1 00:00:05,966 --> 00:00:09,052 [Brett] All I care about is you and what's coming for you! 2 00:00:09,136 --> 00:00:11,263 That's all I give a shit about. 3 00:00:15,976 --> 00:00:17,144 [Brett] Two, three, hut! 4 00:00:19,980 --> 00:00:23,734 [Cody] I'm not by nature combative or confrontational. 5 00:00:23,817 --> 00:00:25,527 All part of the journey, man. 6 00:00:28,989 --> 00:00:31,658 [Brett] I've got a lot of frustration built up, man. 7 00:00:31,742 --> 00:00:32,910 So do you, so... 8 00:00:33,827 --> 00:00:36,997 [exhales] I don't know if you let yours out, but I let mine out. 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,500 -Maybe you can punch me, if you like. -[Cody chuckles] 10 00:00:39,583 --> 00:00:41,668 -It's all right. -[Brett] Punch me in the gut. 11 00:00:41,752 --> 00:00:43,879 [Cody] I'm more peaceful 12 00:00:43,962 --> 00:00:48,342 and perform my best when I'm calm and just kind of wanna 13 00:00:48,425 --> 00:00:52,721 self-express rather than dominate or beat somebody, 14 00:00:52,805 --> 00:00:54,181 or this and that. 15 00:00:54,723 --> 00:00:56,099 When I first met Brett, 16 00:00:56,183 --> 00:00:59,353 he was very intent on testing my willingness 17 00:00:59,436 --> 00:01:01,271 to do this for real 18 00:01:01,355 --> 00:01:03,941 and how far he could push me. 19 00:01:04,024 --> 00:01:05,400 [Brett panting] Let's go! 20 00:01:09,154 --> 00:01:11,114 [Brett] This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. 21 00:01:11,198 --> 00:01:14,576 To be an Olympic athlete, this is exactly what it's about. 22 00:01:15,369 --> 00:01:16,703 This stuff right here. 23 00:01:17,287 --> 00:01:19,039 [panting] 24 00:01:23,460 --> 00:01:28,090 Hey, you got a look in your eye there, young man. 25 00:01:28,173 --> 00:01:29,299 That's what I like. 26 00:01:31,260 --> 00:01:33,719 Even if it's hatred towards me, I like it. 27 00:01:33,804 --> 00:01:34,888 [chuckles] 28 00:01:35,681 --> 00:01:38,100 -There's that punch in the gut you wanted. -[chuckles] 29 00:01:40,686 --> 00:01:41,645 [panting] 30 00:01:45,107 --> 00:01:48,193 In my eyes, there's gives and gets with everything. 31 00:01:48,277 --> 00:01:51,780 I'm sacrificing a certain amount of, 32 00:01:51,864 --> 00:01:57,076 you know, years that I could apply to furthering my music career 33 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:00,247 by pursuing a career in swimming, in sport. 34 00:02:00,831 --> 00:02:03,458 But, uh, you know, going the other way, 35 00:02:03,542 --> 00:02:05,961 I may live with the regret of never having tried. 36 00:02:08,838 --> 00:02:12,885 [Hanson] 2021 has thrown up a lot of challenges for all these athletes. 37 00:02:14,553 --> 00:02:17,764 And we've seen Cody, who's training by himself. 38 00:02:17,848 --> 00:02:20,559 He's in LA one day, he's in Orlando the next. 39 00:02:21,685 --> 00:02:25,646 Someone like Bronte Campbell, who swims by herself at Port Macquarie Pool 40 00:02:25,731 --> 00:02:28,734 when she decides to relocate from Sydney to Brisbane, 41 00:02:28,817 --> 00:02:31,653 but she can't get into Brisbane because of COVID. 42 00:02:32,195 --> 00:02:34,656 And Kyle, who's in his group with Marion 43 00:02:34,740 --> 00:02:36,867 at the South Australia Institute of Sport. 44 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:38,493 He's coming off an injury. 45 00:02:38,577 --> 00:02:40,871 He's coming off a checkered four years 46 00:02:40,954 --> 00:02:43,874 with his heart operations, his shoulder operation. 47 00:02:46,501 --> 00:02:50,088 That's what it's all about. You've gotta be able to sacrifice 48 00:02:50,714 --> 00:02:52,049 and adapt. 49 00:02:53,258 --> 00:02:56,803 They're the keys to a COVID preparation for these athletes 50 00:02:56,887 --> 00:02:59,473 getting ready for this year's Tokyo Olympics. 51 00:02:59,556 --> 00:03:00,974 [music playing] 52 00:03:22,579 --> 00:03:25,415 [Peter] All right, just your own stuff for a couple of minutes, 53 00:03:25,499 --> 00:03:26,959 then we'll jump in, eh? 54 00:03:29,044 --> 00:03:32,839 So, bit of group warm-up then we'll split up for the swimming pool. 55 00:03:32,923 --> 00:03:35,717 For the 100 guys, little bit of fast stuff. 56 00:03:36,551 --> 00:03:40,222 [Kyle] This week's been the longest week I've had in such a long time. 57 00:03:40,305 --> 00:03:43,392 Sunday, I trained twice, and normally Sunday's our day off. 58 00:03:43,475 --> 00:03:46,019 [Peter] Here we go. Two, one, up. 59 00:03:48,105 --> 00:03:50,774 [Thorpe] When I was, I think, 13, 60 00:03:50,857 --> 00:03:53,276 training was 10 two-hour sessions, 61 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,071 um, every week in the pool. 62 00:03:56,154 --> 00:03:58,532 And when you get home from swimming training, 63 00:03:58,615 --> 00:04:01,410 when you've basically gone straight from school, um, 64 00:04:01,493 --> 00:04:03,745 you have a meal, and you go to bed. 65 00:04:04,329 --> 00:04:06,665 And for a lot of people, that doesn't sound like 66 00:04:06,748 --> 00:04:09,084 a great kind of existence, 67 00:04:09,167 --> 00:04:12,587 but they're the kind of sacrifices that you choose to make. 68 00:04:13,130 --> 00:04:15,716 All right, timing these four the same. 69 00:04:15,799 --> 00:04:18,175 [Kyle] The hardest thing for me is my brain. 70 00:04:18,259 --> 00:04:19,469 When I'm swimming, 71 00:04:19,553 --> 00:04:22,723 I gotta move my left shoulder, my brain goes, "That'll hurt." 72 00:04:22,806 --> 00:04:25,225 [Peter] We'll get a watch on these four guys. 73 00:04:25,308 --> 00:04:28,562 [Kyle] Now I'm trying to force my way back without being strong enough. 74 00:04:28,645 --> 00:04:30,814 I'm having problems, so I need to strengthen 75 00:04:30,897 --> 00:04:34,151 all the muscles and parts around my shoulder to take the load. 76 00:04:34,234 --> 00:04:35,986 [Peter] Two, one, up! 77 00:04:36,862 --> 00:04:38,905 [Kyle] I pride myself on that hard work, 78 00:04:38,989 --> 00:04:42,409 and when I can't do it, I get stressed massively. 79 00:04:42,492 --> 00:04:43,618 [Peter] Five, six... 80 00:04:44,536 --> 00:04:47,164 What am I gonna do racing-wise in the relay camp? 81 00:04:47,247 --> 00:04:50,542 I don't wanna go too hard 'cause I'll get too excited. 82 00:04:50,625 --> 00:04:51,960 [Peter] It'll be some changeovers. 83 00:04:52,044 --> 00:04:55,505 We'll have to just monitor the changeovers on the Monday. 84 00:04:55,589 --> 00:04:59,134 And one type of activity, and you go into another activity. 85 00:04:59,217 --> 00:05:00,052 Yeah. 86 00:05:00,135 --> 00:05:02,679 So, some will be just doing a changeover, 87 00:05:02,763 --> 00:05:05,682 some will be, uh, different games and stuff. 88 00:05:06,266 --> 00:05:08,518 That'll be a problem though, 'cause I wanna win it. 89 00:05:08,602 --> 00:05:11,938 You know what I mean? I'll most probably just train to... 90 00:05:12,939 --> 00:05:14,983 protect the body for the three weeks. 91 00:05:15,067 --> 00:05:18,945 It's a difficult one when I know how close that relationship is 92 00:05:19,029 --> 00:05:20,697 with Kyle and his coach. Um... 93 00:05:22,449 --> 00:05:25,243 You should listen to your coach 95% of the time. 94 00:05:25,994 --> 00:05:27,329 And I do believe that. 95 00:05:28,121 --> 00:05:30,373 And 5% of the time, it's for you. 96 00:05:30,457 --> 00:05:33,418 You don't have to win it. You know what I mean? 97 00:05:33,502 --> 00:05:36,046 But you might need to participate 98 00:05:36,129 --> 00:05:41,134 and swim at an appropriate level to where your shoulder's at. 99 00:05:41,218 --> 00:05:43,178 -Yeah, that'll be tough. -Yeah. 100 00:05:45,305 --> 00:05:47,557 -Every challenge is. -What's the point? 101 00:05:47,641 --> 00:05:49,101 In swimming to lose? 102 00:05:49,184 --> 00:05:52,437 I'm not saying swim to lose, swim to improve your shoulder. 103 00:05:52,521 --> 00:05:55,899 -Yeah. All right. See you tonight. -See you, big fella. 104 00:05:58,026 --> 00:05:59,069 [James] Hello, Kyle. 105 00:05:59,152 --> 00:06:00,570 Hey, buddy, how are you? 106 00:06:02,072 --> 00:06:04,658 It's good, thanks, pal. How are you? 107 00:06:04,741 --> 00:06:07,869 Um, yeah, I think I'm just a bit fatigued, to be honest. 108 00:06:07,953 --> 00:06:12,207 -Mm-hmm. -This is day number 13 straight, I think. 109 00:06:12,290 --> 00:06:16,837 Talk me through what you're feeling around the front of the shoulder. 110 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,298 It's the top of the shoulder through the AC joint. 111 00:06:20,382 --> 00:06:22,926 The front of the shoulder's settled down. 112 00:06:23,009 --> 00:06:26,096 -The knees are the most problematic. -Tell me about the knees. 113 00:06:26,179 --> 00:06:27,514 Knee's just sore still. 114 00:06:27,597 --> 00:06:29,182 -Worse or same? -Probably worse. 115 00:06:29,266 --> 00:06:31,184 Push your knees back straight for me. 116 00:06:31,268 --> 00:06:33,770 Tighten your quads, Kyle. Hard. What do you feel? 117 00:06:35,230 --> 00:06:39,901 Hmm... Fatigue. Probably a little bit through the left side, I reckon. 118 00:06:41,153 --> 00:06:43,613 We gotta work on your recovery strategies. 119 00:06:43,697 --> 00:06:45,740 -Yeah, I know. -Time. Yeah. 120 00:06:45,824 --> 00:06:50,245 That's the thing with swimming. You don't get recovery in swimming. 121 00:06:50,327 --> 00:06:53,874 Just go through. I once had one day off in 14 days. 122 00:06:53,957 --> 00:06:54,916 [chuckles] 123 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,920 It's good coming back eight weeks post-surgery, and one day off. 124 00:06:59,004 --> 00:07:00,630 One problem is you love it. 125 00:07:00,714 --> 00:07:02,174 -I know. -That's a problem. 126 00:07:02,257 --> 00:07:03,633 Don't wanna miss it. 127 00:07:04,134 --> 00:07:08,263 We probably just need to just ease off a little bit on the accelerator. 128 00:07:08,346 --> 00:07:12,184 Just have a bit of an 80, 90% week, 129 00:07:12,267 --> 00:07:14,269 then wriggle up again from there, 130 00:07:14,352 --> 00:07:16,479 as opposed to a full-on. 131 00:07:17,063 --> 00:07:21,985 So, for me, even I'm realizing now, with my old age, 132 00:07:22,485 --> 00:07:26,072 that I have to be a bit smarter and wiser with things. 133 00:07:26,156 --> 00:07:27,490 You need the recovery. 134 00:07:27,574 --> 00:07:31,077 Like, you plug your phone charger in, you recharge it. 135 00:07:31,161 --> 00:07:33,371 We need to plug you in, recharge you. 136 00:07:34,539 --> 00:07:36,249 I said to Bish this morning, 137 00:07:36,333 --> 00:07:38,752 I don't go in there to lose training sessions. 138 00:07:38,835 --> 00:07:41,504 I race from the warm-up, until the cool down. 139 00:07:41,588 --> 00:07:44,966 It's like a mental game to win everything. 140 00:07:45,050 --> 00:07:47,260 Given there's no medals on the end of this, 141 00:07:47,344 --> 00:07:49,137 we might just need to reframe. 142 00:07:49,221 --> 00:07:51,973 That's where your sports psych will come in 143 00:07:52,057 --> 00:07:54,100 and help you with the reframing. 144 00:07:54,684 --> 00:07:58,563 But if I'm standing right on the box with a racing suit on, 145 00:07:58,647 --> 00:08:00,357 I'm not not trying. 146 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,028 I'm not losing against the guys I have to race in six months to get on the team. 147 00:08:05,111 --> 00:08:06,363 I understand that. 148 00:08:06,446 --> 00:08:11,159 But keep in mind, there's a time and a place for that, 149 00:08:11,243 --> 00:08:13,495 and it doesn't have to be every session. 150 00:08:13,578 --> 00:08:16,373 Rewiring the brain, it's a tough one. 151 00:08:23,421 --> 00:08:27,467 [Bronte] I still find it weird when kids come up to me, and they're like, 152 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:30,595 "Me and my sister wanna be like you. We're sisters too." 153 00:08:30,679 --> 00:08:31,888 -Morning. -Morning. 154 00:08:31,972 --> 00:08:33,472 How are we? Good? 155 00:08:33,556 --> 00:08:35,183 -Yep. -Good. 156 00:08:35,267 --> 00:08:37,185 [Bronte] I'm like, "That's really sweet." 157 00:08:37,269 --> 00:08:38,979 Or when kids start crying, 158 00:08:39,062 --> 00:08:42,440 you're like, "Relax! Breathe, it's fine. It's just me." 159 00:08:42,524 --> 00:08:45,527 I'm still the 7-year-old that used to look up to others. 160 00:08:45,610 --> 00:08:47,028 That's still me as well. 161 00:08:47,112 --> 00:08:48,280 [indistinct chatter] 162 00:08:48,363 --> 00:08:50,865 So, I just think back to when I was a kid. 163 00:08:50,949 --> 00:08:53,201 I wanted to do seven sessions a week. 164 00:08:53,285 --> 00:08:54,619 My parents were like, 165 00:08:54,703 --> 00:08:57,205 "This is not happening, you're seven." [chuckles] 166 00:08:57,289 --> 00:09:00,792 Like, chill out. There are no seven-year-old Olympians. 167 00:09:00,875 --> 00:09:03,253 Just, like, take a step back. 168 00:09:03,336 --> 00:09:05,255 Like, cool off. 169 00:09:05,338 --> 00:09:07,716 I trained in a 25-meter pool... 170 00:09:08,508 --> 00:09:09,634 [indistinct] 171 00:09:09,718 --> 00:09:13,680 ...from when I was seven until I went to my first Olympics. 172 00:09:13,763 --> 00:09:14,889 Like, I did that. 173 00:09:15,932 --> 00:09:20,186 In Malawi, um, my grandma used to teach the local kids in her backyard pool. 174 00:09:20,270 --> 00:09:22,939 Mum used to teach us in our backyard pool. 175 00:09:23,023 --> 00:09:28,320 Now, look, it probably wasn't huge, but I was little, so it seemed huge. 176 00:09:28,403 --> 00:09:32,198 It had this scary deep end and a big wall you could jump off, 177 00:09:32,282 --> 00:09:35,952 which I was the youngest one in my family to jump off the wall. 178 00:09:36,036 --> 00:09:38,204 I'm still very proud about that one. 179 00:09:38,955 --> 00:09:40,749 And we had the lake in Malawi. 180 00:09:40,832 --> 00:09:42,625 They call it the Calendar Lake 181 00:09:42,708 --> 00:09:45,754 'cause it's 52 miles across and 365 miles long. 182 00:09:45,837 --> 00:09:48,548 So, it's huge. I used to love going down there. 183 00:09:48,631 --> 00:09:50,383 It's got the beach, you swim. 184 00:09:50,467 --> 00:09:52,177 I was always scared of the hippo. 185 00:09:52,260 --> 00:09:54,721 There was a hippo that used to hang out. 186 00:09:54,804 --> 00:09:57,891 There's freshwater crocodiles in there as well and stuff, 187 00:09:57,974 --> 00:10:01,770 but it was the hippos that we were always really scared of. 188 00:10:01,853 --> 00:10:04,773 It's always just been a part of fun and play 189 00:10:04,856 --> 00:10:07,942 and handed down through the women in our family. 190 00:10:08,026 --> 00:10:10,904 This love of the water, and onto me. 191 00:10:11,696 --> 00:10:13,615 [Bronte] This is one of my favorite drills. 192 00:10:13,698 --> 00:10:16,326 Before Olympic Games, everything. I always do this. 193 00:10:16,409 --> 00:10:20,747 You go 12 kicks and then one stroke as powerful as you can make it. 194 00:10:20,830 --> 00:10:24,000 Twelve kicks and then two strokes really powerful. 195 00:10:24,084 --> 00:10:27,212 They're quite fast strokes, but still trying to keep power, 196 00:10:27,295 --> 00:10:31,091 so not just ripping through the water, then 12 kicks, three strokes. 197 00:10:32,342 --> 00:10:35,220 [Bronte] You can't push 'em to do it. They've gotta wanna do it. 198 00:10:36,304 --> 00:10:39,182 But apart from that, I mean, I hope... 199 00:10:39,682 --> 00:10:42,143 I hope I pass on that love of the water 200 00:10:42,227 --> 00:10:44,521 and the freedom you feel in the water, 201 00:10:44,604 --> 00:10:48,233 which my grandma gave to my mum, my mum gave it to me, 202 00:10:48,316 --> 00:10:50,527 so, I would hope to pass that on. 203 00:10:50,610 --> 00:10:53,238 Probably the biggest thing with the turn is, 204 00:10:53,321 --> 00:10:56,866 as you're going into your last stroke, it finishes into your turn. 205 00:10:57,450 --> 00:11:01,121 I try and get my wall time between .18 and .22. 206 00:11:01,204 --> 00:11:03,706 My races are won by hundredths of a second. 207 00:11:03,790 --> 00:11:06,084 So, if I'm spending .25 on the wall 208 00:11:06,167 --> 00:11:10,505 and I don't win my race by .03, that's because of that turn. 209 00:11:10,588 --> 00:11:13,341 I'm aware that there are young kids watching. 210 00:11:13,425 --> 00:11:15,343 I don't wanna stand up and say, 211 00:11:15,427 --> 00:11:19,097 "If you miss out by 5/100ths of a second and being on the podium, 212 00:11:19,180 --> 00:11:23,101 "you're not good enough and you should be really upset with that. 213 00:11:23,184 --> 00:11:26,229 "Despite all the effort that you've put in." 214 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,858 I am proud of how I performed in Rio. 215 00:11:29,941 --> 00:11:32,402 I stressed that point in the media so hard 216 00:11:32,485 --> 00:11:35,613 because it's not the narrative you're supposed to say. 217 00:11:35,697 --> 00:11:37,490 When you don't win a medal, 218 00:11:37,574 --> 00:11:40,410 you're not supposed to say that you're happy. 219 00:11:40,493 --> 00:11:43,913 You're supposed to be devastated, and everyone else is... 220 00:11:43,997 --> 00:11:47,292 Because everyone else is, and that's fine, 221 00:11:47,375 --> 00:11:49,502 everyone else wanted you to win, 222 00:11:49,586 --> 00:11:51,671 but not as much as you did. 223 00:11:51,754 --> 00:11:54,424 Did you ever lose motivation? 224 00:11:54,507 --> 00:11:59,971 Um, the biggest thing with motivation for me has been injuries. 225 00:12:00,054 --> 00:12:02,390 So, I injured my hip. 226 00:12:02,474 --> 00:12:05,894 I had hip surgery way back when I was 15, um, 227 00:12:06,394 --> 00:12:09,439 and then injured my shoulder in 2016. 228 00:12:09,522 --> 00:12:11,691 I decided, as soon as I finished Comm Games, 229 00:12:11,774 --> 00:12:15,445 doesn't matter what happened, I was taking three months off. 230 00:12:15,528 --> 00:12:18,907 I finished Comm Games. I swam the fastest that I'd ever swum. 231 00:12:18,990 --> 00:12:21,409 My lead in was probably the best I'd ever had. 232 00:12:21,493 --> 00:12:25,121 And a lot of it was because I'd given myself an end date. 233 00:12:25,205 --> 00:12:27,499 I was, like, "You're in pain now, 234 00:12:27,582 --> 00:12:30,919 "but in two months' time, you can stop and have a rest, 235 00:12:31,002 --> 00:12:33,505 "and your mind and your body can recover." 236 00:12:33,588 --> 00:12:36,925 What I'm saying is, when your motivation goes really low, 237 00:12:37,008 --> 00:12:40,345 to the point where I was, you've gotta change something. 238 00:12:40,887 --> 00:12:42,180 [Bronte] Swimming's so brutal. 239 00:12:42,263 --> 00:12:46,768 You just can't hang all your happiness for a meet on the result. 240 00:12:46,851 --> 00:12:49,854 There's got to be more to it. Be there for something else. 241 00:12:53,650 --> 00:12:57,779 [Hanson] The fact that Ian Thorpe wants to use his name 242 00:12:57,862 --> 00:13:00,782 for the betterment of all the platforms he works with, 243 00:13:00,865 --> 00:13:02,033 it's credit to him. 244 00:13:02,116 --> 00:13:04,744 He'll wanna leave a legacy in the pool, 245 00:13:04,827 --> 00:13:08,373 and he will do in general life as well, and that's wonderful. 246 00:13:10,250 --> 00:13:13,336 [Thorpe] I'm meeting Anna Brown. She works for Equality Australia. 247 00:13:13,419 --> 00:13:15,755 I worked with her on Marriage Equality, 248 00:13:15,838 --> 00:13:20,260 but I've continued working with her on some of the issues that face, 249 00:13:20,343 --> 00:13:23,930 um, all the entire LGBTIQ community. 250 00:13:24,013 --> 00:13:26,266 One of the things that is coming up 251 00:13:26,349 --> 00:13:29,477 is actually about the Religious Discrimination Bill. 252 00:13:30,562 --> 00:13:34,148 So, um, thank you so much for helping out. 253 00:13:34,232 --> 00:13:35,984 This is going to take a fight. 254 00:13:36,067 --> 00:13:38,194 We really need to gear up. 255 00:13:38,278 --> 00:13:41,197 We need to be in Canberra every week that we can 256 00:13:41,281 --> 00:13:44,576 to make sure they know that the community won't stand for this. 257 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:49,872 Our strategy is still to build awareness about the damage the bill has caused. 258 00:13:49,956 --> 00:13:51,958 As soon as you say to people, 259 00:13:52,041 --> 00:13:54,877 "Your tax payer dollars is funding discrimination 260 00:13:54,961 --> 00:13:58,464 "against LGBTIQ people, and women, and unmarried people, 261 00:13:58,548 --> 00:14:01,175 "and potentially people with disabilities," 262 00:14:01,259 --> 00:14:02,468 they get very upset. 263 00:14:02,552 --> 00:14:04,637 Yep. Good. Let's make 'em upset. 264 00:14:04,721 --> 00:14:06,889 [chuckling] Yeah, that's the point. 265 00:14:07,390 --> 00:14:10,476 When I did accomplish the things that I have in sport, um, 266 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:12,729 it was about the performance in sport. 267 00:14:12,812 --> 00:14:15,732 I wasn't thinking of what would continue on from there, 268 00:14:15,815 --> 00:14:18,318 and what influence and what impact it may have. 269 00:14:18,901 --> 00:14:21,529 Yeah, it may be a wasted opportunity, um, 270 00:14:21,613 --> 00:14:25,867 [stutters] if you don't use a profile when you see injustice, 271 00:14:26,743 --> 00:14:28,911 and you can be the person that stands up 272 00:14:28,995 --> 00:14:31,331 and be accountable to see that change. 273 00:14:37,211 --> 00:14:39,881 [Thorpe] The reason I guess I hadn't come out was, 274 00:14:39,964 --> 00:14:42,258 I was asked about it when I was a teenager, 275 00:14:42,342 --> 00:14:44,802 when I was 16, by a journalist, 276 00:14:44,886 --> 00:14:49,140 and then, for years, I was being accused of being gay, 277 00:14:49,223 --> 00:14:53,519 or it was rumored that I was gay, or something like that. 278 00:14:53,603 --> 00:14:57,982 So, it had always taken what was probably a negative tone. 279 00:14:58,066 --> 00:14:59,984 And so, I didn't wanna come out. 280 00:15:00,068 --> 00:15:05,907 Um, I wanted to get on with what I enjoyed doing and playing sport. 281 00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:09,952 Like, it wasn't such a big deal for me at that time. 282 00:15:10,536 --> 00:15:15,458 I decided that, once I told my family, that was the hardest thing for me to do, 283 00:15:15,541 --> 00:15:18,252 then coming out to other people was fine. 284 00:15:18,336 --> 00:15:21,214 Um, I decided I already had an interview 285 00:15:21,297 --> 00:15:24,384 that I had to do with Michael Parkinson about something else, 286 00:15:24,467 --> 00:15:28,971 and so, I just told him, "By the way, you should ask me if I'm gay, 287 00:15:29,055 --> 00:15:31,391 "because I'm gonna tell you that I am." 288 00:15:31,974 --> 00:15:34,394 You've always said that you're not gay. 289 00:15:35,186 --> 00:15:39,148 Uh, you've said that your sexual experiences have been with women. 290 00:15:39,232 --> 00:15:40,775 Is all of that true? 291 00:15:40,858 --> 00:15:44,654 Well, that's true, but, um... 292 00:15:45,655 --> 00:15:48,700 You know, I've thought about this for a long time. 293 00:15:48,783 --> 00:15:50,159 I'll bet. Yeah. 294 00:15:50,243 --> 00:15:52,161 I'm not straight. 295 00:15:52,245 --> 00:15:53,079 You're not. 296 00:15:55,998 --> 00:15:58,960 [Thorpe] I'm comfortable with people saying whatever they want. 297 00:15:59,043 --> 00:16:00,837 Not that I think it's okay, 298 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:06,300 it's just I deal with it and move on with my life. 299 00:16:08,636 --> 00:16:12,348 I may have struggled coming out, but I don't struggle being out. 300 00:16:14,225 --> 00:16:16,936 I needed to get away 'cause I'm writing a book, 301 00:16:17,019 --> 00:16:20,314 and wanted somewhere inspirational to do it, 302 00:16:20,398 --> 00:16:21,566 to get on with it. 303 00:16:21,649 --> 00:16:23,109 I finished most of it, 304 00:16:23,192 --> 00:16:26,320 because I'm behind where I'd like to be at this stage. 305 00:16:27,447 --> 00:16:30,950 The book itself is called, Had I Said Yes. 306 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:34,203 It's a sliding doors moment when I get asked by a journalist, 307 00:16:34,287 --> 00:16:36,497 um, when I'm 16, if I'm gay, 308 00:16:36,581 --> 00:16:38,833 and what would have happened if I said yes, 309 00:16:38,916 --> 00:16:42,003 and how my life probably would have looked different. 310 00:16:44,464 --> 00:16:48,134 And I know the research on what it was like during those times. 311 00:16:48,217 --> 00:16:51,179 I wouldn't be able to compete in certain countries. 312 00:16:51,262 --> 00:16:53,848 Things like that are pretty messed up. 313 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,479 Perhaps being out has made my mental health journey 314 00:16:59,562 --> 00:17:00,813 a little bit easier. 315 00:17:00,897 --> 00:17:04,150 I don't wanna change any part of my history, 316 00:17:04,233 --> 00:17:07,152 but I do want people to understand the challenges, 317 00:17:07,236 --> 00:17:10,323 because there will be challenges for others in the future. 318 00:17:11,616 --> 00:17:13,785 [Hanson] No one gives you a book these days 319 00:17:13,868 --> 00:17:17,330 on how to manage being a superstar as a teenage idol. 320 00:17:17,412 --> 00:17:21,208 Towards the end of that, I think he took a lot of it into himself 321 00:17:21,292 --> 00:17:24,337 and needed to talk to people about being Ian Thorpe 322 00:17:24,420 --> 00:17:27,089 and being the Olympic legend that he became. 323 00:17:27,173 --> 00:17:28,966 That's hard. That's tough. 324 00:17:29,550 --> 00:17:34,013 Everyone who's made the top grade in swimming has gotta manage it. 325 00:17:34,096 --> 00:17:35,056 It's not new. 326 00:17:35,139 --> 00:17:37,767 I've seen some changes in Kyle Chalmers in this area. 327 00:17:37,850 --> 00:17:40,686 "How do I handle being the Olympic champion, 328 00:17:40,770 --> 00:17:45,525 "when everyone refers to me in the newspapers, on the TV, 329 00:17:45,608 --> 00:17:48,820 [repeating] "Olympic champion?" 330 00:17:48,903 --> 00:17:50,571 He's just a boy. 331 00:17:51,155 --> 00:17:52,240 Hey. 332 00:17:52,907 --> 00:17:55,034 -[Dr. John] How's it going? -Good, how are you? 333 00:17:56,077 --> 00:17:57,411 Well, thank you. 334 00:17:58,788 --> 00:18:00,748 So, you're still in lockdown? 335 00:18:00,832 --> 00:18:04,961 Yeah, it was supposed to end this month 336 00:18:05,044 --> 00:18:09,048 and now surgical masks are not sufficient. 337 00:18:09,131 --> 00:18:11,050 Yeah. Yeah, right. 338 00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:14,136 I think, where we left off, we were on about page 50. 339 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:17,431 [Kyle] I met Dr. Null when I was in Berlin in 2015. 340 00:18:17,515 --> 00:18:20,893 He's a very knowledgeable guy who works as a counsellor 341 00:18:20,977 --> 00:18:22,395 on the US Olympic team. 342 00:18:22,478 --> 00:18:24,689 So, that's where we're starting from. 343 00:18:24,772 --> 00:18:28,401 Getting on Zoom with him is one of the most important hours of my week. 344 00:18:28,484 --> 00:18:30,111 "In order to make myself clear, 345 00:18:30,194 --> 00:18:33,322 "I am forced to fall back on personal experience." 346 00:18:33,406 --> 00:18:35,992 [Kyle] We read this book called Man's Search for Meaning, 347 00:18:36,075 --> 00:18:39,495 and I think there's so many great passages in this book 348 00:18:39,579 --> 00:18:41,414 that you can take a lot from. 349 00:18:42,123 --> 00:18:44,709 [Dr. John] "I did not know whether my wife was alive, 350 00:18:45,293 --> 00:18:47,837 "and I had no means of finding out. 351 00:18:48,421 --> 00:18:50,548 "But at that moment, it ceased to matter. 352 00:18:51,716 --> 00:18:53,885 "There was no need for me to know. 353 00:18:54,635 --> 00:18:58,139 "Nothing could touch the strength of my love, my thoughts 354 00:18:58,222 --> 00:19:00,433 "and the image of my beloved." 355 00:19:01,475 --> 00:19:05,313 How does that relate to the world of elite sports? 356 00:19:06,564 --> 00:19:11,277 Well, I guess it goes back to defining yourself by your relationships 357 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:13,988 and not defining yourself by your achievements. 358 00:19:14,488 --> 00:19:15,323 [Dr. John] Indeed. 359 00:19:15,406 --> 00:19:18,242 What do you think as you look over the next six months? 360 00:19:18,326 --> 00:19:20,244 As the big event comes up, 361 00:19:20,328 --> 00:19:25,249 what will be the forces trying to dehumanize you, 362 00:19:25,958 --> 00:19:29,128 um, as the pressures mount? 363 00:19:29,879 --> 00:19:33,674 Um, media, sponsorship... 364 00:19:35,593 --> 00:19:37,178 I guess, all the pressure, 365 00:19:37,261 --> 00:19:41,015 that everyone wants something, everyone wants a piece of me, 366 00:19:41,098 --> 00:19:43,601 so it becomes stressful and hard the most. 367 00:19:43,684 --> 00:19:46,145 [Dr. John] And without even people realizing it, 368 00:19:46,646 --> 00:19:50,066 it can make you a piece of merchandise. Right? 369 00:19:50,149 --> 00:19:52,485 -Exactly. Massively. -A commodity. 370 00:19:52,568 --> 00:19:55,112 Yeah. For sure. A number. 371 00:19:56,072 --> 00:19:57,406 You're given a number. 372 00:19:57,490 --> 00:20:00,034 So, I'm number 761 to represent Australia. 373 00:20:00,117 --> 00:20:04,288 And then it's like, how much money can number 761 generate 374 00:20:04,372 --> 00:20:06,540 for our company and income? 375 00:20:06,624 --> 00:20:08,834 So, you lose your identity a little bit. 376 00:20:08,918 --> 00:20:11,003 It's the same with lots of things. 377 00:20:11,087 --> 00:20:14,298 People don't necessarily care about you as a person 378 00:20:14,382 --> 00:20:17,593 They see you as that athlete. If you're not doing well, 379 00:20:17,677 --> 00:20:21,347 they're done with you and don't wanna find out what's wrong. 380 00:20:21,931 --> 00:20:24,141 [Dr. John] How do you handle that? 381 00:20:26,185 --> 00:20:27,269 Um... 382 00:20:27,353 --> 00:20:31,273 Knowing who your real friends are and who you can have in your life 383 00:20:31,357 --> 00:20:34,110 that you trust and are happy spending time with. 384 00:20:34,193 --> 00:20:36,529 They're gonna be there, no matter what. 385 00:20:36,612 --> 00:20:38,656 It's definitely still a challenge. 386 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,284 [Thorpe] I made a point that I would be in contact with Kyle, 387 00:20:42,368 --> 00:20:45,454 knowing what he was going to be facing. 388 00:20:45,538 --> 00:20:49,750 Even the level of expectation that would be around his performances, 389 00:20:49,834 --> 00:20:52,753 and then, sometimes, just to be there as a mate, 390 00:20:52,837 --> 00:20:56,007 uh, that he knows has gone through something similar. 391 00:20:56,632 --> 00:21:00,302 [Dr. John] There will come a day, may it be far away, 392 00:21:00,386 --> 00:21:02,805 but there will come a day when you will not be 393 00:21:02,888 --> 00:21:06,809 the current Olympic champion in your field, right? 394 00:21:06,892 --> 00:21:09,103 [chuckles] Let's hope it's a long way away. 395 00:21:09,729 --> 00:21:11,313 -Indeed. Indeed. -Yeah. 396 00:21:11,397 --> 00:21:16,152 But age will come to you too, right? 397 00:21:16,235 --> 00:21:17,737 Yeah, for sure. 398 00:21:27,997 --> 00:21:29,331 [indistinct chatter] 399 00:21:29,415 --> 00:21:32,209 Other than that, she's not getting in the weight stuff. 400 00:21:33,169 --> 00:21:34,920 As far as Cody's concerned, 401 00:21:36,338 --> 00:21:39,508 he's gotta get through the heats in the 100 butterfly, 402 00:21:39,592 --> 00:21:40,885 that's his Olympic event. 403 00:21:40,968 --> 00:21:44,472 He's gotta go top 16, and then he's gotta improve again. 404 00:21:44,555 --> 00:21:48,309 Probably gotta go past four athletes to go top eight. 405 00:21:48,392 --> 00:21:53,189 Cody's gotta go 26.2, 26.8. 406 00:21:53,272 --> 00:21:56,025 [Brett] Hop in the pool. Let's get splashed. Let's get ready. 407 00:21:58,069 --> 00:22:01,864 We're gonna see what we're made of now. 408 00:22:06,660 --> 00:22:10,081 [Brett] One of the things that we talked about in this process is, 409 00:22:10,164 --> 00:22:11,624 we don't know his limit. 410 00:22:11,707 --> 00:22:13,584 Everyone he's competing against 411 00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:15,961 has experienced their limits to some degree. 412 00:22:16,629 --> 00:22:19,715 And we're just finding out what his limits are. 413 00:22:20,508 --> 00:22:24,095 Cody, you're 6.2, 6.8, so you're, like, 3/10ths off. 414 00:22:24,178 --> 00:22:27,681 It's not much. Like we talked about, those little details. 415 00:22:27,765 --> 00:22:31,435 You'll get it on the next one. Drink some water and then reset. 416 00:22:37,942 --> 00:22:39,527 6.8! 6.8! 417 00:22:40,069 --> 00:22:42,488 All right, Codes, here we go again, 20 seconds. 418 00:22:51,413 --> 00:22:54,458 Oh, yes, 26.85. There we go. 419 00:22:54,542 --> 00:22:56,418 That's a legit pace. 420 00:22:57,086 --> 00:22:59,255 He's swimming at the pace he needs to be at 421 00:22:59,338 --> 00:23:01,757 to be a top eight in Australia right now. 422 00:23:01,841 --> 00:23:04,051 Five times in a row, so... 423 00:23:04,677 --> 00:23:06,095 He's right there. 424 00:23:06,178 --> 00:23:07,304 Good job. 425 00:23:07,388 --> 00:23:09,807 [Cody] This has been a real journey, the last two weeks. 426 00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:12,059 We've trained day in and day out. 427 00:23:12,143 --> 00:23:15,229 Now I get a chance to see whether it's been worth it. 428 00:23:16,021 --> 00:23:19,233 It would be nice to get to trials and be competitive. 429 00:23:19,316 --> 00:23:22,153 It would make things fun and interesting. 430 00:23:23,362 --> 00:23:27,700 Everything you've done has suggested that you are going to do it. 431 00:23:27,783 --> 00:23:29,285 -Right. Yeah. -You know? 432 00:23:29,368 --> 00:23:30,828 There's no question. 433 00:23:31,829 --> 00:23:34,456 Now it's just a matter of going and doing it. 434 00:23:35,708 --> 00:23:37,835 [Cody] I need to break 54 seconds. 435 00:23:43,966 --> 00:23:45,968 -We'll make bad choices. -[chuckles] 436 00:23:46,802 --> 00:23:48,721 That's cool. 437 00:23:48,804 --> 00:23:50,931 -Oh, no, what's this? -Here we go. 438 00:23:51,807 --> 00:23:53,434 -Ooh. -What number are we? 439 00:23:53,517 --> 00:23:55,561 [man] You should never have given these to me. 440 00:23:55,644 --> 00:23:56,687 [Brett] What's this? 441 00:23:57,521 --> 00:24:00,274 [Cody] This is the Queensland Championships. 442 00:24:00,816 --> 00:24:03,235 I'm probably 11 or 12 there. 443 00:24:03,861 --> 00:24:05,362 [Cody's girlfriend] Look at your little arms. 444 00:24:05,446 --> 00:24:07,489 [man] You were never the biggest bloke. 445 00:24:07,573 --> 00:24:11,285 [Cody] Look at the guy next to me, he's at least 10 centimeters taller. 446 00:24:11,368 --> 00:24:13,704 That guy looks like a monster compared to you. 447 00:24:13,787 --> 00:24:15,122 -Huge man. -[Cody's girlfriend] Yeah. 448 00:24:15,206 --> 00:24:16,999 [Cody] I was always small for my age. 449 00:24:18,083 --> 00:24:20,586 I hadn't seen any footage of my races 450 00:24:20,669 --> 00:24:23,380 from when I was young since I did them. 451 00:24:23,464 --> 00:24:28,052 Um, Mum just had had 'em stored on, like, CDs or VHS, 452 00:24:28,135 --> 00:24:31,347 or whatever the hell she was putting them on back then. 453 00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:34,183 -[Cody] I'm hurting. -[man] That's a very efficient kick. 454 00:24:34,266 --> 00:24:37,937 [stutters] I always had this big up-kick. 455 00:24:38,604 --> 00:24:40,397 It's nice when I don't breathe. 456 00:24:40,481 --> 00:24:43,108 When I breathe, I lift my head way too high. 457 00:24:43,192 --> 00:24:44,985 I wish Brett didn't see this. 458 00:24:45,069 --> 00:24:46,570 [Cody's girlfriend] You were way ahead. 459 00:24:46,654 --> 00:24:48,781 [Cody] Yeah. This is like school day. 460 00:24:48,864 --> 00:24:51,742 This is how most of my butterfly events went. 461 00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:53,786 -[Cody's girlfriend] No way. -When I was growing up. 462 00:24:54,161 --> 00:24:56,622 [Cody] I don't know how I did it, but I was tiny. 463 00:24:56,705 --> 00:24:57,623 [whistling] 464 00:24:57,706 --> 00:25:00,793 -[Brett] You didn't celebrate? -[Cody] No, I never claimed. 465 00:25:00,876 --> 00:25:01,877 [Brett] Really? 466 00:25:01,961 --> 00:25:03,462 I gotta practice celebrating. 467 00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:04,964 -Yeah. -You do. 468 00:25:05,589 --> 00:25:08,092 I was dissecting those races a little bit. 469 00:25:08,175 --> 00:25:11,136 I do a lot of the same things now that I did then. 470 00:25:11,220 --> 00:25:13,514 It's funny, I feel like, as we grow older, 471 00:25:13,597 --> 00:25:17,601 we're then set back on this path to just reclaiming 472 00:25:17,685 --> 00:25:23,357 the free, innocent person we were 473 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,609 before life happened to us. 474 00:25:25,693 --> 00:25:27,945 And so, there, I was just swimming, 475 00:25:28,028 --> 00:25:29,822 I wasn't thinking about it at all. 476 00:25:29,905 --> 00:25:32,116 Now I swim and think so much. 477 00:25:32,199 --> 00:25:35,786 And so, looking back at a race that I did when I was 12, 478 00:25:35,869 --> 00:25:37,579 I learned so much from myself. 479 00:25:37,663 --> 00:25:41,417 And now I'm doing these time trials and just thinking so much, 480 00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:46,380 wishing that I was as free as I was back then. 481 00:25:47,298 --> 00:25:50,884 [Thorpe] With Cody, it's seeing how much of the skill that he had 482 00:25:50,968 --> 00:25:52,803 when he was a young swimmer, 483 00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:55,472 virtually a child, just in his early teens. 484 00:25:55,556 --> 00:26:00,185 Um, how much of that talent, um, will actually carry over 485 00:26:00,269 --> 00:26:02,229 into what he can do as an adult? 486 00:26:02,855 --> 00:26:06,150 And even being able to see his improvements 487 00:26:06,233 --> 00:26:09,153 and some of them, how quickly he's making them, 488 00:26:09,236 --> 00:26:11,697 um, is really encouraging. 489 00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:15,451 But he needs some experience racing against the rest of the world now. 490 00:26:21,123 --> 00:26:24,543 [crew member] Do you guys mind if we take a video of you doing a photo? 491 00:26:24,626 --> 00:26:26,253 -Yeah. -Okay, sweet. 492 00:26:26,337 --> 00:26:27,921 One, two, three. Smile. 493 00:26:30,341 --> 00:26:32,426 [Bronte] There's a huge debate that goes on. 494 00:26:32,509 --> 00:26:34,803 Should sports people have to be role models? 495 00:26:34,887 --> 00:26:38,932 Whether or not you think they should, at the end of the day, you are. 496 00:26:39,016 --> 00:26:41,435 -[girls] Thank you. -You're welcome. 497 00:26:42,186 --> 00:26:44,104 It's like living in a goldfish bowl 498 00:26:44,188 --> 00:26:47,733 and everyone's staring at the bowl and looking at everything. 499 00:26:47,816 --> 00:26:50,486 They don't really see you as a person anymore. 500 00:26:50,569 --> 00:26:52,029 That's just an athlete. 501 00:26:52,112 --> 00:26:53,739 -Is it good? -Yeah. 502 00:26:55,074 --> 00:26:57,159 Oh, yeah. We do look good. 503 00:26:57,242 --> 00:26:58,744 [laughing] 504 00:26:58,827 --> 00:26:59,703 Thank you. 505 00:26:59,787 --> 00:27:01,330 -You're welcome. -Thank you. 506 00:27:01,413 --> 00:27:02,790 -Bye. -Bye. 507 00:27:04,083 --> 00:27:06,627 [Bronte] I would like athletes to be seen as people 508 00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:09,505 who are trying really hard to do something. 509 00:27:09,588 --> 00:27:13,258 Especially Olympic athletes who don't earn a lot of money. 510 00:27:13,342 --> 00:27:15,844 They're doing it for the love of the sport, 511 00:27:15,928 --> 00:27:18,722 and they train so hard and do so much work. 512 00:27:18,806 --> 00:27:20,933 It's not so that you can turn around 513 00:27:21,016 --> 00:27:23,435 and be excited or disappointed in them. 514 00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:28,148 It's so that they can achieve something for them, their family, their country. 515 00:27:34,321 --> 00:27:37,241 Hello! Peter. 516 00:27:37,324 --> 00:27:39,576 [indistinct chatter] 517 00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:41,203 Oh, my God, Butsy? 518 00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:45,499 I thought you were in Bali. 519 00:27:46,166 --> 00:27:47,668 Good to see you, Butsy. 520 00:27:48,293 --> 00:27:49,628 Welcome home. 521 00:27:49,711 --> 00:27:50,963 Oh, he's gone. 522 00:27:52,548 --> 00:27:53,507 Hello, my love. 523 00:27:54,383 --> 00:27:55,217 [indistinct] 524 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:57,219 -How you doing? -Beautiful light there. 525 00:27:57,302 --> 00:28:01,640 It's, like, my last training day here and then I go to Brisbane. 526 00:28:02,975 --> 00:28:03,809 For real? 527 00:28:03,892 --> 00:28:05,144 It's weird, eh? 528 00:28:05,978 --> 00:28:07,104 Okay, be careful. 529 00:28:07,187 --> 00:28:09,648 Look at that. It's good. 530 00:28:10,232 --> 00:28:11,358 It's good. 531 00:28:12,151 --> 00:28:13,235 [Benfield] Gorgeous. 532 00:28:13,735 --> 00:28:15,404 Did you go for a swim today? 533 00:28:15,487 --> 00:28:19,199 Yeah, we went down about 10:30, 11:00. 534 00:28:19,283 --> 00:28:20,951 We went for a swim... 535 00:28:21,785 --> 00:28:22,995 How's the water? 536 00:28:23,495 --> 00:28:27,166 Tim and Charlton were running down with their surfboards, 537 00:28:27,249 --> 00:28:29,376 and so, I jumped in to swim 538 00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:32,379 and I caught a couple of waves on my board as well. 539 00:28:32,463 --> 00:28:33,380 Yeah, great. 540 00:28:33,881 --> 00:28:36,216 You'll drive up in one go, up to Ballina? 541 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:40,053 Yeah, I go to Ballina tomorrow then cross the border on Monday. 542 00:28:41,096 --> 00:28:41,972 Wow. 543 00:28:42,055 --> 00:28:43,056 Nuts. 544 00:28:43,932 --> 00:28:46,518 I gotta get back to it. I'm gonna go for my swim. 545 00:28:46,602 --> 00:28:48,562 -Enjoy the swim. -Thanks, my love. 546 00:28:48,645 --> 00:28:50,606 Be careful around the rocks. 547 00:28:50,689 --> 00:28:52,733 Yeah. I will. I will be careful. 548 00:28:53,692 --> 00:28:55,569 Thank you, my dear. Speak soon. 549 00:28:55,652 --> 00:28:58,238 -Enjoy. I'll talk to you later. -Bye, love. 550 00:28:58,322 --> 00:29:00,991 [Bronte] People ask it a lot, what have you sacrificed? 551 00:29:01,074 --> 00:29:04,036 And I don't really like it as a question 552 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,748 because it sort of assumes that you can do everything in life. 553 00:29:07,831 --> 00:29:11,543 I didn't sacrifice things. I made a choice for something else. 554 00:29:11,627 --> 00:29:13,879 After you've made a choice to be a swimmer, 555 00:29:13,962 --> 00:29:16,340 it takes away all the other choices. 556 00:29:16,423 --> 00:29:19,593 You can make a choice to be a uni student and still go skiing, 557 00:29:19,676 --> 00:29:21,929 or go travelling on your holidays. 558 00:29:22,012 --> 00:29:23,847 Just all your choices are gone. 559 00:29:23,931 --> 00:29:26,808 When you choose to be a swimmer it knocks them all out. 560 00:29:26,892 --> 00:29:29,686 I missed out on things but I chose to miss out on them, 561 00:29:29,770 --> 00:29:32,898 and I constantly kept on choosing to miss out on them. 562 00:29:34,316 --> 00:29:36,735 I think it's a weird thing to be, like, 563 00:29:36,818 --> 00:29:40,906 this is literally my childhood dream from when I was a little kid, 564 00:29:40,989 --> 00:29:42,074 and I am doing it, 565 00:29:42,157 --> 00:29:45,494 then to complain about the things I've given up along the way. 566 00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,873 I'm aware that there's a bunch of young kids watching, 567 00:29:49,957 --> 00:29:53,085 because when I was little, I watched the Olympics. 568 00:29:53,168 --> 00:29:55,170 That's what got me into swimming. 569 00:29:55,254 --> 00:29:57,881 Olympics is the biggest platform there is for my sport, 570 00:29:57,965 --> 00:30:00,676 and when you're there, you've got a lot of power. 571 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,179 Isn't that a Spider-Man quote? "Great power, great responsibility." 572 00:30:04,263 --> 00:30:05,264 [chuckles] 573 00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:21,488 -Hello. -Good to see you. 574 00:30:21,572 --> 00:30:22,823 Very nice to see you. 575 00:30:22,906 --> 00:30:24,366 -Come on through. -Thank you. 576 00:30:24,449 --> 00:30:26,326 -Nice to see you. -How are you? 577 00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:27,869 -I'm well. How are you? -Good. 578 00:30:27,953 --> 00:30:29,705 -Hello, love. -Elbows. 579 00:30:29,788 --> 00:30:30,956 Is that how we do? 580 00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:32,499 [Thorpe] So, I'm in Canberra, 581 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,211 and I'll be meeting with a number of politicians. 582 00:30:36,295 --> 00:30:39,214 We work with both sides of government. 583 00:30:39,298 --> 00:30:41,925 You know, our MPs and senators. 584 00:30:42,509 --> 00:30:44,303 There's talk going around 585 00:30:44,386 --> 00:30:47,139 obviously about the Religious Discrimination Bill. 586 00:30:47,222 --> 00:30:49,141 Religious Discrimination Bill... 587 00:30:49,224 --> 00:30:52,394 The Religious Freedom Bill proposed by the government 588 00:30:52,477 --> 00:30:54,521 discriminates against people of faith. 589 00:30:54,605 --> 00:30:56,523 It's not difficult for me to do, 590 00:30:56,607 --> 00:30:58,900 to be at these kinds of meetings, 591 00:30:59,484 --> 00:31:02,571 but I also do a lot of preparation for it as well, 592 00:31:02,654 --> 00:31:06,700 so that I am comfortable around whatever statistic we may have 593 00:31:06,783 --> 00:31:09,411 that we're putting out there and giving to people. 594 00:31:09,494 --> 00:31:11,371 [Penny] But surely, fundamentally, 595 00:31:12,122 --> 00:31:15,917 we would all agree, we wanna try and reduce the incidents 596 00:31:16,001 --> 00:31:18,211 of self-harm amongst young people. 597 00:31:18,295 --> 00:31:20,797 It's one in two of attempted suicide. 598 00:31:21,381 --> 00:31:25,677 It makes the trans community or trans people, 599 00:31:25,761 --> 00:31:29,139 the most vulnerable group that we have in our society. 600 00:31:29,222 --> 00:31:32,142 There are people who are vulnerable 601 00:31:32,225 --> 00:31:34,561 and who hear all sorts of negative messages, 602 00:31:34,645 --> 00:31:36,563 so, what we can do to counter those 603 00:31:36,647 --> 00:31:39,775 with messages of inclusion and support, 604 00:31:39,858 --> 00:31:43,153 but also, "Hey, you know, I'm this person, 605 00:31:43,236 --> 00:31:45,280 "and I'm on your side, so it's okay." 606 00:31:45,364 --> 00:31:48,408 They are really important messages, so, thank you. 607 00:31:50,202 --> 00:31:54,373 [Thorpe] Over a period of time, I built up a level of respect, 608 00:31:54,956 --> 00:31:57,459 from, I think, the community and what I do, 609 00:31:57,542 --> 00:32:01,254 and what I stand for as an individual, 610 00:32:01,338 --> 00:32:04,174 but with that comes 611 00:32:04,257 --> 00:32:07,219 a tremendous responsibility to also give back, 612 00:32:07,302 --> 00:32:10,305 and I am happy to do that. 613 00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:14,810 Um, five-time Olympic gold medalist, national icon 614 00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:17,771 and dear friend of Equality Australia, Ian Thorpe. 615 00:32:18,397 --> 00:32:22,818 When I do have the opportunity to speak about things that I can relate to 616 00:32:22,901 --> 00:32:25,821 that I have experienced in my own life, 617 00:32:25,904 --> 00:32:29,908 I, um... will feel that responsibility, 618 00:32:29,991 --> 00:32:34,413 but I also want to deliver for when I felt voiceless in the past as well. 619 00:32:34,496 --> 00:32:36,289 It was a few years ago now, 620 00:32:36,373 --> 00:32:40,001 but for the first time, I actually experienced discrimination. 621 00:32:40,085 --> 00:32:42,504 Um, I was in the back of an Uber 622 00:32:42,587 --> 00:32:45,590 and I gave my boyfriend a peck. 623 00:32:45,674 --> 00:32:48,301 It was only a peck, it wasn't any more than that. 624 00:32:48,385 --> 00:32:53,724 And the driver made a point of turning around and saying to me, 625 00:32:54,349 --> 00:32:57,519 "Ian Thorpe..." My name is not on my Uber account, by the way, 626 00:32:58,145 --> 00:33:00,480 "Um, you should be ashamed of yourself." 627 00:33:01,148 --> 00:33:03,567 So this is... 628 00:33:03,650 --> 00:33:05,068 GIRL: He got a bad rating. 629 00:33:05,152 --> 00:33:06,528 -Yeah, he got... -[all laughing] 630 00:33:06,611 --> 00:33:08,447 -He got no rating. -[laughter] 631 00:33:08,530 --> 00:33:10,699 He got a complaint, don't worry about that. 632 00:33:11,491 --> 00:33:15,871 Um, the reason that I remember it particularly is, 633 00:33:15,954 --> 00:33:17,372 it was, actually, that night 634 00:33:17,456 --> 00:33:21,001 was the first time I told my partner at the time that I loved him. 635 00:33:21,626 --> 00:33:26,590 Um, so, it ruined what should have been an incredible night for me. 636 00:33:27,299 --> 00:33:30,469 That's the real world that still exists for a lot of people. 637 00:33:30,552 --> 00:33:31,553 [people applauding] 638 00:33:37,517 --> 00:33:39,519 [Thorpe] We had a swimming event cancelled, 639 00:33:39,603 --> 00:33:43,565 so that we can bring the entire national team together. 640 00:33:44,775 --> 00:33:47,778 So, not just the people who are on the Dolphin Team competing, 641 00:33:47,861 --> 00:33:49,362 but the extended team. 642 00:33:49,988 --> 00:33:52,657 -[Kyle] Morning. -[Steve] Good morning, sir. 643 00:33:52,741 --> 00:33:53,825 [Kyle] How are you? 644 00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:55,744 [indistinct chatter] 645 00:33:56,244 --> 00:34:00,207 [Hanson] It's a chance to also train in squads together in different strokes, 646 00:34:00,290 --> 00:34:02,876 but to also create the camaraderie 647 00:34:02,959 --> 00:34:04,836 that you need with that group. 648 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,964 There's just some horrible green tree pythons there. 649 00:34:08,507 --> 00:34:12,260 This is my Aussie green tree python female. 650 00:34:12,344 --> 00:34:15,055 I'll be away for most of the year, so, 651 00:34:15,137 --> 00:34:17,224 Steve'll take care of that this year. 652 00:34:17,307 --> 00:34:21,394 It's five less mouths for my mum to feed when I'm away, which is good. 653 00:34:21,478 --> 00:34:23,188 [pop song playing] 654 00:34:24,356 --> 00:34:28,068 [Hanson] The National Event Camp can really set the stage 655 00:34:28,151 --> 00:34:31,822 to bring the best of the best together. 656 00:34:39,412 --> 00:34:42,666 Whether you are a rising 13 or 14 year old 657 00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:45,585 that has strived to make the National Event Camp, 658 00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:48,838 and you're on camp for the first time 659 00:34:48,922 --> 00:34:50,465 with someone like Kyle Chalmers, 660 00:34:50,548 --> 00:34:53,050 someone like Bronte and Kate Campbell. 661 00:34:53,134 --> 00:34:55,554 You can rub shoulders with the best of the best. 662 00:34:55,637 --> 00:34:56,847 It inspires you. 663 00:34:56,930 --> 00:35:02,102 And, uh, to have Ian Thorpe walk in to an event camp, 664 00:35:02,185 --> 00:35:04,187 it's the icing on the cake for them. 665 00:35:04,271 --> 00:35:07,232 You just think, "Thorpie's in the house." 666 00:35:07,315 --> 00:35:08,316 [indistinct chatter] 667 00:35:12,362 --> 00:35:14,322 [Daniel] It's surreal to be in a room, 668 00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:19,578 um, with so many incredible athletes, coaches, support staff. 669 00:35:19,661 --> 00:35:22,247 [Rohan] To see this in the room, who would have thought, 670 00:35:22,330 --> 00:35:24,165 six months ago, we'd be doing this? 671 00:35:24,249 --> 00:35:28,587 But a lot of people did want a plan to have this happen and get you together, 672 00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:31,006 and with the aim of getting ourselves 673 00:35:31,089 --> 00:35:33,925 directed towards the Olympic Games. 674 00:35:34,801 --> 00:35:38,138 So, when we look at the purpose of the next two days, 675 00:35:39,097 --> 00:35:41,391 I like this phrase, "Pressure is a privilege." 676 00:35:42,517 --> 00:35:44,144 We wanna create pressure. 677 00:35:44,227 --> 00:35:47,439 We wanna create pressure on you so that you can execute. 678 00:35:47,522 --> 00:35:51,067 So, we're enhancing the relay coaches. It's coach led. 679 00:35:51,151 --> 00:35:54,696 We're bringing people together here, collaborating and engaging. 680 00:35:57,157 --> 00:35:59,701 I can promise you that the next couple days 681 00:35:59,784 --> 00:36:02,120 will bring pressure and uncertainty. 682 00:36:04,164 --> 00:36:06,041 We want to improve our skills. 683 00:36:06,583 --> 00:36:09,252 Measurable is competitive, so we'll measure a lot. 684 00:36:09,336 --> 00:36:13,715 We wanna see competitiveness, and consistent performance under pressure. 685 00:36:13,798 --> 00:36:17,510 We feel that the more you can do that, you can handle anything. 686 00:36:18,261 --> 00:36:20,639 We've got opportunity to create history. 687 00:36:20,722 --> 00:36:22,974 [pop song playing]