1 00:00:09,426 --> 00:00:14,431 ** 2 00:00:14,472 --> 00:00:16,558 -My guest today came from my hometown. 3 00:00:16,599 --> 00:00:19,310 Of course, I'm talking about Philadelphia, PA, 4 00:00:19,352 --> 00:00:21,229 and this man, well, he didn't stay in Philadelphia. 5 00:00:21,271 --> 00:00:23,982 He ended up going to Bel-Air. This guy's been killing it. 6 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:26,359 And by killing it, I do mean he is a Oscar winner, 7 00:00:26,401 --> 00:00:28,111 Grammy winner, Golden Globe winner, 8 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:30,488 Critics' Choice winner, People's Choice winner. 9 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:32,073 There's way too many winners to continue, 10 00:00:32,115 --> 00:00:33,825 but the list goes on and on. 11 00:00:33,867 --> 00:00:36,327 More importantly than the wins, well, the guy's also my friend. 12 00:00:36,369 --> 00:00:37,912 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome 13 00:00:37,954 --> 00:00:39,414 Will Smith to the show. [ Sparse applause ] 14 00:00:39,456 --> 00:00:41,499 -Yeah! Yeah! -See that? 15 00:00:41,541 --> 00:00:44,002 -Hey, strangé. Strangé. -You hear that? 16 00:00:44,044 --> 00:00:45,378 Did you hear my audience? -Yes. That was your audience. 17 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:47,005 I feel. I feel that. -You heard it? 18 00:00:47,047 --> 00:00:48,965 It was four of us. -It was four? [ Laughs ] 19 00:00:49,007 --> 00:00:50,550 -It's a very intimate set here. 20 00:00:50,592 --> 00:00:52,510 Very intimate set. -What's up, man? 21 00:00:52,552 --> 00:00:55,096 -Thank you, first of all, for coming on, man. 22 00:00:55,138 --> 00:00:56,598 Well, it's coming. -All right, I'm just saying. 23 00:00:56,639 --> 00:00:59,351 -Can you give it a second? -I've seen the show. 24 00:00:59,392 --> 00:01:01,811 -Yeah. Give it a second. We're gonna fill the glass up. 25 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:03,355 -Okay. -I like the fact that I asked 26 00:01:03,396 --> 00:01:04,856 you to come and you made the time. 27 00:01:04,898 --> 00:01:06,232 You didn't know if you had the time. 28 00:01:06,274 --> 00:01:08,234 -Yes, we're pre-production for "Bad Boys." 29 00:01:08,276 --> 00:01:09,861 -Okay, but -- -But when my man -- you know, 30 00:01:09,903 --> 00:01:11,988 my man call, you know? -Man, don't do that. 31 00:01:12,030 --> 00:01:13,656 -Philly, you know how we do. -Don't do that. 32 00:01:13,698 --> 00:01:16,284 -I was like, we got -- we'll slide over there for a second. 33 00:01:16,326 --> 00:01:17,702 -Slide it at move it back. -Move it back for my man. 34 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:19,120 -Fuck that production! -[ Laughs ] 35 00:01:19,162 --> 00:01:21,456 -Yeah, fuck that. We'll figure it out. 36 00:01:21,498 --> 00:01:23,333 All right, look, you already know what we do. 37 00:01:23,375 --> 00:01:25,043 We drink wine on this show. I believe great conversations 38 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:27,337 happen over great glasses of wine. 39 00:01:27,379 --> 00:01:29,339 This will be a great conversation. 40 00:01:29,381 --> 00:01:30,965 -Yes, sir. -So we do need our wine. 41 00:01:31,007 --> 00:01:32,884 Let me call in my somm. D, come on in, man. 42 00:01:32,926 --> 00:01:34,094 -D. -DLynn. 43 00:01:34,135 --> 00:01:35,261 -DLynn. -That's my somm. 44 00:01:35,303 --> 00:01:36,763 -What's up? -Mr. Smith. 45 00:01:36,805 --> 00:01:38,807 -How you feeling? -Good. How about you? 46 00:01:38,848 --> 00:01:40,392 -Mr. Hart. -What are we drinking today, D? 47 00:01:40,433 --> 00:01:43,812 -A bespoke Syrah from the foothills of the Edna Valley. 48 00:01:43,853 --> 00:01:45,730 -Bespoke Syrah. -2020 vintage. 49 00:01:45,772 --> 00:01:48,858 -I knew you was gonna go '20. -Slide Hill Vineyard. 50 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:50,235 -Mmm! -Less than 100 cases made. 51 00:01:50,276 --> 00:01:52,779 85 cases, to be exact. -Goddamn right, it's 85. 52 00:01:52,821 --> 00:01:55,031 -Shall we? -Nothing but the best for him. 53 00:01:55,073 --> 00:01:56,533 Okay? -Whoa. 54 00:01:56,574 --> 00:01:57,951 -Yeah. There we go. -I'll let you taste, Mr. Hart. 55 00:01:57,992 --> 00:02:00,161 I'll pour for Mr. Smith. -Yes, please. 56 00:02:00,203 --> 00:02:02,497 There you go. -Mm-hmm. 57 00:02:02,539 --> 00:02:05,000 -Kevin Hart, let me see how you do that. Mmm! 58 00:02:05,041 --> 00:02:06,459 -[ Sucks loudly ] -Oh. There you go. 59 00:02:06,501 --> 00:02:09,129 -[ Sucks loudly ] -Mmm. There you go, Kevin. 60 00:02:09,170 --> 00:02:12,048 Now you got to test the legs. First you test the legs. 61 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:13,925 -Absolutely. -Gotta spray the palate, Kev. 62 00:02:13,967 --> 00:02:15,385 You didn't spray your palate. Hold up. 63 00:02:15,427 --> 00:02:17,721 You got to spray your palate. Hold up, hold up. 64 00:02:17,762 --> 00:02:19,097 -[ Slurps loudly ] 65 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:22,100 [ Coughs ] Okay, hold up. That is what -- hold up. 66 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:23,351 That is what you're supposed to do. 67 00:02:23,393 --> 00:02:25,228 That is what -- hold on, hold on. 68 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:26,938 You got to spray your palate. -That's not what you just did. 69 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:28,606 -Can you explain to him spraying your palate? 70 00:02:28,648 --> 00:02:30,316 -I know what it is. But you didn't do that. 71 00:02:30,358 --> 00:02:32,402 -Hold on, hold on. I did it too hard. 72 00:02:32,444 --> 00:02:33,778 -No, you almost killed your fucking self. 73 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:36,406 -I did. I actually did. 74 00:02:36,448 --> 00:02:37,949 I was about the need mouth-to-mouth over here. 75 00:02:37,991 --> 00:02:39,534 Hold on. -I'm watching. 76 00:02:39,576 --> 00:02:41,119 -[ Slurps ] 77 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:42,495 [ Coughs ] -Come on, don't spit 78 00:02:42,537 --> 00:02:44,789 that fucking wine on me. -I almost sprayed it. 79 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:46,458 But no, it's very good. Thank you. 80 00:02:46,499 --> 00:02:48,126 Very welcome. -Hit me up with a little more. 81 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:49,544 -Absolutely. -Yeah. 82 00:02:49,586 --> 00:02:53,173 Spraying your palate is, like, you taste it. 83 00:02:53,214 --> 00:02:55,300 Actually, I did it too hard. I did do it too hard. 84 00:02:55,342 --> 00:02:57,927 But spraying your palate is like... 85 00:02:57,969 --> 00:02:59,929 -[ Slurps ] -No, you're doing it wrong. 86 00:02:59,971 --> 00:03:01,681 -[ Slurps ] -You're doing it wrong. 87 00:03:01,723 --> 00:03:04,559 No, no, no, you don't put it in and then do it. 88 00:03:04,601 --> 00:03:06,519 You do it from the glass. -Yeah, I know that. 89 00:03:06,561 --> 00:03:09,272 I'm trying to show you. Look. -You don't have to show me. 90 00:03:09,314 --> 00:03:10,190 I know. -[ Slurps ] 91 00:03:10,231 --> 00:03:12,150 -Yeah. -[ Sputters ] 92 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:14,152 -Don't do it again. Don't do it again. 93 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:15,987 That's your last time. -Oh, it works. 94 00:03:16,029 --> 00:03:17,238 -No, don't do it again. 95 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,281 I don't want you to try to do it again. 96 00:03:18,323 --> 00:03:20,617 -It worked before. All right. 97 00:03:20,658 --> 00:03:22,160 -[ Slurps softly ] 98 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:24,662 -Okay. I should do it less. 99 00:03:24,704 --> 00:03:26,623 -Mmm! -Oh, sorry. 100 00:03:26,664 --> 00:03:27,832 -DLynn, thank you. -Yes. 101 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:29,125 -Thank you. 102 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:30,502 Will, there's a lot of places 103 00:03:30,543 --> 00:03:33,380 I could start in this conversation, but... 104 00:03:33,421 --> 00:03:37,384 there's one place that I want to go on specifically, man. 105 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:42,514 Dude, I am in a place of international gain 106 00:03:42,555 --> 00:03:45,392 and exposure based off of a blueprint 107 00:03:45,433 --> 00:03:47,811 that you set in this business. -Mm-hmm. 108 00:03:47,852 --> 00:03:51,690 -I want to start in the conversation of opportunity 109 00:03:51,731 --> 00:03:56,319 attached to the work that you did that you put into, 110 00:03:56,361 --> 00:03:57,821 I guess you could say now what's considered 111 00:03:57,862 --> 00:04:00,281 to be the international exposure and attachment 112 00:04:00,323 --> 00:04:02,492 to a man of color as a lead. 113 00:04:02,534 --> 00:04:04,160 For a long time, there was a conversation 114 00:04:04,202 --> 00:04:06,287 that we don't really cross the border. 115 00:04:06,329 --> 00:04:07,872 Our movies don't translate. 116 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:11,042 My biggest question to you to start this conversation off 117 00:04:11,084 --> 00:04:13,545 is, did you have the pushback in the beginning 118 00:04:13,586 --> 00:04:15,588 about going over the water to promote, 119 00:04:15,630 --> 00:04:19,426 or were studios more intrigued with the gamble? 120 00:04:19,467 --> 00:04:23,221 How did you -- How did you basically make it 121 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:25,890 a consistent thing to get these movies to go 122 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:29,978 and be marketed and promoted on an international scale? 123 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:33,106 -I guess I'll say that 124 00:04:33,148 --> 00:04:37,360 the first thing that I realized is that -- 125 00:04:37,402 --> 00:04:38,903 you know, I came from music, 126 00:04:38,945 --> 00:04:43,074 so coming from music was a whole different world, right? 127 00:04:43,116 --> 00:04:45,744 So being in music, 128 00:04:45,785 --> 00:04:50,331 I had already been around the world one time with records, 129 00:04:50,373 --> 00:04:54,919 So when I came to Hollywood, there wasn't -- 130 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:59,382 Music was almost like underground compared to movies. 131 00:04:59,424 --> 00:05:02,927 -Okay. -So I knew from step one 132 00:05:02,969 --> 00:05:06,973 that marketing was equally as important as the product. 133 00:05:07,015 --> 00:05:08,600 -Okay. -It does not matter how good 134 00:05:08,641 --> 00:05:11,102 your product is if you can't sell it, right? 135 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:14,064 So I came into it with the idea 136 00:05:14,105 --> 00:05:16,649 that I needed to be able to sell it. 137 00:05:16,691 --> 00:05:19,527 And the prevailing wisdom at the time 138 00:05:19,569 --> 00:05:22,405 was that Black actors don't translate internationally. 139 00:05:22,447 --> 00:05:24,616 -Absolutely. Absolutely. -Right? 140 00:05:24,657 --> 00:05:28,661 So the hard part is... 141 00:05:28,703 --> 00:05:31,873 So technically at the time, 142 00:05:31,915 --> 00:05:35,460 on paper, that was true... -Mm-hmm. 143 00:05:35,502 --> 00:05:38,171 Analytics showed that there -- -Analytics showed, yes. 144 00:05:38,213 --> 00:05:40,465 -There was a case behind the reason. 145 00:05:40,507 --> 00:05:45,428 -That the idea that Black actors -- 146 00:05:45,470 --> 00:05:49,015 the films and our television shows 147 00:05:49,057 --> 00:05:51,810 didn't travel as well as... -Absolutely. 148 00:05:51,851 --> 00:05:56,314 -...as, you know, a show with a white American lead. 149 00:05:56,356 --> 00:05:58,483 -Mm-hmm. 150 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:01,403 -For me, because I had traveled with the music, 151 00:06:01,444 --> 00:06:03,154 I knew that the audience was there. 152 00:06:03,196 --> 00:06:06,157 So I was like, Why is our -- 153 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:08,451 -They're coming to see my shows. -Yes, exactly. 154 00:06:08,493 --> 00:06:09,994 -Coming to see the shows. I've been there. 155 00:06:10,036 --> 00:06:11,538 I just came from Germany. -Yeah, I just came from Germany. 156 00:06:11,579 --> 00:06:14,624 So I know that people will come out. 157 00:06:14,666 --> 00:06:16,084 What is the issue? 158 00:06:16,126 --> 00:06:20,422 And at the end of the day, there were two things I saw. 159 00:06:20,463 --> 00:06:23,550 One... 160 00:06:23,591 --> 00:06:25,677 Black folks didn't want to travel. 161 00:06:25,719 --> 00:06:27,679 I was talking to actors and stuff like that. 162 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:32,350 And there was a -- there was a reluctance on our part 163 00:06:32,392 --> 00:06:36,938 to get on the plane and go 14 hours to, you know... 164 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:39,691 -Said country, to do -- -Said country to walk 165 00:06:39,733 --> 00:06:42,819 on red carpets, right? So it was -- 166 00:06:42,861 --> 00:06:46,906 it was a little bit of resistance on the part 167 00:06:46,948 --> 00:06:49,534 of Black actors in general, 168 00:06:49,576 --> 00:06:52,537 but that compacted by the idea 169 00:06:52,579 --> 00:06:56,750 that studios didn't believe in in a Black actor 170 00:06:56,791 --> 00:07:01,713 to sell in the markets, that was, like, central in my career 171 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:03,048 when I first went out. 172 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:06,760 I hated hearing that I couldn't be in the movie 173 00:07:06,801 --> 00:07:09,137 because it was a $120 million movie, 174 00:07:09,179 --> 00:07:12,766 and Black actors aren't gonna be able to cover the... 175 00:07:12,807 --> 00:07:14,559 -Well, you just -- what you just said, 176 00:07:14,601 --> 00:07:18,063 I mean, is information needed -- needed information, right? 177 00:07:18,104 --> 00:07:20,398 And the idea that, okay, 178 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,400 we weren't given the opportunities matched 179 00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:24,277 and mirrored with the opportunity 180 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,613 that some were turning down. -Absolutely. 181 00:07:26,654 --> 00:07:29,574 -Here's the thing that really, like... 182 00:07:29,616 --> 00:07:31,326 that really fucking amazes me. 183 00:07:31,368 --> 00:07:32,952 You know, when you think about the world 184 00:07:32,994 --> 00:07:35,205 of marketing and promotion at this level, at this tier -- 185 00:07:35,246 --> 00:07:36,748 I'm not talking about now. 186 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:39,751 I think there's other talented actors and actresses 187 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:41,920 that you can add to the conversation, 188 00:07:41,961 --> 00:07:46,800 but for your space at the time of crazy success, 189 00:07:46,841 --> 00:07:50,720 of crazy trajectory -- you and Tom. 190 00:07:50,762 --> 00:07:52,597 -Yeah. -It was you and Tom Cruise? 191 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:54,641 Right? You and Tom Cruise -- 192 00:07:54,683 --> 00:07:59,562 -Tom was the blueprint to me for promotions. 193 00:07:59,604 --> 00:08:03,108 He took it most seriously. And I watched him. 194 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:06,111 I studied everything that he did. 195 00:08:06,152 --> 00:08:09,572 And I was trying to outdo Tom Cruise 196 00:08:09,614 --> 00:08:11,741 in terms of promotion. -He's so fucking competitive. 197 00:08:11,783 --> 00:08:15,578 -Yeah. No, but you -- Tom is unbeatable, right? 198 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:18,248 -He's the highest level. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. 199 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:19,791 -A close talker, too. Tom talks like this. 200 00:08:19,833 --> 00:08:22,544 -Yeah. No, 'cause he'll make sure -- he'll make -- 201 00:08:22,585 --> 00:08:24,212 he just wants you to understand what he said. 202 00:08:24,254 --> 00:08:26,047 -Let me get it. Listen, Kevin. 203 00:08:26,089 --> 00:08:27,841 We're gonna do it. But I need to -- 204 00:08:27,882 --> 00:08:29,718 Are you committed? Are you committed? 205 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,429 -I need you to understand -- -Because if you are -- 206 00:08:32,470 --> 00:08:34,764 Do you get it? Do you get it? -Yes. 207 00:08:34,806 --> 00:08:37,308 [ Both laugh ] 208 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:38,810 -He does the laugh. 209 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:41,563 I said it -- I said it respectfully. 210 00:08:41,604 --> 00:08:43,565 I said it respectfully to Tom, and I was -- you know, 211 00:08:43,606 --> 00:08:45,025 'cause he scared me when he first did it. 212 00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:46,526 -Yeah. -He just comes in close. 213 00:08:46,568 --> 00:08:47,944 -He just wants you to feel what he's talking about. 214 00:08:47,986 --> 00:08:49,612 -He gets in there. -Yeah, he gets in there. 215 00:08:49,654 --> 00:08:50,989 -I said, "Whoa, Tom." -Tom, it's like... 216 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:53,366 -Yes, that's a lot. -You just got to -- 217 00:08:53,408 --> 00:08:55,285 And then you try to laugh and cross your arms. 218 00:08:55,326 --> 00:08:57,620 -Back up. Back up. 219 00:08:57,662 --> 00:08:59,039 He'll come right back. -He'll come right back in there. 220 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,999 -He's fucking aggressive. -Yeah. He gets it done. 221 00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:02,584 -That's the aggressive, competitive nature. 222 00:09:02,625 --> 00:09:04,627 I'm glad that you see that, too. -Yeah. 223 00:09:04,669 --> 00:09:06,171 -I'm glad you see that, too. All love Tom. 224 00:09:06,212 --> 00:09:07,672 This is something that nobody else will tell you. 225 00:09:07,714 --> 00:09:09,549 We're telling you, it gets close. 226 00:09:09,591 --> 00:09:10,925 -It gets close. -But it's a good -- 227 00:09:10,967 --> 00:09:12,719 -It's a good close. It's a good close. 228 00:09:12,761 --> 00:09:14,346 -It's a good thing. -He stays fresh. 229 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:15,847 He's always got some gum. -Yeah. He wasn't hot. 230 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:17,849 He didn't fuck me up. -It's not hot, right. 231 00:09:17,891 --> 00:09:19,642 That's true. It's not hot. -He didn't fuck me up. 232 00:09:19,684 --> 00:09:22,437 -It's room-temperature breath. -It's just a very... 233 00:09:22,479 --> 00:09:25,857 -It's just close. -...a very close, yes. 234 00:09:25,899 --> 00:09:28,943 -Yes. -We got to take a break, guys. 235 00:09:28,985 --> 00:09:32,030 We got more "Hart to Heart" when we come back after this. 236 00:09:32,072 --> 00:09:33,698 Don't go anywhere. 237 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:39,788 ** 238 00:09:43,124 --> 00:09:48,088 ** 239 00:09:48,129 --> 00:09:50,298 -Welcome back. We're still here with Will Smith. 240 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:53,009 Yes, 'cause it's "Hart to Heart" and that's what we're having. 241 00:09:53,051 --> 00:09:55,970 So, Will, here's where I get curious. 242 00:09:56,012 --> 00:09:58,348 -Mm-hmm. -When the movies started to get 243 00:09:58,390 --> 00:10:00,141 bigger, the ideas got bigger. -Yep. 244 00:10:00,183 --> 00:10:04,187 -At this point, who are you searching for to help you, 245 00:10:04,229 --> 00:10:09,025 like, really execute in a task of bigger, better? 246 00:10:09,067 --> 00:10:11,528 Like, you know, the "Independence Day" 247 00:10:11,569 --> 00:10:13,321 was one tier. Then after that, you got 248 00:10:13,363 --> 00:10:16,116 the world of "Men in Black." Then you got -- I mean, 249 00:10:16,157 --> 00:10:18,493 the movies just keep growing. 250 00:10:18,535 --> 00:10:20,203 Was this a Will Smith engine? 251 00:10:20,245 --> 00:10:23,581 Was this the team of managers, agents, or whatever? 252 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:25,625 Who acted as the driving force 253 00:10:25,667 --> 00:10:27,460 in searching for the right material 254 00:10:27,502 --> 00:10:29,629 to help you along that trajectory? 255 00:10:29,671 --> 00:10:34,551 -So, you know, my manager J.L., James Lassiter. 256 00:10:34,592 --> 00:10:38,304 J.L. was the arbiter of taste. 257 00:10:38,346 --> 00:10:40,473 -Okay. -So in the heyday, 258 00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:44,644 the 10 movies I made at the top of my career, 259 00:10:44,686 --> 00:10:48,732 J.L. was choosing the films. -Wow. 260 00:10:48,773 --> 00:10:55,113 -And he just -- he just had an eye, you know? 261 00:10:55,155 --> 00:10:57,240 I didn't want to make "Pursuit of Happyness." 262 00:10:57,282 --> 00:10:58,950 I didn't want to make "Ali." 263 00:10:58,992 --> 00:11:00,618 -Get the fuck out of here. -Yeah. 264 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:03,079 And J.L. was pushing on -- 265 00:11:03,121 --> 00:11:04,748 you know, J.L. picked "Men in Black." 266 00:11:04,789 --> 00:11:07,083 I kind of understood "Men in Black" a little bit, 267 00:11:07,125 --> 00:11:10,086 but I didn't want to make "Men in Black." 268 00:11:10,128 --> 00:11:12,756 That was the next year after Independence Day. 269 00:11:12,797 --> 00:11:15,675 So I didn't want to make two alien movies back to back. 270 00:11:15,717 --> 00:11:17,844 -How did he convince you? 271 00:11:17,886 --> 00:11:21,264 -Steven Spielberg sent a helicopter for me. 272 00:11:21,306 --> 00:11:23,725 -You're a goddamn liar. -Yeah. I was in New York. 273 00:11:23,767 --> 00:11:25,769 -To talk to you? -To talk to me. To talk. 274 00:11:25,810 --> 00:11:28,104 Like, it landed at his house, 275 00:11:28,146 --> 00:11:30,106 and he had me at, "Hello." 276 00:11:30,148 --> 00:11:32,901 -Well, yeah. You can't say no after you get on a helicopter. 277 00:11:32,942 --> 00:11:34,444 -Yeah, you get off the helicopter at his house. 278 00:11:34,486 --> 00:11:36,279 -And he says, "Come on..." -And it was the first time 279 00:11:36,321 --> 00:11:39,949 I'd ever had lemonade with carbonated water. 280 00:11:39,991 --> 00:11:41,785 -Yeah. You can't say no. -You can't say no to that. 281 00:11:41,826 --> 00:11:45,038 It was lemonade with carbonated water and -- 282 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,706 -But you had to act like you had it before. 283 00:11:46,748 --> 00:11:48,583 -Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, "This is regular." 284 00:11:48,625 --> 00:11:50,043 -That's good shit. -Yeah. 285 00:11:50,085 --> 00:11:51,586 -Is this carbonated water? -Just like my grandmother 286 00:11:51,628 --> 00:11:53,088 used to make. -It was carbonated water? 287 00:11:53,129 --> 00:11:54,589 I would say that. Yeah. -This is good shit, Steve. 288 00:11:54,631 --> 00:11:57,092 -But, yeah, he flew me in and he -- 289 00:11:57,133 --> 00:11:58,843 he said the coldest shit. 290 00:11:58,885 --> 00:12:01,638 He said -- He said, "Tell me -- 291 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:06,017 Tell me why you don't want to make my movie." 292 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:09,688 And he was the producer. And I was like... 293 00:12:09,729 --> 00:12:11,606 And he put the ellipses at the end. 294 00:12:11,648 --> 00:12:13,024 It was the dot, dot, dot. 295 00:12:13,066 --> 00:12:14,567 "Tell me why you don't want to make my movie." 296 00:12:14,609 --> 00:12:15,902 It was the dot, dot, dot. 297 00:12:15,944 --> 00:12:18,613 If he had continued, he would have said, 298 00:12:18,655 --> 00:12:20,532 "Joker, you know, I made 'Jaws,' right?" 299 00:12:20,573 --> 00:12:22,867 -Yeah. -"You know I made 'E.T.'" 300 00:12:22,909 --> 00:12:24,703 -Yeah, or motherfucker. -He might have said -- 301 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:26,079 He's respectful. 302 00:12:26,121 --> 00:12:27,706 -"Why don't you want to make my movie?" 303 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,374 -"Why you don't want to make..." [ Laughs ] 304 00:12:29,416 --> 00:12:31,459 -Like, a very low tone to it. -And I walked in his house, 305 00:12:31,501 --> 00:12:35,296 and he had the "Jaws" poster, and the -- what is it -- 306 00:12:35,338 --> 00:12:37,424 the "Jurassic Park." He had everything. 307 00:12:37,465 --> 00:12:40,760 So it was just so I would know. -What's your answer? 308 00:12:40,802 --> 00:12:42,846 -What's my answer? And I was like, you know, 309 00:12:42,887 --> 00:12:44,931 I didn't want to make two alien movies back to back. 310 00:12:44,973 --> 00:12:47,308 I didn't want to go from "Independence Day" 311 00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:49,185 to "Men in Black," you know. 312 00:12:49,227 --> 00:12:52,022 I felt like I would -- I didn't want to be the alien guy. 313 00:12:52,063 --> 00:12:55,400 -But I mean, honestly, it's a worry that we have, 314 00:12:55,442 --> 00:12:59,029 because I think the biggest thing that we think about 315 00:12:59,070 --> 00:13:01,823 while having a moment at the top is, 316 00:13:01,865 --> 00:13:03,033 well, how do you stay at the top? 317 00:13:03,074 --> 00:13:04,826 And I don't want to make mistakes. 318 00:13:04,868 --> 00:13:06,536 I definitely don't want to keep doing the right thing. 319 00:13:06,578 --> 00:13:08,663 I don't want them to think that this is the only thing I can do. 320 00:13:08,705 --> 00:13:11,958 I want to expand and do more. So I understand that logic. 321 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,210 I understand why you would be worried. 322 00:13:14,252 --> 00:13:16,379 I mean, for him, it's just basically like, 323 00:13:16,421 --> 00:13:18,631 "I'm Steven Spielberg and you're protected." 324 00:13:18,673 --> 00:13:20,258 -Yeah. -"I don't make bad stuff." 325 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:23,595 -Yeah. And that goes back to one of the earlier questions. 326 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:28,058 It's like...it's a team sport. 327 00:13:28,099 --> 00:13:30,185 You know? And... 328 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:32,937 there's a couple of really critical things. 329 00:13:32,979 --> 00:13:35,940 It's like, who is at your right hand? 330 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:40,403 Like, who your friends are, who you're with every day 331 00:13:40,445 --> 00:13:43,281 will make or break your dreams. 332 00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:48,411 You cannot build a career 333 00:13:48,453 --> 00:13:51,247 and you probably -- you know, 334 00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:53,166 I'm gonna speak specifically from my experience, 335 00:13:53,208 --> 00:13:57,754 but you probably can't do much of anything in this life 336 00:13:57,796 --> 00:14:00,715 at a high level without a rock-solid team. 337 00:14:00,757 --> 00:14:03,259 -In your rise of it, 338 00:14:03,301 --> 00:14:05,970 did you see that, or were you the individual 339 00:14:06,012 --> 00:14:08,973 that felt you were doing it by yourself? 340 00:14:09,015 --> 00:14:11,559 -No, I never really thought I was doing it by myself. 341 00:14:11,601 --> 00:14:14,604 I knew that I had to be the tip of the spear 342 00:14:14,646 --> 00:14:16,272 in terms of discipline. 343 00:14:16,314 --> 00:14:20,860 I knew I had to be the tip of the spear in terms of direction. 344 00:14:20,902 --> 00:14:25,073 But I always knew that I needed my squad. 345 00:14:25,115 --> 00:14:27,992 You know, we've talked a lot about, you know, 346 00:14:28,034 --> 00:14:30,036 our parents. -Absolutely. 347 00:14:30,078 --> 00:14:32,122 -And, you know, my father was military. 348 00:14:32,163 --> 00:14:35,792 So it was very clear to me that there was a commander. 349 00:14:35,834 --> 00:14:37,293 So the commander is in charge. 350 00:14:37,335 --> 00:14:39,421 But if you ain't got nothing to command, 351 00:14:39,462 --> 00:14:42,882 nobody is willing to follow you, you got nothing, you know. 352 00:14:42,924 --> 00:14:46,594 So I was very military-minded in that early part. 353 00:14:46,636 --> 00:14:48,138 I remember the first -- 354 00:14:48,179 --> 00:14:49,889 Do you remember the first time you came 355 00:14:49,931 --> 00:14:51,099 and we worked out together? 356 00:14:51,141 --> 00:14:54,102 -Listen, I'll fucking... -[ Laughs ] 357 00:14:54,144 --> 00:14:55,979 -That was in -- That was, like, the heyday. 358 00:14:56,021 --> 00:14:58,314 -I'll give you an example, right? So, Charlie Mack -- 359 00:14:58,356 --> 00:15:00,775 for those who do not know, Charlie Mack 360 00:15:00,817 --> 00:15:02,444 used to be Will's security. -Yeah. 361 00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:06,322 -And Charlie Mack basically has been in Will's life forever. 362 00:15:06,364 --> 00:15:07,657 Charlie tells me -- 363 00:15:07,699 --> 00:15:09,034 this is in, like, the beginning of my career -- 364 00:15:09,075 --> 00:15:10,785 "Kev, you got to get to Will. 365 00:15:10,827 --> 00:15:12,078 You got to get around Will." 366 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,371 You know, everybody who knows Charlie Mac, 367 00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:14,873 they know Charlie Mack does his best -- 368 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:15,999 -"Kev, Kev, Kev, Kev, I'm telling you, 369 00:15:16,041 --> 00:15:17,542 I'm telling you, I'm telling you. 370 00:15:17,584 --> 00:15:19,711 You got to be around Will." -You just got to show up. 371 00:15:19,753 --> 00:15:21,087 -"I'm just saying. Just show up. 372 00:15:21,129 --> 00:15:23,173 You just got to be here. You just got to be -- 373 00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:24,841 You got to be -- You got to be -- You got to be -- 374 00:15:24,883 --> 00:15:26,968 You got to be near that level of greatness. 375 00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:28,428 And if you spend time -- if you spend time -- 376 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:30,096 I'm saying -- what the fuck is you laughing at? 377 00:15:30,138 --> 00:15:31,431 I'm I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help you." 378 00:15:31,473 --> 00:15:34,893 -He's filming in New York. Charlie calls me. 379 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:36,603 "Kev, Will is doing 'Men in Black.' 380 00:15:36,644 --> 00:15:39,731 They're filming it in New York. You got to get down here. 381 00:15:39,773 --> 00:15:42,359 You got to come to set. The director, everybody cool. 382 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:43,943 But you just got to get some of that energy. 383 00:15:43,985 --> 00:15:45,653 You got to get his energy. I'm telling you. 384 00:15:45,695 --> 00:15:48,281 Shit just gonna happen." 385 00:15:48,323 --> 00:15:49,866 All right, I mean... 386 00:15:49,908 --> 00:15:51,159 Okay. Do you want me just to come? 387 00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:52,786 Whatever. I'll figure it out. 388 00:15:52,827 --> 00:15:54,204 The first time I do, we come to New York. 389 00:15:54,245 --> 00:15:56,206 That's one of the first times. I see you on set. 390 00:15:56,247 --> 00:15:58,124 Wow. This is when I got to see your big trailer, right? 391 00:15:58,166 --> 00:16:00,085 It's two times I visited you on set. 392 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:01,628 Oh, man, this is dope as fuck. 393 00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:04,589 Look at this trailer. Goddamn double-decker trailer. 394 00:16:04,631 --> 00:16:06,216 Holy shit. You had a busy day. 395 00:16:06,257 --> 00:16:08,218 So we talked for a second. You were right back out. 396 00:16:08,259 --> 00:16:10,387 Couldn't really do much. I go visit you on set again. 397 00:16:10,428 --> 00:16:12,514 Will's got a trainer with him now. 398 00:16:12,555 --> 00:16:15,350 Things have changed. He's got a personal trainer on set. 399 00:16:15,392 --> 00:16:17,143 By the way, this is where I got the idea 400 00:16:17,185 --> 00:16:19,020 to get a personal trainer and have him travel with me. 401 00:16:19,062 --> 00:16:20,397 -Darrell Foster. Darrell Foster. 402 00:16:20,438 --> 00:16:22,857 -Darrell Foster is in Will's gym trailer. 403 00:16:22,899 --> 00:16:24,359 Will has a gym trailer. 404 00:16:24,401 --> 00:16:26,403 I got the idea to get a gym trailer from fucking Will. 405 00:16:26,444 --> 00:16:28,238 You're right. I need a gym trailer. Right? 406 00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:30,281 Okay. Iron sharpens iron. This is what I need. 407 00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:33,076 This is what the fuck Will had. I got to get the same thing. 408 00:16:33,118 --> 00:16:36,913 Will, unbeknownst to him, his guy's like, 409 00:16:36,955 --> 00:16:38,581 "Yo, go in there in the gym trailer. 410 00:16:38,623 --> 00:16:40,250 Will in there. He's just fucking around." 411 00:16:40,291 --> 00:16:42,836 We go in the gym trailer. The trainer's in there. 412 00:16:42,877 --> 00:16:45,755 He hit the bell. Bing! 413 00:16:45,797 --> 00:16:47,132 "What's up, man? How you doing?" 414 00:16:47,173 --> 00:16:50,593 "Hey, go. Y'all in or out?" 415 00:16:50,635 --> 00:16:52,762 "I don't understand." 416 00:16:52,804 --> 00:16:54,347 "Well, you in or out? You come in here, 417 00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:56,850 you're in my sanctuary. You don't fuck around. 418 00:16:56,891 --> 00:17:00,145 Either you came to work or you came to fucking do nothing. 419 00:17:00,186 --> 00:17:02,772 You won't do nothing in my house." 420 00:17:02,814 --> 00:17:04,399 -[ Laughs ] 421 00:17:04,441 --> 00:17:07,444 -"I came to see -- I came to see Will. 422 00:17:07,485 --> 00:17:09,195 Charlie Mack told me come and see Will." 423 00:17:09,237 --> 00:17:10,613 "You doing the set or not?!" 424 00:17:10,655 --> 00:17:14,075 "Yeah. Yeah. I'll put it up. Yeah, I, uh... 425 00:17:14,117 --> 00:17:16,202 I get down. I get one in." 426 00:17:16,244 --> 00:17:17,871 I go struggling with a set. 427 00:17:17,912 --> 00:17:19,956 "Yeah. Okay. We got a bitch in here!" 428 00:17:19,998 --> 00:17:22,625 -[ Laughs ] 429 00:17:22,667 --> 00:17:27,047 -"Who the fuck is this? Who -- Who is he?" 430 00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:30,091 I mean, literally, I ended up doing a fucking workout. 431 00:17:30,133 --> 00:17:31,926 I ended up doing a workout. -Yes. 432 00:17:31,968 --> 00:17:36,097 -I just came to tell Will hi. You see me after. 433 00:17:36,139 --> 00:17:37,932 You like, "Yeah. Kev, he don't fuck around." 434 00:17:37,974 --> 00:17:41,811 -No, no, no. Darr-- -Intense. 435 00:17:41,853 --> 00:17:43,104 -I didn't know if you was ever gonna 436 00:17:43,146 --> 00:17:44,481 speak to me again after that. 437 00:17:44,522 --> 00:17:46,900 -No, I didn't know what the fuck that was. 438 00:17:46,941 --> 00:17:48,485 I was really -- I was upset. Like, I left. 439 00:17:48,526 --> 00:17:50,612 Like, I left, you know? I know I can't beat him. 440 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:52,364 But in the car, I was like, "Who the fuck he think 441 00:17:52,405 --> 00:17:56,159 he was talking to, calling me a bitch?" 442 00:17:56,201 --> 00:17:57,994 'Cause I couldn't do the goddamn weight. 443 00:17:58,036 --> 00:17:59,788 -Oh, man. -He didn't even ask me how much 444 00:17:59,829 --> 00:18:01,498 I could bench. He just -- "Get down." 445 00:18:01,539 --> 00:18:03,416 I go, "That's a lot of -- I don't know if those plates 446 00:18:03,458 --> 00:18:05,126 right for me. I think that's Will. 447 00:18:05,168 --> 00:18:08,338 Them plates is for Will. They're not for me." 448 00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:11,466 Well, I hate to even stop or break it up, but I have to. 449 00:18:11,508 --> 00:18:13,635 Will, you know it's my show. And unfortunately, in this show, 450 00:18:13,677 --> 00:18:16,262 we have to pay bills. Guys, don't go anywhere. 451 00:18:16,304 --> 00:18:18,556 We got more "Hart to Heart" coming back after this. 452 00:18:18,598 --> 00:18:19,933 Please! 453 00:18:19,974 --> 00:18:27,107 ** 454 00:18:29,943 --> 00:18:35,323 ** 455 00:18:35,365 --> 00:18:36,908 -Welcome back to "Hart to Heart." 456 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:38,201 I'm sitting here with Will Smith. 457 00:18:38,243 --> 00:18:40,370 So, Will, coming to those movie sets, man, 458 00:18:40,412 --> 00:18:43,289 like, I saw your approach to work. 459 00:18:43,331 --> 00:18:45,375 -Yep. -I saw what you had set up, 460 00:18:45,417 --> 00:18:47,419 and I realized your team -- so to get back on track, 461 00:18:47,460 --> 00:18:49,087 as you're talking about the team... 462 00:18:49,129 --> 00:18:50,755 -Yep. -...your team has always 463 00:18:50,797 --> 00:18:52,882 been significant, and by the way, that team hasn't changed. 464 00:18:52,924 --> 00:18:55,802 Like, you got a lot of the same fucking personnel. 465 00:18:55,844 --> 00:18:58,722 They've been a part of your journey throughout. 466 00:18:58,763 --> 00:19:00,682 -Yeah. -So hearing about J. and making 467 00:19:00,724 --> 00:19:03,476 the decisions on these scripts and hearing you say that 468 00:19:03,518 --> 00:19:04,644 you didn't want to do certain scripts... 469 00:19:04,686 --> 00:19:06,438 -I know, yeah. -...is unreal. 470 00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:09,315 What was the turning point for "Pursuit of Happyness"? 471 00:19:09,357 --> 00:19:14,279 -There was a "20/20" piece -- oh, the TV show "20/20." 472 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,613 It was like "60 Minutes." 473 00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:21,161 And they did a piece about Chris Gardner. 474 00:19:21,202 --> 00:19:22,620 So I had read the script, 475 00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:26,249 and I really couldn't get it in the script. 476 00:19:26,291 --> 00:19:27,792 And then when I saw the "20/20" piece, 477 00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:30,545 it was like you could see the structure of the story, 478 00:19:30,587 --> 00:19:33,381 the beginning, middle, and end of the story 479 00:19:33,423 --> 00:19:35,258 in that small section. 480 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:40,138 And then I met with Chris Gardner and... 481 00:19:41,931 --> 00:19:44,559 There's something about 482 00:19:44,601 --> 00:19:48,063 human beings who have suffered. 483 00:19:48,104 --> 00:19:52,400 -Mm-hmm. -Right? And overcome. 484 00:19:52,442 --> 00:19:54,402 -Okay. -You know, Chris Gardner 485 00:19:54,444 --> 00:19:56,404 is one of those people. -Seen rock bottom. 486 00:19:56,446 --> 00:20:00,158 -That rock bottom -- -Doesn't get any lower 487 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,910 than his version of rock bottom. -Yes. 488 00:20:01,951 --> 00:20:03,828 -And making it out of that. 489 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:07,332 -He took me to the bathroom in Oakland 490 00:20:07,374 --> 00:20:09,250 where he had to sleep with his son. 491 00:20:09,292 --> 00:20:10,752 -Wow. Wow. 492 00:20:10,794 --> 00:20:13,672 -And when I stood in that space with him, 493 00:20:13,713 --> 00:20:18,218 and it was like the ghosts jumped in my body. 494 00:20:18,259 --> 00:20:21,304 And then I was like, "Got it." 495 00:20:21,346 --> 00:20:23,765 -Did you -- This is before making the decision? 496 00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:26,434 This is him talking to you about the journey, the story? 497 00:20:26,476 --> 00:20:27,977 -Talking about it, showing me around. 498 00:20:28,019 --> 00:20:32,399 And, you know, I met his son and, you know, it's like, 499 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,361 you know, people who have suffered to that level 500 00:20:36,403 --> 00:20:40,448 have a secret, you know? And... 501 00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:45,495 I could tell he had a secret for me to learn in that process. 502 00:20:45,537 --> 00:20:48,873 And, you know, at that point in my career, 503 00:20:48,915 --> 00:20:53,253 I had discovered that I don't work for money. 504 00:20:53,294 --> 00:20:55,463 I work to learn. -Wow. Okay. 505 00:20:55,505 --> 00:20:57,215 -I work to grow. -Okay. 506 00:20:57,257 --> 00:20:59,509 -I work to meet people. 507 00:20:59,551 --> 00:21:01,553 I work to expand and to evolve. 508 00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:04,973 And I trust that if I keep my mind 509 00:21:05,015 --> 00:21:10,645 in the space of great humans that have something to teach 510 00:21:10,687 --> 00:21:14,441 and I work in that space, I trust that money and accolades 511 00:21:14,482 --> 00:21:15,900 and all of that stuff will follow. 512 00:21:15,942 --> 00:21:19,279 -What did you feel you had to do to say, "Okay, 513 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,656 I now need to raise the bar for myself. 514 00:21:21,698 --> 00:21:24,826 I need to go past this level. 515 00:21:24,868 --> 00:21:26,953 To get here, I got to unlock this"? 516 00:21:26,995 --> 00:21:31,249 What did you do and where did you go to to unlock that? 517 00:21:31,291 --> 00:21:36,129 -So I am a serious, 518 00:21:36,171 --> 00:21:39,007 devoted studier. -Very, very. 519 00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:41,885 -Right? So, you know, 520 00:21:41,926 --> 00:21:46,848 I probably -- I read, you know, 12 books a year. 521 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:48,183 -A year?! -Yeah. 522 00:21:48,224 --> 00:21:51,227 -Goddamn! -Yeah. Yeah, it's -- 523 00:21:51,269 --> 00:21:52,812 -I don't have none. -Huh? 524 00:21:52,854 --> 00:21:54,856 Well, books on tape count. Books on tape count. 525 00:21:54,898 --> 00:21:56,358 -Now, I listen. -I know you do that. I can tell. 526 00:21:56,399 --> 00:21:57,901 -I listen. -I know you do that. 527 00:21:57,942 --> 00:21:59,569 -What do you mean you can tell? What does that mean? 528 00:21:59,611 --> 00:22:00,904 -Well, you know, it's just, you have a book -- 529 00:22:00,945 --> 00:22:02,822 -What the fuck just happened, Will? 530 00:22:02,864 --> 00:22:05,450 -I'm just saying, you look like a book-on-tape kind of guy. 531 00:22:05,492 --> 00:22:08,578 I can just feel it. I can see it. 532 00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:10,705 It's not a bad thing. You're listening -- 533 00:22:10,747 --> 00:22:11,998 -Doesn't sound like a good thing. 534 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,375 -No, it's a great thing. 535 00:22:13,416 --> 00:22:14,709 It's like you're consuming the material. 536 00:22:14,751 --> 00:22:16,419 -I fall asleep. That's the only reason 537 00:22:16,461 --> 00:22:18,421 why I don't read. I fall asleep. -I know. I can feel that. 538 00:22:18,463 --> 00:22:19,881 I can feel that. 539 00:22:19,923 --> 00:22:21,800 I'm just saying I can sense it, Kevin. I'm not -- 540 00:22:21,841 --> 00:22:23,593 Why are you making it a thing? You're making it -- 541 00:22:23,635 --> 00:22:25,095 -I'm not making it a thing. It just doesn't sound like 542 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:26,638 you're coming... 543 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,223 -I'm saying... -It's fine. 544 00:22:28,264 --> 00:22:30,016 -...I can tell you're a book-on-tape kind of guy. 545 00:22:30,058 --> 00:22:33,144 Kevin, why are you -- -'Cause I'm a bitch. 546 00:22:33,186 --> 00:22:34,896 'Cause that's what you think. 547 00:22:34,938 --> 00:22:37,440 This stems back to the trailer. It stems back to the trainer. 548 00:22:37,482 --> 00:22:39,442 -At some point... -It's okay. 549 00:22:39,484 --> 00:22:40,694 -...you're gonna have to look at yourself. 550 00:22:40,735 --> 00:22:41,986 -Okay. It's all right. It's fine. 551 00:22:42,028 --> 00:22:43,863 -You're projecting now. -I'll read a book 552 00:22:43,905 --> 00:22:45,740 starting today, and I'm gonna text you. 553 00:22:45,782 --> 00:22:47,325 I'm gonna text you when I finish the book. 554 00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:48,952 I'm gonna get a book under my belt. 555 00:22:48,993 --> 00:22:51,663 12 books a day, study, information. 556 00:22:51,705 --> 00:22:57,085 You're a person that needs and wants information. 557 00:22:57,127 --> 00:23:02,799 -I am crystal clear that the quality of my life 558 00:23:02,841 --> 00:23:08,346 is going to be directly a result of the quality 559 00:23:08,388 --> 00:23:10,932 of my understanding, and, you know, 560 00:23:10,974 --> 00:23:18,648 the process in in my life of trying to learn was -- 561 00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:22,444 you know, probably I started reading like that late. 562 00:23:22,485 --> 00:23:26,781 I didn't read an entire book until I was 30. 563 00:23:26,823 --> 00:23:28,324 -Okay. -Yeah. So that was, like -- 564 00:23:28,366 --> 00:23:32,704 the first time I ever read a book cover to cover, you know, 565 00:23:32,746 --> 00:23:35,582 I was 30 years old, you know? 566 00:23:35,623 --> 00:23:37,584 "Malcolm & Martin & America" 567 00:23:37,625 --> 00:23:41,671 and then "The Autobiography of Malcolm X," you know. 568 00:23:41,713 --> 00:23:45,800 And so I started reading late. I always studied, 569 00:23:45,842 --> 00:23:48,428 but I need -- I wanted to hear people talk to me. 570 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:52,307 So, you know, I was a guy that I liked to listen to people. 571 00:23:52,349 --> 00:23:57,645 But when I started reading... 572 00:23:57,687 --> 00:24:01,649 a lot, my life really took off and I could -- 573 00:24:01,691 --> 00:24:04,152 I started to be able to solve the problems 574 00:24:04,194 --> 00:24:06,780 of my life more effectively. 575 00:24:06,821 --> 00:24:09,032 And then I started a thing where I would read something, 576 00:24:09,074 --> 00:24:12,994 and if I liked it, I would try to make contact with the author. 577 00:24:13,036 --> 00:24:14,162 Right? -Okay. 578 00:24:14,204 --> 00:24:15,705 -So, and then in that process, 579 00:24:15,747 --> 00:24:19,542 like, education is everything. -Okay. 580 00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:23,213 -The solution to every problem in life 581 00:24:23,254 --> 00:24:24,714 is in a book somewhere. 582 00:24:24,756 --> 00:24:27,717 Somebody experienced the shit you experienced, 583 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:31,763 and they wrote down what they went through 584 00:24:31,805 --> 00:24:33,682 and the conclusions they made from that. 585 00:24:33,723 --> 00:24:37,394 -Man, I mean, listen, when you get to that place 586 00:24:37,435 --> 00:24:40,480 and you have clarity, 587 00:24:40,522 --> 00:24:42,357 I think that's when the decisions 588 00:24:42,399 --> 00:24:44,317 that you're making just get better. 589 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,985 Right? I got clarity, too. 590 00:24:46,027 --> 00:24:48,530 And in this moment of clarity, I'm gonna take a quick break. 591 00:24:48,571 --> 00:24:50,031 Guys, please don't go anywhere. 592 00:24:50,073 --> 00:24:52,200 We got more "Hart to Heart" coming back after this. 593 00:24:52,242 --> 00:24:58,957 ** 594 00:25:02,293 --> 00:25:06,756 ** 595 00:25:06,798 --> 00:25:07,966 -Welcome back to "Hart to Heart." 596 00:25:08,008 --> 00:25:09,759 I'm sitting here with Will Smith, 597 00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:12,345 a.k.a. "Mr. Philadelphia." 598 00:25:12,387 --> 00:25:18,184 Will, so, you know, you're now making the decision to study, 599 00:25:18,226 --> 00:25:23,356 research, do more, understand more, right? 600 00:25:23,398 --> 00:25:26,651 -In the business, I read every book on story structure. 601 00:25:26,693 --> 00:25:28,820 -Okay. -So everything about 602 00:25:28,862 --> 00:25:30,864 the structuring of a movie, you know? 603 00:25:30,905 --> 00:25:35,577 I put myself through, you know, an intensive study 604 00:25:35,618 --> 00:25:39,164 around what makes a great movie. -Damn. 605 00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:42,334 -And then behind a great movie, it's a great story. 606 00:25:42,375 --> 00:25:45,712 Okay, so then what are the components of a great story? 607 00:25:45,754 --> 00:25:47,047 And then I just, you know, 608 00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:50,091 went into the history of the greatest 609 00:25:50,133 --> 00:25:53,887 and, you know, most powerful stories ever told. 610 00:25:53,928 --> 00:25:56,097 And then I wanted to understand why they were working. 611 00:25:56,139 --> 00:25:57,891 What are the components? -I mean, that's how you get 612 00:25:57,932 --> 00:26:00,518 to the foundation of what makes the character... 613 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,103 -Right. -...the character, right? 614 00:26:02,145 --> 00:26:05,690 Like when you peeling back layers and layers and layers 615 00:26:05,732 --> 00:26:08,193 and you're now finding more energy, 616 00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:11,738 more joy and discovery with each layer, right? 617 00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:13,823 -And the realization that my work 618 00:26:13,865 --> 00:26:16,076 and my life aren't separate. 619 00:26:16,117 --> 00:26:19,913 As I explore Muhammad Ali, for example, 620 00:26:19,954 --> 00:26:22,248 and I try to put on Muhammad Ali, 621 00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:24,417 it's not just a character. 622 00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:27,253 It's like I'm looking at myself. 623 00:26:27,295 --> 00:26:31,841 I'm seeing where I'm not great like that, 624 00:26:31,883 --> 00:26:34,135 where I'm not brave like that. 625 00:26:34,177 --> 00:26:36,096 I'm seeing, okay, I am funny like that. 626 00:26:36,137 --> 00:26:37,972 I do have those kind of difficulties. 627 00:26:38,014 --> 00:26:40,934 Like, the exploration of a character 628 00:26:40,975 --> 00:26:44,938 becomes the exploration of self, right? 629 00:26:44,979 --> 00:26:47,649 You're actually taking a good look at yourself 630 00:26:47,691 --> 00:26:49,109 through the lens of this character, 631 00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:51,319 through the lens of this experience. 632 00:26:51,361 --> 00:26:54,114 -And while doing it, it helps you not only grasp 633 00:26:54,155 --> 00:26:56,449 that thing that you're trying to portray better, 634 00:26:56,491 --> 00:26:59,744 but at the same time, you're able to do work on you. 635 00:26:59,786 --> 00:27:03,206 That's pretty fucking -- that's actually a very -- 636 00:27:03,248 --> 00:27:06,793 a very interesting approach to breaking down not just material, 637 00:27:06,835 --> 00:27:09,796 but the approach to you, like, 638 00:27:09,838 --> 00:27:11,631 embarking on that character journey. 639 00:27:11,673 --> 00:27:13,133 -Yeah. -Have you ever gotten to a point 640 00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:15,719 to where you felt like you got lost? 641 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,805 -Yeah, I've been lost two times. -Which roles? 642 00:27:18,847 --> 00:27:21,683 -I got lost in "Six Degrees of Separation," 643 00:27:21,725 --> 00:27:23,643 -Mm. 644 00:27:23,685 --> 00:27:24,853 -and that was a bad loss. 645 00:27:24,894 --> 00:27:26,479 -Where are you at in your career? 646 00:27:26,521 --> 00:27:28,314 -So this is before everything. I did it before everything. 647 00:27:28,356 --> 00:27:31,317 Before "Bad Boys," everything. -I'm saying, how old? 648 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,529 I know the movie. I'm saying how old were you? 649 00:27:34,571 --> 00:27:35,780 -22? 650 00:27:35,822 --> 00:27:37,198 -Okay. -Maybe 22. 651 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,950 -This is like first real movie after the show? 652 00:27:38,992 --> 00:27:41,161 -Yeah. So this was -- it was during the show. 653 00:27:41,202 --> 00:27:44,789 It was during the time of the show. 654 00:27:44,831 --> 00:27:47,083 And just right before "Independence Day." 655 00:27:47,125 --> 00:27:49,085 -Okay. -And, you know, 656 00:27:49,127 --> 00:27:52,005 it was Donald Sutherland and Stockard Channing. 657 00:27:52,047 --> 00:27:54,507 -You were with the big dogs. -Courtney B. Vance had done it 658 00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:58,053 on Broadway, you know, so I was like, "I got to do it." 659 00:27:58,094 --> 00:28:00,513 So I went so deep into the character. 660 00:28:00,555 --> 00:28:04,851 I spent nine days without breaking character 661 00:28:04,893 --> 00:28:07,854 before we shot, right? 662 00:28:07,896 --> 00:28:10,940 -Is this because of you, or is this coming from -- 663 00:28:10,982 --> 00:28:12,484 -Well, that was me. No, that was -- 664 00:28:12,525 --> 00:28:14,861 -Someone like, "Yo, you got to go deep. Go in character. 665 00:28:14,903 --> 00:28:16,279 Don't go in there not in character." 666 00:28:16,321 --> 00:28:18,031 This is just you overthinking, overworking. 667 00:28:18,073 --> 00:28:20,075 -Just being stupid. Just doing too much. 668 00:28:20,116 --> 00:28:22,660 -Okay. -And I went really far 669 00:28:22,702 --> 00:28:26,373 into the character and, 670 00:28:26,414 --> 00:28:30,085 like, I fell in love with Stockard Channing, 671 00:28:30,126 --> 00:28:35,340 and I was like, "Oh, no, the movie's over, 672 00:28:35,382 --> 00:28:37,300 and that feeling's not going away." 673 00:28:37,342 --> 00:28:42,889 I was like -- and that's when I realized that you're -- 674 00:28:42,931 --> 00:28:47,227 What you call you, if you do something else 675 00:28:47,268 --> 00:28:51,189 long enough, your mind will twist. 676 00:28:51,231 --> 00:28:52,732 -Conform? -Like, you can -- Yeah. 677 00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:54,859 It'll conform to that. -Convince yourself of anything. 678 00:28:54,901 --> 00:28:58,863 -You sit in front of somebody looking long enough, you know, 679 00:28:58,905 --> 00:29:00,699 and your lines are, "How much I love you" -- 680 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:02,117 -You're not bad. -[ Laughs ] 681 00:29:02,158 --> 00:29:04,869 -You know, you're all right. -You know? 682 00:29:04,911 --> 00:29:06,830 -This day four. I think I do love you. 683 00:29:06,871 --> 00:29:10,542 -You know what? I'ma sit closer. I'ma sit closer. 684 00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:12,043 You know? [ Laughs ] 685 00:29:12,085 --> 00:29:16,881 But, like, I went far. I went far in "Six Degrees." 686 00:29:16,923 --> 00:29:19,009 And coming back to "The Fresh Prince," 687 00:29:19,050 --> 00:29:24,431 I actually forgot how to play Will. 688 00:29:24,472 --> 00:29:28,810 -Wow. Wow. -And Alfonso was like, 689 00:29:28,852 --> 00:29:31,271 "What the fuck is wrong with you?" 690 00:29:31,312 --> 00:29:33,023 I was like, "What do you mean, Alfonso?" 691 00:29:33,064 --> 00:29:35,191 -Oh, shit. -Like, but I literally 692 00:29:35,233 --> 00:29:38,194 couldn't hear. I had twisted my voice so long. 693 00:29:38,236 --> 00:29:41,322 It was like I lost how I walked. -Yeah. 694 00:29:41,364 --> 00:29:44,034 -I had walked, you know, for three and a half months 695 00:29:44,075 --> 00:29:45,827 like that character, and I went so hard, 696 00:29:45,869 --> 00:29:48,872 and it was like -- it was actually scary 697 00:29:48,913 --> 00:29:51,624 that you can slip away like that. 698 00:29:51,666 --> 00:29:53,710 -And by the way, you know, you -- 699 00:29:53,752 --> 00:29:55,170 I've heard about these things. 700 00:29:55,211 --> 00:29:58,006 I've -- I can't say that I've experienced them 701 00:29:58,048 --> 00:30:00,967 because I've never dove that deep into. 702 00:30:01,009 --> 00:30:03,595 -You will. -But I've heard about the side 703 00:30:03,636 --> 00:30:05,305 of like, yo, you get lost and then you got to, 704 00:30:05,347 --> 00:30:07,974 like you said, find your way back to 705 00:30:08,016 --> 00:30:09,184 what's considered to be normal. 706 00:30:09,225 --> 00:30:10,643 Okay. "Six Degrees of Separation." 707 00:30:10,685 --> 00:30:11,895 -"Emancipation." 708 00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:14,522 I went too far in "Emancipation." 709 00:30:14,564 --> 00:30:16,066 -Really? -Yeah. 710 00:30:16,107 --> 00:30:18,360 -In research and everything? 711 00:30:18,401 --> 00:30:21,654 -Just bringing it up, I start to get teary. 712 00:30:21,696 --> 00:30:24,115 -Okay. -Right? 713 00:30:24,157 --> 00:30:28,161 It's like I wanted to -- 714 00:30:28,203 --> 00:30:31,873 I wanted to feel the degradation of slavery. 715 00:30:31,915 --> 00:30:34,084 -Okay. -And I just, I went -- 716 00:30:34,125 --> 00:30:39,339 I went too far in it. And it was -- it's like... 717 00:30:39,381 --> 00:30:43,510 you know, the level of human brutality. 718 00:30:43,551 --> 00:30:45,345 -Yeah. -What we will do to each other. 719 00:30:45,387 --> 00:30:46,680 And, you know, I had the metal -- 720 00:30:46,721 --> 00:30:49,349 I had the chains on my neck. 721 00:30:49,391 --> 00:30:54,062 And we were working and, you know, so I was like, 722 00:30:54,104 --> 00:30:56,356 "I want the real weight. Put the real weight of them. 723 00:30:56,398 --> 00:30:58,274 I want the real chains, all of that." 724 00:30:58,316 --> 00:31:01,945 So they got, you know, old... -Yeah. 725 00:31:01,986 --> 00:31:06,199 -...chains, and so they put it on my neck. 726 00:31:06,241 --> 00:31:08,368 And they were fitting it for size. 727 00:31:08,410 --> 00:31:11,371 And I'm standing there, and the prop master 728 00:31:11,413 --> 00:31:14,457 went to put the key in, and the key didn't work. 729 00:31:14,499 --> 00:31:16,751 -Panic. -And I was like -- 730 00:31:16,793 --> 00:31:19,713 And I was like, "Oh, no." I was like, "Will, relax." 731 00:31:19,754 --> 00:31:23,258 And I'm standing there, and they're running around 732 00:31:23,299 --> 00:31:25,468 and they couldn't get me out of it. 733 00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:27,429 And I'm standing there and those chains, dude. 734 00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:29,305 -Jesus Christ. -And like that -- right on 735 00:31:29,347 --> 00:31:31,016 that hyperventilating edge. 736 00:31:31,057 --> 00:31:32,308 And I'm okay. I'm okay. 737 00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:34,811 And they found it and they got it out. 738 00:31:34,853 --> 00:31:37,731 And I was like, you know... 739 00:31:37,772 --> 00:31:40,400 Peter was the character. 740 00:31:40,442 --> 00:31:44,279 He didn't -- nobody was running around to get him out, you know? 741 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,990 And I just kept falling deeper and deeper 742 00:31:47,032 --> 00:31:50,326 into that understanding, like... 743 00:31:50,368 --> 00:31:56,458 you know, coming face to face with... 744 00:31:56,499 --> 00:31:58,710 -That! -...that level of atrocity. 745 00:31:58,752 --> 00:32:00,920 And we're out in the scenes and, you know, it was, 746 00:32:00,962 --> 00:32:04,924 you know, getting called "nigger" a hundred times a day, 747 00:32:04,966 --> 00:32:06,968 you know, by very good actors. 748 00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:09,095 -Yeah, by day -- -Very, very good actors, 749 00:32:09,137 --> 00:32:11,598 exquisite performers, exquisite performers. 750 00:32:11,639 --> 00:32:13,475 -You be like, "Hey, man." -Yeah. [ Laughs ] 751 00:32:13,516 --> 00:32:15,435 -"Are you -- Are we still acting?" 752 00:32:15,477 --> 00:32:18,271 -I was like, "Hey, hey! Cut, cut." 753 00:32:18,313 --> 00:32:20,440 -"Cut. Can I talk to you for a second? You..." 754 00:32:20,482 --> 00:32:22,901 -Hey. [ Snaps fingers ] -"Your 'niggers' have gotten 755 00:32:22,942 --> 00:32:24,402 sharper since we..." -Get your boy. 756 00:32:24,444 --> 00:32:27,322 -"They've gotten a lot sharper since we started." 757 00:32:27,364 --> 00:32:28,990 -Lighten up on that "e-r." -Yeah, can you -- 758 00:32:29,032 --> 00:32:31,034 -Lighten up on that "e-r." -Just for me? 759 00:32:31,076 --> 00:32:32,535 Two of them. Fuck it up. 760 00:32:32,577 --> 00:32:35,830 "I've never seen an actor give eight great takes 761 00:32:35,872 --> 00:32:37,624 that are the same in my life. 762 00:32:37,665 --> 00:32:41,002 You ain't miss one 'e-r.'" -[ Laughs ] 763 00:32:41,044 --> 00:32:44,089 -"This whole set, not one of you guys have missed one 'e-r.'" 764 00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:46,508 No, I get it, getting lost in those -- 765 00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:48,677 -I dream about Peter still. -Wow. 766 00:32:48,718 --> 00:32:51,471 -Like, and that's what happens when, like, when you -- 767 00:32:51,513 --> 00:32:53,473 when you spend that time and you push your -- 768 00:32:53,515 --> 00:32:55,725 you push your mind that far and you just consume it 769 00:32:55,767 --> 00:32:58,770 and you surround yourself on all sides by it. 770 00:32:58,812 --> 00:33:00,647 And that's what happened. It, like, starts to leak 771 00:33:00,689 --> 00:33:04,192 into your subconscious, and now you're dreaming. 772 00:33:04,234 --> 00:33:06,319 And, you know, I wouldn't give it back. 773 00:33:06,361 --> 00:33:09,989 It was one of the greatest experiences 774 00:33:10,031 --> 00:33:12,450 I've ever had as an actor. 775 00:33:12,492 --> 00:33:18,123 It's like Peter introduced me to God. 776 00:33:18,164 --> 00:33:19,457 Right? -Wow. 777 00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:22,252 -Like, my faith got solid... -Wow. 778 00:33:22,293 --> 00:33:25,255 -...after working on that movie. -Wow. 779 00:33:25,296 --> 00:33:26,798 Wow. I don't know about you guys, 780 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,467 but after hearing that, I want a little more wine. 781 00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:31,011 We're gonna take a quick break. 782 00:33:31,052 --> 00:33:33,013 We got more "Hart to Heart" coming up after this. 783 00:33:33,054 --> 00:33:34,431 DLynn, please. 784 00:33:34,472 --> 00:33:42,105 ** 785 00:33:45,775 --> 00:33:50,655 ** 786 00:33:50,697 --> 00:33:52,490 -Welcome back. This is still "Hart to Heart." 787 00:33:52,532 --> 00:33:54,826 And we are talking with Will Smith. 788 00:33:54,868 --> 00:33:56,786 An amazing conversation. -You realize we didn't cheers. 789 00:33:56,828 --> 00:33:58,872 We didn't cheers. We both started drinking. 790 00:33:58,913 --> 00:34:01,499 -'Cause you were so persistent on getting your goddamn glass 791 00:34:01,541 --> 00:34:03,418 filled that you didn't think to do it 792 00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:05,211 and you wanted to choke yourself. 793 00:34:05,253 --> 00:34:06,463 If you had of thought for two seconds 794 00:34:06,504 --> 00:34:07,922 about what we were supposed to do 795 00:34:07,964 --> 00:34:09,966 and not damn near kill yourself, we would have cheers-ed. 796 00:34:10,008 --> 00:34:11,801 -Do you want to cheers or you don't want to cheers? 797 00:34:11,843 --> 00:34:13,511 Right? -I'm saying you're right. 798 00:34:13,553 --> 00:34:15,764 I'm sorry. Yeah. Cheers. Cheers. I appreciate you, man. 799 00:34:15,805 --> 00:34:17,599 -Let's do it without the commentary next time. 800 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,894 -Yeah, well, absolutely. Okay. Sorry. 801 00:34:20,935 --> 00:34:23,355 Dude, I'm so engulfed 802 00:34:23,396 --> 00:34:26,358 and engaged by what you're talking about. 803 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:28,193 I want to go to a point now where it seems 804 00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:30,737 as if you made this shift, right? 805 00:34:30,779 --> 00:34:33,198 Before the movie "Focus," Will -- 806 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,699 Will wasn't around for a minute. 807 00:34:34,741 --> 00:34:36,618 There seemed to be a break. Right? 808 00:34:36,659 --> 00:34:39,788 And I don't know what the break was for. I don't know why. 809 00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:42,707 And then there's another break, and then you come back 810 00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:46,544 and there's this, like -- there's this commitment 811 00:34:46,586 --> 00:34:50,340 to the generation of new and now -- 812 00:34:50,382 --> 00:34:53,635 social media, the idea of YouTube, 813 00:34:53,677 --> 00:34:55,387 your bucket list. -Yeah, yeah. 814 00:34:55,428 --> 00:34:58,056 -What did you see that made you determine 815 00:34:58,098 --> 00:35:00,600 to make those decisions at the level that you made them at? 816 00:35:00,642 --> 00:35:03,895 -I saw you and The Rock whooping my ass at the box office. 817 00:35:03,937 --> 00:35:05,146 -Okay. All right. 818 00:35:05,188 --> 00:35:06,481 -And I was like, "It can't happen." 819 00:35:06,523 --> 00:35:08,024 -I didn't make -- I didn't expect it to -- 820 00:35:08,066 --> 00:35:10,235 -No, that's what happened. Let's keep it real. 821 00:35:10,276 --> 00:35:11,569 I saw you and The Rock... -A quick turn. 822 00:35:11,611 --> 00:35:12,904 -...whooping my ass at the box office. 823 00:35:12,946 --> 00:35:14,572 -Yeah. Got it. -And I knew you were talking 824 00:35:14,614 --> 00:35:17,033 about me behind my back. I could tell. I could tell. 825 00:35:17,075 --> 00:35:19,411 -Well, I don't think -- I actually don't -- 826 00:35:19,452 --> 00:35:21,913 -No. All right. -Okay. We may have said -- 827 00:35:21,955 --> 00:35:23,707 -We're from Philly. It was you and me. 828 00:35:23,748 --> 00:35:25,625 Now, all of a sudden, every time you're with Dwayne. 829 00:35:25,667 --> 00:35:27,544 -There was one moment, I think, where I was quoted, 830 00:35:27,585 --> 00:35:29,045 "This is my motherfucking city." 831 00:35:29,087 --> 00:35:30,296 -Yes. Right. 832 00:35:30,338 --> 00:35:32,090 -Outside of that... -I heard that. 833 00:35:32,132 --> 00:35:34,884 [ Both laugh ] 834 00:35:34,926 --> 00:35:36,761 -No, man. -Oh, he got a new friend now. 835 00:35:36,803 --> 00:35:39,472 -[ Laughs ] -Oh, so he got a new -- 836 00:35:39,514 --> 00:35:40,932 he got a bodybuilding friend now, huh? 837 00:35:40,974 --> 00:35:43,935 -It was a real -- there was a real thing, like -- 838 00:35:43,977 --> 00:35:47,272 like, I don't think people understand 839 00:35:47,313 --> 00:35:48,857 what we were able to witness, right? 840 00:35:48,898 --> 00:35:51,484 Like, you know, you have people that engage 841 00:35:51,526 --> 00:35:52,819 in social media and some that don't. 842 00:35:52,861 --> 00:35:54,946 And by the way, either one is fine. 843 00:35:54,988 --> 00:35:59,784 But there was a real commitment to working that machine, 844 00:35:59,826 --> 00:36:01,953 by the way, that matched the energy 845 00:36:01,995 --> 00:36:06,082 of how you work the box office, how you work the fan base. 846 00:36:06,124 --> 00:36:10,712 And now there's a seamless consistency through it all. 847 00:36:10,754 --> 00:36:14,341 -So there was a couple things that happened. 848 00:36:14,382 --> 00:36:17,010 You pointed out a couple of spots. 849 00:36:17,052 --> 00:36:19,679 So, the first thing, 850 00:36:19,721 --> 00:36:24,684 the first time I, like, tucked back a little bit... 851 00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:30,231 2010... 852 00:36:30,273 --> 00:36:34,569 was, like, the greatest year 853 00:36:34,611 --> 00:36:40,700 of my life as an artist, as a parent. 854 00:36:40,742 --> 00:36:46,206 "Karate Kid" came out in June. -Mm-hmm. 855 00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:48,333 -"Whip My Hair" came out, 856 00:36:48,375 --> 00:36:51,461 you know, in October. -Both kids. 857 00:36:51,503 --> 00:36:53,338 -Both kids, yeah. -Climbing away. 858 00:36:53,380 --> 00:36:54,964 Seem to be happy finding a career. 859 00:36:55,006 --> 00:37:00,595 -And I'm building this dream of a family I've had in my mind. 860 00:37:00,637 --> 00:37:02,847 I'm gonna do it better than my father did it. 861 00:37:02,889 --> 00:37:04,891 -Mm-hmm. -We've talked about it. 862 00:37:04,933 --> 00:37:06,685 -Absolutely. -You know, my father 863 00:37:06,726 --> 00:37:11,564 was abusive, you know, and... 864 00:37:11,606 --> 00:37:16,069 I told myself I would never have that kind of energy 865 00:37:16,111 --> 00:37:17,696 with my family. 866 00:37:17,737 --> 00:37:21,408 And I had a dream and an idea of a family that I was building. 867 00:37:21,449 --> 00:37:24,828 And pretty much 2010 to 2012, 868 00:37:24,869 --> 00:37:28,623 I had achieved everything that I had ever dreamed. 869 00:37:28,665 --> 00:37:30,917 I was beyond the wildest dreams. 870 00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:36,881 I had been blessed beyond anything I can imagine. 871 00:37:36,923 --> 00:37:39,551 But nobody in my family was happy. 872 00:37:39,592 --> 00:37:42,387 -Mm. -Right? Like... 873 00:37:42,429 --> 00:37:44,556 Nobody wanted to be in a platoon, 874 00:37:44,597 --> 00:37:48,059 -Mm-hmm. -Right? You know? 875 00:37:48,101 --> 00:37:53,481 And Willow was the first one to begin the mutiny. 876 00:37:54,774 --> 00:37:59,070 And, you know, it was -- 877 00:37:59,112 --> 00:38:02,073 It was the -- It was my first realization 878 00:38:02,115 --> 00:38:05,452 that success and money don't mean happiness. 879 00:38:05,493 --> 00:38:06,828 -Yeah. -Right? 880 00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:09,414 Up until that point, I really believed 881 00:38:09,456 --> 00:38:13,668 that you could succeed your way 882 00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:15,754 to a house and a family 883 00:38:15,795 --> 00:38:18,381 and that you could win your way to happiness. 884 00:38:18,423 --> 00:38:19,758 -Yeah, we're happy. -Yes. 885 00:38:19,799 --> 00:38:21,051 -We have to be happy. Look what we have. 886 00:38:21,092 --> 00:38:22,802 -Look what we have. -Yes, we're happy. 887 00:38:22,844 --> 00:38:29,768 -And that was my first introduction to the idea that 888 00:38:29,809 --> 00:38:33,605 material circumstances do not equal happiness, 889 00:38:33,646 --> 00:38:36,941 and in a lot of cases they can be the reason you're not happy. 890 00:38:36,983 --> 00:38:40,528 -Mm-hmm. -You can -- You can have 891 00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:44,115 so much stuff that it makes you miserable. 892 00:38:44,157 --> 00:38:47,869 And so that became -- so that was my first pull back. 893 00:38:47,911 --> 00:38:50,955 And I was like, okay, what am I missing? 894 00:38:50,997 --> 00:38:55,627 And that's when I started reading 895 00:38:55,669 --> 00:38:59,047 and, you know, studying psychology 896 00:38:59,089 --> 00:39:03,551 and the relation to human happiness. 897 00:39:03,593 --> 00:39:05,136 -Mm-hmm. 898 00:39:05,178 --> 00:39:09,391 -I would say I was never, like, unhappy. 899 00:39:09,432 --> 00:39:10,975 Like, I love life. -Mm-hmm. 900 00:39:11,017 --> 00:39:13,978 -But I was driving the people around me 901 00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:19,526 in a way that I was leaving scorched earth around me, right? 902 00:39:19,567 --> 00:39:23,988 So I was like, okay, what am I missing? 903 00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:27,033 And then that's when I started, you know, reading 904 00:39:27,075 --> 00:39:30,912 and I -- I say it this way. It makes -- 905 00:39:30,954 --> 00:39:32,872 It makes people laugh when I say it. 906 00:39:32,914 --> 00:39:37,002 But it's like I discovered feelings, right? 907 00:39:37,043 --> 00:39:40,714 That -- you know, we talked about this before, too. 908 00:39:40,755 --> 00:39:42,590 -You can see it in my face. -Yeah. 'Cause, like -- 909 00:39:42,632 --> 00:39:44,134 -I align. I understand. 910 00:39:44,175 --> 00:39:46,011 -Like, I never give a fuck about feelings. 911 00:39:46,052 --> 00:39:49,097 You can't care about feelings. How are you gonna win 912 00:39:49,139 --> 00:39:50,932 if you're worried about how you feel? 913 00:39:50,974 --> 00:39:52,100 -I don't have fucking time for that. 914 00:39:52,142 --> 00:39:53,893 -Yeah. I don't care how I feel, 915 00:39:53,935 --> 00:39:55,478 so I definitely don't care how you feel, right? 916 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,480 And if you feel bad, you better keep it to yourself. 917 00:39:57,522 --> 00:39:59,024 -Don't tell me. -Exactly. 918 00:39:59,065 --> 00:40:00,358 -Don't bring it over here. -Don't bring it over here. 919 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,901 -'Cause I got shit to do -Now you pulling me down. 920 00:40:01,943 --> 00:40:03,903 -Don't bring that energy here. -Right. 921 00:40:03,945 --> 00:40:08,199 So, as you probably learned also, that doesn't work at home. 922 00:40:08,241 --> 00:40:10,326 -It's the worst shit in the world. 923 00:40:10,368 --> 00:40:11,870 -[ Laughs ] -It's the worst. 924 00:40:11,911 --> 00:40:14,706 You don't have a -- You don't have a bigger advocate... 925 00:40:14,748 --> 00:40:16,958 -Yeah. -...for what you're saying 926 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,128 than Kevin Hart. There's a day where you go -- 927 00:40:20,170 --> 00:40:22,422 and I know what you're talking about -- when you go, 928 00:40:22,464 --> 00:40:23,923 "What is it that I'm doing?" 929 00:40:23,965 --> 00:40:25,425 -What the fuck is wrong with y'all? 930 00:40:25,467 --> 00:40:28,011 -Yeah, are you kidding me? Have y'all looked around? 931 00:40:28,053 --> 00:40:31,556 -Y'all niggas better clap. -You better. 932 00:40:31,598 --> 00:40:33,099 And there's a moment. -[ Laughs ] 933 00:40:33,141 --> 00:40:35,602 -There's a moment where you realize you have to go, 934 00:40:35,643 --> 00:40:36,811 "Oh, shit." -Yeah. 935 00:40:36,853 --> 00:40:38,772 -Like, my little girl... -Mm-hmm. 936 00:40:38,813 --> 00:40:40,398 -My little girl don't give a damn about that. 937 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,941 My little girl want to hold my hand and... 938 00:40:41,983 --> 00:40:44,652 -Exactly. -...get a hug. Yo, my son -- 939 00:40:44,694 --> 00:40:46,613 Goddamn it, I ain't rode a bike with this -- 940 00:40:46,654 --> 00:40:48,239 I need to get on a bike. -Exactly. 941 00:40:48,281 --> 00:40:49,949 -I need to sit down... -All of that. 942 00:40:49,991 --> 00:40:53,078 -...sit at the table and talk and not do the thing 943 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,955 that is organized and structured, like you -- 944 00:40:55,997 --> 00:40:57,957 I know what you're saying. -Yeah. 945 00:40:57,999 --> 00:41:00,835 -I see. I understand clearly. -I'm not crying. 946 00:41:00,877 --> 00:41:03,296 I'm just wiping my eyes. -That's your business. 947 00:41:03,338 --> 00:41:05,423 -I'm just saying. I mean, I just don't want you 948 00:41:05,465 --> 00:41:06,925 to think you're interviewing me so good 949 00:41:06,966 --> 00:41:08,593 you're making me cry. -It's fine. 950 00:41:08,635 --> 00:41:09,928 It's fine. By the way, 951 00:41:09,969 --> 00:41:11,763 they call me the young Barbara Walters. 952 00:41:11,805 --> 00:41:13,973 [ Laughter ] 953 00:41:14,015 --> 00:41:17,227 -Negro -- Negro Walters. [ Laughter ] 954 00:41:17,268 --> 00:41:18,853 -Within that, right, 955 00:41:18,895 --> 00:41:20,313 we had a great conversation one time. 956 00:41:20,355 --> 00:41:21,940 We don't have to go into the Willow of at all. 957 00:41:21,981 --> 00:41:24,442 But I remember what you told me, and, you know, 958 00:41:24,484 --> 00:41:27,278 the line with the -- the, "Whip my hair back and forth" 959 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,197 and success and everything. -Yeah. 960 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,992 -So your moment where you now sit in that, you realize that, 961 00:41:33,034 --> 00:41:36,496 was the decision, "I'm gonna now commit to this"? 962 00:41:36,538 --> 00:41:39,874 -Yes. It was like, "Okay so..." 963 00:41:39,916 --> 00:41:41,960 You know, that was the first thing I had achieved 964 00:41:42,002 --> 00:41:43,670 everything I wanted. I was like, "Okay, 965 00:41:43,712 --> 00:41:46,339 so that's not gonna make, you know..." 966 00:41:46,381 --> 00:41:47,882 I seemed pretty happy. 967 00:41:47,924 --> 00:41:49,884 I was cool with it, but nobody around me. 968 00:41:49,926 --> 00:41:52,137 So then I started -- excuse me -- 969 00:41:52,178 --> 00:41:54,848 trying to figure out what the thing that I was missing. 970 00:41:54,889 --> 00:41:57,017 So I started... 971 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,146 ...trying to be concerned 972 00:42:01,187 --> 00:42:06,151 for everybody's feelings. -Mm-hmm. 973 00:42:06,192 --> 00:42:09,529 By the way, this is you after "Six Degrees of Separation." 974 00:42:09,571 --> 00:42:12,157 -Yeah, right. [ Laughs ] -You coming back to the set... 975 00:42:12,198 --> 00:42:13,825 -Yeah. -...of "Fresh Prince" 976 00:42:13,867 --> 00:42:16,161 and trying to walk. -Yes, exactly. 977 00:42:16,202 --> 00:42:19,164 -You're trying to have feelings without knowing 978 00:42:19,205 --> 00:42:21,666 how to best orchestrate that feeling 979 00:42:21,708 --> 00:42:24,294 'cause you haven't done it. So now I'm trying to learn. 980 00:42:24,336 --> 00:42:26,588 Am I doing it correctly? Are you -- I got it. 981 00:42:26,629 --> 00:42:29,966 -And then that's when I, like, discovered, you know, 982 00:42:30,008 --> 00:42:31,468 therapy and all that. Oh, people can help. 983 00:42:31,509 --> 00:42:32,927 Oh, you don't have to do it yourself. Somebody -- 984 00:42:32,969 --> 00:42:34,471 Okay. All right, so... 985 00:42:34,512 --> 00:42:36,097 All right. Somebody can help me talk to my daughter. 986 00:42:36,139 --> 00:42:38,725 Somebody can help me talk to my sons and my wife. 987 00:42:38,767 --> 00:42:40,643 Okay. Oh, cool. That's perfect. 988 00:42:40,685 --> 00:42:43,355 You know, so I started, you know, 989 00:42:43,396 --> 00:42:46,816 doing that and trying to work and trying to understand. 990 00:42:46,858 --> 00:42:50,653 And the hardest part 991 00:42:50,695 --> 00:42:54,074 was to give a fuck. -Mm. 992 00:42:54,115 --> 00:42:55,700 -Right? So I'm sitting there, 993 00:42:55,742 --> 00:43:00,163 and it's like it is so hitting that fear spot within me 994 00:43:00,205 --> 00:43:05,293 because if you give in to feelings, you will be destroyed. 995 00:43:05,335 --> 00:43:08,630 -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. -If you give in to feelings, 996 00:43:08,672 --> 00:43:10,298 you are going to be destroyed. 997 00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:14,969 So it was almost like the life and death for me. 998 00:43:15,011 --> 00:43:16,846 So I was trying to learn how to settle in there, 999 00:43:16,888 --> 00:43:19,224 learning how to settle in there. 1000 00:43:19,265 --> 00:43:22,268 And then, you know, coming out of that, 1001 00:43:22,310 --> 00:43:26,564 the other phase you were talking about when I started 1002 00:43:26,606 --> 00:43:29,567 with social media, part of that time of, like, 1003 00:43:29,609 --> 00:43:33,238 spending dipping into feelings, I was realizing 1004 00:43:33,279 --> 00:43:37,242 I wasn't living how I wanted to live. 1005 00:43:37,283 --> 00:43:38,368 -Okay. 1006 00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:41,246 -I was living how I needed to live 1007 00:43:41,287 --> 00:43:46,001 to sustain the picture that I wanted. 1008 00:43:46,042 --> 00:43:47,419 -You weren't stepping outside the comfort zone? 1009 00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:50,255 -Yes, I was like -- I was -- I wasn't -- 1010 00:43:50,296 --> 00:43:53,091 There were things that I wanted to do. 1011 00:43:53,133 --> 00:43:54,926 There were things I wanted to say. 1012 00:43:54,968 --> 00:43:56,428 There were places I wanted to go. 1013 00:43:56,469 --> 00:43:58,930 But the life that I built didn't allow. 1014 00:43:58,972 --> 00:44:00,140 -Didn't allow you to. -Right? 1015 00:44:00,181 --> 00:44:01,933 -You can't step outside the line. 1016 00:44:01,975 --> 00:44:03,435 -Can't step outside the line. 1017 00:44:03,476 --> 00:44:06,396 You know, I'm working with companies 1018 00:44:06,438 --> 00:44:09,107 and things like that that need me to be a certain way. 1019 00:44:09,149 --> 00:44:10,442 -Brand-friendly. -My family needs me. 1020 00:44:10,483 --> 00:44:13,403 Yes, absolutely. -I have to be the brand 1021 00:44:13,445 --> 00:44:17,115 that I have built over the course of 20 years. 1022 00:44:17,157 --> 00:44:21,369 And I have to be as professional and I have to be this thing. 1023 00:44:21,411 --> 00:44:23,705 -Absolutely. -And by the way, in doing that, 1024 00:44:23,747 --> 00:44:26,041 well, there is a reservation that presents itself 1025 00:44:26,082 --> 00:44:28,293 at some point in time, because I want to do this. 1026 00:44:28,335 --> 00:44:32,005 -I want to do something else, you know. I don't -- 1027 00:44:32,047 --> 00:44:33,965 I don't want that to be my schedule. 1028 00:44:34,007 --> 00:44:35,300 I want to have a different schedule. 1029 00:44:35,342 --> 00:44:37,469 -Yeah. -And exactly what I thought 1030 00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:40,013 would happen when I went into dealing with feelings 1031 00:44:40,055 --> 00:44:42,015 and looking at that, it was like, "Oh, shit. 1032 00:44:42,057 --> 00:44:43,433 Well, there's a lot of stuff 1033 00:44:43,475 --> 00:44:45,894 that I've agreed to do that I don't want to do." 1034 00:44:45,935 --> 00:44:48,063 -Yeah. Start to unpack now. -Right? 1035 00:44:48,104 --> 00:44:50,231 -Now it's time to unpack some luggage in there. 1036 00:44:50,273 --> 00:44:51,649 -Yes, you know? -Yeah. 1037 00:44:51,691 --> 00:44:55,487 -And I think the the thing 1038 00:44:55,528 --> 00:44:59,491 where I really -- the demarcation line 1039 00:44:59,532 --> 00:45:02,202 was on my 50th birthday when I jumped out 1040 00:45:02,243 --> 00:45:05,330 the helicopter over the Grand Canyon. 1041 00:45:05,372 --> 00:45:09,084 That was, like, the day I decided I was gonna live 1042 00:45:09,125 --> 00:45:11,127 how I wanted to live. 1043 00:45:11,169 --> 00:45:14,130 -Wow. Stop right here for a second. 1044 00:45:14,172 --> 00:45:16,675 We got to take a quick break. Please keep it locked. 1045 00:45:16,716 --> 00:45:18,802 We got more "Hart to Heart" coming up after this. 1046 00:45:18,843 --> 00:45:22,305 -Three, two, one! 1047 00:45:22,347 --> 00:45:24,516 Go! Yay! 1048 00:45:24,557 --> 00:45:27,519 Whoo! Yeah! 1049 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,730 [ People cheering ] 1050 00:45:30,772 --> 00:45:31,773 -Yeah! 1051 00:45:31,815 --> 00:45:33,650 [ People cheering ] 1052 00:45:33,692 --> 00:45:36,820 -Whoo! Ah! 1053 00:45:36,861 --> 00:45:42,117 ** 1054 00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:50,250 ** 1055 00:45:50,291 --> 00:45:52,085 -Welcome back to "Hart to Heart." 1056 00:45:52,127 --> 00:45:53,670 I'm still sitting here with Will Smith, 1057 00:45:53,712 --> 00:45:58,425 and the conversation is amazing, as you guys can see. 1058 00:45:58,466 --> 00:46:00,844 Will, you were talking about family. 1059 00:46:00,885 --> 00:46:04,389 There's a moment where you and Jada are talking after... 1060 00:46:04,431 --> 00:46:06,516 -Mm-hmm. -...and Jada goes, 1061 00:46:06,558 --> 00:46:08,685 "I saw you gathering yourself." -Mm-hmm. 1062 00:46:08,727 --> 00:46:10,186 -"And then there's a moment where you looked up 1063 00:46:10,228 --> 00:46:11,855 and I knew you were ready." -Mm-hmm. 1064 00:46:11,896 --> 00:46:15,525 -And then you do the replay and you, like, sitting there 1065 00:46:15,567 --> 00:46:18,528 and whatever the fuck you saying to yourself, you're saying. 1066 00:46:18,570 --> 00:46:21,156 But then it's like somebody pressed the button 1067 00:46:21,197 --> 00:46:23,658 and you said... -[ Laughs ] 1068 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:26,411 -...and whatever the fuck that thing was, 1069 00:46:26,453 --> 00:46:27,996 I'll never forget it. -Yeah. 1070 00:46:28,038 --> 00:46:29,539 -Jada was like, "That's when I knew you was ready. 1071 00:46:29,581 --> 00:46:31,332 I knew you was ready." You sat up. 1072 00:46:31,374 --> 00:46:33,209 Motherfucker, you wasn't blinking. It's like... 1073 00:46:33,251 --> 00:46:34,419 -[ Laughs ] 1074 00:46:34,461 --> 00:46:35,503 -I remember. I remember my word. 1075 00:46:35,545 --> 00:46:38,173 I said, "Oh, this nigga crazy." 1076 00:46:38,214 --> 00:46:39,883 Like, I was waiting for you to go, 1077 00:46:39,924 --> 00:46:42,302 "Nah, fuck this. Pull me up. 1078 00:46:42,344 --> 00:46:44,512 Cut it off. Like, we... 1079 00:46:44,554 --> 00:46:46,765 Throw the dummy down." -The dummy, yeah. 1080 00:46:46,806 --> 00:46:48,058 -You... -Dude. 1081 00:46:48,099 --> 00:46:49,851 -...you did it, but that jump, 1082 00:46:49,893 --> 00:46:52,562 I can only imagine, meant so much more. 1083 00:46:52,604 --> 00:46:55,440 That was -- It was bigger than the bungee jump 1084 00:46:55,482 --> 00:46:58,068 just for the moment. Like, that's a real jump. 1085 00:46:58,109 --> 00:46:59,319 That's a life jump. 1086 00:46:59,361 --> 00:47:05,742 -That moment is the key to life. 1087 00:47:05,784 --> 00:47:08,578 If you can understand. 1088 00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:10,747 Take a deep breath. -Mm-hmm. 1089 00:47:10,789 --> 00:47:16,086 -Stick your arms out, and surrender to life. 1090 00:47:16,127 --> 00:47:19,381 If you can understand that, right, 1091 00:47:19,422 --> 00:47:21,675 nobody's in control. 1092 00:47:21,716 --> 00:47:24,260 It's an illusion that you're in control. 1093 00:47:24,302 --> 00:47:27,347 -Mm-hmm. -Life got you. Right? 1094 00:47:27,389 --> 00:47:28,890 -But you don't know that till you get got. 1095 00:47:28,932 --> 00:47:31,059 -You don't know, right. Yeah. -You got to get got. 1096 00:47:31,101 --> 00:47:33,645 -You got to get got, like -- -My accident was me getting got. 1097 00:47:33,687 --> 00:47:36,272 -Yeah, yeah. -Life got me. God got me. 1098 00:47:36,314 --> 00:47:38,191 God said, "Hey, come here." -Come here, yep. 1099 00:47:38,233 --> 00:47:39,693 -"Let me show you something." -Yeah. 1100 00:47:39,734 --> 00:47:41,277 -"Let me show you something, little boy. You..." 1101 00:47:41,319 --> 00:47:43,697 -Mm-hmm. Oh, you think -- -"You think you..." 1102 00:47:43,738 --> 00:47:45,949 [ Laughs ] "Come here. Let me show you something." 1103 00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:48,284 -Hey, little boy, watch what I'm gonna do with this car. 1104 00:47:48,326 --> 00:47:50,495 Watch this. Watch this. Bang! [ Laughs ] 1105 00:47:50,537 --> 00:47:52,789 -And it's not -- It's not till you get that... 1106 00:47:52,831 --> 00:47:54,124 -Yep. Absolutely. -...and then you get 1107 00:47:54,165 --> 00:47:55,792 in that room... -Yep. 1108 00:47:55,834 --> 00:47:57,419 -...and you look in the room and you look around at people 1109 00:47:57,460 --> 00:47:59,671 you're like, "Oh, shit. 1110 00:47:59,713 --> 00:48:01,381 Oh, fuck. Ain't no cameras here. Ain't nobody. 1111 00:48:01,423 --> 00:48:03,133 Where are my fans at?" -Yeah. 1112 00:48:03,174 --> 00:48:05,343 -"Where the whole star-- Where the idea of stardom at? 1113 00:48:05,385 --> 00:48:07,929 Where's the -- Where's the glitz, the glamour, 1114 00:48:07,971 --> 00:48:10,807 the -- where's the thing at? Where the Ferraris?" 1115 00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:12,308 -Yeah. -"Where's the watches?" 1116 00:48:12,350 --> 00:48:15,395 You have to get got, to your point. 1117 00:48:15,437 --> 00:48:16,646 -Absolutely. -So when you're talking about 1118 00:48:16,688 --> 00:48:18,523 surrendering respectfully... -Yeah. 1119 00:48:18,565 --> 00:48:21,443 -...and listening to what you're saying, you know that... 1120 00:48:21,484 --> 00:48:23,403 -Yeah. -...because things happen to you 1121 00:48:23,445 --> 00:48:24,863 that forced you to surrender. -Absolutely. 1122 00:48:24,904 --> 00:48:27,657 -And then after doing it, you saw the benefit. 1123 00:48:27,699 --> 00:48:31,619 -Yeah. I describe it as ecstatic surrender. 1124 00:48:31,661 --> 00:48:35,415 -Okay. -When you let go and it's like, 1125 00:48:35,457 --> 00:48:40,628 you know, you either trust God or you don't. 1126 00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:42,172 -Mm-hmm. -There's no middle. 1127 00:48:42,213 --> 00:48:44,257 -Mm-hmm. -You're gonna tear yourself 1128 00:48:44,299 --> 00:48:46,134 apart in the middle. -Mm-hmm. 1129 00:48:46,176 --> 00:48:49,429 -Right? And, you know, for me, 1130 00:48:49,471 --> 00:48:54,309 that process of coming to that place of humility 1131 00:48:54,351 --> 00:48:57,979 and surrender is... 1132 00:49:01,232 --> 00:49:03,151 You can't -- You can't teach it. 1133 00:49:03,193 --> 00:49:04,694 -Mm-hmm. -You can't teach it. 1134 00:49:04,736 --> 00:49:09,324 It's like you have to lean into life, 1135 00:49:09,366 --> 00:49:15,622 and you have to be torched by reality and... 1136 00:49:15,663 --> 00:49:21,044 the thing about being torched by life is that 1137 00:49:21,086 --> 00:49:23,755 only to fake things burn. -Mm. 1138 00:49:23,797 --> 00:49:27,717 -Nothing true burns. -Mm. Mm. 1139 00:49:27,759 --> 00:49:30,720 -Only your fantasies burn, right? 1140 00:49:30,762 --> 00:49:33,890 When you get torched by life, 1141 00:49:33,932 --> 00:49:38,895 the false things that you're holding on to about yourself, 1142 00:49:38,937 --> 00:49:42,399 the false things that you're holding on to about reality 1143 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,276 are the only things that can get touched. 1144 00:49:45,318 --> 00:49:50,657 -Mm. -And if you can stand the loss 1145 00:49:50,699 --> 00:49:54,077 of everything that's fake, everything that's fantasy, 1146 00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:58,415 everything that's delusional, if you can stand that, 1147 00:49:58,456 --> 00:50:01,584 you know, there's a trauma to it, 1148 00:50:01,626 --> 00:50:04,838 but if you can stand that, there's a -- 1149 00:50:04,879 --> 00:50:08,299 there's an emotionally invincible you 1150 00:50:08,341 --> 00:50:11,469 under your fakeness. -Mm-hmm. 1151 00:50:11,511 --> 00:50:12,929 -Right? -See, I love -- I love 1152 00:50:12,971 --> 00:50:18,184 what you're saying for two reasons, right? 1153 00:50:18,226 --> 00:50:19,644 You're Superman. 1154 00:50:19,686 --> 00:50:22,772 Here's what I mean by you're Superman. 1155 00:50:22,814 --> 00:50:25,775 You are the prince... -Mm-hmm. 1156 00:50:25,817 --> 00:50:29,654 -...to this Hollywood entertainment thing. 1157 00:50:29,696 --> 00:50:33,867 But when you see your prince be vulnerable, 1158 00:50:33,908 --> 00:50:38,830 well, it's so dope because you're bringing humility 1159 00:50:38,872 --> 00:50:42,667 to the job that people watch and respect 1160 00:50:42,709 --> 00:50:44,627 but forget. -Mm-hmm. 1161 00:50:44,669 --> 00:50:46,671 -We forget... -Yeah. 1162 00:50:46,713 --> 00:50:48,798 -...that there's a human side... -Yeah. 1163 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,509 -...to the thing that we watch from afar for so long, 1164 00:50:51,551 --> 00:50:53,970 'cause you're a superhero. -Mm-hmm. 1165 00:50:54,012 --> 00:50:55,680 -Will Smith, nah, you better not fucking cry. 1166 00:50:55,722 --> 00:50:57,057 You Will Smith. -Right. 1167 00:50:57,098 --> 00:50:58,475 -We forget that. -Yeah. 1168 00:50:58,516 --> 00:51:01,770 -So when we're talking like we're talking now, 1169 00:51:01,811 --> 00:51:04,731 I'm so blown away because I'm like, 1170 00:51:04,773 --> 00:51:07,067 people are so afraid to be fucking human. 1171 00:51:07,108 --> 00:51:08,943 -Yeah. -You're so afraid 1172 00:51:08,985 --> 00:51:11,654 to actually be human 'cause we get caught up 1173 00:51:11,696 --> 00:51:13,031 in the box of this thing we built... 1174 00:51:13,073 --> 00:51:15,784 -Absolutely. -...and the perfected idea 1175 00:51:15,825 --> 00:51:17,702 of what we are and where we are, who we are, 1176 00:51:17,744 --> 00:51:20,163 it cannot be touched. I don't want them to touch it. 1177 00:51:20,205 --> 00:51:21,748 You get lost in that. -Yeah. 1178 00:51:21,790 --> 00:51:26,503 -And the idea of human becomes third, not even second. 1179 00:51:26,544 --> 00:51:29,464 You made a decision to put the human first. 1180 00:51:29,506 --> 00:51:33,385 And by the way, it's visible. 1181 00:51:33,426 --> 00:51:35,011 Like, it's visible. -Yeah. 1182 00:51:35,053 --> 00:51:37,764 -I'm gonna tell you who else did it. 1183 00:51:37,806 --> 00:51:41,226 I'm gonna tell you who else fucking did it. 1184 00:51:41,267 --> 00:51:43,812 Kobe after retiring? -Yep. 1185 00:51:43,853 --> 00:51:46,231 -After retiring... -Yep. Absolutely. 1186 00:51:46,272 --> 00:51:48,608 -...Kobe made a decision. -Yep. 1187 00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:50,735 -In talking to Kobe -- 1188 00:51:50,777 --> 00:51:53,071 I remember talking to Kobe, and there was a moment 1189 00:51:53,113 --> 00:51:55,740 Kobe was like, "Kev, I'm the happiest I ever been." 1190 00:51:55,782 --> 00:51:58,660 -Yeah. -And I said -- I said, 1191 00:51:58,702 --> 00:52:00,078 "Why? You ain't playing ball." 1192 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,373 He said, "Man, I'm in tune with my kids." 1193 00:52:03,415 --> 00:52:07,210 -Yeah. -"I'm coaching my daughter's 1194 00:52:07,252 --> 00:52:12,215 basketball team and I'm into venture, investing. 1195 00:52:12,257 --> 00:52:13,717 I found a new..." 1196 00:52:13,758 --> 00:52:18,847 He found a new thing that allowed him to, like, 1197 00:52:18,888 --> 00:52:23,727 have a different level of energy and not the same... 1198 00:52:23,768 --> 00:52:26,312 'Cause he was this thing for so fucking long. 1199 00:52:26,354 --> 00:52:28,565 It's like he released and let that monkey off his back. 1200 00:52:28,606 --> 00:52:31,276 -When you -- dude. -He let the monkey off his back. 1201 00:52:31,317 --> 00:52:32,777 -Listen. It's like -- 1202 00:52:32,819 --> 00:52:34,487 -That's what I hear in what you're saying. 1203 00:52:34,529 --> 00:52:37,866 -Yeah, and it's like... 1204 00:52:37,907 --> 00:52:41,911 I haven't learned how to say this yet, but I'm glad -- 1205 00:52:41,953 --> 00:52:43,705 I'm glad you're talking about it in that way. 1206 00:52:43,747 --> 00:52:48,418 Right? It's like the... 1207 00:52:48,460 --> 00:52:50,670 [ Exhales ] 1208 00:52:50,712 --> 00:52:52,047 Let it go. -Yeah, I think I just said it. 1209 00:52:52,088 --> 00:52:53,757 I think it's monkey off your back. 1210 00:52:53,798 --> 00:52:56,676 -Monkey off your back, yeah. -I think I just said it. 1211 00:52:56,718 --> 00:52:58,261 I think I just said it. -You said it. 1212 00:52:58,303 --> 00:53:00,597 -Yeah, I think I was just -- It was simple the way I said it. 1213 00:53:00,638 --> 00:53:02,682 -Yeah, it's not -- It wasn't great. 1214 00:53:02,724 --> 00:53:04,100 It wasn't -- It wasn't great, Kev. The monkey -- 1215 00:53:04,142 --> 00:53:05,810 -Monkey off your back. -Because that's -- 1216 00:53:05,852 --> 00:53:08,271 It has alcoholic connotations with the monkey. 1217 00:53:08,313 --> 00:53:10,440 Like, it's just -- -I was just thinking of, like, 1218 00:53:10,482 --> 00:53:11,775 a strong-ass monkey on your back. 1219 00:53:11,816 --> 00:53:13,485 I didn't think about it. -Yeah. 1220 00:53:13,526 --> 00:53:15,737 -But you get what I'm saying? You understand what I'm saying? 1221 00:53:15,779 --> 00:53:17,364 -I do understand what you're saying, Kev. 1222 00:53:17,405 --> 00:53:19,866 It's just not a perfect analogy. -Okay, well, let's go with -- 1223 00:53:19,908 --> 00:53:21,451 -We're talking about my feelings. At some point -- 1224 00:53:21,493 --> 00:53:23,370 -Let's go with the exhale. -Okay. I mean, it's your show. 1225 00:53:23,411 --> 00:53:24,579 It's your show. -[ Exhales ] 1226 00:53:24,621 --> 00:53:25,955 I'll go with the exhale. 1227 00:53:25,997 --> 00:53:28,917 -I -- Now I'm offended and I'm tight. 1228 00:53:28,958 --> 00:53:30,669 -Okay, well, I don't want you to get tight. 1229 00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:32,045 I want to get back to the exhale 1230 00:53:32,087 --> 00:53:33,838 'cause we're in such a great place, right? 1231 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,966 I'm gonna tell you what. Don't do that. Don't. 1232 00:53:37,008 --> 00:53:39,678 Okay, don't -- You're right. Okay. 1233 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,640 I want to apologize for not going with Will's -- 1234 00:53:43,682 --> 00:53:45,058 You know what, this is the part -- 1235 00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:47,018 -Are you apologizing -- apologize into camera 1236 00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:48,812 so the world knows that you're sorry. 1237 00:53:48,853 --> 00:53:53,358 -I want to say sorry for not allowing Will's side 1238 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,818 of thinking to be heard. 1239 00:53:54,859 --> 00:53:58,071 And I assumed that my side was the right side. 1240 00:53:58,113 --> 00:54:00,490 -Yes. -Monkey on your back 1241 00:54:00,532 --> 00:54:02,158 is not fitting for everyone. -Yes. 1242 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,160 -Some people don't like monkeys. -Right. 1243 00:54:04,202 --> 00:54:05,829 -And... -And sometime the monkey's 1244 00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:07,664 on your front. It's like -- -You're right. 1245 00:54:07,706 --> 00:54:08,832 You're absolutely right. 1246 00:54:08,873 --> 00:54:09,833 -And sometimes it's not a monkey. 1247 00:54:09,874 --> 00:54:11,835 -It's not -- You're right, Will. 1248 00:54:11,876 --> 00:54:13,211 How about we don't use an animal at all? 1249 00:54:13,253 --> 00:54:15,922 How about I just say -- -Cause now you're -- 1250 00:54:15,964 --> 00:54:18,967 you know, if you're against animals, then... 1251 00:54:19,009 --> 00:54:20,510 -I'm not against animals. -...you're against nature. 1252 00:54:20,552 --> 00:54:21,928 -Will, I don't want to go down -- 1253 00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:23,430 -And it doesn't fit into what I'm saying. 1254 00:54:23,471 --> 00:54:25,015 -I don't want to go down a rabbit hole here, Will. 1255 00:54:25,056 --> 00:54:26,725 I think you're right. -A rabbit hole? 1256 00:54:26,766 --> 00:54:28,476 So everything's about animals with you. 1257 00:54:28,518 --> 00:54:30,061 -All right. -You better -- 1258 00:54:30,103 --> 00:54:33,314 I bet that sweater is fucking polar bear, isn't it? 1259 00:54:33,356 --> 00:54:36,693 -Maybe I got a fucking problem. [ Both laugh ] 1260 00:54:36,735 --> 00:54:39,070 No, I love -- I love -- 1261 00:54:39,112 --> 00:54:41,781 I love what you're saying, and I want to say -- 1262 00:54:41,823 --> 00:54:45,535 -It's the surrender of 1263 00:54:45,577 --> 00:54:50,123 the need to be perceived 1264 00:54:50,165 --> 00:54:53,001 a certain way. 1265 00:54:53,043 --> 00:54:54,836 -Can I tell you what's dope? -Mm-hmm. 1266 00:54:54,878 --> 00:54:57,881 -And how is this gonna come full circle? 1267 00:54:57,922 --> 00:55:00,050 Doing "Hart to Heart," 1268 00:55:00,091 --> 00:55:02,218 there has to be an idea of surrendering 1269 00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:04,054 and just coming to sit down and talk to me. 1270 00:55:04,095 --> 00:55:06,431 -Yeah. -There is no prep. 1271 00:55:06,473 --> 00:55:08,099 -Mm-hmm. -There is no call before. 1272 00:55:08,141 --> 00:55:09,684 -Yeah. -There is no, "What are we 1273 00:55:09,726 --> 00:55:11,353 talking about?" -Right. 1274 00:55:11,394 --> 00:55:14,439 -That's not what this is about. And what you're doing, Will, 1275 00:55:14,481 --> 00:55:16,399 I just want to applaud you 1276 00:55:16,441 --> 00:55:19,903 and I want to fucking say, "Oh, keep going." 1277 00:55:19,944 --> 00:55:23,031 Like, you -- the decision that you made to open up, 1278 00:55:23,073 --> 00:55:27,577 the decision that you made to really talk about, like, 1279 00:55:27,619 --> 00:55:29,788 your trauma, like, what's going on, 1280 00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:32,999 you have fucking made it okay for the people 1281 00:55:33,041 --> 00:55:36,836 that looked at Superman to go, "If Superman can do it, 1282 00:55:36,878 --> 00:55:38,171 I can, too. Hey, man, let me tell you all 1283 00:55:38,213 --> 00:55:40,090 what's been fucking with me for years." 1284 00:55:40,131 --> 00:55:43,760 You are somebody that I not only look up to, 1285 00:55:43,802 --> 00:55:46,346 I admire, I respect, 1286 00:55:46,388 --> 00:55:51,351 more importantly, man, I model my fucking career after. 1287 00:55:51,393 --> 00:55:56,564 Like, your work ethic, your desire to be great 1288 00:55:56,606 --> 00:55:58,441 and to not take no... 1289 00:55:58,483 --> 00:56:01,528 Will, I model my shit after you. 1290 00:56:01,569 --> 00:56:03,029 If you did stand-up comedy, 1291 00:56:03,071 --> 00:56:06,408 I promise you we would be aligned to the tee. 1292 00:56:06,449 --> 00:56:08,702 Everything that I have done in movies, 1293 00:56:08,743 --> 00:56:10,662 every road that I went down 1294 00:56:10,704 --> 00:56:12,163 is because of the model that you built. 1295 00:56:12,205 --> 00:56:14,457 -Love that. -You've now created another 1296 00:56:14,499 --> 00:56:16,459 model and another blueprint. 1297 00:56:16,501 --> 00:56:18,795 At the end of the day, you're fucking human, man. 1298 00:56:18,837 --> 00:56:21,089 And I love and appreciate you for being that 1299 00:56:21,131 --> 00:56:22,924 and that only. -Love that. 1300 00:56:22,966 --> 00:56:24,426 -Nothing else needs to be said. -Mm-hmm. 1301 00:56:24,467 --> 00:56:28,138 -I appreciate you for coming on this fucking platform 1302 00:56:28,179 --> 00:56:30,223 and just being you, dude. -Yeah. 1303 00:56:30,265 --> 00:56:33,143 -Being fucking you, Will Smith. -It was great. 1304 00:56:33,184 --> 00:56:34,936 And then you, like, you went off the rails. 1305 00:56:34,978 --> 00:56:37,480 -Well, I'm not done. I want you to call that trainer. 1306 00:56:37,522 --> 00:56:38,982 And I want, because -- 1307 00:56:39,024 --> 00:56:40,650 -You don't, Kev. You don't want that. 1308 00:56:40,692 --> 00:56:41,860 -I'm not gonna ever see him again. 1309 00:56:41,901 --> 00:56:43,653 But I want to tell him I'm not a bitch. 1310 00:56:43,695 --> 00:56:45,405 -Okay. -And I want to say, fuck him. 1311 00:56:45,447 --> 00:56:47,532 -I'll text him. I'll text him. -No, you tell him what I said. 1312 00:56:47,574 --> 00:56:50,285 -Okay. I'll tell -- I'll text him that you said 1313 00:56:50,326 --> 00:56:52,620 you're not a bitch. -Yeah, And I don't have to 1314 00:56:52,662 --> 00:56:55,081 lift that weight if I don't want to. 1315 00:56:55,123 --> 00:56:56,833 -Ah, it -- it's a text. I'll just keep it short. 1316 00:56:56,875 --> 00:56:58,168 -Just text it. But you get what I'm saying. 1317 00:56:58,209 --> 00:56:59,627 -I know what you're saying, yeah. 1318 00:56:59,669 --> 00:57:01,129 I'll make sure it has your energy. 1319 00:57:01,171 --> 00:57:02,672 -This show, it was exactly what I wanted it to be. 1320 00:57:02,714 --> 00:57:04,507 Thank you for doing it. 1321 00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:06,051 Through Philadelphia stand up, 1322 00:57:06,092 --> 00:57:08,136 I think I got to end it in asking a question 1323 00:57:08,178 --> 00:57:09,929 that the world wants to know. 1324 00:57:09,971 --> 00:57:11,806 When are we gonna figure out what we're doing? 1325 00:57:11,848 --> 00:57:13,183 -I know. Listen... 1326 00:57:13,224 --> 00:57:14,934 -When are we gonna figure out what we're doing? 1327 00:57:14,976 --> 00:57:18,438 -Well, you know, I want to end on a good note, 1328 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,899 you know, but... -So just tell them. 1329 00:57:20,940 --> 00:57:22,442 -And I know you're not supposed to -- 1330 00:57:22,484 --> 00:57:24,361 -That's your camera. Just... -You're not supposed to 1331 00:57:24,402 --> 00:57:25,945 follow up a question with a question. 1332 00:57:25,987 --> 00:57:27,364 -Yeah. -I would just say, 1333 00:57:27,405 --> 00:57:31,159 how many movies have you made with The Rock? 1334 00:57:31,201 --> 00:57:33,536 -Here we go again. -I'm just asking. Just -- 1335 00:57:33,578 --> 00:57:34,954 You just say the number. 1336 00:57:34,996 --> 00:57:36,247 You don't have to put commentary. 1337 00:57:36,289 --> 00:57:37,916 Just say the number. How many? 1338 00:57:37,957 --> 00:57:40,377 -I don't know... -I mean... 1339 00:57:40,418 --> 00:57:43,213 How many movies have you made with The Rock? 1340 00:57:43,254 --> 00:57:45,423 -We've done -- I think it would be if you count them... 1341 00:57:45,465 --> 00:57:46,966 [ Mumbles ] 1342 00:57:47,008 --> 00:57:49,386 [ Laughter ] -I didn't hear you. 1343 00:57:49,427 --> 00:57:51,429 -You just heard what I said. -You said... 1344 00:57:51,471 --> 00:57:53,139 -If you're counting it -- if you want me to count, 1345 00:57:53,181 --> 00:57:54,724 I'm telling you right now, I think me and Rock, 1346 00:57:54,766 --> 00:57:56,476 we've definitely -- 1347 00:57:56,518 --> 00:57:58,395 I think we've done, like... 1348 00:57:58,436 --> 00:57:59,729 [ Mumbles ] 1349 00:57:59,771 --> 00:58:01,064 -All right. -Yeah. So... 1350 00:58:01,106 --> 00:58:04,442 -Okay. The answer's in your question. 1351 00:58:04,484 --> 00:58:06,736 -All right. Well, this is "Hart to Heart," 1352 00:58:06,778 --> 00:58:08,238 and this is Will Smith, my brother. 1353 00:58:08,279 --> 00:58:11,991 Philadelphia, stand up, man, to the world out there. 1354 00:58:12,033 --> 00:58:14,035 An amazing conversation full of amazing gems. 1355 00:58:14,077 --> 00:58:17,247 Made my heart happy today. Made my heart happy. 1356 00:58:17,288 --> 00:58:19,416 That's it, guys. Will Smith. One time, everybody. 1357 00:58:19,457 --> 00:58:21,251 -Kevin Hart, ladies and gentlemen. 1358 00:58:21,292 --> 00:58:23,503 Kevin Hart. [ Applause ] 1359 00:58:23,545 --> 00:58:24,838 Oh, man. 1360 00:58:24,879 --> 00:58:27,924 -I challenged... 1361 00:58:27,966 --> 00:58:29,551 -That was spectacular. 1362 00:58:29,592 --> 00:58:31,469 -Challenged you. 1363 00:58:31,511 --> 00:58:33,680 [ Indistinct conversation ] 1364 00:58:33,722 --> 00:58:38,560 ** 1365 00:58:38,601 --> 00:58:39,853 -Yo.