1 00:00:06,876 --> 00:00:08,443 Take one. Mark. 2 00:00:10,097 --> 00:00:11,185 We're ready. 3 00:00:12,708 --> 00:00:14,753 All right. We ready to roll again? 4 00:00:14,797 --> 00:00:16,755 - How's that? - Good. 5 00:00:16,799 --> 00:00:18,496 I just wanted to make a difference, you know? 6 00:00:18,540 --> 00:00:21,064 I mean, I'm not doing this for 15 minutes of fame. 7 00:00:21,108 --> 00:00:22,631 I mean, who'd want to throw themselves 8 00:00:22,674 --> 00:00:24,372 under the train for that? 9 00:00:24,415 --> 00:00:28,811 It's--I just want it to change for women and young girls 10 00:00:28,854 --> 00:00:30,726 to think twice about what they're doing. 11 00:00:33,250 --> 00:00:35,774 'Cause there's always gonna be a guy like Hef 12 00:00:35,818 --> 00:00:37,994 in the--in the wings. 13 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:40,388 Some of these girls 14 00:00:40,431 --> 00:00:44,218 don't want to bring up those memories. 15 00:00:44,261 --> 00:00:45,567 You know, there's a lot 16 00:00:45,610 --> 00:00:47,308 that don't want to even talk about it. 17 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:52,748 Ready? 18 00:00:52,791 --> 00:00:54,358 - No. - No? 19 00:00:54,402 --> 00:00:57,579 Okay. Okay. 20 00:00:57,622 --> 00:00:58,884 All right. 21 00:00:58,928 --> 00:01:00,582 Are you ready? 22 00:01:00,625 --> 00:01:03,106 I'm ready. 23 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:06,370 I don't think we know 24 00:01:06,414 --> 00:01:09,069 what Hugh Hefner's legacy is yet, ultimately. 25 00:01:09,112 --> 00:01:12,594 I don't think the dust has even settled. 26 00:01:15,945 --> 00:01:17,773 We have some breaking news for you tonight. 27 00:01:17,816 --> 00:01:20,515 Playboy founder Hugh Hefner has died at the age of 91. 28 00:01:20,558 --> 00:01:22,299 Hefner changed America when he introduced 29 00:01:22,343 --> 00:01:24,910 "Playboy" magazine back in 1953. 30 00:01:24,954 --> 00:01:27,130 He changed the magazine culture. 31 00:01:27,174 --> 00:01:29,219 He changed the American sex culture, if you will. 32 00:01:29,263 --> 00:01:30,699 But that came with some controversy. 33 00:01:30,742 --> 00:01:33,180 Hefner's legacy is very confusing 34 00:01:33,223 --> 00:01:37,445 because he sold women a very seductive package 35 00:01:37,488 --> 00:01:39,403 about sexual freedom 36 00:01:39,447 --> 00:01:42,276 and what that means in our culture. 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,800 And yet, there's a lot of hypocrisy around that. 38 00:01:46,845 --> 00:01:50,153 He's like a cipher. You can make him the devil. 39 00:01:50,197 --> 00:01:51,850 You can make him 40 00:01:51,894 --> 00:01:53,852 one of the most important Americans who ever lived. 41 00:01:53,896 --> 00:01:56,594 You can say he celebrated women. 42 00:01:56,638 --> 00:01:58,640 You can say he was a terrible sexist. 43 00:01:58,683 --> 00:02:00,946 He is whatever you want him to be. 44 00:02:00,990 --> 00:02:04,776 I don't think Hefner was a super moral individual. 45 00:02:04,820 --> 00:02:07,388 Hugh Hefner was a transactional man. 46 00:02:07,431 --> 00:02:09,259 He was a businessman. 47 00:02:09,303 --> 00:02:12,262 I think he--I think he was a monster. 48 00:02:12,306 --> 00:02:16,136 I could look at him, and I saw the devil. 49 00:02:20,705 --> 00:02:22,664 My name is Hugh Hefner. 50 00:02:22,707 --> 00:02:24,579 I'm editor/publisher of "Playboy" magazine. 51 00:02:24,622 --> 00:02:26,537 When Hugh Hefner was just 27, 52 00:02:26,581 --> 00:02:28,713 he fashioned himself and "Playboy" 53 00:02:28,757 --> 00:02:31,107 as the face of sexual liberation. 54 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:32,674 "Playboy" is one of the most famous 55 00:02:32,717 --> 00:02:34,676 brand names in the world. 56 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:36,243 I would like to be remembered as somebody 57 00:02:36,286 --> 00:02:38,158 who played some positive part 58 00:02:38,201 --> 00:02:40,943 in changing the social, sexual values of my time. 59 00:02:42,379 --> 00:02:45,513 I believe that Hef pulled one over on the whole world. 60 00:02:46,818 --> 00:02:48,951 The fantasy of "Playboy" that he created 61 00:02:48,994 --> 00:02:52,041 did not allow for the consent of the women. 62 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:55,218 When it came to Hefner's buddies, 63 00:02:55,262 --> 00:02:57,307 you had to keep those secrets quiet. 64 00:02:57,351 --> 00:02:58,961 Whatever you got for free. 65 00:02:59,004 --> 00:03:00,789 When you get someone that powerful, 66 00:03:00,832 --> 00:03:03,400 anything could happen. Anything. 67 00:03:03,444 --> 00:03:05,141 The people who were really there, 68 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:06,708 they're the ones who know the real truth. 69 00:03:06,751 --> 00:03:09,319 I want to be a voice for the women 70 00:03:09,363 --> 00:03:11,060 that suffered the most at his hands. 71 00:03:19,242 --> 00:03:22,245 ♪ 72 00:03:22,289 --> 00:03:24,465 I know. Time for breakfast. 73 00:03:24,508 --> 00:03:29,426 ♪ 74 00:03:29,470 --> 00:03:31,559 Time for breakfast? 75 00:03:33,474 --> 00:03:34,823 Who wants breakfast? 76 00:03:37,391 --> 00:03:38,957 Okay. 77 00:03:39,001 --> 00:03:42,004 My name is Jennifer Saginor. 78 00:03:42,047 --> 00:03:44,224 I grew up at the Playboy Mansion. 79 00:03:45,790 --> 00:03:47,227 Since Hefner's death, 80 00:03:47,270 --> 00:03:50,273 I'm noticing that people that were close to "Playboy" 81 00:03:50,317 --> 00:03:51,622 are starting to suddenly go back 82 00:03:51,666 --> 00:03:54,190 and reevaluate their experiences 83 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:55,496 and they're starting to speak out. 84 00:03:58,020 --> 00:04:00,936 It's taken me a long time to sort of unravel 85 00:04:00,979 --> 00:04:04,244 what I experienced growing up and how it made me feel. 86 00:04:06,550 --> 00:04:09,597 I had a sense of loyalty to this inner sanctum, 87 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,296 to this inner circle that I was initiated into very young. 88 00:04:13,340 --> 00:04:16,560 I didn't want to break that loyalty 89 00:04:16,604 --> 00:04:18,693 because I knew there would be serious consequences. 90 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,043 All right. 91 00:04:21,086 --> 00:04:23,611 It was such a weird, up place. 92 00:04:23,654 --> 00:04:27,092 But, I mean, the truth is that growing up there as a kid, 93 00:04:27,136 --> 00:04:29,965 it was magical. 94 00:04:30,008 --> 00:04:33,751 I was six when I went there for the first time. 95 00:04:33,795 --> 00:04:36,406 When I was 11, 96 00:04:36,450 --> 00:04:40,236 I basically started living there part time. 97 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,934 My father was Hefner's best friend and doctor 98 00:04:42,978 --> 00:04:47,287 for about 40 years and had his own room there as well. 99 00:04:48,810 --> 00:04:52,335 The Mansion was like a magical kingdom. 100 00:04:52,379 --> 00:04:55,599 I could have anything I wanted. 101 00:04:55,643 --> 00:04:58,341 I mean, the game room was unbelievable. 102 00:04:58,385 --> 00:05:01,213 You know, I would literally just take as many gumballs 103 00:05:01,257 --> 00:05:02,824 and M&M's as I wanted. 104 00:05:04,695 --> 00:05:06,828 In the morning, the butlers would make my lunch 105 00:05:06,871 --> 00:05:10,527 and I would get into Hef's limo and go to school. 106 00:05:10,571 --> 00:05:14,966 And there was a zoo on the Mansion property. 107 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:18,535 All the Playmates would sort of watch over me. 108 00:05:18,579 --> 00:05:23,279 And these girls became sort of substitute mother figures. 109 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:25,586 Dorothy Stratten used to babysit me. 110 00:05:25,629 --> 00:05:28,632 She was Playmate of the Year. 111 00:05:28,676 --> 00:05:31,853 We used to always, like, play dress up. 112 00:05:31,896 --> 00:05:34,072 We used to just go like roller-skating 113 00:05:34,116 --> 00:05:37,075 on the tennis court. 114 00:05:37,119 --> 00:05:40,688 So, for me, those connections became everything. 115 00:05:42,516 --> 00:05:47,172 I have so many happy memories of myself with Hef. 116 00:05:47,216 --> 00:05:48,870 I remember sitting on my father's knee 117 00:05:48,913 --> 00:05:51,960 while he and Hef were playing backgammon. 118 00:05:52,003 --> 00:05:54,354 We would play pinball in the game room 119 00:05:54,397 --> 00:05:57,313 and Hef would let me put my thumb on top of his. 120 00:05:57,357 --> 00:05:58,923 It just made me feel so special. 121 00:05:58,967 --> 00:06:02,492 Like he was just such a very, like, soft, comforting, 122 00:06:02,536 --> 00:06:05,887 nurturing, sort of, like, you know, paternal figure. 123 00:06:07,062 --> 00:06:09,717 My most special memory is Christmas though. 124 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,849 I just remember like Frank Sinatra 125 00:06:11,893 --> 00:06:14,025 and the music in the background 126 00:06:14,069 --> 00:06:15,636 and the buffet table. 127 00:06:15,679 --> 00:06:18,726 And it was just really a sense of family. 128 00:06:21,119 --> 00:06:26,342 There's something about it that was very free, you know, 129 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:28,953 and like warm and comforting. 130 00:06:32,740 --> 00:06:35,090 I just don't find that now. 131 00:06:37,135 --> 00:06:40,400 I haven't found that in any point in my life. 132 00:06:43,446 --> 00:06:46,449 ♪ 133 00:06:46,493 --> 00:06:49,104 I am so thrilled to be in this beautiful house 134 00:06:49,147 --> 00:06:50,932 where you live, the Playboy Mansion. 135 00:06:50,975 --> 00:06:53,369 Tell me what this house means to you. 136 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:56,198 Well, first of all, it's home. 137 00:06:56,241 --> 00:06:58,940 I was born and raised, as you know, in Chicago 138 00:06:58,983 --> 00:07:01,029 and have a very lovely home there, 139 00:07:01,072 --> 00:07:03,292 which was the original Playboy Mansion. 140 00:07:03,335 --> 00:07:05,773 But in 1971, I got this house. 141 00:07:05,816 --> 00:07:09,777 And around '75, I just decided to make the move. 142 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:11,474 It has been referred to by some friends as Shangri La. 143 00:07:11,518 --> 00:07:14,390 The rumor is that you don't get older 144 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:16,479 once you come through the gates. 145 00:07:19,482 --> 00:07:21,615 I think all of us who were part of the scene 146 00:07:21,658 --> 00:07:25,880 at the Playboy Mansion, there was an unwritten rule. 147 00:07:25,923 --> 00:07:27,577 You left your troubles at the gate. 148 00:07:27,621 --> 00:07:30,319 ♪ 149 00:07:30,362 --> 00:07:33,931 You drive up this driveway and the first thing you see 150 00:07:33,975 --> 00:07:37,500 is this fountain which was like a dolphin... 151 00:07:37,544 --> 00:07:40,155 being molested by a baby. 152 00:07:40,198 --> 00:07:44,289 And then you pull up to this great Gothic house. 153 00:07:44,333 --> 00:07:47,945 There's this big wooden door that creaks open. 154 00:07:47,989 --> 00:07:49,860 You know, there were signs about "Playmates at play" 155 00:07:49,904 --> 00:07:52,950 and also, you know, "Careful about the monkeys." 156 00:07:52,994 --> 00:07:54,474 I mean, it was just like arriving 157 00:07:54,691 --> 00:07:58,347 in the strangest Xanadu. 158 00:07:59,391 --> 00:08:00,610 Every man wanted to be there. 159 00:08:00,828 --> 00:08:03,308 Every woman wanted to be there. 160 00:08:03,352 --> 00:08:06,616 The parties were extravagant. 161 00:08:06,660 --> 00:08:08,575 If you open the wrong door, 162 00:08:08,618 --> 00:08:12,100 you're gonna see a whole lot more than you anticipated. 163 00:08:12,143 --> 00:08:15,582 Even in the foliage sometimes. 164 00:08:17,235 --> 00:08:20,935 I mean, the parties, the roller skating, 165 00:08:20,978 --> 00:08:23,764 the tennis matches, volleyball. 166 00:08:23,807 --> 00:08:28,420 There was always something going on that was for fun. 167 00:08:28,464 --> 00:08:30,510 These are the things that people don't understand 168 00:08:30,553 --> 00:08:33,382 about the Playboy Mansion or about Hugh Hefner. 169 00:08:33,425 --> 00:08:38,082 They don't understand what I call the innocent times. 170 00:08:38,126 --> 00:08:41,172 Oh, my God, I remember that party--that's insane. 171 00:08:41,216 --> 00:08:44,349 These are so fun, these parties. 172 00:08:44,393 --> 00:08:47,352 There was something in the air that made you feel 173 00:08:47,396 --> 00:08:50,486 that nobody was judging you. 174 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:53,794 And many of the women truly enjoyed 175 00:08:53,837 --> 00:08:58,625 not feeling so constricted by our society. 176 00:08:58,668 --> 00:09:01,192 You're free to be whoever you want to be. 177 00:09:08,896 --> 00:09:10,898 Everything was so beautiful. 178 00:09:12,943 --> 00:09:14,815 It was very glamorous. 179 00:09:17,252 --> 00:09:20,124 And it was Hef's world, you know? 180 00:09:20,168 --> 00:09:23,563 Hefner...created it. 181 00:09:23,606 --> 00:09:26,870 He molded it. And he was king. 182 00:09:26,914 --> 00:09:29,220 Much of what Playboy's all about, really, 183 00:09:29,264 --> 00:09:31,222 is a Disneyland for adults, 184 00:09:31,266 --> 00:09:33,834 a projection of those adolescent dreams 185 00:09:33,877 --> 00:09:35,618 and fantasies that I had in growing up 186 00:09:35,662 --> 00:09:38,360 that I've never really lost. 187 00:09:38,403 --> 00:09:41,755 Hugh Hefner was in his own world. 188 00:09:41,798 --> 00:09:43,539 If you look at the photos, 189 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:46,629 he thought he was the king, the emperor. 190 00:09:46,673 --> 00:09:51,416 We were just servants. Everybody else was invisible. 191 00:09:51,460 --> 00:09:54,463 He didn't want to know our names. 192 00:09:54,506 --> 00:09:58,336 He just gave us directions. We had to memorize them. 193 00:09:58,380 --> 00:10:02,732 He drank around 35, 40 Pepsis a day. 194 00:10:02,776 --> 00:10:06,257 I had to wrap them in a special red napkin 195 00:10:06,301 --> 00:10:08,477 according to the instructions. 196 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,001 He ate mostly M&M's, 197 00:10:11,045 --> 00:10:12,655 2 or 3 pounds a day, 198 00:10:12,699 --> 00:10:15,136 and red licorice. 199 00:10:15,179 --> 00:10:18,313 His condoms were stacked in a certain place 200 00:10:18,356 --> 00:10:19,662 in the headboard. 201 00:10:19,706 --> 00:10:22,578 There were 150 rules. 202 00:10:22,622 --> 00:10:25,363 We had to follow them exactly. 203 00:10:25,407 --> 00:10:28,715 We were told, "You cannot talk to the girls. 204 00:10:28,758 --> 00:10:31,108 "You're not their friend. 205 00:10:31,152 --> 00:10:34,808 You work for Mr. Hefner. You don't work for them." 206 00:10:39,203 --> 00:10:41,510 As a child, I looked up to Hefner 207 00:10:41,553 --> 00:10:44,992 because he had this big magic castle 208 00:10:45,035 --> 00:10:49,823 and he was larger than life, and he was charming, 209 00:10:49,866 --> 00:10:51,999 and everybody loved him, 210 00:10:52,042 --> 00:10:54,958 and he seemed very humble 211 00:10:55,002 --> 00:10:59,093 and was very generous and seemed like, 212 00:10:59,136 --> 00:11:01,095 you know, a really amazing person 213 00:11:01,138 --> 00:11:03,488 who deserved these blessings. 214 00:11:03,532 --> 00:11:05,969 ♪ 215 00:11:06,013 --> 00:11:09,494 Years later, I started to realize 216 00:11:09,538 --> 00:11:11,583 that everyone in this environment 217 00:11:11,627 --> 00:11:14,761 put Hef on a pedestal. 218 00:11:14,804 --> 00:11:17,111 And it wasn't genuine. 219 00:11:17,154 --> 00:11:20,331 This was all like an illusion. 220 00:11:30,733 --> 00:11:33,214 Everything you heard about Hefner and "Playboy" 221 00:11:33,257 --> 00:11:38,393 was exactly what his PR agency wanted you to hear. 222 00:11:38,436 --> 00:11:42,484 It was a very calculated misrepresentation of the truth. 223 00:11:42,527 --> 00:11:44,486 Playboy became kind of something more than 224 00:11:44,529 --> 00:11:46,140 just a magazine for me. 225 00:11:46,183 --> 00:11:50,448 It really was a projection of a way of life 226 00:11:50,492 --> 00:11:52,886 and, uh, what we now call an alternate lifestyle, 227 00:11:52,929 --> 00:11:54,452 if you will. 228 00:11:54,496 --> 00:11:57,760 The Playboy Philosophy was like a manifesto. 229 00:11:57,804 --> 00:12:01,764 For him, it was always about individual freedom. 230 00:12:01,808 --> 00:12:03,157 "I should be able to say what I want 231 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,549 "as long as I'm not hurting anybody. 232 00:12:04,593 --> 00:12:06,508 "I should be able to sleep with who I want 233 00:12:06,551 --> 00:12:08,423 as long as I'm not hurting anybody." 234 00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:13,210 The blueprint for "Playboy" can be traced 235 00:12:13,254 --> 00:12:16,866 to his entire life leading up to that point. 236 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:19,477 Hef was born during the Roaring '20s 237 00:12:19,521 --> 00:12:21,436 and the Jazz Age. 238 00:12:21,479 --> 00:12:23,046 His parents were strict Methodists, 239 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:27,094 and there wasn't a lot of affection shown in the home. 240 00:12:27,137 --> 00:12:29,966 He came out of the war, got married. 241 00:12:30,010 --> 00:12:32,099 I think you've got to find yourself 242 00:12:32,142 --> 00:12:35,493 before you find your lifelong mate. 243 00:12:35,537 --> 00:12:37,582 And looking around at the repressive society 244 00:12:37,626 --> 00:12:40,368 that existed in America after World War II, 245 00:12:40,411 --> 00:12:42,413 he felt he had things to say. 246 00:12:42,457 --> 00:12:46,330 In 1953, Hugh Hefner was 27 years old, 247 00:12:46,374 --> 00:12:49,203 literally at a card table with a little typewriter. 248 00:12:49,246 --> 00:12:51,292 And he managed to pull together the money 249 00:12:51,335 --> 00:12:52,772 to launch the first edition of "Playboy," 250 00:12:52,815 --> 00:12:56,166 which they didn't even put a date on it 251 00:12:56,210 --> 00:12:58,125 because they weren't sure there was gonna be a second edition. 252 00:12:58,168 --> 00:12:59,909 Because they had Marilyn Monroe on the cover 253 00:12:59,953 --> 00:13:02,259 and Marilyn Monroe on the inside, 254 00:13:02,303 --> 00:13:05,088 the first issue sold all 50,000 copies immediately. 255 00:13:05,132 --> 00:13:06,786 By the 1970s, 256 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:10,137 "Playboy" was selling 7 million copies a month. 257 00:13:10,180 --> 00:13:14,010 "Playboy" was classy. It was intoxicating. 258 00:13:14,054 --> 00:13:16,491 There was naked women in there, there was nudity. 259 00:13:16,534 --> 00:13:19,842 But also it was brilliant articles. 260 00:13:19,886 --> 00:13:24,673 It was incisive philosophy. It was leading the culture. 261 00:13:24,716 --> 00:13:26,980 I think the search for a new ethical, you know, 262 00:13:27,023 --> 00:13:29,025 set of moral values based on something 263 00:13:29,069 --> 00:13:32,594 other than simply rigid rules set forth 264 00:13:32,637 --> 00:13:34,465 many, many centuries ago 265 00:13:34,509 --> 00:13:38,513 is something from which only good can come. 266 00:13:38,556 --> 00:13:40,297 In the '50s and '60s, 267 00:13:40,341 --> 00:13:43,213 "Playboy" was instrumental in advancing 268 00:13:43,257 --> 00:13:45,607 the First Amendment and freedom of speech. 269 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:48,784 And the magazine was able to pursue issues 270 00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:50,917 and social concerns 271 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,355 that just weren't being addressed in American society. 272 00:13:54,398 --> 00:13:56,748 Look at civil rights. 273 00:13:56,792 --> 00:13:58,707 I knew all along 274 00:13:58,750 --> 00:14:00,230 that Hef was a champion of civil rights, 275 00:14:00,274 --> 00:14:02,624 one, because I read the magazine, 276 00:14:02,667 --> 00:14:04,495 so I saw some of the people 277 00:14:04,539 --> 00:14:06,280 that he had done articles with, 278 00:14:06,323 --> 00:14:08,935 including Malcolm X. 279 00:14:08,978 --> 00:14:10,632 Then there were the Playboy Clubs. 280 00:14:10,675 --> 00:14:14,070 So the first Playboy Club opened in 1960, 281 00:14:14,114 --> 00:14:16,638 which was, of course, a time of 282 00:14:16,681 --> 00:14:18,596 tremendous racial segregation in this country. 283 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,427 Hef did not believe in segregation. He didn't. 284 00:14:23,471 --> 00:14:25,952 At the Playboy Clubs, there were Black Bunnies, 285 00:14:25,995 --> 00:14:27,779 there were Black general managers. 286 00:14:27,823 --> 00:14:30,043 This was the way it was. 287 00:14:30,086 --> 00:14:32,175 Hi, and welcome to "Playboy's Penthouse." 288 00:14:32,219 --> 00:14:33,916 Sammy Davis Jr. will be here in a little while. 289 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,528 "Playboy's Penthouse" aired in 1959. 290 00:14:37,572 --> 00:14:40,444 There were very strong Jim Crow laws. 291 00:14:40,488 --> 00:14:42,751 Whites were not allowed to mingle with Blacks 292 00:14:42,794 --> 00:14:44,535 and vice versa. 293 00:14:44,579 --> 00:14:49,497 And yet this Hugh Hefner had the audacity 294 00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:51,499 to let Blacks come on to his television show 295 00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:54,763 and not just sing and be whisked away. 296 00:14:54,806 --> 00:14:56,417 How long have you been singing, Tina? 297 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:59,550 Well, personally, I've been singing for nine years. 298 00:14:59,594 --> 00:15:03,337 No, he set an egalitarian atmosphere 299 00:15:03,380 --> 00:15:06,383 where Blacks could come and mingle. 300 00:15:06,427 --> 00:15:10,431 Who else was doing that but Hugh Hefner? 301 00:15:12,085 --> 00:15:13,956 As a child, I definitely felt 302 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,611 that message of equality at the Mansion. 303 00:15:16,654 --> 00:15:19,919 There was always an air of acceptance. 304 00:15:19,962 --> 00:15:22,747 Oh, my God. These are like the disco parties 305 00:15:22,791 --> 00:15:24,097 in the foyer, 306 00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:28,492 where I used to watch as a kid on the banister. 307 00:15:28,536 --> 00:15:31,408 When I was around 10 or 11 308 00:15:31,452 --> 00:15:34,759 and I had my own bedroom there, 309 00:15:34,803 --> 00:15:38,285 at night, I would hear loud music, 310 00:15:38,328 --> 00:15:43,725 and I would hear everyone down below partying and having fun. 311 00:15:43,768 --> 00:15:47,772 I would sneak out my bedroom door and down the hallway 312 00:15:47,816 --> 00:15:51,385 and hide behind the banister and look below. 313 00:15:54,779 --> 00:15:57,869 I would see all these Playmates 314 00:15:57,913 --> 00:16:00,046 and women dressed in these beautiful gowns 315 00:16:00,089 --> 00:16:02,135 and sparkly outfits. 316 00:16:03,788 --> 00:16:06,226 And I just couldn't wait to be able to be older 317 00:16:06,269 --> 00:16:09,098 and be down there at the parties with them. 318 00:16:09,142 --> 00:16:12,754 ♪ 319 00:16:17,454 --> 00:16:19,674 I'd always heard from a young age 320 00:16:19,717 --> 00:16:22,503 that Hef was someone that was this big, 321 00:16:22,546 --> 00:16:24,418 you know, feminist advocate 322 00:16:24,461 --> 00:16:27,073 and an advocate for women's rights. 323 00:16:27,116 --> 00:16:30,598 I think the primary aims of women's lib, 324 00:16:30,641 --> 00:16:33,862 the part that do not get the publicity 325 00:16:33,905 --> 00:16:35,733 and the TV and newspapers 326 00:16:35,777 --> 00:16:38,084 are things that "Playboy" endorses 327 00:16:38,127 --> 00:16:41,826 and has worked for over the years. 328 00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:45,047 He used to say, "Even nice girls like sex. 329 00:16:45,091 --> 00:16:48,485 They're allowed to like sex." 330 00:16:48,529 --> 00:16:50,835 As a little kid, I was buying it that 331 00:16:50,879 --> 00:16:53,969 these women were empowered and walking around naked 332 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:55,231 and felt good about their bodies 333 00:16:55,275 --> 00:16:57,059 and the feminists simply didn't get it. 334 00:16:57,103 --> 00:16:59,061 Hugh Hefner is my enemy. 335 00:17:00,845 --> 00:17:03,283 With "Playboy," there's this entire conflict over, 336 00:17:03,326 --> 00:17:05,633 "Are the women expressing themselves freely 337 00:17:05,676 --> 00:17:08,375 or are they being exploited?" 338 00:17:08,418 --> 00:17:12,553 As time went on, I saw some of the inconsistencies. 339 00:17:12,596 --> 00:17:15,295 I saw just all the tremendous hypocrisy. 340 00:17:21,388 --> 00:17:23,216 Mr. Hefner, 341 00:17:23,259 --> 00:17:26,132 you were picketed tonight from Women's Liberation, 342 00:17:26,175 --> 00:17:27,698 and they say that "Playboy" magazine 343 00:17:27,742 --> 00:17:30,658 and this contest distort the role of womanhood. 344 00:17:30,701 --> 00:17:32,268 What's your response to that? 345 00:17:32,312 --> 00:17:34,270 We need more love and more beauty in the world 346 00:17:34,314 --> 00:17:37,230 that already has too much hate and ugliness in it. 347 00:17:37,273 --> 00:17:40,929 I was surprised when, in the '70s, 348 00:17:40,972 --> 00:17:43,279 the feminists were really attacking Hef. 349 00:17:43,323 --> 00:17:45,194 From the point of view of like Hefner, my father, 350 00:17:45,238 --> 00:17:47,762 and the inner circle of the boys club, 351 00:17:47,805 --> 00:17:49,503 they were feeling as if they were being attacked 352 00:17:49,546 --> 00:17:51,113 for absolutely no reason, 353 00:17:51,157 --> 00:17:53,942 that there was a witch hunt going on against them. 354 00:17:53,985 --> 00:17:56,118 There's something wrong when an attractive girl 355 00:17:56,162 --> 00:17:58,164 can make more money as a Playboy Bunny 356 00:17:58,207 --> 00:18:00,340 or a cover girl than anything else. 357 00:18:03,995 --> 00:18:06,215 "Playboy's" greatest critics throughout its history 358 00:18:06,259 --> 00:18:10,132 have been members of the moral rights. 359 00:18:10,176 --> 00:18:12,613 And, you know, what Hugh Hefner would have described 360 00:18:12,656 --> 00:18:14,397 as "radical feminists." 361 00:18:14,441 --> 00:18:17,574 They opposed the objectification of women 362 00:18:17,618 --> 00:18:20,577 that was central to "Playboy's" existence. 363 00:18:20,621 --> 00:18:23,102 I'm more in sympathy than perhaps, you know, 364 00:18:23,145 --> 00:18:24,233 the girls realize with-- 365 00:18:24,277 --> 00:18:25,582 - Women. - Women. 366 00:18:25,626 --> 00:18:26,975 - I'm sorry. - Yes, I'm 35. 367 00:18:27,018 --> 00:18:28,411 Than the ladies realize. 368 00:18:28,455 --> 00:18:31,327 I use girls referring to women of all ages. 369 00:18:31,371 --> 00:18:33,895 - You should stop. - You want to be called a boy? 370 00:18:33,938 --> 00:18:36,027 - Would you like to-- - Oh, I see. Okay. 371 00:18:39,944 --> 00:18:42,947 I'd always felt it was complimentary, but-- 372 00:18:42,991 --> 00:18:44,819 That's because your magazine is an image of women 373 00:18:44,862 --> 00:18:47,126 at an arrested development. 374 00:18:47,169 --> 00:18:49,867 Well, let me-- 375 00:18:49,911 --> 00:18:53,436 On "The Dick Cavett Show," Hefner was there. 376 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,528 And there was a woman, she was very, very angry and saying, 377 00:18:58,572 --> 00:19:00,704 "How could you do this to women? 378 00:19:00,748 --> 00:19:04,795 How could you objectify women in such a demeaning manner?" 379 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:10,845 You know, and he just sat there just as cool as ice. 380 00:19:10,888 --> 00:19:13,195 Hefner was classy. 381 00:19:13,239 --> 00:19:17,068 Hefner was educated and refined. 382 00:19:17,112 --> 00:19:21,464 So for me to align myself with "Playboy" magazine, 383 00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:24,337 it was okay. 384 00:19:25,773 --> 00:19:32,171 I was Miss January 1973. My photos were gorgeous. 385 00:19:32,214 --> 00:19:35,348 And then I became director of Playmate Promotions. 386 00:19:37,001 --> 00:19:38,481 At that point in time, 387 00:19:38,525 --> 00:19:41,049 I wasn't interested in marriage. 388 00:19:41,092 --> 00:19:43,834 But I was interested in Playboy Enterprises, 389 00:19:43,878 --> 00:19:46,794 because women were taking their power. 390 00:19:46,837 --> 00:19:49,492 They were in command of themselves. 391 00:19:49,536 --> 00:19:54,758 So I thought, "Well, wow! wow! That's good to me." 392 00:19:54,802 --> 00:19:57,370 And it went along with the sexual revolution 393 00:19:57,413 --> 00:19:58,893 that was going on. 394 00:19:58,936 --> 00:20:02,288 I had a lot of power, a lot of freedom. 395 00:20:02,331 --> 00:20:04,942 It was freedom, you know? 396 00:20:04,986 --> 00:20:07,989 My Bunny name was Bunny Jaki. 397 00:20:08,032 --> 00:20:13,429 And I started working at Playboy in 1967 398 00:20:13,473 --> 00:20:15,997 for 11 1/2 years. 399 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,087 We definitely got paid well. 400 00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:22,612 And I bought a car, and I lived the way I wanted to. 401 00:20:22,656 --> 00:20:28,792 We had more freedom than as a secretary or as a teacher. 402 00:20:28,836 --> 00:20:31,708 It's 1981. I'm in Chicago as the Bunny Mother. 403 00:20:31,752 --> 00:20:34,102 I had 70 Bunnies underneath me. 404 00:20:34,145 --> 00:20:37,061 We did a lot of things to help rise these girls up. 405 00:20:37,105 --> 00:20:40,369 And it was exciting to me because I knew 406 00:20:40,413 --> 00:20:42,806 that I could move up the ladder in corporate. 407 00:20:42,850 --> 00:20:45,853 There were oftentimes when I would be interviewed 408 00:20:45,896 --> 00:20:47,985 by a strong feminist. 409 00:20:48,029 --> 00:20:50,161 And she would come at me really hard. 410 00:20:50,205 --> 00:20:52,207 And I would just, "Mm-hmm. Yeah." 411 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,515 And I would answer and let them know 412 00:20:55,558 --> 00:20:59,301 that I was definitely in charge of my life 413 00:20:59,345 --> 00:21:01,651 and this was my choice. 414 00:21:01,695 --> 00:21:04,915 Now, of course, it came at a cost. 415 00:21:04,959 --> 00:21:09,746 But at that moment in time, I didn't know about that. 416 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:14,969 ♪ 417 00:21:15,012 --> 00:21:17,493 I didn't realize what was going on at the time, 418 00:21:17,537 --> 00:21:21,105 that "Playboy" really wasn't about freedom of expression. 419 00:21:21,149 --> 00:21:24,152 This wasn't about, like, female empowerment. 420 00:21:24,195 --> 00:21:26,372 This was something that was much deeper, 421 00:21:26,415 --> 00:21:29,375 that was much more sinister. 422 00:21:29,418 --> 00:21:32,029 At the Mansion, back in like the '70s 423 00:21:32,073 --> 00:21:36,077 and the early '80s, it was the women and the men. 424 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:40,255 The girls weren't allowed to hang out with the men. 425 00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:43,302 But I was allowed to sit with them. 426 00:21:43,345 --> 00:21:45,652 And I'd always see the men looking at different 427 00:21:45,695 --> 00:21:50,570 negatives of girls from different shoots. 428 00:21:50,613 --> 00:21:55,618 They would sort of quiz me on how to critique a girl 429 00:21:55,662 --> 00:21:58,360 that they would consider up to their standards. 430 00:21:58,404 --> 00:22:02,146 And so I would rattle off, you know, what I knew 431 00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:05,367 that they were looking for, whether it was a size D, 432 00:22:05,411 --> 00:22:08,022 which doctor would do the boob job, 433 00:22:08,065 --> 00:22:10,503 who would do the nose job, 434 00:22:10,546 --> 00:22:13,332 what their entire physique should look like, 435 00:22:13,375 --> 00:22:15,377 and what size everything should be. 436 00:22:15,421 --> 00:22:18,467 For sure, it was always size zero. 437 00:22:18,511 --> 00:22:22,689 I was trained how to view women 438 00:22:22,732 --> 00:22:25,344 in the way that they did-- 439 00:22:25,387 --> 00:22:28,172 as commodities. 440 00:22:28,216 --> 00:22:30,218 I mean, my father used to tell me that I should, 441 00:22:30,261 --> 00:22:32,699 you know, I had to watch it 'cause--you know, 442 00:22:32,742 --> 00:22:35,005 'cause I could like gain weight in my hips or-- 443 00:22:35,049 --> 00:22:37,268 he would definitely, like, at a young age, 444 00:22:37,312 --> 00:22:41,795 you know, go over our bodies with us, with my sister and I. 445 00:22:41,838 --> 00:22:43,927 That was of course nerve-racking 446 00:22:43,971 --> 00:22:46,365 'cause I don't think either one of us felt like 447 00:22:46,408 --> 00:22:50,891 we measured up to what was considered to be acceptable. 448 00:22:52,501 --> 00:22:55,374 They even pushed me-- I got my own surgery. 449 00:22:57,506 --> 00:22:59,508 15. 450 00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:01,684 It was just awful. 451 00:23:01,728 --> 00:23:06,385 ♪ 452 00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:07,951 As I got older, 453 00:23:07,995 --> 00:23:10,345 I would creep out of my bedroom more and more. 454 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:12,478 I was just very curious 455 00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:15,524 what was happening in all the bedrooms down the hall. 456 00:23:15,568 --> 00:23:18,658 And I would see some of these girls 457 00:23:18,701 --> 00:23:23,967 doing things that I didn't recognize. 458 00:23:24,011 --> 00:23:27,406 I would see them naked with men all around them 459 00:23:27,449 --> 00:23:29,582 and I would see them on the floor on all fours 460 00:23:29,625 --> 00:23:31,888 and they were on drugs. 461 00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:35,283 And it--it just really--it scared me. 462 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:39,287 The men were laughing. 463 00:23:39,330 --> 00:23:44,118 And I just remembered thinking I never want to be 464 00:23:44,161 --> 00:23:48,339 like these girls running around like they're animals. 465 00:23:48,383 --> 00:23:50,603 I just--I never want to be that. 466 00:23:50,646 --> 00:23:54,302 This wasn't about empowerment of women. 467 00:23:54,345 --> 00:23:57,392 It was the breaking down of a woman. 468 00:24:07,489 --> 00:24:09,970 Cody. 469 00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:15,236 As a teenager, I started to notice 470 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:16,585 that all the Playmates 471 00:24:16,629 --> 00:24:17,891 and Hefner's different girlfriends 472 00:24:17,934 --> 00:24:20,328 were very open with their sexuality. 473 00:24:20,371 --> 00:24:24,463 And there was something about it that drew me in. 474 00:24:24,506 --> 00:24:27,988 It was a very open environment 475 00:24:28,031 --> 00:24:32,645 of where love and sex had very blurred lines. 476 00:24:32,688 --> 00:24:35,604 So if you love someone, 477 00:24:35,648 --> 00:24:38,520 it was you were supposed to be more intimate with them, 478 00:24:38,564 --> 00:24:41,175 I think, sexually. 479 00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:43,917 You know, Hef always would kiss--which many people know, 480 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,832 he would kiss with sort of his mouth open 481 00:24:45,875 --> 00:24:49,270 in sort of like a French kiss kind of a way. 482 00:24:49,313 --> 00:24:51,185 And I always thought it was sort of strange 483 00:24:51,228 --> 00:24:52,795 that, you know, someone that was sort of 484 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:55,363 was like my uncle would kiss like that. 485 00:24:55,406 --> 00:24:57,147 But then my father told me 486 00:24:57,191 --> 00:24:59,889 that that's what people do when they love each other. 487 00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:03,023 I think you're gonna have very moral relationships 488 00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:05,765 with more than one person at the same time 489 00:25:05,808 --> 00:25:07,680 or with a sequence of-- 490 00:25:07,723 --> 00:25:11,988 or continuing series of relationships. 491 00:25:12,032 --> 00:25:14,034 Why was there so many girls? 492 00:25:14,077 --> 00:25:16,689 Hef was the playboy of the Western world. 493 00:25:16,732 --> 00:25:17,994 Why should he stop at one 494 00:25:18,038 --> 00:25:22,216 when he could have as many as he did? 495 00:25:22,259 --> 00:25:24,914 He would say, "I want to attract the young ladies 496 00:25:24,958 --> 00:25:28,352 "who want to run with me in my life. 497 00:25:28,396 --> 00:25:30,964 I'm not gonna run with them in their life." 498 00:25:31,007 --> 00:25:33,314 ♪ 499 00:25:33,357 --> 00:25:36,404 Back in the late '70s, there was always 500 00:25:36,447 --> 00:25:40,016 at least three to four main girlfriends. 501 00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:42,802 There was always one that was the special one. 502 00:25:42,845 --> 00:25:45,631 This is what they called them. 503 00:25:45,674 --> 00:25:48,503 And those other girls 504 00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:52,072 were always wanting to be that special one. 505 00:25:52,115 --> 00:25:53,813 Tell me about the real Hugh Hefner, 506 00:25:53,856 --> 00:25:55,684 the one the rest of us don't know. 507 00:25:55,728 --> 00:26:00,297 He's very sensitive. He's very caring and giving. 508 00:26:00,341 --> 00:26:03,170 When I was 15, I fell in love 509 00:26:03,213 --> 00:26:05,302 with one of Hugh Hefner's main girlfriends. 510 00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:07,087 I'm gonna call her Kendall. 511 00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:12,396 I fell very hard because I was so young. 512 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,399 You know, Jennifer was incredibly infatuated 513 00:26:15,443 --> 00:26:18,315 with, uh, with Mr. Hefner's girlfriend. 514 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,579 I mean, really infatuated with her. 515 00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:23,625 She was very sweet, very innocent. 516 00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:27,716 You know, she was innocent. She was 15 or 16 years old. 517 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,111 We, over time, became very close 518 00:26:31,154 --> 00:26:33,983 because she was someone who ran away very young. 519 00:26:34,027 --> 00:26:38,597 And because my father had pulled me away from my mother, 520 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,775 I longed for that affection that only a woman could give. 521 00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:47,040 And Kendall was very affectionate. 522 00:26:48,781 --> 00:26:51,610 I mean, one night, she ordered like daiquiris. 523 00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:55,135 And one thing led to another. 524 00:26:55,178 --> 00:26:59,313 And I think she thought that I had been with a girl before. 525 00:26:59,356 --> 00:27:03,709 It really took away the loneliness at that time. 526 00:27:03,752 --> 00:27:07,016 I served Mr. Hefner's girlfriend 527 00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:09,758 and Jennifer drinks in bed. 528 00:27:09,802 --> 00:27:12,108 I said, "Here are your drinks, ladies." 529 00:27:12,152 --> 00:27:13,544 I was very professional. And they said, 530 00:27:13,588 --> 00:27:17,548 "Mitch, you know, you can say hello, it's okay." 531 00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:21,640 And I said, "I'm gonna go back downstairs, ladies. Thank you." 532 00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:24,817 The people that knew knew that Jennifer was underage. 533 00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:26,732 I mean, I wanted to say something to her. 534 00:27:26,775 --> 00:27:29,473 But I--I held back. 535 00:27:29,517 --> 00:27:32,172 It was something that I didn't--I just didn't push. 536 00:27:32,215 --> 00:27:34,043 I didn't really think there was anything necessarily wrong 537 00:27:34,087 --> 00:27:36,480 with what I did. 538 00:27:36,524 --> 00:27:39,309 You know, from my father and Hefner's point of view, 539 00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:42,182 they really didn't care about my having the affair 540 00:27:42,225 --> 00:27:44,532 with his girlfriend. 541 00:27:44,575 --> 00:27:46,229 He knew about the affair from the beginning. 542 00:27:46,273 --> 00:27:48,057 I mean, there's cameras everywhere. 543 00:27:48,101 --> 00:27:49,668 A lot of the cameras, you didn't even know 544 00:27:49,711 --> 00:27:51,365 they were there, but they were there. 545 00:27:51,408 --> 00:27:54,237 And also security was carrying cameras on their jackets. 546 00:27:54,281 --> 00:27:57,414 So there's eyes everywhere. 547 00:27:57,458 --> 00:28:01,723 When I was 17, I was called to Hef's room. 548 00:28:01,767 --> 00:28:04,987 I thought he was gonna confront me about the affair. 549 00:28:05,031 --> 00:28:07,990 I was just--I wanted to see Kendall so badly. 550 00:28:08,034 --> 00:28:10,340 And she said the only way we could see each other 551 00:28:10,384 --> 00:28:12,647 is if you come to Hef's room, Hef said. 552 00:28:15,215 --> 00:28:17,957 One of her friends, who's also a Playmate, 553 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,612 walked me to his door. 554 00:28:21,656 --> 00:28:23,571 And then she stopped me and she's like, you know, 555 00:28:23,614 --> 00:28:26,443 "I just want to tell you that you don't have to do anything 556 00:28:26,487 --> 00:28:28,794 that you don't want to do." 557 00:28:28,837 --> 00:28:30,491 I was like, "What do you mean?" 558 00:28:30,534 --> 00:28:34,669 And then I went in and then Hef ordered drinks. 559 00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:37,454 And then we were just sitting there. 560 00:28:37,498 --> 00:28:41,807 And the energy shifted in the room, 561 00:28:41,850 --> 00:28:45,898 and I started feeling uncomfortable. 562 00:28:45,941 --> 00:28:49,728 I was still immature emotionally, 563 00:28:49,771 --> 00:28:53,470 even though I'd been exposed to so many things. 564 00:28:53,514 --> 00:28:56,299 So when I went in the room, 565 00:28:56,343 --> 00:28:58,824 and he and Kendall were on the bed. 566 00:28:58,867 --> 00:29:01,130 And I just thought it was fun, at first. 567 00:29:01,174 --> 00:29:06,005 I didn't really realize what was about to happen. 568 00:29:06,048 --> 00:29:10,183 I felt like, in that moment, Hefner crossed a boundary 569 00:29:10,226 --> 00:29:12,011 because he'd always looked at me 570 00:29:12,054 --> 00:29:14,840 and treated me like I was his daughter. 571 00:29:14,883 --> 00:29:19,714 And here I was in his room 572 00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:22,978 feeling this uncomfortable energy 573 00:29:23,022 --> 00:29:26,634 that I was no longer being looked at as a daughter. 574 00:29:28,592 --> 00:29:32,466 And then Kendall started crying. 575 00:29:32,509 --> 00:29:35,338 And then she ran into the bathroom. 576 00:29:35,382 --> 00:29:39,516 And then he said, "Well, now we're not gonna do anything 577 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,824 'cause she's crying or whatever." 578 00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:46,741 And I was like, "Yeah." And my dad's down the hall. 579 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,439 And he's like, you know, "We're all family here." 580 00:29:49,483 --> 00:29:52,312 And then I left and went back to my room. 581 00:29:52,355 --> 00:29:55,663 I don't think that she knew 582 00:29:55,706 --> 00:29:57,273 what was really going on up there 583 00:29:57,317 --> 00:29:59,885 until she actually experienced being up there. 584 00:29:59,928 --> 00:30:01,625 And she got a--she got, 585 00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:03,845 you know, a crash course in doing that. 586 00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:07,370 We're at the Playboy Mansion, this is--this is--this is real, 587 00:30:07,414 --> 00:30:09,503 this is some real 588 00:30:17,467 --> 00:30:19,469 ♪ 589 00:30:19,513 --> 00:30:21,907 All right, good boy. 590 00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:24,953 ♪ 591 00:30:24,997 --> 00:30:28,043 Growing up, it's like I never wanted to go 592 00:30:28,087 --> 00:30:33,483 against what my father or Hef or the environment taught me 593 00:30:33,527 --> 00:30:39,185 was actually something that was normal, I guess. 594 00:30:39,228 --> 00:30:41,665 When I got to college 595 00:30:41,709 --> 00:30:45,321 and I started to integrate into society, 596 00:30:45,365 --> 00:30:47,802 I didn't understand how these rules 597 00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:49,935 that I had learned from a very young age 598 00:30:49,978 --> 00:30:52,415 had nothing to do with the outside world. 599 00:30:52,459 --> 00:30:55,418 You know, I didn't really talk about it a lot with people. 600 00:30:55,462 --> 00:31:00,684 So writing it down was a way for me to express myself. 601 00:31:00,728 --> 00:31:02,077 Joining me now is Jennifer Saginor. 602 00:31:02,121 --> 00:31:04,123 She grew up inside the Playboy Mansion 603 00:31:04,166 --> 00:31:06,603 and is the author of the book "Playground." 604 00:31:06,647 --> 00:31:09,215 "Playground" was something that I wrote about 605 00:31:09,258 --> 00:31:12,522 to sort of work out out my own issues 606 00:31:12,566 --> 00:31:16,918 of what I had seen and experienced. 607 00:31:16,962 --> 00:31:21,401 I was always taught that it was okay to speak your mind. 608 00:31:23,403 --> 00:31:28,712 Yet I also knew that a certain level of loyalty 609 00:31:28,756 --> 00:31:32,934 went along with belonging into this inner circle. 610 00:31:32,978 --> 00:31:35,806 There was some level of fear 611 00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:37,286 that there would be repercussions 612 00:31:37,330 --> 00:31:39,767 for breaking that loyalty. 613 00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:43,684 And so I went out of my way to betray Hef 614 00:31:43,727 --> 00:31:46,948 in a very, very positive light, 615 00:31:46,992 --> 00:31:49,211 as someone who was a father figure, 616 00:31:49,255 --> 00:31:52,998 who I did look up to for many, many years. 617 00:31:53,041 --> 00:31:55,609 When my book came out, 618 00:31:55,652 --> 00:31:58,786 I did a couple of interviews in Los Angeles. 619 00:31:58,829 --> 00:32:01,049 And Hef called me and he said, 620 00:32:01,093 --> 00:32:04,096 "Congratulations, I heard that you wrote a book, 621 00:32:04,139 --> 00:32:05,924 And I'm so proud of you." 622 00:32:05,967 --> 00:32:07,534 He said, "But listen, if you could just do me a favor 623 00:32:07,577 --> 00:32:09,928 and not tell anybody 624 00:32:09,971 --> 00:32:13,235 that I knew about your affair with Kendall." 625 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:14,845 He's like, "I would just really appreciate 626 00:32:14,889 --> 00:32:16,499 if we just kept that between us." 627 00:32:16,543 --> 00:32:18,240 He didn't want people knowing 628 00:32:18,284 --> 00:32:21,896 that a minor had an affair on his property. 629 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:26,031 And I was like, "Sure. You know, no problem." 630 00:32:26,074 --> 00:32:28,033 He said, "Could you fax over a list 631 00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:32,951 of your next interviews?" And I said, "Sure. Of course." 632 00:32:32,994 --> 00:32:37,085 I went to New York, and then literally, in succession, 633 00:32:37,129 --> 00:32:39,566 the interviews were canceled, like, one by one. 634 00:32:39,609 --> 00:32:42,308 It was like something out of a mafia movie. 635 00:32:46,051 --> 00:32:47,617 Well, I know what happened. 636 00:32:47,661 --> 00:32:52,013 I know that he--that he had someone in his office call 637 00:32:52,057 --> 00:32:56,322 and contact those people and stop those interviews. 638 00:32:56,365 --> 00:33:00,369 ♪ 639 00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:02,328 I was really crushed 640 00:33:02,371 --> 00:33:08,029 'cause I no longer could, you know, speak my truth. 641 00:33:08,073 --> 00:33:10,684 It was just so hypocritical 642 00:33:10,727 --> 00:33:12,991 because freedom of speech and the First Amendment 643 00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:14,993 had been something that he was an advocate for 644 00:33:15,036 --> 00:33:17,821 his entire adult life. 645 00:33:17,865 --> 00:33:20,607 And that made me, you know, 646 00:33:20,650 --> 00:33:22,609 question who I thought my father was 647 00:33:22,652 --> 00:33:24,524 and who I thought Hef was. 648 00:33:24,567 --> 00:33:28,702 And I really thought these men were larger than life. 649 00:33:28,745 --> 00:33:31,052 They knew everybody, they were so well connected, 650 00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:35,839 and just, you know, really just enlightened beings. 651 00:33:35,883 --> 00:33:39,887 And I realized that this was something much bigger 652 00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:45,719 that he didn't want people to know what was really going on. 653 00:33:47,982 --> 00:33:50,463 When I was an editorial assistant 654 00:33:50,506 --> 00:33:52,508 working for the articles editor, 655 00:33:52,552 --> 00:33:55,598 different books would get vetted by him. 656 00:33:55,642 --> 00:33:57,905 He was looking for things in those books 657 00:33:57,948 --> 00:34:02,823 that would hurt Hefner's reputation. 658 00:34:02,866 --> 00:34:05,130 I read everything that came through. 659 00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:07,436 There's some things that I read about 660 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,657 that never saw the light of day. 661 00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:12,615 Over time, I realized 662 00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:15,836 I was just one of the many people who were silenced. 663 00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:17,446 ♪ 664 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:22,669 I worked in six clubs. Every club had a scandal. 665 00:34:22,712 --> 00:34:25,280 At least one if not many more. 666 00:34:25,324 --> 00:34:30,372 I had to keep my mouth closed if I wanted to keep my job. 667 00:34:30,416 --> 00:34:32,635 There's a lot of collateral damage 668 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,248 within the Playboy organization--a lot. 669 00:34:36,291 --> 00:34:38,250 And the majority of the collateral damage 670 00:34:38,293 --> 00:34:41,601 is towards women. 671 00:34:43,603 --> 00:34:46,954 Things were done to shush people up, 672 00:34:46,997 --> 00:34:50,000 to get them out of the way. 673 00:34:50,044 --> 00:34:53,874 He wasn't worried about the local L.A. cops. 674 00:34:53,917 --> 00:34:57,791 Many of these police worked for him as security guards. 675 00:34:57,834 --> 00:34:59,575 Most of the security officers that were hired 676 00:34:59,619 --> 00:35:01,838 were ex-cops. 677 00:35:01,882 --> 00:35:03,231 Some of them were L.A. cops. 678 00:35:03,275 --> 00:35:04,667 Some of them were Beverly Hills cops. 679 00:35:04,711 --> 00:35:06,191 Some of them were detectives. 680 00:35:06,234 --> 00:35:08,497 So it was very--it was very serious. 681 00:35:08,541 --> 00:35:11,196 You gotta protect the Mansion, you gotta protect, you know, 682 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,980 especially, number one, Mr. Hefner. 683 00:35:15,025 --> 00:35:18,028 A lot of things were just taken care of in his world. 684 00:35:18,072 --> 00:35:20,770 The thing is he had tapes on everybody. 685 00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:24,339 I have extensive electronic equipment in the house, 686 00:35:24,383 --> 00:35:26,341 which includes videotape equipment. 687 00:35:26,385 --> 00:35:29,039 And that does include cameras so that 688 00:35:29,083 --> 00:35:31,346 if I want to shoot pictures of anything, I can, yes. 689 00:35:31,390 --> 00:35:33,827 - Do you? - Do I shoot pictures? 690 00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:36,960 I mean, what is it doing in your bedroom? 691 00:35:37,004 --> 00:35:38,571 Sometimes things happen in the bedroom 692 00:35:38,614 --> 00:35:40,921 that I'd like to take-- - You're being coy. 693 00:35:40,964 --> 00:35:45,186 Prim, I might add. - We're on television. 694 00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:49,234 Every room, even outside on the properties, 695 00:35:49,277 --> 00:35:54,630 every place had microphones and little cameras. 696 00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:58,286 Many of the girls wanted to tell you their problems, 697 00:35:58,330 --> 00:36:01,855 and that made us all very nervous. 698 00:36:01,898 --> 00:36:03,248 We had to be very careful 699 00:36:03,291 --> 00:36:06,468 because we know we were being monitored. 700 00:36:07,948 --> 00:36:12,474 He lets the media into all these parties on purpose 701 00:36:12,518 --> 00:36:14,694 because usually they end up doing something 702 00:36:14,737 --> 00:36:16,783 they'll regret, 703 00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:20,221 and he's got that on them, so down the road, 704 00:36:20,265 --> 00:36:23,790 if anything was gonna come out negative about him, 705 00:36:23,833 --> 00:36:26,880 he'd just say, "I don't think so. 706 00:36:26,923 --> 00:36:28,838 Remember this?" 707 00:36:28,882 --> 00:36:31,058 And then all of a sudden it goes away. 708 00:36:31,101 --> 00:36:34,235 It was cult-like. 709 00:36:34,279 --> 00:36:37,369 The women had been groomed 710 00:36:37,412 --> 00:36:40,676 and led to believe they were part of this family. 711 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,940 And he really did believe he owned these women. 712 00:36:43,984 --> 00:36:48,684 We had Playmates that overdosed. 713 00:36:48,728 --> 00:36:52,079 There were Playmates that committed suicide. 714 00:36:53,385 --> 00:36:56,562 I really thought that if I wrote a book, 715 00:36:56,605 --> 00:36:59,391 maybe all of this stuff would go away, 716 00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:01,871 maybe it would stop. 717 00:37:03,133 --> 00:37:08,574 Hefner even sent someone to buy me off. 718 00:37:08,617 --> 00:37:13,796 When you get someone that powerful to be that fearful, 719 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,712 anything could happen. Anything. 720 00:37:16,756 --> 00:37:21,239 I had a bodyguard. 721 00:37:21,282 --> 00:37:24,372 I was that afraid. 722 00:37:25,591 --> 00:37:27,506 I got threatened. 723 00:37:27,549 --> 00:37:29,682 "You're not gonna put this book out. 724 00:37:29,725 --> 00:37:32,685 "We can find you anywhere you go. 725 00:37:32,728 --> 00:37:35,949 You can't hide from us." It was very frightening. 726 00:37:47,090 --> 00:37:50,659 My life itself is just an invention. 727 00:37:50,703 --> 00:37:53,575 It's just a very clever marketing ploy 728 00:37:53,619 --> 00:37:56,404 that happens to work out very well for me and the company. 729 00:37:56,448 --> 00:37:57,927 For the author. 730 00:38:00,669 --> 00:38:04,586 Everybody knew that Hefner was a very powerful person. 731 00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:08,808 No one believed anything that a young girl would say 732 00:38:08,851 --> 00:38:11,550 because you were a nobody. 733 00:38:11,593 --> 00:38:13,639 And they were the big somebodies with money, 734 00:38:13,682 --> 00:38:17,991 with lawyers, and you were shut down. 735 00:38:18,034 --> 00:38:19,645 We would tell these stories 40 years ago 736 00:38:19,688 --> 00:38:21,429 and people didn't believe it. 737 00:38:21,473 --> 00:38:26,608 Bill Cosby was there. Oh, he's America's Dad. 738 00:38:26,652 --> 00:38:31,700 I mean, there's just--no one would believe those women. 739 00:38:31,744 --> 00:38:35,008 For years. 740 00:38:35,051 --> 00:38:39,099 It was a beautiful world, and to him, beautiful girls, 741 00:38:39,142 --> 00:38:43,321 beautiful people, beautiful food, beautiful everything. 742 00:38:43,364 --> 00:38:47,412 But it--it looked that way, but it was ugly. 743 00:38:47,455 --> 00:38:50,023 It was really ugly. 744 00:38:50,066 --> 00:38:53,461 This was built to look like paradise. 745 00:38:53,505 --> 00:38:56,595 But in reality, paradise is not all it's made out to be. 746 00:38:56,638 --> 00:39:00,250 The LAPD's investigating a possible sexual assault 747 00:39:00,294 --> 00:39:02,209 this weekend at the Playboy Mansion, 748 00:39:02,252 --> 00:39:04,516 home of hedonism and Hugh Hefner. 749 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,346 I have no doubt that terrible things happened at the Mansion. 750 00:39:08,389 --> 00:39:09,651 Of course, it did. 751 00:39:09,695 --> 00:39:12,480 It would be naive to say it didn't. 752 00:39:12,524 --> 00:39:15,875 But I think Hefner would have resented 753 00:39:15,918 --> 00:39:17,616 being associated with it. 754 00:39:17,659 --> 00:39:21,141 I think he would say he was the cause of the good things 755 00:39:21,184 --> 00:39:23,099 and then people took it too far. 756 00:39:23,143 --> 00:39:24,623 There was various scandals 757 00:39:24,666 --> 00:39:27,800 associated with "Playboy" over the years. 758 00:39:27,843 --> 00:39:30,063 There was Bobbie Arnstein's suicide. 759 00:39:31,673 --> 00:39:35,590 ♪ 760 00:39:35,634 --> 00:39:38,680 There was Dorothy Stratten's murder. 761 00:39:38,724 --> 00:39:43,903 Her death was just so sad and devastating and shocking. 762 00:39:43,946 --> 00:39:49,038 There were other girls and models and Playmates who died, 763 00:39:49,082 --> 00:39:52,128 but they just were things that you never talked about. 764 00:39:52,172 --> 00:39:54,522 All of these scandals and whispers 765 00:39:54,566 --> 00:39:58,570 about what happened at the Mansion and at Playboy, 766 00:39:58,613 --> 00:40:01,268 Hef remained untouched by any of it. 767 00:40:01,311 --> 00:40:03,705 He was like Teflon. Nothing touched him. 768 00:40:06,665 --> 00:40:08,449 Over time, I started to realize 769 00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:11,931 "Playboy" was run as this big marketing machine 770 00:40:11,974 --> 00:40:14,194 where he was in the center of it, 771 00:40:14,237 --> 00:40:16,501 and if it started to affect poorly on him, 772 00:40:16,544 --> 00:40:19,895 it starts to affect poorly on "Playboy." 773 00:40:20,809 --> 00:40:24,944 This was a very sophisticated structure 774 00:40:24,987 --> 00:40:27,120 within Playboy Enterprises 775 00:40:27,163 --> 00:40:31,907 that his own machinery kept into place. 776 00:40:31,951 --> 00:40:37,043 Everyone had a job to keep Hefner protected. 777 00:40:37,086 --> 00:40:39,437 They wanted to control the narrative. 778 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,092 They wanted to control how people viewed "Playboy" 779 00:40:43,136 --> 00:40:46,226 and how they viewed Hef. 780 00:40:46,269 --> 00:40:48,228 But the people who were really there, 781 00:40:48,271 --> 00:40:50,491 they're the ones who know the real truth. 782 00:40:54,321 --> 00:40:58,499 His legacy should comprise the whole story, 783 00:40:58,543 --> 00:41:03,156 not just part of it that he projected, 784 00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,593 not his publicity machine 785 00:41:05,637 --> 00:41:09,554 but from the women who experienced him. 786 00:41:09,597 --> 00:41:13,427 It's time that the illusion is broken. 787 00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:17,170 There was a very dark, dark side of "Playboy" 788 00:41:17,213 --> 00:41:19,259 that nobody wants to talk about 789 00:41:19,302 --> 00:41:22,523 because they want to live in that bubble. 790 00:41:22,567 --> 00:41:24,699 You know, when he passed away three years ago, 791 00:41:24,743 --> 00:41:27,441 I said to Stefan, you know, "Maybe you should revive 792 00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:30,270 the book now that the MeToo movement is here." 793 00:41:30,313 --> 00:41:31,663 When it happened, I thought, you know, 794 00:41:31,706 --> 00:41:33,926 Hefner missed by a month 795 00:41:33,969 --> 00:41:36,406 of being in the same seat as Weinstein 796 00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:39,497 and all those other powerful men in Hollywood. 797 00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:43,370 I'm ready now. I'm empowered. 798 00:41:43,413 --> 00:41:45,720 I'm empowered to tell my story. 799 00:41:45,764 --> 00:41:47,766 I'm not afraid to speak up any longer. 800 00:41:47,809 --> 00:41:50,072 ♪ 801 00:41:50,116 --> 00:41:51,552 What I want to say to Hefner is 802 00:41:51,596 --> 00:41:54,990 you destroyed a lot of lives. 803 00:41:55,034 --> 00:41:56,731 You were power hungry. 804 00:41:56,775 --> 00:41:59,255 You didn't care about the lives of these women. 805 00:41:59,299 --> 00:42:01,780 You didn't care what happened to these girls. 806 00:42:01,823 --> 00:42:03,869 It was all about what people 807 00:42:03,912 --> 00:42:10,005 perceived about you, Hefner. 808 00:42:10,049 --> 00:42:12,051 And it was all a lie. 809 00:42:39,295 --> 00:42:41,646 Holly was Hef's number one girlfriend. 810 00:42:41,689 --> 00:42:44,431 In about 2013, I started to feel like 811 00:42:44,474 --> 00:42:46,607 I needed to get my story out. 812 00:42:46,651 --> 00:42:49,871 I was one of Hugh Hefner's multiple girlfriends, 813 00:42:49,915 --> 00:42:52,178 and I starred in a show called "The Girls Next Door." 814 00:42:52,221 --> 00:42:54,267 We were three women dating the same man. 815 00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:56,095 Are there rules like, "Can you have boyfriends at all?" 816 00:42:56,138 --> 00:42:57,879 - No. - No. 817 00:42:57,923 --> 00:42:59,402 - You're not allowed to? - Hef is our boyfriend. 818 00:42:59,446 --> 00:43:02,014 There was definitely no, like, romance or seduction. 819 00:43:02,057 --> 00:43:06,714 It was all very mechanical and robotic. 820 00:43:06,758 --> 00:43:10,631 I'd be lying if I said I wasn't traumatized by it. 821 00:43:10,675 --> 00:43:12,372 You had a 9:00 curfew. 822 00:43:12,415 --> 00:43:14,417 You weren't really allowed to leave. 823 00:43:14,461 --> 00:43:16,985 Looking back on my time at Playboy, 824 00:43:17,029 --> 00:43:19,118 it reminds me of a cult.