1 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:14,389 ** 2 00:00:14,431 --> 00:00:18,059 -My guest today is a icon, and I really do mean that. 3 00:00:18,101 --> 00:00:19,978 He is one of the most influential cultural forces 4 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:23,314 in American history, and that's not overstating things in the least way. 5 00:00:23,356 --> 00:00:25,817 Okay? The man is one of the architects of rap and hip-hop, 6 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:27,944 and he changed the way that we listen to music. 7 00:00:27,986 --> 00:00:29,446 And by "change," I do mean change. 8 00:00:29,487 --> 00:00:31,573 He and Jimmy Iovine created Beats headphones, 9 00:00:31,614 --> 00:00:33,575 which of course have taken the world by storm. 10 00:00:33,616 --> 00:00:36,327 Who am I talking about? Well, by this time, you should know. 11 00:00:36,369 --> 00:00:40,040 None other than Dr. Dre. Come out here, Dre. 12 00:00:40,081 --> 00:00:41,416 How are you, man? -I'm great, man. 13 00:00:41,458 --> 00:00:43,001 -Good to see you, champ. -Thanks for having me. 14 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:45,378 I appreciate you. This is big. -Yeah, man. 15 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:46,755 -This is bigger than big. 16 00:00:46,796 --> 00:00:49,341 -You know, I don't come outside much, man. 17 00:00:49,382 --> 00:00:51,176 -I already know, That's what I'm saying. This is big! 18 00:00:51,217 --> 00:00:52,844 -Yeah, so it takes quite a bit to get me the fuck outside, man. 19 00:00:52,886 --> 00:00:54,346 -This is huge. -Yeah. 20 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:56,014 -So I can't fuck up my opportunity. 21 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:58,016 I got to make it worth it. You know what I do here. 22 00:00:58,058 --> 00:00:59,976 I believe that great conversations happen 23 00:01:00,018 --> 00:01:01,353 over a great glass of wine. 24 00:01:01,394 --> 00:01:03,605 This is a conversation that I'm excited to have. 25 00:01:03,646 --> 00:01:05,148 -Okay. -Why am I excited 26 00:01:05,190 --> 00:01:06,983 to have a conversation? Because there's so much shit 27 00:01:07,025 --> 00:01:11,196 that I want to know about you, your road to success, 28 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:13,114 your now stance in success, 29 00:01:13,156 --> 00:01:15,367 your business mind while being a success, 30 00:01:15,408 --> 00:01:19,162 your take and place on music, how you listen to music, 31 00:01:19,204 --> 00:01:21,498 who you fuck with in music. I want to know so much. 32 00:01:21,539 --> 00:01:23,917 This is what we're going to dive into today. But before we do... 33 00:01:23,958 --> 00:01:25,335 -That's a whole lot, Kev. That's a lot. 34 00:01:25,377 --> 00:01:27,712 -Well, yeah. We've got an hour. Come on. 35 00:01:27,754 --> 00:01:30,840 Hey. Come on, D. This is my somm, DLynn. 36 00:01:30,882 --> 00:01:32,634 -Alright. -What are we drinking today? 37 00:01:32,676 --> 00:01:34,052 -Mr. Young, Mr. Hart. -Mm-hmm. 38 00:01:34,094 --> 00:01:36,137 -Well, I've got something for Mr. Young already. 39 00:01:36,179 --> 00:01:37,972 One of the world's finest gins for you. 40 00:01:38,014 --> 00:01:40,225 -Thank you. -And, of course, a Black family 41 00:01:40,266 --> 00:01:42,227 that situated themselves in the Napa Valley 42 00:01:42,268 --> 00:01:45,230 in the late '70s, early 1980s. -Mm-hmm. 43 00:01:45,271 --> 00:01:48,608 -A reclusive blend of Cabernet Sauvignon and Zinfandel. 44 00:01:48,650 --> 00:01:50,860 -Reclusive. -2017 vintage. 45 00:01:50,902 --> 00:01:52,404 -That's a good year. -Excellence. 46 00:01:52,445 --> 00:01:53,905 -What the fuck is going on around here? 47 00:01:53,947 --> 00:01:55,323 -That's my somm. -Okay. 48 00:01:55,365 --> 00:01:56,908 -He breaking down the wine. -Okay. Alright. 49 00:01:56,950 --> 00:01:58,451 -Okay. You think I just drink any type of wine? 50 00:01:58,493 --> 00:02:00,078 -I know it's real fancy in this motherfucker right now. 51 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,579 -You're goddamn right it was. It's a reclusive. 52 00:02:01,621 --> 00:02:03,123 -Okay. -Reclusive blend. 53 00:02:03,164 --> 00:02:05,166 -Okay. -May I just in case? 54 00:02:05,208 --> 00:02:06,710 -No, I'm straight. Thank you. -Absolutely. Thank you. 55 00:02:06,751 --> 00:02:08,253 Alright, man. -Enjoy. 56 00:02:08,294 --> 00:02:11,923 -That's a bold man right there, asking Dre to his face... 57 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:13,425 To you, man. Here. Cheers, cheers. 58 00:02:13,466 --> 00:02:15,760 -Cheers, man. -Thank you for coming on. 59 00:02:15,802 --> 00:02:18,722 Dre, God damn. Where do I start? Where the fuck do I start? 60 00:02:18,763 --> 00:02:20,265 -It's your show, man. You tell me. 61 00:02:20,306 --> 00:02:21,975 -Let me tell you where I wanna start. 62 00:02:22,017 --> 00:02:24,060 I got to work with Cube. Me and Cube did a movie 63 00:02:24,102 --> 00:02:25,353 called "Ride Along," 64 00:02:25,395 --> 00:02:28,106 and while doing the movie "Ride Along" -- 65 00:02:28,148 --> 00:02:31,192 or "Ride Along 1" -- you know, I was very honest with Cube, 66 00:02:31,234 --> 00:02:33,945 and I said, "Hey, man, this is a big opportunity. 67 00:02:33,987 --> 00:02:36,406 Working with you is dope as hell. 68 00:02:36,448 --> 00:02:39,367 But there's so much shit that I want to know. 69 00:02:39,409 --> 00:02:41,327 Don't think at any point 70 00:02:41,369 --> 00:02:44,372 that, you know, I'm trying to be a pain in the ass. 71 00:02:44,414 --> 00:02:46,458 But throughout the course of this film, man, 72 00:02:46,499 --> 00:02:49,002 I'm with you for two months, I'm gonna, like, ask questions. 73 00:02:49,044 --> 00:02:50,462 -Of course, as you should. 74 00:02:50,503 --> 00:02:52,756 -And a lot of the questions that I was asking, 75 00:02:52,797 --> 00:02:57,802 you know, they were based off of the trajectory 76 00:02:57,844 --> 00:03:02,891 that these young guys had from the hood of Los Angeles 77 00:03:02,932 --> 00:03:04,726 and coming together as a group, 78 00:03:04,768 --> 00:03:07,645 reaching this phenomenal, crazy place of success, 79 00:03:07,687 --> 00:03:10,023 and really being a part of the change in music, 80 00:03:10,065 --> 00:03:12,150 the change in hip-hop. -Right. 81 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:15,153 -Did you ever see or foresee -- 82 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:17,030 and I know this is a traditional question -- 83 00:03:17,072 --> 00:03:18,531 -It is. -But I mean it when I say it. 84 00:03:18,573 --> 00:03:20,575 -I know where you're going with it, but go ahead. 85 00:03:20,617 --> 00:03:22,952 -Like, from there, you guys get together. 86 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:24,954 You're a group, and it's a rap group. 87 00:03:24,996 --> 00:03:26,831 It's gangsta rap, whatever you want to call it. 88 00:03:26,873 --> 00:03:28,208 -Yeah. 89 00:03:28,249 --> 00:03:29,876 -You're now sitting at the top of, like -- 90 00:03:29,918 --> 00:03:32,837 -By the way, I've never liked it being called that. Gangsta rap. 91 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:34,631 That's never what we went in to do. 92 00:03:34,673 --> 00:03:36,341 -What is it -- What did you-- 93 00:03:36,383 --> 00:03:38,218 -We were just making hard-core hip-hop. 94 00:03:38,259 --> 00:03:39,928 That's all it is. You know? 95 00:03:39,969 --> 00:03:41,596 I don't know why it got that title 96 00:03:41,638 --> 00:03:43,098 or who gave it that title. 97 00:03:43,139 --> 00:03:45,016 I don't know who the fuck that was, but it wasn't us. 98 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:46,559 -At the time -- I mean, you guys were adamant 99 00:03:46,601 --> 00:03:48,228 about correcting it at that time, as well, 100 00:03:48,269 --> 00:03:49,896 when it was being called gangsta rap or did you -- 101 00:03:49,938 --> 00:03:52,023 -No, we just let it go. We just embraced it and let it go. 102 00:03:52,065 --> 00:03:54,651 But that's not what we decided to do. That's not what we called it. 103 00:03:54,693 --> 00:03:56,736 We were just doing hip-hop. Hard-core hip-hop. 104 00:03:56,778 --> 00:03:59,280 -Hard-core hip-hop representing the West Coast. 105 00:03:59,322 --> 00:04:00,365 -Yeah. 106 00:04:00,407 --> 00:04:01,866 -After representing the West Coast, 107 00:04:01,908 --> 00:04:03,451 after making, I guess you could say, 108 00:04:03,493 --> 00:04:06,287 a handprint in the game of rap, it quickly takes off. 109 00:04:06,329 --> 00:04:07,288 -Yeah. 110 00:04:07,330 --> 00:04:08,957 -Success happens. Holy shit. NWA. 111 00:04:08,998 --> 00:04:11,126 -Yeah, we didn't know what the fuck we were doing, man. 112 00:04:11,167 --> 00:04:13,086 We were some 20-year-old kids. You know? 113 00:04:13,128 --> 00:04:15,714 I think Cube was still in high school when we started. 114 00:04:15,755 --> 00:04:17,549 -Mm-hmm. -So we're kids. 115 00:04:17,590 --> 00:04:19,009 I'm exploring. 116 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:21,803 I'm trying to develop my skills and trying to figure out 117 00:04:21,845 --> 00:04:23,221 what I'm gonna do with my life, 118 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:25,890 not sure if that was gonna be it or not. 119 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:27,350 I wanted that to be it, you know, 120 00:04:27,392 --> 00:04:30,103 because I didn't see myself doing anything else. 121 00:04:30,145 --> 00:04:33,064 And it just so happens I left my mom's house 122 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:34,566 and I moved in with my auntie, 123 00:04:34,607 --> 00:04:36,818 who happened to live a couple of houses down from Cube, 124 00:04:36,860 --> 00:04:38,236 and that's how we hooked up. 125 00:04:38,278 --> 00:04:39,946 He was still in high school at the time. 126 00:04:39,988 --> 00:04:41,448 So we're some kids trying to figure out 127 00:04:41,489 --> 00:04:43,783 what the fuck we're gonna do with our lives, you know? 128 00:04:43,825 --> 00:04:49,039 And fortunately, we came together, and the shit clicked. 129 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,623 -At that moment, though, in rap, 130 00:04:50,665 --> 00:04:53,376 who acted as influences at that time? 131 00:04:53,418 --> 00:04:54,502 -Oh, my God. 132 00:04:54,544 --> 00:04:58,006 At that time, it was, of course, Rakim. 133 00:04:58,048 --> 00:05:00,842 Eric B. and Rakim. Run-DMC. Slick Rick. 134 00:05:00,884 --> 00:05:03,345 These are the artists that we were listening to at the time. 135 00:05:03,386 --> 00:05:06,306 And those were our major influences. 136 00:05:06,348 --> 00:05:11,269 And we were like, "Okay, we can do this, too. 137 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:14,022 We can do this, too." Also Public Enemy. 138 00:05:14,064 --> 00:05:16,191 Public Enemy was a big influence on me. 139 00:05:16,232 --> 00:05:18,610 Shocklee and The Bomb Squad and the whole shit. 140 00:05:18,651 --> 00:05:20,612 So those were major influences on me 141 00:05:20,653 --> 00:05:22,280 from a production standpoint, you know? 142 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:23,948 -And it was always -- 143 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:26,785 For you, it was always making the music. 144 00:05:26,826 --> 00:05:28,953 It was always the idea of beats, 145 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:31,081 the idea of rap, from a young age? 146 00:05:31,122 --> 00:05:32,874 -Yeah, yeah, yeah. 147 00:05:32,916 --> 00:05:37,087 You know, I started when I was 14. 148 00:05:37,128 --> 00:05:38,505 -Okay. 149 00:05:38,546 --> 00:05:40,882 -And -- Deejaying and shit like that. 150 00:05:40,924 --> 00:05:44,177 But when I started going to the pros, "to the pros," 151 00:05:44,219 --> 00:05:46,304 professionally, with making music, 152 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:48,390 I guess I was like 18 or something like that. 153 00:05:48,431 --> 00:05:50,725 I'm not sure what age I was when I met Cube, 154 00:05:50,767 --> 00:05:52,936 but that was the connection right there. 155 00:05:52,977 --> 00:05:54,729 And, like, okay, let's get together 156 00:05:54,771 --> 00:05:56,022 and let's do something great. 157 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:57,691 We knew we could do something great, 158 00:05:57,732 --> 00:06:00,360 but it was only supposed to be great for the neighborhood. 159 00:06:00,402 --> 00:06:02,654 We didn't know it was gonna go worldwide at the time. 160 00:06:02,696 --> 00:06:04,989 So, but -- -Not only did it go worldwide, 161 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:06,991 I mean, you're talking, once again, 162 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:08,660 about being responsible for change. 163 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:12,497 You're talking about sitting at the forefront of real change 164 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:14,541 and the understanding and the identity behind -- 165 00:06:14,582 --> 00:06:17,836 -Yeah, it's still crazy to me that that happened, you know? 166 00:06:17,877 --> 00:06:20,672 We were able to do something as fucking kids 167 00:06:20,714 --> 00:06:25,343 that just changed the way a fucking genre of music was done 168 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:26,886 and the way it was looked at, you know? 169 00:06:26,928 --> 00:06:28,430 So, yeah. 170 00:06:28,471 --> 00:06:31,474 -What's most intriguing, man, to me is, like, 171 00:06:31,516 --> 00:06:36,187 when you talk about success that comes from the hood 172 00:06:36,229 --> 00:06:38,982 and makes it out of the hood 173 00:06:39,024 --> 00:06:40,859 while still embracing the hood, right? 174 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:43,403 Sometimes those lines get blurred a little bit 175 00:06:43,445 --> 00:06:46,364 because the expectations of what you're supposed to do, 176 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:48,491 who you're supposed to bring with you -- 177 00:06:48,533 --> 00:06:51,536 -Yeah, but you can't bring that into a creative space. 178 00:06:51,578 --> 00:06:52,746 -Okay, okay. 179 00:06:52,787 --> 00:06:54,539 -We never -- At least I never brought that 180 00:06:54,581 --> 00:06:57,334 into the creative space. We're just in there, we're kids, 181 00:06:57,375 --> 00:06:59,794 and we're saying the most wild, outlandish shit 182 00:06:59,836 --> 00:07:01,796 just to get some attention and see, okay, 183 00:07:01,838 --> 00:07:04,382 we're not gonna hit them over the head with a pillow. 184 00:07:04,424 --> 00:07:06,134 We're gonna hit them over the head with a sledgehammer 185 00:07:06,176 --> 00:07:07,469 when we come out. 186 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:09,721 "Straight Outta Compton." "Fuck the Police." 187 00:07:09,763 --> 00:07:12,432 All of that. So we wanted to come out and get attention. 188 00:07:12,474 --> 00:07:14,309 -Mm-hmm. -You know? And like I said, 189 00:07:14,351 --> 00:07:17,354 it was really just to impress our neighborhood. 190 00:07:17,395 --> 00:07:19,314 If we can be good in LA 191 00:07:19,356 --> 00:07:21,399 and everybody in LA is paying attention to us, 192 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:23,318 that was good enough for us at the time. 193 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,570 Little did we know, you know, 194 00:07:25,612 --> 00:07:29,199 we were gonna get attention around the world 195 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:30,909 and from the FBI and that whole shit. 196 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:32,243 It was crazy. -Do you feel like 197 00:07:32,285 --> 00:07:33,995 the movie was made correctly? 198 00:07:34,037 --> 00:07:35,622 Do you feel like you guys were able 199 00:07:35,663 --> 00:07:37,499 to correctly grasp the story? -Absolutely, yeah. 200 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:39,250 -And if so, where do you feel like 201 00:07:39,292 --> 00:07:40,919 the navigating of that story came from? 202 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,380 -I think that everybody that was involved in the movie 203 00:07:43,421 --> 00:07:45,340 at the beginning didn't believe in the movie 204 00:07:45,382 --> 00:07:47,425 and didn't trust it. -Okay, okay. 205 00:07:47,467 --> 00:07:50,136 And then myself, Cube, and Gary Gray, 206 00:07:50,178 --> 00:07:52,472 we went for it. 207 00:07:52,514 --> 00:07:54,432 -Yeah. -What you see on the screen 208 00:07:54,474 --> 00:07:57,560 is the result of what myself, Cube, and Gary did. 209 00:07:57,602 --> 00:08:00,188 -Got it. So, here's what I want to know, then. 210 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:04,401 After seeing it, right, my takeaway from the movie was, 211 00:08:04,442 --> 00:08:07,487 I had no idea that you guys 212 00:08:07,529 --> 00:08:10,657 had the battles at that level with the law. 213 00:08:10,699 --> 00:08:13,660 I had no idea that the battles at that level 214 00:08:13,702 --> 00:08:18,623 came from the threat of, "Don't perform these songs," 215 00:08:18,665 --> 00:08:22,460 "You cannot do these songs," and, "If you do do these songs, 216 00:08:22,502 --> 00:08:24,129 then you'll be arrested or handled accordingly." 217 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:26,047 -Yeah, that happened. -And decisions that were made 218 00:08:26,089 --> 00:08:29,551 for y'all to say, "Fuck it. We're gonna do it anyway." 219 00:08:29,592 --> 00:08:33,221 Were on spur and, like, real moments. I didn't know -- 220 00:08:33,263 --> 00:08:36,141 -Yeah, that happened, specifically in Detroit. 221 00:08:36,182 --> 00:08:38,268 Yeah, they chased us down. 222 00:08:38,309 --> 00:08:39,978 The way it's depicted in the movie 223 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:42,814 was pretty close to the way it really happened. 224 00:08:42,856 --> 00:08:44,941 -At some point -- Was there ever a point in time 225 00:08:44,983 --> 00:08:47,819 where the law started to get on your ass when you said, 226 00:08:47,861 --> 00:08:51,448 "You know what, man? Like, maybe we should kind of cool out"? 227 00:08:51,489 --> 00:08:53,491 "Like, maybe we need to, like, take some steps back." 228 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:55,410 -No, no. Absolutely not. -It was always full gas. 229 00:08:55,452 --> 00:08:57,078 -Again, we're 20-year-old kids. 230 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,831 We're wilding the fuck out. We're doing what we want to do. 231 00:08:59,873 --> 00:09:02,000 Like, "Fuck them. We're gonna do what we want." 232 00:09:02,042 --> 00:09:04,169 That's what it was at the time. -After Detroit, 233 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:06,421 were there other cities that followed in the same suit? 234 00:09:06,463 --> 00:09:08,548 Because in the movie, you can only say so much. 235 00:09:08,590 --> 00:09:11,134 How many times did the same thing present itself to... 236 00:09:11,176 --> 00:09:12,594 -That was the only problem we had. 237 00:09:12,635 --> 00:09:14,304 -Okay. -Yeah, in Detroit. 238 00:09:14,346 --> 00:09:16,514 Everything was good after that. 239 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:19,017 -Okay. Let's take a quick break. 240 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:20,685 Guys, please do not go anywhere. 241 00:09:20,727 --> 00:09:22,562 The conversation will get better. 242 00:09:22,604 --> 00:09:25,231 This is Dr. Dre. We'll be right back. 243 00:09:25,273 --> 00:09:31,279 ** 244 00:09:35,825 --> 00:09:40,497 ** 245 00:09:40,538 --> 00:09:42,415 -Guys, welcome back. This is "Hart to Heart." 246 00:09:42,457 --> 00:09:44,584 We're sitting with Dr. Dre. 247 00:09:44,626 --> 00:09:46,503 Dude, let's get into the career of Dre, 248 00:09:46,544 --> 00:09:49,547 the blossoming of Dre as now a solo artist. 249 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:52,592 You drop your solo project. Holy shit. "The Chronic." 250 00:09:52,634 --> 00:09:54,511 Dre now becomes a conversation 251 00:09:54,552 --> 00:09:56,930 of, "Holy shit. This is the guy." 252 00:09:56,971 --> 00:09:59,849 What is the difference in you then than you with the group? 253 00:09:59,891 --> 00:10:02,394 The solo success compared to the group success. 254 00:10:02,435 --> 00:10:03,687 What was that change? 255 00:10:03,728 --> 00:10:05,605 -Well, I think that the difference there 256 00:10:05,647 --> 00:10:10,360 was money and business got involved, 257 00:10:10,402 --> 00:10:11,778 and it separated the friendship. -Okay. 258 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:14,781 So I had to separate myself from Eazy, 259 00:10:14,823 --> 00:10:16,866 because he decided to take a different route. 260 00:10:16,908 --> 00:10:19,869 Cube had already left. So I'm out here on my own. 261 00:10:19,911 --> 00:10:22,664 I have absolutely no idea what the fuck I'm going to do. 262 00:10:22,706 --> 00:10:24,582 I just know I have this talent 263 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:26,751 and I've been developing these skills 264 00:10:26,793 --> 00:10:28,837 with mixing and this whole shit. 265 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:33,591 And a close friend of mine, we call him D.O.C., 266 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:35,719 talked me into doing the "Chronic" album. 267 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,388 And I went in there, and I -- 268 00:10:38,430 --> 00:10:40,890 -So that wasn't even a Dre decision. 269 00:10:40,932 --> 00:10:43,727 -No, it wasn't my decision. I was talked into doing that. 270 00:10:43,768 --> 00:10:45,895 -Okay. -And, yeah, I just 271 00:10:45,937 --> 00:10:47,772 went in there and went for it because I felt like at that time 272 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:49,816 it was a life-or-death situation. 273 00:10:49,858 --> 00:10:51,276 -Back is against the wall. 274 00:10:51,317 --> 00:10:53,611 -Back is against the wall. Life-or-death situation. 275 00:10:53,653 --> 00:10:54,946 This record is gonna determine 276 00:10:54,988 --> 00:10:57,699 whether I'm gonna stay in the studio or not. 277 00:10:57,741 --> 00:11:00,368 -Yeah, this is a career make-or-break moment for you. 278 00:11:00,410 --> 00:11:01,995 -Yeah. Absolutely. -And, by the way, 279 00:11:02,037 --> 00:11:04,039 that's when people do their best work -- 280 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,083 when you have no other choice, when all the eggs are in one basket, 281 00:11:07,125 --> 00:11:09,419 and either this basket is going to be responsible 282 00:11:09,461 --> 00:11:11,296 for how I eat or it's going to break. 283 00:11:11,338 --> 00:11:14,090 -Yeah, it's really weird. It's a really weird dynamic. 284 00:11:14,132 --> 00:11:16,718 Moving forward, it's like -- it's really tough to find 285 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,972 that kind of ambition and energy right now today. 286 00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:22,599 -Today. Yeah. -You know? 287 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,517 -I was gonna -- I was going to get to that. 288 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,311 But I like that you're there now, right? 289 00:11:26,353 --> 00:11:30,899 Because we're talking about the difference in your then 290 00:11:30,940 --> 00:11:33,109 and, of course, getting to your now. 291 00:11:33,151 --> 00:11:37,364 But the group -- phenomenal success. 292 00:11:37,405 --> 00:11:39,282 Business economics. 293 00:11:39,324 --> 00:11:42,118 Business. Deals done right, wrong. 294 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,287 Separation. People go their separate ways. 295 00:11:44,329 --> 00:11:45,538 -Yeah, but it doesn't mean shit 296 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:47,123 if you're not getting treated right. 297 00:11:47,165 --> 00:11:49,167 I don't give a fuck. I've walked away 298 00:11:49,209 --> 00:11:50,960 from millions of dollars, Kevin. 299 00:11:51,002 --> 00:11:53,421 You know? If it's not right, I'm not with it. 300 00:11:53,463 --> 00:11:54,881 -Yeah. -I don't give a fuck 301 00:11:54,923 --> 00:11:57,759 how much money you're offering me, you know? 302 00:11:57,801 --> 00:11:59,969 I'm not about to leave with a wet ass. 303 00:12:00,011 --> 00:12:01,721 You know what I mean? I'm not doing that. 304 00:12:01,763 --> 00:12:04,140 Fuck that. Okay. You keep your money. 305 00:12:04,182 --> 00:12:07,310 I'm taking everything with me, which is the talent. 306 00:12:07,352 --> 00:12:08,687 -Okay. 307 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:10,814 -So I have absolutely no problem 308 00:12:10,855 --> 00:12:12,482 with betting on myself, you know? 309 00:12:12,524 --> 00:12:15,819 And I'm gonna win. 310 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:18,822 I always call myself a fucking professional winner. 311 00:12:18,863 --> 00:12:20,407 -I don't see anything wrong with that. 312 00:12:20,448 --> 00:12:23,493 You won, and you have done it at the highest levels. 313 00:12:23,535 --> 00:12:26,287 Associating yourself in that regard to me is a line. 314 00:12:26,329 --> 00:12:29,165 Like, there's -- I don't -- That doesn't make me go, "Whoa!" 315 00:12:29,207 --> 00:12:31,793 I get it. I'm a guy that goes, "I get it." 316 00:12:31,835 --> 00:12:33,670 -Oh, yeah, you feel like you won 317 00:12:33,712 --> 00:12:35,171 because I left all this money for you. 318 00:12:35,213 --> 00:12:37,173 -Yeah. -Yeah. You have that moment. 319 00:12:37,215 --> 00:12:39,509 Have your fucking 15 minutes. Guess what I'm about to do. 320 00:12:39,551 --> 00:12:42,012 -I'm gonna go do it again, but this time do it double. 321 00:12:42,053 --> 00:12:44,097 -Yeah, and every time, it gets bigger and bigger. 322 00:12:44,139 --> 00:12:47,892 And my -- the ultimate form of revenge for me is success. 323 00:12:47,934 --> 00:12:51,438 I'm gonna keep being successful and make you look like shit. 324 00:12:51,479 --> 00:12:53,023 -Yeah. -That's what it is. 325 00:12:53,064 --> 00:12:55,233 If you've done me wrong. -Yeah. 326 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:58,903 When you talk about the motivation, right -- 327 00:12:58,945 --> 00:13:02,073 And this is a great -- It's a great conversation 328 00:13:02,115 --> 00:13:05,535 because the success that you have found in yourself, 329 00:13:05,577 --> 00:13:07,746 you've duplicated that success 330 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:11,708 by aligning yourself with new talent, 331 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:14,294 with being a part of the discovery 332 00:13:14,336 --> 00:13:16,755 of some of the biggest names in the business today. 333 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:18,548 More importantly, the biggest albums, right? 334 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:21,509 When you go to music, well, you can attach yourself 335 00:13:21,551 --> 00:13:24,721 to the career of NWA -- 336 00:13:24,763 --> 00:13:26,389 -It's not about attaching, Kevin, 337 00:13:26,431 --> 00:13:28,350 I don't like that word. It's not about attaching. 338 00:13:28,391 --> 00:13:30,060 -Give me a word. -It's about collaborating. 339 00:13:30,101 --> 00:13:32,937 -Okay. Okay. Better word. I like it. 340 00:13:32,979 --> 00:13:35,732 -Yeah, collaborating with some of the smartest motherfuckers 341 00:13:35,774 --> 00:13:37,317 and the most talented motherfuckers 342 00:13:37,359 --> 00:13:39,486 that ever stepped in the studio. -How do they happen? 343 00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:44,366 How are you outsourcing said opportunities at that time? 344 00:13:44,407 --> 00:13:49,120 -It's -- The only person that I ever heard on a demo tape 345 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:53,083 that I really liked and fucked with in the studio was Eminem. 346 00:13:53,124 --> 00:13:55,418 Everything else is word-of-mouth. 347 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:58,004 It's exactly what you said. "Oh, you've got to hear this guy. 348 00:13:58,046 --> 00:14:00,882 Hey. You've got to hear Snoop. 349 00:14:00,924 --> 00:14:03,385 You got to hear this guy named Snoop." 350 00:14:03,426 --> 00:14:04,928 Okay? 351 00:14:04,969 --> 00:14:08,431 Brought him in the studio, and he started rapping. 352 00:14:08,473 --> 00:14:10,475 He didn't even understand how to song structure 353 00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:11,851 or anything like that. 354 00:14:11,893 --> 00:14:13,937 I think D.O.C. taught him how to do that shit. 355 00:14:13,978 --> 00:14:16,439 But it just happened like that. 356 00:14:16,481 --> 00:14:18,358 -Okay. -You know? 357 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,860 -Has there -- Was there ever a time 358 00:14:20,902 --> 00:14:24,614 with the artists that you were collaborating with, 359 00:14:24,656 --> 00:14:28,743 whether it was Eminem, Snoop, 50, Kendrick, right -- 360 00:14:28,785 --> 00:14:32,956 Was there ever a time where a conversation had to be had? 361 00:14:32,997 --> 00:14:35,500 Even Pac. Was there ever a time where it was like, 362 00:14:35,542 --> 00:14:39,087 "Hey, man, either we're gonna do the work or we're not"? 363 00:14:39,129 --> 00:14:41,214 Did any of them ever present themselves 364 00:14:41,256 --> 00:14:43,174 to be about anything but the work? 365 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:44,968 -No. No. Never. -It was always the work. 366 00:14:45,010 --> 00:14:47,012 -Always the work. It was always the work. 367 00:14:47,053 --> 00:14:49,389 And it was always collaborating with the creativity 368 00:14:49,431 --> 00:14:51,641 and seeing what we can do next that could be amazing. 369 00:14:51,683 --> 00:14:53,184 -Mm-hmm. -What the fuck can we do next? 370 00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:54,978 We're still having these conversations. 371 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:57,063 I love long-term relationships. 372 00:14:57,105 --> 00:14:58,815 You know, if I'm fucking with you, 373 00:14:58,857 --> 00:15:00,817 hopefully I want to fuck with you for life. 374 00:15:00,859 --> 00:15:02,485 -Mm-hmm. -You know? 375 00:15:02,527 --> 00:15:05,363 We're in a relationship. We're making this music. 376 00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:07,115 We're making money. We're getting creative. 377 00:15:07,157 --> 00:15:09,951 It's not just a one-off with me. -Okay. 378 00:15:09,993 --> 00:15:12,078 -I love long-term relationships. 379 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,291 -So a working environment with Dr. Dre is what? 380 00:15:16,332 --> 00:15:20,962 Like, when I sign up to go in the studio with Dre, 381 00:15:21,004 --> 00:15:23,298 am I signing up for anywhere 382 00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:25,508 between 12-to-16-hour studio days? 383 00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:29,262 -No, hopefully you're signing up for a lifelong relationship. 384 00:15:29,304 --> 00:15:31,931 That's why I'm going into it. -Okay. 385 00:15:31,973 --> 00:15:34,768 -Okay, we're gonna make this music, 386 00:15:34,809 --> 00:15:36,311 and hopefully this is a stepping stone 387 00:15:36,353 --> 00:15:39,856 to a fucking fantastic relationship moving forward. 388 00:15:39,898 --> 00:15:42,067 Not just with the music. We can talk about life. 389 00:15:42,108 --> 00:15:43,777 We can talk about relationships. 390 00:15:43,818 --> 00:15:45,820 We can talk about our kids or whatever. 391 00:15:45,862 --> 00:15:47,364 That's what I look for. -Who can grow. 392 00:15:47,405 --> 00:15:49,074 In this thing, we should grow, right? 393 00:15:49,115 --> 00:15:51,117 -Yeah, it's a give-and-take. -Absolutely. 394 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:53,536 -I'm giving you this, and I want something back. 395 00:15:53,578 --> 00:15:55,205 -Absolutely. -You know? 396 00:15:55,246 --> 00:15:57,749 -I agree, and I understand where you're coming from. 397 00:15:57,791 --> 00:15:59,417 And I want to make sure they do, too. 398 00:15:59,459 --> 00:16:01,878 Guys, stick around, because we're gonna hear more 399 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,381 when we come back after this break. 400 00:16:04,422 --> 00:16:09,969 ** 401 00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:19,396 ** 402 00:16:19,437 --> 00:16:21,189 Welcome back. This is still "Hart to Heart." 403 00:16:21,231 --> 00:16:23,733 I'm Kevin Hart, and I'm sitting across from Dr. Dre. 404 00:16:23,775 --> 00:16:30,657 Now, Dre, you've collaborated -- your word, I love the word -- 405 00:16:30,699 --> 00:16:36,413 aligned yourself with the conversation of so much history. 406 00:16:36,454 --> 00:16:40,500 Through that, the history of will Dre go back 407 00:16:40,542 --> 00:16:41,793 and do it again? 408 00:16:41,835 --> 00:16:43,461 -Do what again? I'm doing it. 409 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:46,089 -No, no, no. Will Dre -- -What again? 410 00:16:46,131 --> 00:16:48,008 -Well, the conversation is always, 411 00:16:48,049 --> 00:16:51,011 will there ever be another "Chronic?" 412 00:16:51,052 --> 00:16:53,013 And this has been, like, the conversation -- 413 00:16:53,054 --> 00:16:55,890 -Kev, I'm fucking -- I'm pushing 60 years old. 414 00:16:55,932 --> 00:16:56,933 -I know that. 415 00:16:56,975 --> 00:16:58,935 Damn! -[ Laughs ] 416 00:16:58,977 --> 00:17:03,773 -Sorry, go ahead, I just had to do that. 417 00:17:03,815 --> 00:17:05,775 -That was fucked up what you did to Don Cheadle, 418 00:17:05,817 --> 00:17:08,111 by the way. 419 00:17:08,153 --> 00:17:09,988 -No, you're pushing 60, absolutely. 420 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:11,406 I mean, look -- but, you know, 421 00:17:11,448 --> 00:17:13,616 it's the elephant in the room regardless. 422 00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:16,244 You know, I like that you let the elephant in the room 423 00:17:16,286 --> 00:17:17,829 just stay in the room, but you know, 424 00:17:17,871 --> 00:17:21,458 the reality is what? Like -- -I mean, I feel like 425 00:17:21,499 --> 00:17:23,918 I'm in a business where I can be as creative as I'd like, 426 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,504 for as long as I would like, but being the front man, 427 00:17:26,546 --> 00:17:29,966 getting on the mic and all that shit, I don't know. 428 00:17:30,008 --> 00:17:32,093 I think, you know -- 429 00:17:32,135 --> 00:17:33,553 I was funny about doing the Super Bowl 430 00:17:33,595 --> 00:17:36,389 because I'm at this age, but I felt like 431 00:17:36,431 --> 00:17:41,686 because we're in LA and the Rams are here and -- 432 00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:43,813 -I like that you're mindful of that, though. 433 00:17:43,855 --> 00:17:47,609 Because some people are lost in it, and you don't, like -- 434 00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:50,070 you know, you don't want to accept the fact that hey, man, 435 00:17:50,111 --> 00:17:52,822 look -- these times change. -Yeah. 436 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:54,616 This thing that we do, especially hip hop, 437 00:17:54,657 --> 00:17:56,701 is a young man's game. -Yeah. Absolutely. 438 00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:58,411 -How long can I get away with this? 439 00:17:58,453 --> 00:18:00,246 I mean, I can get away with producing young artists 440 00:18:00,288 --> 00:18:02,499 and, you know, I can -- 441 00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:05,210 On my 90th birthday, I can blow out 90 candles, 442 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:07,337 and produce a young artist that's 22. 443 00:18:07,379 --> 00:18:08,838 I can produce and stay in the background -- 444 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,465 -We don't want to see you at 90 with the bandana -- 445 00:18:10,507 --> 00:18:13,385 -You're not going to see me, though. 446 00:18:13,426 --> 00:18:16,346 No, I'm just in the studio playing 447 00:18:16,388 --> 00:18:17,722 and doing my thing. But -- 448 00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:19,265 -With the Dickies on. 449 00:18:19,307 --> 00:18:21,142 -No, you won't see that, Kevin. 450 00:18:21,184 --> 00:18:23,520 I promise you, you won't see that. 451 00:18:23,561 --> 00:18:25,522 I was funny about doing this shit, so -- 452 00:18:25,563 --> 00:18:27,774 -Yes, but I had to make you understand. 453 00:18:27,816 --> 00:18:30,068 I said, "Dre, I got you." And as you see, 454 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:32,278 like, what I said is exactly what I mean. 455 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,406 It's exactly what I said it would be. 456 00:18:34,447 --> 00:18:35,824 -I knew it was going to be fun. 457 00:18:35,865 --> 00:18:37,617 You know, I don't like coming outside. But -- 458 00:18:37,659 --> 00:18:39,786 -But this is a good reason to because I feel like people 459 00:18:39,828 --> 00:18:41,121 don't get a chance to -- 460 00:18:41,162 --> 00:18:43,540 people don't get a chance to hear you speak. 461 00:18:43,581 --> 00:18:45,542 People don't get a chance to hear your passion. 462 00:18:45,583 --> 00:18:49,170 We can see it from afar, we can assume -- 463 00:18:49,212 --> 00:18:51,548 -It's definitely a massive amount of passion, 464 00:18:51,589 --> 00:18:55,552 and at this point in my life, I only want to come out for big. 465 00:18:55,593 --> 00:18:57,303 I only want to come outside for big shit. 466 00:18:57,345 --> 00:18:58,763 -OK. -I only want to come out 467 00:18:58,805 --> 00:19:00,473 when it's just, like, it really means something. 468 00:19:00,515 --> 00:19:03,560 You know, like the Super Bowl and the Grammy shit. 469 00:19:03,601 --> 00:19:05,228 I'm not trying to pat myself on the back 470 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:07,355 and shit like that right now, but it's like, 471 00:19:07,397 --> 00:19:10,066 I want to come outside for big shit. 472 00:19:10,108 --> 00:19:11,401 -Mm-hmm, the Super Bowl, 473 00:19:11,443 --> 00:19:12,736 what I love about the Super Bowl, 474 00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:15,822 is it was a collaboration, right? 475 00:19:15,864 --> 00:19:17,323 -Yeah. -It was a -- 476 00:19:17,365 --> 00:19:18,700 -Again, that word, collaboration. 477 00:19:18,742 --> 00:19:19,951 -It was a collaboration. 478 00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:23,747 It was a celebration of -- 479 00:19:23,788 --> 00:19:25,790 -I didn't mean to segue into the Super Bowl 480 00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:28,335 to start talking about that shit and patting myself on the back. 481 00:19:28,376 --> 00:19:31,296 -No, no, but this is a great segue, 482 00:19:31,338 --> 00:19:34,591 and going along with the direction of the conversation. 483 00:19:34,632 --> 00:19:36,676 What I love about the Super Bowl, 484 00:19:36,718 --> 00:19:41,222 the collaboration, for one. The celebration of rap 485 00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:43,350 being embraced on that stage is always dope, 486 00:19:43,391 --> 00:19:45,101 because America gets to see it and -- 487 00:19:45,143 --> 00:19:47,479 -Yeah, we had to do it right because it was the first time 488 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,105 it was done, so I went all out. 489 00:19:49,147 --> 00:19:50,440 I spent money out of my pocket 490 00:19:50,482 --> 00:19:52,359 to get that show to look the way that it did. 491 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,402 -Production was A1. -Yeah. 492 00:19:54,444 --> 00:19:56,488 -OK, so let's go -- let's go now and look -- 493 00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:57,989 look past Super Bowl. 494 00:19:58,031 --> 00:20:00,909 Oh, my God, blown the fuck away. People are blown away. 495 00:20:00,950 --> 00:20:04,954 Oh, my God, what a look for LA, what a look for Dr. Dre, 496 00:20:04,996 --> 00:20:08,541 a look -- what a look in general across the board. 497 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:13,672 Oh, shit, Fif, Eminem, Kendrick, Snoop, Mary, this is a big deal. 498 00:20:13,713 --> 00:20:16,299 -They all murdered it. Each person in that segment, 499 00:20:16,341 --> 00:20:18,802 like Kendrick, Eminem, murdered shit. 500 00:20:18,843 --> 00:20:22,806 -Murdered it. Murdered it. Right now, you get to sit 501 00:20:22,847 --> 00:20:24,641 and you get to look back at these moments, right? 502 00:20:24,683 --> 00:20:26,685 And you said to me earlier, you were like, 503 00:20:26,726 --> 00:20:28,812 "It's a hard time. I have a hard time 504 00:20:28,853 --> 00:20:30,647 finding that thing," 505 00:20:30,689 --> 00:20:32,857 like you were talking about, like when the back 506 00:20:32,899 --> 00:20:36,152 was against the wall and that level of creative. 507 00:20:36,194 --> 00:20:37,570 So then where do you find it? 508 00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:39,406 Like, for you to collaborate with these people, 509 00:20:39,447 --> 00:20:41,533 you're finding something, you're digging from somewhere. 510 00:20:41,574 --> 00:20:43,451 So where do you find the energy to create -- 511 00:20:43,493 --> 00:20:45,286 -I don't know, Kevin. You know what? 512 00:20:45,328 --> 00:20:47,831 It's like -- It's really weird right now, 513 00:20:47,872 --> 00:20:51,710 trying to find inspiration, and you know, 514 00:20:51,751 --> 00:20:53,670 being in the place that I am with my life, 515 00:20:53,712 --> 00:20:59,592 massive amount of freedom, not just because of my divorce, 516 00:20:59,634 --> 00:21:00,927 just a massive amount of freedom 517 00:21:00,969 --> 00:21:04,973 and I'm, for the first time in my life, 518 00:21:05,015 --> 00:21:07,392 I have all of this freedom and I'm trying to figure out 519 00:21:07,434 --> 00:21:08,852 what I'm going to do next creatively, 520 00:21:08,893 --> 00:21:10,645 and it's like a good thing and a bad thing. 521 00:21:10,687 --> 00:21:12,814 You know? -OK, do you feel like -- 522 00:21:12,856 --> 00:21:16,943 do you feel like you're the happiest you've ever been now? 523 00:21:16,985 --> 00:21:19,487 -Absolutely. -OK. 524 00:21:19,529 --> 00:21:22,574 -At this moment, this very fucking second, 525 00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:24,367 I'm the happiest that I've ever been in my life 526 00:21:24,409 --> 00:21:30,457 because I have a complete free line to be creative. 527 00:21:30,498 --> 00:21:33,376 I'm free for the first time in my life, 528 00:21:33,418 --> 00:21:35,712 and I'm not just talking about relationships. 529 00:21:35,754 --> 00:21:37,589 My kids are grown. They're out of the house. 530 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:41,468 I don't need money. I only have to work if I want to. 531 00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:43,762 So I think that's the true -- for me personally, 532 00:21:43,803 --> 00:21:45,638 that's the true definition of success. 533 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,726 -Was there, at the highest level of success, 534 00:21:49,768 --> 00:21:52,645 the idea of stress, pressure, anxiety, whatever. 535 00:21:52,687 --> 00:21:56,024 -Of course. -What were the lows for you? 536 00:21:56,066 --> 00:21:59,736 -The lows for me are just trying to keep up 537 00:21:59,778 --> 00:22:01,321 with everything that you just said. 538 00:22:01,363 --> 00:22:02,739 -OK, OK. 539 00:22:02,781 --> 00:22:04,908 -Just trying to keep up with that thing. 540 00:22:04,949 --> 00:22:10,372 And making sure that I look right to my family 541 00:22:10,413 --> 00:22:11,790 and my kids and shit like that. 542 00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:13,458 -OK. -But I don't know -- 543 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:14,709 -Did that appear to be too fast? 544 00:22:14,751 --> 00:22:16,252 -No, no, I don't know, 545 00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:19,839 the way you just put it is a little bit fucking weird. 546 00:22:19,881 --> 00:22:24,803 I don't know if I've ever, like, at least in the last 547 00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:28,473 let's say 20 or 30 years experienced extreme lows. 548 00:22:28,515 --> 00:22:31,309 Outside of deaths in my family. 549 00:22:31,351 --> 00:22:35,647 Outside of that, which were like -- 550 00:22:35,689 --> 00:22:39,067 I can't even tell you how low I was around those times. 551 00:22:39,109 --> 00:22:40,610 But other than that, 552 00:22:40,652 --> 00:22:43,988 I don't know if I've ever experienced like extreme lows 553 00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:46,408 when it comes to just show business and shit like that. 554 00:22:46,449 --> 00:22:50,286 -Well, you know what I was getting to 555 00:22:50,328 --> 00:22:51,788 or alluding to -- 556 00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:53,623 -I know where you're trying to go. 557 00:22:53,665 --> 00:22:56,126 -Yeah, it's, like, because you sometimes 558 00:22:56,167 --> 00:23:01,548 reach these crazy levels, and after reaching the levels, 559 00:23:01,589 --> 00:23:02,882 the pressure that we put on ourselves -- 560 00:23:02,924 --> 00:23:04,884 I talked about it with several artists, 561 00:23:04,926 --> 00:23:07,387 several entertainers that have come on this show -- 562 00:23:07,429 --> 00:23:08,638 there's a high level of pressure 563 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,223 that we sometimes put on ourselves, 564 00:23:10,265 --> 00:23:13,476 and that pressure sometimes puts us in a place of like, fuck! 565 00:23:13,518 --> 00:23:15,103 -Yeah, but it's unnecessary pressure. 566 00:23:15,145 --> 00:23:16,646 -Absolutely, but you have to discover that 567 00:23:16,688 --> 00:23:18,148 and figure that out. 568 00:23:18,189 --> 00:23:19,649 -For me, it's unnecessary pressure 569 00:23:19,691 --> 00:23:21,901 and I don't like bow into that. 570 00:23:21,943 --> 00:23:23,903 It's just about me trying to figure out 571 00:23:23,945 --> 00:23:25,655 what I'm going to do next. And I'm like -- 572 00:23:25,697 --> 00:23:27,657 Especially now, I'm in a place where all I have to do 573 00:23:27,699 --> 00:23:29,659 is think about what I'd like to do next, 574 00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:32,912 or what I'd like to buy next, you know? 575 00:23:32,954 --> 00:23:34,664 I have that luxury. -What is that? 576 00:23:34,706 --> 00:23:36,499 Do you have an idea of what that is? 577 00:23:36,541 --> 00:23:38,001 -I have no idea. 578 00:23:38,043 --> 00:23:39,794 I don't know what I'd like to do next creatively, 579 00:23:39,836 --> 00:23:45,675 I don't know if it's, like, movies, TV, music, art. 580 00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:47,802 I draw, I don't know. 581 00:23:47,844 --> 00:23:54,809 -I got it. Who is Dre's, like, they did it right? 582 00:23:54,851 --> 00:23:56,853 -I don't know, man. It's just like, 583 00:23:56,895 --> 00:24:03,818 I'd have to go, like, way back to a guy named Larry Smith, 584 00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:06,154 who never really gets his props. -OK. 585 00:24:06,196 --> 00:24:09,199 -Producer named Larry Smith who produced a lot of Run-DMC 586 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,952 at the beginning, LL Cool J, a lot of shit for Def Jam. 587 00:24:12,994 --> 00:24:16,414 Houdini, * Friends, how many of us have them? * 588 00:24:16,456 --> 00:24:19,918 Those records that I grew up on. 589 00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:25,840 Larry Smith, Hank Shocklee, the Bomb Squad, Marley Marl, 590 00:24:25,882 --> 00:24:28,259 those are the -- of course, Quincy Jones. 591 00:24:28,301 --> 00:24:30,303 -The big dog. -Quincy Jones -- 592 00:24:30,345 --> 00:24:31,846 -The way you say those names. 593 00:24:31,888 --> 00:24:33,640 -Yeah, Quincy Jones and Bruce Swedien. 594 00:24:33,682 --> 00:24:36,101 It's, like, the "Thriller" album 595 00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:38,728 was my go-to when I started engineering 596 00:24:38,770 --> 00:24:41,106 and developing my skills on the mixing board and shit. 597 00:24:41,147 --> 00:24:44,317 That was my go-to, to try to make my music 598 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,819 have that type of clarity. 599 00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:47,737 -Was there anybody that was a part of that growth, 600 00:24:47,779 --> 00:24:49,614 like when you talk about, you started 601 00:24:49,656 --> 00:24:50,990 learning the boards and figuring -- 602 00:24:51,032 --> 00:24:53,243 -No, man, I did all that shit on my own. 603 00:24:53,284 --> 00:24:54,744 I taught myself the board. 604 00:24:54,786 --> 00:24:57,914 -No school, that's all just the art of consistency 605 00:24:57,956 --> 00:25:00,083 and trying and figuring it out as you go. 606 00:25:00,125 --> 00:25:02,252 -Yeah, that was just me, alone in the garage, 607 00:25:02,293 --> 00:25:05,505 figuring it out on my own. So, yeah, I'm self-taught. 608 00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:06,881 So, as weird as that sounds. 609 00:25:06,923 --> 00:25:08,299 -No, it doesn't sound weird. 610 00:25:08,341 --> 00:25:10,093 But being self-taught, 611 00:25:10,135 --> 00:25:12,095 of course you have a high level of understanding now. 612 00:25:12,137 --> 00:25:13,680 I can only assume that you're passing 613 00:25:13,722 --> 00:25:16,433 that down to the artists that you work with -- 614 00:25:16,474 --> 00:25:17,809 -All the time. 615 00:25:17,851 --> 00:25:19,102 -Making sure that they gravitate 616 00:25:19,144 --> 00:25:20,687 and understand the complete ecosystem. 617 00:25:20,729 --> 00:25:22,105 -Yeah, all the artists that I'm around, 618 00:25:22,147 --> 00:25:24,524 and a lot of the artists, when they come in, 619 00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:26,901 it's like, "Show me how you do..." 620 00:25:26,943 --> 00:25:30,113 I have no problem with, like, sitting there, this is what I'm, 621 00:25:30,155 --> 00:25:32,991 this is why I'm doing this, and this is -- if you do this, 622 00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:34,868 this is what's going to happen, and the whole shit, 623 00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:36,911 not only with artists that I'm around, but my kids and shit. 624 00:25:36,953 --> 00:25:38,955 Especially with my son. My son, Truice -- 625 00:25:38,997 --> 00:25:42,459 he's really in it and make shit happen. 626 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,252 -How old? -He just turned 25. 627 00:25:44,294 --> 00:25:45,962 -That's dope. -Yeah. 628 00:25:46,004 --> 00:25:48,298 -That's dope. I mean, that's the biggest compliment to any dad 629 00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:50,133 is to see their child pick up the love or passion -- 630 00:25:50,175 --> 00:25:52,761 -Yeah, I guess. To keep it real with you, 631 00:25:52,802 --> 00:25:54,471 I didn't want him to get into this shit. 632 00:25:54,512 --> 00:25:55,972 -Really? -No, I didn't. 633 00:25:56,014 --> 00:25:57,724 -OK. -But what can you do? 634 00:25:57,766 --> 00:26:00,268 -Why, just because of you knowing the -- 635 00:26:00,310 --> 00:26:03,813 -The bullshit that comes along with this business 636 00:26:03,855 --> 00:26:05,148 and the politics and all that shit. 637 00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:09,652 It's just like, it's so many let downs 638 00:26:09,694 --> 00:26:11,404 that comes along with this shit, so you know. 639 00:26:11,446 --> 00:26:13,323 -It's in his blood, whether you like it or not. 640 00:26:13,365 --> 00:26:15,325 It's in there. -That's it. 641 00:26:15,367 --> 00:26:16,951 -Yeah, you did that. 642 00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:19,496 And success will happen. It's in his blood. 643 00:26:19,537 --> 00:26:21,831 -Yeah. -And the understanding of how 644 00:26:21,873 --> 00:26:23,833 and figuring it out is in his blood too, so -- 645 00:26:23,875 --> 00:26:26,586 -Hundred percent. -I can only imagine 646 00:26:26,628 --> 00:26:28,630 what he may be or will be one day. 647 00:26:28,672 --> 00:26:30,173 But it comes from what he saw, right? 648 00:26:30,215 --> 00:26:31,800 Being in that environment, that's dope as fuck. 649 00:26:31,841 --> 00:26:33,176 -Whatever it is, it's going to be the shit so -- 650 00:26:33,218 --> 00:26:35,887 -Congrats, man. That's huge, toast to you. 651 00:26:35,929 --> 00:26:36,930 Toast to your son. -Thank you. 652 00:26:36,971 --> 00:26:39,015 -And him just figuring it out. 653 00:26:39,057 --> 00:26:41,393 Dre, let's stop for a second and take a quick break. 654 00:26:41,434 --> 00:26:42,936 Guys, we've got more Dr. Dre 655 00:26:42,977 --> 00:26:45,021 when we get back after these messages. 656 00:26:45,063 --> 00:26:47,023 -And me, you know, I'm 56 years old. 657 00:26:47,065 --> 00:26:50,193 -Damn! 658 00:26:50,235 --> 00:26:51,653 I'm sorry. 659 00:26:52,696 --> 00:26:54,030 I'm sorry. 660 00:26:54,072 --> 00:27:00,954 ** 661 00:27:04,624 --> 00:27:09,004 ** 662 00:27:09,045 --> 00:27:10,296 -Welcome back to "Hart to Heart." 663 00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:13,133 We are still talking with Dr. Dre. 664 00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:15,135 The conversation is nothing short of amazing. 665 00:27:15,176 --> 00:27:19,723 Dre, I want to know what -- On this side of the table. 666 00:27:19,764 --> 00:27:21,599 Got another good question for you, right? 667 00:27:21,641 --> 00:27:22,892 -Alright. 668 00:27:22,934 --> 00:27:24,686 -We're talking about music now. 669 00:27:24,728 --> 00:27:26,688 We're talking about artists now. 670 00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:29,816 Who does Dr. Dre listen to now? 671 00:27:29,858 --> 00:27:32,485 Who is Dr. Dre embracing in these times? 672 00:27:32,527 --> 00:27:34,195 -I get this question all the time, Kevin. 673 00:27:34,237 --> 00:27:36,031 It's like -- -Well, don't fucking make it 674 00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:37,407 seem like my question wasn't shit. 675 00:27:37,449 --> 00:27:38,616 -No, no. 676 00:27:38,658 --> 00:27:39,826 -That's a great fucking question. 677 00:27:39,868 --> 00:27:41,077 -It is a good question -- 678 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,537 -I thought I just hit you with a doozy. 679 00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:46,541 -Stop, stop that. No, I didn't mean it like that. 680 00:27:46,583 --> 00:27:48,877 -Who do you like? 681 00:27:48,918 --> 00:27:50,670 -I'm listening to different genres 682 00:27:50,712 --> 00:27:52,464 of music all the time. 683 00:27:52,505 --> 00:27:57,385 I might -- this week, I might be listening to '70s soul, 684 00:27:57,427 --> 00:28:01,514 next week I might be listening to rock or the Beatles, 685 00:28:01,556 --> 00:28:07,020 or some shit like that. I'm all over the place. 686 00:28:07,062 --> 00:28:08,938 I might be listening to some fucking polka 687 00:28:08,980 --> 00:28:11,107 or something when I leave here. I don't know. 688 00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:16,863 I get inspiration from all types of genres of music. 689 00:28:16,905 --> 00:28:18,073 I don't know, I don't have a -- 690 00:28:18,114 --> 00:28:20,116 I don't necessarily have a favorite. 691 00:28:20,158 --> 00:28:22,619 I have a favorite of the week, let me put it like that. 692 00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:24,162 -OK, OK, I like that. 693 00:28:24,204 --> 00:28:28,875 When we're talking about the artists, 694 00:28:28,917 --> 00:28:33,922 I'm beyond impressed with the work 695 00:28:33,963 --> 00:28:35,965 and body of work of Kendrick Lamar. 696 00:28:36,007 --> 00:28:37,717 -Yeah. -For you to be somebody 697 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,053 that was influential 698 00:28:40,095 --> 00:28:42,138 and, of course, a part of his career early on, 699 00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:44,265 to see him now grow into the artist that he is today. 700 00:28:44,307 --> 00:28:46,226 -I can't take credit for that. -I didn't say take credit. 701 00:28:46,267 --> 00:28:49,729 I'm saying to see him grow. I didn't say responsible, 702 00:28:49,771 --> 00:28:52,607 I'm saying for you to see him grow into what he is today. 703 00:28:52,649 --> 00:28:55,777 -Kendrick Lamar is a real motherfucking artist. 704 00:28:55,819 --> 00:28:57,570 -Yeah. -Like, the true definition 705 00:28:57,612 --> 00:28:59,572 of the word. -Absolutely. 706 00:28:59,614 --> 00:29:02,117 -And the only thing I can take credit for 707 00:29:02,158 --> 00:29:04,160 is opening the door for him. 708 00:29:04,202 --> 00:29:05,995 Because he's done everything himself. 709 00:29:06,037 --> 00:29:08,456 Him and Dave Free. -What's that relationship like, 710 00:29:08,498 --> 00:29:09,791 with you and Kendrick? -Oh, we have 711 00:29:09,833 --> 00:29:12,794 a fantastic relationship. Yeah. 712 00:29:12,836 --> 00:29:15,130 -I like -- I like the fact 713 00:29:15,171 --> 00:29:17,507 that you're -- well, the way that I look at it, 714 00:29:17,549 --> 00:29:23,304 I'm extremely observant and watching Kendrick. 715 00:29:23,346 --> 00:29:27,517 Seeing Kendrick from early on, young rapper, 716 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:32,105 the BET Cyphers to eventually getting to the album "DAMN." 717 00:29:32,147 --> 00:29:34,607 -Yeah. -To then growing and developing 718 00:29:34,649 --> 00:29:38,737 into an artist that really had to be moved to go 719 00:29:38,778 --> 00:29:43,533 and actually put his craft in a space for people to hear it. 720 00:29:43,575 --> 00:29:46,619 To then get to where he is like today, in tour -- 721 00:29:46,661 --> 00:29:49,497 -No, he's a fucking -- no, he's amazing man, let me -- 722 00:29:49,539 --> 00:29:52,876 Kendrick is one of those artists that we call "forever artists." 723 00:29:52,917 --> 00:29:54,544 -OK. Define that for me. 724 00:29:54,586 --> 00:29:57,756 -He could disappear for fucking five years 725 00:29:57,797 --> 00:30:01,009 or something like that, and come back and fuck our heads up. 726 00:30:01,051 --> 00:30:02,719 -Yeah. -Some artists feel like, 727 00:30:02,761 --> 00:30:05,847 "I have to do something all the time so I won't be forgotten." 728 00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:07,849 You know? That's not him. 729 00:30:07,891 --> 00:30:11,895 He can disappear and come back with something that's shocking, 730 00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:15,357 that's amazing, and everybody's going to tune in and listen. 731 00:30:15,398 --> 00:30:18,526 -Do you have another example of a forever artist? 732 00:30:18,568 --> 00:30:21,946 -Um... 733 00:30:21,988 --> 00:30:24,199 Snoop, Eminem, forever artists. 734 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,284 If we're talking about just artists that I've worked with. 735 00:30:26,326 --> 00:30:28,578 -No, just in general, just I like that. 736 00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:30,413 -Yeah, you know I mean, 737 00:30:30,455 --> 00:30:33,708 that's a really tough question to answer, 738 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:35,043 because all of a sudden 739 00:30:35,085 --> 00:30:36,378 we're talking about Michael and Prince, 740 00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:37,545 all that shit, you know what I mean? 741 00:30:37,587 --> 00:30:40,298 Of course those are forever artists. 742 00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:43,301 -Let's talk about, like, the climate now of rap now, right? 743 00:30:43,343 --> 00:30:47,722 A lot of older rappers, some of them that come from -- 744 00:30:47,764 --> 00:30:50,225 -What's older? -Well, you know. 745 00:30:50,266 --> 00:30:52,268 We're not going to put an age on it, right? 746 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:53,728 -We're not going to, but let's just say 747 00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:55,397 a lot of rappers from back then. 748 00:30:55,438 --> 00:30:56,981 -From back in the day. -Yeah, a lot of rappers 749 00:30:57,023 --> 00:30:58,983 from back in the day. -Like how far? 750 00:30:59,025 --> 00:31:02,487 -Rappers that can relate to either "hoowah," or -- 751 00:31:02,529 --> 00:31:04,072 -Oh, you're going back that far? 752 00:31:04,114 --> 00:31:05,657 -No, this is good, yeah 753 00:31:05,699 --> 00:31:06,908 [ Both shouting emphatically ] 754 00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:08,076 -Either [shouts]. -That's a long time ago. 755 00:31:08,118 --> 00:31:11,371 [ Laughs ] -Yeah, or "Bitch!" 756 00:31:11,413 --> 00:31:14,499 At the end -- like, the rappers that can punch a curse word 757 00:31:14,541 --> 00:31:16,960 at the end in doing it or a noise. 758 00:31:17,002 --> 00:31:22,048 Rappers have been quoted just speaking 759 00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:25,385 on the state of hip hop today, 760 00:31:25,427 --> 00:31:32,434 right, or the artistry, or the enthusiasm, or if it is -- 761 00:31:32,475 --> 00:31:34,102 -Are you saying rappers today 762 00:31:34,144 --> 00:31:35,437 speaking on the state of hip hop today? 763 00:31:35,478 --> 00:31:36,771 -Rappers from -- -Or older rappers -- 764 00:31:36,813 --> 00:31:38,148 Rappers from back -- older rappers speaking 765 00:31:38,189 --> 00:31:39,649 on the state of it, right? -OK. 766 00:31:39,691 --> 00:31:42,944 -Some have been quoted as not supporting or against 767 00:31:42,986 --> 00:31:44,988 or not embracing younger rappers. 768 00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:46,531 It just felt like we don't get enough love from the old heads. 769 00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:48,491 -Fuck that. -What is your take on that? 770 00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:50,160 -Fuck that. Let me tell you something -- 771 00:31:50,201 --> 00:31:51,786 hip hop is what it is. 772 00:31:51,828 --> 00:31:54,622 Anybody that's talking about the state of hip hop right now 773 00:31:54,664 --> 00:31:56,458 and talking about it from a negative place 774 00:31:56,499 --> 00:31:58,376 sounds like somebody's fucking grandfather. 775 00:31:58,418 --> 00:31:59,627 -OK. -You know what I'm saying? 776 00:31:59,669 --> 00:32:01,838 -I love that. -This is just what it is. 777 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,298 Hip hop is evolving. 778 00:32:03,340 --> 00:32:05,592 If you don't like it, don't listen to it. 779 00:32:05,633 --> 00:32:06,885 You know what I'm saying? 780 00:32:06,926 --> 00:32:08,511 Keeping it all the way one hundred with you -- 781 00:32:08,553 --> 00:32:11,306 some of this shit, most of this shit I don't like. 782 00:32:11,348 --> 00:32:13,308 I don't listen to a lot of that shit. 783 00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:15,310 But, I'm not hating on it. -Yeah. 784 00:32:15,352 --> 00:32:18,646 -I'm never going to hate on it. It's evolving. 785 00:32:18,688 --> 00:32:20,065 And these kids are using 786 00:32:20,106 --> 00:32:22,692 what they have at their fingertips, right? 787 00:32:22,734 --> 00:32:24,819 I mean back in the day, I used to have to go out 788 00:32:24,861 --> 00:32:28,198 and buy motherfucking keyboards and buy sounds from pawn shops 789 00:32:28,239 --> 00:32:30,325 and shit like that to get my sounds out. 790 00:32:30,367 --> 00:32:31,993 They have everything at their fingertips right now, 791 00:32:32,035 --> 00:32:36,331 but you can't be mad at that. This is what it is. 792 00:32:36,373 --> 00:32:38,208 If you don't like it, motherfucker, 793 00:32:38,249 --> 00:32:40,502 do something about it. -Yeah, change it. 794 00:32:40,543 --> 00:32:42,629 -If you don't like what's happening right now, 795 00:32:42,671 --> 00:32:45,382 are you fucking strong enough or talented enough 796 00:32:45,423 --> 00:32:47,967 to do something new to change it to make it, 797 00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:50,303 to do something that you like? 798 00:32:50,345 --> 00:32:53,181 Other than that, shut the fuck up. 799 00:32:53,223 --> 00:32:57,018 That's it. Stop hating. 800 00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:58,478 No, absolutely I agree. 801 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,023 Wait, wait, before you carry on any further, 802 00:33:02,065 --> 00:33:04,067 let's pay some bills. Guys, this is "Hart to Heart." 803 00:33:04,109 --> 00:33:06,861 I'm sitting with Dr. Dre, we'll be right back after this. 804 00:33:06,903 --> 00:33:14,119 ** 805 00:33:16,955 --> 00:33:22,210 ** 806 00:33:22,252 --> 00:33:24,254 -Welcome back to "Hart to Heart." 807 00:33:24,295 --> 00:33:29,384 Dre, so what are you like as a boss? 808 00:33:29,426 --> 00:33:31,344 Working for Dr. Dre -- like, this attitude, 809 00:33:31,386 --> 00:33:32,804 this bravado right here -- 810 00:33:32,846 --> 00:33:34,639 the people that have to be around you, 811 00:33:34,681 --> 00:33:36,975 the people that are a part of your environment 812 00:33:37,017 --> 00:33:39,853 and the creative, is this the energy that matches? 813 00:33:39,894 --> 00:33:43,565 Is there a very strong approach to, "Hey, man, look, 814 00:33:43,606 --> 00:33:45,567 either we going to do what we got to do, 815 00:33:45,608 --> 00:33:47,360 or we not, and if you're not going to do this, 816 00:33:47,402 --> 00:33:49,696 then this ain't the place for you, you got to go." 817 00:33:49,738 --> 00:33:55,535 Or is there a more patient world to understanding? 818 00:33:55,577 --> 00:33:59,414 -Kevin, usually I'm -- 819 00:33:59,456 --> 00:34:02,042 I treat everybody the way I want to be treated. 820 00:34:02,083 --> 00:34:03,418 -OK. -That's what it is. 821 00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:05,462 I don't lead with my ego or anything like that. 822 00:34:05,503 --> 00:34:08,006 I don't feel like I'm better than you or you're better 823 00:34:08,048 --> 00:34:12,552 than me or anything like that. The people that work with me 824 00:34:12,594 --> 00:34:14,346 and for me may say something different. 825 00:34:14,387 --> 00:34:18,600 But I don't know, I just feel like -- 826 00:34:18,641 --> 00:34:21,811 I feel like I'm the coolest motherfucker ever and especially 827 00:34:21,853 --> 00:34:24,064 when we're working in the same space. 828 00:34:24,105 --> 00:34:26,358 If we're working together, 829 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:28,151 I'm not tripping on no egotistical shit, 830 00:34:28,193 --> 00:34:30,737 I'm not thinking that because I've done everything I've done 831 00:34:30,779 --> 00:34:33,907 in my career that I'm better than you or whatever. 832 00:34:33,948 --> 00:34:35,700 We're on the same fucking playing field, 833 00:34:35,742 --> 00:34:37,243 and we're in there to make some magic. 834 00:34:37,285 --> 00:34:38,661 That's all it is. 835 00:34:38,703 --> 00:34:41,498 -If there could be a dream, like, project 836 00:34:41,539 --> 00:34:47,545 or a dream opportunity, right, the reunion of, 837 00:34:47,587 --> 00:34:51,591 or the collaboration between all the artists 838 00:34:51,633 --> 00:34:53,927 that I've had the privilege to work with -- 839 00:34:53,968 --> 00:34:55,637 Any of these things, have any of these things -- 840 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,599 -Dead or alive? -I mean, damn. 841 00:34:59,641 --> 00:35:02,686 Wow, I'm going to say both. If you could combine it. 842 00:35:02,727 --> 00:35:07,607 If you could pick your dream -- your dream work. 843 00:35:07,649 --> 00:35:10,694 This is my dream work project. 844 00:35:10,735 --> 00:35:14,030 My dream work project attached to music, and this right here, 845 00:35:14,072 --> 00:35:16,574 "Oh, my God, if I had the opportunity to do..." 846 00:35:16,616 --> 00:35:19,327 What would that be for you? -Man, that's -- man. 847 00:35:21,663 --> 00:35:23,456 You should have started this motherfucking interview 848 00:35:23,498 --> 00:35:25,250 with that one. -That's a great one. 849 00:35:25,291 --> 00:35:27,502 I would have started with that. We're getting close to the end. 850 00:35:27,544 --> 00:35:29,754 You start to get the big bangers at the end. 851 00:35:29,796 --> 00:35:33,800 -Yeah, it's going to sound really weird -- 852 00:35:33,842 --> 00:35:37,220 Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, Kurt Cobain, 853 00:35:37,262 --> 00:35:40,348 Jimi Hendrix, Freddy Mercury. 854 00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:43,476 -Music buff. 855 00:35:43,518 --> 00:35:45,937 -Yeah, I mean I can go on. Barry White. 856 00:35:45,979 --> 00:35:47,480 -Wow. 857 00:35:47,522 --> 00:35:53,319 -Isaac Hayes, Led Zeppelin, well, yeah. 858 00:35:53,361 --> 00:35:54,946 -Wow. 859 00:35:54,988 --> 00:35:59,117 -So, you know, those are most of my heroes, and of course -- 860 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:04,831 this is a really fucking crazy story -- Stevie Wonder. 861 00:36:04,873 --> 00:36:06,750 There's a couple of times in my career 862 00:36:06,791 --> 00:36:11,004 where I fucking bowed out and just -- 863 00:36:11,046 --> 00:36:12,672 -I was going to ask you that next. 864 00:36:12,714 --> 00:36:14,049 Who did you have the opportunity to work with 865 00:36:14,090 --> 00:36:15,925 and you was like "nah" then, but you regret 866 00:36:15,967 --> 00:36:17,427 and that you should have worked with? 867 00:36:17,469 --> 00:36:18,845 But, I don't want to throw your story off. 868 00:36:18,887 --> 00:36:22,015 -No, but yeah, that's a good segue. 869 00:36:22,057 --> 00:36:25,643 Prince. Michael Jackson. 870 00:36:25,685 --> 00:36:27,479 -You bowed out from working with them? 871 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,980 -Yeah, yeah. -Both of them?! 872 00:36:29,022 --> 00:36:30,190 -Yeah. 873 00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:31,566 -You didn't work with both Prince 874 00:36:31,608 --> 00:36:32,901 and Michael Jackson?! -Yeah. 875 00:36:32,942 --> 00:36:34,611 -Was it like a demo tape or something? 876 00:36:34,652 --> 00:36:36,488 -No, they just asked me to work with them, 877 00:36:36,529 --> 00:36:38,698 and I just -- like, "What the fuck am I going to do with them?" 878 00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:41,409 -What?! -Yeah, that happened. 879 00:36:41,451 --> 00:36:45,163 -What?! -Yeah. 880 00:36:45,205 --> 00:36:47,082 -Was there, like -- -What the fuck am I going to do 881 00:36:47,123 --> 00:36:48,458 in the studio with them? 882 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,168 Those are my fucking heroes, man, you know? 883 00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:52,420 -You're Dr. Dre! -Stop. 884 00:36:52,462 --> 00:36:54,005 -You're Dr. Fucking Dre, what do you mean? 885 00:36:54,047 --> 00:36:58,718 -And most recently, Stevie Wonder. 886 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,555 So I'm working on an album with Marsha Ambrosia, right, 887 00:37:02,597 --> 00:37:03,848 and we -- -So talented. 888 00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:06,559 -She's amazing. And we did some music, 889 00:37:06,601 --> 00:37:09,646 a song using Stevie Wonder's music, 890 00:37:09,688 --> 00:37:11,356 and he had to clear it, and he called me up, 891 00:37:11,398 --> 00:37:13,358 like, "Oh --" 892 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,901 For some reason, Stevie Wonder calls you, 893 00:37:14,943 --> 00:37:17,946 like, super early in the morning. 894 00:37:17,987 --> 00:37:19,739 Like, 6:00-7:00 in the morning or some shit. 895 00:37:19,781 --> 00:37:22,117 I'm like, just because you can't see the time... 896 00:37:22,158 --> 00:37:23,368 Like... 897 00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:24,744 [ Laughter ] 898 00:37:24,786 --> 00:37:28,331 The fuck? Right? So, true story. 899 00:37:28,373 --> 00:37:30,333 He's like, "I don't like the lyrics. 900 00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:31,751 I don't like the lyrics, Dre." 901 00:37:31,793 --> 00:37:33,753 Like, OK, we went in and changed the lyrics. 902 00:37:33,795 --> 00:37:35,880 He's like, "Why don't we --" 903 00:37:35,922 --> 00:37:37,841 [ Laughter ] 904 00:37:37,882 --> 00:37:42,971 Stop, Kevin, I don't want to elaborate on that shit. 905 00:37:43,013 --> 00:37:45,557 It's like -- 906 00:37:45,598 --> 00:37:48,101 -"Stevie, Stevie, it's 3:00 a.m." 907 00:37:48,143 --> 00:37:49,644 "What?" 908 00:37:49,686 --> 00:37:51,646 [ Laughter ] 909 00:37:51,688 --> 00:37:52,981 -Like really, is it like -- 910 00:37:53,023 --> 00:37:56,609 what the fuck -- What the fuck is the difference, 911 00:37:56,651 --> 00:37:59,279 like 5:00 a.m. or 5:00 p.m. to Stevie? 912 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,533 [ Laughter ] 913 00:38:03,575 --> 00:38:04,826 So this shit happened. 914 00:38:04,868 --> 00:38:07,245 -You're going to hell. [ Laughs ] 915 00:38:07,287 --> 00:38:09,706 -No, this shit happened. -So he just called you, 916 00:38:09,748 --> 00:38:11,666 he didn't like the lyrics. 917 00:38:11,708 --> 00:38:13,251 -He's like, "I didn't like the lyrics." 918 00:38:13,293 --> 00:38:14,878 And he called me back, he's like, "OK, yeah, you know, 919 00:38:14,919 --> 00:38:16,463 Dre, I like the lyrics. 920 00:38:16,504 --> 00:38:18,798 Why don't we get together and just write a song together?" 921 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,302 I'm like, "Yeah, alright, alright, Stevie, alright." 922 00:38:22,344 --> 00:38:25,221 And uh, yeah, I didn't show up. 923 00:38:25,263 --> 00:38:27,015 -You said, "No, I just can't do it." 924 00:38:27,057 --> 00:38:28,475 -What the fuck am I going to do 925 00:38:28,516 --> 00:38:30,185 in the studio with Stevie Wonder? 926 00:38:30,226 --> 00:38:31,644 -I mean. I mean. 927 00:38:31,686 --> 00:38:34,564 -Touch the drums? No. Touch the keyboard? No. 928 00:38:34,606 --> 00:38:36,816 -Yeah. Yeah. -What the fuck? 929 00:38:36,858 --> 00:38:38,568 -Yeah. -Nah. 930 00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:41,237 -You want to be able to give the best -- 931 00:38:41,279 --> 00:38:43,698 -Yeah, I went that way. -But Michael! 932 00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:45,909 You could have figured it out with Mike. 933 00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:48,453 -Like -- -[ Stammers ] 934 00:38:48,495 --> 00:38:50,121 -No, you know what it is? It's like -- 935 00:38:50,163 --> 00:38:51,664 -Do that again, Mike. [ Scatting ] 936 00:38:51,706 --> 00:38:54,959 -Imagine that, imagine me telling Michael Jackson, 937 00:38:55,001 --> 00:38:57,295 "No, Mike, I didn't like that. 938 00:38:57,337 --> 00:39:00,632 We're going to need that second harmony one more time, Mike." 939 00:39:00,674 --> 00:39:05,053 Man, imagine that shit. Nah. 940 00:39:05,095 --> 00:39:07,389 -[ Scatting ] 941 00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:10,141 "I'm sorry, Mike, are you singing that or what is that?" 942 00:39:10,183 --> 00:39:13,687 -No, that's not going to happen. No, so -- 943 00:39:13,728 --> 00:39:15,647 -Mike, say fuck one time. "Fuck." 944 00:39:15,689 --> 00:39:17,857 -These motherfuckers are my heroes, man. 945 00:39:17,899 --> 00:39:19,526 It's like, what the fuck am I going to do in the studio 946 00:39:19,567 --> 00:39:20,777 with Stevie Wonder? 947 00:39:20,819 --> 00:39:21,986 -Yeah. -What the fuck? 948 00:39:22,028 --> 00:39:24,864 When you explain it, I understand it. 949 00:39:24,906 --> 00:39:26,700 I just thought that, like, you were like no -- 950 00:39:26,741 --> 00:39:29,869 -I was curious. I'm definitely curious. 951 00:39:29,911 --> 00:39:32,038 I'm still curious, but. 952 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,291 -But, you clearly have an appetite 953 00:39:35,333 --> 00:39:39,087 for a high volume. You clearly have a volume -- 954 00:39:39,129 --> 00:39:42,382 a high understanding for music in general. 955 00:39:42,424 --> 00:39:46,136 You just went through your people that you listen to, 956 00:39:46,177 --> 00:39:49,055 and I mean, you were at Led Zeppelin at one point. 957 00:39:49,097 --> 00:39:53,059 You were all over the map in genres, like you said. 958 00:39:53,101 --> 00:39:57,856 So is there an opportunity for you to, 959 00:39:57,897 --> 00:40:00,900 I don't know, not just produce on behalf of, 960 00:40:00,942 --> 00:40:04,112 but be responsible or collaborate 961 00:40:04,154 --> 00:40:06,740 with the next version of your successful talent 962 00:40:06,781 --> 00:40:08,450 from that spectrum? -That is different. 963 00:40:08,491 --> 00:40:09,701 -Yeah. -That's different 964 00:40:09,743 --> 00:40:11,536 than working with Prince. 965 00:40:11,578 --> 00:40:14,330 -Yeah, because you're going, "Somebody's here and going up." 966 00:40:14,372 --> 00:40:16,958 -My enter life and career has been dealing with 967 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,501 and working with new artists. 968 00:40:18,543 --> 00:40:22,172 That's what I like. Nobody comes in with an agenda. 969 00:40:22,213 --> 00:40:25,342 These motherfuckers show up on time. Everything. 970 00:40:25,383 --> 00:40:28,803 So and it's a ball of clay when they walk in the room. 971 00:40:28,845 --> 00:40:31,181 You can just form it and do what you want. 972 00:40:31,222 --> 00:40:32,640 That's what I want. 973 00:40:32,682 --> 00:40:35,185 Everybody else, especially my heroes, they're coming in 974 00:40:35,226 --> 00:40:39,647 and there's a set plan as to how the shit should sound. 975 00:40:39,689 --> 00:40:43,276 -Yeah. -I can't explore. 976 00:40:43,318 --> 00:40:45,153 -You can't put together -- -I'm not using that -- 977 00:40:45,195 --> 00:40:46,905 -You're not putting together your puzzle the way that you -- 978 00:40:46,946 --> 00:40:49,616 -Yeah, I guess I'm using that as an excuse. 979 00:40:49,657 --> 00:40:50,992 But I -- -That's not an excuse, 980 00:40:51,034 --> 00:40:53,370 I think you're talking about your workflow 981 00:40:53,411 --> 00:40:55,246 and where the winds that -- -And not only that, 982 00:40:55,288 --> 00:40:58,083 these are my fucking heroes, and I like it from here. 983 00:40:58,124 --> 00:41:01,836 I like the idea of what I grew up listening to, 984 00:41:01,878 --> 00:41:03,296 and I want to keep it like that 985 00:41:03,338 --> 00:41:07,050 and I don't want to fuck up that idea and that look. 986 00:41:07,092 --> 00:41:10,053 I like the way I feel about Stevie, Prince, Michael, 987 00:41:10,095 --> 00:41:14,015 Bruce Springsteen, and all of these amazing artists. 988 00:41:14,057 --> 00:41:15,892 I like the way I feel about them, 989 00:41:15,934 --> 00:41:17,936 and that could change it by working with them. 990 00:41:17,977 --> 00:41:21,064 I don't know. I like it from here. 991 00:41:21,106 --> 00:41:22,899 I don't need that on my resume. 992 00:41:22,941 --> 00:41:25,068 -No, I definitely, clear. 993 00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:26,986 Stop right there though, let's take a quick break. 994 00:41:27,028 --> 00:41:28,780 Guys, we've got more "Hart to Heart" when we get back 995 00:41:28,822 --> 00:41:30,115 after this. It's Dr. Dre. 996 00:41:30,156 --> 00:41:32,075 You don't want to go nowhere. 997 00:41:32,117 --> 00:41:38,748 ** 998 00:41:41,584 --> 00:41:46,589 ** 999 00:41:46,631 --> 00:41:48,800 -Welcome back. This is still "Hart to Heart," 1000 00:41:48,842 --> 00:41:51,344 and Dr. Dre is still across from me. 1001 00:41:51,386 --> 00:41:55,932 Dude, what I like is that at the age 60, 1002 00:41:55,974 --> 00:41:58,977 all jokes aside, you are -- 1003 00:41:59,019 --> 00:42:01,021 you're talking about life now, right? 1004 00:42:01,062 --> 00:42:02,313 And you're like, "Dude, I'm happy." 1005 00:42:02,355 --> 00:42:03,940 That's the first thing. -Yeah. 1006 00:42:03,982 --> 00:42:06,943 -I'm giving my takeaways. "I'm happy, Kev. 1007 00:42:06,985 --> 00:42:09,529 A lot of weights that once were are no longer, 1008 00:42:09,571 --> 00:42:13,158 and I'm in a space of free, and my struggle 1009 00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:15,243 is trying to figure out what to do with that free." 1010 00:42:15,285 --> 00:42:17,996 I listen, I sit and I listen, and you saying, 1011 00:42:18,038 --> 00:42:19,414 "I'm trying to figure out what to do with that free 1012 00:42:19,456 --> 00:42:21,207 and figure out my next version of creative." 1013 00:42:21,249 --> 00:42:22,917 Well, that's basically saying -- -Which is fun. 1014 00:42:22,959 --> 00:42:24,836 The discovery of that. -You're still trying 1015 00:42:24,878 --> 00:42:25,879 to figure out what that next thing is. 1016 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,505 -Yes, but the discovery of that 1017 00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:30,008 and just even thinking about the discovery of that, 1018 00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:31,843 is amazing, it's an amazing feeling. 1019 00:42:31,885 --> 00:42:34,387 -That's the now adventure. -Yes. 1020 00:42:34,429 --> 00:42:36,139 -That's the now adventure. -That's it. 1021 00:42:36,181 --> 00:42:38,641 For the third act of my life, it's like what the -- 1022 00:42:38,683 --> 00:42:44,022 it's just a clear playing field for me to just go. 1023 00:42:44,064 --> 00:42:46,816 -For your 60th birthday, was there a big, like -- 1024 00:42:46,858 --> 00:42:49,110 -I'm not 60 yet, Kev. -When is it? 1025 00:42:49,152 --> 00:42:50,820 -I just turned 58. 1026 00:42:50,862 --> 00:42:52,447 -Just turned 58, so it's kind of -- 1027 00:42:52,489 --> 00:42:54,282 well, basically, you're 60. -Yeah, alright. 1028 00:42:54,324 --> 00:42:56,534 -We can fight it, but you're right here. 1029 00:42:56,576 --> 00:42:58,370 -Alright, I'm knocking on 60's door. 1030 00:42:58,411 --> 00:43:02,624 -You're knocking on 60's door. A big extravaganza, a big event. 1031 00:43:02,665 --> 00:43:04,334 -OK, so what I plan, 1032 00:43:04,376 --> 00:43:06,336 and I've been talking about this since I was 25, 1033 00:43:06,378 --> 00:43:10,256 on my 60th birthday, which is in February 2025. 1034 00:43:10,298 --> 00:43:14,052 -OK. -Right, I'm just going to float 1035 00:43:14,094 --> 00:43:15,679 and travel. 1036 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,390 It's like, I'm divorced now. 1037 00:43:18,431 --> 00:43:21,059 I do want a companion at some point. 1038 00:43:21,101 --> 00:43:22,352 I really do want a companion, 1039 00:43:22,394 --> 00:43:26,106 somebody to share the rest of my life with. 1040 00:43:26,147 --> 00:43:28,191 I'm not sure if it's marriage, 1041 00:43:28,233 --> 00:43:31,236 but I want to have somebody to take care of me, 1042 00:43:31,277 --> 00:43:35,073 somebody that I can spoil and just travel with. 1043 00:43:35,115 --> 00:43:38,743 So, February 2025, what I want to do is just travel 1044 00:43:38,785 --> 00:43:42,372 and just go to a bunch of places I've never been. 1045 00:43:42,414 --> 00:43:43,623 -What you just did just now 1046 00:43:43,665 --> 00:43:48,461 was just get an inbox full of IG models 1047 00:43:48,503 --> 00:43:51,256 about to hit you with 2025, I'm -- 1048 00:43:51,297 --> 00:43:52,924 -What the fuck are you talking about? 1049 00:43:52,966 --> 00:43:55,635 -"I'm free Dre, for the world tour." 1050 00:43:55,677 --> 00:43:58,221 [ Laughter ] 1051 00:43:58,263 --> 00:44:00,265 -No, I'm just speaking my truth. -I love that, man. 1052 00:44:00,306 --> 00:44:02,100 -That's what I want. -That's what I mean. 1053 00:44:02,142 --> 00:44:03,727 Like, people don't get to hear you talk. 1054 00:44:03,768 --> 00:44:06,813 People don't get to -- get to hear this, man. 1055 00:44:06,855 --> 00:44:08,440 At the end of the day, 1056 00:44:08,481 --> 00:44:10,233 a lot of the people that we look up to, 1057 00:44:10,275 --> 00:44:12,861 a lot of the people that we idolize -- 1058 00:44:12,902 --> 00:44:14,904 and by idolize I mean follow, 1059 00:44:14,946 --> 00:44:18,366 that we respect and admire, because of their success. 1060 00:44:18,408 --> 00:44:19,868 -I understand what you're saying. 1061 00:44:19,909 --> 00:44:21,202 -You forget they're human. 1062 00:44:21,244 --> 00:44:22,620 And what I love about "Hart to Heart" 1063 00:44:22,662 --> 00:44:25,331 is that I get to tap into the idea of human. 1064 00:44:25,373 --> 00:44:28,293 I get to tap into the idea of real conversation, 1065 00:44:28,335 --> 00:44:29,961 real questions, real answers. 1066 00:44:30,003 --> 00:44:33,381 And you talking about, "Yo, man, I'm at a point, I just want -- 1067 00:44:33,423 --> 00:44:35,467 I want to do some different shit for me. 1068 00:44:35,508 --> 00:44:37,469 I want to go around the world, 1069 00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:39,137 and I want to do it with somebody." 1070 00:44:39,179 --> 00:44:42,057 That's vulnerability and just being honest and transparent. 1071 00:44:42,098 --> 00:44:43,475 -Yeah. -That's amazing. 1072 00:44:43,516 --> 00:44:47,312 -That's my mission -- finding that person 1073 00:44:47,354 --> 00:44:50,398 that I can laugh and joke with 1074 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,610 and just that camaraderie that I can spoil and take care of, 1075 00:44:53,651 --> 00:44:55,737 and they're nurturing and taking care of me 1076 00:44:55,779 --> 00:44:58,198 and I can just travel with. That's all I want to do. 1077 00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,824 -You said another thing. -As soon as I turn 60, 1078 00:44:59,866 --> 00:45:01,451 that's what I'm going to do. -You said another thing 1079 00:45:01,493 --> 00:45:02,786 that I want to highlight before we go, 1080 00:45:02,827 --> 00:45:05,622 and you said "the third act." 1081 00:45:05,663 --> 00:45:09,959 I've only heard three people in my life break down life in acts. 1082 00:45:10,001 --> 00:45:11,878 And it's so dope when you hear it, 1083 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:17,550 because it really is in line with how your life breaks down. 1084 00:45:17,592 --> 00:45:19,344 From the first act to the second to the third, 1085 00:45:19,386 --> 00:45:21,638 to then what will be considered the fourth. 1086 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,891 And you being in this place of understanding, 1087 00:45:24,933 --> 00:45:29,437 you being in this place of clear where now is free -- 1088 00:45:29,479 --> 00:45:31,147 brother, man, you deserve it. 1089 00:45:31,189 --> 00:45:33,900 -Thank you. -Your life was an open book 1090 00:45:33,942 --> 00:45:36,653 and a place of story, and how the story was told, 1091 00:45:36,695 --> 00:45:40,323 whether the road to the story being told correctly 1092 00:45:40,365 --> 00:45:41,574 was smooth or not -- -No, it's absolutely bumpy. 1093 00:45:41,616 --> 00:45:44,411 -But it was -- it's a story, man, 1094 00:45:44,452 --> 00:45:46,579 of a lot of fucking bumps, 1095 00:45:46,621 --> 00:45:50,166 and ultimately, you needed those bumps, 1096 00:45:50,208 --> 00:45:51,668 because without those bumps, 1097 00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:54,379 you don't have the clarity and understanding -- 1098 00:45:54,421 --> 00:45:56,339 -And get this, I don't know -- 1099 00:45:56,381 --> 00:45:57,924 I don't know if I would change anything 1100 00:45:57,966 --> 00:45:59,884 that happened in my life, including the mistakes. 1101 00:45:59,926 --> 00:46:05,557 I made some fucked up mistakes in my 20s, as most people do. 1102 00:46:05,598 --> 00:46:10,729 But they are all there to turn me into the person that I am. 1103 00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:13,064 And I'm just trying to be a fucking good person 1104 00:46:13,106 --> 00:46:14,733 and move forward and have a blast 1105 00:46:14,774 --> 00:46:17,110 with the rest of my life, bro, that's all it is. 1106 00:46:17,152 --> 00:46:19,529 -You can't do that if you don't get 1107 00:46:19,571 --> 00:46:20,947 to a place of understanding for the mistakes 1108 00:46:20,989 --> 00:46:22,407 that were once made. -Yeah. 1109 00:46:22,449 --> 00:46:25,493 -And if you don't address 1110 00:46:25,535 --> 00:46:26,911 the world of what that is, 1111 00:46:26,953 --> 00:46:28,621 and personally know that you've got to grow 1112 00:46:28,663 --> 00:46:30,707 and move on from that, then you're stuck in that. 1113 00:46:30,749 --> 00:46:32,876 -Yeah. -So, I love the fact, man, 1114 00:46:32,917 --> 00:46:34,461 that you're an example of change, of growth. 1115 00:46:34,502 --> 00:46:36,087 -Thank you. -More importantly, success. 1116 00:46:36,129 --> 00:46:38,506 And Dre, genuinely, man, 1117 00:46:38,548 --> 00:46:39,924 I appreciate you for giving me the opportunity to talk to you. 1118 00:46:39,966 --> 00:46:41,634 -Listen, man, thank you for having me, man. 1119 00:46:41,676 --> 00:46:43,720 Thank you. It takes a lot for me to come outside, 1120 00:46:43,762 --> 00:46:45,263 but I came outside for you, Kev. 1121 00:46:45,305 --> 00:46:46,431 -I appreciate you, man. Genuinely. 1122 00:46:46,473 --> 00:46:47,807 -Yeah. -I mean that. 1123 00:46:47,849 --> 00:46:49,225 Ladies and gentlemen, this is "Hart to Heart," 1124 00:46:49,267 --> 00:46:51,644 and that was the legend himself, Dr. Dre. 1125 00:46:51,686 --> 00:46:53,938 It doesn't get better. Thank you, man. 1126 00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:55,273 -Yeah. -Look at that. 1127 00:46:55,315 --> 00:46:57,442 Easy. I didn't fucking lie to you. 1128 00:46:57,484 --> 00:46:59,652 I told you, no bad business, no bad shit. 1129 00:46:59,694 --> 00:47:01,780 -That was easy, Kev. -It was easy. It was great. 1130 00:47:01,821 --> 00:47:04,032 I'm very happy you came outside. -I am. 1131 00:47:04,074 --> 00:47:05,241 -He's like -- 1132 00:47:05,283 --> 00:47:06,451 [ Laughter ] 1133 00:47:06,493 --> 00:47:08,578 -"I am, Kevin." -[ Laughs ] 1134 00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:12,123 Conan, Les, let's do the big promo thing. 1135 00:47:12,165 --> 00:47:14,376 Then we'll go from there. That's dope.