1 00:00:03,379 --> 00:00:05,089 - The industry is white. The industry is male. 2 00:00:05,089 --> 00:00:08,051 Period, end of story. 3 00:00:08,051 --> 00:00:10,803 The first time I was on a set as a DGA trainee, 4 00:00:10,803 --> 00:00:12,430 and I walked on, I was like, 5 00:00:12,430 --> 00:00:15,391 "Oh, my, I am the only person of color," 6 00:00:15,391 --> 00:00:17,393 like, and I will not mention the film that it was, 7 00:00:17,393 --> 00:00:20,063 but, like, I was the only person of color. 8 00:00:20,063 --> 00:00:23,566 And then, in terms of, like, being on the set, 9 00:00:23,566 --> 00:00:26,694 I was the only female. 10 00:00:26,694 --> 00:00:29,197 Hair and makeup was female. Wardrobe, female. 11 00:00:29,197 --> 00:00:32,075 And if I remember correctly, um, I think... 12 00:00:32,075 --> 00:00:35,244 the assistant prop person was a female. That was it. 13 00:00:42,919 --> 00:00:45,546 Below the line is everybody 14 00:00:45,546 --> 00:00:48,966 starting from the cinematographer, below that. 15 00:00:48,966 --> 00:00:53,179 Camera, electric, grip, makeup, hair, wardrobe, props. 16 00:00:53,179 --> 00:00:54,680 We're all below the line. 17 00:00:56,974 --> 00:01:00,228 If we're looking at when the industry really started, 18 00:01:00,228 --> 00:01:02,563 a lot of the jobs... 19 00:01:02,563 --> 00:01:05,358 whether we're talking teamsters or props or anyone, 20 00:01:05,358 --> 00:01:07,485 a lot of them became family businesses. 21 00:01:07,485 --> 00:01:10,613 And you brought your sons into them, and then they brought their friends into. 22 00:01:10,613 --> 00:01:13,199 So, you can start to see how that rolls. 23 00:01:13,199 --> 00:01:15,493 So much of industry is 24 00:01:15,493 --> 00:01:17,203 business as usual. 25 00:01:17,203 --> 00:01:20,206 People would rather hire people 26 00:01:20,206 --> 00:01:23,626 who are exactly like them to not deal with... 27 00:01:23,626 --> 00:01:25,753 the messiness of people's identities. 28 00:01:25,753 --> 00:01:27,588 Or the, you know, the messiness of their own bias. 29 00:01:30,216 --> 00:01:32,802 I started off as an assistant director. 30 00:01:32,802 --> 00:01:35,138 And it wasn't even a glass ceiling, it was a cement ceiling 31 00:01:35,138 --> 00:01:37,265 to become a first AD. 32 00:01:37,265 --> 00:01:41,727 There weren't a ton of female first ADs 33 00:01:41,727 --> 00:01:44,355 that were putting together their teams, and if there were, 34 00:01:44,355 --> 00:01:48,151 they were, again at that point, were relegated to... 35 00:01:48,151 --> 00:01:52,697 soft movies, so to your romantic dramas, 36 00:01:52,697 --> 00:01:56,826 your romantic comedies. 37 00:01:56,826 --> 00:02:00,079 I remember hearing from some VPs of production 38 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:02,081 at different studios that, like, 39 00:02:02,081 --> 00:02:04,500 "Well, you know, we're not really sure if a woman can handle... 40 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:07,128 it's 300 people they've gotta corral," and I'm like, 41 00:02:07,128 --> 00:02:10,173 have you seen a mom with kids? They can handle it. 42 00:02:13,467 --> 00:02:16,846 A cinematographer works very closely with the director 43 00:02:16,846 --> 00:02:19,223 in designing the look of the film. 44 00:02:19,223 --> 00:02:21,475 You're doing the lighting 45 00:02:21,475 --> 00:02:24,145 and operating the camera, 46 00:02:24,145 --> 00:02:25,980 and, you know, you're in charge of the grip, electric, 47 00:02:25,980 --> 00:02:28,149 and camera department. 48 00:02:28,149 --> 00:02:30,526 And the interesting thing is, having done commercials 49 00:02:30,526 --> 00:02:32,987 all over the world, 50 00:02:32,987 --> 00:02:34,697 It's happened more here, the pushback. 51 00:02:37,617 --> 00:02:40,328 I didn't have an agent when I started shooting, 52 00:02:40,328 --> 00:02:42,997 But I had a service that sent out 53 00:02:42,997 --> 00:02:45,750 our reels, three-quarter-inch reels. 54 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:49,462 And the gentleman who was in charge of all that... 55 00:02:49,462 --> 00:02:51,839 said, "Let's try something." 56 00:02:51,839 --> 00:02:56,219 He labeled some of the cassettes "NJ Schreiber" 57 00:02:56,219 --> 00:02:58,346 and the other ones "Nancy Schreiber." 58 00:02:58,346 --> 00:03:02,433 And sure enough... 59 00:03:02,433 --> 00:03:05,228 the ones with my full name had not been watched. 60 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:11,442 The two times that I've worked on a TV show 61 00:03:11,442 --> 00:03:15,071 and a film project where we had female DOPs, 62 00:03:15,071 --> 00:03:17,531 it has been a whole new different experience. 63 00:03:17,531 --> 00:03:20,034 Uh, the comfort that I feel... 64 00:03:20,034 --> 00:03:21,744 and I'm not saying I don't feel comfortable 65 00:03:21,744 --> 00:03:23,371 with male cinematographers, but there's a different 66 00:03:23,371 --> 00:03:25,206 level of comfort that just gets switched on. 67 00:03:27,083 --> 00:03:29,252 I can just romance the camera 68 00:03:29,252 --> 00:03:32,380 in not a sexual way, but in a way that I completely embody 69 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:36,092 my sensuality and my power and the flaws of my character 70 00:03:36,092 --> 00:03:39,095 and the strengths of my character in a wholesome way. 71 00:03:39,095 --> 00:03:42,515 It's just so badass when you just watch them... 72 00:03:42,515 --> 00:03:44,725 pull all the stops, know the light, know everything. 73 00:03:44,725 --> 00:03:47,186 I'm like, yes, we need more of this. 74 00:03:47,186 --> 00:03:50,106 I have two words to leave with you tonight, ladies and gentlemen. 75 00:03:50,106 --> 00:03:52,608 Inclusion rider. 76 00:03:54,443 --> 00:03:57,113 When Frances McDormand accepted 77 00:03:57,113 --> 00:04:00,700 her Oscar for "Three Billboards," in her speech, she ended it with, 78 00:04:00,700 --> 00:04:02,910 "Two words, inclusion rider." 79 00:04:04,704 --> 00:04:07,790 Inclusion riders are something that 80 00:04:07,790 --> 00:04:09,917 has been proposed for years. 81 00:04:09,917 --> 00:04:13,254 It started with a USC Annenberg researcher 82 00:04:13,254 --> 00:04:16,090 who proposed a document 83 00:04:16,090 --> 00:04:18,884 that would be attached to the contracts 84 00:04:18,884 --> 00:04:22,555 for all the films and TV shows that would set requirements 85 00:04:22,555 --> 00:04:26,392 for diversity. 86 00:04:26,392 --> 00:04:28,936 GINA PRINCE-We've tried asking, we've tried shaming. 87 00:04:28,936 --> 00:04:31,397 Now... fine, 88 00:04:31,397 --> 00:04:33,316 we will force you via contract 89 00:04:33,316 --> 00:04:37,111 to... you know, to make a set be inclusive. 90 00:04:37,111 --> 00:04:39,697 It's just such an obvious thing. 91 00:04:39,697 --> 00:04:42,408 The thing is, I don't need it, and I think most female directors, 92 00:04:42,408 --> 00:04:46,871 you have your eye out for it already, because you've experienced it. 93 00:04:46,871 --> 00:04:49,665 - After shooting is complete, you then move into post-production. 94 00:04:51,542 --> 00:04:53,502 Post-production is 95 00:04:53,502 --> 00:04:55,629 everything that happens after the set. 96 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:59,258 The dailies, the editing, all the cuts. 97 00:04:59,258 --> 00:05:01,218 The sound dubbing. 98 00:05:01,218 --> 00:05:03,471 Color timing. 99 00:05:03,471 --> 00:05:06,390 The completion of the final product. 100 00:05:06,390 --> 00:05:08,768 For supervising sound editor-- 101 00:05:08,768 --> 00:05:12,730 I'm in charge of the overall sound of a film. 102 00:05:12,730 --> 00:05:16,025 And so I spend time with the dialogue editors, 103 00:05:16,025 --> 00:05:18,319 foley editors, 104 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:21,322 and sometimes music and effects. 105 00:05:23,324 --> 00:05:26,494 Women were really involved 106 00:05:26,494 --> 00:05:29,455 in the early days of editing because they're in a room somewhere, 107 00:05:29,455 --> 00:05:32,333 and we don't see them. 108 00:05:32,333 --> 00:05:35,544 And they're doing something with their hands. 109 00:05:35,544 --> 00:05:38,214 I don't think anyone really understood 110 00:05:38,214 --> 00:05:41,425 the value of editing for quite a long time. 111 00:05:41,425 --> 00:05:44,303 And once it was understood, 112 00:05:44,303 --> 00:05:48,140 which happened to coincide with men coming back from World War II, 113 00:05:48,140 --> 00:05:51,185 those positions were given to men, 114 00:05:51,185 --> 00:05:55,106 and women kind of lost their-- their foothold. 115 00:05:55,106 --> 00:05:59,026 - Sometimes the producers will-- they just talk over me. 116 00:05:59,026 --> 00:06:02,071 It's almost like I'm not even sitting there. 117 00:06:02,071 --> 00:06:04,990 And so I have to figure out how to interject, 118 00:06:04,990 --> 00:06:08,452 especially if I'm not getting what I know that the film needs. 119 00:06:10,663 --> 00:06:11,997 When I came into the business 120 00:06:11,997 --> 00:06:15,334 in the late '70s, early '80s, 121 00:06:15,334 --> 00:06:18,587 I was often the only woman on any editing crew. 122 00:06:18,587 --> 00:06:21,507 My kids came in rapid succession, 123 00:06:21,507 --> 00:06:24,844 uh, and I was pregnant with my second one, 124 00:06:24,844 --> 00:06:27,263 and I was in an elevator at the Brill Building in New York, 125 00:06:27,263 --> 00:06:29,640 which was where all the films were edited, 126 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,518 and an editor said, "You're having another baby?" 127 00:06:32,518 --> 00:06:34,895 And I said, "Yeah." 128 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:37,231 And he said, "You must not be serious about your career." 129 00:06:40,901 --> 00:06:42,945 The right to final cut is 130 00:06:42,945 --> 00:06:45,865 one of the areas 131 00:06:45,865 --> 00:06:49,118 where the power structures in Hollywood become really obvious. 132 00:06:49,118 --> 00:06:53,164 Historically, male directors have been much more likely 133 00:06:53,164 --> 00:06:55,958 to get the privilege of final cut. 134 00:06:55,958 --> 00:06:57,585 When you don't have final cut, 135 00:06:57,585 --> 00:06:59,378 you have opened up the door 136 00:06:59,378 --> 00:07:02,256 to any number of... 137 00:07:02,256 --> 00:07:04,758 forces and opinions and agendas 138 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:06,343 that end up shaping your film. 139 00:07:06,343 --> 00:07:09,555 But I just know that I stand behind 140 00:07:09,555 --> 00:07:12,099 the films in which I've had final cut 141 00:07:12,099 --> 00:07:16,061 with just a little bit more of a sense of... 142 00:07:16,061 --> 00:07:20,107 certainty that it is, one, the movie I wanted to make, 143 00:07:20,107 --> 00:07:23,194 and, two, a movie whose mistakes I can own. 144 00:07:26,447 --> 00:07:29,116 Once your film is completed, it's time to get it out into the world. 145 00:07:29,116 --> 00:07:32,620 But getting people to see it and like it, 146 00:07:32,620 --> 00:07:35,748 critics to respond to it, maybe even get awards consideration, 147 00:07:35,748 --> 00:07:39,001 this is a whole new round of power plays and drama.