 00:26:34,636 --> 00:26:36,115 and staring at you, 580 00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:37,726 he looks like he could just explode at any moment. 581 00:26:40,293 --> 00:26:43,122 - I saw that in the movie theater when I was a teenager 582 00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:46,256 and the screaming and the cheer, you know, 583 00:26:46,299 --> 00:26:47,474 that whole visceral experience, like, 584 00:26:47,518 --> 00:26:50,129 "Get her, get her, oh my God", you know. 585 00:26:55,221 --> 00:26:56,527 What's that going to do? 586 00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:57,702 But it really deter him for a second 587 00:26:57,746 --> 00:26:59,312 and seemed to really frustrate him, 588 00:26:59,356 --> 00:27:02,402 'cause he couldn't get her out of the sleeping bag. 589 00:27:02,446 --> 00:27:03,534 And then he said, "Oh, fuck it." 590 00:27:08,626 --> 00:27:10,759 It was very, very satisfying. 591 00:27:10,802 --> 00:27:12,717 There's so many that are very satisfying. 592 00:27:12,761 --> 00:27:14,197 - Kane, you know, really took 593 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,765 a methody approach to the character. 594 00:27:16,808 --> 00:27:19,289 He freaked out most of his co-stars 595 00:27:19,332 --> 00:27:20,725 'cause he would remain in character 596 00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:23,293 when the cameras weren't rolling. 597 00:27:23,336 --> 00:27:25,730 He would do these great breathing exercises 598 00:27:25,774 --> 00:27:28,211 to puff out his chest and really make him 599 00:27:28,254 --> 00:27:30,692 this unstoppable Terminator of horror. 600 00:27:32,432 --> 00:27:34,783 - I wish I could understand how I feel about that franchise. 601 00:27:34,826 --> 00:27:36,567 Some people go to a house of worship, 602 00:27:36,610 --> 00:27:38,264 some people go to the house of Jason. 603 00:27:38,308 --> 00:27:39,788 And it's a weird thing because what he's doing 604 00:27:39,831 --> 00:27:42,138 hasn't got much personality, you know, 605 00:27:42,181 --> 00:27:44,270 the most personality we get is in the way he moves. 606 00:27:44,314 --> 00:27:47,099 - Without having to say anything, 607 00:27:47,143 --> 00:27:48,448 without having to make threats, 608 00:27:48,492 --> 00:27:50,059 without having to make one-liners. 609 00:27:50,102 --> 00:27:52,670 That is just scary on a core level. 610 00:27:52,714 --> 00:27:54,890 - Yo, man, it's cool, man, it's cool. 611 00:27:56,805 --> 00:27:57,762 - I never told this story. 612 00:27:57,806 --> 00:28:00,069 When we were in Times Square, 613 00:28:00,112 --> 00:28:01,505 I would never take the mask off 614 00:28:01,548 --> 00:28:04,029 because I didn't want to destroy the illusion. 615 00:28:04,073 --> 00:28:07,293 So in order to do that, I had to go down an alley, 616 00:28:07,337 --> 00:28:09,034 had the mask off, I put it on a trashcan 617 00:28:09,078 --> 00:28:10,819 and I was drinking something 618 00:28:10,862 --> 00:28:13,430 and a guy came by and tried to grab it 619 00:28:13,473 --> 00:28:15,432 and I grabbed him and I was like, 620 00:28:15,475 --> 00:28:17,173 "You don't take my fucking mask." 621 00:28:19,566 --> 00:28:21,090 - Somewhere out there, there's a guy 622 00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:23,179 still trying to figure out how Jason 623 00:28:23,222 --> 00:28:26,748 got from Manhattan back to Crystal Lake. 624 00:28:26,791 --> 00:28:29,576 - So it was imposter Jason, and it was Jason as a zombie, 625 00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:31,883 then it was telekinetic Tina against Jason 626 00:28:31,927 --> 00:28:33,667 and then it was Jason goes on a boat to Manhattan. 627 00:28:33,711 --> 00:28:35,104 - Seven is "The New Blood", 628 00:28:35,147 --> 00:28:36,322 eight is "Jason Takes Manhattan", 629 00:28:36,366 --> 00:28:37,846 nine is "Jason Goes to Hell". 630 00:28:37,889 --> 00:28:38,977 - High speed, Otis. - Oh, what the hell is six? 631 00:28:39,021 --> 00:28:41,110 - Yo, the new "Friday the 13th" movie. 632 00:28:41,153 --> 00:28:43,547 "Friday the 13th Part 1,649." 633 00:28:44,896 --> 00:28:46,855 - When it comes to, you know, sequels 634 00:28:46,898 --> 00:28:49,727 and developing an actual franchise of horror, 635 00:28:49,771 --> 00:28:50,989 that's the way that you can ensure 636 00:28:51,033 --> 00:28:53,078 that you have an iconic villain. 637 00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:55,777 Even if they are a little bit under drawn, 638 00:28:55,820 --> 00:28:57,343 like Jason Voorhees, 639 00:28:57,387 --> 00:28:58,910 they may still live in the consciousness 640 00:28:58,954 --> 00:29:01,478 if you have them seen enough. 641 00:29:01,521 --> 00:29:04,611 It's kind of like listening to a pop hit on the radio 642 00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:06,700 and you're like, "I don't really care about this." 643 00:29:06,744 --> 00:29:08,790 And then after four hours of a road trip 644 00:29:08,833 --> 00:29:09,965 and you hear it so many times, you're like, 645 00:29:10,008 --> 00:29:11,357 "Well, I'm its biggest fan." 646 00:29:11,401 --> 00:29:14,578 - After it became more evident that Jason 647 00:29:14,621 --> 00:29:16,841 was becoming part of pop culture, 648 00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:20,845 but not at the expense of the terror, 649 00:29:20,889 --> 00:29:23,108 which was good in my mind, 650 00:29:23,152 --> 00:29:25,981 I got a call from the "Arsenio Hall Show." 651 00:29:26,024 --> 00:29:27,896 - Please welcome Jason. 652 00:29:32,509 --> 00:29:34,163 How are you? 653 00:29:38,341 --> 00:29:41,257 - He interviewed me and I stayed in character 654 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:43,563 but I grab his hand and I pull him towards me 655 00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:45,174 'cause I wanted to scare him 656 00:29:45,217 --> 00:29:46,871 and he just about shit. 657 00:29:49,352 --> 00:29:51,310 - Jason, ladies and gentleman. 658 00:29:51,354 --> 00:29:53,095 - Arsenio Hall was an institution at the time, 659 00:29:53,138 --> 00:29:54,748 so all of that started to blend in 660 00:29:54,792 --> 00:29:57,882 with the pop figure that was Jason. 661 00:29:57,926 --> 00:29:59,710 - The MTV Lifetime Achievement Award 662 00:29:59,753 --> 00:30:01,538 honors the underappreciated careers 663 00:30:01,581 --> 00:30:03,105 of people like this next performer, 664 00:30:03,148 --> 00:30:05,150 a gentleman who has had a tremendous impact 665 00:30:05,194 --> 00:30:08,632 on the cinematic art form, Mr. Jason Voorhees. 666 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:25,910 - They've been leaked into pop culture. 667 00:30:25,954 --> 00:30:28,521 - A life-size replica of the notorious 668 00:30:28,565 --> 00:30:32,351 horror film star sits at the bottom of Lake Pleasant. 669 00:30:32,395 --> 00:30:34,310 - They are in other films 670 00:30:34,353 --> 00:30:35,964 that have nothing to do with horror. 671 00:30:36,007 --> 00:30:38,662 - Vicky, the kids have never seen "Friday the 13th", 672 00:30:38,705 --> 00:30:40,533 part one or two. 673 00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:41,839 - Oh, my God. 674 00:30:41,883 --> 00:30:42,535 - He's kidding, he's a kidder. 675 00:30:45,887 --> 00:30:47,584 - Hey Griswold. 676 00:30:47,627 --> 00:30:50,065 Where do you think you're going to put a tree that big? 677 00:30:51,631 --> 00:30:53,242 - Bend over and I'll show you. 678 00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:57,420 - They are in music, there's lyrics in so many rap songs 679 00:30:57,463 --> 00:30:59,857 that reference horror movies. 680 00:30:59,901 --> 00:31:01,380 - You started seeing Jason in commercials 681 00:31:01,424 --> 00:31:03,078 like in Radio Shack. 682 00:31:03,121 --> 00:31:07,256 - Oh, it's, it's a key. Kind of looks like my house key. 683 00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:12,522 - He's a real monster, unstoppable, you know, 684 00:31:12,565 --> 00:31:14,306 you can shoot him, you can stab him, 685 00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:16,526 you can do whatever, he's going to keep on coming. 686 00:31:21,531 --> 00:31:23,925 - What if you take this killer who's been 687 00:31:23,968 --> 00:31:26,971 in a kind of a time capsule for hundreds of years, 688 00:31:27,015 --> 00:31:31,497 place him in a futuristic society that has different ideals. 689 00:31:31,541 --> 00:31:34,196 You know, he kind of represents don't do drugs, 690 00:31:34,239 --> 00:31:35,719 don't have sex, all that kind of stuff. 691 00:31:35,762 --> 00:31:37,939 Like the best part is when he's on a holiday, 692 00:31:37,982 --> 00:31:40,071 you know, and he's just like taking the girls 693 00:31:40,115 --> 00:31:42,856 in the sleeping bag and just smashing them against the tree. 694 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,990 It just goes to show that Jason will never change. 695 00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:48,297 - I, believe it or not, really liked 696 00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:50,908 when Jason went to outer space. 697 00:31:50,952 --> 00:31:53,389 I think that sort of cryogenic frozen kill 698 00:31:53,432 --> 00:31:56,348 that they do where the person's shattered, that's genius. 699 00:31:56,392 --> 00:31:58,437 - It's so quintessentially Jason 700 00:31:58,481 --> 00:32:02,964 because we see the elements in play and to build they did, 701 00:32:03,007 --> 00:32:05,575 it was so much like being on a roller coaster. 702 00:32:05,618 --> 00:32:06,663 We know something's going to happen, 703 00:32:06,706 --> 00:32:08,708 we're not sure where. 704 00:32:08,752 --> 00:32:10,275 Having that scene build, we're like, 705 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,886 "Is this going where we think it's going?" 706 00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:17,152 - Head, liquid nitrogen, on the table smash. 707 00:32:19,502 --> 00:32:21,547 I loved that moment. 708 00:32:21,591 --> 00:32:23,114 - That's classic Voorhees. 709 00:32:23,158 --> 00:32:25,638 - He had to smash people's brains open in space. 710 00:32:25,682 --> 00:32:26,726 It wasn't easy to do. 711 00:32:28,728 --> 00:32:30,034 He had a kickass fricking mask. 712 00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:32,210 - I thought it looked cool as hell. 713 00:32:32,254 --> 00:32:36,519 My eyes looked so bizarre with the red lenses 714 00:32:36,562 --> 00:32:39,000 and with that silver looking mask. 715 00:32:39,043 --> 00:32:41,002 - It's a real fun, fast-paced little movie 716 00:32:41,045 --> 00:32:44,266 that I think deserves better than what it's received. 717 00:32:45,789 --> 00:32:47,051 - I'm not a huge fan of that one 718 00:32:47,095 --> 00:32:48,705 because I think once you get him into space, 719 00:32:48,748 --> 00:32:50,054 he does pretty much the same stuff 720 00:32:50,098 --> 00:32:51,882 that he did down at Crystal Lake. 721 00:32:53,275 --> 00:32:56,626 - It's like a sci-fi horror movie, kind of. 722 00:32:56,669 --> 00:33:00,499 Try to buy, "Oh, he's like resurrected in space." 723 00:33:00,543 --> 00:33:03,459 But by then I was kind of off the boat, you know. 724 00:33:03,502 --> 00:33:04,764 It gets to the point where it gets to like, 725 00:33:04,808 --> 00:33:06,505 "Okay, how many times are you going to die? 726 00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:08,377 How many times are you going to come back to life? 727 00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:10,727 How are we going to like justify it 728 00:33:10,770 --> 00:33:12,859 after a while, you know?" 729 00:33:12,903 --> 00:33:15,993 - Can it go beyond just a Jason movie for the hardcore fans? 730 00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:18,865 Can they open it up to a more mainstream audience again? 731 00:33:18,909 --> 00:33:20,302 "Freddy Versus Jason" did that 732 00:33:20,345 --> 00:33:21,651 because it was like a hoot movie, right? 733 00:33:21,694 --> 00:33:23,000 It was like, it was like wrestling. 734 00:33:28,484 --> 00:33:30,703 - Why won't you die? 735 00:33:30,747 --> 00:33:32,357 - I remember seeing the trailer for "Freddy Versus Jason" 736 00:33:32,401 --> 00:33:33,793 in the theater and people were just cheering. 737 00:33:33,837 --> 00:33:35,317 And even people, my friends who don't even 738 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,753 like those movies, were like, "Oh, that's hilarious." 739 00:33:36,796 --> 00:33:38,363 Like, "I would go see that, 'cause it seems like fun." 740 00:33:38,407 --> 00:33:40,409 But that's a one-off, you can't do that again. 741 00:33:40,452 --> 00:33:42,193 - I love "Freddy Versus Jason." 742 00:33:42,237 --> 00:33:44,326 It's just a fun film. 743 00:33:44,369 --> 00:33:46,980 I love watching monsters fight monsters 744 00:33:47,024 --> 00:33:48,982 and so as a fan, like yeah, 745 00:33:49,026 --> 00:33:51,376 we definitely need a "Freddy Versus Jason". 746 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:53,552 I had a blast with it, seeing it in theaters 747 00:33:53,596 --> 00:33:56,120 at the time period and it was just an absolute trip. 748 00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:57,774 And it's one that I still love revisiting 749 00:33:57,817 --> 00:33:59,254 because I think it's so much fun. 750 00:33:59,297 --> 00:34:01,125 - Sold out crowd, midnight audience. 751 00:34:01,169 --> 00:34:02,953 I was like, "This audience is hot, 752 00:34:02,996 --> 00:34:04,781 they are ready to have fun." 753 00:34:04,824 --> 00:34:06,348 - I love this. - And I went, 754 00:34:06,391 --> 00:34:10,743 "Who wants Freddy to win? Yell real loud." 755 00:34:10,787 --> 00:34:12,528 - They missed a huge opportunity 756 00:34:12,571 --> 00:34:15,357 to not do like a wedding bride and groom, 757 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,011 sit on this side if you're for Jason and Freddy. 758 00:34:18,055 --> 00:34:19,535 In fact, they should have called the movie 759 00:34:19,578 --> 00:34:21,189 either "Freddy Versus Jason" or "Jason Versus Freddy", 760 00:34:21,232 --> 00:34:22,625 depending on which ticket you buy, 761 00:34:22,668 --> 00:34:24,888 like an ending to the original Clue. 762 00:34:27,717 --> 00:34:30,589 - "Freddy Versus Jason" is pretty much 763 00:34:30,633 --> 00:34:34,115 the greatest combination it could have possibly been. 764 00:34:36,856 --> 00:34:40,164 When I saw it like opening night, I was just so stoked. 765 00:34:40,208 --> 00:34:42,079 I was like, "This has everything." 766 00:34:42,123 --> 00:34:43,733 Like they, I knew they paid attention 767 00:34:43,776 --> 00:34:46,431 because they've got so much of the little details right. 768 00:34:46,475 --> 00:34:49,217 And I was just like, "This is a perfect combo, 769 00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:51,610 thank you, I love this movie forever." 770 00:34:51,654 --> 00:34:52,872 - Putting them together, 771 00:34:52,916 --> 00:34:54,309 it's like peanut butter and chocolate, 772 00:34:54,352 --> 00:34:56,006 but in a horror movie. 773 00:34:56,049 --> 00:34:58,182 You're like, "What? This is delicious in my horror brain." 774 00:34:58,226 --> 00:34:59,966 - It was so satisfying when you finally 775 00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:01,359 get to the insanity of "Freddy Versus Jason", 776 00:35:01,403 --> 00:35:03,056 because these are two characters 777 00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:04,580 that you've grown up watching 778 00:35:04,623 --> 00:35:06,103 and comparing your favorite kills. 779 00:35:06,147 --> 00:35:08,192 We are seeing Freddy, dream warriors, 780 00:35:08,236 --> 00:35:12,153 the syringes that go for the gaping mouths, the vein puppet. 781 00:35:12,196 --> 00:35:16,809 Jason, where he freezes someone and then he smashes them. 782 00:35:16,853 --> 00:35:18,202 It knows what its fans wants. 783 00:35:18,246 --> 00:35:20,596 It's delicious fan service, 784 00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:22,206 it's just giving me more of what I need. 785 00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:24,382 - It was a huge hit opening weekend. 786 00:35:24,426 --> 00:35:26,515 I think it did more in its first weekend 787 00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:27,820 than all but a couple of the films 788 00:35:27,864 --> 00:35:29,605 had done in their entire runs. 789 00:35:29,648 --> 00:35:31,563 Just the promise of seeing them together 790 00:35:31,607 --> 00:35:33,739 was what really attracted a lot of people. 791 00:35:35,088 --> 00:35:38,875 - That's a low point in my career. 792 00:35:38,918 --> 00:35:41,791 I was, I had a meeting at New Line 793 00:35:41,834 --> 00:35:45,403 and was given the script and told I was doing the movie. 794 00:35:45,447 --> 00:35:48,450 So then when I was replaced, 795 00:35:48,493 --> 00:35:52,193 that's far more difficult to handle. 796 00:35:52,236 --> 00:35:55,152 I wished it was me, but you know, I still had to see it. 797 00:35:55,196 --> 00:35:57,285 I love the franchise, I got to go see it, 798 00:35:57,328 --> 00:36:00,636 I got to see Jason and Freddy battle. 799 00:36:02,855 --> 00:36:04,117 - We can't just kill her, that's not evil enough. 800 00:36:04,161 --> 00:36:06,511 - What do you mean? We cut out her eyeball. 801 00:36:06,555 --> 00:36:08,513 - Yeah, that's super hardcore. 802 00:36:08,557 --> 00:36:10,950 - I don't get it, they should be here by now. 803 00:36:10,994 --> 00:36:12,909 - Ah, what are you going to do? 804 00:36:12,952 --> 00:36:17,653 - I have my own action figure, that's absolutely outrageous. 805 00:36:18,654 --> 00:36:20,221 - You know, I was thinking about 806 00:36:20,264 --> 00:36:23,224 why I have so many Jason toys because it's ridiculous. 807 00:36:23,267 --> 00:36:24,442 - With you in this costume, 808 00:36:24,486 --> 00:36:26,531 it'll be easy to keep an eye on you 809 00:36:26,575 --> 00:36:28,707 'cause nobody wants to be Jason on Halloween. 810 00:36:28,751 --> 00:36:30,274 - Yes they do, 811 00:36:30,318 --> 00:36:32,798 it's like the most popular costume of all time. 812 00:36:32,842 --> 00:36:35,018 - Look, man, I'm there with you buying them, 813 00:36:35,061 --> 00:36:37,238 but it does make you reflect on it a little bit 814 00:36:37,281 --> 00:36:39,936 when you're like, "Well, 815 00:36:39,979 --> 00:36:41,894 the messaging of these movies is something different." 816 00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:51,077 - Every great band makes one album too many. 817 00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:53,297 You could say that about every horror franchise, 818 00:36:53,341 --> 00:36:54,951 there's always one sequel too many 819 00:36:54,994 --> 00:36:57,432 and that's when you realize, "Okay, we've gone too far." 820 00:37:02,393 --> 00:37:04,308 - I was not overly thrilled with the remake. 821 00:37:04,352 --> 00:37:06,310 I think it's very professionally done. 822 00:37:06,354 --> 00:37:08,051 You have the origin story, 823 00:37:08,094 --> 00:37:10,401 you have elements of two, is the wild man 824 00:37:10,445 --> 00:37:12,925 living in the woods, you have the hockey mask from three, 825 00:37:12,969 --> 00:37:15,145 you have some stuff from "Final Chapter" in there. 826 00:37:15,188 --> 00:37:17,365 - In a sense it is taking you like the first three films 827 00:37:17,408 --> 00:37:19,671 and making something new out of it. 828 00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:21,325 But the character was different 829 00:37:21,369 --> 00:37:24,023 where they made him a survivalist. 830 00:37:24,067 --> 00:37:26,287 Where, what would it be like if someone 831 00:37:26,330 --> 00:37:29,028 were living in the wilderness by themselves? 832 00:37:29,072 --> 00:37:32,423 Each of these kills was almost like these kids 833 00:37:32,467 --> 00:37:35,165 were the ones who just right now 834 00:37:35,208 --> 00:37:37,254 killed his mother so many years ago. 835 00:37:39,474 --> 00:37:42,259 Adding that deeper drive of emotion and purpose, 836 00:37:42,303 --> 00:37:45,001 we understand the passion behind the kills. 837 00:37:48,047 --> 00:37:50,136 - I think one of the things that makes the remake work 838 00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:53,488 is Derek Mears, he's another guy who loves the character. 839 00:37:53,531 --> 00:37:55,098 You know, this was not a job for him, 840 00:37:55,141 --> 00:37:58,362 he really loved getting into Jason's boots, as it were, 841 00:37:58,406 --> 00:38:00,756 and really tearing it up as in the role. 842 00:38:00,799 --> 00:38:02,932 I think the fans would embrace seeing Derek back 843 00:38:02,975 --> 00:38:04,673 in that part if they did another film. 844 00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:05,413 - Action. 845 00:38:07,197 --> 00:38:08,938 - The "Friday the 13th" video game comes out 846 00:38:08,981 --> 00:38:12,245 and they bring back Kane Hodder to be Jason again, 847 00:38:12,289 --> 00:38:14,204 which is exciting because we haven't seen 848 00:38:14,247 --> 00:38:17,338 Kane's Jason kill for 11 years. 849 00:38:17,381 --> 00:38:20,036 - You look at that video game that was done by Gun Media, 850 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,081 where they're literally taking that whole environment 851 00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:26,172 and making it into a competitive realm. 852 00:38:29,828 --> 00:38:32,614 It's been totally elevated to a new level. 853 00:38:32,657 --> 00:38:33,919 - The "Friday the 13th" video game, 854 00:38:33,963 --> 00:38:35,573 one player gets to be Jason, it's random, 855 00:38:35,617 --> 00:38:37,096 the other eight are counselors. 856 00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:39,316 If you die early and I often do, 857 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,406 you can quit and go find a new match 858 00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:44,756 or you can sit and watch everybody else. 859 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,845 I have never quit, I will watch 860 00:38:46,889 --> 00:38:50,371 because I am getting this little 15, 20 minute Jason movie 861 00:38:50,414 --> 00:38:51,807 with a legit Jason. 862 00:38:53,896 --> 00:38:55,767 - I like to play as a counselor, 863 00:38:55,811 --> 00:38:58,335 see if I can kill that son of a bitch. 864 00:38:58,379 --> 00:39:00,685 And I have yet to do it. 865 00:39:00,729 --> 00:39:01,947 - I'm getting the chase, 866 00:39:01,991 --> 00:39:03,209 I'm getting Jason bursting through a door. 867 00:39:03,253 --> 00:39:04,428 - No! 868 00:39:04,472 --> 00:39:06,038 - And I'm getting a new kill 869 00:39:06,082 --> 00:39:09,477 and I haven't gotten a new kill in 11 years now, you know. 870 00:39:13,698 --> 00:39:16,048 - The current state of the "Friday the 13th" franchise, 871 00:39:16,092 --> 00:39:17,136 it's in legal limbo. 872 00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:19,443 Writers, after 35 years, can go 873 00:39:19,487 --> 00:39:21,271 and claim rights to their screenplay, 874 00:39:21,314 --> 00:39:22,968 so that's exactly what happened. 875 00:39:23,012 --> 00:39:25,014 Victor Miller decided to try to reclaim his rights 876 00:39:25,057 --> 00:39:26,319 for writing the first "Friday the 13th", 877 00:39:26,363 --> 00:39:27,973 including the rights to the Jason character. 878 00:39:28,017 --> 00:39:30,846 Sean Cunningham filed a preemptive lawsuit, 879 00:39:30,889 --> 00:39:33,414 the judge has looked at it, it's gone back to appeal, 880 00:39:33,457 --> 00:39:35,154 so right now, no one knows what's going to happen. 881 00:39:35,198 --> 00:39:36,591 But depending on how it's decided, 882 00:39:36,634 --> 00:39:38,723 that could have huge ramifications, 883 00:39:38,767 --> 00:39:41,509 not only for the series, but I believe for horror franchises 884 00:39:41,552 --> 00:39:43,424 in general and franchise characters. 885 00:39:43,467 --> 00:39:46,078 - There are so many legal problems circling right now, 886 00:39:46,122 --> 00:39:49,604 it's a shame that no one can really move forward with it 887 00:39:49,647 --> 00:39:52,258 because it's something that fans are clamoring for. 888 00:39:52,302 --> 00:39:55,523 There was a stretch a couple of years ago where every 889 00:39:55,566 --> 00:39:59,918 horror writer in Hollywood pitched on "Friday the 13th." 890 00:39:59,962 --> 00:40:03,095 - I was very fortunate to develop a "Friday the 13th" movie 891 00:40:03,139 --> 00:40:05,663 for about a year and a half 892 00:40:05,707 --> 00:40:07,622 with a handful of really talented writers. 893 00:40:07,665 --> 00:40:09,450 Ian Goldberg and Richard Naing wrote a really great script 894 00:40:09,493 --> 00:40:11,147 and then Nick Antosca came in 895 00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:13,105 and did a killer draft on top of that. 896 00:40:13,149 --> 00:40:14,803 It took us back to the summer, 897 00:40:14,846 --> 00:40:16,195 it was very much a campfire tale. 898 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,893 Somebody tells a story about Jason 899 00:40:17,936 --> 00:40:22,419 and they go across the lake to the old Camp Crystal Lake 900 00:40:23,768 --> 00:40:26,292 and they insult Jason's mother, you know, 901 00:40:26,336 --> 00:40:28,381 over what would be her grave, 902 00:40:28,425 --> 00:40:30,514 kind of kidding around, kids being kids 903 00:40:30,558 --> 00:40:33,691 and Jason comes to collect his due. 904 00:40:33,735 --> 00:40:34,910 Yeah, it would have been rad. 905 00:40:34,953 --> 00:40:36,564 - It's become so popular now that the fans 906 00:40:36,607 --> 00:40:38,522 are just waiting for the next segment. 907 00:40:38,566 --> 00:40:39,741 It's been 10 years. 908 00:40:39,784 --> 00:40:41,264 I hope we get moving a little bit. 909 00:40:41,307 --> 00:40:44,006 - I love that the fans of horror, 910 00:40:44,049 --> 00:40:46,748 if we can't deliver the films for it, to hell with it, 911 00:40:46,791 --> 00:40:48,576 they're going to make it themselves. 912 00:40:48,619 --> 00:40:51,143 And that is what has happened with "Friday the 13th." 913 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,938 - You had this whole kind of cottage industry of young 914 00:41:02,981 --> 00:41:05,027 "Friday the 13th" fans who are making their own films, 915 00:41:05,070 --> 00:41:06,332 kind of a new era of fan fiction. 916 00:41:06,376 --> 00:41:07,986 - Come to mommy. 917 00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:10,815 - Some of these movies have like a 100, $200,000 budgets. 918 00:41:10,859 --> 00:41:11,773 It's insane. 919 00:41:18,301 --> 00:41:19,563 - You wouldn't run back to these characters 920 00:41:19,607 --> 00:41:21,652 if you didn't fall in love with them somehow. 921 00:41:21,696 --> 00:41:24,481 And something about them, from their design to their excess, 922 00:41:24,525 --> 00:41:28,050 to the fact that they keep changing with the times, 923 00:41:28,093 --> 00:41:30,966 has kept us going back for 30 years. 924 00:41:39,017 --> 00:41:40,279 - We thought we'd make two or three, 925 00:41:40,323 --> 00:41:43,065 maybe five for nerds that go to conventions. 926 00:41:43,108 --> 00:41:46,155 Boy, 1500 COVID-19 masks later. 927 00:41:49,332 --> 00:41:50,899 They're flying off the shelf, 928 00:41:50,942 --> 00:41:52,378 so it was originally Jason's idea 929 00:41:52,422 --> 00:41:53,684 to do the half hockey mask. 930 00:41:53,728 --> 00:41:55,294 He had to rent a studio, 931 00:41:55,338 --> 00:41:58,733 he's hired 10 people, ex-students some of them, 932 00:41:58,776 --> 00:42:00,561 or people who have lost their jobs 933 00:42:00,604 --> 00:42:03,215 because there's no commercial shooting or movies going on, 934 00:42:03,259 --> 00:42:04,521 he's given all them jobs. 935 00:42:04,565 --> 00:42:06,567 It just took off, it took off like crazy 936 00:42:06,610 --> 00:42:08,438 and we had no idea it was going to do that. 937 00:42:17,926 --> 00:42:21,712 - It is Friday the 13th in Blairstown, New Jersey. 938 00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:27,979 - Pretty good job of looking scared. 939 00:42:30,895 --> 00:42:33,855 - Just a short five, 10 years ago, 940 00:42:33,898 --> 00:42:37,075 there was a lot of resistance on the part of Blairstown 941 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,775 to associating themselves with "Friday the 13th". 942 00:42:40,818 --> 00:42:42,777 Now horror is mainstream. 943 00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:45,170 Jason is seen almost like kind of like 944 00:42:45,214 --> 00:42:48,043 an American mythological character there now. 945 00:42:48,086 --> 00:42:49,522 You know, I just think I really picked 946 00:42:49,566 --> 00:42:53,048 the best movie to be in for a minute, 947 00:42:53,091 --> 00:42:54,615 like 40 years ago. 948 00:42:56,312 --> 00:42:58,488 - Blairstown always kind of kept it under the sheets 949 00:42:58,531 --> 00:43:00,229 because it wasn't an embarrassment, 950 00:43:00,272 --> 00:43:01,491 it just wasn't something they wanted 951 00:43:01,534 --> 00:43:02,971 to promote or be proud of. 952 00:43:03,014 --> 00:43:04,668 And I think over the years, 953 00:43:04,712 --> 00:43:07,149 going back to the decades of success of the franchise, 954 00:43:07,192 --> 00:43:09,107 they've started to embrace it. 955 00:43:09,151 --> 00:43:10,500 - Happy Friday the 13th. 956 00:43:12,937 --> 00:43:16,941 - Someone showed me a picture of me at a convention, 957 00:43:16,985 --> 00:43:20,336 holding an infant for the photo. 958 00:43:20,379 --> 00:43:22,643 And then they say, "That's me." 959 00:43:22,686 --> 00:43:25,167 And they're now 28 years old. 960 00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:27,778 Things like that are just incredible 961 00:43:27,822 --> 00:43:30,172 and it's all because of "Friday the 13th." 962 00:43:31,477 --> 00:43:34,176 - The fans just worship this stuff. 963 00:43:35,830 --> 00:43:37,396 I think it's because they just love being scared. 964 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,051 You cannot predict what's going to be a hit 965 00:43:40,095 --> 00:43:41,879 and if somebody comes to you and tells you that 966 00:43:41,923 --> 00:43:43,751 you realize they're full of shit. 967 00:43:43,794 --> 00:43:47,102 There's something that people connect with, you know. 968 00:43:47,145 --> 00:43:50,627 - One of the big attractions to the Jason character 969 00:43:50,671 --> 00:43:52,760 is the fact that there's a reality to it. 970 00:43:52,803 --> 00:43:54,762 It's mind boggling to be quite honest, 971 00:43:54,805 --> 00:43:57,678 because here we did this three decades ago of myself, 972 00:43:57,721 --> 00:44:00,158 you go back to Ari, you know, almost four decades 973 00:44:00,202 --> 00:44:01,769 and you start thinking about 974 00:44:01,812 --> 00:44:03,858 the people that have come along and you have met. 975 00:44:03,901 --> 00:44:06,556 I think the nice thing about it is none of us expected this. 976 00:44:13,476 --> 00:44:17,654 - Jason goes from face to bag to a hockey mask 977 00:44:17,698 --> 00:44:22,006 and then to melty face and then to worm. 978 00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:25,575 - I mean, it was the '80s, Madonna was reinventing herself, 979 00:44:25,618 --> 00:44:27,229 Jason can, too. 980 00:44:27,272 --> 00:44:29,144 With each one, he had a new look. 981 00:44:29,187 --> 00:44:32,364 I definitely like more the, hey, Jason could actually 982 00:44:32,408 --> 00:44:34,845 be living in the woods out here, I don't know. 983 00:44:34,889 --> 00:44:38,980 Maybe he'd attack me with a bag on his head, a little hole. 984 00:44:39,023 --> 00:44:42,723 - Yeah, I think human Jason is akin 985 00:44:42,766 --> 00:44:44,550 to Daniel Craig James Bond, 986 00:44:44,594 --> 00:44:47,292 where zombie Jason's more of the Pierce Brosnan era. 987 00:44:47,336 --> 00:44:48,990 They both have their value. 988 00:44:49,033 --> 00:44:51,557 - Well and that makes sense because in first class 989 00:44:51,601 --> 00:44:55,518 I both saw once, walking through, Pierce Brosnan 990 00:44:55,561 --> 00:44:57,999 and then right over to the side part seven Jason. 991 00:45:00,218 --> 00:45:02,394 - How great would that be to get into first class 992 00:45:02,438 --> 00:45:05,876 and then a full zombie Jason comes in and sits down? 993 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,966 Because he's so popular that he would fly first class. 994 00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:11,708 If he's doing a movie, he's got an agent, 995 00:45:11,752 --> 00:45:14,885 probably the same agent that reps Michael and Freddy. 996 00:45:14,929 --> 00:45:18,193 - And Pierce. - And Pierce.