1 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:17,280 [man] I do feel that, uh... pretty much anybody could be a stalker... 2 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,600 given the right circumstances. 3 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,640 When I look back at what occurred, that's not who I am. 4 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:40,400 I felt like I was, like. in a dream state. 5 00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:42,960 Kind of like a sleepwalker. 6 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,680 I wanted to be part of something. 7 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,480 I lost it and I lost control. 8 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,960 It caused me to act out my anger and my fantasies. 9 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,320 [woman] Wherever I would go, he was just, like, constantly following me. 10 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,600 He says that he was gonna attack somebody I really loved. 11 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,000 Anyone that did this kind of harm is really a psychopath. 12 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,760 [man 1] I'd rather be considered a murderer than a stalker, 13 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,120 you know what I mean? 14 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,400 [woman screams] 15 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:59,360 [woman 1] I wanted the intensity of, like... of her feeling watched. 16 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,760 [man 2] Anybody could be a stalker. 17 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,960 [man 3] It's all boogeyman talk. 18 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,760 [man 4] I'm not still that crazy. Like... [chuckles] 19 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,560 [woman] I haven't come across a case quite like this before. 20 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,360 It was a very scary stalking case. 21 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,360 If you take the little incidences that make stalking, 22 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,560 they don't seem dangerous or even criminal. 23 00:02:57,640 --> 00:02:59,960 But put together and compounded, 24 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,120 it creates fear in somebody, 25 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,360 and unfortunately, a lot of times, 26 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,400 it can culminate into something that's very violent. 27 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,280 Um... My name is Ruben Antonio Jaramillo. 28 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:03,120 Oh, okay. Uh, I guess I was accused of, uh, stalking my ex... 29 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,160 I guess, ex-girlfriend at the time, or girlfriend at the time. 30 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,640 It was, like, so chaotic at that moment in time. 31 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,120 I had a lot of confusion in my life, a lot of cloud. 32 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,320 That was my downfall, uh... to this whole scenario. 33 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,080 [birdsong] 34 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,320 My upbringing, it was very sporadic, I guess. 35 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,080 We moved around from... around the country, from state to state. 36 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,800 My dad would briefly show up once in a while 37 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,920 whenever he actually found my mom, 38 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,680 and, uh... I never planted any roots anyplace. 39 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,920 We were always... More like a vagabond. 40 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,520 Never had any friends or anybody to... you know, things like that. 41 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,720 Each town and city that I, uh... I moved to, I was always bullied, 42 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,400 so that played a big part, because that... 43 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,640 Being, uh... being bullied like that made me, uh... more secluded to myself. 44 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,800 My fantasy was to have a wife, and children, and house, 45 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,000 and provide for them. 46 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,840 That's, uh... that's always been my dream. 47 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,360 I've dated here and there, but most of the times, I guess, uh... 48 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,680 I was... I would date the girl, but the girl would, you know, 49 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,280 end up going off with a friend of mine, 50 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,640 or one of my siblings, or something like that. 51 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:53,320 So I've always had, uh... trust issues with girls because of that. 52 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:14,200 When I was working in a nursing home, 53 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,480 all these other girls at the nursing home were after me. 54 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,160 They were, like, trying to come after me, trying to date me. 55 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,920 And I was, like... kind of, like, too timid to, uh... 56 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,120 who I would like... 57 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,560 Uh, kinda... How do you say? 58 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,480 Pick which girl I wanted to be with. 59 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,280 She came over to me and started, I guess, pushing herself onto me. 60 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,600 I wasn't really interested, because most of the girls I used to date 61 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,000 were between 18 to 24, no older than 24. 62 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,800 But at that point in time, I felt alone, you know. 63 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,680 I just, uh... had nobody, really, to communicate with, you know? 64 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,760 But when Maria came into that picture, I could tell her my problems. 65 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,320 We were talking, and before you know it, one thing led to another, 66 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,360 we started, uh, making out, and... 67 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,320 From there, it just started, uh... We just started dating. 68 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,280 [woman] At the time I met Ruben, I was in a relationship. 69 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,920 It was 18 years that I was married, 70 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,520 and, um... it was a rough marriage. 71 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:02,440 When Ruben came aboard, 72 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,600 it was like someone to lean on, 73 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,840 or be comfortable to talk to. 74 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,200 It all started when I was employed at a nursing home, 75 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:35,360 and he got hired. 76 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,400 And he was comfortable to talk to. 77 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,960 He was very nice, and, um... soft, and sweet. 78 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:52,080 I was, like, in love, and, uh... I would say, in lust. 79 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,200 He was young. 80 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,120 I was, um... probably, like, 18 years older. 81 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,520 As months went by, 82 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,640 I decided to leave my husband, and I moved in with Ruben. 83 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,920 From there, it went on really nice, you know? 84 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,480 He loved going out and getting me gifts and stuff, 85 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:33,200 and, uh... it never crossed my mind 86 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,760 that he would do something like this, you know? 87 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,760 [insects chirping] 88 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,920 [Jaramillo] One day, she showed up at my door. 89 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,120 She was standing there, and she said, "Look." 90 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,720 "I got some divorce papers. I got... I divorced my husband." 91 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,760 And I'm like, "Uh... why'd you do that?" She goes, "'Cause I want to be with you." 92 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,520 And I was like, "Okay." 93 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,120 I mean, I liked her and everything, and I figured, well, 94 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,440 we could have a relationship and see how it blooms from that point. 95 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,760 It was something that I was kind of looking for, 96 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,960 'cause she had family, and I didn't have that growing up. 97 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,840 But when I first met her family, they were kind of hostile. 98 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,120 That's when it kind of turned. 99 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,920 Her parents were like, telling me that I was too young for her 100 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,200 and I need to find somebody my own age, 101 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,680 and that's when I knew that something was up. 102 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,880 [birdsong] 103 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:57,960 My first impression of Ruben was that he was quiet, uh... shy. 104 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:03,680 She thought she was in love with him. 105 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,800 She's young at heart herself. 106 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,440 I guess she thought it was a match made in heaven. 107 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,440 But I didn't like the relationship. 108 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,320 My family thought that he was creepy. 109 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,560 They didn't like him, 110 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,800 especially the age difference between him and my mom. 111 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,280 In my eyes, I saw their relationship 112 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,520 as a boyfriend-slash-son relationship. 113 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,800 She was always tending to him, like you do a child. 114 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:02,120 She couldn't even just, like, come visit our family, like, without him. 115 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,840 He had to follow along, like a little kid, I guess. [chuckles] 116 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,040 He always had to be, like, part of everything, 117 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,040 saying some crazy things. 118 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,960 In 2001, when I found out that I was pregnant with my first child, 119 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,480 he told my mom that he wanted 120 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:30,600 to raise my daughter with her. 121 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,120 Which is crazy. 122 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:37,000 I was thinking, "Are you kidding me?" 123 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,280 "I live with my boyfriend, why wouldn't we want our child?" 124 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:48,040 And this is just one of the... the ways that would show how he was delusional. 125 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,120 I know that Ruben had given her lots of attention, 126 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,960 and I think that's what she was craving... 127 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,000 until she finally had come to the conclusion 128 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,800 that he was cheating on her. 129 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,080 [Maria] For about four years, you know, the relationship was great. 130 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,640 But when I was at work, and I'd come home to the apartment, 131 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,840 I would see females' belongings. 132 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,760 And I'd say, "Well, who was here?" 133 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,000 He goes, "Oh, my female friends." You know? 134 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,320 I did suspect he was cheating on me. 135 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,680 That just kept on going and going. 136 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,760 And so, I was hurt. 137 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,080 And, uh... he denied, 138 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:05,720 but that's when I started, like, feeling, "This is not gonna work out." 139 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,440 I told Ruben that I was gonna leave, and he says, "Why?" you know? 140 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,520 He says, "I love you," and stuff. 141 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,600 That's when Ruben was begging me and begging me, you know, 142 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,120 "Don't go, don't go." 143 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,960 I think that's why I called my daughter and my sister. 144 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,600 I felt maybe something was gonna go wrong. 145 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,400 [Veronica] When my mom said she wanted to leave, 146 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,640 I felt so relieved and so happy to go, 147 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,080 "Let's go," you know, "get your things and get you out of here." 148 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,280 Not knowing, like, what could happen. [laughs ruefully] 149 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,800 Me and my aunt went to my mom and Ruben's apartment to go gather her things. 150 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,280 So, we walk into the bedroom, 151 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:32,560 and he's there on the bed, and he was holding a knife. 152 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,160 We look around the room, 153 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:42,960 and on the three walls was the word, "Die, die, die." 154 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,720 "Die" on one wall, "die" on the other wall and "die" on the other wall, 155 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:49,600 in his blood. 156 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,520 And my mom, she didn't want us to call the police. 157 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,520 She said, "Let's just go and just leave him alone." 158 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,440 [Jaramillo] I wanted to die right there and then. I felt my heart pounding. 159 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,280 I wanted to cry, uh... because I had put my hope on her. 160 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,160 I kept trying to, uh... get in contact with her and everything else, 161 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,880 because all that... all that emotion came flooding back. 162 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,240 Technically, I did cheat on her. 163 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,120 But I wanted to contact her and I wanted to, like, see, 164 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,600 "What can we do to resolve this, uh... this conflict of emotion?" 165 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,240 and things like that. 166 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:43,760 So, uh... I'm not real, uh... keen on... on subtle hints or things like that. 167 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,360 You know, I'm more a person that needs... 168 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,760 If you want something, you have to say it bluntly 169 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,200 in order for me to understand, 170 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,120 because I don't grasp, like, hints or things like that. 171 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,160 The way I used to try to contact her was writing her letters. 172 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:12,800 That occurred over a period of time. 173 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,920 Every time I asked a question, it would... it would go unanswered. 174 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,720 And so I had to... I had to try to get... to communicate with her, 175 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,640 to get in contact with her to try to get those answers, but I couldn't. 176 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,040 It's like, the more I tried to communicate with her, 177 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:29,776 the more I failed, the more I was like... I was like, "Man, I'm..." 178 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,800 I kept coming up with more, uh... questions, but without answers. 179 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,040 [birdsong] 180 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,080 [Maria] I had stacks and stacks of letters, you know, 181 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,720 that he would leave on my car. 182 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:05,640 The letters would say that he wanted to talk things over, 183 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,840 and that he really loved me, 184 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,480 and he's not going to hurt me, 185 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,640 and he just wants us to get back together. 186 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,400 At that point, all this really got me worried. 187 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,760 [woman] Stalking is considered to be a serious crime 188 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,600 involving repeated and persistent behavior that threatens, 189 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,880 harasses and creates fear in our victims 190 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,880 and can turn into violence. 191 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,200 My name is Dr. Hae Rim Jin, 192 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,200 and my research specialization is in intimate partner violence. 193 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,800 In my line of work, 194 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,760 I have studied a large number of cases focusing on stalking. 195 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,640 These are letters that Mr. Jaramillo wrote to Maria. 196 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,360 These letters are records of his stalking behavior. 197 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:21,800 In my opinion, his case is very, very dangerous. 198 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,680 His letters gave me a lot of insight to his mindset. 199 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,320 One particular is that he consistently says, 200 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,760 "I love you, I love you, I love you. Why don't you get that I love you?" 201 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,040 And she gets it, but she doesn't want it. 202 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,240 This individual fits the profile of rejected stalker, 203 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,000 because his sole motivation behind stalking Maria 204 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,760 is that he can no longer accept that she has left him. 205 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,000 Mr. Jaramillo also says quite often that he is ready to die for her, 206 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,320 so that reiterates that feeling of, 207 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,760 he really truly believes he has nothing left to lose. 208 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,680 It's her or nothing, even his life. 209 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,080 The likelihood of that case turning into a dangerous one is relatively high. 210 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,120 This particular letter is a red flag. 211 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,440 He says, "If we're not together, then that gives me the right 212 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,760 to go after your family for breaking us up." 213 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:28,760 "But if we're still together, then I have no right to go after them, right?" 214 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,520 First, he's blaming her family for breaking them up. 215 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,600 He's implying to her that, 216 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,000 "I know your parents were one of the reasons why we broke up, 217 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,640 and I have every means to hurt them, especially if you don't come back to me." 218 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,440 His letters are demonstrating that the violence truly was inevitable. 219 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,280 It was going to happen, because he just could not let her go. 220 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:21,280 [Maria] Ruben was stalking me at my jobs. 221 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,400 He would be parked, like, at the corner, 222 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,600 and so I would spot him and I would get off and start running. 223 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,080 He was not giving up. 224 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,000 He said in letters, "Not gonna give up." 225 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,360 But by that time, I was, like, really, really frightened. 226 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:51,120 Wherever I would go, uh... he was just, like, constantly following me. 227 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,480 He knew where my parents lived and where my daughter lived. 228 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,880 [Veronica] This was the beginning of a... a time to watch our backs. 229 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,760 He started delivering letters to my apartment, 230 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,040 taping them to the door. 231 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:25,720 And then one of the letters said that if I don't give my mom the letters, 232 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:32,280 he was gonna put naked pictures of her around my apartment complex. 233 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,480 And he did. 234 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,000 I actually didn't know what was gonna come next. 235 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,600 I moved from my apartment to a different apartment. 236 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:52,200 I wanted to hide. 237 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,080 I didn't want him to, like, know where I lived anymore, 238 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,960 because he threatened to kill me if she didn't go with him. 239 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,600 He was stalking multiple members of our family. 240 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,920 Lurking around in different places, you know? 241 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:32,280 He was at the front door of my brother and his girlfriend's apartment, 242 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,440 and she was terrified. 243 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:45,040 He was driving by the other family members' houses. 244 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,880 My cousin's house, my brother's apartment, my grandparents', me. 245 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,680 Now everybody had a piece of being stalked. 246 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,720 My mom was getting lots of anger towards her. 247 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,640 "You brought this crazy into our family, and now he knows where we all live." 248 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,160 I don't think she knew what was gonna happen next, 249 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,320 and I think she thinks he was just gonna, like, fade away. 250 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,280 I was already determined to leave her and her family and everything behind, 251 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:43,560 because I already had it. 252 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,520 I had enough with it and everything else. 253 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,840 I was walkin' towards her parents' house. 254 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,000 I was gonna tell them, like, to piss off or something like that. 255 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,600 I was gonna tell her parents that... to tell her not to contact me at all, 256 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,880 not to do anything with me, 'cause I didn't want no part of her or anything. 257 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,640 I'mma give her one last gift, you know, because in the scripture it says, 258 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,720 you know, uh... if people hate you, uh... bless 'em or love 'em, you know. 259 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,240 So I thought, "Okay," so I went into this Chinese store, 260 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,800 bought some, uh, toy handcuffs for her grandkids. 261 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,400 And, uh... Oh, I... And, uh, I... I had this, uh... toy stun gun. 262 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,200 And I started praying, and I was... I was, like... 263 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,160 I was like, um... you know, "Lord, I want you to please stop me." 264 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,320 You know... 265 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,320 Uh... "Stop me from going to the house and then confronting the parents, 266 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,200 because I... I feel that I'm gonna do something crazy." 267 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,160 [Angulo] What happened on September 26th of 2005 268 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,560 is the end result of Ruben's journey of stalking. 269 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,600 Right now, we're looking at the driveway 270 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,840 where Ruben accosted Maria's father. 271 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,800 He actually brought three sets of handcuffs. 272 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,800 He brought duct tape. 273 00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:00,040 So they are filming right now the stun gun or the Taser that he left behind. 274 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,480 All signs of something very violent that occurred. 275 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,440 [Jaramillo] I went to the house. I rung the doorbell. 276 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,600 Her dad came around the corner, and I startled him, he startled me. 277 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,160 And he came at me like... like... you know, like, to fall. 278 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,200 And I thought he was trying to attack me, 279 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,360 so I pulled out the toy stun gun, and then I pushed him down. 280 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,000 I looked down and I saw him on the ground, and I saw he was grabbing his heart. 281 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,400 That's when I realized he was having a heart attack. 282 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,560 I was trying to pick him up, but he was too heavy for me. 283 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,840 And so the mom came out around the corner, and so she screamed, 284 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,480 so I dropped him and I went over to tell her, "I'm not here to hurt you." 285 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,120 And I tried to calm her down, and she wouldn't calm down. 286 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,360 So I grab the toy stun gun and I stun her. 287 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,040 So, uh... I picked her up. 288 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,520 And I remember I had the toy stun gun, so... I mean, the toy handcuffs. 289 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,920 So I grabbed one of the toy handcuffs and I put 'em on... 290 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,680 uh, put the toy handcuffs on her. 291 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,160 I walked her to the restroom and I sat her down. 292 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,120 [Angulo] He handcuffed both of them. 293 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,120 With the mother, he took her into the house 294 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,920 and he went back out to deal with Maria's father, 295 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,120 and Maria's mother was able to escape, 296 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,120 run across the street and get help from a neighbor. 297 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,680 And they called 911, and the police came and responded fairly quickly. 298 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,520 He was interrupted, and so he got in their van and he fled. 299 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,896 [Jaramillo] I had no intention of hurting anybody, because that's not... 300 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,720 I hate people hurting other people. 301 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,360 And when I look back, what... what... what occurred, that's not who I was. 302 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,000 I mean... I mean, that's not who I am. 303 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,600 So, Ruben says that he had no intention of hurting anyone, 304 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,880 because he hates people that hurt people. 305 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,680 Ruben's not only trying to minimize his culpability, 306 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,400 he's trying to change the narrative. 307 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,360 His delusions are... 308 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,000 quite intact. 309 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,760 The Taser definitely was not a toy. 310 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,400 It caused such a heart attack 311 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,760 that Maria's father had to have quadruple bypass surgery, 312 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,160 and, um, to me, this confirms it. 313 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,600 He is not willing to accept responsibility 314 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,040 for the damage that he caused to this family. 315 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,080 - [Maria] There was ambulance and police. - [siren wailing] 316 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,920 My sister was yelling at me, "Your ex-boyfriend attacked Mom and Dad!" 317 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 And that's when I, like... 318 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,240 God, I just felt so bad and at fault, 319 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,040 because he did this because I wouldn't go back to him. 320 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,680 I just felt so ashamed. 321 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,920 [Veronica] It was the scariest thing, to not know where he could be. 322 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,200 I gave the daycare a picture of him, 323 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,240 because my daughter was in daycare, 324 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,600 and I let them know the situation. 325 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,200 I was afraid that he was gonna find me and my daughter. 326 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,440 I didn't know if he was gonna kill me to try to get to my daughter. 327 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,160 I didn't know what he was gonna do. 328 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,120 It's the fear of the unknown. 329 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,680 We didn't know where he could pop up. 330 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,880 One of the nights that he was on the run, I went to my best friend's house, 331 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,880 and I had a major panic attack. 332 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,640 I thought I was dying. I... I did. 333 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,320 I thought I was... I thought I was dying. 334 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,840 [Angulo] I decided to try only the aggravated robbery, 335 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,840 because stalking is more difficult, in the sense that you have to prove 336 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280 beyond a reasonable doubt all of the elements. 337 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,920 So you have to prove many tiny moments 338 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,240 instead of just one big moment. 339 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,040 Aggravated robberies are typically a first-degree felony, 340 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,440 so just like murders, it carries a punishment range 341 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,200 from five years up to 99 years, or life in prison. 342 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,280 It... it was a very strong case that we took to trial 343 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,120 for the aggravated robbery. 344 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,920 This case was odd in that Ruben left us all the evidence of his intention 345 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,960 at the scene of the crime. 346 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,840 He had a bag that he left behind when the police started to come, 347 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,480 and inside of that bag, there was a note. 348 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,720 And on this note, it basically laid out what Ruben was going to do. 349 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,200 Ruben writes, "Pick up cash, pick up check and cash it." 350 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,680 "Stun gun, four sets of handcuffs." 351 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,520 "Locate parents. Mom and Dad only." 352 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,680 "Handcuff Mom and Dad." 353 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,600 "Lock the gates and head towards Mexico." 354 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,720 "Drop the parents off in a ditch." 355 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,840 "Head back and pick up Maria's daughter, pick up the car with her, 356 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,080 pick up Maria's daughter's daughter, then take her in green van." 357 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,360 "Look for Maria, get hold of Maria." 358 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,400 "Pick up the Suburban, bring it to Mexico, 359 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,840 move into house and live in Mexico forever." 360 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,400 We are talking about five people 361 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,400 that Ruben planned to kidnap, 362 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:25,120 um, and relocate, in his desire to win Maria's heart. 363 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,400 Ruben definitely suffered from delusions. 364 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,680 It didn't make him incompetent. 365 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,640 It didn't make him insane. 366 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,200 But it made him very dangerous. 367 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,120 [Angulo] They put the defendant on the stand. 368 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,720 He was really their only defense. 369 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,520 He did not seem to accept any responsibility for his conduct. 370 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,640 He didn't seem to think that the nature of his relationship with Maria 371 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,680 was anything other than a love story. 372 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,520 It was not a good defense. 373 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,360 The evidence we had was strong, against him, 374 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,200 and I think, at the end, that there was no question, um... 375 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,640 that Ruben Jaramillo was a dangerous individual. 376 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,720 [Angulo] The aggravated robbery that we tried was ultimately the culmination 377 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,840 of all the stalking that he committed on Maria. 378 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,280 So, even though she wasn't the ultimate victim in the case that we prosecuted, 379 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,160 I think that the jury appropriately considered 380 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,120 the dangerousness of the situation. 381 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,840 Maria was definitely an injured woman. 382 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,120 Emotionally injured. 383 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,400 She suffered a lot of abuse at the hands of Mr. Jaramillo. 384 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,880 I think it was very crucial for the jury to hear from Maria, 385 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,520 because the history of stalking was central to this case. 386 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,120 If you take Maria out of the picture, 387 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,000 there's not much context for what the defendant did. 388 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,040 She explained to the jury the abuse that she suffered from him, 389 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,800 the psychological, the emotional abuse that he used. 390 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,960 And that's gonna scar an individual. It scarred her. 391 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,280 [Maria] I was on the stand, and I did tell them about the stalking. 392 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:06,600 I was very scared telling the judge everything what had happened, 393 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,480 and, um... I was just, like, crying. 394 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,720 Just nonstop crying, um... 395 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,200 I was so... so afraid, just having him there. 396 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:13,240 [Jaramillo] I've been in prison, uh... 16 years, almost 17 years. 397 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,800 I had plenty of time to think of what... 398 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,560 what was... what was the malfunction in my thinking, 399 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,240 and... and so forth. 400 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,240 I do feel that, uh... pretty much anybody could be a stalker, 401 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,520 given the right set of circumstances. 402 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,200 And I guess I, uh... I lost touch with reality 403 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,600 and, uh... just started fantasizing. 404 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,520 I was hoping, I guess, in a way, 405 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,880 to be able to get back that... that feeling of, uh... being wanted. 406 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,320 Chasing after her, uh... would get her attention 407 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,280 and she would, uh... once again see me as a person, 408 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,560 and say, "Hey, look, there's this person, you know, who cares about me." 409 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,760 And I was hoping she would see that, you know, 410 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,080 I was willing to bend over backwards for her and do whatever she wanted. 411 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,920 I do possess, uh... remorse over what I did to Maria and... and her family, 412 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,680 because it shouldn't have occurred in the first place. 413 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,920 I should have been the bigger man and just walked away. 414 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,000 Uh, putting your, uh... your emotions 100% into a person, 415 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,760 it's like playing Russian roulette. 416 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,840 It's like, uh... Unless you're with the person like 20, 30 years, 417 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,080 yeah, I can understand, 418 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,840 but when you meet a person like I did, and I was with her for five years, 419 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,640 uh... you know, I shouldn't have been 100% into... into her. 420 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,480 Uh, because no matter how many times she cheated on me 421 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,520 or how many times I cheated on her, uh... I should have seen the signs. 422 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,880 But there's no way to correct the past. 423 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,800 It's just continuing to the future with... and trying to correct myself, 424 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,880 uh, and hoping that this situation doesn't occur 425 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,440 with somebody else, or anything else, 426 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,880 and that I'm better able to control myself mentally. 427 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,520 And, uh... and... 428 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,920 and see disappointments as a... as a stepping-stone 429 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,480 rather than a... than a... a tragedy. 430 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,040 [birdsong] 431 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,800 [Veronica] I definitely think about him getting out, 432 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,760 and I just want to, like, disappear. 433 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,480 I don't want him to find me. 434 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:59,440 I am still living with the effects of this. 435 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,800 I deal with anxiety attacks weekly. 436 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:10,280 It makes me very, very angry that I have to deal with this, 437 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,600 my kids have to deal with this... 438 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,000 my husband... has to deal with this. 439 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,680 [tearfully] It's frustrating. It's torturous. 440 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,280 [sobs] 441 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,640 And my grandparents deal with it, too. 442 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,360 This is lifelong. 443 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,880 [Maria] Everybody fears that he's gonna get parole. 444 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,400 I myself am very, very scared. 445 00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:01,280 We are writing letters to the parole not to release him, 446 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,400 because I feel that he's gonna come and finish me off. 447 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,200 He said he would hurt people that I love, 448 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,360 and so we just have to live in fear. 449 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,880 I believe he will continue looking for me.