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Eleventh of January 2014,
from "sonofabitch."
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That's the guy's name.
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"I always order my crystal here too.
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Then I shoot it up.
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And when the first flashback comes,
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I cook myself some crack out of the coke
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and smoke a nice pipe!"
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"A +++ stuff.
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Guys, two of my teeth
fell out straight away.
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This stuff really fucks you up.
Definitely recommended, you morons."
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Seems like he was satisfied.
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1 TONNE OF DRUGS
IN A TEENAGE BEDROOM
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[tense music playing]
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[Dr. Hieronymus] I have never before come
across a perpetrator like Mr. Schmidt.
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[Petric Kleine]
Maximilian went down in history
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as the "children's bedroom dealer."
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This is because he ran his online business
out of his childhood bedroom.
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I haven't been in this room
in a long time.
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It seems so small,
but I guess the dimensions are right.
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But what does small mean?
I guess it's bigger than a prison cell.
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The amount of drugs
and the amount of money
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was astounding.
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And then for him to be such a young lad!
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I can't tell you at the moment
how much money he has.
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Safety. Safety first.
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Is he still proud of what he accomplished?
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I think that goes without saying.
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This is where…
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Yeah, what can I say?
This is where I began to develop.
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Let's put it that way.
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[techno music playing]
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[techno music builds]
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Police! Hands up!
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[techno music continues]
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RECONSTRUCTION OF CHILDHOOD BEDROOM
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[lock clicks shut]
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[message alert pings]
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[Stefan Costebel] How does a "Max"
become "Shiny Flakes"?
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When does he reach the phase
where there's no turning back?
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"I'm not going straight anymore,
I'm taking a turn".
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Why? When? How? What for?
I think that's fascinating.
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[message alert]
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He lived in the children's room at home
with his mother and her partner.
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That was his environment.
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Friends? As far as I know, he had none.
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A girlfriend?
At this time, he also had none.
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I have another 10 accounts. Interested?
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How much was that again?
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We can discuss the price
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I lost over 3k last week
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I was the annoying guy
who always seems a bit awkward.
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But…
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also somehow calm.
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Just this skinny guy
who doesn't do any exercise,
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but just sits in front of the computer.
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During adolescence, when…
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one develops a certain arrogance…
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There wasn't much competition.
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-THEN I CAN GET THE HDS
-GOT SOME CC+SC, NO PROBLEM
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YEAH
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BEDROOM
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HALL, BALCONY, KITCHEN, BATHROOM
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[Max] So at the time,
I was chatting with someone I know
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by the alias "dumb_pig".
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dumb_pig@jabber.sk
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[Max] And…
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you talk about a lot of things
as the night goes on.
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It always spills over.
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You talk about all kinds of bullshit.
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dumb_pig: I was just on Silk Road
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[Max] And at some point it came up:
"Hey, Silk Road…
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What's on there?" Etcetera.
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And I think at that moment,
it was primarily about
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what they offer
in the area of Internet fraud.
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Until I realised
it's actually more about drugs.
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Drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs…
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From 100 tabs of LSD here,
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to two grammes of crystal meth there.
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dumb_pig: They have EVERYTHING
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[Max] And so we talked back and forth.
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And the conclusion we came to was,
the reason there's so many drugs
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is that the profit margins are so high.
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And then I thought, "Yeah, that's true."
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I crunched the numbers
and did some research.
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[8-bit music playing]
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There was no moment where I thought,
"Whoa, how crazy is this?"
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It was more like: "Whoa, this is crazy!"
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In a positive sense.
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It didn't intimidate me,
it made me want more.
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[music intensifies]
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The first impulse was: "This stuff
is out there, but it could be better."
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It ALL has to be improved
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Website, support, images, everything
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dumb_pig: That's some big talk.
Nothing to back it up
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Wanna bet
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[Max] And the guy I was talking to,
dumb_pig,
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said: "It's not that easy.
It's dangerous." Blah, blah, blah.
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"You can't do it better just like that".
And, "There's no other platform."
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Fine, then somebody could
make their own platform.
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How can I ship better than them?
How can I have a bigger profit margin?
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How can I get more customers than them?
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How can I get more satisfied customers
than these guys?
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Coke, hash and speed would work well
Better than meeting a dealer in the park
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There were a lot of different sellers,
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and maybe one of them
had the best customer support,
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another one had the best prices…
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But somebody who provides it all-in-one?
There just wasn't anything like that.
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This is the dumbest idea you've ever had
Trying to compete with a 5 mil business
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You don't even know a dealer
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[fingers typing]
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I can learn????
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[Max] Many of the people selling
come from a different background.
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They come from the street, they have
some contacts where they get drugs,
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and then they would sell them.
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But they have no technical knowledge
about, "How can I protect myself?"
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"How do I make my own shop
and present it well?"
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I'll start looking around for a supplier…
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OK…
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It wasn't necessarily that there was
a decision: "Okay, I'm going to do this."
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Rather, it was more like,
"How could this be done?"
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And then you think it through.
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And in order to see how to reach the goal,
you already start doing parts of it.
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And then I just gave it a try.
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Hey, how's it going?
We don't know each other.
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True.
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I want to sell.
Need 25g coke and 10 mdma. To test.
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Can you give me a good price?
I'll need it on the regular.
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1700. Payment only with Bitcoin
Delivery to Pack Station
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[ominous electronic music playing]
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[click]
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[music continues]
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[music fades]
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[Max] When I placed
my first order with redbull,
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it was, I think, some stupid amount
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like 25 grammes of cocaine
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and something like
ten or 20 grammes of MDMA.
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And that was it.
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Suddenly I had it there.
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I had to see, what does it smell like?
What does it look like?
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Hmm. It was all very new and unusual.
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What do I have to do with drugs?
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It surprised everyone,
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because everyone assumes
that the kind of people
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who are active in this area
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also consume regularly.
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And that's not Max.
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[Max] I had to read up on it:
"What does this stuff do?
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What do people even do with it?"
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When you watch a film, a typical film,
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everything's cool except heroin.
People say bad things about that.
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But otherwise it's always,
"Hey, party! It's just a bit of fun!"
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Funnily enough, I had this cool Xbox,
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which had a kind of piano-black,
reflective surface,
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and I thought, "Hmm,
if I put this in front of my TV,
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and then put a cool fire on the TV,
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then it would make
a really good reflection on the Xbox."
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[tense music playing]
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[Max] And it was just a killer photo.
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In the beginning,
people complimented it and said:
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"Hey, that looks so cool and classy,
I want to order just because of that!"
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[tense music continues]
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At the very beginning,
of course I was nervous about it,
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like: "Maybe it's like in the movies,
you do something and the police come!"
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But once you understand
the technical side of things,
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all that goes away
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and you're left with the endless
possibilities of what you can do.
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Like a game.
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[pulsing electronic music playing]
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Buy drugs with Bitcoin
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Buy drugs easily with Bitcoin
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People often asked me: "How is this shop
different from other online shops?"
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And I answered, "Not at all.
It's just the products are different."
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Payments were made in advance,
the orders were processed and shipped.
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But instead of shoes, it was drugs.
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[pulsing music intensifies]
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[Max] For people who weren't familiar
with the material,
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there was even a section
for frequently asked questions.
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Receive anonymously?
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How fast can you ship to me?
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You could read it and find out,
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"How do you ensure
everything is kept anonymous?"
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Is it safe?
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Yes!
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Your address info is only recorded
for shipping and is then deleted.
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…DELETED…
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It was also interesting that
there was a minimum order value,
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and it was even set up so that
customers could give ratings,
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so to speak, on how satisfied
they were with the shop.
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That was the fascinating thing.
Something I had never seen before.
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It was like Amazon.
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I don't understand the comparison
with Amazon.
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Because with Amazon
you have various merchants.
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In my case, it was just me.
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[computer bleeps]
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[ping]
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So I'm ready…
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[Max] A lot of people
who are good with tech will say,
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"Okay, with a bit of thought and effort,
I could have maybe done the same thing."
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But the difference is just,
you either do it or you don't.
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[intense techno music playing]
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Check out this new clearnet shop,
shinyflakes.com
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Didn't know you could do that online.
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[Max] My shop was able
to run totally normally on the Internet,
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because with the right knowledge,
it was simply possible.
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[Ricardo Schultz] It's really no different
from those people in glass buildings.
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I mean, they're still doing
illegal business,
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they're just doing it in plain sight.
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Yeah, it was pretty bold.
Someone was feeling pretty confident.
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Other people probably wouldn't manage it
because they would be worried,
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or because they would be afraid, or think:
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"I can't do that, it's unthinkable
to do something like that.
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I could harm a lot of people."
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He didn't have scruples like this.
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And that's why he was able to behave
in such a cold-blooded manner.
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"I control everything.
I'm above everything. I can do this."
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That's dangerous.
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The idea for the whole thing?
December 10th, 2013.
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Two weeks later,
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I think it was the first day of Christmas,
the shop was up.
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And then I had a problem.
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Okay, now I have a shop, and a better way
of connecting with customers.
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And then I forwarded it to dumb_pig
so that he would handle the sales.
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I wasn't up for doing it.
It was too real for me.
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So I thought: "Okay, look,
you'll get all of this.
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Follow my instructions
and everything will be fine."
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[ping]
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dumb_pig - last online 2 days ago
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[Max] I don't remember
what his actual online name was,
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but in any case I started
calling him dumb_pig at some point.
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[director] Why?
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Because he's a dumb pig.
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shinyflakes: Hey, where are you?
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People are starting to put in orders!
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last seen online 4 days ago
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Yeah, dumb_pig bailed
and then I thought, "This is bullshit.
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I've worked so hard for the past 30 days
and now it's just over.
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But I don't want
anything to do with the shipping.
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It's all too close to home for me.
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I'd rather just do stuff here on my PC
and have my peace and quiet."
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And then I thought,
"No, now I've started and it's not…
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I can't just stop halfway."
So I did it myself.
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[ominous electronic music playing]
246
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[checkout scanner beeping]
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[music continues]
248
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[director] Were you worried
your family would notice?
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No family.
250
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[director] No one noticed?
251
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No.
252
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At the very beginning,
in January, February, March,
253
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it was all very amateur.
254
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There's no instructions online
255
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about how to break up MDMA
256
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or how to measure out cocaine.
257
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,720
So I had to try things out on my own
to see what I could do.
258
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And I mean even the simplest things.
259
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,600
In the beginning I had a knife
260
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,040
and I just dug around in the MDMA rock,
which is actually like a real rock.
261
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It was chaotic.
262
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,080
Hi, it all arrived safely
263
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Told you so
264
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,600
[Max] Redbull was my first supplier.
265
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He helped me a lot
because he didn't just sell me stuff,
266
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he also shared a bit of knowledge with me.
267
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,720
He was kind of a mentor, I'd say.
268
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,640
I could ask him any kind of dumb question
269
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and at some point he'd answer.
270
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,600
How do I break up the MDMA????
271
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Hammer, chisel, plastic box
Just really pound it
272
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And don't breathe in the dust
273
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Really?
274
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[key turns in lock]
275
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[director] What would have happened
if someone was standing here?
276
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I was at the hardware shop.
277
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Hammer, chisel. Stuff you need.
278
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[director] That never happened?
279
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,520
Uh, no, they go to work, so…
280
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,160
Yeah, of course it was very practical
281
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that I could come in just here and go
in there and not have a long way to go.
282
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[director] Didn't you ever make mistakes?
283
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Not generally, no.
284
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[rapid hammering]
285
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[tense music playing]
286
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[crows cawing]
287
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LEIPZIG CORRECTIONAL FACILITY
OPEN PRISON
288
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,280
[Max] So…
289
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,760
This looks so funny.
290
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,480
I would always
mess with the social workers.
291
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,480
They come in at six in the morning
to check that you're still alive.
292
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,360
And I would always put
this Minion here at the computer.
293
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:43,920
They always looked confused.
294
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,040
A pro.
295
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,240
When the shop was up and running
I never imagined that I'd go to prison.
296
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,680
So I had no idea of what was coming,
that it would end like this.
297
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,440
INMATE ROOM
298
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,720
But now it's been four and a half years.
299
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,280
In four and a half years, other people
go to university, they do other things.
300
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,200
Live the student life, etcetera.
301
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,240
Here, there's nothing.
Wake up early, go to bed at night.
302
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,000
Very, very, very boring.
303
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,680
My motto has always been:
304
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,160
Stay as far away
from everyone as possible.
305
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,960
I had a small group
that I would see, a few people.
306
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,360
But it's not good to get too involved
with people in general.
307
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,720
I don't know, it's not very social.
308
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,960
Very… primitive.
309
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,480
[checkout beeping]
310
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,880
[key turns in lock]
311
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,280
[Max] In the beginning
it was all pretty relaxed.
312
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,960
You had your one order,
then five, then ten orders a day.
313
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,000
The security precautions
are relatively simple.
314
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,320
You don't meet with anyone.
315
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,720
And other than that,
316
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,680
make sure you don't get caught
when you're doing the shipping.
317
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,160
Sometimes someone would come
and want to post something.
318
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,400
So I'd stand to the side
for a moment and say:
319
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,520
"You can go in front of me,
I've got so many."
320
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,960
No one really cares.
321
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,120
[pulsing music playing]
322
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,920
At that time, sending drugs
by post wasn't really heard-of.
323
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,080
That's the amazing thing,
324
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,720
that it's possible to use
official shipping methods
325
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,480
to build a flourishing drug trade.
326
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,920
First you have to come up with the idea,
then implement it.
327
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,520
[Max] Yeah, the German Postal Service
and DHL did a very good job.
328
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,480
People went nuts
because they would order at 3 p.m.
329
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,880
and the next morning
it was there at eight.
330
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,520
And it's you they thank, but it's because
the post was so fast and good.
331
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,840
In effect, the postmen were my couriers.
332
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,240
In January 2014, so in the first month,
333
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,360
I had maybe 10, 15 thousand euros
in sales, which is a lot.
334
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,760
But it grew so much with time.
335
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,360
No one could have expected it.
336
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,240
Right from the beginning,
it just took off.
337
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,560
[computer bleeping]
338
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,360
It kept on growing so much
that in summer 2014,
339
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,960
I think there were 40 or 50 orders a day.
340
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,160
A lot of people found the shop
through Google searches.
341
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,360
You can see clearly
what people are searching for,
342
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,560
and one was "buy cocaine."
343
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,760
Boom, then they're on your website.
344
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,760
I had everything.
345
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:29,160
Aside from drugs, I also had
various prescription medication on offer.
346
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,400
Alprazolam, bromazepam,
clonazepam, diazepam,
347
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,200
nitrazepam, fentanyl, midazolam,
tramadol, zolpidem.
348
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,160
A lot of prescription drugs.
349
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,560
[bleep]
350
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,720
[cash registers ringing]
351
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,040
[driving percussive music playing]
352
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,160
[cash registers ringing]
353
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,840
For every normal adult,
it's all about the money.
354
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,200
And also, as is the case
with all of my drug dealers,
355
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,480
it's all about living in the fast lane.
356
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,760
Whether it's buying hand-made shoes
or tailored suits.
357
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,000
It's just all really about living it up.
358
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,800
Max didn't do that at all.
359
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,680
All that money…
360
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,400
he didn't spend any of it.
361
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,160
The most fun part
was just watching it grow.
362
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,600
[upbeat dance music playing]
363
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,160
[Max] Big cities, small towns,
364
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,480
the tiniest Bavarian village…
365
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,800
[music continues]
366
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,160
[Max] Also Indonesia, China, Australia…
Orders from all over the world.
367
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000
When you've got an online drug business,
368
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,520
you have a bigger reach than you would
just standing out in a park.
369
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,200
You can operate worldwide,
even though you're just in one spot.
370
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,640
[music continues]
371
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,920
[Max] The strangest thing was one time
when an order came from Colombia.
372
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,600
Where I thought they
definitely have enough drugs.
373
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,920
AWESOME - doesn't get any better
374
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,280
Powder is the best. Very nice.
375
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,920
There's no better speed than Shiny's!
376
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680
Super fast, well packaged, TOP quality
377
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,520
It's all about SHINY!!!
378
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,040
10/10 clean products
379
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,760
Super fast and super secure!
380
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,400
Ordered on 7.6,
as of now still processing…
381
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,600
This scammer writes
all the positive reviews himself!
382
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,160
Super fast and super secure!
383
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,920
[soft pulsing music playing]
384
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,480
In order to keep track of all the orders,
385
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,160
at first I made a list in Excel,
very simple.
386
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,440
Because I had to try and work out
how to organise it all.
387
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,960
He did things that didn't quite match up
388
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,640
with what he had previously promised
his customers online.
389
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,520
[pulsing music intensifies]
390
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,000
[director] You said in your F.A.Q.
that you don't save the customers' names.
391
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,160
Yeah…
392
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,400
That's another thing.
393
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,960
At some point
I started using the spreadsheet, and…
394
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,920
of course I could have just selected
the top row, and said,
395
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,120
"Now we can delete
January through August, don't need it."
396
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,800
But I just didn't do it.
397
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,280
[computer whirring]
398
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,160
Maximilian felt safe.
399
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,160
The way he behaved showed that.
400
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,160
And it went well for a long time.
401
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,560
[ominous music playing]
402
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,600
[printer whirring]
403
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,960
SAXONY POLICE
404
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,520
[young woman's voice] June 26th, 2014.
405
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,760
I'm renting a flat in Leipzig.
406
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,480
Today I left my flat at 8:15 a.m.
407
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,760
At around 12:50 p.m. I came back home
408
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,160
and found two A5 envelopes
had been left in my letterbox.
409
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,640
Both had "Leipzig Repository"
as the return address.
410
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,320
Since I didn't know
of a Leipzig Repository in the building,
411
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,040
I took them both up to my flat.
412
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,880
Then I called my neighbour and asked
if he had ordered anything on eBay,
413
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,480
and he said he hadn't.
414
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,920
He took a look at the two envelopes
and said:
415
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,800
"Let's open them up and have a look."
416
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,280
When the envelopes were open,
417
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,320
we could see
several grey plastic bags inside.
418
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,160
At that point
I immediately notified the police.
419
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,160
My colleagues found
100 grammes of amphetamines,
420
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,280
a large amount of cocaine
and some ecstasy pills.
421
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,000
When it's one or two,
you don't think much of it,
422
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,760
but there were similar findings
all over the country.
423
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,400
Then it was established
that the senders didn't exist.
424
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,440
The addresses were all made up.
425
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,960
…not registered
with the Trade Licensing Office…
426
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,720
[Petric Kleine] Most of them
had one thing in common:
427
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,800
They were all sent
via the mail dispatch centre in Radefeld.
428
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,719
That was more or less the first sign:
429
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,280
"Mm-hm, could have something
to do with Leipzig."
430
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Shipments often get sent back,
431
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:25,719
you can't avoid that.
432
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,600
Then of course the police
can find out where it was sent from.
433
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,560
But it doesn't lead to me.
434
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,480
Yes, that's correct.
435
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,520
But there were other factors.
436
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,040
Who had paid for the postage?
437
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,520
But we didn't get any further with that,
438
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,520
because Mr Schmidt made sure
to cover his tracks.
439
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,040
Being relatively well-versed
440
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,680
and connected within the world
of cybercrime proved to be an advantage.
441
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,080
You need the package pick-up stations
to be able to receive anything.
442
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,080
You need a postage account to buy stamps.
443
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,120
You need bank accounts
to convert the Bitcoin into cash.
444
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,120
How can I conceal my identity?
445
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,720
How can I avoid getting caught?
446
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,720
On the street, someone could see you,
447
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,800
but on the Internet it's more about,
don't leave any traces,
448
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,360
and if you do, in what form?
449
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,520
Is there a whole group behind this?
450
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,640
Are there suppliers who procure the drugs?
451
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,920
Are there employees whose job it is
to send the packages
452
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,920
and so on and so forth?
453
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,360
Their investigations had no direction.
454
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,040
I think the fact that he's analysing
our investigations is a bit outrageous.
455
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,280
Because in the end
it didn't do him any good.
456
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,320
[eerie music playing]
457
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,120
[deep rumbling]
458
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,640
[rumbling grows louder]
459
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,000
[intense bleeping]
460
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,520
[whirring]
461
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,520
[clank of machinery]
462
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,920
[downtempo beat playing]
463
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,760
[music continues]
464
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,520
One thing Maximilian had fun with
465
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,240
is that he would always put a little
packet of gummy bears in the envelope.
466
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,240
[Max] Of course people liked it.
467
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,480
One person said, "Great!
First gummy bears, then drugs."
468
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,240
Another person said: "I sell the drugs
and then I've still got the gummy bears."
469
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,160
Basically it was just an idea…
470
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,160
to add another positive feature
to the customer service.
471
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,160
It's so simple,
but people talked about it.
472
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,440
At first, you could order anything.
473
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,760
Then someone ordered 17 grammes of MDMA,
474
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,440
which is of course totally stupid
if you have to package it all.
475
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,480
Seventeen!
You can't even prepare that much.
476
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,800
Unless maybe you take ten, five and two.
477
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,800
You've already got those prepared
478
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,360
because you pre-measure
things that sell frequently.
479
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,720
I had to measure out
one gramme, one gramme, one gramme…
480
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,320
Not one gramme here and 15 grammes there.
481
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,240
If you measure out that many in a row
482
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,920
you start to develop a feel for it.
483
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,440
Later, in prison,
I was working in the kitchen
484
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,720
and one time I had to add 300 millilitres
of cherry compote to the semolina.
485
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,600
That was pretty easy for me!
486
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:48,880
[downtempo beat continues]
487
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:01,840
For the duration of this year,
488
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,720
or a little over a year,
489
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,680
this person lived only
to commit multiple crimes per day.
490
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,680
That means he got up
every morning and said,
491
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,480
"I'm going to continue
committing this crime."
492
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,360
And not just by selling one pill today,
493
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,160
or ten grammes of marijuana tomorrow,
494
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:21,160
but instead:
"I'm going to do it on a large scale
495
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,000
and make money."
496
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,480
[director] Didn't you
ever feel guilty about it?
497
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,560
In what sense?
498
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,840
[director] Did you worry
that you might be harming people?
499
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,480
Uh, I didn't necessarily feel guilty
about whether it might be harming anyone.
500
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,240
Because for me the logical reasoning was:
501
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,240
"If they don't get it from me
they'll get it from someone else."
502
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,800
[message alert]
503
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,720
Yes…
504
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,000
In his case there is direct harm.
505
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,680
If I hit someone,
506
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,120
I see their injured face
or their bruised eye, for example.
507
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,840
But with this case, the harm is anonymous.
508
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,840
And perhaps it's for that reason that
the thought process is different here.
509
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,520
[ambient music playing]
510
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,000
XTC - green Chupa Chups
SHINY FLAKES EXCLUSIVE
511
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,640
[Max] My low prices
were the result of the fact
512
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:02,440
that I purchased extremely large
quantities from my suppliers, and…
513
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,440
over time, I found
the best suppliers out there.
514
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,960
[Max] I was in contact with,
for example, Dutchmasters.
515
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,320
Whenever they brought out a new pill,
516
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,880
they would make
maybe one to two million of them,
517
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,360
and I would order
100,000, 150,000 straight away.
518
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,360
[cash register ringing]
519
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,600
Is it even possible
for such a young person,
520
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,960
19 at the time, and then later 20,
521
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,080
to run something like this on their own?
522
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,640
We had serious doubts
right up until the end.
523
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,240
Simply because of all the effort
that was required,
524
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,560
and because of all the logistics,
which were enormous.
525
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,560
[pulsing music playing]
526
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,320
The courier couldn't have had any idea
that he was delivering right to my house.
527
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,640
I said to him: "Hey, send your guy there.
Then they'll meet."
528
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,120
Of course I always talked
in the third person.
529
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,120
I couldn't say, "I'll come and meet you."
That would sound very unprofessional.
530
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,280
And then if 200 kilos came at once,
531
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,080
which happened one time, you had to walk
up to the fourth floor a few times.
532
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,920
Unfortunately there wasn't a lift.
533
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,240
No, I didn't worry
that someone would steal it.
534
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,040
I mean, even if someone did,
535
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,280
they wouldn't say,
"Hey, Officer, I found some drugs."
536
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,760
At least I don't think so.
537
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,000
[hammering in bedroom]
538
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,120
[Stefan Costabel]
He led his own life in the flat.
539
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,920
And the mother knew nothing about her son.
540
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,920
She didn't know what time he got up,
she didn't know…
541
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,680
She knew that he cooked.
542
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,000
The only thing she did for him
was the laundry.
543
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,320
Which, however, he would fold
in the laundry basket himself
544
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,600
and then take it to his room.
545
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,320
And it is true that the mother
actually did not go into her son's room
546
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,840
for over a year.
547
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,000
The investigation showed that the son,
548
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,680
independently
from his millions in revenue,
549
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,200
would actually return
the family's recyclables
550
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,920
as part of the national recycling scheme,
551
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,320
and they had agreed
552
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,200
that he could then keep
the money he got from that scheme
553
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,960
as a kind of supplement
to his pocket money.
554
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,080
[Dr. Hieronymus]
Mr. Schmidt was not very willing
555
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,480
to talk about his family
or close relatives.
556
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,480
Perhaps it's because he wants
to be seen as an individual
557
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,600
rather than as part of a family unit,
or as part of a community of sorts,
558
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,040
because then that community
would also have to deal
559
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,480
with these uncomfortable questions.
560
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,600
"How did you end up like this?"
561
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,200
And I think
that he is actually ashamed of it.
562
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,840
[Ricardo Schultz]
It's one of the peculiarities of this case
563
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,480
that someone who wasn't
technically a criminal…
564
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,520
Not only "technically"
but not at all a criminal…
565
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,720
this person, with the help of the Internet
is capable, in a very short time,
566
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,280
of committing crimes on this scale.
567
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:03,360
If you sit down with a psychologist
they'll ask this exact question:
568
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,280
"When was the moment you said to yourself,
'Hey, being a criminal is okay.'?"
569
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,200
But this question, at least for me
as a 14, 15, 16-year-old,
570
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,920
didn't enter my mind.
571
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,960
It's not as if you're thinking,
"Hey, I'll go rob a bank now."
572
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,160
It's more something
you feel your way into.
573
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,200
When you first visit a website like this,
574
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,640
that's about hacking and Internet fraud,
575
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,280
it's definitely different
to what people imagine.
576
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,760
Hacking a webcam???
577
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,760
[Max] My first experience on these boards
was simply being among like-minded people.
578
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,600
At that time, I was just a boy
who wanted to cause a lot of trouble.
579
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,160
How do I steal passwords?
580
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,000
Check out this tool
581
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,680
[Max] You feel yourself
get pulled into the situation,
582
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,960
as if you were in another world.
583
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,960
Planting keyloggers or Trojans
on people were the first steps.
584
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,360
And it would be like, "Ha, I did it!"
585
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,360
And now, I don't know, I can watch through
their webcam or something like that.
586
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,520
That's just a stupid example.
587
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,800
Usually you'd get your hands
on some kind of login data.
588
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,440
And then you could log in and delete
the person's profile or something.
589
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,800
Just trolling around.
590
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,440
Or you'd get into their eBay account
and post something just for fun.
591
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,040
When you're 14, 15,
you do things like that.
592
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,960
Maybe. I mean, there are people
like that. Maybe I was one of them.
593
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,640
It was really pretty pointless,
but you just did it.
594
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,520
I mean, the goal wasn't to empty out
someone's bank account straight away.
595
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,360
You would maybe start
doing something like that later on,
596
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,120
when your interests changed and you
realised: "I can make money with this."
597
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,520
This is his application. CV…
598
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,680
Yeah, his cover letter.
599
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,600
"Hardworking, punctual, conscientious."
600
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,640
CV
601
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,680
[Max] I finished school and thought:
602
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,600
"I have to do something now."
603
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,240
Then I started working as a waiter,
604
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,600
because that was a job
you could get straight away.
605
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,720
I kind of had fun being a waiter, because
on the one hand you're close to people,
606
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,520
and people always said to me,
"Hey, that's not your thing."
607
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,360
And on the other hand it was so distanced
608
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,880
because it was
this standard service procedure.
609
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,120
"There's a guest coming in."
Be friendly, blah, blah, blah.
610
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,360
Show them to their seats, do this
and that… It's a very simple job.
611
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,040
He only accepted other people's authority
612
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,880
when he was certain
that they knew more than him
613
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,240
and that they could do more than him.
614
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Otherwise he didn't accept any authority.
615
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,480
All the routine tasks
that everyone had to do at a relaxed tempo
616
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,960
were boring for him.
617
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,200
It wasn't his thing.
618
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,520
He always wanted to be
moving quickly, to get things done.
619
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,680
To be the first, to be meticulous.
620
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,840
For that reason he was annoyed
by the colleagues who weren't perfect.
621
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,160
He would say, "It has to be perfect
for everyone, for the whole team."
622
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,680
He couldn't stand anything being off.
623
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,160
If anyone did something different
to how Max thought it should be,
624
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,000
I wouldn't have to do anything
because Max sorted it out.
625
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,680
He'd say: "Fix it. Do it better." Yeah.
626
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,920
That's classic overconfidence.
627
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,840
[computer beeps]
628
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,200
We said: "What do you do in the evenings?
Don't you go out, don't you go clubbing?
629
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,040
What do you do at home?" And he said:
630
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,920
"I sit at my laptop, and I do stuff."
631
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,280
Yeah. But of course he didn't say
what is was that he was doing.
632
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,000
My profile picture
on Crimenetwork was Kim Jong Un,
633
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,760
the North Korean dictator.
634
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,000
He's cool, I mean the way he looks.
635
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,600
As for what he does in North Korea,
no idea!
636
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,840
On Crimenetwork, there are various levels.
637
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,240
There's these newly registered users,
638
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,920
and the first and second levels.
639
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,120
And you have the moderators,
the administrators who run the board.
640
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,880
And then there's also an elite level.
641
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,880
I was practically a category unto myself.
642
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,240
[director] How did you
achieve that status?
643
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,560
It's hard to say,
because it involves these backstories.
644
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,800
And for me, what happened
or didn't happen before isn't relevant.
645
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,600
This is about drugs,
and that's where it will stay.
646
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,760
Learning the Basics
647
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,160
Make money with stolen credit cards
648
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,200
[Petric Kleine] It was a refuge for him.
He was somebody important on there.
649
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,160
He meant something.
650
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:15,320
People talked about him on there.
651
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,400
He was seen as a big deal.
652
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,000
He was flattered by all that.
He liked all that.
653
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,600
This was his world,
where he got the recognition
654
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,640
that seemed to be missing elsewhere.
655
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,560
[director] Would you have liked
to keep him on?
656
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,080
-Yes.
-Of course.
657
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,080
[Max] I did it for about a year and half,
658
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,560
and then it happened that we were
assigned tasks by the boss herself.
659
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,800
And I was already in a bad mood that day.
660
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,520
Then she came up to me and said,
661
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,560
"Mr Schmidt, if you don't want to work,
you can go home."
662
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,920
So, "Okay, then I'll go." And I left.
663
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,400
Because at that moment
I didn't exactly need the money.
664
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,680
And, since I was so young,
it happened very quickly,
665
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,880
the thing that brings us here today.
666
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,520
Max will open
his own wonderful restaurant one day.
667
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,600
Or a nice chic bar.
668
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,040
Max was… at least it seemed
that way when he was here…
669
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,840
He was born to be a boss!
670
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,640
That should be his goal, we thought.
671
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,520
[director] He did get his own shop.
672
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:20,920
Yeah.
673
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:29,080
[machinery whirring]
674
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,040
[whirring intensifies]
675
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,600
[Petric Kleine] We took various approaches
with the investigation.
676
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:59,720
A similar package was found
in Baden-Württemberg.
677
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,800
And the investigations
carried out by our colleagues there
678
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,160
indicated that
the recipient of this package
679
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,600
browsed a particular site very frequently.
680
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,480
And so then we became aware
of the site's existence.
681
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,160
We were shocked.
682
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,960
Here was someone
brazenly dealing narcotics
683
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,360
on the freely accessible Internet.
684
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,920
We went through every single page
on the website, front to back.
685
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,680
We weren't 't really expecting it to,
but it's typical for online stores…
686
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,600
actually it's required by law…
687
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,000
It had a "company information" page.
688
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,400
Let's get the party started!
689
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,240
A company information page…
has not yet been found.
690
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,160
[Petric Kleine]
Where is this shop registered?
691
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,400
Where is the domain registered
for the shop?
692
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:08,520
Always with the goal
of finding a loose thread.
693
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,040
We found out where the server was.
694
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,600
The whole thing was connected upstream
695
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,120
with an encryption mechanism
that's based in the USA.
696
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,160
[Max] The operator CloudFlare
was mostly there
697
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,600
so that if the website is attacked
by competitors or other people,
698
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,440
the website stays online.
699
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,360
It shows how incompetent they are when
they claim it was used for concealment,
700
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,000
while actually it was
for a technical reason.
701
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,480
[Petric Kleine] We asked them about it.
702
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,240
They stated that they would
inform the person in question
703
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,280
about the police's activities.
704
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,600
Of course we didn't want that.
705
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,320
Investigation into this is futile.
706
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,280
PRINT
707
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,000
The investigation authorities
weren't getting anywhere,
708
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,120
and then a letter came
from California asking:
709
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,080
"Who are you? Leipzig public prosecutor's
office? We really don't care."
710
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,880
Policeman or not, hacker or whatever,
711
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,720
if you didn't like it,
there was nothing you could do.
712
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,360
The website was running.
713
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,720
Well, I admit,
714
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,320
I had to laugh,
because it's a really impressive feat.
715
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,880
Not just anyone could pull this off.
716
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,640
Well, you feel really powerless.
717
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,880
You have to realise
that there is no equality of arms
718
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,280
between the perpetrators
and law enforcement.
719
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,400
The reason for this is because we don't
have many legal options available to us,
720
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,800
and the perpetrators
have better options available.
721
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,600
And yet we still always had leads
that we could continue working on.
722
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,400
[techno music playing]
723
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,920
[Max] Around the end of December 2014,
I got in a little over my head.
724
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,760
[phone ringing]
725
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,920
[many phones ringing]
726
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,040
[Max] Small details and server problems.
727
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,120
Mail traffic problems.
728
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,920
The device for sealing
the aluminium bags would break.
729
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,800
Lost packages that you would worry about.
730
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,640
All of that messes
with the rhythm of your process,
731
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,880
and slowly but surely, a backlog built up.
732
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,680
And so that led to me making these
gigantic portions of spaghetti bolognese,
733
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:41,880
eating at six in the morning
or four in the afternoon.
734
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,720
When you no longer have
a steady daily rhythm
735
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,200
and you're just packing cocaine
from 12 a.m. to 6 a.m.
736
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,240
it's neither healthy nor effective.
737
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,920
He said that sometimes,
and this appeared in his statements,
738
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,000
that he only slept three or four hours
so he could catch up with his packaging.
739
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,920
Whether or not at this point
he still thought that it was a game,
740
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,280
I couldn't say.
741
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,280
[machinery whirring]
742
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,880
[intense bleeping]
743
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,680
[whirring and bleeping intensify]
744
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,080
[cacophony of message alerts]
745
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,160
In the end I had maybe
15,150 orders per day.
746
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,840
And at the height of everything,
747
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,960
I was making 100,000 euros
in sales per day.
748
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,840
Who knows where that could have led.
But in the end, I was just one person.
749
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:14,560
[eerie music playing]
750
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,800
[Max] It was just too much to manage.
751
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,160
And I didn't question
whether it made sense.
752
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,280
There were no doubts or anything.
There was no room for that.
753
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,680
I really didn't think about it
at that time.
754
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,560
Only once I was in prison.
755
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,640
Yeah, it was like being
on some sort of hamster wheel.
756
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,200
It just keeps going,
no matter how fast you run, or how slowly.
757
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,080
[pulsing music playing]
758
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,600
[radio station chatter, indistinct]
759
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,640
[radio station chatter continues]
760
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,600
[Max] Because I was constantly
shipping from different locations,
761
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,520
it's just impossible to trace that.
762
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,920
Even if you trace the postmark, okay,
it was dropped in such and such a postbox,
763
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,920
but with 50 or 100 postboxes
you have in a big city like Leipzig,
764
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,920
you can go to a different one every day.
765
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,840
What are the police supposed to do,
monitor every postbox?
766
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,960
Unidentified Male Person (UMP)
767
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,880
UMP collecting a package
from package compartment
768
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,280
UMP removing a further package
from compartment
769
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,600
We were able to trace it.
770
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,240
It's certainly true that he was
very careful with how he went about it.
771
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,000
But he also didn't know
that he was under observation.
772
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,880
That's the point of observation.
773
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,400
UMP holding removed package in hands
774
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:22,200
As part of his psychological evaluation,
I asked him why he got caught,
775
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,760
and his answer was,
"It wasn't because of me,
776
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,000
it was because someone else
did a bad job."
777
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,880
Someone he was associated with.
778
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,440
Here again we see this attitude of,
"I can only rely on myself."
779
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,400
But he did in fact
have a couple of contacts.
780
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,200
And that's where he tripped up.
781
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,760
[message alert]
782
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,880
They arrested Red Bull and his people
783
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,600
I assume they had been watching him
over a long period of time
784
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,960
Who were the others?
785
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:05,120
Was one of them the guy
who recently drove across Germany for us?
786
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,320
The cops held him for one day
787
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,360
and then let him go
788
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:18,840
I don't get it either
789
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,800
maybe as bait
790
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,080
Could be that the cops will lay off now
791
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,520
Because they think
they arrested the main suspect
792
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,920
Maybe not though
793
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,160
Better safe than sorry.
794
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,360
[Max] I don't know
what mistakes Redbull made
795
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,600
that got the police on his tail.
796
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,800
But I do know that they found me
as a result of those mistakes.
797
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,480
In the files,
798
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,720
it said that they followed him
to where he dropped off the post,
799
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,400
and saw a lot of large,
suspicious packages there
800
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,800
that were being sent to Leipzig.
801
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,040
Then they followed those,
because it was unusual,
802
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,520
and that's how they then got
to the package station
803
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,520
that I would often use.
804
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,440
There were undercover investigations,
805
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,120
there were observations,
there was telephone surveillance.
806
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,560
The whole shebang.
807
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:34,560
Time of recording:
18.02.2015, 4:57 p.m.
808
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,360
[Max] On February 26th, 2015,
809
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,360
I woke up relatively late.
810
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,080
I'd say around ten.
811
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,960
Because I had to work into the night.
812
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,960
And I think around 11 or 12
813
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,640
was when the courier came.
814
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,040
[Petric Kleine] Right up until the end,
815
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,760
we assumed that it must be several people.
816
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:29,280
One person handling all that on their own
seemed to us relatively impossible.
817
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,880
It's assumed
that criminal groups like this
818
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,840
usually tend to be armed.
819
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,720
[drill whirring]
820
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,240
[Max] I think at around 2 p.m.
I heard drilling.
821
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,040
And I asked myself, who's drilling here?
822
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,600
It sounded pretty close. "Oh well."
823
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,600
Police! Police!
824
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,560
Police! Don't move!
825
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,520
Hands in the air!
826
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,080
It wasn't fear I felt.
827
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,440
More just a feeling
of disbelief that it was happening.
828
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,480
How can this be? How did they find me?
829
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,560
Why should they be here for me?
830
01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:00,160
[tense music playing]
831
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:13,160
[Max] But it became clear pretty quickly
that they were here for me.
832
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,320
[assistant director]
And cut! Thank you, cut.
833
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,960
-[Max] That was great.
-[cop] Yeah, I thought so too, actually.
834
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,560
I'm glad it went smoothly.
835
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,560
But it was super unsettling,
because it all feels so real in here.
836
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,080
You wait and you know what's coming.
And it's a bad memory.
837
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,800
[cop] I think that's a great statement.
"A bad memory." That's good.
838
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,040
But now I can laugh about it. Great.
839
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,520
Yeah, I don't know.
840
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,680
On the one hand it's unpleasant,
but on the other hand it's also like…
841
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,320
Yeah, like confrontation therapy, I'd say.
842
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,720
Every time I hear the word "police"
shouted, it's a bit less stressful.
843
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,240
Masked men with machine guns in my room.
844
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,760
They smacked the machine gun
across my face.
845
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,479
They threw me to the floor
and handcuffed me.
846
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,040
Then they walked over me several times.
847
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,399
Probably because there was so little room,
848
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,560
but also probably because
they enjoyed doing it.
849
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,960
So yeah, and I just lay there
for what felt like an hour.
850
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,560
That's how he sees it.
851
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,920
That's probably how he justifies it.
852
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,920
Some of it would have
actually happened that way,
853
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,279
but it would be unusual for him
to be able to remember it blow-by-blow.
854
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:55,160
An arrest doesn't just go something like:
855
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,720
"Lie down," and "Please be quiet,"
856
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,399
and "Place your hands on your back."
857
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,240
It's much more hands-on.
858
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:28,840
[newsreader 1] The dealer,
a young man just turned 20,
859
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,840
sold these drugs over the Internet.
860
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,520
[newsreader 2] As well as marijuana,
LSD and hashish,
861
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,560
also prescription medication.
862
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,479
Drug dealing 2.0.
This is something unparalleled in Germany.
863
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,920
[newsreader 2] One of the largest
drug busts ever to occur in Germany.
864
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,600
EXHIBIT 182
865
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,399
[pulsing music playing]
866
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:04,600
[Petric Kleine] At the time
our colleagues reported back to us:
867
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,520
"Yeah, there's a large quantity
of narcotics in the room."
868
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:11,240
And we of course asked:
"What does 'a large quantity' mean?"
869
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,200
At first it was ten, 20 kilos.
870
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,520
Then 100 kilos.
871
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,720
And then 15 minutes later
872
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,840
when our colleagues requested a van,
873
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,920
we knew that more than 100 kilos
had been seized from the flat.
874
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,280
Orders worth around 4 million.
875
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,680
A tonne. We're talking about a tonne.
876
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,320
I think that more than one champagne cork
popped in Leipzig that day.
877
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,760
We were proud that our investigation
had been a success.
878
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:14,080
I was still at home,
and a police officer came into the room,
879
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,080
stood in the doorframe and just said…
880
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,800
"Ten years."
881
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,640
And then he walked out.
882
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,880
That was my first indication
of where things were going.
883
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,880
[moderator 1] The judges have decided.
What's the verdict?
884
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,280
[moderator 2]
Seven years of juvenile detention
885
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,640
and he must pay the state
three million euros
886
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,720
from the proceeds of his drug deals.
887
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,480
Max, the so-called
"children's bedroom dealer"
888
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,480
will spend seven years in juvenile prison
according to the Leipzig Regional Court.
889
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,560
The judge called it serious criminality.
890
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,280
He made a full confession,
which favoured the 20-year-old.
891
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,640
Experts attested
to his emotional immaturity,
892
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,680
which is why he's been
sentenced as a minor.
893
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:12,080
When there is doubt
about someone's moral maturity,
894
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,080
and in my view this was the case with him,
895
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:20,400
then it's appropriate to refrain
from sentencing as an adult.
896
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:30,640
[ambient music playing]
897
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:07,800
[male voices echoing in hallway]
898
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,800
[slam]
899
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,280
[key turning in lock]
900
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:33,480
[Max] At first I was extremely impressed
when I saw the prison.
901
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:41,400
Then I was overcome
with a calm and relaxing feeling
902
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:43,880
and I was able to switch off
for the first time
903
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,240
after months of non-stop working.
904
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,560
[ambient music continues]
905
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,840
I don't know where the feeling came from,
but it was good.
906
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:09,000
He has not shown any remorse or guilt.
907
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,400
He seemed to me to be very calm
908
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,760
and also very in control of himself.
909
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,320
And unperturbed.
910
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,320
Quite emotionally detached.
911
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:24,000
And I could also see
a bit of pride in his eyes.
912
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,080
When the news came on RTL or whatever…
913
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:33,640
about something with
300 kilogrammes of drugs and a Maximilian,
914
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,040
who was now in custody in Leipzig,
915
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:37,720
the whole prison went mad,
916
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,480
and everyone started
banging on the bars like…
917
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:45,120
"Hey! He's here! Who is it?"
918
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,520
But they all kind of celebrated it.
919
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,680
Legends must be free
920
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,640
Shame he got busted
921
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,920
For him it was about fame.
It was about glory and honour.
922
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,160
"Commando" aims to get
teen drug lord out of jail
923
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,840
"Free Shiny" commando wanted
to free Maximilian from Leipzig prison
924
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,800
-Top man
-Ridiculous he got such a long sentence
925
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:17,320
1 Tonne of Drugs in Teen's Bedroom
926
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,240
Now the drug baron's customers
are quaking in their boots
927
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,760
[intense music playing]
928
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,000
[Petric Kleine] That was
one of the aims of the search:
929
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,680
not just to secure the drugs
or find the cash,
930
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,360
but also to find clues
for how we could get into the computer.
931
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,320
And the perpetrator, or Mr Schmidt,
932
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,320
tried to do everything possible
to prevent anyone from accessing the data.
933
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,800
It took an exceptional performance
from the IT forensics team
934
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,800
at the Criminal Investigation Department
to manage it.
935
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:04,400
[director] And how did they do it?
936
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,920
[Max] Well, it's an exceptional
performance from the IT forensics team
937
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,480
to go through my stuff and find something
where I'd written down a password.
938
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,560
If that's an exceptional performance,
hurrah! It was just dumb luck.
939
01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:30,560
Well, yeah,
under a pile of rubbish, you could say,
940
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:35,600
there was a small piece of paper that,
thank God, the investigators noticed,
941
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:41,200
and it ended up having
the indecipherable password written on it.
942
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,200
It was very, very long.
943
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,480
I didn't answer the question
in the press conference, that's correct.
944
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,800
The reason was simply that
I didn't want to lead other perpetrators
945
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:04,520
to believe that we had run out of options
and that we were helpless.
946
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,640
Of course things like this
involve carelessness,
947
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,560
the human factor and human error.
948
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:13,600
[ping]
949
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:22,080
The shop was effectively online
from late December 2013
950
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:23,840
until the end of February 2015.
951
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,840
SUSPICIOUSLY GOOD JOBS!
SAXONY POLICE
952
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,040
From then on,
the police had access to the website
953
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,240
and they used it to promote themselves.
954
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,080
I don't know if that's actually legal.
955
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,080
Maybe I should make a complaint
about that.
956
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,360
Shiny Flakes got busted…
957
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,720
Is there a database
with all the customers?
958
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,880
How could someone order drugs
to their real-life address?
959
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,880
I ordered there but didn't pay.
960
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,960
I'm in Bavaria and I'm scared,
can anything happen to me?
961
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,840
Orders.xlsx
962
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,960
[Max] The order list they found contained
about 13,000, 14,000 data sets.
963
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,160
That means 13,000, 14,000 shipments.
964
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,680
[Ricardo Schultz] It was a great
stroke of luck for the investigators.
965
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,080
There was concrete data.
966
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,800
It was possible to see addresses,
to see names.
967
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,360
It was also possible to see
what these individuals had ordered.
968
01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:35,040
Of course they were happy about it.
They were thrilled.
969
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,000
[Max] At first
I didn't realise the extent of it,
970
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,480
because no one said to me,
971
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,040
"Hey, we've now begun
about 4,000 criminal proceedings."
972
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,880
Instead, at some point
court orders started coming in.
973
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,920
They said,
"You are summoned as a witness."
974
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,720
Even before my own trial was over,
I had been summoned as a witness.
975
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,040
For every court hearing he attended,
976
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,480
a separate form had to be filled out.
977
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,760
This is the sixth volume.
978
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,120
You can see how much paperwork
he produced while in detention!
979
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,920
JUNE 2019
980
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,560
WITNESS APPOINTMENT
FOR CUSTOMER TRIAL
981
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,800
-Hello.
-You have an appointment?
982
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,440
-Yep.
-Good.
983
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,800
Hello, Mr Schmidt.
I'm afraid the hearing is already over.
984
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,360
He gave a full confession
so we no longer need your testimony.
985
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:52,000
Great.
986
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,360
-It was not foreseeable.
-Yeah, as always.
987
01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:57,120
-Of course you've travelled a long way.
-Yeah.
988
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,520
-But you will receive compensation.
-Super.
989
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,560
If you give me the summons, I can sign it.
990
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,200
I'll need to have
a new copy printed out, I'm afraid.
991
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,520
-You don't have the summons with you?
-No, I lost it.
992
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,760
-Okay, we can create a new one.
-Super.
993
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:11,960
Where do I have to go?
994
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,560
You just walk over here.
And then turn right.
995
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,880
-And who am I looking for?
-You'll have to sign in downstairs.
996
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,400
Great.
997
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,880
You were summoned as a witness
for a proceeding?
998
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,600
[Max] I can't understand a word.
999
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,600
You were summoned as a witness
for a proceeding?
1000
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,960
-Uh, yes.
-And where is the summons?
1001
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:37,080
I lost it. That's why I need to request
a new witness compensation form, please.
1002
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:38,840
Who told you that?
1003
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,720
The guy at the entrance over there.
By the court.
1004
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,160
-The guy?
-Yeah, I don't know his name.
1005
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,840
-Okay.
-Someone in a uniform.
1006
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:51,360
You have to have the form printed out
from the corresponding department.
1007
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:55,840
You can't print it? I'm running around
because you guys are disorganised?
1008
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,000
That's handled by the service department.
1009
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,040
Fine.
1010
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,640
So annoying. This sucks.
1011
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,360
Was that anything to do with my crime?
1012
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,520
[Max] I was called as a witness
for hundreds of proceedings.
1013
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,400
In the end that meant
that I was always travelling.
1014
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,120
I couldn't receive visitors,
couldn't do my laundry,
1015
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,760
couldn't receive any letters
since I was away from my facility.
1016
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,120
I was completely isolated.
1017
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,360
I'm tearing up!
1018
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,440
-[director] No sympathy?
-No.
1019
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,240
One day you'll know why.
1020
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,840
[man] I saw a TV crew,
Googled him to see what he looks like,
1021
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,360
and I saw that was his face, yeah.
1022
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:07,960
I knew he was coming here because of me.
And they couldn't cancel you so late.
1023
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,520
I admitted to everything, that's why.
It only lasted half an hour.
1024
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,680
[Max] Okay. And what did they give you?
1025
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,040
[man] Three years' probation.
1,000-euro fine.
1026
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,320
-[Max] Not too bad.
-[man] Not too bad.
1027
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,960
Yeah, they say, "It was such
a long time ago, won't happen again."
1028
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,240
-That's what it looks like.
-"Nice guy. Doesn't cause trouble."
1029
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,560
Yeah, they couldn't prove
I was selling, anyway.
1030
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,880
It was more of a purchasing cooperative.
1031
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,240
What quantities are we talking,
in the trial?
1032
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,080
Four kilos of speed,
100 grammes of MDMA, cocaine…
1033
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,680
-Then you got off easy.
-I did get off really easy!
1034
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:45,360
Yep, yep…
1035
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,240
"Purchasing cooperative?"
1036
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,080
That's why they couldn't… I mean,
"personal use" is what they said, yeah.
1037
01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:00,800
Great.
1038
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,600
[man] I was really lucky, yeah.
1039
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:07,040
-And you're on day release now?
-Yeah, I get out next month.
1040
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,400
Okay. So it was worth it, right?
1041
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:10,920
I think so!
1042
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,280
Did they find all the Bitcoins in the end?
1043
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,640
I don't know. They say there's more,
I say there's no more…
1044
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,160
It's kind of a standoff.
1045
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,800
No one really knows what… Yeah, well.
1046
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,640
-So, this is my stop. All the best.
-Take care. Stay out of trouble!
1047
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:32,960
[both laughing]
1048
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:34,560
[man] See you.
1049
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,560
[Ricardo Schultz]
That was one of the questions
1050
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,200
that was asked
during the investigations, of course,
1051
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:49,800
and afterwards as well:
1052
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,880
"What happened to all the money?"
1053
01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:00,640
Income, "Shiny-Flakes"
From 12 wallets
1054
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,920
[Petric Kleine] The revenue
from the opened wallets
1055
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,320
amounted to 350,000 euros.
1056
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,520
At the end of it all, yeah, we admit
we couldn't open two wallets.
1057
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,240
What's inside them, we don't know.
1058
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:24,160
The fact that many people can't imagine
1059
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,920
that this money somehow disappeared,
1060
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,040
but rather that it was hidden somewhere,
1061
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,640
is very understandable.
1062
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,760
They form their own opinion and say,
"Of course there's something in there."
1063
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,080
No one can prove it, no one can trace it.
1064
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,400
If I had access, I could say,
"Here, look, there's nothing in there."
1065
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:55,960
And if there was something in there,
I wouldn't necessarily reveal it.
1066
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,480
Max isn't rich, no. I don't think so.
1067
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,360
[director] So what is stopping you
from saying,
1068
01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:20,800
"I don't have a single cent of it?"
1069
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:24,120
Yeah, one could say that.
1070
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,960
-[director] Is that true?
-Yeah, one could say that.
1071
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,520
Well, one could put it that way.
1072
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:44,280
[director] We only report things
that represent the truth.
1073
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,960
-Yeah.
-[director] So is there any money left?
1074
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,720
Well, in that wallet,
there's definitely not one cent.
1075
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,200
I know that much.
1076
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,520
-[director] Do you still have any of it?
-I don't think so.
1077
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:03,000
All I got from the business
was experience and lost time.
1078
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,280
-Not a cent?
-Not a cent.
1079
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,760
We'll see what the future brings.
1080
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:15,960
[director] What does that mean?
1081
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,680
Well, we are indeed watching him
1082
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,000
to see if he commits further offences.
1083
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,040
He's out on probation after all.
1084
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,760
There might be opportunities.
1085
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,120
He might, for example, use his knowledge
1086
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,320
and the financial means
that certainly still exist
1087
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,160
to commit further offences.
1088
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:40,080
-[director] You already have suspicions?
-I won't comment on that.
1089
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,240
[director] So, yes?
1090
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,240
JUNE 2020
1091
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,920
ONE YEAR OF FREEDOM
1092
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,280
[Max] After my arrest,
1093
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,480
I spent a total of four years
and seven months in prison.
1094
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,040
There are procedures
where they can decide,
1095
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:28,000
"Okay, his behaviour has been good,
he has good social prospects."
1096
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,480
Then there's an assessor who says, "Okay,
1097
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,080
he seems to be heading
in the right direction.
1098
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,280
We'll give him a chance
to get out earlier."
1099
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,600
[director] Do you have any plans?
1100
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,040
At the moment I'm working in a car park.
1101
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,240
-[director] Is that true?
-Yeah!
1102
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:52,760
[director] What do you do there?
1103
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,120
These are detailed questions.
1104
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,400
Car stuff.
1105
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:08,600
Yeah, well… office stuff at the car park.
1106
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,880
[ambient music playing]
1107
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,640
[laughing]
1108
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,280
[Max] "Eat & Meat." Not sure what that is.
1109
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:41,840
[Max] We're going to go to the Reichstag.
1110
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:49,480
[babble of conversation]
1111
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,760
At first Max swiped left on me
but he came back because he thought,
1112
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,800
-"Oh, she's really cute."
-I have Premium. I could go back.
1113
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,680
I could say,
"Oh, shit, yeah. I do like her."
1114
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:05,680
I was like, "Ahh, gone. Ahh, actually no."
1115
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:11,000
We went for ice cream,
and then we went into a stationery shop
1116
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,920
because my girlfriend needed stamps
to send an important letter.
1117
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,880
And that was the first time
I could shine with my postage knowledge
1118
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,280
and I said,
1119
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,680
"For the large-format envelope
this small stamp won't be enough."
1120
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,720
Right! I thought about that afterwards,
like, "He knows a lot about this stuff."
1121
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,440
That was something!
1122
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:35,240
How can it be, that he didn't say
anything about it the whole time?
1123
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,080
Well, you don't always have
to rush into things, do you?
1124
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,720
Sooner or later
that kind of thing will come out.
1125
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,760
It definitely always comes up
in conversation.
1126
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,760
Who Max is, what he's been through.
1127
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,400
It always goes down really well.
1128
01:29:49,480 --> 01:29:53,320
-Thank you for having such a good story.
-My pleasure. Happy to help.
1129
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,360
Do you have a story that you tell people
when they ask what you do for a living,
1130
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:01,920
or do you just say… nothing?
1131
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,880
-Yeah, of course. I work at the car park.
-Really? That's your story?
1132
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:07,840
-Yeah.
-Okay!
1133
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,160
[everyone laughs]
1134
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:17,280
He tends to beat about the bush
and he doesn't want to tell very much.
1135
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:21,160
And that's okay, I mean…
I'm not going to keep prying.
1136
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,760
He doesn't have to tell me
if he doesn't want to.
1137
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,600
[director] How important is it
for you to have friends?
1138
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,320
Uh, kind of important.
1139
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,480
Wow!
1140
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,760
[friend] I can give
a better answer than that!
1141
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:42,120
Do you have a template?
1142
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:46,160
When you're with Max, he always asks,
"Do you want anything else to drink?
1143
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,520
Do you want an ice cream? I'll get it.
What do you want to eat? "
1144
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,840
Yeah, it's really nice. Yeah.
1145
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,240
But we still have
to teach Max to ride a bike.
1146
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,680
So that's still on the list
for this summer.
1147
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:00,440
Yeah, I mean,
some things you save for later.
1148
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,240
And… this year I'll be learning
how to ride a bike.
1149
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,120
I've never owned a bike, that's why.
1150
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,040
[director] Do you worry
that something could happen?
1151
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,200
No. I mean, he's a sweetheart.
1152
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,240
I don't think anything will happen again.
1153
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:20,920
He'll stay with me!
1154
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:28,840
His mother would probably say that, too:
"He's the sweetest person in the world."
1155
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,360
I think he will be extremely careful
1156
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:35,920
when considering
what risks he takes in the future.
1157
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,760
In my opinion
he won't be committing a second offence.
1158
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,520
And the next question, which at this point
is of course speculative:
1159
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:46,080
"Will he even need to engage
in criminal activity again?"
1160
01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:52,640
[ambient music playing]
1161
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:08,840
[music intensifies]
1162
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:26,320
[moderator] August 26th, 2020.
1163
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,840
In a raid conducted by the Leipzig police,
1164
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,160
large quantities of narcotics and cash
have been seized.
1165
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:35,360
Four men and one woman
aged between 22 and 41
1166
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:37,880
are suspected of drug trafficking.
1167
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:41,640
According to the authorities
investigations are still ongoing.
1168
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,400
They're currently focusing on
the examination and evaluation of evidence
1169
01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:48,600
such as the seized computer technology.
1170
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,760
MARCH 2021
1171
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,040
Good afternoon.
1172
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,400
I have some news.
1173
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,680
I am able to inform you today that…
1174
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:21,760
Mr. S… is under investigation.
1175
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:26,520
He has, once again, together with others,
1176
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,960
begun operating an online shop
which sells illegal drugs.
1177
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,040
The site is operating
under a different name,
1178
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:40,440
but the overall approach and the design
are similar to Shiny-Flakes.
1179
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,360
Mr Schmidt knows
that he is under investigation
1180
01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:55,160
and that he is a suspect.
1181
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:59,040
I think that the evidence is solid,
1182
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:03,840
and I anticipate that the prosecution
will issue an indictment.
1183
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,120
Yeah.
1184
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,760
-[director] Don't want to talk about it?
-No.
1185
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,840
-Why not?
-Because this has nothing to do with it.
1186
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:30,640
[pulsing electronic music playing]
1187
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:51,560
[electronic music intensifies]
1188
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:11,280
The public prosecutor's investigation
into Maximilian Schmidt is still ongoing.
1189
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,400
In the event of an indictment
1190
01:35:13,480 --> 01:35:16,200
he will be presumed innocent
until the conclusion of a court case.
1191
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,880
[electronic music continues]