1 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:00,800 PROLOGUE ONCE UPON A TIME 2 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,320 ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD (2019) 3 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,200 Well, it looks delicious. 4 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:17,680 -Thank you. -Enjoy, sir. 5 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:28,400 After that Musso & Frank's lunch meeting, Marvin did provide Rick job opportunities 6 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,160 in the Italian film industry. 7 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,720 Rick Dalton, Marvin Schwarz here. Hold on. 8 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,560 Hennessy X.O on the rocks. 9 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:36,640 Yes, Mr. Schwarz. 10 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,280 Two words. 11 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,960 Nebraska Jim, Sergio Corbucci. 12 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,000 Nebraska what? 13 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,120 Sergio who? 14 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,360 -Sergio Corbucci. -And who's that? 15 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,960 The second-best director 16 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,480 of Spaghetti Westerns in the whole wide world. 17 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,680 He's doing a new Western. It's called Nebraska Jim. 18 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,160 And because of me, he's considering you. 19 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,680 First things first. 20 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:03,080 Rick didn't understand Spaghetti Westerns. He didn't like Spaghetti Westerns. 21 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,520 But he wanted to continue being the lead in movies, and he wanted make some money. 22 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,480 So Marvin arranges for him to meet with Corbucci for Nebraska Jim. 23 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,680 So, he goes to Rome, 24 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,680 and Sergio and his wife Nori meet with him, with Marvin, 25 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,160 at Sergio's favorite restaurant, in Rome. 26 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,600 They talk, and Rick likes the script. He likes the Nebraska Jim character. 27 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,840 So he's talking to him about the role and everything. 28 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:34,800 They're trying to get to know each other a little bit, but Rick made a big mistake. 29 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:40,440 He thought Sergio Corbucci was Sergio Leone 30 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,280 because Marvin had him watch A Fistful of Dollars, 31 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,720 so he would get a better understanding of the Spaghetti Western. 32 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,920 Then he hears "Sergio," so he thinks it's the same guy. 33 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,040 So he's sitting there with Corbucci and Nori, and he's like, 34 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,800 "You know, I gotta tell you. I cannot believe that performance 35 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,920 you got out of Clint Eastwood." 36 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,200 "That's the best work he's ever done and will ever do." 37 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,520 "I can't believe a director got that out of him." 38 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,480 "You did a great job directing him. I thought that was terrific." 39 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,920 And then both Sergio and Nori realized that he thinks he's Leone. 40 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:22,680 So he goes, "I didn't direct that film." 41 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,400 "My friend Sergio Leone directed that film, 42 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,400 but I will be sure to tell him that you like it." 43 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,400 Marvin is completely humiliated. 44 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,840 He's like, "Why did you show me the movie?" 45 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:36,840 "I showed it to you, so you'd better understand the genre." 46 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,200 He's like, "I don't even know what that word means! What does 'genre' mean?" 47 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,040 "I don't understand what that word means." 48 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,640 "I think you're showing me a movie directed by a Sergio, 49 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,840 and I figured this guy was the same Sergio. This is not my fault." 50 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,600 Nori takes him off the hook, "Hey, Marvin. It's okay, you know, 51 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,360 he doesn't speak Italian… All these Sergios, a bit confusing." 52 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,200 "He doesn't understand. It's okay." 53 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,480 And Sergio, "Marvin, it's okay. I barely know who he is." 54 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,320 "He doesn't need to know who I am." 55 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,680 But Rick sticks his foot in it again. 56 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,040 They ask him, "Have you seen any Italian Westerns?" 57 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,000 And he mentions he saw a really bad one on an airplane. 58 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,520 And they go, "What's the bad one?" 59 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,480 He says, "A horrible movie with Burt Reynolds, 60 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,400 where he's wearing a wig that makes him look like Natalie Wood." 61 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,080 "I think it's called Navajo Joe." 62 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,640 And he's going on and on. 63 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,440 Sergio stops them all so they don't reveal that it's his movie, 64 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,280 and then he says, "I directed the movie." 65 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,560 After Rick has literally referred to it as a piece of shit. 66 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,160 Then again Sergio takes him off the hook. 67 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,080 "Did you see the English version?" "Yes." "I hate the English version!" 68 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,560 "The English version's terrible. I agree with you. It's terrible." 69 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,760 But the, after a certain point, 70 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,240 he has Nori and Marvin leave, and Sergio talks to Rick and goes, 71 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,320 "Look." 72 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,040 "You don't respect me. You don't respect the Italian films." 73 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,880 "You call my movie a piece of shit. Why should I work with you?" 74 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,240 "I think you're interesting. You're an arrogant bastard." 75 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,400 "Nebraska Jim's an arrogant bastard, so I like that." 76 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,800 "I like that about you, and I like you in your TV show." 77 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,200 "I like you, but why should I work with you if you think our stuff is shit?" 78 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:15,760 Rick goes, "Sergio, I don't understand Italian Westerns." 79 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:17,160 "I will give you that." 80 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,280 "I grew up watching Hoot Gibson and Lash LaRue." 81 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,480 "I don't get this Mario Banananano. I don't understand that." 82 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,080 "I don't understand this whole Italian thing." 83 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,680 "But I don't know about movies. You know about movies." 84 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,760 "What does it matter if I don't get it?" 85 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:34,440 "What does it matter if I like Nebraska Jim or not?" 86 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,200 "I'm good in Westerns. I'm a good cowboy." 87 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:40,880 "You put a hat on my head, you put me in a cool costume, 88 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,600 you put me on a horse, you're gonna like what I do." 89 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,680 "It doesn't matter if I get them." 90 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,200 "It doesn't matter if I like them. It matters whether or not you like them." 91 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:52,040 "I'm good in Westerns. I'm a good cowboy." 92 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,760 "I'll give you a good Nebraska Jim. You'll be happy with my Nebraska Jim." 93 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,000 And that convinces Corbucci to hire him. 94 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,560 But it's his first movie, 95 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,400 so he's not used to the Italian way of shooting. 96 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,320 He's not used to the Tower of Babel shooting style, 97 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,520 where the bad sheriff is German, 98 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,960 the girl is Hebrew, 99 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,480 the other bad guy is Spanish, and everyone else is Italian. 100 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,040 {\an8}So the Spanish guy says his line, 101 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,920 {\an8}and then the German guy says his line, and the Hebrew girl says her line, 102 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,160 {\an8}and you knew when the Hebrew girl stops talking, that's you're line. 103 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,960 {\an8}So he didn't understand that. He thought it was crazy. 104 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,320 {\an8}"Wow! We thought television was bad. This is horrible!" 105 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:33,720 The whole non-synced stuff, 106 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,800 everyone speaking their own language, was ridiculous to him. 107 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,360 And he couldn't believe the intense conditions. 108 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,600 They were in a trailer in the middle of nowhere. 109 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,480 If they gotta blow stuff up, they're using real dynamite. 110 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:48,200 Whoa! 111 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:52,720 So he was problematic during the making of the movie, 112 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,960 and he had some temper tantrums every once in a while. 113 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,480 He liked Sergio, 114 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,320 but he let it be known that he thought this stuff was beneath him. 115 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,400 Then he goes off, and he makes four more Italian films, 116 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,520 including Operation Dyn-O-Mite! 117 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,680 {\an8}He actually worked with good directors, to tell you the truth. 118 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,040 {\an8}The entertaining Antonio Margheriti, 119 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,520 {\an8}Calvin Jackson Padget, 120 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,920 {\an8}and one of the best Paella Western directors out of Spain, 121 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,240 {\an8}Joaquín Romero Marchent. 122 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,640 But in the course of making those movies, 123 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,320 he realizes that Corbucci was a class act. 124 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,640 And so, as he's wrapping up his Italian sojourn, 125 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,080 Corbucci is getting ready to do The Specialists, 126 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,520 and Rick really wants the part of Hud. 127 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,080 He gets together with Sergio for dinner, 128 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,840 and Sergio is moved by Rick's new humble attitude. 129 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,280 He likes Rick, and he liked what Rick did in the movie. 130 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,400 But Rick just had one temper tantrum too many, 131 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,400 and it's really hard for a director to forget. 132 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,600 You can forgive, 133 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,160 but it's hard to forget an actor when they have one tantrum too many. 134 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,320 One tantrum where they put themselves over the movie they were making. 135 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,920 And so, he considers Rick for The Specialists. 136 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,560 But at the end, he went with Johnny Hallyday. 137 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,600 THE SPECIALISTS (1969) 138 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,560 {\an8}For you, young people! 139 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,120 {\an8}Your records, your problems, your topics. 140 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,040 {\an8}Hosted by Renzo Arbore and Anna Maria Fusco. 141 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:57,120 {\an8}-How are you? -All good. 142 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,080 {\an8}I wasn't asking you. I was asking our audience. 143 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:06,240 Today, as usual, at 5:10 p.m. sharp, we start our show of music and songs. 144 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,800 The first record by Ohio Express, the "Yummy Yummy Yummy" band, 145 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,320 well known in Italy too, The Ohio Express. 146 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,520 {\an8}GOD FORGIVES… I DON'T! 147 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,600 {\an8}A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS 148 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,160 A MOVIE BY SERGIO LEONE 149 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,000 {\an8}FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE 150 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,320 A FEW DOLLARS FOR DJANGO 151 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,520 {\an8}FOR A FEW EXTRA DOLLARS 152 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,400 {\an8}A PISTOL FOR RINGO 153 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,000 {\an8}RINGO, THE MARK OF VENGEANCE 154 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:50,520 {\an8}THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY 155 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,520 {\an8}SHARP-SHOOTING TWIN SISTERS 156 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,440 {\an8}WHO KILLED JOHNNY R.? 157 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,360 {\an8}THE TOUGH ONE 158 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,480 {\an8}ROME 159 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:37,360 CHAPTER ONE THE OTHER SERGIO 160 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,160 After I did Inglourious Basterds, 161 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,000 I had it in my mind that I wanted to write 162 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,960 a book on Sergio Corbucci. 163 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,960 I was gonna call it The Other Sergio or something like that. 164 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,080 And so, in watching these films and breaking them down, 165 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,720 that's when I started coming up with my theory 166 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,360 about everything was about Fascism, 167 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,520 and that was the subtextual aspect of the films. 168 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,200 And then breaking down the archetypes, 169 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,160 and seeing how they carried over from film to film. 170 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,920 COMPAÑEROS (1970) 171 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,720 -Who do you vote for? -I vote against Diaz. 172 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,360 Put him against the wall. 173 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,200 Dad! 174 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,800 Squad, load! 175 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,520 Aim! 176 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:36,840 Fire! 177 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,080 One of the things that I think is fundamental to his work 178 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,760 is the idea that Corbucci, as a little boy, 179 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,880 grew up in Italy dominated by the Fascists. 180 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,080 He grew up in a World War II Fascist Italy. 181 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,080 His father was a uniform-wearing Fascist. 182 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,440 His father wasn't into the Fascists. Apparently, when he got home, 183 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,040 he took off the uniform and threw it in the corner, 184 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,160 but he was made to be a Fascist. He had to wear the uniform. 185 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,720 Not only that, when Sergio was a little boy, 186 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,040 he was part of the kind of Fascist Boys Choir 187 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,760 that Mussolini had. 188 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,840 And there actually was a moment 189 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,120 where sort of kinda Sergio met Hitler. 190 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,720 Hitler was visiting Rome to visit Mussolini, 191 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,760 and so, when Hitler came up, they actually had the Fascist Boys Choir. 192 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,760 They're singing for him. 193 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,280 And so, apparently, 194 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,880 where Corbucci was sitting in the choir. 195 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,840 He was, like, five feet from both Hitler and Mussolini. 196 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,680 Like, you know, shaking hands and hugging each other. 197 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,240 And Hitler looking and like, "The boys are doing a very good job." 198 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,040 "It's very lovely. The cream of Italian youth." 199 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,840 I believe that once Sergio Corbucci got into 200 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,040 doing the Westerns that we know him for, 201 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,880 I think he had a theme, and I do think every single one of them, 202 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,920 of those Westerns, works with this theme, you know. 203 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,680 I think they all were his treaty on Fascism, 204 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,040 on the Fascism that he experienced growing up in World War II. 205 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,320 The Fascism that Italy had come out of, 206 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,160 but that was, you know, he knew his whole life. 207 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,480 And he had witnessed World War II. 208 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:49,160 And so, I think the Westerns were all in response to that. 209 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,560 I want to know who you vote for, 210 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:52,640 pig. 211 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,600 Answer! 212 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Now, do I really know that this is exactly what Corbucci 213 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,960 was thinking about at the time, 214 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,920 and this is what he was executing? 215 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,840 No, I don't actually know that. 216 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,840 But I know I'm thinking about it now. 217 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,240 The Great Silence, 218 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,560 which refers also to Vietnam as well as to the Third World, 219 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,240 is a movie about Fascism, against Fascism. 220 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,120 I think everyone should fight against Fascism and Nazism. 221 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,320 Camera! 222 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:32,600 CHAPTER TWO THE NEW WESTERN WAVE 223 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:33,640 Silence! 224 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,520 -Action! -Started. 225 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,120 ON THE SET OF THE SPECIALISTS 226 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,320 I'll show you what happens to those who touch the Sheriff! 227 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,680 I can shoot too, and even better than you! 228 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,640 I could kill you if I wanted to! 229 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,480 That whole group, the first group of Spaghetti Western directors, 230 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:27,200 Leone, Corbucci, Duccio Tessari, Franco Giraldi, they were all friends. 231 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,160 They all were critics writing for… 232 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,520 I think his brother Bruno was one of them too. 233 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,880 They were all critics writing for magazines 234 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,600 and newspapers on movies, 235 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:38,840 and… 236 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,360 and they all loved Westerns. 237 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,080 They loved Westerns above all other movies, 238 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,640 even though they liked other movies. That was their thing. 239 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,560 This group of guys started working as critics, 240 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,560 and then little by little, became screenwriters. 241 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,560 Sometimes credited, sometimes not, 242 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,160 but they all got into the Italian film industry through screenwriting. 243 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,680 Then through screenwriting, 244 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,840 they became second unit directors. 245 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,400 And so, that's where they really learned their craft. 246 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,520 Where both of the Sergio's careers really changed 247 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,080 was when they did second unit work on a movie called 248 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,920 The Last Days of Pompeii, directed by Mario Bonnard. 249 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:25,960 And the thing about it was 250 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,080 they were enlisted to do second unit on that, 251 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,520 and they did so much second unit 252 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,160 that they were really kind of given credit for the success of the movie. 253 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,240 Actually, both Leone and Corbucci have denied this, saying, 254 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,040 "We did a lot of work on the film, 255 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,480 but the film is definitely Mario Bonnard's film. It's not our film." 256 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,880 But they shot so much of it, 257 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,120 that it was known in the Italian industry how much they shot. 258 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,560 And because it was known in the industry how great their contribution was to it, 259 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,480 that was where they were able to get into the director's chair 260 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,440 in a way that would be significant. 261 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,200 And so, Leone did his first movie, which was Colossus of Rhodes 262 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,480 with Rory Calhoun, 263 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,200 and Corbucci did his biggest movie at that time, 264 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,920 which was Duel of the Titans, 265 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,200 which starred Steve Reeves and Gordon Scott, 266 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,760 which, at the time, 267 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,240 at least as far as peplum was concerned, 268 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,600 was like having Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt starring in your movie. 269 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,480 They were the two biggest of the peplum stars. 270 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,760 For them to actually be in the same movie together was amazing. 271 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:39,440 You are an ambitious man and often a cruel one. 272 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,160 Be quiet, old man! 273 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,080 You shouldn't have done that, Remus! 274 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,680 I know what should be done and what shouldn't be done. 275 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,680 You keep out of this, Romulus. There's only one leader here, me! 276 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,760 That's a decision you made on your own. 277 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,440 Our mother's dying wish was that we live in agreement 278 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,920 and together build the city. 279 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,840 The gods have chosen me, and by the gods, I'll convince you! 280 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,000 If you're trying to provoke me, you won't succeed. 281 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,480 I'd never fight my brother. 282 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,400 After doing those movies, 283 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,200 that's when Corbucci started heading into doing Italian Westerns. 284 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:21,520 But his first Westerns he did, which he did before Leone, 285 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,920 they were done pre A Fistful of Dollars. 286 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,320 You can absolutely tell Corbucci did them, 287 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,120 and you can tell they're Italian. 288 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,600 But they don't have exactly the surrealistic quality 289 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,600 that we associate with the Spaghetti Western 290 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,560 that the Leone pictures did, 291 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,760 and then the ones that came out after, post A Fistful of Dollars. 292 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:48,560 But there is a reason for that. He wasn't looking for that. 293 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,480 He liked American Westerns. 294 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,600 He had grown up on them. 295 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,240 And so, he wanted to do 296 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,200 cool American-style Westerns, just do them in Italy. 297 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,640 And the two that he did, 298 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,800 Massacre at Grand Canyon with James Mitchum 299 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,720 and Minnesota Clay with Cameron Mitchell, 300 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,400 are the two movies that fit into that category. 301 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,560 And Minnesota Clay is like a superior version 302 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,240 of a Glenn Ford, Delmer Daves Western. 303 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,280 The whole movie could have been done starring Ford and Daves. 304 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,040 I like the Ford-Daves Westerns, 305 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,640 but amongst them, it'd be one of the best ones. 306 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,080 And as much as I like Massacre at Grand Canyon, 307 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,720 I prefer Minnesota Clay. 308 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,600 I think Minnesota Clay is one of Corbucci's best films. 309 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:42,720 Water. 310 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,200 We don't serve water around here, buddy. 311 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,080 I'm looking for a man called Fox, Five Aces Fox. A smart guy. 312 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,960 Hey, buddy, you must be new around here if you go around asking these questions. 313 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:58,120 Whereas… 314 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:01,680 you must be hard of hearing. 315 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,520 I asked you where I can find a man called Fox. 316 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,360 You ask too many questions. 317 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,680 And we are trigger-happy here. 318 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,840 I think when he does Minnesota Clay, he does everything he wanted to do. 319 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,840 Then his colleague, Sergio Leone, does A Fistful of Dollars, 320 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,440 and that changes everything. 321 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,000 It changes the landscape of Italian Cinema. 322 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,920 It changes the Italian film industry, 323 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,400 and even though no one knows it yet, it's changed Westerns. 324 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,920 American… It's changed Westerns forever. 325 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,760 The world doesn't quite realize it yet, but it has. 326 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:52,080 CHAPTER THREE THE WILD BUNCH 327 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,440 All those are authentic Roman images. 328 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,560 Yes, the vestiges of the conquest. 329 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,800 The conquest of the Wild West, 330 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:10,480 which has left a deep mark on the soul of the eternal city. 331 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:17,280 Every year, we would make 150 Westerns 332 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,120 of varied quality. Truly different quality. 333 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,880 Marco, it was okay, but I didn't see you smile. 334 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,280 Let's do it again. Let's change it. 335 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,960 When we made Django, the horses ran away. 336 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,600 Action. Go! Start going… 337 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,360 The horses ran away and went to a different set. 338 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,000 But that happened all the time. 339 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,200 Another set, another movie, just 30 meters away. 340 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,320 The director, Count Guido Celano is ready for the kidnapping scene, 341 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,240 which is the spotlight of his movie Gun Shy Piluk. 342 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,960 Okay. You got it. I can tell you… 343 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,400 Nobody knew which one was the right set anymore. 344 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,680 There were the Elios studios, which were done first, 345 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,240 by the photography director, Alvaro Manconi. 346 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,440 After that, they made even smaller ones. 347 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,720 There was one in Manziana, 348 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,160 another one in Abruzzo. 349 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,760 -Why do you make Westerns? -Pardon me? 350 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,520 I make Westerns because Abruzzo is my home, 351 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,560 and Abruzzo is the real Italian West. It's like America. 352 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,080 I remember, as an assistant director, 353 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,600 I started with Rossellini, 354 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:33,400 then I had a period with Bragaglia, 355 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,480 then I worked with Sergio Corbucci, then Bolognini, with all the directors, 356 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,600 with Autant-Lara, with Losey… 357 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,400 And then they'd also send me with boneheads 358 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,680 because I had to teach them how to be a good director. 359 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,000 They really were boneheads. They knew nothing. 360 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,920 Rome in the '60s was incredible. 361 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:08,160 And Sergio was always at the Dolce Vita in Via Veneto, 362 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,320 with a big entourage. 363 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,920 At that time, his name, Sergio Corbucci, already had a place 364 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,360 among the intellectuals, like Piero Piccioni and all the others. 365 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,640 I was still young. 366 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,080 I had just made two movies with Rossellini, 367 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:28,320 when I got a call 368 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,560 from Titanus, 369 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,800 and they said, "You'd need to leave the day after tomorrow to Egypt 370 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,480 to play The Slave." 371 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,320 And I made myself noticed. Since then, Sergio always called me. 372 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,880 I did 13 movies with him. 373 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:42,200 CHAPTER FOUR V FOR VIOLENCE 374 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,000 Ready? Go. 375 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,480 Right. That's good. Show me. 376 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,200 It needs more blood. Add some more blood. 377 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,400 THE GREAT SILENCE (1968) 378 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,000 As far as I am concerned, 379 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,440 Leone creates the greatest trilogy in the history of cinema 380 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,520 with the three dollars movies. 381 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,000 Each movie is a bigger epic than the last one. 382 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,320 Each one is a bigger statement of Westerns. 383 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,360 Each one is a bigger statement on him as an artist, 384 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,560 on who he is and what he wants to do. 385 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,640 Each one is a bigger recreation of the Western as seen from his eyes. 386 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,920 Corbucci is different. 387 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,840 Corbucci decided to not do that. 388 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,840 Once he started doing Spaghetti Westerns, 389 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,280 he didn't go out for epics. 390 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:46,560 He went for the more violent cowboy picture kind of movie. 391 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,800 He wanted to keep them genre. They're not epics. 392 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,600 They're cowboy pictures. They're vengeance pictures. 393 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,480 He wanted to make 394 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,280 a Japanese movie. 395 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,160 You know, a dark one, 396 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,480 with black humor. 397 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,440 So, every day, he was, "Fra, how many shall we kill today?" 398 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,160 "I don't know. Shall we say 20, 25?" 399 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,080 We'd have a laugh about that. 400 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,160 This Western director created the most violent West possible. 401 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,080 As violent as the real West was, Corbucci's West was more violent, 402 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,480 and that ends up giving it this operatic quality. 403 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,240 Well, Bolognini taught me elegance, 404 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,560 which helped me work on 1,700 adverts. 405 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,720 It was thanks to the elegance that Bolognini taught me. 406 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:13,480 Rossellini taught me how to tell stories. I can tell a story in 15 seconds. 407 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,120 And I got all the cruelty from Sergio Corbucci. 408 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,600 He was really cruel. 409 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,600 I mean, the slicing off the ear, you know. 410 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,040 But that's how he was. 411 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,720 He was bloodthirsty. He didn't give a damn. 412 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,040 He was also ironic, though. 413 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,080 Yes, absolutely. 414 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,360 No! 415 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Go. 416 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,320 Hey, Yankee. 417 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,320 Do you like the scene where he stabs the hand with a fork? 418 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,120 -Do you like Westerns? -Yes. 419 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,760 -Yes? Which type of Westerns? -Violent ones. 420 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,560 Violent? Do you also like war movies? 421 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,320 Because here they're shooting a war movie. 422 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,360 -If there's violence, yes. -There's always violence in those films. 423 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,960 In Westerns, there's more violence. 424 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,800 -You like horses then… -Blood. I like blood. 425 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,360 In Westerns movies, I like fistfights. 426 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400 We're a bit sadistic. We like seeing blood, fights… 427 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,160 What do you mean, "sadistic"? 428 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,960 We like blood, fistfights, killing… 429 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,640 Now tell me who gave you the money to buy my brother's house. 430 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,240 Say it! 431 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,440 You'd better say it, Boot. 432 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,400 -I'm losing my patience. -I know nothing. 433 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,760 -I know nothing! -Tell me who paid you to shoot Charlie. 434 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,680 Tell me! 435 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,440 Say it! 436 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:33,040 The villain is the most important character in the whole movie, 437 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,200 The villain runs the show. 438 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,720 The villain tells the story that's being told. 439 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,600 The villain creates the landscape. 440 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,040 Everything Corbucci wants to say about Fascism, 441 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,040 he says it through his villains, 442 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,120 and his villains 443 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,160 are always stand-ins for 20th century or BC villains. 444 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,400 So his films are always a standout for the National Socialist Party, 445 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,240 THE MERCENARY (1968) 446 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,800 with a brown shirt, Fascist movements, 447 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,720 for Manson-like, gangs of killers… 448 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,040 No! Let go of me! 449 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,480 Now we'll show you what we can do! 450 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,720 -Cowards! -We will show you! 451 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,040 …a Fascist Police Force, 452 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,720 that has unlimited power, 453 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,800 or Caesar, 454 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,200 or Caligula. 455 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,320 In the later films, 456 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,360 it's only his heroes' combat with the villains 457 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,480 and the evilness of the villains that even allows the avengers 458 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,400 to even be portrayed anywhere in a heroic light. 459 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,240 It's only by contrast to the antagonist. 460 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,320 In this film, Mr. Corbucci, have you much death and violence? 461 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,000 Well, you probably know that I am a Roman, 462 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,840 and at home, in some closets, it's presumed to be the skeleton of Nero, 463 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,440 who is proving to be a good example for me. 464 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,160 Yes, I am killing a lot of people. 465 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,760 I have killed more people than Nero and Caligula. 466 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,960 But each time, it's more difficult for me to find a new method of murder. 467 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,520 That's why I hate Westerns. 468 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,040 After this, Mr. Corbucci, what films will you do? 469 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,280 A Western, naturally. 470 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:26,240 CHAPTER FIVE THE PROTAGONISTS 471 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,280 He really wanted me for The Great Silence, 472 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,800 a movie he did on the snow, 473 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,480 where the main character dies. 474 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,600 The bad one survives and the hero dies. 475 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,240 There is a mute character, 476 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,000 and the other one is played by Klaus Kinski. 477 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,160 I said, "Sergio, I'm off to the US," and he didn't take it well. 478 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,440 "Why the heck do you want to go to the US?" 479 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:07,560 "You'd better work here now that we've had a big success with Django." 480 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,000 I said, "Sergio, I'm going to America." 481 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,800 He was very disappointed, and he hired Trintignant. 482 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,920 Jean Louis Trintignant is now doing his first Western, 483 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,440 an Italian Western, with me. 484 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,720 It's an unusual one because the main character is French, 485 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,480 and then, it's entirely set in the snow, in the winter. 486 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,960 We'll be shooting in a region where, we are told, 487 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,680 it'll be 21 degrees Celsius below zero, so it will be challenging. 488 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,760 Among other things about this movie, which is called The Great Silence, 489 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,520 and which is my sixth Western, yes, the sixth one, I think, 490 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,520 the main character never speaks. You never speak in the movie, right? 491 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,640 In fact, he's mute. A mute gunslinger. 492 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,160 You could at least answer me. 493 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,920 Can't you speak? 494 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,280 I'm sorry. 495 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,880 He has other archetypes. He has his lead protagonist. 496 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,200 His lead protagonists 497 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,880 are never heroes. They're not what you would call a hero. 498 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,720 The best you could call them is an avenger. 499 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,960 That's the nicest thing you can say about them, an avenger. 500 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,680 In another Western, 501 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,320 they could be the villain. 502 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,600 In fact, not only that, in another Corbucci Western, 503 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,640 a Corbucci protagonist 504 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,320 could be the villain to another Corbucci protagonist. 505 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,360 One day, Sergio came to me and said, "Rugge, 506 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,760 we have to make a movie." 507 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,320 And he brings me a comic. 508 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,640 There was a guy pulling a coffin. 509 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,880 It was a great idea, a guy pulling a coffin. 510 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,800 Django was inspired by Japanese movies, Seven Samurai, 511 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,400 Rashomon, which were movies 512 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,600 a bit dark, full of mud. 513 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,160 Maybe a bit macabre because there was a coffin. 514 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,320 A lot of my movies had a coffin. 515 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,160 Even in movies with Totò, there were often coffins. 516 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:38,800 Because a coffin in a movie always brings good luck, not sure why. 517 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,720 So I went to the Elios. 518 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,480 A big mess. 519 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,400 It was really basic, dirty. 520 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,440 And so much mud. 521 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,200 A run-down village. 522 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,640 The extras were horrendous, 523 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,640 but they were cheap and were already there, so I said, 524 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,280 "Sergio, shall we put some red hoods on them?" 525 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,520 During the shooting, 526 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,280 the movie with Clint Eastwood by Sergio Leone was already out. 527 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,200 Since they were friends, 528 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,640 they spoke, and Sergio said to Leone, 529 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:28,400 "Come and see me on the set, and I'll show you the actor I chose." 530 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,520 So, one day, Leone showed up. 531 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,280 There was mud everywhere. We were at Elios, and it was full of mud. 532 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,640 I will never forget how Leone started staring at me. 533 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,480 He kept looking at me, and Sergio went, "So what do you think?" 534 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,160 "You hit the jackpot!" 535 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,040 Meaning, you won the lottery. 536 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,880 These were his words, Leone's words. 537 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,440 More mud brought good luck. 538 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,160 Red hoods brought good luck. 539 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,160 Franco Nero brought luck. 540 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,920 He also said, 541 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,760 "I think this movie will be a big hit, and do you know why?" 542 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,160 "Because it addresses the working class." 543 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:13,840 And he was right 544 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,320 because it had become a great political movie, 545 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,480 where the Mexican peons were the oppressed ones. 546 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,200 When it comes to those Westerns that we're talking about 547 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,800 of that period, 548 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,520 my two personal favorites are The Hellbenders 549 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,200 and Navajo Joe. 550 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,920 What's your name? 551 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,480 Joe. 552 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,280 I've never known an Indian named Joe. 553 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,360 And I've never seen a Navajo so far south before. 554 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,160 And me an Indian girl that asks so many questions. 555 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,360 Navajo Joe 556 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,280 was the most violent movie 557 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,840 ever released by a studio 558 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:08,080 to American screens until The Wild Bunch, 559 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,200 which was about two years later, I think. 560 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,840 Navajo Joe was fun 561 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:23,440 because there was Burt Reynolds who was meant to replace Marlon Brando. 562 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,200 He was so ill-humored. I used to go to his trailer to call him, 563 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,920 "I'm not coming. I'll come when I feel like it." 564 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,400 He was young and just started his career. 565 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,320 So once, I told him, "Fuck you, asshole!" 566 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,600 After 15 years, he came to Rome. 567 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,120 He went to an actor's house, in Zagarolo, 568 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,800 and he said, "Let's call Ruggero." 569 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,960 And so, he went… 570 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,680 Lucio Rosato, the actor, 571 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,640 said to me, "Burt Reynolds wants to talk to you." 572 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,280 So he puts Burt Reynolds on, and he goes, 573 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,680 "Ruggero, fuck you, asshole." 574 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,360 After 15 years, he remembered that. 575 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,440 His physical performance is astonishing in that movie. 576 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,120 It's one of the great action physical performances. 577 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,720 One of the things that's fantastic about his performance in Navajo Joe, 578 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,760 it's such an athletic performance. 579 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,720 Joe has a fighting style 580 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,920 that is recognizable when you watch the film 581 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,200 as he attacks Duncan's men. 582 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,560 Burt Reynolds had this blitzkrieg, football attack against the bad guys. 583 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,760 He's, like, leaping and jumping on them and doing somersaults in the dirt. 584 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,520 And he practically killed himself making the movie. 585 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,400 Until martial art movies, that was not a thing. 586 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,880 Lead characters didn't have a fighting style. 587 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,280 They didn't have a style you could notice fighting from this film to that film, 588 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,640 this opponent to that opponent. It was just donnybrooks. 589 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,400 It's just usually Big Valley. I hit you. You hit me. 590 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,040 And eventually, I hit you more. 591 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,400 If you look at a lot of the Westerns from the '50s, and even in the '40s too, 592 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,600 those Western heroes 593 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,080 they weren't cool. 594 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:44,880 They were tough. 595 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,760 They were badass, 596 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,160 but, you know, 597 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,600 some version of righteousness 598 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,400 was enabled in their character and then their story. 599 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,800 Even if they were a bad guy, they were trying to do good 600 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,200 at some point in the film. 601 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,960 They weren't sexy. 602 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,640 Their costumes were more functional. 603 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,080 And, you know, there's nothing… 604 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,800 And I'm not putting them down. 605 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,200 Those '50s Westerns 606 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,080 would have a second… 607 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,800 Some of them would have a secondary character, 608 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,000 secondary lead, and that was more of an antihero character. 609 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,800 Were they gonna turn up being good or bad? 610 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,440 You almost had to watch the whole movie to find out. 611 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,120 And those kind of characters were, like, 612 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,000 Richard Widmark's Comanche Todd in The Last Wagon, 613 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,360 which was a direct influence on Navajo Joe. 614 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,160 Burt Lancaster's character in Vera Cruz. 615 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,760 Even Marlon Brando's character, Rio, in One-Eyed Jacks. 616 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,920 They all fit into an antihero, 617 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,480 dubious morality. 618 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,080 Were they gonna work out good or bad? That was almost the point of the movie. 619 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,480 You had to watch the whole damn thing to find out what was going on. 620 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,760 But those characters were not righteous. They all had their problems. 621 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,400 They all had their demons. 622 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,760 They were played sexier 623 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,120 than the stalwart lead. 624 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,480 There was a sexy quality about them, and there was a sense of panache 625 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,880 to the way they were costumed. 626 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,680 They didn't just pick a shirt that fit. There was a comic-book panache. 627 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,880 And this is something Leone did, and Corbucci took it further. 628 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,440 I don't know if he took further, but he double-downed on it for sure. 629 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,680 He gave them 630 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,360 slightly comic-book prowess. 631 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,560 They were faster than fast. 632 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,640 There was something about them that was more than just… 633 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,680 that went beyond a realistic Western. 634 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,000 There was a comic-book panache to their prowess. 635 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:20,160 The one that I have a special affection for is Sonny and Jed. 636 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,880 But I have a different reading on Sonny and Jed than the rest. 637 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,280 Sonny and Jed was sort of his Bonnie and Clyde. 638 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,520 It's a Western, it's one of the he did into the '70s. 639 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,760 And it was Tomas Milian and Susan George 640 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,480 playing a couple of outlaw rascals on the run. 641 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,360 Sonny and Jed tends to turn people off. 642 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,520 One, it has 643 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,800 two of Corbucci's best-directed set-pieces. 644 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,120 The whole opening section, 645 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,520 the whole opening 12-minute section of the movie. 646 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,680 And then there's the scene where Jed is hiding in the corn. 647 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,640 Two of Corbucci's greatest action sequences ever. 648 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,840 But people tend to be turned off by the movie 649 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,560 because they tend to be turned off by Tomas Milian's 650 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,000 cretinous character 651 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,040 of Jed. 652 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,440 Now, I'm turned off by Jed too and his treatment of Sonny, 653 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,080 but there's an aspect about it that's interesting because 654 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,600 it pretty much looks like, not even an allegory, 655 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,560 it pretty much looks like what it is. 656 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,600 It looks like a Western story starring Charles Manson and Squeaky Fromme, 657 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,400 with Susan George playing the Squeaky Fromme character 658 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,640 and Tomas Milian going all out playing Charlie Manson. 659 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,600 I think Sonny and Jed 660 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,160 are not the heroes. I think they are the antagonist. 661 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,800 I think Sonny and Jed are the villains. 662 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,160 Jed is definitely the villain. Sonny… 663 00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:57,800 That's one of the things about Corbucci we haven't talked about, 664 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,440 Corbucci's female characters. 665 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,120 Corbucci's female characters never 666 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,960 fit the role of the standard archetype that I laid out. 667 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,240 They're always doubling up. 668 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,840 Give me that bible, Raschietto. 669 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,400 Swear it's not a trap. 670 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,560 Swear that Clay is really by himself out there. 671 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,040 But be careful, sweetheart. 672 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,560 This will be your last oath 673 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,520 because you'll die soon after. 674 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,400 I'm not scared, Fox. 675 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,640 I don't fear anyone now. 676 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,360 They're hero and victim. 677 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,200 Or townsperson and villain. 678 00:44:58,720 --> 00:44:59,640 Virginia! 679 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,520 -I got him! -Virginia! 680 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,440 Hurry! 681 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,400 -Call the Sheriff, ma'am! Hurry up! -Virgina, help me! 682 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,560 Hurry up! 683 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,760 They're, like… 684 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,400 They usually combine two of the archetypes together, 685 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,360 for his women, which suggests these women are complicated. 686 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,240 And Sonny is a villain/victim in the film. 687 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,840 But to me, the hero of the movie 688 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,800 is Telly Savalas's character, Francisco. 689 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,440 He's the real hero of the film. 690 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,880 Watch the movie from 691 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,120 Telly Savalas's perspective. 692 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,160 Next time you see it, don't watch it from Milian's perspective, 693 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,760 watch it from Telly Savalas's perspective. 694 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,800 He is a Corbucci hero. 695 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,080 And then, even when he gets blinded, 696 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:57,240 when he's completely blind, 697 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,320 he still goes after Sonny and Jed. He doesn't stop his quest. 698 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,040 Now, that makes him a Corbucci's hero. 699 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,320 Because the thing that Corbucci did with his movies 700 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,200 that was different than any other of the Western directors, 701 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,240 he would give his heroes, 702 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,520 like I said, a comic-book panache when it comes to their prowess. 703 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,920 They were faster than you could be in real life. 704 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,960 They had something that gave them almost superhero qualities. 705 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,560 However, 706 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,800 then he takes their prowess away from them. 707 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,360 The thing that sets them up as… 708 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,720 as a superhero cowboy is gone. 709 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,960 He literally removes their superpowers from them. 710 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,560 Even a skilled gunslinger needs his hands. Isn't that right, Django? 711 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,160 Bye now, Django. 712 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,040 My men and I are going back to Mexico, 713 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,000 to either win or die! 714 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,440 Vamos compañeros! 715 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,160 Adios, gringo! See you in hell! 716 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,680 And then he makes them face the villain. 717 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,320 And it's only them facing the villain 718 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,440 without their superpowers that they can claim to be a hero. 719 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,200 It's only the end, when they actually face up 720 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,320 against these figures of Fascism 721 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,680 without, you know… 722 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,520 without their superpowers in their back pocket, 723 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,160 without their ace in the hole. 724 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:41,560 That's… There… 725 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,080 From that point on, for the last five minutes, 726 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,160 that's the moment they can call themselves heroes. 727 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,080 And so it shall be! 728 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:16,640 When you just take the Spaghetti Western as a genre in totality, 729 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:21,920 I actually think Lee Van Cleef and Franco Nero are the two genre leads. 730 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,280 They are the two most iconic figures, not for just one character, 731 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,520 but it's also for, you know, they did a series of movies. 732 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,160 They created a persona, 733 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:34,440 and they became New World Western mythology. 734 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,440 All my movies have always been inspired by comics. 735 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,920 Those adventure comic books that when I was little were called 736 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,760 Mandrake, Tim Tyler's Luck… 737 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,240 and that when I grew up, as a director, became many Westerns, 738 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,200 costume movies, Bud Spencer and Terence Hill… 739 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,520 And, for example, I see Terence Hill as a Milton Caniff hero. 740 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,320 Do remember Terry? Or Bud Spencer as Dick Fulmine. 741 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,480 Adriano Celentano… 742 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,720 could also be a Li'l Abner character. 743 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:16,240 CHAPTER SIX SHADOW AND LIGHT 744 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,640 How are you, Hud? 745 00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,840 God knows how happy I am to see you here visiting your brother. 746 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,480 If it wasn't for me and the sheriff, they wouldn't have even buried him. 747 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,600 They'd have said, "He's a thief. Let's leave him to the vultures." 748 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,920 As much as he hates his Fascists, he hates the communities all the more. 749 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,200 The communities represented by every single one of these towns, 750 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,360 whether it'd be Pollicut's little town… 751 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,400 Welcome to Snow Hill. 752 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,200 …or Blackstone… 753 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:31,240 The people who live in the town, 754 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,640 they're horrible representatives of society. 755 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,520 It's almost a sick joke on John Ford's characters, 756 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:44,360 of the pioneers, "We are the people that rule the West, 757 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,280 and we're creating a community." 758 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,000 The community that Ford created of his characters, 759 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,680 trying to create a community in this wasteland, 760 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,160 is really what he's about. 761 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:03,120 And then, in Corbucci's movies, it's like society is a cesspool. 762 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,240 Society is a sewer, 763 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,080 and all these people in this town deserve anything that's happening to them. 764 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,480 They've all got it coming. 765 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:20,280 He actually makes that subtext actually text in The Specialists. 766 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,680 Come on! Horrible pigs! 767 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,360 -Crawl! -Look! He's coming! 768 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,400 All the three movies I did with Sergio are political movies, 769 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,400 because The Mercenary is a political movie too, 770 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,880 and so is Compañeros, so… 771 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,400 In Compañeros, there was the famous professor, 772 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,560 Fernando Rey, 773 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,520 who taught young people about revolution, in the right way. 774 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:15,360 They used to wear the red scarves, you know, the students… 775 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,560 Yes, definitely. They were political movies. 776 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,360 Those soldiers you killed to save me 777 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,400 were human beings. 778 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,880 And killing a human being, 779 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,560 even if he's our enemy, 780 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,160 is a crime. 781 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,400 Haven't I always taught you this? 782 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,480 Answer me! 783 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,160 What should have we done? Let them shoot you? 784 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,240 The ideals I believe are fearless of death, 785 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,000 and they don't need guns to prevail. 786 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,640 Guys, 787 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,080 never forget this principle. 788 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,920 When fighting for the right ideal, you can also win without violence. 789 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,600 Clearly, I am too old, 790 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,520 and you are all too young. 791 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,440 All of Corbucci's films aren't created equally. 792 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,080 There's not much humor in Navajo Joe. 793 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,600 There's not much humor in The Hellbenders. 794 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,400 There's no humor in The Great Silence. 795 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,680 I did The Great Silence for all those who believe in freedom 796 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,240 and for all those who want to fight. 797 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,320 He breaks out of that when he does the… 798 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,440 the Mexican Revolution trilogy. 799 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,160 God, how beautiful this is. 800 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,160 Thirteen red. 801 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,640 They stand separate. They stand separate from Navajo Joe, from Django. 802 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:48,160 They stand separate from Hellbenders. They're different. 803 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:51,320 Those are the ones where he's indulging more like Leone, 804 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,560 in, like, more comedy bits. 805 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,800 And it's not always black humor in the Mexican Revolution trilogy. 806 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,240 Paco wants to see you, gringo. 807 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,480 And when Leone does Duck, You Sucker!, that's absolutely his version 808 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,760 of a Corbucci Mexican Revolution Western. 809 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,640 Four Jacks. 810 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:29,920 Two ladies… 811 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,240 plus two more… 812 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,440 makes four. 813 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,480 The Mercenary was meant to be directed by Gillo Pontecorvo. 814 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,680 Here's the story. 815 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,240 Alberto Grimaldi, back then, wanted to produce four movies, 816 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,680 one by Elio Petri, one by Fellini, 817 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,160 one by Pontecorvo, 818 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,960 and the other one should have been by Corbucci, but not this film, 819 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,520 just a film by Corbucci. 820 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:03,600 Basically, 821 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,360 Pontecorvo pulled out of making the movie. 822 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,200 Corbucci, with his usual savoir faire, 823 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:17,720 one day, went to what should have been Pontecorvo's office and said, 824 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,960 "Hey, I'll make this movie!" 825 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,600 So he convinced Grimaldi that he was the right director to make The Mercenary. 826 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,680 Go! 827 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,680 -Thanks. -Come on. Let's run! 828 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,280 The cast should have been made up of 829 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,960 James Coburn, playing the American guy, 830 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,360 and Franco Nero, playing the Mexican. 831 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,000 One day, I went to watch a movie, The Incident, 832 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,000 and I noticed this incredible actor, Tony Musante. 833 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,120 I called Sergio and said, "Go and watch this movie." 834 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,800 "You've found the Mexican, if you ask me." 835 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,760 He watched the movie and said, "You were right." 836 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,600 And he hired Tony Musante. 837 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,000 I must say you're rather fast. 838 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:40,880 Who are you? 839 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,840 The Polish, but for you, I'm called Bad Luck 840 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,520 because if they don't let me pass, I'll kill you. 841 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,000 You're in bad luck too, buddy, 842 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,800 because they don't care whether you kill me or not. 843 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,400 -You know how to count to ten? -Sure, I can. 844 00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,600 I can also add, and occasionally subtract too. 845 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,600 Fine. 846 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,680 Start counting. 847 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,400 While Corbucci specialized in doing 848 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,960 these Westerns, these cowboy pictures, 849 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,320 he never took Leone on, 850 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:22,080 when it came to the whole concept of the showdown and the Morricone score, 851 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,640 except for the first of the Mexican Revolution movies, 852 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,440 except for The Mercenary. 853 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,360 That's his only time 854 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,880 he actually, "Okay now I'm gonna take Sergio with a full-on showdown, 855 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,840 with a full-on Morricone score." 856 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,400 And as far as I'm concerned, along with the Leone ones, 857 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,000 it's the best of all those ever done. 858 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:30,920 CHAPTER SEVEN THE LAST REVOLUTION 859 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,120 Of all the great Western directors, Corbucci created the most pitiless West 860 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,400 that there was. 861 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,000 The most pitiless, the most pessimistic, the most surrealistically grotesque, 862 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,320 the most violent. 863 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,880 Nobody is guaranteed safe passage 864 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:52,680 in a Corbucci film. 865 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,360 The hero could die at the end just as easily as anybody else. 866 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,440 The sheriff's girlfriend. 867 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,120 Chester! No! 868 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,240 A priest. Nobody is guaranteed safe passage. 869 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,160 And actually, their innocence could doom them. 870 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,000 Don't cry. 871 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:33,880 No! 872 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,480 We said no witnesses, remember? 873 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,680 You boys better decide what to do with the kid. 874 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:44,400 So… 875 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:46,440 Wow! 876 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,560 So, if I was gonna try to create that surrealistic, grotesque, 877 01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,400 absolutely pitiless West 878 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:04,720 that Corbucci created for American Mexico, and I was gonna put it in America, 879 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,400 where would that be? 880 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,320 And then I was, "Well, the antebellum South." 881 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:12,760 That's exactly where it'd be. 882 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,360 It would be Mississippi, it would be Louisiana 883 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,640 during the time of slavery. America under slavery would… 884 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,960 is, actually, that grotesque world 885 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,840 that Corbucci drew on. 886 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:31,480 And there, the most surrealistic things, the most garish things actually happened. 887 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,600 What makes them grotesque is their reality. 888 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:39,600 What's everybody staring at? 889 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,400 They've never seen no nigger on a horse before. 890 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,480 Corbucci, ultimately, did Westerns because he's a genre filmmaker, 891 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,160 and that was a popular genre at the time. 892 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,320 The same reason he did peplums. 893 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,400 That was the popular genre at the time. 894 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,360 So Westerns became the popular genre. 895 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,640 Early '70s, when they fizzled out, he abandoned them. 896 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,480 And apparently never looked back. 897 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,880 And then he concentrated on doing comedies. 898 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:17,960 However, 899 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,120 some of those comedies that he did in the '70s, 900 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:23,960 are, to this day, 901 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,000 some of the most successful movies in the history 902 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,120 of the Italian film industry. 903 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,960 When he's doing his Revolution trilogy, 904 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,920 it's that third one that's kind of the transition. 905 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,880 The whole film gets this kind of comical aspect. 906 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,760 He used to enjoy trying new things. 907 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,280 He wasn't a director tied to strict patterns, 908 01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:54,880 so probably with Villaggio, jokingly, they went, 909 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,920 "Let's make a movie with the sober Gassman too, 910 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:05,760 and we'll talk about revolution with a comic twist." 911 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,360 Sergio used to do different things. 912 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:37,920 That was a great quality he had. 913 01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,520 He'd easily go from a movie with Totò to all the other movies. 914 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,800 Something that not all directors could do. 915 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,600 Sergio knew 916 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,800 that he would never win an Oscar. 917 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,400 He said, "I will never win an Oscar." 918 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,480 But he had won the people's Oscar. 919 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,080 And he knew this because he was truly the people's director. 920 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,040 I really don't understand Corbucci's 921 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,200 career once you get past the early '70s. 922 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,200 {\an8}There was a commercial director aspect to Corbucci, 923 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,360 and it's actually one of the things I actually kind of admire. 924 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,840 There's part of me that kind of wish 925 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,080 he was a little bit more artist-in-residence 926 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,440 the way that Leone was. 927 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,440 {\an8}I think it's a damn shame that 928 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,240 {\an8}so few of the Italian directors came to America 929 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,680 to try their hand doing American movies. 930 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,200 I brought it up once about the idea of "What if Sergio had done that?" 931 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,880 And then people, "No, he would never do that." 932 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,720 He would never leave Italy to make a movie in America. 933 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,480 I remember this actor, Tony Musante, who came to Italy to work with me, 934 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,840 and then he also had a great career. 935 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:59,200 He came for a movie, with Palance and Franco Nero, called The Mercenary. 936 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,840 He was one of those engaged actors, like Kazan. 937 01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,640 {\an8}As he was getting off his horse once, I said, "Look…" 938 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,360 {\an8}We had a scene where he was going to exit the shot, running. 939 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,600 {\an8}He was leaving the scene during a bombing, something like that. 940 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,320 {\an8}He had to get off his horse, run, then throw himself to the ground later. 941 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,760 Because of the next scene requirements, 942 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,360 I told him, for the second shot, when he was meant to come back in, 943 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,440 I said, "Come in the scene running, then lay down on the ground 944 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,120 because I need to lower the camera to film a guy shooting over there. 945 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,120 He said, "Why do I need to go down now?" 946 01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,800 I went, "I don't know. Pretend you have a stone in your boot." 947 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,560 "So you need to sit down, take your boot off, let the stone out, 948 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:50,560 and put the boot back on, which is funny while they're all shooting at you." 949 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,200 "I think it could look nice." 950 01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,840 He went, "We'll have to redo the previous scene then." 951 01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:56,800 I went, "Why?" 952 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,840 He said, "Because in the previous one, I left the scene without the stone." 953 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,440 I was like, "What do you mean?" 954 01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,440 He said, "This has to start earlier 955 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,440 because I'd have felt the stone as soon as I put my foot on the ground, 956 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,120 so I would have left the scene differently from now." 957 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,840 I went, "Look, we're doing an Italian Western here." 958 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,360 "I mean, you know…" 959 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:27,280 I said, "If you need to show you have a stone in your boot, just do it now." 960 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,920 "You didn't realize it before, but you're realizing it now." 961 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:37,360 He went, "That's fine, but I need time in my trailer to focus on how to do this." 962 01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:40,040 I said, "Okay, go. I'll do something else." 963 01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,320 Then he came back and said, "I got it." 964 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,000 I said, "I've moved on now. No more stone in the boot." 965 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:51,240 "We'll do something different. The sun went down. The horse was thirsty…" 966 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,440 Where are we going? 967 01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:08,880 Inside the cannons! 968 01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:13,360 Jump out, quick! 969 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,920 There's nothing wrong with the label 970 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,400 "second-best Spaghetti Western director after Leone," all right. 971 01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:50,040 I don't believe Ford is the greatest of American Western directors, 972 01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,600 but if you take that thought, all right, 973 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,080 if you take that place, then who's the second? 974 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,680 Is it Peckinpah? Is it Hawks? 975 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,840 Is it Raoul Walsh? Is it Delmer Daves? 976 01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,080 Who is it? Who's number two? All right? That's a dogfight. 977 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,720 It's not a dogfight in Italy. 978 01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,720 Number two is fucking Corbucci. 979 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:45,120 {\an8}TO NORI CORBUCCI 980 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,240 There's an interesting thing about Django solely… 981 01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,880 I haven't talked that much about Django, so I might talk a bit about it, okay? 982 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,280 There's an interesting aspect to the movie. 983 01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:13,000 Who is Mercedes? 984 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,360 And it's never ever answered 985 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,320 who Mercedes is. 986 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,240 All right, and what I mean by that is Django has come to this town. 987 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,400 It seems like he's coming there 988 01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,160 for a vengeance. 989 01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:38,440 You see him visiting a grave of a woman named Mercedes. 990 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,640 Who this woman is, is not clear. 991 01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:50,480 The only thing we know about Django is he was probably in the Union Army 992 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,040 or the Union Cavalry, because of his cavalry pants. 993 01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,520 So he was in the war, and he was definitely on the side of the North. 994 01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,240 He's going to the South. 995 01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:10,720 And the Colonel's character, he's definitely a figure from the South. 996 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,320 He's definitely a figure from the Confederacy, 997 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,000 and he has this Ku Klux Klan, 998 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:22,440 like, hooded army, all right, that are, you know… 999 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:29,280 it would appear that they've wiped out all the Black folks in the area, 1000 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,840 and now they're working on their way through the Mexicans. 1001 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:36,040 It would appear there were Black folks in this area, and they were all murdered, 1002 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:37,720 and now it's the Mexican's turn. 1003 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,000 Who is Mercedes? 1004 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,120 Is Mercedes Django's wife? 1005 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,880 Well, that's an interesting story. 1006 01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,000 He has a wife. He leaves her in this village, a Southern village, 1007 01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,880 and goes off to fight for the North? 1008 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,920 He comes back, and she's dead, but it doesn't seem to suggest 1009 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,520 that he's just come back the minute the war's over. 1010 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,520 He's done a bunch of stuff, and now he's there. 1011 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,080 So that's his wife. 1012 01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,000 That doesn't seem likely. 1013 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,440 It doesn't seem likely he would have a wife. 1014 01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,960 It doesn't seem likely if he had a wife, he would abandon her. 1015 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,920 I've come up with a version of it that I think is the case. 1016 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,160 I think… 1017 01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,640 he never knew Mercedes. 1018 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,600 I think he was in the war. 1019 01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:42,840 And I think Mercedes… 1020 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,760 is the wife of somebody he served with. 1021 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:54,920 Mercedes was the wife of somebody in the Union Army that he served with, 1022 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:57,440 that he died, 1023 01:15:58,240 --> 01:15:59,160 and he died 1024 01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,200 in Django's arms or around Django. 1025 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,240 Before he died, he gave him something to give to his wife. 1026 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,800 "And when the war's over, when you get around to it, 1027 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,080 go down to this village and find my wife." 1028 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,400 And I'd like to think, since I'm writing this all on my own, 1029 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,040 that it was a Black soldier. 1030 01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:28,400 And so, finally, 1031 01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,960 he goes to this village to track down 1032 01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,480 the wife of the Black soldier that he knew, 1033 01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,040 in the town that she was living in, to find her murdered. 1034 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,440 And he finds the whole history 1035 01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,440 of how this Ku Klux Klan-like gang 1036 01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,520 has genocided the Black folks in the area, 1037 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,000 and are now working their way through the Mexicans. 1038 01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,720 And then revenge is perpetrated 1039 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,680 against the leader of this Klan Army 1040 01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,720 by an actor whose last name is Nero, 1041 01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,840 which is Italian for "black." 1042 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,240 That's my version of it. 1043 01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:15,360 {\an8}Subtitle translation by: Angelica Lacetera