1 00:00:09,469 --> 00:00:14,849 LAURA GORDON: As a woman who's working in a traditionally male job, 2 00:00:14,849 --> 00:00:20,188 you're always trying to be enough. 3 00:00:20,188 --> 00:00:21,606 You're trying to be good enough. 4 00:00:21,606 --> 00:00:26,402 You're trying to fulfill that schema 5 00:00:26,402 --> 00:00:27,570 that you're not really sure who created. 6 00:00:29,655 --> 00:00:31,699 You have this archetype 7 00:00:31,699 --> 00:00:34,619 of the obnoxious Ari Gold figure, 8 00:00:34,619 --> 00:00:36,704 who's the agent who's really aggressive. 9 00:00:36,704 --> 00:00:38,706 So, as you're becoming an agent, 10 00:00:38,706 --> 00:00:41,793 you need to navigate, who am I gonna be? 11 00:00:41,793 --> 00:00:45,379 And I didn't necessarily have that... 12 00:00:47,381 --> 00:00:49,175 that icon on TV to look to. 13 00:00:58,351 --> 00:01:02,063 MATTHEW BELLONI: The gatekeepers manifest in many different ways. 14 00:01:02,063 --> 00:01:04,690 At the bottom level, it's the representatives. 15 00:01:04,690 --> 00:01:06,234 In order to be successful, you have to have an agent. 16 00:01:08,069 --> 00:01:10,613 You can think of an agency like the top of the funnel. 17 00:01:10,613 --> 00:01:13,825 There's the entire universe of creative people, 18 00:01:13,825 --> 00:01:17,578 and they all want to get an agent, they want to get into that crowd. 19 00:01:17,578 --> 00:01:21,207 The agencies take those people and funnel them through 20 00:01:21,207 --> 00:01:24,502 to where only a few are then presented 21 00:01:24,502 --> 00:01:27,380 to the decision-makers for who gets hired. 22 00:01:27,380 --> 00:01:31,175 And the agent can make a difference. 23 00:01:31,175 --> 00:01:32,885 MAHA DAKHIL JACKSON: If you're in an agency, 24 00:01:32,885 --> 00:01:34,345 you know everything that's happening at every production company 25 00:01:34,345 --> 00:01:36,055 and at every studio. 26 00:01:36,055 --> 00:01:37,974 Therefore, you have information. 27 00:01:37,974 --> 00:01:40,351 And information is power, knowledge is power. 28 00:01:40,351 --> 00:01:43,396 And when that information is harnessed correctly, 29 00:01:43,396 --> 00:01:46,482 that's when we can get creative and put projects together. 30 00:01:48,818 --> 00:01:51,821 LINDA LICHTER: So, the agent's job is primarily information-- 31 00:01:51,821 --> 00:01:54,740 who's got what, what's hot, what's not, 32 00:01:54,740 --> 00:01:57,660 who's hot, what the studios are looking for, 33 00:01:57,660 --> 00:02:00,121 and try to assemble the pieces and sell them to somebody. 34 00:02:00,121 --> 00:02:02,707 The lawyer's job is primarily the negotiation 35 00:02:02,707 --> 00:02:05,668 of those deals in combination with the agents, 36 00:02:05,668 --> 00:02:07,795 and then the documentation of those deals. 37 00:02:07,795 --> 00:02:12,008 LAURA: There are so many things that keeps this job so exciting. 38 00:02:12,008 --> 00:02:14,760 You're a little bit of a manager, you're a little bit of a lawyer. 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,804 You're a little bit of a therapist. 40 00:02:16,804 --> 00:02:19,223 You can be a little bit of a stylist at times. 41 00:02:19,223 --> 00:02:21,225 LORRIE BARTLETT: It's like being on a rollercoaster, right? 42 00:02:21,225 --> 00:02:23,394 Like, it's exhilarating. 43 00:02:23,394 --> 00:02:25,521 I think as women, we've always just had to work harder. 44 00:02:27,398 --> 00:02:30,318 Um, we don't get things handed to us. 45 00:02:30,318 --> 00:02:33,821 You are always showing people that you're good at your job. 46 00:02:33,821 --> 00:02:35,740 [photographers shouting] 47 00:02:35,740 --> 00:02:39,202 MINNIE DRIVER: I made a huge error very early on, 48 00:02:39,202 --> 00:02:41,495 in being swayed by the voices of men 49 00:02:41,495 --> 00:02:44,457 to leave a female agent 50 00:02:44,457 --> 00:02:46,792 and to go over to their side. 51 00:02:46,792 --> 00:02:49,378 And I thought that-- 52 00:02:49,378 --> 00:02:51,214 and this happens I think with so many women. 53 00:02:51,214 --> 00:02:53,549 We throw other women under the bus 54 00:02:53,549 --> 00:02:55,968 in order to feel that we will be protected 55 00:02:55,968 --> 00:02:58,137 by those men, and then, of course, 56 00:02:58,137 --> 00:02:59,764 was utterly discarded not long after that. 57 00:03:02,099 --> 00:03:04,018 ADELE LIM: I have had nothing but the loveliest experiences 58 00:03:04,018 --> 00:03:05,853 with my agent. 59 00:03:05,853 --> 00:03:08,231 The issue isn't with my specific agent. 60 00:03:08,231 --> 00:03:10,191 I think it's more of a systemic industry thing. 61 00:03:14,737 --> 00:03:16,948 LINDA: When I first started as a lawyer, 62 00:03:16,948 --> 00:03:18,866 I was the first woman they had ever hired. 63 00:03:18,866 --> 00:03:21,244 I was a creature from another planet. 64 00:03:21,244 --> 00:03:25,539 I was somebody they did not know how to relate to in many ways. 65 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:29,377 My supervising partner had assigned me this client 66 00:03:29,377 --> 00:03:31,921 to do work for, and the client called him up 67 00:03:31,921 --> 00:03:34,048 and said, you know, "I must not be a very important client, 68 00:03:34,048 --> 00:03:35,091 because you gave me the girl." 69 00:03:37,093 --> 00:03:39,428 And he had take-- he took the client away from me. 70 00:03:41,639 --> 00:03:44,642 In the very first staff meeting we had, 71 00:03:44,642 --> 00:03:46,769 the other senior partner went around the room 72 00:03:46,769 --> 00:03:49,063 and introduced the new lawyers that had just joined the firm. 73 00:03:49,063 --> 00:03:52,400 And, "Here's this guy, here's where he went to law school. 74 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,945 "And here's Linda Lichter, here's where she went to law school. 75 00:03:55,945 --> 00:03:59,073 Linda, why don't you stand up?" 76 00:03:59,073 --> 00:04:04,870 And I said, "Can't everybody see me? Here I am." 77 00:04:04,870 --> 00:04:08,666 And Monty said, "No, we wanna-- we wanna take a look at your legs." 78 00:04:08,666 --> 00:04:10,418 And there was like this intake of breath... 79 00:04:10,418 --> 00:04:12,503 [gasping] 80 00:04:12,503 --> 00:04:14,880 And in that silence, I said, "Monty, in order for you to do that, 81 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,257 I'd have to stand on my head." 82 00:04:18,175 --> 00:04:20,678 And the whole place-- I shut the whole place down. 83 00:04:20,678 --> 00:04:24,640 They were all hysterical. Monty turned bright red. 84 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,058 And I was in, right? I was cool. 85 00:04:30,229 --> 00:04:32,857 LAURA: It's hard to be left out 86 00:04:32,857 --> 00:04:34,900 when men are getting together, 87 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:36,902 because so much of business gets done 88 00:04:36,902 --> 00:04:38,904 in social environments. 89 00:04:38,904 --> 00:04:41,866 There have been times where all my male colleagues 90 00:04:41,866 --> 00:04:45,161 go to dinner and they don't invite the women. 91 00:04:45,161 --> 00:04:48,497 I remember an executive producer telling me early on, 92 00:04:48,497 --> 00:04:51,417 they want to hire who they want to sit at the bar 93 00:04:51,417 --> 00:04:54,170 and have a beer with. 94 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:56,672 And I think that was what planted that seed of like, 95 00:04:56,672 --> 00:04:57,965 oh, I need to learn how to play golf. 96 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,510 That didn't really work out. 97 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:04,597 It was way harder than I thought it was, 98 00:05:04,597 --> 00:05:05,973 and I knew I wasn't gonna be any good at it. 99 00:05:08,184 --> 00:05:12,813 It's all about attraction and leverage, really. 100 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:16,650 Because the leverage is, I can give you this. 101 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:19,195 What can you give me? 102 00:05:19,195 --> 00:05:23,282 Not everybody can pull off the charisma part of it. 103 00:05:23,282 --> 00:05:26,702 And that's where key machines come into play. 104 00:05:26,702 --> 00:05:28,829 That's where producers come into play. 105 00:05:28,829 --> 00:05:33,000 That's where, you know, agents come into play. 106 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,171 And the individual desires of each gatekeeper 107 00:05:37,171 --> 00:05:39,548 are the desires that control the abuse. 108 00:05:42,009 --> 00:05:43,552 RACHAEL HOROVITZ: Everyone you're dealing with 109 00:05:43,552 --> 00:05:47,098 has got an agenda for themselves. 110 00:05:47,098 --> 00:05:50,017 So, your agent has a career that they're managing 111 00:05:50,017 --> 00:05:52,978 with much more focus than they're managing your career. 112 00:05:54,855 --> 00:05:56,816 KIERSEY CLEMONS: I specifically had managers that were acting 113 00:05:56,816 --> 00:05:58,984 as kind of these gatekeepers. 114 00:05:58,984 --> 00:06:01,278 And so, the people on my team that wanted to help me 115 00:06:01,278 --> 00:06:03,197 couldn't really access me. 116 00:06:03,197 --> 00:06:05,199 It got to the point where they were just like, 117 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:07,159 "You're too good for this, and you're too good for that." 118 00:06:07,159 --> 00:06:11,038 And it would be things I wanted to do and things I liked. 119 00:06:11,038 --> 00:06:13,457 But then, the stuff that I specifically said 120 00:06:13,457 --> 00:06:16,585 I don't want to do, if it involved a lot of money, 121 00:06:16,585 --> 00:06:19,088 all of a sudden, that's what I deserve, 122 00:06:19,088 --> 00:06:20,005 "That's what you want." 123 00:06:22,883 --> 00:06:26,262 LORRIE: We are, in fact, presenting artists. 124 00:06:26,262 --> 00:06:28,431 We're not presenting insurance policies. 125 00:06:28,431 --> 00:06:30,474 It's not one size fits all. 126 00:06:30,474 --> 00:06:32,726 So, I think an agent has to be creative 127 00:06:32,726 --> 00:06:34,478 on behalf of the client. 128 00:06:34,478 --> 00:06:37,148 Turn male roles into female roles, 129 00:06:37,148 --> 00:06:40,192 roles that are written white, make them someone of color. 130 00:06:42,445 --> 00:06:44,321 DIANA WILLIAMS: When you get that list from that agent 131 00:06:44,321 --> 00:06:46,657 that only has white male names on it, 132 00:06:46,657 --> 00:06:48,451 you pick up the phone and you call that agent, 133 00:06:48,451 --> 00:06:50,453 you say, "This is unacceptable." 134 00:06:50,453 --> 00:06:53,497 It is ridiculous that there are so many people 135 00:06:53,497 --> 00:06:56,876 in hiring positions, people who are gatekeepers 136 00:06:56,876 --> 00:06:59,128 who are quite limited in their vision. 137 00:06:59,128 --> 00:07:01,046 And those are the people that need to be out. 138 00:07:01,046 --> 00:07:03,716 How can Hollywood be progressive 139 00:07:03,716 --> 00:07:06,427 and talk about paying women fairly, 140 00:07:06,427 --> 00:07:08,429 when you don't talk about equity, 141 00:07:08,429 --> 00:07:11,307 or talk about paying, you know, Black and brown folks appropriately 142 00:07:11,307 --> 00:07:13,100 when you don't talk about reparations? 143 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:15,227 How can you be progressive and be an ally, 144 00:07:15,227 --> 00:07:16,937 and I never hear you speak of equity? 145 00:07:19,023 --> 00:07:21,358 LINDA: There's a reason why the State of California 146 00:07:21,358 --> 00:07:25,571 has now passed a law that says you cannot ask people for quotes. 147 00:07:25,571 --> 00:07:27,573 Because what that did, is that if somebody 148 00:07:27,573 --> 00:07:29,825 was at a low level because they hadn't negotiated 149 00:07:29,825 --> 00:07:33,579 or they hadn't been able to get the kind of fee 150 00:07:33,579 --> 00:07:36,540 that they should have gotten, they're not stuck at that level forever. 151 00:07:36,540 --> 00:07:39,668 They can go in and say, "Pay me what I'm worth." 152 00:07:39,668 --> 00:07:44,757 Part of what I see as my job is to say, "This is what you deserve. 153 00:07:44,757 --> 00:07:47,384 "This is what you should get because of who you are. 154 00:07:47,384 --> 00:07:50,471 "And let's go for it, let's not be afraid to ask 155 00:07:50,471 --> 00:07:52,973 for fear of getting smacked." 156 00:07:55,434 --> 00:07:58,521 LAURA: We need to bring up voices 157 00:07:58,521 --> 00:08:02,358 that haven't had the same opportunities of entry. 158 00:08:02,358 --> 00:08:06,195 And that's on me, that's my responsibility. 159 00:08:06,195 --> 00:08:07,905 REBECCA KEEGAN: Once you've made it through the gatekeepers, 160 00:08:07,905 --> 00:08:11,951 the next battle is getting your script into development, 161 00:08:11,951 --> 00:08:14,203 and that's a whole new kind of struggle.