1 00:00:02,669 --> 00:00:05,422 -Ready to start rolling? -All right. 2 00:00:05,506 --> 00:00:06,507 All right. 3 00:00:07,841 --> 00:00:11,386 Before this job, I was a DEI officer 4 00:00:11,470 --> 00:00:13,263 which is Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, of course. 5 00:00:13,347 --> 00:00:15,641 And it was a very stressful job. 6 00:00:15,724 --> 00:00:17,893 What did you do? Like, what did it-- What was your purview? 7 00:00:17,976 --> 00:00:19,394 Preparing presentations, 8 00:00:19,478 --> 00:00:21,939 making sure people knew what the definition of racism was. 9 00:00:22,022 --> 00:00:25,275 Like, just so that everyone knew what they were accountable for. 10 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:27,110 And that alone was hell. 11 00:00:27,194 --> 00:00:29,071 Of course. Because people wanted to be like, 12 00:00:29,154 --> 00:00:31,907 "Why are you making me feel bad? I'm trying." 13 00:00:31,990 --> 00:00:34,117 And I'm like, "I'm literally defining a word." 14 00:00:34,201 --> 00:00:36,036 I'm Webster today. 15 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:37,287 But it was such a stressful job. 16 00:00:37,371 --> 00:00:39,831 So I think from now on I'm just gonna be Black for free. 17 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:44,586 Wait a second. That's what got us in this mess. 18 00:00:44,670 --> 00:00:45,546 Let's not-- 19 00:00:45,629 --> 00:00:47,923 Let's not be Black for free. 20 00:01:30,007 --> 00:01:31,008 Boom. 21 00:01:32,467 --> 00:01:33,468 Boom. 22 00:01:36,096 --> 00:01:37,347 Boom. 23 00:01:37,431 --> 00:01:38,682 Hey! 24 00:01:42,352 --> 00:01:44,396 What's happening? Thank you so much for joining us. 25 00:01:44,479 --> 00:01:47,232 My name is Jon Stewart. Welcome to our television show. 26 00:01:47,316 --> 00:01:50,360 For those of you who don't know, a television show is like a-- 27 00:01:50,444 --> 00:01:52,821 It's like a podcast that moves. 28 00:01:54,615 --> 00:01:55,866 You'll get used to it. 29 00:01:58,410 --> 00:02:00,370 Trying to be lighthearted, trying to bring it in here 30 00:02:00,454 --> 00:02:02,623 because we've got some things to talk about this evening. 31 00:02:03,832 --> 00:02:05,542 Oh, the show we've prepared. 32 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:10,214 As you may know, 33 00:02:11,632 --> 00:02:14,468 this country has had some issues with race. 34 00:02:16,345 --> 00:02:17,346 Okay. 35 00:02:19,431 --> 00:02:21,600 Sphincters are tightening already. 36 00:02:24,645 --> 00:02:28,482 We've had some issues with race. There was that incident… 37 00:02:29,608 --> 00:02:31,527 in 1619, and then… 38 00:02:32,611 --> 00:02:34,404 had a few hiccups since then, 39 00:02:34,488 --> 00:02:36,573 but mostly it's been fine. 40 00:02:37,616 --> 00:02:39,701 We've all been chilling. It's been chill. 41 00:02:41,328 --> 00:02:43,121 Until a couple years ago, 42 00:02:43,205 --> 00:02:47,960 another rare bad thing happened to Black people in the summer of 2020. 43 00:02:48,043 --> 00:02:50,629 George Floyd's death is sparking a national reckoning. 44 00:02:50,712 --> 00:02:55,342 The death of George Floyd. It sparks this global movement, this racial reckoning. 45 00:02:55,425 --> 00:02:58,136 We here in America certainly had our own racial reckoning 46 00:02:58,220 --> 00:02:59,930 in the wake of George Floyd's death. 47 00:03:00,013 --> 00:03:02,850 A growing number of American companies facing a racial reckoning. 48 00:03:02,933 --> 00:03:04,893 As America confronts a racial reckoning. 49 00:03:04,977 --> 00:03:06,144 A racial reckoning. 50 00:03:06,228 --> 00:03:09,273 It also comes at a time of racial reckoning for the country. 51 00:03:12,776 --> 00:03:16,405 So you guys are finally ready to talk about racial repar-- 52 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:19,116 reckoning. 53 00:03:21,493 --> 00:03:23,787 We don't-- We don't wanna-- 54 00:03:25,289 --> 00:03:26,915 We don't wanna right the wrongs. 55 00:03:26,999 --> 00:03:29,209 We just reckon we're gonna think about it for a bit. 56 00:03:31,545 --> 00:03:32,671 Well, not to worry. 57 00:03:33,589 --> 00:03:37,718 This egregious midday murder will not be in vain. 58 00:03:37,801 --> 00:03:43,348 Let the work of righting centuries of oppression begin. 59 00:03:43,432 --> 00:03:45,809 Aunt Jemima is being retired. 60 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,784 By any means necessary. 61 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:06,914 Cream of Wheat is removing the Black chef from its packaging. 62 00:04:06,997 --> 00:04:08,498 Chris Harrison, host of The Bachelor, 63 00:04:08,582 --> 00:04:10,542 has announced he is stepping away. 64 00:04:10,626 --> 00:04:14,004 Every NFL stadium, you're gonna see phrases like "end racism." 65 00:04:14,087 --> 00:04:17,507 Tonight we know the Dixie Chicks are dropping the "Dixie." 66 00:04:17,591 --> 00:04:19,718 The Village of Hempstead renamed Main Street 67 00:04:19,801 --> 00:04:21,595 "Black Lives Matter Way." 68 00:04:21,678 --> 00:04:24,890 We will now kneel for our moment of silence. 69 00:04:33,357 --> 00:04:36,401 Worst production of Lion King ever. 70 00:04:43,242 --> 00:04:48,997 But more than kente cloth calisthenics and some long overdue brand readjustments, 71 00:04:49,081 --> 00:04:53,669 there came another even more meaningful cultural shift. 72 00:04:53,752 --> 00:04:56,171 I think white people need to listen. 73 00:04:56,255 --> 00:04:58,549 White people should listen to African Americans. 74 00:04:58,632 --> 00:05:00,259 White people, we need to listen. 75 00:05:00,342 --> 00:05:02,719 We are listening. I am listening. 76 00:05:02,803 --> 00:05:06,139 Now, it's time for us to have ears to hear. 77 00:05:12,396 --> 00:05:15,524 Good. 'Cause I've been using mine for fucking. 78 00:05:17,818 --> 00:05:19,862 Two-- Two at a time. 79 00:05:23,031 --> 00:05:26,201 I likes my ear fucking like I like my Pink Floyd albums-- 80 00:05:26,285 --> 00:05:27,578 in stereo. 81 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,669 Yeah. Yeah, we changed it from rehearsal 82 00:05:37,379 --> 00:05:40,215 for the crew that got a bit of a tickle out of that one. 83 00:05:41,633 --> 00:05:46,597 Yes. Apparently this racial issue that so divides America 84 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,599 could have just been solved 85 00:05:48,682 --> 00:05:51,018 if only Black people would have said something. 86 00:05:53,312 --> 00:05:54,313 So… 87 00:05:55,063 --> 00:05:58,233 Okay, white people. Ears to hear. 88 00:05:58,317 --> 00:06:02,821 This is the harsh reality for Black people in America today, 89 00:06:03,989 --> 00:06:07,618 that we are expected to participate in democracy 90 00:06:08,660 --> 00:06:11,997 while receiving conditional citizenship in return. 91 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,751 When a zip code determines what kind of school that you go to. 92 00:06:15,834 --> 00:06:18,921 When a zip code determines what kind of food you can eat. 93 00:06:19,004 --> 00:06:21,256 These are the vestiges of enslavement. 94 00:06:21,340 --> 00:06:23,884 So when they say, "Why do you burn down the community?" 95 00:06:23,967 --> 00:06:26,178 "Why do you burn down your own neighborhood?" 96 00:06:26,261 --> 00:06:29,515 It's not ours. We don't own anything. 97 00:06:29,598 --> 00:06:31,433 It's amazing to me 98 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:37,523 why we keep loving this country, and this country does not love us back. 99 00:06:38,565 --> 00:06:41,860 I mean, this stuff is hard to hear. 100 00:06:41,944 --> 00:06:47,115 But these are tough conversations, and I would probably have more hope 101 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:51,411 in its impact on our culture if those same exact sentiments 102 00:06:51,495 --> 00:06:54,206 hadn't already been conveyed to white people 103 00:06:54,998 --> 00:06:58,460 over and over and over. 104 00:06:58,544 --> 00:07:02,256 Like one year earlier on The Breakfast Club. 105 00:07:02,339 --> 00:07:05,968 They never, never, never addressed the primary problems of Black folk. 106 00:07:06,051 --> 00:07:08,762 Our primary problem was not social integration or civil rights. 107 00:07:08,846 --> 00:07:11,098 The primary problems you never corrected. 108 00:07:11,181 --> 00:07:13,475 The legacies and burdens of slavery. 109 00:07:13,559 --> 00:07:18,146 Or by Viola Davis at an award show in 2015. 110 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:23,026 The only thing that separates women of color from anyone else 111 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:24,361 is opportunity. 112 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:26,363 Or in the '90s, 113 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:32,744 when Sister Souljah explained this directly to Bill Clinton and Larry King. 114 00:07:32,828 --> 00:07:35,998 The thing that kills African people in America 115 00:07:36,081 --> 00:07:39,918 is not what white people say, but what they do, 116 00:07:40,002 --> 00:07:42,045 their policies, their actions. 117 00:07:42,129 --> 00:07:47,801 See, white people are pretending that this problem is new 118 00:07:47,885 --> 00:07:50,345 and we're just hearing about it now, 119 00:07:50,429 --> 00:07:55,434 because we love to discover stuff that's already existed. 120 00:08:02,065 --> 00:08:03,609 It's kind of our thing. 121 00:08:05,611 --> 00:08:07,279 America! 122 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:11,200 Where did you come from? 123 00:08:13,994 --> 00:08:14,995 First. 124 00:08:19,041 --> 00:08:22,961 As a matter of fact, this shit has been said many times 125 00:08:23,045 --> 00:08:24,796 just by Chris Rock. 126 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,051 Shit, there ain't a white man in this room that would change places with me. 127 00:08:29,134 --> 00:08:30,427 And I'm rich. 128 00:08:30,511 --> 00:08:33,054 You had a 400-year head start, motherfucker. 129 00:08:33,931 --> 00:08:36,265 See, the Black man gotta fly 130 00:08:36,350 --> 00:08:39,311 to get something that the white man can walk to. 131 00:08:39,394 --> 00:08:42,898 A Black C student can't even be the manager of Burger King. 132 00:08:42,981 --> 00:08:45,901 Meanwhile, a white C student just happens to be 133 00:08:45,984 --> 00:08:48,737 the president of the United States of America. 134 00:08:51,615 --> 00:08:53,575 He's a very good comedian. 135 00:08:54,535 --> 00:08:55,744 But you know what? 136 00:08:55,827 --> 00:08:58,914 Maybe you don't want to hear about our racial divide 137 00:08:58,997 --> 00:09:00,415 and have it be funny. 138 00:09:00,499 --> 00:09:06,713 Would you rather Black people invent an entire genre of music 139 00:09:06,797 --> 00:09:09,675 just to explain it to us? 140 00:09:09,758 --> 00:09:11,260 Fathers of this country Never cared for me 141 00:09:11,343 --> 00:09:13,387 They kept my ancestors Shackled up in slavery 142 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:15,681 And Uncle Sam never did A damn thing for me 143 00:09:15,764 --> 00:09:17,975 Except lie about facts In my history 144 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:19,226 But you know what? 145 00:09:19,309 --> 00:09:25,482 It's wonderful that white people are finally ready to sit back and listen. 146 00:09:25,566 --> 00:09:27,317 But damn. 147 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,614 The Black people speaking out now are just sampling the classics. 148 00:09:32,698 --> 00:09:37,703 Racism is so deeply embedded into the fabric of the society. 149 00:09:37,786 --> 00:09:38,996 Thank you, Angela. 150 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:43,625 James Baldwin went all the way to England to explain it, 151 00:09:43,709 --> 00:09:46,753 because he wanted to do it at white people headquarters. 152 00:09:46,837 --> 00:09:49,214 It comes as a great shock to discover 153 00:09:49,298 --> 00:09:52,176 that the country which is your birthplace 154 00:09:52,259 --> 00:09:55,804 and to which you owe your life and your identity 155 00:09:55,888 --> 00:10:01,101 has not, in its whole system of reality, evolved any place for you. 156 00:10:01,185 --> 00:10:04,438 For fuck's sake, Frederick Douglass told white people, 157 00:10:04,521 --> 00:10:07,983 "The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence 158 00:10:08,066 --> 00:10:12,446 bequeathed by your fathers is shared by you, not by me." 159 00:10:12,529 --> 00:10:15,866 He said that in 1852. 160 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:22,623 And now, 170 years later, suddenly we're like, 161 00:10:23,832 --> 00:10:27,753 "Hey… you seem upset." 162 00:10:35,427 --> 00:10:37,179 "We're still cool though, right? 163 00:10:38,347 --> 00:10:39,640 Did we do something?" 164 00:10:40,557 --> 00:10:45,521 Black people have given us step-by-step instructions through the centuries. 165 00:10:45,604 --> 00:10:47,523 They didn't even do that with the electric slide, 166 00:10:47,606 --> 00:10:48,649 which, by the way, 167 00:10:48,732 --> 00:10:51,318 three steps, and then you bend. I don't want to get into it. 168 00:10:52,986 --> 00:10:54,613 And yet, even after all that, 169 00:10:54,696 --> 00:10:57,699 the wealth gap, worse now. 170 00:10:57,783 --> 00:11:00,619 Homeownership, worse now. 171 00:11:01,245 --> 00:11:03,705 Segregation, worse now. 172 00:11:03,789 --> 00:11:07,292 On average, a white high school graduate 173 00:11:07,376 --> 00:11:11,338 is wealthier than a Black college graduate. 174 00:11:11,421 --> 00:11:13,090 Forget about them telling you. 175 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:16,844 Even the stark facts don't seem to matter. 176 00:11:16,927 --> 00:11:21,890 Black Americans should understand that if they study and work hard, 177 00:11:21,974 --> 00:11:24,309 they will likely succeed in this country. 178 00:11:24,977 --> 00:11:29,189 Just not as much as white people who don't study as hard. 179 00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:35,487 We have been told over and over and over again by Black people 180 00:11:35,571 --> 00:11:39,783 that this country has never resolved the original sins of slavery and segregation. 181 00:11:40,617 --> 00:11:42,953 But the response to that is always… 182 00:11:43,036 --> 00:11:46,748 If Barack Obama can make it as a single-- as the son of a single white mom, 183 00:11:46,832 --> 00:11:48,709 then, so can everybody else. 184 00:11:48,792 --> 00:11:51,628 Oprah Winfrey is perhaps the best example of a talented person 185 00:11:51,712 --> 00:11:53,297 who made it on her own in America. 186 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:56,758 LeBron James is a great American success story. 187 00:11:57,551 --> 00:12:01,555 How can America be racist if Cleveland has a championship? 188 00:12:06,185 --> 00:12:08,562 It doesn't seem to matter what Black people tell us 189 00:12:08,645 --> 00:12:10,647 or how many times they say it. 190 00:12:10,731 --> 00:12:12,983 It lands on deaf ears. 191 00:12:13,066 --> 00:12:17,487 Because a large swath of white America believes that Black Americans 192 00:12:17,571 --> 00:12:20,657 are solely responsible for their community's struggle. 193 00:12:21,366 --> 00:12:26,455 And the bias is so pervasive, we don't even notice it. 194 00:12:26,538 --> 00:12:29,583 Crack. Who's responsible? 195 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:31,210 Let me tell you straight out. 196 00:12:31,710 --> 00:12:33,212 Everyone who uses drugs. 197 00:12:36,715 --> 00:12:42,304 And perchance… who would this everyone be? 198 00:12:42,387 --> 00:12:45,599 Crack has become the new franchise, a chemical McDonald's. 199 00:12:45,682 --> 00:12:48,727 You want to get high, you see the guys in the gangs 200 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:50,229 in the red and blue outfits. 201 00:12:50,312 --> 00:12:52,231 The front line in the war on crack. 202 00:12:52,314 --> 00:12:55,609 There are tens of thousands more crack babies on the way. 203 00:12:55,692 --> 00:12:56,735 Crack babies… 204 00:12:56,818 --> 00:12:59,863 …are gonna overwhelm every social service delivery system. 205 00:12:59,947 --> 00:13:02,115 Before, we could afford to ignore the hopelessness 206 00:13:02,199 --> 00:13:03,408 represented by gangs. 207 00:13:03,492 --> 00:13:08,163 But now we're afraid it will affect our schools, our kids, our streets. 208 00:13:08,247 --> 00:13:13,585 It's as innocent-looking as candy, but it's turning our cities into battle zones. 209 00:13:14,086 --> 00:13:15,838 And it's murdering our children. 210 00:13:15,921 --> 00:13:17,923 What kind of fucking candy do you eat? 211 00:13:25,264 --> 00:13:30,310 Now, this is not to downplay, at all, the effects of the crack epidemic. 212 00:13:31,061 --> 00:13:36,650 But we are currently in the midst of an equally corrosive opioid epidemic. 213 00:13:37,609 --> 00:13:40,737 Although that affects a slightly different "everyone." 214 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:43,282 And how is that portrayed? 215 00:13:43,365 --> 00:13:45,033 America's addiction to opioids 216 00:13:45,117 --> 00:13:46,994 is playing out right down the street. 217 00:13:47,077 --> 00:13:49,788 Every type of person you can imagine. 218 00:13:49,872 --> 00:13:51,415 Successful people. 219 00:13:51,498 --> 00:13:52,624 Funny people. 220 00:13:52,708 --> 00:13:54,835 Moms, dads, grandparents. 221 00:13:54,918 --> 00:13:56,295 Injured athletes. 222 00:13:56,378 --> 00:13:57,754 Cancer patients. 223 00:13:57,838 --> 00:13:59,047 War veterans. 224 00:13:59,131 --> 00:14:03,468 Chances are greater than ever you know someone directly affected. 225 00:14:03,552 --> 00:14:06,763 Why are opioids so hard to quit? 226 00:14:06,847 --> 00:14:07,931 Well, that's fucking easy. 227 00:14:08,015 --> 00:14:10,934 It links opioid receptors and inhibits an enzyme that-- 228 00:14:11,018 --> 00:14:13,437 I'm not going to get into it right now. 229 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,647 But the point is, it's on purpose. 230 00:14:15,731 --> 00:14:19,484 And the people who made it that way only had to pay a fine. 231 00:14:20,027 --> 00:14:21,612 But that's drugs. 232 00:14:21,695 --> 00:14:25,157 I'm sure poverty doesn't have the same empathy gap. 233 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,493 Inner city is a polite name for ghetto, as in Black ghetto. 234 00:14:34,917 --> 00:14:38,253 And that's the award-winning PBS journalist. 235 00:14:39,296 --> 00:14:43,967 So, just out of curiosity, why is the Black ghetto poor? 236 00:14:44,051 --> 00:14:48,639 Intelligent Americans know it is the collapse of the traditional family 237 00:14:48,722 --> 00:14:51,475 that is wreaking havoc in the African-American community. 238 00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:56,480 72% of Black babies are born to single mothers. 239 00:14:56,563 --> 00:14:59,733 If they would start talking about the responsibilities of fatherhood. 240 00:14:59,816 --> 00:15:03,278 Dependency on welfare was breaking up Black families. 241 00:15:03,362 --> 00:15:05,280 The breakdown of the Black family 242 00:15:05,364 --> 00:15:09,243 and an extraordinarily dysfunctional, toxic inner city culture. 243 00:15:09,826 --> 00:15:12,246 Inner city? Excuse me. 244 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:15,958 The politically correct phrase is "Black ghetto." 245 00:15:18,168 --> 00:15:19,503 Good day. 246 00:15:22,422 --> 00:15:27,052 By the way, how do we portray poverty 247 00:15:27,135 --> 00:15:29,513 in the… outer city? 248 00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:32,599 Ruggedly beautiful and deeply poor Appalachia 249 00:15:32,683 --> 00:15:33,976 for decades has struggled. 250 00:15:34,059 --> 00:15:36,603 People here have struggled more and more 251 00:15:36,687 --> 00:15:40,023 as their factories have shuttered and their coal mines have closed. 252 00:15:40,107 --> 00:15:44,194 It's been a slow, painful drip of job losses for decades. 253 00:15:44,278 --> 00:15:46,989 It used to be with a high school degree, you could get a job 254 00:15:47,072 --> 00:15:49,032 that actually could provide for your family. 255 00:15:49,116 --> 00:15:49,992 Yeah. 256 00:15:50,075 --> 00:15:55,372 And the disappearance of those may lead people to feel a lot more stressed. 257 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:59,877 So that low self worth, along with that hopelessness feeling, 258 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,963 we start seeing tremendous depression. 259 00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:04,756 So how do you relieve depression? 260 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,343 You can relieve it with drug use, alcohol use. 261 00:16:08,427 --> 00:16:13,515 White people are poor and do drugs because something has been done to them. 262 00:16:14,308 --> 00:16:16,059 Black people are poor and do drugs 263 00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:19,104 'cause they won't just get up and do something. 264 00:16:20,147 --> 00:16:24,109 Everything that happens is viewed through that filter. 265 00:16:24,193 --> 00:16:26,278 What started as peaceful protest 266 00:16:26,361 --> 00:16:28,322 devolving into something beyond that. 267 00:16:28,405 --> 00:16:31,283 An explosion of violence today. 268 00:16:31,366 --> 00:16:35,662 This is not what we want people to see of the city of Philadelphia. 269 00:16:35,746 --> 00:16:37,289 Well, it makes perfect sense. 270 00:16:37,372 --> 00:16:41,293 How would you like people to see the city of Philadelphia? 271 00:16:41,376 --> 00:16:44,713 The Eagles victory touched off a wild celebration in Philadelphia. 272 00:16:44,796 --> 00:16:46,632 The celebration quickly got rowdy. 273 00:16:46,715 --> 00:16:48,800 Fans pulled down traffic lights. 274 00:16:48,884 --> 00:16:52,763 The awning in front of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel collapsed. 275 00:16:52,846 --> 00:16:55,516 Started fires and tipped over cars. 276 00:16:56,433 --> 00:16:58,685 Looks like everybody had a good time there last night. 277 00:17:05,358 --> 00:17:06,443 And thus… 278 00:17:07,778 --> 00:17:09,613 the problem with white people. 279 00:17:11,406 --> 00:17:13,282 Hold on. I'm just gonna… 280 00:17:14,992 --> 00:17:16,118 I'm just-- 281 00:17:17,371 --> 00:17:22,291 I'm just gonna stop for a second and pose so you can get your memes out. 282 00:17:22,376 --> 00:17:23,919 Okay, there we go. 283 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,922 Get a good picture for your clickbaits. 284 00:17:28,924 --> 00:17:32,928 For however sincerely we want to reckon and listen, 285 00:17:33,554 --> 00:17:36,807 the truth is, America has always prioritized 286 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:39,810 white comfort over Black survival. 287 00:17:39,893 --> 00:17:44,898 Black people have had to fight so hard for equality 288 00:17:44,982 --> 00:17:48,735 that they've been irreparably set back in the pursuit of equity. 289 00:17:49,486 --> 00:17:54,825 And any real attempt to repar-- repar-- repair 290 00:17:55,826 --> 00:17:58,829 a ton of… that damage-- 291 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:01,331 Reparation. 292 00:18:03,250 --> 00:18:06,962 …sets off white people's "They're coming for our shit" alarm. 293 00:18:07,754 --> 00:18:12,801 Which we would know ourselves had we actually been listening. 294 00:18:12,885 --> 00:18:15,179 My feeling is white people 295 00:18:15,846 --> 00:18:20,225 have a very, very serious problem. 296 00:18:20,309 --> 00:18:24,605 And they should start thinking about what they can do about it. 297 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:26,565 Take me out of it. 298 00:18:27,107 --> 00:18:28,108 Understood. 299 00:18:28,734 --> 00:18:29,860 Take a look at this. 300 00:18:31,236 --> 00:18:35,616 Hey, white people, it's me, Leslie Jones, America's motherfucking sweetheart, 301 00:18:35,699 --> 00:18:38,660 here to illuminate something for all y'all. 302 00:18:38,744 --> 00:18:41,580 Racism is a spectrum. 303 00:18:41,663 --> 00:18:45,709 And it can go from "racism" to "racism." 304 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:48,378 With many shades and flavors in between. 305 00:18:48,462 --> 00:18:51,215 But what degree of racist are you? 306 00:18:53,967 --> 00:18:55,511 We have the extreme racists. 307 00:18:55,594 --> 00:18:59,223 Skinheads, KKK, most of-- 308 00:18:59,306 --> 00:19:00,516 All of Boston. 309 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:02,518 Boom! Right here. 310 00:19:02,601 --> 00:19:04,811 Now, right in the middle. 311 00:19:04,895 --> 00:19:07,439 Are you the person who says "I have a Black friend"? 312 00:19:07,523 --> 00:19:11,026 Do you consider me that Black friend? 313 00:19:11,109 --> 00:19:12,653 Lynyrd Skynyrd fans. 314 00:19:12,736 --> 00:19:14,571 "Free Bird," is that by Lynyrd Skynyrd? 315 00:19:14,655 --> 00:19:18,325 I love "Free Bird." I didn't know that they was racist until later on in my life. 316 00:19:18,408 --> 00:19:19,660 Right here. 317 00:19:19,743 --> 00:19:24,289 The ladies who think Meghan McCain got bullied on The View. 318 00:19:24,373 --> 00:19:26,375 That bitch didn't get bullied. She ain't get bullied. 319 00:19:26,458 --> 00:19:29,670 Do you secretly wish Bring It On ended in a tie? 320 00:19:29,753 --> 00:19:31,255 So you saying the bitches from Compton 321 00:19:31,338 --> 00:19:34,466 really, really was gonna tie with you, bitch? No. 322 00:19:34,550 --> 00:19:35,759 This is where you are. 323 00:19:35,843 --> 00:19:39,179 And at the very end of the spectrum we have the unconscious bias. 324 00:19:39,263 --> 00:19:40,806 A catch-all for the rest of y'all. 325 00:19:40,889 --> 00:19:44,226 Did you assume Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima were a couple? 326 00:19:44,309 --> 00:19:46,854 You racist and dumb as hell. 327 00:19:46,937 --> 00:19:49,273 Do you think all nipples are pink? 328 00:19:49,356 --> 00:19:52,818 Even while you looking at my black-ass face! 329 00:19:52,901 --> 00:19:55,153 That's racism sneaking in without you knowing it. 330 00:19:55,237 --> 00:19:56,738 Tricky little bitch. 331 00:19:57,322 --> 00:19:59,283 Okay, white people, I'm done teaching. 332 00:19:59,366 --> 00:20:01,535 If you didn't see yourself on the spectrum, 333 00:20:01,618 --> 00:20:03,120 that's the category you in. 334 00:20:03,203 --> 00:20:05,873 Giving yourself the Best White Person Award. 335 00:20:05,956 --> 00:20:08,000 Congratu-fucking-lations. 336 00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:19,386 One thing's that's fucking mind-blowing to me is that one in five white people 337 00:20:19,469 --> 00:20:23,015 believe that they're discriminated against more than Black people. 338 00:20:23,098 --> 00:20:25,517 -One in five. -That doesn't even hold true 339 00:20:25,601 --> 00:20:28,770 in the category of best rap album at the Grammys. 340 00:20:31,273 --> 00:20:33,275 -Was that one in five? -One in five. 341 00:20:33,358 --> 00:20:35,861 So, was it Ross, Rachel, Chandler, 342 00:20:35,944 --> 00:20:38,655 Phoebe? 343 00:20:38,739 --> 00:20:41,575 It wasn't my baby Monica. Please, not Monica. 344 00:20:44,828 --> 00:20:45,829 Hey. 345 00:20:46,455 --> 00:20:47,456 We're back. 346 00:20:47,539 --> 00:20:51,543 Welcome back. Now, obviously-- Thank you very much for joining us again. 347 00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:56,924 Obviously, usually in an episode about race, focusing on Black issues, 348 00:20:57,007 --> 00:21:00,302 you'd want to connect with a Cornel West, a Ta-Nehisi Coates, 349 00:21:00,385 --> 00:21:02,763 a Dave Matthews, experts in the field. 350 00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:06,600 But I'm gonna take Toni Morrison's advice on this. 351 00:21:06,683 --> 00:21:10,854 It's time for white people to talk and figure some things out. 352 00:21:10,938 --> 00:21:13,857 So tonight I'm speaking to, I mean, 353 00:21:14,358 --> 00:21:16,652 honestly, as white a panel as I think I could find. 354 00:21:17,361 --> 00:21:19,821 I have an Andrew, a Lisa and a Chip. 355 00:21:23,033 --> 00:21:27,871 This panel is bone. It is alabaster. 356 00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:30,207 To my left is Chip Gallagher. 357 00:21:30,290 --> 00:21:32,918 He's a professor of Sociology at La Salle University. 358 00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:35,087 He researches social inequality and race. 359 00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:39,174 Lisa Bond, the resident white woman for Race2Dinner, 360 00:21:39,258 --> 00:21:41,802 a group that is trying to have better conversations about race in America. 361 00:21:41,885 --> 00:21:45,097 And joining remotely, longtime author and columnist Andrew Sullivan, 362 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:46,765 editor of The Weekly Dish. 363 00:21:46,849 --> 00:21:48,851 Welcome, everybody. Thanks so much for joining us. 364 00:21:49,852 --> 00:21:51,103 I want to know what it is-- 365 00:21:52,396 --> 00:21:55,816 Here's what I think holds back our race conversation in America. 366 00:21:56,817 --> 00:21:58,443 I think at its core, 367 00:21:59,194 --> 00:22:03,448 I think white people put blame on Black people 368 00:22:03,532 --> 00:22:05,617 for the position that they are in 369 00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:11,290 and then believe that white people will lose something 370 00:22:12,374 --> 00:22:15,127 in order for Black people to gain it. 371 00:22:15,752 --> 00:22:21,550 And that's what creates that resentment and difficulty to overcome. 372 00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:24,469 And I'll start with Chip because… 373 00:22:25,345 --> 00:22:26,638 Chip. 374 00:22:27,764 --> 00:22:29,099 It's Charles. Yeah. 375 00:22:29,183 --> 00:22:31,476 -That doesn't help. -No, it doesn't help. Yeah, yeah. 376 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,561 Okay. 377 00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:36,940 A significant amount of white people in the United States of America 378 00:22:37,024 --> 00:22:39,818 see race relations through a color-blind lens. 379 00:22:39,902 --> 00:22:42,529 And I don't mean that whites don't see race. 380 00:22:42,613 --> 00:22:44,198 They see someone that's Black or Asian. 381 00:22:44,698 --> 00:22:48,243 But they don't, in any way, attach any meaning to the color 382 00:22:48,327 --> 00:22:49,661 in affecting life chances. 383 00:22:50,162 --> 00:22:54,291 And what that fundamentally means is that race doesn't matter in getting ahead. 384 00:22:54,374 --> 00:22:55,417 It just doesn't matter. 385 00:22:55,501 --> 00:22:58,420 They believe that we are in a race-neutral environment. 386 00:22:58,504 --> 00:23:01,089 That the playing field has been leveled. 387 00:23:01,173 --> 00:23:04,676 -And if you make it or you don't… -It's a meritocracy. 388 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,471 …it's a meritocracy, and it's a narrative, also, that does a lot of things. 389 00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:10,015 It makes white privilege invisible. 390 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,393 And it also makes whites feel that whatever they did, 391 00:23:13,477 --> 00:23:14,603 whatever successes they had, 392 00:23:14,686 --> 00:23:18,232 had nothing to do with what happened 50, 100, 200 years ago. 393 00:23:18,315 --> 00:23:20,108 You have to look at it as… 394 00:23:21,652 --> 00:23:22,653 It is difficult. 395 00:23:22,736 --> 00:23:26,532 I can see how people would get defensive about, "I didn't have sla-- 396 00:23:26,615 --> 00:23:28,450 I have not actively participated. 397 00:23:28,534 --> 00:23:32,246 I am a part of a system that was built through racism. 398 00:23:32,329 --> 00:23:37,459 But my life is hard and I work hard and I don't get ahead. 399 00:23:37,543 --> 00:23:40,671 So how does privilege factor into it to me?" 400 00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:43,590 Now, Lisa, you try and get these conversations going. 401 00:23:44,216 --> 00:23:51,014 Where I come from, is that this system of white supremacy 402 00:23:51,098 --> 00:23:56,687 has done such a good job of teaching us, as white people, that racism is bad. 403 00:23:56,770 --> 00:24:00,732 And when we talk about racism, we're talking about your character flaw. 404 00:24:00,816 --> 00:24:03,569 If we say you're racist, it's a character flaw. 405 00:24:03,652 --> 00:24:05,571 I'm bad, and I know I'm not bad. 406 00:24:05,654 --> 00:24:07,364 I'm-- I think I'm a good person. 407 00:24:07,447 --> 00:24:11,910 I think I'm a nice person, and I know that I am racist. 408 00:24:11,994 --> 00:24:15,205 And I know that I am racist because I, every single day, 409 00:24:15,747 --> 00:24:18,959 uphold the systems and the structures of racism. 410 00:24:19,585 --> 00:24:23,672 And if we don't start having a conversation about that, 411 00:24:23,755 --> 00:24:27,009 and about the ways that we are complicit every day, daily-- 412 00:24:27,092 --> 00:24:31,513 If we don't talk about it, then we are never going to see movement. 413 00:24:31,597 --> 00:24:32,973 -Ever. -Andrew, do you think 414 00:24:33,056 --> 00:24:37,936 because it always gets framed on that moral level, right? 415 00:24:38,020 --> 00:24:41,148 Does the moral qualifying of it 416 00:24:41,231 --> 00:24:44,067 make resentment the natural outcome of that? 417 00:24:44,776 --> 00:24:47,029 I think one of the issues is that some-- 418 00:24:47,112 --> 00:24:49,865 it's very hard to agree with some of the very premises 419 00:24:50,782 --> 00:24:55,245 that are being expressed tonight, as if everything is already settled. 420 00:24:55,329 --> 00:24:59,291 We know this country is, for example, a white supremacy. 421 00:24:59,791 --> 00:25:01,168 Well, I don't believe that. 422 00:25:01,710 --> 00:25:06,757 I think it's possibly the most absurd hyperbole I've ever heard. 423 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:07,883 I come from-- 424 00:25:07,966 --> 00:25:10,761 I'm an immigrant, so I have a slightly different view of this. 425 00:25:10,844 --> 00:25:17,184 I can tell you America in 2022 is the most multiracial, 426 00:25:17,267 --> 00:25:21,563 multicultural, tolerant, diverse melting pot 427 00:25:21,647 --> 00:25:23,815 that has ever existed on planet Earth. 428 00:25:23,899 --> 00:25:26,401 And there is no other place on Earth even like it. 429 00:25:26,485 --> 00:25:30,531 That's why 86% of our immigrants are non-white. 430 00:25:30,614 --> 00:25:32,032 Let me ask you a question. 431 00:25:32,115 --> 00:25:34,159 Do you think they want to come to a white supremacist country? 432 00:25:34,243 --> 00:25:36,411 I think you bring up an interesting point, 433 00:25:36,495 --> 00:25:38,872 and we might be getting hung up on semantics. 434 00:25:38,956 --> 00:25:42,292 So the fact that you're an immigrant speaks volumes. 435 00:25:43,001 --> 00:25:44,753 It means you chose to come here. 436 00:25:44,837 --> 00:25:48,882 But America didn't start that way for Black people. 437 00:25:48,966 --> 00:25:50,551 They didn't immigrate here. 438 00:25:50,634 --> 00:25:54,012 They were living somewhere else and they were kidnapped, and raped 439 00:25:54,096 --> 00:25:56,557 and murdered and taken here. 440 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,685 And so for you to just say this is a magnificent place 441 00:25:59,768 --> 00:26:03,230 that doesn't have racism is actually, I think… 442 00:26:03,313 --> 00:26:05,732 -I didn't say that. -…more of a foundational lie 443 00:26:05,816 --> 00:26:07,317 than anything else. 444 00:26:08,277 --> 00:26:09,695 I didn't say that. 445 00:26:09,778 --> 00:26:11,071 I did not say that. 446 00:26:11,154 --> 00:26:14,449 -You said that it's the most hyperbole-- -I did not say that racism doesn't exist. 447 00:26:14,533 --> 00:26:19,204 I said the term "white supremacy" is an absurd hyperbole. 448 00:26:19,288 --> 00:26:21,748 For most people, that means the KKK. 449 00:26:21,832 --> 00:26:23,625 It means no rights for minorities. 450 00:26:23,709 --> 00:26:26,044 -And this has been used… -Okay, then let's define the term. 451 00:26:26,128 --> 00:26:28,755 -…simply to avoid an argument. -Let's take a step back. 452 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,842 And let's define what we mean by white supremacy. 453 00:26:31,925 --> 00:26:33,760 When you say white supremacy, 454 00:26:33,844 --> 00:26:37,973 how are you defining it for this conversation? 455 00:26:38,056 --> 00:26:41,226 When I talk about white supremacy and when I talk about racism, 456 00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:44,396 I'm talking about power and privilege. 457 00:26:44,479 --> 00:26:47,900 The power and privilege that we hold as white people in society. 458 00:26:47,983 --> 00:26:53,906 The way in which our structures, our institutions, our systems, 459 00:26:53,989 --> 00:26:57,743 how everything was designed with white people in mind, 460 00:26:57,826 --> 00:26:59,745 and only white people in mind. 461 00:26:59,828 --> 00:27:05,375 If you think about who is white in society, how it has morphed… 462 00:27:05,459 --> 00:27:08,795 Dude, I'm a Jew. I was grandfathered in like 50 years ago. 463 00:27:08,879 --> 00:27:11,089 -Right. -They-- Here's what they did. 464 00:27:11,173 --> 00:27:13,550 Brown people started coming. They're like, "We're gonna need some Jews." 465 00:27:13,634 --> 00:27:14,927 And so they brought us in. 466 00:27:15,010 --> 00:27:16,220 -Absolutely. -It expands. 467 00:27:16,303 --> 00:27:21,141 But it does that to hold up the pillars of the systems that are in place. 468 00:27:21,225 --> 00:27:22,643 But you think it's purposeful? 469 00:27:22,726 --> 00:27:25,312 -It's absolutely purposeful. -Andrew, would your argument be 470 00:27:25,395 --> 00:27:28,941 that you don't believe that that's purposeful, or that it doesn't exist? 471 00:27:29,566 --> 00:27:31,902 -I don't believe it exists. -Okay. 472 00:27:31,985 --> 00:27:34,238 I don't know what these systems are. 473 00:27:34,321 --> 00:27:35,989 -Okay, so-- -Just give me one system. 474 00:27:36,073 --> 00:27:38,283 -All right, redlining neighborhoods. -Capitalism? 475 00:27:38,367 --> 00:27:40,661 -No, redlining neighborhoods. -Well, that's a state-- 476 00:27:40,744 --> 00:27:43,830 That was a state-enforced thing from Jim Crow, 477 00:27:43,914 --> 00:27:47,084 which is the one point of which I think absolutely is true. 478 00:27:47,167 --> 00:27:49,837 So you just said it doesn't exist except for that. 479 00:27:50,379 --> 00:27:51,505 -No, no, no. -Yeah. 480 00:27:51,588 --> 00:27:54,299 No, I said white supremacy doesn't exist. 481 00:27:54,383 --> 00:27:58,178 So when the New Deal was passed, right? 482 00:27:58,262 --> 00:27:59,346 When the New Deal passed, 483 00:27:59,429 --> 00:28:03,725 Black people were explicitly not allowed to have those loans. 484 00:28:03,809 --> 00:28:06,562 When the Homestead Act allowed white people 485 00:28:06,645 --> 00:28:10,732 to get an enormous wealth of land and be able to farm it, 486 00:28:10,816 --> 00:28:12,401 Black people did not have access to that. 487 00:28:12,484 --> 00:28:16,530 When slaves were freed, when Social Security came-- 488 00:28:16,613 --> 00:28:19,491 Black people-- when the G.I. Bill-- Black people were not-- 489 00:28:19,575 --> 00:28:22,494 So when you say to me, "I don't get how this exists," 490 00:28:22,578 --> 00:28:25,497 I'm just having trouble figuring out, like-- I mean, you're a bright guy. 491 00:28:25,581 --> 00:28:27,457 Like, what the fuck are you talking about? 492 00:28:27,541 --> 00:28:29,585 -Exactly. -Honestly, like, I don't know. 493 00:28:29,668 --> 00:28:30,586 Yeah. 494 00:28:30,669 --> 00:28:34,256 So, Chip, Chip, you jump in. And I don't mean to attack you. 495 00:28:34,339 --> 00:28:38,177 -I'm just confused. Chip. -First off, the false analogy is this-- 496 00:28:38,260 --> 00:28:43,891 equating 250 years of slavery and then 100 years of Jim Crow 497 00:28:43,974 --> 00:28:49,062 with the immigrant experiences of white Europeans from 1870 to 1924. 498 00:28:49,146 --> 00:28:50,898 I grew up in an Italian, Jewish neighborhood in Philadelphia, 499 00:28:50,981 --> 00:28:52,065 working class. 500 00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:53,859 But you know how these folks made it? 501 00:28:53,942 --> 00:28:57,863 They got jobs in the government, civil jobs, cops, union jobs. 502 00:28:57,946 --> 00:29:01,116 These were all off-limits. If you were brown or Black, forget it. 503 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,076 Here's the real deal about everything, 504 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,079 is that whites came to believe that everything good-- 505 00:29:06,163 --> 00:29:09,291 the jobs, the lands, the suburbs, it was theirs. 506 00:29:09,374 --> 00:29:12,085 And when Blacks try to encroach, that's when you have the pushback. 507 00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:16,507 That's when you have riots about busing. That's when you have terrorism. 508 00:29:16,590 --> 00:29:19,676 So I don't know-- You know, I get Andrew. I know Andrew's history. 509 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,013 But, like, I don't even remotely understand what he's saying 510 00:29:23,096 --> 00:29:24,139 about American history. 511 00:29:24,223 --> 00:29:25,933 Because it is not in any way-- 512 00:29:26,016 --> 00:29:28,727 People that have studied it, this is nothing like what he's talking about. 513 00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,979 No one is denying this awful history. 514 00:29:31,063 --> 00:29:32,648 Nor is anyone denying-- 515 00:29:32,731 --> 00:29:36,443 Great, so let's talk productively about what we do about it. 516 00:29:36,527 --> 00:29:39,696 I think the conversation is then this-- we have an awful history. 517 00:29:40,197 --> 00:29:43,867 -Its remnants are still felt today. -We also have a great history, Jon. 518 00:29:43,951 --> 00:29:46,036 -Say it again. -We also have a great history. 519 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,038 But I think you're minimizing it. 520 00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:49,831 You're suggesting that because-- 521 00:29:49,915 --> 00:29:55,170 I think by calling today white supremacy, you are minimizing actual white supremacy. 522 00:29:55,254 --> 00:29:57,548 We have an incredible diversity. 523 00:29:57,631 --> 00:30:02,469 To condemn all American history as racist when in fact it's been liberatory… 524 00:30:03,095 --> 00:30:06,974 The systems that were racist that were put in place that-- 525 00:30:07,057 --> 00:30:10,143 -Systems? -Yes, the systems that were put in place. 526 00:30:10,227 --> 00:30:12,604 I'd like you to explain exactly what they are. 527 00:30:12,688 --> 00:30:15,399 Well, I thought I explained it earlier about the G.I. Bill 528 00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:17,150 and about the New Deal. 529 00:30:17,234 --> 00:30:20,320 That's one thing. I want to know about these systems. 530 00:30:20,404 --> 00:30:22,865 I just explained it. Housing-- 531 00:30:23,448 --> 00:30:25,701 -Food. -That's one, and I've agreed that. 532 00:30:25,784 --> 00:30:29,288 Andrew, you're not living on the same fucking planet we are. 533 00:30:29,371 --> 00:30:30,831 Honestly. 534 00:30:30,914 --> 00:30:33,792 -I really don't think you are. -I think you are not living-- 535 00:30:33,876 --> 00:30:36,962 I think you are not living in the planet most Americans are, 536 00:30:37,045 --> 00:30:39,756 which is why this kind of extremism… 537 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,301 -Right. -…this anti-white extremism… 538 00:30:42,384 --> 00:30:45,220 -Yes. -…is losing popular support, 539 00:30:45,304 --> 00:30:49,224 is creating a backlash, is going to elect Republicans 540 00:30:49,308 --> 00:30:51,435 and undo a lot of the good you think you're doing. 541 00:30:51,518 --> 00:30:53,979 This is what happens when you don't talk about it. 542 00:30:54,062 --> 00:30:55,731 -I'm in favor of talking about it. -This is what happens 543 00:30:55,814 --> 00:30:57,482 when white people don't talk about it, 544 00:30:57,566 --> 00:31:01,153 is you have racist, dog-whistle tropes like this 545 00:31:01,236 --> 00:31:04,364 that actually perpetuate and perpetuate and perpetuate. 546 00:31:04,448 --> 00:31:06,200 So I am-- 547 00:31:06,283 --> 00:31:11,663 And I did not come on this show to sit here and argue with another white man. 548 00:31:11,747 --> 00:31:12,831 That's one of the reasons 549 00:31:12,915 --> 00:31:15,626 that we don't even engage with white men at Race2Dinner. 550 00:31:17,461 --> 00:31:19,254 -So… -I'm out. 551 00:31:19,338 --> 00:31:20,672 You know, because quite honestly, 552 00:31:20,756 --> 00:31:24,927 if white men were going to do something about racism, you had 400 years. 553 00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:26,261 You could've done it. 554 00:31:27,513 --> 00:31:28,680 Okay. 555 00:31:30,307 --> 00:31:32,809 -So, I just-- Nope. -I am 58 years old. 556 00:31:32,893 --> 00:31:34,144 I'm shutting you down right now. 557 00:31:34,228 --> 00:31:37,439 -So the point is… -I'm not responsible for anyone before me. 558 00:31:37,523 --> 00:31:41,026 …I'm so tired of just engaging this conversation 559 00:31:41,109 --> 00:31:44,530 and this deep hurt that Andrew has about talking about racism. 560 00:31:44,613 --> 00:31:48,867 And, Chip, God bless you, but I'm gonna put everybody in the thing. 561 00:31:48,951 --> 00:31:51,245 All of us white people do this. 562 00:31:51,328 --> 00:31:53,330 I don't care if we say we're abolitionists. 563 00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:55,123 I don't care if we say we're progressive. 564 00:31:55,207 --> 00:31:58,961 I don't care if we're literally members of the KKK. 565 00:31:59,044 --> 00:32:03,549 Every single white person upholds these systems and structures of white supremacy. 566 00:32:03,632 --> 00:32:05,717 And we have got to talk about it. 567 00:32:12,349 --> 00:32:15,727 If I could finger snap, I would finger snap right now. 568 00:32:16,895 --> 00:32:17,896 Let's remove it then from the-- 569 00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:20,148 But you'd be finger snapping her calling me a racist, Jon. 570 00:32:20,232 --> 00:32:24,736 Let's-- You've been doing a pretty good job with it yourself there, so… 571 00:32:25,946 --> 00:32:29,157 But, Andrew, you're taking words out of context 572 00:32:29,241 --> 00:32:30,993 and blowing them out of proportion 573 00:32:31,076 --> 00:32:36,290 so that you don't have to deal with having to figure out a way 574 00:32:36,373 --> 00:32:39,835 to deconstruct the barriers that were put in place 575 00:32:39,918 --> 00:32:41,920 for Black people in this country 576 00:32:42,004 --> 00:32:44,506 and give them a better chance. 577 00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:49,261 -Your opening segment was the biggest-- -Was brilliant. 578 00:32:49,344 --> 00:32:51,722 He didn't see it. I don't think he saw it. 579 00:32:51,805 --> 00:32:53,640 Brilliant. 580 00:32:53,724 --> 00:32:56,643 The biggest reductionist, one-sided… 581 00:32:56,727 --> 00:32:58,896 Yes. Yes. 582 00:32:58,979 --> 00:33:02,191 -…completely biased position. -Yes, yes. 583 00:33:02,274 --> 00:33:05,360 -Andrew, you are correct. -When I watched it, I wondered, 584 00:33:05,444 --> 00:33:09,531 have you lived in the same country as everybody else for the last 30 years? 585 00:33:09,615 --> 00:33:12,075 It was a straw man that you created. 586 00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:13,619 -Andrew… -A total straw man. 587 00:33:13,702 --> 00:33:16,371 -…you can appreciate things-- -In which every white person was bad. 588 00:33:16,455 --> 00:33:18,916 -Let me stop for a second. -Every Black person had the same position. 589 00:33:18,999 --> 00:33:21,126 You can appreciate where you live. 590 00:33:21,752 --> 00:33:23,921 You can love where you live. 591 00:33:24,004 --> 00:33:29,218 And you can honestly diagnose a terrible, terrible illness 592 00:33:29,301 --> 00:33:34,181 that has lived in this beautiful place that you call home and love, 593 00:33:34,264 --> 00:33:38,352 that you believe has metastasized into a cancer 594 00:33:38,435 --> 00:33:43,857 that can kill the very thing that you believe in so deeply about this country. 595 00:33:43,941 --> 00:33:45,734 To improve that place 596 00:33:45,817 --> 00:33:51,823 and make it into the country that it stated it was in its founding documents 597 00:33:51,907 --> 00:33:55,244 is the duty of everybody who lives here. 598 00:33:55,327 --> 00:33:57,913 -So do not… -Indeed. 599 00:33:57,996 --> 00:34:01,375 …tell me who I am or what I believe, motherfucker. 600 00:34:01,458 --> 00:34:03,877 I'm just saying that you've created a straw man. 601 00:34:07,047 --> 00:34:11,134 I apologize. I fucking-- 602 00:34:11,217 --> 00:34:13,762 When you get older, it's harder to control the emotions. 603 00:34:13,846 --> 00:34:15,556 But let's talk about solutions. 604 00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:18,809 Lisa, I'll start with you. What is the future? 605 00:34:18,891 --> 00:34:24,857 How do we heal a country that has a really difficult time dealing with this? 606 00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:29,902 As we see from four people that I think like and respect each other 607 00:34:29,987 --> 00:34:31,905 and yet still can't have a conversation. 608 00:34:31,989 --> 00:34:34,449 I think the first thing that we need to understand 609 00:34:34,533 --> 00:34:36,702 is that all of us white people 610 00:34:36,784 --> 00:34:41,748 have a responsibility to engage in these conversations regularly. 611 00:34:41,831 --> 00:34:44,710 But when it gets hot like this, what do you do? 612 00:34:44,793 --> 00:34:47,045 How do you back out of that and remind everybody like, 613 00:34:47,129 --> 00:34:49,464 "Hey, okay, let's take a breath. We're all-- 614 00:34:50,215 --> 00:34:52,801 I think we're all decent, good-hearted people 615 00:34:52,885 --> 00:34:54,219 who are trying to do the right thing. 616 00:34:54,303 --> 00:34:56,221 -We differ in how to do it." -Yes. 617 00:34:56,304 --> 00:35:00,726 I think that we have to know that we have to hold people accountable, 618 00:35:00,809 --> 00:35:07,065 but we also have to hold them with grace and with compassion. 619 00:35:07,149 --> 00:35:09,484 And we have to do each of them. 620 00:35:09,568 --> 00:35:11,945 To Lisa's point, I think at the individual level 621 00:35:12,029 --> 00:35:13,363 -there are things we can do. -Yeah. 622 00:35:13,447 --> 00:35:14,573 -At the big level… -Okay. 623 00:35:14,656 --> 00:35:19,661 …what I think is that a lot of racism, when you strip it away, 624 00:35:19,745 --> 00:35:24,041 it's about someone trying to take my resources. And status is a resource. 625 00:35:24,708 --> 00:35:28,754 We need something akin to a new New Deal, to something to a Marshall Plan. 626 00:35:28,837 --> 00:35:32,758 We basically, instead of building another B-1 bomber or another carrier-- 627 00:35:32,841 --> 00:35:34,551 basically we invest in our infrastructure. 628 00:35:34,635 --> 00:35:37,721 Schools, bridges. I mean, the list is very, very long. 629 00:35:37,804 --> 00:35:41,058 Andrew, I would think that's something actually that might appeal to you 630 00:35:41,141 --> 00:35:43,101 in terms of rebuilding infrastructure and things, 631 00:35:43,185 --> 00:35:46,605 because that's not based on-- but it's rebuilding areas 632 00:35:46,688 --> 00:35:49,441 that are entrenched in poverty and those things. 633 00:35:49,525 --> 00:35:54,196 It can be absolutely, yes, but I'm sorry to say, 634 00:35:54,279 --> 00:35:57,699 I think just white people talking about this endlessly 635 00:35:57,783 --> 00:35:59,409 is not going to help 636 00:35:59,493 --> 00:36:01,828 actual Black Americans who deal with it. 637 00:36:01,912 --> 00:36:03,789 I have certain ideas about that. 638 00:36:03,872 --> 00:36:07,292 I think we need to focus intensely on young education. 639 00:36:07,376 --> 00:36:08,710 I think education is crucial. 640 00:36:08,794 --> 00:36:14,049 I think figuring out a way to help Black kids have a stable family. 641 00:36:14,132 --> 00:36:15,843 The truth is-- That's two-- 642 00:36:15,926 --> 00:36:19,388 If you have a two-parent, married home, you're going to do better. 643 00:36:19,471 --> 00:36:20,806 You really are. 644 00:36:20,889 --> 00:36:24,476 I didn't grow up in a stable family. I grew up in a single-parent family. 645 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,187 -I'm just telling you the data. -And so, you know-- 646 00:36:27,271 --> 00:36:30,649 The data is that 30% of African Americans don't have this. 647 00:36:30,732 --> 00:36:34,528 It's the biggest factor in getting people into college and succeeding in life. 648 00:36:34,611 --> 00:36:37,739 And if you ignore it, we're gonna let these Black kids down. 649 00:36:37,823 --> 00:36:40,659 I think Andrew-- I mean, what I'm hearing is, like, the family, 650 00:36:40,742 --> 00:36:42,119 the pathology of the Black family. 651 00:36:42,202 --> 00:36:44,329 That was the line. It wasn't the Black family. 652 00:36:44,413 --> 00:36:46,665 It was the structures. You know, in the '80s it was crack. 653 00:36:46,748 --> 00:36:48,792 It's disinvestment, it's white flight. 654 00:36:48,876 --> 00:36:52,671 Family stability-- There is an element of economic stability in family stability. 655 00:36:52,754 --> 00:36:54,506 And like, that's lost in your conversation. 656 00:36:54,590 --> 00:36:57,509 I feel like your defensiveness 657 00:36:57,593 --> 00:37:01,263 and the tropes that you use about the Black family 658 00:37:01,346 --> 00:37:04,725 being the cause of entrenched poverty in that community 659 00:37:04,808 --> 00:37:09,229 ignores why those families are broken up in the first place. 660 00:37:09,313 --> 00:37:10,856 And that's mass incarceration, 661 00:37:10,939 --> 00:37:14,234 and that's the way that we viewed the crack epidemic, 662 00:37:14,318 --> 00:37:18,697 and that's the economic opportunity over generations that was defined, so-- 663 00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:22,701 You keep trying to remove things from their historical bearings. 664 00:37:22,784 --> 00:37:24,369 -And I just think that's-- -No. 665 00:37:24,453 --> 00:37:27,247 If you can't diagnose the problem, you can't fix it. 666 00:37:27,331 --> 00:37:30,834 We need to think about how we help the family restructure itself. 667 00:37:30,918 --> 00:37:32,878 Because it's key. It's key. 668 00:37:32,961 --> 00:37:34,129 Let's boil it down then. 669 00:37:34,213 --> 00:37:36,840 Why do you think the family got that way? 670 00:37:36,924 --> 00:37:38,091 Because I do think-- 671 00:37:38,175 --> 00:37:41,345 Because I do think it wasn't-- Marriage became less important. 672 00:37:41,428 --> 00:37:43,555 Sex outside of marriage became-- for all of us. 673 00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,183 Uh-huh. But you're not talking about all of us, Andrew. 674 00:37:46,266 --> 00:37:49,061 And now we're seeing the same happening with white families. 675 00:37:49,144 --> 00:37:51,980 You're talking about specifically the Black community. 676 00:37:52,064 --> 00:37:54,399 If you look at white families today, you see the same thing. 677 00:37:54,483 --> 00:37:56,109 So you're upset about that as well? 678 00:37:56,193 --> 00:37:58,111 -Of course I am. -Okay, all right. 679 00:37:58,195 --> 00:38:00,656 I'm not blaming-- This is a family question. 680 00:38:00,739 --> 00:38:03,617 White or Black, you're gonna do better if your parents stay at home 681 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:06,036 and take care of you until you leave home. 682 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:07,579 That's just a fact. 683 00:38:07,663 --> 00:38:10,415 How are you supposed to do that when you work a low-income job 684 00:38:10,499 --> 00:38:11,792 and you don't have childcare? 685 00:38:12,417 --> 00:38:15,128 Well, it's really tough, which is why we need to address that. 686 00:38:15,212 --> 00:38:17,673 -Absolutely. -But that's what we just talked about. 687 00:38:17,756 --> 00:38:20,008 Of course we do and-- Yeah, that's important. I agree. 688 00:38:20,092 --> 00:38:23,053 I would spend more on that. I'd spend more on schooling. 689 00:38:23,136 --> 00:38:25,264 I would spend more on childcare. 690 00:38:25,347 --> 00:38:28,141 But I do not think you can dismiss culture. 691 00:38:28,225 --> 00:38:30,894 -There are very poor-- -That's the point I'm getting to, Andrew, 692 00:38:30,978 --> 00:38:33,021 which I think you've been dodging around. 693 00:38:33,105 --> 00:38:35,107 What do you mean by culture? 694 00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:41,864 I mean a culture in which the family unit is not as strong as it might be. 695 00:38:41,947 --> 00:38:44,408 And in which the sense of making it in America-- 696 00:38:44,491 --> 00:38:46,618 And why is it not as strong as it might be? 697 00:38:46,702 --> 00:38:49,413 -You're not talking about everybody. -…a source of a lot of our problems. 698 00:38:49,496 --> 00:38:50,956 -I am. -You're talking about Black people. 699 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:52,291 Why do you think-- 700 00:38:52,374 --> 00:38:54,793 You seem to feel like somehow 701 00:38:54,877 --> 00:38:59,506 Black culture is uniquely destructive to family. Why? 702 00:38:59,590 --> 00:39:00,799 I don't-- I don't-- 703 00:39:00,883 --> 00:39:04,011 To be honest, I'm just telling you that's what is the truth, 704 00:39:04,094 --> 00:39:06,555 that 30% are still born out of wedlock. 705 00:39:06,638 --> 00:39:07,890 Only born out of wedlock. 706 00:39:07,973 --> 00:39:10,434 I mean, it's a complicated question. I think-- 707 00:39:10,517 --> 00:39:12,519 Well, that's why I'm asking you to explain it. 708 00:39:12,603 --> 00:39:14,897 -Tell me. -It's also a function-- 709 00:39:14,980 --> 00:39:18,775 Well, I think it's a function of social conservatism losing its grip 710 00:39:18,859 --> 00:39:20,110 in African-American communities. 711 00:39:20,194 --> 00:39:21,612 In the 1930s, 712 00:39:21,695 --> 00:39:25,908 the family retention rate, the marriage rate was in the 80s. 713 00:39:25,991 --> 00:39:26,992 80 percent. 714 00:39:27,075 --> 00:39:29,912 If it was 80% in Harlem in 1928 715 00:39:30,579 --> 00:39:32,623 and it's only 30% now, 716 00:39:33,749 --> 00:39:37,002 we need to get it back to where it was to have a better chance 717 00:39:37,085 --> 00:39:39,379 for kids-- for Black kids to succeed. 718 00:39:39,463 --> 00:39:40,839 That's what I'm talking about. 719 00:39:40,923 --> 00:39:43,884 -Because you care about Black kids. -And-- Okay. That's-- So we'll-- 720 00:39:43,967 --> 00:39:45,636 We'll look into that. 721 00:39:47,179 --> 00:39:48,013 Yeah! 722 00:39:48,096 --> 00:39:50,516 And we'll get there, but… 723 00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,976 People in those communities want a better quality of life. 724 00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:56,855 Whatever we have to do to get there for them to attain quality of life-- 725 00:39:56,939 --> 00:39:58,524 It's not about broken marriage-- 726 00:39:58,607 --> 00:40:01,944 It's about, how do we get people to have the quality of life 727 00:40:02,027 --> 00:40:04,738 that we all as Americans deserve? 728 00:40:04,821 --> 00:40:06,949 I think that we can all agree on. 729 00:40:07,032 --> 00:40:10,702 And what a wonderful moment of kumbaya… 730 00:40:12,913 --> 00:40:16,625 at the end. I've appreciated everyone taking the time to do this. 731 00:40:16,708 --> 00:40:21,380 Boy, has it pointed out some fault lines, and we've got to recalibrate 732 00:40:21,463 --> 00:40:25,676 and find a way to be open to 733 00:40:25,759 --> 00:40:31,098 all different stripes of white people in the conversation, 734 00:40:31,181 --> 00:40:33,600 whether they be people who study it, 735 00:40:33,684 --> 00:40:36,395 people who spend their lives trying to change it, 736 00:40:36,478 --> 00:40:39,690 or people who are very upset about having to do that. 737 00:40:41,775 --> 00:40:43,986 Thank you very much, Andrew Sullivan, Lisa and Chip. 738 00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:45,529 All right, we'll be right back. 739 00:41:01,086 --> 00:41:04,298 Back to Larry for three. Yes. Three-pointer! 740 00:41:04,381 --> 00:41:06,049 Hits the three. 741 00:41:06,133 --> 00:41:09,678 The hired assassin is firing it on target today. 742 00:41:09,761 --> 00:41:11,305 Look at that smooth rhythm. 743 00:41:11,388 --> 00:41:12,723 Stockton open. 744 00:41:12,806 --> 00:41:14,600 It's another one. Great pass. 745 00:41:14,683 --> 00:41:16,768 Beautiful play for Little John Stockton. 746 00:41:43,795 --> 00:41:46,215 -Senator Booker. -I wish we were back in Jersey, man. 747 00:41:46,298 --> 00:41:48,300 I feel in some ways like I am back in Jersey. 748 00:41:48,383 --> 00:41:50,302 We've declared this for the state of New Jersey. 749 00:41:53,347 --> 00:41:54,848 -Senator Scott, South Carolina. -Yes, sir. 750 00:41:54,932 --> 00:41:56,558 -Thank you so much for joining us. -Absolutely. 751 00:41:56,642 --> 00:41:59,853 In this country, obviously after George Floyd 752 00:41:59,937 --> 00:42:02,940 there was a real sense of a racial reckoning, 753 00:42:03,023 --> 00:42:07,152 that white people needed to listen. 754 00:42:07,903 --> 00:42:09,613 So we had a conversation with white people. 755 00:42:09,696 --> 00:42:11,114 I can tell you this. 756 00:42:12,074 --> 00:42:13,075 It did not go well. 757 00:42:13,158 --> 00:42:14,535 -Really? -Yeah. 758 00:42:14,618 --> 00:42:17,579 It got heated fast. 759 00:42:17,663 --> 00:42:19,456 One of our guests used the phrase "white supremacy," 760 00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:22,251 that the country was designed in white supremacy. 761 00:42:22,334 --> 00:42:28,674 And that language was a burr in the saddle of this one individual 762 00:42:28,757 --> 00:42:32,553 who said, "How dare you say white supremacy?" 763 00:42:32,636 --> 00:42:37,599 Even though, to my mind, I don't know how you would describe it any other way 764 00:42:37,683 --> 00:42:39,268 in terms of the design of it. 765 00:42:39,351 --> 00:42:41,687 So, I don't want to quibble with some of your words. 766 00:42:41,770 --> 00:42:43,522 Quibble away, though. I'm here to be quibbled. 767 00:42:43,605 --> 00:42:46,984 But the language-- The reason why your language makes me feel uncomfortable… 768 00:42:47,067 --> 00:42:49,194 -Yes. -…is because it makes it sound 769 00:42:49,278 --> 00:42:54,491 like there's some sinister person who's designing a system today. 770 00:42:54,575 --> 00:42:55,909 We need to tell the truth. 771 00:42:56,952 --> 00:43:00,747 But somehow it can't be a conversation about blame, 772 00:43:00,831 --> 00:43:02,916 but more that inspires a sense of responsibility. 773 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,293 So that's really interesting. 774 00:43:04,376 --> 00:43:08,881 So would we agree that the experience of African Americans 775 00:43:08,964 --> 00:43:11,341 -is unique in this country… -Yes. 776 00:43:11,425 --> 00:43:16,430 …in that the government really did set structural barriers for them? 777 00:43:16,513 --> 00:43:21,518 For 180, 190 years of American history 778 00:43:21,602 --> 00:43:25,564 African Americans were, by and large, specifically carved out 779 00:43:25,647 --> 00:43:29,026 of a free market system that works incredibly well 780 00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:30,235 -if you're in it. -Right. Right. 781 00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:32,029 Without a question. If you can't acknowledge that, 782 00:43:32,112 --> 00:43:33,655 then you're not acknowledging the truth. 783 00:43:33,739 --> 00:43:40,204 But I see so many signs of strong progress that I've personally experienced, 784 00:43:40,704 --> 00:43:44,124 and at the same time I see some of the challenges that we still need to confront. 785 00:43:44,208 --> 00:43:48,212 The reason why I wanted to come to the Senate, 786 00:43:48,295 --> 00:43:51,298 -and Senator Scott and you… -Right. 787 00:43:51,381 --> 00:43:55,511 …is you sit in a position of power in an institution 788 00:43:55,594 --> 00:43:59,515 that has not traditionally been hospitable to people of color. 789 00:44:00,015 --> 00:44:05,771 House of Representatives is very much a picture of what America looks like now. 790 00:44:05,854 --> 00:44:08,982 It's diverse. Different viewpoints. 791 00:44:09,066 --> 00:44:11,527 Ethnically, gender… 792 00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:14,655 The Senate is affirmative action for old white dudes. 793 00:44:15,656 --> 00:44:16,990 -I-- -It's-- It's-- 794 00:44:17,074 --> 00:44:19,785 -But let me get to the point. -Yes. Please. 795 00:44:19,868 --> 00:44:21,703 How do you move forward 796 00:44:22,287 --> 00:44:26,834 when the still-overwhelming majority of the country believes, 797 00:44:26,917 --> 00:44:30,754 "If you help the Black community, that's gonna come out of our pot"? 798 00:44:31,630 --> 00:44:33,006 It's resource guarding. 799 00:44:33,090 --> 00:44:37,344 Those who believe that in order for me to have what I need 800 00:44:37,427 --> 00:44:39,638 you have to give up what you need, 801 00:44:40,764 --> 00:44:42,266 that's just an illusion. 802 00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:45,477 Why do you think the resentment, then, is so ingrained? 803 00:44:45,561 --> 00:44:49,273 Too much of success in this nation feels elusive. 804 00:44:49,356 --> 00:44:50,190 Right. 805 00:44:50,274 --> 00:44:53,610 And so the future challenge that we have coming our way 806 00:44:53,694 --> 00:44:57,281 I think is less Black and white and is more structural 807 00:44:57,364 --> 00:45:02,160 to those who feel like their resources are inadequate to meet their needs. 808 00:45:02,244 --> 00:45:06,081 If you're looking for a great equalizer, 809 00:45:06,164 --> 00:45:08,208 the closest thing to a panacea, 810 00:45:08,292 --> 00:45:13,338 it's understanding that education is the closest thing to magic in America. 811 00:45:13,422 --> 00:45:18,010 With a good education, almost all things are possible. 812 00:45:18,093 --> 00:45:21,263 Is it about convincing, maybe, white Americans 813 00:45:21,346 --> 00:45:26,018 that this investment actually enriches everyone? 814 00:45:26,101 --> 00:45:29,354 Jon, I don't spend as much time on white versus Black as you do. 815 00:45:29,438 --> 00:45:31,773 -I spend most of my time-- -I can tell. But to me, 816 00:45:31,857 --> 00:45:34,902 it's illuminating the challenges 817 00:45:34,985 --> 00:45:37,905 so that everything starts off on a level playing field. 818 00:45:37,988 --> 00:45:41,783 If you were looking at an area of profound change, 819 00:45:42,868 --> 00:45:44,703 would education be that-- 820 00:45:44,786 --> 00:45:50,125 -Is that where the power source would be? -So, it's hard to say that. 821 00:45:50,209 --> 00:45:52,836 One of the top indicators, if not the top indicator, 822 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,464 of whether your children will be poisoned 823 00:45:55,547 --> 00:45:57,841 is the color of your skin in this country. 824 00:45:57,925 --> 00:46:01,136 Because from the particulate matter that causes asthma, 825 00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:04,806 to the toxins in soil, to the contaminants in water, 826 00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:07,684 those are disproportionately in low-income places. 827 00:46:07,768 --> 00:46:09,978 So it's hard to say, "Just give that kid some more money." 828 00:46:10,062 --> 00:46:16,109 You can't separate education from poverty or from environmental hazards. 829 00:46:16,193 --> 00:46:20,572 So what is it about the white community that has in their hearts-- 830 00:46:20,656 --> 00:46:22,783 -Some in the white community… -Some, some. 831 00:46:22,866 --> 00:46:28,580 …that there is this lack of that empathy? 832 00:46:28,664 --> 00:46:32,209 You're talking about a narrow band of people 833 00:46:32,292 --> 00:46:34,878 who harbor racial resentment. 834 00:46:34,962 --> 00:46:39,758 No. I'm talking about the majority of people. 835 00:46:39,842 --> 00:46:43,345 They don't harbor racial resentment, but they'll say, 836 00:46:43,428 --> 00:46:44,638 "Well, there's more crime there…" 837 00:46:44,721 --> 00:46:45,973 -Right. -"…in the Black community." 838 00:46:46,056 --> 00:46:48,642 And if you keep saying to them, "But why?" They won't come to, 839 00:46:48,725 --> 00:46:51,728 -"Well, redlining and the Homestead Act." -Yes. 840 00:46:51,812 --> 00:46:54,815 -Yes. -What they'll come to is the culture. 841 00:46:54,898 --> 00:46:56,567 Well, I'm-- I'm-- 842 00:46:56,650 --> 00:46:59,444 -I'm not sure I actually agree with you. -Okay. 843 00:46:59,528 --> 00:47:01,405 I agree with you about implicit racial bias. 844 00:47:01,488 --> 00:47:03,073 And it is an issue. 845 00:47:03,949 --> 00:47:05,701 It is an issue of why in my life-- 846 00:47:05,784 --> 00:47:07,828 -Right. -Both Tim Scott and I-- our lives-- 847 00:47:07,911 --> 00:47:11,206 we were pulled over disproportionately to our white friends. 848 00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:14,126 I wanna make sure that you guys don't think that I'm a unicorn. 849 00:47:15,002 --> 00:47:17,254 I have faced the same challenges you have. 850 00:47:17,337 --> 00:47:20,007 -Right. -I've been stopped 20-plus times. 851 00:47:20,090 --> 00:47:21,717 As a-- driving while Black. 852 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,971 You guys have the grace and the pragmatism to move past it. 853 00:47:26,054 --> 00:47:27,848 -These two gentlemen… -Right. 854 00:47:27,931 --> 00:47:30,100 …on the opposite side of the political spectrum. 855 00:47:30,184 --> 00:47:33,645 One considered very conservative, one considered very liberal. 856 00:47:33,729 --> 00:47:39,985 And yet, I was surprised at how well you aligned with each other. 857 00:47:40,694 --> 00:47:42,279 Look, Tim has been my best partner. 858 00:47:42,362 --> 00:47:46,783 Contempt didn't get me and Tim Scott to pass the First Step Act, 859 00:47:46,867 --> 00:47:49,161 to pass Opportunity-- I can go through the legislation. 860 00:47:49,244 --> 00:47:51,330 Not hating somebody, 861 00:47:51,413 --> 00:47:53,874 seeing their humanity, not otherizing them. 862 00:47:53,957 --> 00:47:57,586 Patriotism is love of country, and you cannot love your country 863 00:47:57,669 --> 00:47:59,588 unless you love your fellow countrymen and women. 864 00:47:59,671 --> 00:48:02,883 You don't always have to like them. You don't always have to agree with them. 865 00:48:02,966 --> 00:48:06,011 But love is this radical idea 866 00:48:06,094 --> 00:48:09,264 that, "I am going to put your well-being in line with mine 867 00:48:09,348 --> 00:48:11,391 and understand that they are actually bound together." 868 00:48:12,142 --> 00:48:15,437 But you're preaching the gospel to some extent here. 869 00:48:15,979 --> 00:48:17,356 And I gotta tell you, 870 00:48:17,439 --> 00:48:20,025 if Jesus was alive today and he preached that gospel, 871 00:48:20,108 --> 00:48:21,610 the Twitter comments would be vicious. 872 00:48:22,778 --> 00:48:23,946 I-- I-- 873 00:48:24,029 --> 00:48:25,822 "Jesus, you both-sideser! 874 00:48:26,406 --> 00:48:27,407 What are you doing?" 875 00:48:27,491 --> 00:48:29,117 Final question is just for me personally. 876 00:48:29,201 --> 00:48:32,871 But I do wanna ask you, who is the most racist senator? 877 00:48:34,957 --> 00:48:36,959 You know, that's like 878 00:48:37,042 --> 00:48:40,504 asking a question about when did you stop-- You know-- 879 00:48:43,924 --> 00:48:46,385 -So I'm the fourth Black person… -Yeah. 880 00:48:47,177 --> 00:48:48,846 …popularly elected ever to the Senate. 881 00:48:48,929 --> 00:48:50,013 Tim is the fifth. 882 00:48:50,514 --> 00:48:51,515 -Really? -Yeah. 883 00:48:51,598 --> 00:48:52,599 So, picture this. 884 00:48:52,683 --> 00:48:57,437 We were negotiating the policing bill, and we get assigned a room. 885 00:48:58,105 --> 00:49:00,941 And I'm walking into the room. I ask my staff, 886 00:49:01,024 --> 00:49:04,111 "What's this room's name?" And they go, "It's the Strom Thurmond room." 887 00:49:07,447 --> 00:49:09,867 And I just-- I stopped and wondered, 888 00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:11,618 "What would Strom Thurmond think?" 889 00:49:12,536 --> 00:49:14,788 Thank you for your time. It's really much appreciated. 890 00:49:14,872 --> 00:49:16,290 -Appreciate you. -Appreciate you. 891 00:49:16,373 --> 00:49:17,457 Thank you. 892 00:49:19,209 --> 00:49:20,335 All right. 893 00:49:24,298 --> 00:49:25,549 Thank you! 894 00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:27,593 Thank you for watching. 895 00:49:30,804 --> 00:49:32,764 I need a nap! 896 00:49:35,058 --> 00:49:37,603 Thank you for watching the episode that'll have the most people on Twitter 897 00:49:37,686 --> 00:49:38,854 reminding me I'm Jewish. 898 00:49:38,937 --> 00:49:42,149 I look forward to their comments. 899 00:49:42,232 --> 00:49:44,776 For more resources, please check out our website at theproblem.com. 900 00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:46,528 We also have a podcast 901 00:49:46,612 --> 00:49:49,865 where I always say at least one thing that requires an emergency staff meeting. 902 00:49:51,074 --> 00:49:52,534 Check out our newsletter. 903 00:49:52,618 --> 00:49:57,206 Got lots of exclusive tips for my toned arms, my juicy glutes. 904 00:49:58,290 --> 00:50:00,792 It goes in a different direction than the rest of the show. 905 00:50:00,876 --> 00:50:03,128 And the best rest stops on the New Jersey Turnpike. 906 00:50:03,212 --> 00:50:04,588 Thanks for joining us. Good night. 907 00:50:19,144 --> 00:50:21,647 When you hold up a LeBron James or a Jay-Z 908 00:50:21,730 --> 00:50:25,317 or somebody along those lines as, "Well, that guy made it. 909 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,987 The most exceptional athlete any of us have ever seen in our lifetimes 910 00:50:29,071 --> 00:50:31,448 can make it. Why can't you?" 911 00:50:31,532 --> 00:50:35,744 Chris Rock used to do a great bit about it. He goes, "I'm six-foot famous." 912 00:50:35,827 --> 00:50:38,288 He goes, "Outside of six feet, I'm just another Black guy 913 00:50:38,372 --> 00:50:39,748 walking on the street getting in trouble. 914 00:50:39,831 --> 00:50:42,251 But as soon as they get within six feet, they're like, 915 00:50:42,334 --> 00:50:44,586 'Hey, ma-- Hey, Chris Rock!'" 916 00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:46,880 That's not how the joke goes. 917 00:50:46,964 --> 00:50:49,383 -It's not? -He's six-foot famous. 918 00:50:49,466 --> 00:50:51,468 And then he goes-- The cop goes, 919 00:50:51,552 --> 00:50:53,679 "Nigga, nigga, nigga-- That's Chris Rock!" 920 00:50:53,762 --> 00:50:56,431 Yeah. I did shorten the bit. 921 00:50:57,766 --> 00:51:00,352 I said, "Jon, tag me in. I'll do the rest of the joke for you. 922 00:51:00,435 --> 00:51:02,688 We can do this together."