1 00:00:13,803 --> 00:00:16,363 I've only been obsessed with three people my whole life. 2 00:00:20,363 --> 00:00:23,723 When we make mistakes, we learn from them. Just like a kid, you know. 3 00:00:25,843 --> 00:00:27,803 I guess I just don't regret anything, 4 00:00:28,403 --> 00:00:31,163 but I just wish that it would have turned out differently. 5 00:00:42,123 --> 00:00:45,323 Sometimes in my head, I-- I think about certain things I did. 6 00:00:46,643 --> 00:00:50,403 They say that's considered stalking, but still, I don't think that's stalking. 7 00:01:03,723 --> 00:01:05,483 When I will do those things, 8 00:01:05,963 --> 00:01:08,963 I will get, like… I guess, crazy. 9 00:01:13,283 --> 00:01:15,643 I'm a little scared, to be honest. 10 00:01:24,843 --> 00:01:27,483 I'd rather be considered a murderer than a stalker, 11 00:01:27,563 --> 00:01:28,643 you know what I mean? 12 00:01:32,643 --> 00:01:38,083 I wanted the intensity of, like, of her feeling watched. 13 00:01:39,563 --> 00:01:41,483 Anybody could be a stalker. 14 00:01:42,763 --> 00:01:44,683 It's all boogeyman talk. 15 00:01:46,123 --> 00:01:48,043 I'm still that crazy.  16 00:02:29,043 --> 00:02:31,003 My name is Deketrice Jackson. 17 00:02:31,723 --> 00:02:33,483 I'm here for stalking. 18 00:02:33,563 --> 00:02:37,163 It's a four-year sentence, and I've been in here for two years. 19 00:02:49,683 --> 00:02:51,763 My addiction is women. 20 00:02:53,683 --> 00:02:56,803 I don't drink coffee, I don't smoke cigarettes, or things like that, 21 00:02:56,883 --> 00:02:59,723 but for some reason, it's, like, women that, you know… 22 00:03:00,843 --> 00:03:04,443 It drives me, and it's like… I guess I just love love. 23 00:03:34,643 --> 00:03:37,683 I went into one of my foster homes about six years old. 24 00:03:40,123 --> 00:03:42,923 I got taken because my birth mom didn't want me. 25 00:03:45,403 --> 00:03:48,163 I was bounced around to about 12 total homes. 26 00:03:54,923 --> 00:03:56,843 I was abused a lot in some of my foster homes, 27 00:03:56,923 --> 00:03:58,243 so, like, mistreated… 28 00:03:59,803 --> 00:04:00,843 and not loved. 29 00:04:06,763 --> 00:04:09,123 At ten years old, I-- I started liking women. 30 00:04:09,843 --> 00:04:13,363 And at ten, 11, I started fightin' at school 31 00:04:13,443 --> 00:04:15,803 'cause I was picked on because I liked women. 32 00:04:15,883 --> 00:04:17,523 And I went to different foster homes 33 00:04:17,603 --> 00:04:20,163 because they didn't want me, 'cause they said I was bad, 34 00:04:20,243 --> 00:04:25,683 or they didn't want me in a home with the other children because I was gay. 35 00:04:31,163 --> 00:04:33,603 So I just felt unloved and unwanted. 36 00:04:50,963 --> 00:04:53,563 I was in this foster home in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 37 00:04:53,643 --> 00:04:55,803 And we used to go to church, 38 00:04:55,883 --> 00:05:00,043 and there was this lady who was probably about… maybe 24 at the time, 39 00:05:00,883 --> 00:05:02,723 and she was, like, really pretty, 40 00:05:02,803 --> 00:05:06,363 and I-- I guess I just wanted her to, like, mother me. 41 00:05:12,123 --> 00:05:14,923 She'd just, like, buy me gifts for Christmas, birthday, 42 00:05:15,003 --> 00:05:18,403 and, like, she let me go over her house every Sunday after church. 43 00:05:19,403 --> 00:05:22,403 I kept wanting her to, um… to parent me. 44 00:05:22,483 --> 00:05:25,323 Well, throughout every time I see her, I get excited and I, like, 45 00:05:25,843 --> 00:05:27,283 used to try to call her "Mom," 46 00:05:27,363 --> 00:05:29,923 and she would sit down and say, "No, I'm not your mom." 47 00:05:31,083 --> 00:05:32,963 I felt rejected, 48 00:05:33,683 --> 00:05:37,083 not never really having that stable mom-- mom figure, you know? 49 00:05:55,043 --> 00:05:58,123 When I first met Dee, she was a little girl. 50 00:06:00,283 --> 00:06:04,603 She was introduced to the church, and she was very shy. 51 00:06:09,323 --> 00:06:11,923 This is the church that Dee grew up in. 52 00:06:12,643 --> 00:06:14,123 Um, Divine Temple. 53 00:06:17,003 --> 00:06:21,043 A small church, but it has a big heart with a lot of love. 54 00:06:25,643 --> 00:06:27,363 My name is Tunya King, 55 00:06:27,963 --> 00:06:31,323 and I knew Dee when she attended our church. 56 00:06:58,083 --> 00:07:01,083 I felt like she was longing for something. 57 00:07:04,483 --> 00:07:07,243 It's like when you go to the pound and you see a puppy 58 00:07:07,323 --> 00:07:10,563 and they are just like, "Pick me up. Hold me. Love me." 59 00:07:10,643 --> 00:07:13,643 Um, I got that sense that she needed to be loved. 60 00:07:16,043 --> 00:07:17,803 So we were at my house. 61 00:07:19,043 --> 00:07:22,003 She was like, um… "You should adopt me." 62 00:07:22,963 --> 00:07:27,563 And I'm like, "No!" Like, "Girl, no!" Laughing it off. 63 00:07:29,483 --> 00:07:32,843 Looking back, I never turned around to see her face. 64 00:07:36,563 --> 00:07:42,083 Now, I feel like I probably offended her, um, by saying no like that. 65 00:07:44,323 --> 00:07:46,083 I think she took it as a, 66 00:07:46,163 --> 00:07:48,643 "Why am I not good enough for you to be my mom?" 67 00:07:58,763 --> 00:08:04,163 When Dee was younger, our relationship, I think, was very pure and very beautiful. 68 00:08:05,523 --> 00:08:10,363 But as she got older, it just started to change. 69 00:08:14,323 --> 00:08:18,723 When I was dating my first husband, I would go visit him on the weekends, 70 00:08:18,803 --> 00:08:21,723 and wouldn't-- sometimes didn't make it to church. 71 00:08:21,803 --> 00:08:23,763 And so she wouldn't see me. 72 00:08:27,603 --> 00:08:31,003 She didn't want me to go. She wanted to hang out with me. 73 00:08:31,083 --> 00:08:33,963 And I'm like, "No, I already made plans. I'm going." 74 00:08:34,043 --> 00:08:38,523 And she-- It was like she was trying to persuade me to spending time with her. 75 00:08:38,603 --> 00:08:41,163 And I'm like, "Dee, we're not havin' this conversation." 76 00:08:41,243 --> 00:08:43,043 "I said no. Like, that's it." 77 00:08:44,203 --> 00:08:46,403 She just kept asking, you know, like, 78 00:08:46,483 --> 00:08:49,283 "If I ask her 50 times, she's gonna change her mind." 79 00:08:53,243 --> 00:08:55,003 She was persistent. 80 00:08:55,683 --> 00:08:58,843 Um… I would tell her, "Dee, I'll call you back." 81 00:08:59,923 --> 00:09:02,643 And she's, like, still trying to keep me on the phone. 82 00:09:02,723 --> 00:09:05,443 And I'm like, "Dee, I'm hanging up now." 83 00:09:05,523 --> 00:09:08,763 And then when I would hang up, she would call right back. 84 00:09:13,043 --> 00:09:17,443 It got to the point where I had to disassociate myself with her, 85 00:09:17,523 --> 00:09:19,403 because it was just like… 86 00:09:19,483 --> 00:09:22,843 I-- I saw where we were going, and I didn't appreciate it. 87 00:09:35,963 --> 00:09:39,283 When she got married, I was very emotionally distraught. 88 00:09:39,883 --> 00:09:41,683 It's like, I felt like I lost her. 89 00:09:43,563 --> 00:09:46,283 It brings me back to my childhood, Like, "I'll never be enough." 90 00:09:46,363 --> 00:09:48,563 "I'll never be loved. I'll never have that love." 91 00:09:49,283 --> 00:09:53,163 It's like, if my own mom didn't love me, and then she didn't love me… 92 00:10:06,203 --> 00:10:10,443 When I met Tiffanie, she used to give me that attention that I craved. 93 00:10:12,283 --> 00:10:16,963 I had, uh, a picture that she gave me of her, and I used to… 94 00:10:17,763 --> 00:10:20,523 at the time, I would, like, kiss her picture goodnight. 95 00:10:21,563 --> 00:10:24,843 Maybe… I don't know. Maybe I just felt safer because, I don't know, like… 96 00:10:24,923 --> 00:10:29,403 You know, being molested as-- as a child, I didn't really like men, 97 00:10:29,483 --> 00:10:32,963 but I didn't see me as being gay, I didn't even know what gay was. 98 00:10:33,043 --> 00:10:36,123 It was just more of, "I like that sex." 99 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:38,283 Like, you know, "Oh, she's pretty." 100 00:10:38,363 --> 00:10:41,523 I never-- I just realized I never said to a guy, like, "Oh, he's pretty." 101 00:10:41,603 --> 00:10:43,643 It was just, you know, the women part. 102 00:10:59,843 --> 00:11:01,403 This is Tiffanie. 103 00:11:02,243 --> 00:11:03,483 Beautiful young lady. 104 00:11:06,043 --> 00:11:08,883 This is all during the time that Dee was in our lives. 105 00:11:16,403 --> 00:11:19,963 Tiffanie was able to give Dee the attention 106 00:11:20,043 --> 00:11:22,243 that she wasn't getting from me anymore. 107 00:11:24,203 --> 00:11:27,083 I think we were at Tiffanie's mom's house. 108 00:11:28,523 --> 00:11:31,763 Tiffanie was like, "I think she's in love with both of us, 109 00:11:31,843 --> 00:11:34,883 or she was in love with you and now she's in love with me." 110 00:11:34,963 --> 00:11:39,163 And I was so like, "Whoa, hold on." 111 00:11:39,243 --> 00:11:42,563 That was totally not the nature of our relationship. 112 00:11:46,523 --> 00:11:50,083 I didn't see signs of that. I thought it was more, 113 00:11:50,163 --> 00:11:52,163 "You wanted me to be your mother." 114 00:11:52,683 --> 00:11:57,003 Tiffanie was younger, and Dee gravitated toward her, 115 00:11:57,603 --> 00:12:01,643 and their relationship got weird as well. 116 00:12:10,243 --> 00:12:13,163 My niece brought it to my attention where she changed-- 117 00:12:13,243 --> 00:12:16,083 Dee changed her Facebook name. 118 00:12:17,083 --> 00:12:22,603 She named herself "Tiffanie Jackson" and sent friend requests to both of us. 119 00:12:24,763 --> 00:12:28,403 And when I saw it there was no picture, and I'm like, "Pfft! Delete." 120 00:12:28,483 --> 00:12:30,403 And my niece was like, "That's Dee." 121 00:12:30,483 --> 00:12:33,323 And I'm like, "Oh my goodness." I'm like, "Wait a minute." 122 00:12:33,403 --> 00:12:35,043 "Where's the Tiffanie comin' from?" 123 00:12:35,123 --> 00:12:38,003 And she was like, "Exactly. Like, this is getting weird to me." 124 00:12:42,683 --> 00:12:46,163 And that's when she was like, "I think she was trying to mimic my life." 125 00:12:46,243 --> 00:12:48,123 And I'm like, "Oh my God." 126 00:13:25,803 --> 00:13:29,123 When I was 18, I had my first relationship. 127 00:13:29,203 --> 00:13:31,603 And then the second was Rachel. 128 00:13:31,683 --> 00:13:34,003 I started getting clingy and liking her more and more, 129 00:13:34,083 --> 00:13:36,003 and it was mutual in the beginning, 130 00:13:36,083 --> 00:13:39,683 but the more I was, like, "Don't go anywhere," or "Come back," 131 00:13:39,763 --> 00:13:41,243 and "Are you gonna leave me?" 132 00:13:42,323 --> 00:13:45,243 the more she got very uncomfortable with me. 133 00:13:47,683 --> 00:13:52,803 I think because I never really had a mom, so, like, bouncing around, 134 00:13:52,883 --> 00:13:54,483 it's just like, "Love me, love me." 135 00:13:54,563 --> 00:13:58,243 And if it's like… I don't know, like, they reject or don't want me, 136 00:13:58,323 --> 00:14:01,483 I get crazy, you know, like depressed or… 137 00:14:02,123 --> 00:14:05,843 you know, a lot of different feelings, a lot of emotions I can't deal with. 138 00:14:08,083 --> 00:14:10,363 Maybe it was just how I picked 'em, but… 139 00:14:11,203 --> 00:14:14,563 each relationship just made me realize that, like, I wasn't enough. 140 00:14:26,203 --> 00:14:29,523 When I first met Dee, she introduced herself as Tiffanie. 141 00:14:30,883 --> 00:14:34,203 And I didn't find out until probably about six, seven months after that 142 00:14:34,283 --> 00:14:36,043 exactly what her real name was. 143 00:14:39,443 --> 00:14:42,003 I didn't know it was Deketrice until later on. 144 00:14:49,323 --> 00:14:50,603 My name's Christine. 145 00:14:51,683 --> 00:14:55,683 And Deketrice was in a relationship with my daughter, Rachel. 146 00:15:04,683 --> 00:15:06,003 Dee was nice. 147 00:15:06,083 --> 00:15:08,883 I mean, she seemed very nice at first, and she was polite, 148 00:15:09,403 --> 00:15:11,083 and, like, well-mannered. 149 00:15:11,163 --> 00:15:13,603 Next thing I know, she's, like, startin' to… 150 00:15:13,683 --> 00:15:15,403 staying at the house, and… 151 00:15:16,043 --> 00:15:17,923 next thing I know, she's, like, movin' in. 152 00:15:36,483 --> 00:15:39,443 I don't know, I was just gettin' vibes, I guess, 153 00:15:40,523 --> 00:15:44,323 that she wasn't really, uh, the right person for Rachel. 154 00:15:46,163 --> 00:15:48,363 Tiffanie would just get these things in her head, 155 00:15:48,443 --> 00:15:51,403 just thinkin' that Rachel would be doing somethin', and she's not. 156 00:15:51,483 --> 00:15:53,683 She's just at home sittin' there. 157 00:15:56,203 --> 00:15:59,683 Tiffanie wanted Rachel to just look a certain way. 158 00:16:01,163 --> 00:16:06,643 And, um, if Rachel didn't want to do… you know, go out or somethin' like that, 159 00:16:06,723 --> 00:16:09,323 then Tiffanie would get mad or… 160 00:16:09,843 --> 00:16:11,963 Then they would fight and argue. 161 00:16:14,003 --> 00:16:15,803 And she don't get her way, 162 00:16:16,923 --> 00:16:19,443 then she can flip, turn… 163 00:16:20,483 --> 00:16:22,003 kind of be a little mean. 164 00:16:34,643 --> 00:16:37,363 With Rachel, I was, you know, obsessed. 165 00:16:39,043 --> 00:16:41,923 I used to, like, follow her, like, when she would say she'd be at work, 166 00:16:42,003 --> 00:16:45,283 and I would stalk her by going to see if she's at work. 167 00:16:45,363 --> 00:16:48,243 And then there are days where I'd go there and she's not at work, 168 00:16:48,323 --> 00:16:50,283 and that's when, like, I started having those-- 169 00:16:50,363 --> 00:16:51,883 that stalking tendencies. 170 00:16:52,643 --> 00:16:54,283 I guess it has to do with trust. 171 00:16:54,763 --> 00:16:55,803 I didn't trust her. 172 00:16:56,803 --> 00:16:59,563 Like, going through her cellphone and things like that. 173 00:17:00,563 --> 00:17:03,723 I guess that's when I started, like, stalking, in a way. 174 00:17:04,843 --> 00:17:06,123 She kept trying to leave me. 175 00:17:06,203 --> 00:17:08,723 I'd do anything and everything to try to get her to stay. 176 00:17:08,803 --> 00:17:10,803 But when I get rejected… 177 00:17:12,203 --> 00:17:13,523 It's like, I want them… 178 00:17:14,243 --> 00:17:16,843 I guess I'm vindictive sometimes, because, like, 179 00:17:16,923 --> 00:17:19,643 when they're hurting me, it's like I want them to hurt. 180 00:17:20,323 --> 00:17:23,283 You know, slappin' her around and things when she would do things 181 00:17:23,363 --> 00:17:24,923 that I wasn't okay with. 182 00:17:28,763 --> 00:17:32,323 I used to call her a whore, things like that, and, like… 183 00:17:32,403 --> 00:17:34,883 So I guess I was emotionally abusive as well. 184 00:17:56,083 --> 00:17:58,203 I came home that one evening. 185 00:18:00,523 --> 00:18:03,483 When I pulled up to the house, the front door was open, 186 00:18:03,563 --> 00:18:06,643 and they were arguing, and I'm not really for sure about what. 187 00:18:09,243 --> 00:18:11,243 That's when I seen her really flip out. 188 00:18:14,803 --> 00:18:16,563 Oh, she threatened to do a lot of things. 189 00:18:19,203 --> 00:18:21,043 It scared me, you know. I don't-- 190 00:18:21,123 --> 00:18:23,723 I-- I don't wanna die. I didn't want to die then. 191 00:18:25,483 --> 00:18:28,803 The next day after that happened, that's where we got the restraining-- 192 00:18:28,883 --> 00:18:32,563 Both of, uh-- I did, Rachel and myself each got a restraining order. 193 00:18:36,483 --> 00:18:39,963 During the breakup, I kept contacting her, I kept calling her. 194 00:18:40,043 --> 00:18:43,763 Didn't understand why she didn't want me. The truth is, I didn't care. 195 00:18:45,203 --> 00:18:47,443 I was supposed to stay away from her, and I didn't. 196 00:18:49,843 --> 00:18:53,243 I kept, like, popping up at her new house which was with her mom. 197 00:18:55,683 --> 00:18:58,243 I just would, like, follow her and things like that. 198 00:19:00,443 --> 00:19:02,883 Pop up to where she was going, just let her know, like, 199 00:19:02,963 --> 00:19:05,483 "Hey, I'm sorry. Be with me," and things like that. 200 00:19:06,963 --> 00:19:10,003 The police said, "Don't go to the house." Well, I went to the house anyhow. 201 00:19:16,003 --> 00:19:18,003 She kept breakin' the restrainin' order, 202 00:19:18,083 --> 00:19:19,123 you know, comin' around. 203 00:19:19,203 --> 00:19:21,403 It's like she really didn't care that I had one. 204 00:19:22,163 --> 00:19:25,723 Because she wasn't supposed to be within 1,000 feet of either one of us, 205 00:19:26,323 --> 00:19:29,483 and she could, you know, come over and start yellin' outside. 206 00:19:30,363 --> 00:19:33,323 "Oh, I love you," and, "How can you do this to me?" and… 207 00:19:33,403 --> 00:19:36,563 I wouldn't open up the door or even talk to her. 208 00:19:36,643 --> 00:19:39,523 -She just kept bangin' and bangin'. 209 00:19:39,603 --> 00:19:43,523 She tried breakin' in through the windows, tore out all the screens. 210 00:19:44,483 --> 00:19:46,763 I was scared to death myself, you know, that… 211 00:19:47,523 --> 00:19:49,883 she was gonna come and do somethin', you know… 212 00:19:50,683 --> 00:19:52,243 to Rachel or whatever, and… 213 00:19:54,283 --> 00:19:57,723 But she would be gone by the time the officers got there, of course. 214 00:19:58,323 --> 00:20:00,323 And how long did this go on for? 215 00:20:01,083 --> 00:20:03,403 At least, uh… a year. 216 00:20:40,803 --> 00:20:43,203 I guess I didn't think about the consequences, 217 00:20:44,043 --> 00:20:46,443 because all what mattered was that I wanted her. 218 00:20:51,163 --> 00:20:54,043 I think I have, like, seven total assaults on my record. 219 00:20:54,883 --> 00:20:56,683 And I knew I shouldn't do that, 220 00:20:56,763 --> 00:21:00,483 but I did it because I wanted her to feel like how I felt, hurt. 221 00:21:05,323 --> 00:21:07,443 It breaks me down sometimes, like, well, 222 00:21:08,523 --> 00:21:12,843 just knowing, like, the feeling of not, like, finding that love. 223 00:21:12,923 --> 00:21:16,323 It's just, like, every woman wants that, you know, picket fence, 224 00:21:16,403 --> 00:21:18,883 that ma-- that, um… husband… 225 00:21:20,243 --> 00:21:22,083 the kids, the great job. 226 00:21:23,403 --> 00:21:25,683 Um, I just feel like, I guess, in that… 227 00:21:25,763 --> 00:21:29,003 In my mindset, I wanted that, just with a woman, 228 00:21:29,083 --> 00:21:31,123 and not-- not getting it is-- 229 00:21:31,203 --> 00:21:33,683 I guess it just breaks me down emotionally, 230 00:21:33,763 --> 00:21:35,483 where I get emotionally distraught. 231 00:21:35,563 --> 00:21:38,483 I just felt like, "Oh my God. I'm never gonna find love." 232 00:21:39,003 --> 00:21:43,203 And some of my friends tell me, you know, like, 233 00:21:43,283 --> 00:21:45,883 "You gotta find love through God, through Jesus." 234 00:22:10,283 --> 00:22:11,603 Several years ago, 235 00:22:11,683 --> 00:22:14,043 Dee was walking down this alley, very depressed. 236 00:22:16,363 --> 00:22:19,323 We had a sign leaning up against our shed out here that said, 237 00:22:19,403 --> 00:22:21,483 "Bible study tonight, seven o'clock." 238 00:22:22,243 --> 00:22:25,203 She had just been very angrily praying to God. 239 00:22:25,283 --> 00:22:28,043 And she said, "I want a sign." 240 00:22:28,123 --> 00:22:31,363 So she looked over and saw our sign, and she took it as a sign. 241 00:22:31,443 --> 00:22:33,883 She came right up to the porch, knocked on the door. 242 00:22:33,963 --> 00:22:38,683 I answered, and she said, "Are you havin' Bible study tonight at seven?" 243 00:22:39,243 --> 00:22:41,283 And I said, "Well, we are now." 244 00:22:45,083 --> 00:22:46,283 I'm Steve Long. 245 00:22:47,163 --> 00:22:50,483 I was Dee's pastor for several years. 246 00:22:56,363 --> 00:22:58,963 I think everybody is desperate for love. 247 00:22:59,563 --> 00:23:05,563 I think many of us come from solid families or solid social surroundings, 248 00:23:05,643 --> 00:23:09,483 and we don't even realize we need love because we're getting it all the time. 249 00:23:10,923 --> 00:23:14,363 But this is a gal that, oh man. 250 00:23:15,443 --> 00:23:18,363 That was a… that was a terrible-- a terrible upbringing, 251 00:23:18,443 --> 00:23:21,403 and it-- and it seemed to go from one thing to the next. 252 00:23:27,243 --> 00:23:30,763 One night, she called my wife and I over because she was… 253 00:23:31,443 --> 00:23:34,083 she was thinkin' about committing suicide. 254 00:23:34,163 --> 00:23:37,763 So we went over there and she went… 255 00:23:37,843 --> 00:23:41,083 just this litany of things she had gone through. 256 00:23:41,763 --> 00:23:46,803 And, I mean, we were just in tears, and-- and just tryin' to love her. 257 00:23:50,523 --> 00:23:53,443 We just try to listen and help as much as we can, and… 258 00:23:53,963 --> 00:23:57,043 And, uh… certainly, as a minister, 259 00:23:57,123 --> 00:24:00,323 I'm pointing them to Jesus Christ and the hope in Jesus Christ. 260 00:24:04,763 --> 00:24:07,323 We never mentioned homosexuality to Dee. 261 00:24:08,163 --> 00:24:09,963 She would always mention it to us. 262 00:24:10,883 --> 00:24:14,563 Her sexuality, which she… 263 00:24:15,323 --> 00:24:17,843 um… doesn't think's right. 264 00:24:17,923 --> 00:24:19,443 She doesn't think it's right. 265 00:24:19,523 --> 00:24:22,603 And so, we believe that… 266 00:24:22,683 --> 00:24:26,563 that Dee's sexuality was not in line with the Scripture, 267 00:24:27,083 --> 00:24:32,923 but we believed our love for her was totally in line with the Scripture. 268 00:25:02,763 --> 00:25:04,963 The whole two years, I was doing really well, 269 00:25:05,043 --> 00:25:06,563 and I was working at a day care. 270 00:25:07,083 --> 00:25:09,283 I was just growin', going to church faithfully, 271 00:25:10,203 --> 00:25:13,643 when I-- I started gettin' those feelings again for different women. 272 00:25:32,683 --> 00:25:34,843 I met her at this community center. 273 00:25:35,923 --> 00:25:38,763 And I didn't know that I was gonna become obsessed with her. 274 00:25:54,883 --> 00:26:00,043 I just did, like, crazy things… like, to prove that I really loved her 275 00:26:00,123 --> 00:26:02,603 and wanted her to give me a chance. 276 00:26:07,563 --> 00:26:09,403 I would, like, buy her flowers. 277 00:26:10,083 --> 00:26:13,363 And when I would pop to her house, she wouldn't answer her door. 278 00:26:16,523 --> 00:26:19,523 I would leave the gifts there and come back ten minutes later. 279 00:26:19,603 --> 00:26:21,483 I'd just drive around her neighborhood. 280 00:26:21,563 --> 00:26:23,683 I would come back to see if she took the gifts, 281 00:26:23,763 --> 00:26:25,283 and the gifts would be gone. 282 00:26:25,363 --> 00:26:29,043 So in my head I'm like, "Oh my God," like, you know, "She wanted them." 283 00:26:29,123 --> 00:26:33,403 And I thought that if I did all that, then she'll, like, give me a chance. 284 00:26:34,403 --> 00:26:36,323 And there's things like that. 285 00:26:36,403 --> 00:26:40,723 And then there's more, but some of it is, like, very, um… embarrassing, 286 00:26:40,803 --> 00:26:42,083 so I don't wanna say. 287 00:27:06,883 --> 00:27:12,283 This case came to light after one year of constant harassment 288 00:27:12,363 --> 00:27:14,723 and physical stalking of this victim. 289 00:27:18,243 --> 00:27:23,643 Ms. Jackson and the victim had only spoken a few times, 290 00:27:24,163 --> 00:27:27,563 and it was more of an infatuation of the victim 291 00:27:27,643 --> 00:27:32,563 where there was no real foundation of a relationship between the two. 292 00:27:36,283 --> 00:27:39,403 I'm Corporal David Hatch of the Springfield Police Department. 293 00:27:39,963 --> 00:27:42,683 I was assigned the stalking case involving Ms. Jackson. 294 00:28:02,203 --> 00:28:05,923 The victim reported she had received a note at her residence, 295 00:28:06,883 --> 00:28:10,123 and that escalated with voicemail messages, 296 00:28:10,763 --> 00:28:13,083 Christmas gifts, Easter gifts. 297 00:28:14,043 --> 00:28:18,723 She had dropped off flowers with numerous notes. 298 00:28:23,843 --> 00:28:25,763 Even when the victim had moved, 299 00:28:25,843 --> 00:28:28,483 Ms. Jackson was able to locate her address, 300 00:28:28,563 --> 00:28:30,003 and the gifts continued. 301 00:28:31,603 --> 00:28:34,083 It didn't matter what anyone said to Ms. Jackson, 302 00:28:34,163 --> 00:28:37,363 she was gonna continue the path she was on 303 00:28:37,443 --> 00:28:39,883 and continue to communicate with the victim. 304 00:28:45,203 --> 00:28:47,163 At one point, she had walked into a bar 305 00:28:47,243 --> 00:28:51,563 where the victim was out with, uh… someone she didn't even really know, 306 00:28:51,643 --> 00:28:54,563 and was talking to her and approached her. 307 00:28:57,883 --> 00:29:01,843 She was actually following her wherever she was going. 308 00:29:05,403 --> 00:29:06,843 I followed her. 309 00:29:07,923 --> 00:29:08,963 I wanted to, like… 310 00:29:11,323 --> 00:29:12,523 It's embarrassing. 311 00:29:12,603 --> 00:29:15,963 I guess I just wanted to show up where she was at and be like, "Oh hey!" 312 00:29:16,043 --> 00:29:17,283 Like I just got there. 313 00:29:18,003 --> 00:29:20,723 And she was like, "Get away from me." 314 00:29:24,523 --> 00:29:27,363 And when she didn't want to be with me, I lost it. 315 00:29:32,203 --> 00:29:39,163 The victim, it got into that level where she no longer believed she was safe 316 00:29:39,243 --> 00:29:43,363 leaving her home without someone with her, uh… to protect her. 317 00:30:02,843 --> 00:30:05,083 It was, like, late. Like maybe seven at night. 318 00:30:05,163 --> 00:30:08,203 And it was dark. And I was taking her gifts. 319 00:30:11,163 --> 00:30:13,203 First, I rang the doorbell, she didn't answer. 320 00:30:15,243 --> 00:30:17,523 So then I got in my car and I was, like, 321 00:30:17,603 --> 00:30:19,683 trying to text her, and she wouldn't answer the phone. 322 00:30:21,723 --> 00:30:27,363 And when I see a guy go in her house, for some reason, I took out my binoculars. 323 00:30:29,483 --> 00:30:31,323 Tried to look through her house. It was dark. 324 00:30:33,363 --> 00:30:35,043 I wasn't trying to be harmful or anything, 325 00:30:35,123 --> 00:30:37,883 I guess I was just more thinking, like, "Who is this guy?" 326 00:30:52,443 --> 00:30:57,803 The victim had contacted 911 stating the suspect, Ms. Jackson, 327 00:30:57,883 --> 00:30:59,683 uh, was outside of her residence, 328 00:30:59,763 --> 00:31:04,003 and she was afraid that Ms. Jackson was gonna break into her residence. 329 00:31:19,043 --> 00:31:21,243 Ms. Jackson would not have stopped 330 00:31:21,323 --> 00:31:23,803 harassing or stalking the victim in this case 331 00:31:23,883 --> 00:31:29,563 if law enforcement had not interjected into-- into this and investigated it. 332 00:31:33,043 --> 00:31:36,203 When I looked at the history of Ms. Jackson, 333 00:31:36,283 --> 00:31:41,123 uh, and reports filed here at Springfield Police Department, 334 00:31:42,203 --> 00:31:45,283 I would say, if there was no law enforcement, 335 00:31:46,043 --> 00:31:51,003 there's a high probability of, uh… of this changing from love notes, 336 00:31:51,083 --> 00:31:54,723 to threats, to possible bodily harm. 337 00:32:24,363 --> 00:32:26,683 When I got to prison, I was in denial. 338 00:32:30,163 --> 00:32:35,763 The longer I stay here, the more I realize that I was stalking her. 339 00:32:37,443 --> 00:32:41,123 When I go home, I am scared that it may happen again. 340 00:32:56,323 --> 00:32:57,523 I just want to… 341 00:32:58,963 --> 00:33:00,123 not do this again. 342 00:33:00,203 --> 00:33:03,123 Like, I don't wanna do this again. Like, it's not fun for me, 343 00:33:03,203 --> 00:33:06,683 you know, like, cryin' and, like, wonderin' why someone don't want me. 344 00:33:06,763 --> 00:33:07,883 Like, that's not fun. 345 00:33:11,523 --> 00:33:14,243 But I feel like, with these whole two years, 346 00:33:14,323 --> 00:33:16,683 I wasn't taking my prison time serious. 347 00:33:16,763 --> 00:33:20,603 I would flirt and, you know, be all in women faces, 348 00:33:20,683 --> 00:33:23,323 but I should have took this time to actually, like… 349 00:33:23,403 --> 00:33:26,403 like, heal in my heart and things, you know? 350 00:33:28,643 --> 00:33:31,403 Well, right now I'm on psych meds for my obsession thoughts. 351 00:33:32,523 --> 00:33:34,523 And sometimes it doesn't work, because I get… 352 00:33:34,603 --> 00:33:36,523 I'll start likin' women here, but… 353 00:33:37,603 --> 00:33:39,003 I don't know, I guess, like… 354 00:33:41,363 --> 00:33:44,963 So it won't happen again, I guess I will surround myself with, like, godly people. 355 00:33:48,163 --> 00:33:53,483 I think that I need to surrender to God and repent and just… 356 00:33:54,443 --> 00:33:56,723 I guess, just pick up my cross and follow him. 357 00:33:57,683 --> 00:34:00,123 I don't need love. I can love myself. 358 00:34:00,203 --> 00:34:03,163 I did go for two whole years, and I wasn't seeking a relationship. 359 00:34:03,243 --> 00:34:06,443 And I realized that I was-- now I look back, I did really well. 360 00:34:07,203 --> 00:34:10,123 But I can't really say if it would happen again or not, you know? 361 00:34:10,203 --> 00:34:11,803 Because no one knows the future, 362 00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:14,963 and no one knows at that moment what would actually happen. 363 00:34:31,323 --> 00:34:33,923 There are certain things that a parolee has to do 364 00:34:34,003 --> 00:34:35,643 to maintain their parole status. 365 00:34:35,723 --> 00:34:37,323 One is to not re-offend. 366 00:34:39,283 --> 00:34:41,723 Stalking re-offense is as high as 50%, 367 00:34:43,163 --> 00:34:46,603 sometimes with a repeat offense in as little as only one day. 368 00:34:51,523 --> 00:34:52,603 My name's Will Worsham. 369 00:34:52,683 --> 00:34:55,963 I was a former assistant prosecuting attorney in Greene County, Missouri. 370 00:34:57,923 --> 00:35:01,203 I now serve as a municipal judge and work in private practice. 371 00:35:15,683 --> 00:35:20,643 This docket sheet goes all the way back to 2012 and runs through 2018, 372 00:35:20,723 --> 00:35:24,003 and it shows a significant history of being on probation, 373 00:35:24,083 --> 00:35:25,723 violating probation. 374 00:35:25,803 --> 00:35:29,243 And the pattern just repeats over and over for a period of six years. 375 00:35:30,443 --> 00:35:34,403 Regardless of the length of sentence, the pattern of behavior just continues. 376 00:35:45,643 --> 00:35:49,043 So on July 18th, she's writing from jail to the judge. 377 00:35:49,123 --> 00:35:51,803 And she said, "I'm rebellious. My mind is cluttered." 378 00:35:51,883 --> 00:35:54,803 "I'm an abused child, lost trust for authority, 379 00:35:54,883 --> 00:35:59,123 admit I have attachment issues, clingy, obsession, and so on." 380 00:35:59,203 --> 00:36:02,483 "Going to get therapy, go to church, get involved with community, 381 00:36:02,563 --> 00:36:04,083 but scared I'll never change." 382 00:36:04,163 --> 00:36:05,403 "I want and need help." 383 00:36:07,643 --> 00:36:10,003 I think the most honest part here is when she says, 384 00:36:10,083 --> 00:36:12,443 "I'm scared I'll never change. I want and need help." 385 00:36:12,523 --> 00:36:14,323 That's a great thing to hear in a letter. 386 00:36:15,603 --> 00:36:18,043 But what's obvious, I think, from all of this 387 00:36:18,123 --> 00:36:20,123 is that she needs mental health support. 388 00:36:20,203 --> 00:36:21,963 She needs to be in a program, 389 00:36:22,043 --> 00:36:25,203 so we can adjust her ways of thinking and perceiving people. 390 00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:28,323 The difficulty is finding the resources to make that happen for her. 391 00:36:31,483 --> 00:36:33,203 Remember, you're dealing with somebody 392 00:36:33,283 --> 00:36:36,683 that's been in a system for her entire life. 393 00:36:36,763 --> 00:36:38,563 So she grew up in the foster system. 394 00:36:38,643 --> 00:36:42,763 So the system has always been her de facto parent 395 00:36:42,843 --> 00:36:44,083 throughout all of this. 396 00:36:44,163 --> 00:36:47,883 She's never had the opportunity to form a real relationship with a parent. 397 00:36:47,963 --> 00:36:50,043 She doesn't probably know how to do that. 398 00:36:50,123 --> 00:36:52,563 And so in a lot of ways, yeah, the system has failed, 399 00:36:52,643 --> 00:36:55,163 and it continues, to some extent, to fail her now. 400 00:36:59,123 --> 00:37:01,403 I have a lot of concern about Deketrice's future. 401 00:37:01,483 --> 00:37:06,243 I'm not sure that there's going to be services available for her that she needs. 402 00:37:06,323 --> 00:37:09,243 I mean, the church groups are gonna offer forgiveness. 403 00:37:09,883 --> 00:37:12,363 But she's gonna need somebody, professional or otherwise, 404 00:37:12,443 --> 00:37:14,163 to come alongside her 405 00:37:14,243 --> 00:37:16,523 and change her-- her way of thinking. 406 00:37:49,603 --> 00:37:50,843 -Hi! -Hey. 407 00:37:53,203 --> 00:37:55,363 -How are you feeling? -Um… 408 00:37:56,043 --> 00:37:57,443 Excited, anxious. 409 00:37:58,403 --> 00:38:01,883 I feel free from the inside, outside. 410 00:38:02,603 --> 00:38:04,123 -Grateful. -Watch your head. 411 00:38:05,563 --> 00:38:06,403 Happy. 412 00:38:20,803 --> 00:38:23,043 -Put your seat belt on. 413 00:38:51,843 --> 00:38:54,363 All right, we're gonna start, eh, and you can just… 414 00:38:54,443 --> 00:38:57,283 -So we're looking at verse three and four. -Can we pray first? 415 00:38:57,363 --> 00:38:58,843 Yeah. We sure can. 416 00:38:58,923 --> 00:39:02,643 Father, we pray that you will, even in this little short devotion, 417 00:39:02,723 --> 00:39:04,483 that we might benefit from it, 418 00:39:04,563 --> 00:39:08,403 and that you would be glorified in Jesus' name, amen. 419 00:39:08,923 --> 00:39:10,763 She has tried to change before. 420 00:39:11,323 --> 00:39:16,643 But I'm far more confident now, because she seems to be… uh… humble. 421 00:39:16,723 --> 00:39:18,803 She seems to be very humble right now. 422 00:39:20,003 --> 00:39:24,443 Well, honestly, I'm looking to, like, just keep chasing after God, you know? 423 00:39:24,523 --> 00:39:26,283 I feel like the more I read my Bible, 424 00:39:26,363 --> 00:39:28,043 the more I have that relationship with Him, 425 00:39:28,123 --> 00:39:32,043 I think that everything will be okay and that He's in control. He has this. 426 00:39:33,763 --> 00:39:36,523 Dee has a new affection, and it's changed her life. 427 00:39:36,603 --> 00:39:39,883 She's in love with Jesus Christ. She wants to please Him. 428 00:39:39,963 --> 00:39:43,243 And so everything, all her behaviors, 429 00:39:43,323 --> 00:39:46,843 are growing out of that new affection she has. 430 00:39:48,403 --> 00:39:51,963 I realized that when I do do things my way, everything falls apart. 431 00:39:52,883 --> 00:39:55,683 And when I do things His way, everything lined up. 432 00:39:55,763 --> 00:40:01,043 So I just gotta remember not to, um… get, like, into any law trouble or anything 433 00:40:01,123 --> 00:40:03,163 just by just obeying His commands. 434 00:40:03,243 --> 00:40:04,843 Not be a slave of sin, 435 00:40:04,923 --> 00:40:09,843 but to obey Him and give up everything, like, for Him. 436 00:40:18,083 --> 00:40:19,563 I'm gonna stay out of prison. 437 00:40:21,483 --> 00:40:24,603 I'm gonna not ever be obsessed with anyone again. 438 00:40:27,083 --> 00:40:29,923 And I just wanna take a day at a time. 439 00:40:42,963 --> 00:40:47,723 So I won't go on a bad path, I've been avoiding… old friends. 440 00:40:47,803 --> 00:40:51,043 I've been avoiding… alcohol. 441 00:40:52,043 --> 00:40:53,683 And I've been avoiding women. 442 00:40:55,803 --> 00:40:57,963 It's just been better to just… 443 00:40:59,163 --> 00:41:02,723 you know, just work on myself, and get on my feet. 444 00:41:04,043 --> 00:41:05,083 I have a job. 445 00:41:05,923 --> 00:41:07,723 I'm a server at Mexican Villa. 446 00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:11,443 So everything is going to plan. 447 00:41:14,243 --> 00:41:16,723 I always felt like I was missin' somethin' in life 448 00:41:17,243 --> 00:41:19,123 because I didn't grow up with attention. 449 00:41:19,203 --> 00:41:21,123 I only got attention when I was bad. 450 00:41:21,203 --> 00:41:25,963 And I think that I found what I was missing. 451 00:41:26,643 --> 00:41:28,803 It was always in my heart. I found Jesus. 452 00:41:32,083 --> 00:41:34,003 You know, it's a sin to be gay. 453 00:41:36,563 --> 00:41:38,563 Can you see that your obsessions 454 00:41:38,643 --> 00:41:40,963 and your sexuality are two different things? 455 00:41:41,043 --> 00:41:43,763 And that there's actually nothing wrong with being gay? 456 00:41:46,283 --> 00:41:49,323 I don't think it's wrong, but God does. 457 00:41:49,403 --> 00:41:52,883 And it doesn't matter what I think. It matters what God thinks. 458 00:41:52,963 --> 00:41:56,643 And I would love to get married with a woman, but… 459 00:41:57,483 --> 00:42:01,243 you know, God doesn't want that, and I have to obey what He wants.