1 00:00:08,219 --> 00:00:11,122 [electronic music] 2 00:00:11,222 --> 00:00:15,426 - * MTV 3 00:00:34,878 --> 00:00:36,046 [VCR clicks] 4 00:00:36,147 --> 00:00:39,049 [soft music] 5 00:00:39,150 --> 00:00:43,019 * 6 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,190 - We shouldn't concentrate too much on superstar, you know? 7 00:00:46,290 --> 00:00:48,392 * 8 00:00:48,492 --> 00:00:50,461 It's a very dangerous thing to talk about. 9 00:00:50,561 --> 00:00:52,563 * 10 00:00:52,663 --> 00:00:54,798 I know--I know a lot of superstars... 11 00:00:54,898 --> 00:00:56,933 - Yeah. - And I look back 12 00:00:57,033 --> 00:00:59,170 and I see--I don't see them now, you know? 13 00:00:59,270 --> 00:01:00,971 So the same could happen with us. 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,876 * Girl, you know it, girl, you know it * 15 00:01:05,976 --> 00:01:08,078 * Girl, you know it's true 16 00:01:08,179 --> 00:01:10,747 [dramatic music] 17 00:01:13,049 --> 00:01:15,719 [cheers and applause] 18 00:01:15,819 --> 00:01:18,222 - Milli Vanilli, the striking European duo, 19 00:01:18,322 --> 00:01:20,624 has made it big in America. 20 00:01:20,724 --> 00:01:23,760 - First album went six times platinum in 1989. 21 00:01:23,860 --> 00:01:25,796 - It's quite a weird story. 22 00:01:25,896 --> 00:01:27,264 One minute, Milli Vanilli were there... 23 00:01:27,364 --> 00:01:28,599 - Milli Vanilli. - Milli Vanilli. 24 00:01:28,699 --> 00:01:29,633 - Milli-- - Milli-- 25 00:01:29,733 --> 00:01:31,702 - Milli-- - Vanilli! 26 00:01:31,802 --> 00:01:33,170 - And the next minute, they weren't. 27 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:34,338 - [laughs] 28 00:01:34,438 --> 00:01:38,675 * 29 00:01:38,775 --> 00:01:41,111 - New weasel boys of the record world. 30 00:01:41,212 --> 00:01:44,915 - Everybody participated, but they were the scapegoats. 31 00:01:45,015 --> 00:01:48,485 - Record companies are oddly silent on the whole issue. 32 00:01:48,585 --> 00:01:50,854 - People don't understand 33 00:01:50,954 --> 00:01:53,890 the machine that is underneath a pop act. 34 00:01:53,990 --> 00:01:56,993 - We want to say thank you to our producer. 35 00:01:57,093 --> 00:01:58,895 - The evil genius, I guess we could call him. 36 00:01:58,995 --> 00:02:01,398 - If it wasn't for him, this would not even take place. 37 00:02:01,498 --> 00:02:02,799 - You get something, 38 00:02:02,899 --> 00:02:04,835 but for that, you make a pact with the devil. 39 00:02:04,935 --> 00:02:09,306 * 40 00:02:09,406 --> 00:02:10,341 - Imagine you have everything... 41 00:02:10,441 --> 00:02:12,443 [crowd screaming] 42 00:02:12,543 --> 00:02:15,111 - The fame, the fortune. 43 00:02:15,212 --> 00:02:16,880 They were in a dream. 44 00:02:16,980 --> 00:02:18,849 - And suddenly, everybody turns against you 45 00:02:18,949 --> 00:02:20,717 and you have nothing. Overnight. 46 00:02:20,817 --> 00:02:22,185 [indistinct shouting] 47 00:02:22,286 --> 00:02:24,355 How do you handle that? 48 00:02:24,455 --> 00:02:26,657 - It cost them everything. 49 00:02:26,757 --> 00:02:29,192 - There is not another story like this 50 00:02:29,293 --> 00:02:30,861 in pop music history. 51 00:02:30,961 --> 00:02:37,934 * 52 00:03:32,823 --> 00:03:34,791 - It's been a while. 53 00:03:34,891 --> 00:03:36,927 Oh! 54 00:03:37,694 --> 00:03:40,931 Yeah, man, we were young and fresh, man. 55 00:03:41,031 --> 00:03:45,669 That's a normal tank top but I think he just pulled on it. 56 00:03:45,769 --> 00:03:48,605 You know, I mean, we were fashion forward. 57 00:03:48,705 --> 00:03:52,008 [laughs] 58 00:03:54,010 --> 00:03:56,647 That was a big show in Germany. 59 00:03:56,747 --> 00:03:58,949 Yeah, that was a cool vibe. 60 00:04:02,453 --> 00:04:03,920 Hmm. 61 00:04:05,255 --> 00:04:08,392 You know, Rob Pilatus doesn't look right in this photo. 62 00:04:08,492 --> 00:04:11,562 I can see the decline. 63 00:04:11,662 --> 00:04:15,265 'Cause that's not what Rob looked like 64 00:04:15,366 --> 00:04:17,768 or was supposed to look like. 65 00:04:17,868 --> 00:04:20,704 He was extremely strong, 66 00:04:20,804 --> 00:04:26,710 but you can tell that life took a toll on him. 67 00:04:29,380 --> 00:04:32,282 [soft music] 68 00:04:32,383 --> 00:04:35,051 * 69 00:04:35,151 --> 00:04:39,189 Becoming friends was inevitable. 70 00:04:39,289 --> 00:04:41,925 * 71 00:04:42,025 --> 00:04:43,694 I grew up in Paris. 72 00:04:43,794 --> 00:04:45,762 * 73 00:04:45,862 --> 00:04:52,569 When I turned 18, I went to Munich, Germany, 74 00:04:52,669 --> 00:04:54,638 ran out of money, 75 00:04:54,738 --> 00:04:59,976 ended up being homeless for a couple weeks. 76 00:05:00,076 --> 00:05:03,880 It was cold so I had to sleep in the train station, 77 00:05:03,980 --> 00:05:06,517 but I was able to get some jobs 78 00:05:06,617 --> 00:05:09,386 teaching classes with dance school, 79 00:05:09,486 --> 00:05:11,722 'cause that was my background in Paris. 80 00:05:13,189 --> 00:05:16,793 And then one day, I went to a party in Munich 81 00:05:16,893 --> 00:05:19,362 and there he was, Mr. Rob Pilatus. 82 00:05:19,463 --> 00:05:21,231 [hip-hop music] 83 00:05:21,331 --> 00:05:22,766 He was a break-dancer. 84 00:05:22,866 --> 00:05:25,035 He was onstage doing the helicopter. 85 00:05:25,135 --> 00:05:29,072 * 86 00:05:29,172 --> 00:05:30,373 At the end, 87 00:05:30,474 --> 00:05:32,443 when everybody gave him his props and everything, 88 00:05:32,543 --> 00:05:34,110 he saw me and he was like, 89 00:05:34,210 --> 00:05:36,780 "Who the hell are you? That's my turf!" 90 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,381 Because there were not many Black people 91 00:05:38,482 --> 00:05:39,716 in Munich at the time. 92 00:05:39,816 --> 00:05:41,985 [soft hip-hop music] 93 00:05:42,085 --> 00:05:44,621 Rob and I were the only dark-skinned people. 94 00:05:44,721 --> 00:05:47,057 There were none. 95 00:05:47,157 --> 00:05:50,026 Rob was older than me by two years. 96 00:05:50,126 --> 00:05:51,528 He had an infectious laugh-- 97 00:05:51,628 --> 00:05:52,863 [imitating laugh] 98 00:05:52,963 --> 00:05:55,532 Like, really loud, you know? 99 00:05:55,632 --> 00:05:57,033 I was socially awkward. 100 00:05:57,133 --> 00:06:01,104 You know, I was shy and I was not fluent in German. 101 00:06:01,204 --> 00:06:03,674 It was like big brother, little brother. 102 00:06:03,774 --> 00:06:05,609 * 103 00:06:05,709 --> 00:06:08,311 He became my best friend. 104 00:06:08,411 --> 00:06:10,881 But I felt like there was something inside of him 105 00:06:10,981 --> 00:06:13,517 that was--that was missing. 106 00:06:13,617 --> 00:06:16,520 [soft music] 107 00:07:16,647 --> 00:07:20,083 - Every time we talked about that period of his life, 108 00:07:20,183 --> 00:07:22,719 it was kind of like taboo, 109 00:07:22,819 --> 00:07:26,489 but I understood his pain. 110 00:07:26,590 --> 00:07:30,126 Growing up, my family was so dysfunctional. 111 00:07:30,226 --> 00:07:33,764 It was an abusive environment, 112 00:07:33,864 --> 00:07:37,500 and I ran away. 113 00:07:37,601 --> 00:07:39,836 So, just like me, 114 00:07:39,936 --> 00:07:41,572 he was looking for a family. 115 00:07:41,672 --> 00:07:44,708 [soft determined music] 116 00:07:44,808 --> 00:07:49,512 We moved in together in an attic of a friend of his. 117 00:07:49,613 --> 00:07:53,617 Rob would take the bed, I would take the sofa. 118 00:07:53,717 --> 00:07:56,519 But there was, like, a stereo system, 119 00:07:56,620 --> 00:07:58,388 and that thing was on all day. 120 00:07:58,488 --> 00:08:01,057 [grungy hip-hop music] 121 00:08:01,157 --> 00:08:03,794 Music always pulled us together. 122 00:08:03,894 --> 00:08:05,528 * 123 00:08:05,629 --> 00:08:07,530 We both liked dancing, 124 00:08:07,631 --> 00:08:10,100 we were very social people, 125 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,468 so we started throwing parties together. 126 00:08:12,569 --> 00:08:14,070 [upbeat music] 127 00:08:14,170 --> 00:08:15,505 And they were packed. 128 00:08:15,606 --> 00:08:17,407 The girls were beautiful. 129 00:08:17,507 --> 00:08:19,009 You know, we had a DJ, 130 00:08:19,109 --> 00:08:21,344 and we brought the vibe. 131 00:08:21,444 --> 00:08:22,813 * 132 00:08:22,913 --> 00:08:24,815 You know, a circle would be happening. 133 00:08:24,915 --> 00:08:26,850 Rob doing break dancing, and when he was done, 134 00:08:26,950 --> 00:08:28,919 I would come in and I would pop, lock, 135 00:08:29,019 --> 00:08:30,654 bam, bam, bam! 136 00:08:30,754 --> 00:08:33,256 And it brought a lot of attention. 137 00:08:33,356 --> 00:08:38,228 So we started doing shows in this club, Piantz. 138 00:08:38,328 --> 00:08:40,697 We loved to entertain people, like, 139 00:08:40,797 --> 00:08:43,366 make people like, "Aw, yeah!" 140 00:08:43,466 --> 00:08:46,102 We loved that energy, that roar, 141 00:08:46,202 --> 00:08:48,905 and we wanna do more of this. 142 00:08:49,005 --> 00:08:50,941 And the dream was to do what we did in the club, 143 00:08:51,041 --> 00:08:54,310 sing, perform, live the life, 144 00:08:54,410 --> 00:08:58,448 to become the biggest pop stars in the world! 145 00:08:58,548 --> 00:09:00,583 - * Hot girl, hot girl 146 00:09:00,684 --> 00:09:02,218 * I'm satisfaction, baby 147 00:09:02,318 --> 00:09:04,154 * Hot girl, hot girl 148 00:09:04,254 --> 00:09:06,923 - We started dancing for this TV show. 149 00:09:07,023 --> 00:09:08,324 - * Hot girl 150 00:09:08,424 --> 00:09:12,863 We danced behind pop stars of the '80s. 151 00:09:12,963 --> 00:09:14,931 We ended up modeling as well. 152 00:09:15,031 --> 00:09:16,466 * 153 00:09:16,566 --> 00:09:18,635 We did some catalog. 154 00:09:18,735 --> 00:09:21,471 We were making a lot of noise in Munich at that time, 155 00:09:21,571 --> 00:09:24,607 but it was like, how do we get to the next level? 156 00:09:24,708 --> 00:09:26,409 [upbeat curious music] 157 00:09:26,509 --> 00:09:30,080 In order to become pop stars, we had to have the look, 158 00:09:30,180 --> 00:09:34,084 so we had to study what makes a superstar. 159 00:09:34,184 --> 00:09:36,820 And one thing we noticed was the hair. 160 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,121 * 161 00:09:38,221 --> 00:09:39,823 I know Elvis' hair. 162 00:09:39,923 --> 00:09:41,424 I know Bob Marley's hair. 163 00:09:41,524 --> 00:09:44,260 Marilyn Monroe. Michael Jackson. 164 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,097 You could put, like, a shadow, and you knew who that was. 165 00:09:47,197 --> 00:09:49,866 We were like, "Hell yeah, we're doing this." 166 00:09:49,966 --> 00:09:51,034 And the hair came... 167 00:09:51,134 --> 00:09:54,070 [snaps] Like that. 168 00:09:54,170 --> 00:09:56,907 Hoo! The reactions were amazing. 169 00:09:57,007 --> 00:09:58,474 Every time we went to the clubs, 170 00:09:58,574 --> 00:10:01,511 girls loved the hair, loved the clothing-- 171 00:10:01,611 --> 00:10:02,913 they loved Rob and Fab. 172 00:10:03,013 --> 00:10:05,248 - * Go to the dance floor, dansez * 173 00:10:05,348 --> 00:10:08,051 * Voulez vous, dansez 174 00:10:08,151 --> 00:10:09,886 - We put a band together, 175 00:10:09,986 --> 00:10:11,988 Empire Bizarre... 176 00:10:12,088 --> 00:10:13,890 - * Hey 177 00:10:13,990 --> 00:10:15,792 - And we played a few gigs. 178 00:10:15,892 --> 00:10:17,660 We gave tapes to people. 179 00:10:17,761 --> 00:10:19,129 We knew we were gonna be big. 180 00:10:19,229 --> 00:10:20,363 - * Dansez 181 00:10:43,954 --> 00:10:45,688 - Since we were spreading the word 182 00:10:45,789 --> 00:10:47,958 of us getting into the music industry, 183 00:10:48,058 --> 00:10:50,526 we were starting to get approached by people. 184 00:10:50,626 --> 00:10:52,228 [soft music] 185 00:10:52,328 --> 00:10:55,631 So one day, this guy came to Rob and said, "Hey, you know, 186 00:10:55,732 --> 00:10:57,033 we're gonna connect you with Frank Farian." 187 00:10:57,133 --> 00:10:59,335 * 188 00:10:59,435 --> 00:11:01,905 Rob played cool to the dude, 189 00:11:02,005 --> 00:11:04,274 but to me, he was like, "Oh, my God! 190 00:11:04,374 --> 00:11:07,310 Oh, Frank Farian! You know this?" I didn't know. 191 00:11:07,410 --> 00:11:09,112 * 192 00:11:09,212 --> 00:11:11,481 Rob told me, "Hey, Frank Farian, 193 00:11:11,581 --> 00:11:13,016 he did Boney M." 194 00:11:13,116 --> 00:11:16,119 I was like, "Oh, wow, that's--that's big" 195 00:11:16,219 --> 00:11:19,189 because Boney M., obviously, was a huge group. 196 00:11:19,289 --> 00:11:22,092 [Boney M's "Rasputin" playing] 197 00:11:22,192 --> 00:11:26,763 * 198 00:11:26,863 --> 00:11:30,333 - * There lived a certain man in Russia long ago * 199 00:11:30,433 --> 00:11:34,805 - * He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow * 200 00:11:34,905 --> 00:11:38,241 - Boney M. were a big hit disco group in the '70s... 201 00:11:38,341 --> 00:11:39,542 - Boney M.! [cheers and applause] 202 00:11:39,642 --> 00:11:42,178 - And they were huge worldwide. - Huge! 203 00:11:42,278 --> 00:11:45,949 - * He could preach the Bible like a preacher * 204 00:11:46,049 --> 00:11:47,550 * Full of ecstasy 205 00:11:47,650 --> 00:11:49,319 - Boney M. sold 80 million records. 206 00:11:49,419 --> 00:11:51,354 They had a number of number one hits. 207 00:11:51,454 --> 00:11:52,889 - "Rivers of Babylon." 208 00:11:52,989 --> 00:11:54,390 - "Daddy Cool." - "Sunny." 209 00:11:54,490 --> 00:11:55,725 - I love the song "Ma Baker." 210 00:11:55,826 --> 00:11:57,260 - Ra, ra, Rasputin. 211 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,897 - * Ra, ra, Rasputin, lover of the Russian queen * 212 00:12:00,997 --> 00:12:03,599 - A bananas song and it's about Rasputin. 213 00:12:03,699 --> 00:12:06,569 - Mysterious figure in czarist Russia. 214 00:12:06,669 --> 00:12:08,171 - When you watch video of Boney M. 215 00:12:08,271 --> 00:12:09,840 and you see Bobby Farrell, you're like, 216 00:12:09,940 --> 00:12:12,042 "Wow, that dude is awesome." 217 00:12:12,142 --> 00:12:14,110 - It was on the radio, at parties. 218 00:12:14,210 --> 00:12:16,379 - Boney M. made music that you could dance to 219 00:12:16,479 --> 00:12:19,515 and get drunk to and have fun. [laughs] 220 00:12:19,615 --> 00:12:23,286 - But how did you four people get together to form Boney M.? 221 00:12:23,386 --> 00:12:27,858 - Well, it all came about from our producer Frank Farian. 222 00:12:27,958 --> 00:12:30,927 [soft tense music] 223 00:12:31,027 --> 00:12:33,663 - If you work with Frank Farian, 224 00:12:33,763 --> 00:12:36,432 that's a high level guy. 225 00:12:36,532 --> 00:12:40,636 We realized that this could be the one we've been waiting for, 226 00:12:40,736 --> 00:12:42,505 so we went to Frankfurt. 227 00:12:42,605 --> 00:12:46,242 * 228 00:12:46,342 --> 00:12:50,446 Frank Farian's compound was huge. 229 00:12:50,546 --> 00:12:52,815 And when they opened the door, 230 00:12:52,916 --> 00:12:57,053 we were greeted by all those gold records on the wall, 231 00:12:57,153 --> 00:12:59,355 and it was amazing. 232 00:12:59,455 --> 00:13:02,092 It was the kind of stuff that you saw with Quincy Jones. 233 00:13:02,192 --> 00:13:04,060 * 234 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:09,299 100 tracks, Neve console, microphones. 235 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:12,302 It was incredible! 236 00:13:13,603 --> 00:13:16,372 Frank and his secretary, Ingrid Segieth, 237 00:13:16,472 --> 00:13:18,541 they said, "We're working on a project 238 00:13:18,641 --> 00:13:20,710 and we're thinking that you could be good for it," 239 00:13:20,810 --> 00:13:22,378 if we were interested. 240 00:13:22,478 --> 00:13:25,581 Hell, yeah, we were interested. 241 00:13:25,681 --> 00:13:29,119 Ingrid brought in the recording contract, 242 00:13:29,219 --> 00:13:32,022 and we never really attempted to read it. 243 00:13:32,122 --> 00:13:36,759 We were not trying to say no to this powerful producer. 244 00:13:36,859 --> 00:13:40,830 Also, we would get, like, 1,500 deutschmark each, 245 00:13:40,931 --> 00:13:45,068 and we were like, "Oh, hell yeah. Where? OK." 246 00:13:45,168 --> 00:13:48,104 [suspicious music] 247 00:13:48,204 --> 00:13:51,207 When we signed that contract, 248 00:13:51,307 --> 00:13:52,708 we toasted. 249 00:13:52,808 --> 00:13:55,011 * 250 00:13:55,111 --> 00:13:56,879 We were, like, breaking bread. 251 00:13:56,980 --> 00:13:58,915 * 252 00:13:59,015 --> 00:14:02,953 But then Frank leaned over to Rob and told him, 253 00:14:03,053 --> 00:14:05,888 "Don't fuck with me. 254 00:14:05,989 --> 00:14:07,823 Don't ever fuck with me." 255 00:14:07,924 --> 00:14:10,760 [soft curious music] 256 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:15,165 * 257 00:14:15,265 --> 00:14:19,602 Several months went by. 258 00:14:19,702 --> 00:14:24,240 They never gave us any information. 259 00:14:24,340 --> 00:14:25,575 That was driving us crazy. 260 00:14:25,675 --> 00:14:27,510 Like, why don't they tell us, like, 261 00:14:27,610 --> 00:14:30,981 a date where we can come to do the vocals, 262 00:14:31,081 --> 00:14:34,017 or like, when do we get started? 263 00:14:34,117 --> 00:14:37,053 * 264 00:14:37,153 --> 00:14:39,655 Finally, Ingrid called. 265 00:14:39,755 --> 00:14:42,392 "Come to studio. It's gonna be good." 266 00:14:42,492 --> 00:14:45,395 Oh, man, we were pumped. 267 00:14:45,495 --> 00:14:48,864 We went straight to the studio. 268 00:14:48,965 --> 00:14:51,901 And then once everyone is in the room, 269 00:14:52,002 --> 00:14:53,903 he plays a tune. 270 00:14:54,004 --> 00:14:56,106 [machine clicks] 271 00:14:56,206 --> 00:14:59,009 ["Girl You Know It's True" playing] 272 00:14:59,109 --> 00:15:04,280 * 273 00:15:04,380 --> 00:15:08,684 I couldn't believe that this music was for us. 274 00:15:08,784 --> 00:15:14,124 * 275 00:15:14,224 --> 00:15:15,325 I saw colors. 276 00:15:15,425 --> 00:15:18,194 I saw us onstage 277 00:15:18,294 --> 00:15:20,796 singing in front of a crowd. 278 00:15:20,896 --> 00:15:22,532 And then when the music stopped... 279 00:15:22,632 --> 00:15:25,235 [music stops] It was like, wow. 280 00:15:25,335 --> 00:15:27,370 You could still hear those bells-- 281 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:29,939 ding, ding, ding, ding. 282 00:15:32,175 --> 00:15:35,411 He turned, and then, 283 00:15:35,511 --> 00:15:38,381 you know, "folgen Sie mir." You know, "follow me." 284 00:15:38,481 --> 00:15:40,850 [soft tense music] 285 00:15:40,950 --> 00:15:42,052 - [speaking German] 286 00:15:42,152 --> 00:15:43,253 - It felt serious. 287 00:15:43,353 --> 00:15:45,555 * 288 00:15:45,655 --> 00:15:48,691 And then we end up in this dark room. 289 00:15:48,791 --> 00:15:52,362 Rob and Frank start talking really fast in German, 290 00:15:52,462 --> 00:15:54,830 so I can't really understand everything, 291 00:15:54,930 --> 00:15:57,500 but I can tell, like, it's getting intense. 292 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,036 Like, they raise their voices. 293 00:16:00,136 --> 00:16:02,405 Rob is looking at me with his green eyes. 294 00:16:02,505 --> 00:16:03,973 Like, he looks pissed. 295 00:16:04,074 --> 00:16:05,641 * 296 00:16:05,741 --> 00:16:08,878 Frank leaves and screams, 297 00:16:08,978 --> 00:16:11,647 and then Rob turns to me, saying, 298 00:16:11,747 --> 00:16:14,350 "They don't want us to sing on this record." 299 00:16:14,450 --> 00:16:16,352 And I'm like, like-- 300 00:16:16,452 --> 00:16:18,288 So, I'm trying to speak. 301 00:16:18,388 --> 00:16:19,422 I'm trying to talk to him 302 00:16:19,522 --> 00:16:20,790 and trying to get as much information, 303 00:16:20,890 --> 00:16:22,625 but he was like, "Just wait, wait. 304 00:16:22,725 --> 00:16:24,827 "They don't want us to sing! 305 00:16:24,927 --> 00:16:27,163 They want us to lip-sync the song." 306 00:16:27,263 --> 00:16:28,631 I'm like, "What?" 307 00:16:28,731 --> 00:16:31,601 Why in the hell? Like, he's playing us a song. 308 00:16:31,701 --> 00:16:34,270 I'm trying to understand, like, what do you mean? 309 00:16:34,370 --> 00:16:35,838 I don't get it. 310 00:16:35,938 --> 00:16:37,973 And that's where I--I-- I black out. 311 00:16:38,074 --> 00:16:40,576 [music fades out] 312 00:16:40,676 --> 00:16:42,978 [soft suspicious music] 313 00:16:43,079 --> 00:16:45,181 I remember thinking, "This is weird. 314 00:16:45,281 --> 00:16:47,783 Like, we don't want to lip-sync." 315 00:16:47,883 --> 00:16:52,488 That's when Ingrid gave us the options. 316 00:16:54,090 --> 00:16:58,528 What she conveyed to us clearly is that 317 00:16:58,628 --> 00:17:02,565 we signed the contract, we got money-- 318 00:17:02,665 --> 00:17:05,935 if we didn't want to take part, 319 00:17:06,035 --> 00:17:08,304 we have to pay them back. 320 00:17:08,404 --> 00:17:09,972 But Ingrid said, 321 00:17:10,072 --> 00:17:13,075 "It's not just the advance that we paid you, 322 00:17:13,176 --> 00:17:15,077 "but also all the money that we gave you 323 00:17:15,178 --> 00:17:17,447 through the months." 324 00:17:17,547 --> 00:17:20,015 We developed a debt towards Frank Farian. 325 00:17:20,116 --> 00:17:22,352 * 326 00:17:22,452 --> 00:17:24,920 We were scared as hell. 327 00:17:25,020 --> 00:17:28,424 I was 21 years old and Rob was 24. 328 00:17:28,524 --> 00:17:32,094 * 329 00:17:32,195 --> 00:17:34,630 We had nowhere to go. 330 00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:37,567 So we thought, OK, it's one song. 331 00:17:37,667 --> 00:17:39,869 You do that and you're out. 332 00:17:39,969 --> 00:17:44,740 [water rushing] 333 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,843 [Boney M's "Sunny" playing] 334 00:17:47,943 --> 00:17:54,917 * 335 00:17:56,619 --> 00:17:59,589 - * Sunny 336 00:17:59,689 --> 00:18:04,427 * Yesterday, my life was filled with rain * 337 00:18:04,527 --> 00:18:07,096 * Sunny 338 00:18:07,197 --> 00:18:12,168 * You smiled at me and really eased the pain * 339 00:18:12,268 --> 00:18:13,469 * Sunny 340 00:18:13,569 --> 00:18:20,510 * 341 00:18:22,578 --> 00:18:25,415 - Hold on. [chuckles] 342 00:18:25,515 --> 00:18:28,818 I should not be so funny. 343 00:18:28,918 --> 00:18:31,086 Serious. 344 00:18:31,187 --> 00:18:34,123 [laughs] 345 00:18:34,224 --> 00:18:36,158 This is serious. 346 00:18:36,259 --> 00:18:38,761 Thank you, schatzi. [kisses] 347 00:18:39,962 --> 00:18:41,364 - Interview, "Milli." Take one. 348 00:18:41,464 --> 00:18:43,566 Camera A and B, mark. 349 00:18:43,666 --> 00:18:46,202 - I've heard that the name Milli Vanilli 350 00:18:46,302 --> 00:18:47,770 is because of you. 351 00:18:47,870 --> 00:18:49,272 - Oh. - Is that true? 352 00:18:49,372 --> 00:18:50,540 - That's true. 353 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,708 [soft music] 354 00:18:52,808 --> 00:18:54,910 I was Frank's girlfriend. 355 00:19:07,557 --> 00:19:11,026 I wrote the checks because I was the financial controller 356 00:19:11,126 --> 00:19:13,596 of Frank's company. 357 00:19:19,435 --> 00:19:20,736 When they came into the studio, 358 00:19:20,836 --> 00:19:23,038 they looked fantastic. 359 00:19:23,138 --> 00:19:26,175 I never saw people like that so well-dressed 360 00:19:26,276 --> 00:19:27,877 and good-looking and braids, 361 00:19:27,977 --> 00:19:30,546 and Rob's eyes, green-- [gasps] 362 00:19:30,646 --> 00:19:32,348 You couldn't stop looking at him. 363 00:19:32,448 --> 00:19:34,584 * 364 00:19:47,530 --> 00:19:50,800 But they were such good dancers. 365 00:20:01,611 --> 00:20:03,813 - Frank needed American singer like me. 366 00:20:03,913 --> 00:20:05,348 He said, "I'm gonna make a project 367 00:20:05,448 --> 00:20:07,317 and you'll be the lead singer." 368 00:20:07,417 --> 00:20:08,951 I said, "OK, let's do it." 369 00:20:14,357 --> 00:20:16,426 - I'm from Houston, Texas. 370 00:20:16,526 --> 00:20:18,294 Frank says, "I have a new project. 371 00:20:18,394 --> 00:20:19,529 Can you rap it?" 372 00:20:19,629 --> 00:20:22,432 He wrote me a check for $12,000. 373 00:20:22,532 --> 00:20:24,300 Just keep your mouth shut. 374 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,670 - Frank said, "Linda, we're gonna need backing vocalists." 375 00:20:27,770 --> 00:20:29,305 So I brought in my twin sister Jodie. 376 00:20:29,405 --> 00:20:31,106 - And I looked at her, I said, "If this is 'oohs' and 'ahs' 377 00:20:31,206 --> 00:20:33,343 and 'I love you,' I'm gonna shoot you." 378 00:20:33,443 --> 00:20:34,610 - I said, "Shut up." 379 00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:36,379 He hits it, he says, "I want you to sing this." 380 00:20:36,479 --> 00:20:37,980 both: * Ooh, ooh, ooh 381 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,148 - * I love you - I said, "Don't say it!" 382 00:20:39,248 --> 00:20:40,850 [suspicious music] 383 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:52,362 The song is ready, and the two guys--perfect. 384 00:20:52,462 --> 00:20:55,598 * 385 00:20:55,698 --> 00:20:57,633 - When they're told they're gonna lip-sync, 386 00:20:57,733 --> 00:20:59,234 what's their reaction? 387 00:20:59,335 --> 00:21:00,703 - No problem at all. 388 00:21:00,803 --> 00:21:04,674 They agreed and said, "OK, when can we start?" 389 00:21:04,774 --> 00:21:07,343 It was never an--an-- an argument. 390 00:21:07,443 --> 00:21:09,779 Never ever. Never! 391 00:21:09,879 --> 00:21:13,082 - So you didn't have to convince them to lip-sync? 392 00:21:13,182 --> 00:21:14,684 - No! Why? 393 00:21:14,784 --> 00:21:17,353 [soft dark music] 394 00:21:17,453 --> 00:21:19,121 They want to have success and... 395 00:21:27,663 --> 00:21:30,666 - Was there ever a point you said, 396 00:21:30,766 --> 00:21:33,202 give us the advance back that we gave you. 397 00:21:33,302 --> 00:21:34,504 - [sigh] Gosh. No. 398 00:21:34,604 --> 00:21:35,705 - No? - No. 399 00:21:35,805 --> 00:21:37,740 - You didn't ask-- - No, no, no. 400 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,311 This is not Frank's art-- artwork, yeah. 401 00:21:42,412 --> 00:21:44,947 If they would refuse, they can go back to Munich 402 00:21:45,047 --> 00:21:46,682 and can... [flaps lips] 403 00:21:46,782 --> 00:21:48,350 go for... 404 00:21:49,452 --> 00:21:51,086 or something like that. 405 00:21:51,186 --> 00:21:52,688 [chuckles softly] 406 00:21:52,788 --> 00:21:57,793 * 407 00:21:57,893 --> 00:22:00,029 - Well, I, uh... [clears throat] 408 00:22:00,129 --> 00:22:05,701 The first time I went to share my side, uh, 409 00:22:05,801 --> 00:22:07,036 I was young. 410 00:22:07,136 --> 00:22:10,305 And if you're a young artist, 411 00:22:10,406 --> 00:22:14,877 you can only tell what they want you to tell. 412 00:22:14,977 --> 00:22:17,580 But now, fuck it. 413 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,114 [laughs] 414 00:22:19,214 --> 00:22:22,184 I ain't keeping my mouth shut for nobody. 415 00:22:22,284 --> 00:22:23,919 * 416 00:22:24,019 --> 00:22:28,658 Frank Farian, he was just a-- 417 00:22:28,758 --> 00:22:34,263 a genius of his art of making money. 418 00:22:34,363 --> 00:22:37,967 He knew exactly what he was doing. 419 00:22:38,067 --> 00:22:40,536 You know, it's not the first time. 420 00:22:40,636 --> 00:22:43,138 The same game was played with Boney M. 421 00:22:43,238 --> 00:22:46,609 * 422 00:22:46,709 --> 00:22:50,580 Bobby was not a singer. 423 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,747 He was a dancer. 424 00:22:51,847 --> 00:22:54,650 * 425 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:56,351 He was a dancer. 426 00:23:03,425 --> 00:23:05,127 - And who sung? 427 00:23:05,227 --> 00:23:05,961 Frank. 428 00:23:06,061 --> 00:23:11,534 - [distorted vocals] 429 00:23:11,634 --> 00:23:14,169 - And it sold 430 00:23:14,269 --> 00:23:16,071 how many platinums, how many golds, 431 00:23:16,171 --> 00:23:17,439 you know what I'm saying? 432 00:23:25,515 --> 00:23:29,018 - You're looking at him as a producer 433 00:23:29,118 --> 00:23:32,855 that made most his money on Black artists, 434 00:23:32,955 --> 00:23:34,890 and it worked. 435 00:23:34,990 --> 00:23:36,692 Then years later, he came back 436 00:23:36,792 --> 00:23:39,829 and did it again with Milli Vanilli. 437 00:23:39,929 --> 00:23:43,265 * 438 00:23:43,365 --> 00:23:45,568 He took my voice, 439 00:23:45,668 --> 00:23:49,739 he took their faces, 440 00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:53,008 he put the project together, 441 00:23:53,108 --> 00:23:56,411 he put it on the market, 442 00:23:56,512 --> 00:23:58,681 and he got rich off it. 443 00:23:58,781 --> 00:24:03,052 * 444 00:24:03,152 --> 00:24:06,088 - Milli Vanilli was delivered by Frank Farian, 445 00:24:06,188 --> 00:24:08,958 and we were the distributor. 446 00:24:09,058 --> 00:24:13,896 We only saw the pictures of the both guys and the song. 447 00:24:15,865 --> 00:24:17,366 Was nice-looking guys. 448 00:24:17,466 --> 00:24:20,302 Internationally, they could be sold because they were colored 449 00:24:20,402 --> 00:24:22,838 and everything was--every-- it fits together. 450 00:24:22,938 --> 00:24:25,007 The product was great. The music was great. 451 00:24:25,107 --> 00:24:27,610 The whole project is fantastic. 452 00:24:31,681 --> 00:24:32,848 - No, we didn't know it. 453 00:24:32,948 --> 00:24:34,784 I got tapes where-- 454 00:24:34,884 --> 00:24:40,522 me, I was told that it's Rob and Fab singing. 455 00:24:40,623 --> 00:24:45,795 - [speaking German] 456 00:24:45,895 --> 00:24:47,229 - One day, we're at a friend's house 457 00:24:47,329 --> 00:24:49,999 watching "Formel Eins," this TV show... 458 00:24:50,099 --> 00:24:52,234 - [speaking German] 459 00:24:52,334 --> 00:24:55,037 - And then we see Milli Vanilli. 460 00:24:55,137 --> 00:24:58,073 - Milli Vanilli, "Girl You Know It's True." 461 00:24:58,173 --> 00:25:01,644 - Our name on television on "Formel Eins." 462 00:25:01,744 --> 00:25:03,646 We used to dance behind the stars 463 00:25:03,746 --> 00:25:05,280 who would come on this show, 464 00:25:05,380 --> 00:25:08,684 and suddenly, we're in the charts. 465 00:25:08,784 --> 00:25:10,285 I mean, we went crazy. 466 00:25:10,385 --> 00:25:13,656 Running, like, we even broke stuff. 467 00:25:13,756 --> 00:25:16,425 The song starts to blow up, 468 00:25:16,525 --> 00:25:18,594 and it happens so fast. 469 00:25:18,694 --> 00:25:20,429 Like, every week, it was going up. 470 00:25:20,529 --> 00:25:22,031 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 471 00:25:22,131 --> 00:25:25,067 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, pow! 472 00:25:25,167 --> 00:25:26,736 - And the song just takes off. 473 00:25:26,836 --> 00:25:28,270 It becomes a huge hit in Germany. 474 00:25:32,541 --> 00:25:34,944 - Nobody knew it was gonna be a hit. 475 00:25:35,044 --> 00:25:36,712 Not even Frank. 476 00:25:36,812 --> 00:25:38,914 But once he's seen it was rising, 477 00:25:39,014 --> 00:25:41,316 then he started putting more promotion into it. 478 00:25:41,416 --> 00:25:43,252 - Suddenly, we were in "Bravo," 479 00:25:43,352 --> 00:25:47,522 a youth magazine in Germany, selling millions every week. 480 00:25:47,623 --> 00:25:50,059 People that were not taking us seriously 481 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:53,028 were suddenly like, "Hey." 482 00:25:53,128 --> 00:25:55,430 And now it's going through Europe. 483 00:25:55,530 --> 00:25:59,134 So we travel up and down Europe on television. 484 00:26:00,469 --> 00:26:01,871 We were nervous. 485 00:26:01,971 --> 00:26:03,438 "Can you drop your mic a little bit?" 486 00:26:03,538 --> 00:26:05,274 No, I'm gonna keep it there. [laughs] 487 00:26:05,374 --> 00:26:07,076 * 488 00:26:07,176 --> 00:26:10,946 But nervousness translated into excitement. 489 00:26:11,046 --> 00:26:15,651 * 490 00:26:15,751 --> 00:26:18,453 A minute ago, we didn't want to do this, 491 00:26:18,553 --> 00:26:21,156 but now, we want more. 492 00:26:21,256 --> 00:26:22,958 We were so pumped. 493 00:26:23,058 --> 00:26:25,861 You're in Italy, you're in Spain, 494 00:26:25,961 --> 00:26:27,462 you're in Holland. 495 00:26:27,562 --> 00:26:30,099 - And then all of a sudden, it hits the States. 496 00:26:30,933 --> 00:26:31,967 Bam. 497 00:26:32,067 --> 00:26:34,336 [loud explosion] 498 00:26:34,436 --> 00:26:37,372 [rock music] 499 00:26:37,472 --> 00:26:39,608 - * I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind * 500 00:26:39,709 --> 00:26:42,144 * You're the one I think about most every time * 501 00:26:42,244 --> 00:26:44,680 * And when you pack a smile in everything you do * 502 00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:47,016 * Don't you understand, girl, this love is true * 503 00:26:47,116 --> 00:26:50,619 - They came in, braids swinging... 504 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,654 - Chest bumping... 505 00:26:52,755 --> 00:26:54,423 with tights on. 506 00:26:54,523 --> 00:26:58,093 - It was two Black dudes with dreads coming into pop. 507 00:26:58,193 --> 00:27:01,096 That alone was the shock factor. 508 00:27:01,196 --> 00:27:04,700 - * Girl, you know it's true 509 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,770 * Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 510 00:27:07,870 --> 00:27:10,840 - The hair and the bandannas and the shoulder pads. 511 00:27:10,940 --> 00:27:12,541 - * Yes, you know it's true 512 00:27:12,641 --> 00:27:14,476 - It was a totally different style. 513 00:27:14,576 --> 00:27:17,079 both: * Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 514 00:27:17,179 --> 00:27:18,848 - That's all we knew. - They had it all. 515 00:27:18,948 --> 00:27:20,549 Like, their visuals were on point. 516 00:27:20,649 --> 00:27:22,684 - I mean, they were just eye candy. 517 00:27:22,785 --> 00:27:25,287 It was yummy, yummy, yummy. 518 00:27:25,387 --> 00:27:28,457 [upbeat funk music] 519 00:27:28,557 --> 00:27:30,559 - "Girl You Know It's True" becomes the number two hit 520 00:27:30,659 --> 00:27:31,727 in the United States. 521 00:27:31,827 --> 00:27:33,495 - "Girl You Know It's True," number two. 522 00:27:33,595 --> 00:27:36,031 Oh, my God. 523 00:27:36,131 --> 00:27:40,535 - It became a top five hit in 23 countries around the world. 524 00:27:40,635 --> 00:27:43,906 That's Michael Jackson level success. 525 00:27:44,006 --> 00:27:45,507 - Ah! 526 00:27:45,607 --> 00:27:46,675 [energizing music] 527 00:27:46,776 --> 00:27:48,510 - Great music, it just rises. 528 00:27:48,610 --> 00:27:52,414 When those special ones come, they come. 529 00:27:52,514 --> 00:27:55,650 - As much as it wasn't the right thing to do, 530 00:27:55,751 --> 00:27:58,253 the power of "Girl You Know It's True"... 531 00:27:58,353 --> 00:28:00,022 * I'm so in love, girl 532 00:28:00,122 --> 00:28:01,123 Was pulling on us. 533 00:28:01,223 --> 00:28:02,724 * I'm so in love, girl 534 00:28:02,825 --> 00:28:04,193 * 535 00:28:04,293 --> 00:28:08,430 This energy, this hype... - Do you want to party? 536 00:28:08,530 --> 00:28:11,733 - The love... [loud cheering] 537 00:28:11,834 --> 00:28:15,070 So from that point on, 538 00:28:15,170 --> 00:28:18,207 we embraced the lie. 539 00:28:46,768 --> 00:28:48,637 - What's up? - Running. 540 00:28:48,737 --> 00:28:50,472 - Yeah. 541 00:28:50,572 --> 00:28:53,275 Number one. [music playing] 542 00:28:53,375 --> 00:28:54,409 - Every time we were around people 543 00:28:54,509 --> 00:28:55,878 or, like, taking pictures... 544 00:28:55,978 --> 00:28:57,279 - OK. 545 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,549 - We knew, you know, you know. 546 00:29:00,649 --> 00:29:02,417 They don't know. Do they know? I don't know. 547 00:29:05,687 --> 00:29:08,790 - But it was too difficult to say no to this new life. 548 00:29:08,891 --> 00:29:12,394 [music playing] 549 00:29:12,494 --> 00:29:16,565 "Girl You Know It's True" just unveiled the beast in us. 550 00:29:22,504 --> 00:29:23,605 - Yeah. 551 00:29:24,907 --> 00:29:29,444 * 552 00:29:29,544 --> 00:29:31,780 - We came from nothing and now we were tasting 553 00:29:31,881 --> 00:29:33,883 this pop star life. 554 00:29:33,983 --> 00:29:36,451 To be adored, to be loved, 555 00:29:36,551 --> 00:29:39,754 that became very addictive. 556 00:30:02,777 --> 00:30:04,146 - I was nervous. 557 00:30:04,246 --> 00:30:10,285 Being caught was something that was always, always very aware. 558 00:30:10,385 --> 00:30:12,888 - So, when will we have your LP? 559 00:30:12,988 --> 00:30:15,490 - Gonna come out in two weeks. 560 00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:20,362 It's just like very pop dance orientated music. 561 00:30:20,462 --> 00:30:22,664 Are you ready here? [cheers] 562 00:30:24,766 --> 00:30:28,570 - For us, it was a surprise that it developed immediately. 563 00:30:28,670 --> 00:30:30,872 It was worthwhile thinking about what you can do. 564 00:30:30,973 --> 00:30:34,043 Do we need an album? Yes, we need an album. 565 00:30:34,143 --> 00:30:37,212 Do we need a second single? Yes, we need a second single. 566 00:30:37,312 --> 00:30:43,118 [soft dark music] 567 00:30:43,218 --> 00:30:45,420 - I get the call. 568 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,989 "Frank needs to talk to you." 569 00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:51,126 So I goes up to the studio, 570 00:30:51,226 --> 00:30:54,463 Ingrid opened the door, I go in. 571 00:30:54,563 --> 00:30:55,697 Sit in the kitchen and wait. 572 00:30:55,797 --> 00:30:58,600 * 573 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:03,138 He came out--took his time, fixed him a coffee-- 574 00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:05,607 and then he said, 575 00:31:05,707 --> 00:31:08,777 "I told you, keep your mouth shut." 576 00:31:08,877 --> 00:31:12,014 * 577 00:31:12,114 --> 00:31:16,251 He says to me, um, "They found out in Munich, 578 00:31:16,351 --> 00:31:18,787 "from your promotion manager or whoever, 579 00:31:18,887 --> 00:31:21,756 "that you're the voice. 580 00:31:21,856 --> 00:31:23,858 Don't want to see you here anymore." 581 00:31:23,959 --> 00:31:25,727 We didn't talk anymore. 582 00:31:25,827 --> 00:31:29,464 That's it. 583 00:31:29,564 --> 00:31:34,403 I was kicked to the curb. 584 00:31:34,503 --> 00:31:37,272 [mysterious music] 585 00:31:37,372 --> 00:31:39,975 - One night, Frank Farian called me up. 586 00:31:40,075 --> 00:31:42,944 He said, "John, I've got a project I'm working on." 587 00:31:44,846 --> 00:31:49,618 "I had a rapper, Charles Shaw, who tried the situation 588 00:31:49,718 --> 00:31:53,755 and he was not good so can you come to the studio?" 589 00:31:53,855 --> 00:31:56,091 * 590 00:31:56,191 --> 00:31:58,393 So that's what I did. 591 00:31:58,493 --> 00:32:00,762 He said, "You got 10,000 D-marks," 592 00:32:00,862 --> 00:32:02,831 and I said, "Wow." 593 00:32:02,931 --> 00:32:05,934 He said, "You're gonna do the whole album with me." 594 00:32:06,035 --> 00:32:09,604 - Frank said, "We're gonna be doing more songs." 595 00:32:09,704 --> 00:32:11,840 - We always asked, "Where is Rob and Fab? 596 00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:13,908 When are they gonna start singing?" 597 00:32:14,009 --> 00:32:16,245 Frank said, "They're gonna record in the evening 598 00:32:16,345 --> 00:32:17,812 when you guys are done." 599 00:32:36,565 --> 00:32:39,201 - I used to have to go through the back door 600 00:32:39,301 --> 00:32:41,270 because Frank didn't want nobody know 601 00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:43,572 I was the lead singer. 602 00:32:43,672 --> 00:32:45,974 - This is run like a tight military operation. 603 00:32:46,075 --> 00:32:48,543 It's on a need-to-know basis. 604 00:32:48,643 --> 00:32:50,979 It was smoke and mirrors. 605 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,517 David Copperfield couldn't have done it better. 606 00:32:55,617 --> 00:32:58,820 - We like it hot, don't we? [cheers and applause] 607 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,523 You want to get down with Milli Vanilli? 608 00:33:01,623 --> 00:33:04,193 They're coming. It's a hit. Shake your booty. 609 00:33:04,293 --> 00:33:06,828 "Girl You Know It's True." 610 00:33:06,928 --> 00:33:09,864 [energetic music] 611 00:33:09,964 --> 00:33:17,072 * 612 00:33:17,672 --> 00:33:18,873 - One, mark. - Mark. 613 00:33:18,973 --> 00:33:21,310 [boards click] 614 00:33:21,410 --> 00:33:23,645 - Make sure everyone's phone's on silent. 615 00:33:23,745 --> 00:33:25,147 - That's a good idea. 616 00:33:25,247 --> 00:33:30,819 * 617 00:33:30,919 --> 00:33:34,456 - Clive is a-- is a gift-seeker. 618 00:33:34,556 --> 00:33:38,393 He is like the Yoda of talent. 619 00:33:38,493 --> 00:33:40,028 He knows. 620 00:33:40,129 --> 00:33:42,397 He just knows. 621 00:33:42,497 --> 00:33:45,800 - With Milli Vanilli, Clive saw dollar signs. 622 00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:47,969 "Girl You Know It's True" is big now. 623 00:33:48,069 --> 00:33:50,972 How can we cash in on the immediate moment? 624 00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:54,243 - Well, we moved everything up as fast as possible. 625 00:33:54,343 --> 00:33:57,078 - Clive would say every week that we're missing, 626 00:33:57,179 --> 00:33:59,381 we're missing, like, a million dollars. 627 00:33:59,481 --> 00:34:02,617 So we had to put an album in motion. 628 00:34:02,717 --> 00:34:05,887 But the album that's out in Europe, "All or Nothing," 629 00:34:05,987 --> 00:34:09,958 was not strong enough to release in America. 630 00:34:10,058 --> 00:34:12,527 - Clive called up Diane Warren. 631 00:34:12,627 --> 00:34:14,363 - Diane Warren is one of the biggest songwriters 632 00:34:14,463 --> 00:34:15,630 there are in the country. 633 00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:17,799 - I had written "Blame It On The Rain" 634 00:34:17,899 --> 00:34:19,368 when I was scheduled to see Clive, 635 00:34:19,468 --> 00:34:21,736 and he goes, I want you to hear this new group I have. 636 00:34:21,836 --> 00:34:23,305 And he played me "Girl You Know It's True." 637 00:34:23,405 --> 00:34:24,606 I'm like, "This is so crazy 638 00:34:24,706 --> 00:34:25,907 "'cause the song I'm bringing you 639 00:34:26,007 --> 00:34:27,409 really sounds like the follow-up to that." 640 00:34:27,509 --> 00:34:28,810 It's even the same rhythm. 641 00:34:28,910 --> 00:34:31,313 "Girl You Know It's True," "Blame It On The Rain." 642 00:34:31,413 --> 00:34:33,081 I played him the song and he loved it. 643 00:34:33,182 --> 00:34:35,917 He sent it to Frank Farian and they recorded it. 644 00:34:36,017 --> 00:34:38,553 * 645 00:34:38,653 --> 00:34:41,590 - Normally, when you've given the producer 646 00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:44,426 some repertoire for them to record, 647 00:34:44,526 --> 00:34:47,496 you want to be there to make sure it gets done. 648 00:34:47,596 --> 00:34:49,564 In the case of Frank, though, 649 00:34:49,664 --> 00:34:52,334 he didn't want anyone in the studio. 650 00:34:52,434 --> 00:34:55,136 [mysterious music] 651 00:34:55,237 --> 00:34:59,474 - It was very weird for us to find the songs, 652 00:34:59,574 --> 00:35:01,075 send them to Frank, 653 00:35:01,176 --> 00:35:06,748 and then have them produce it without any of our presence. 654 00:35:06,848 --> 00:35:11,186 But the speculation that we were somehow aware of 655 00:35:11,286 --> 00:35:14,289 what was going on behind the scenes in Germany 656 00:35:14,389 --> 00:35:17,792 is simply not the case. 657 00:35:17,892 --> 00:35:22,664 If an outside producer sends in all the album credits, 658 00:35:22,764 --> 00:35:24,266 you have to take it on faith 659 00:35:24,366 --> 00:35:27,802 that represents what actually happened in the studio. 660 00:35:27,902 --> 00:35:30,104 There was no reason to think not. 661 00:35:35,310 --> 00:35:36,845 - Ah, there it is. 662 00:35:36,945 --> 00:35:40,081 So this is the European version of the album "All or Nothing." 663 00:35:40,181 --> 00:35:43,318 You see Rob and Fab on the cover, the first album. 664 00:35:43,418 --> 00:35:45,654 That's their, like, running man logo. 665 00:35:45,754 --> 00:35:46,788 There they are on the back, 666 00:35:46,888 --> 00:35:49,724 shirtless, of course, 'cause why not? 667 00:35:49,824 --> 00:35:54,629 And let's see who's credited on this album. 668 00:35:57,566 --> 00:36:00,635 So it says musicians here, 669 00:36:00,735 --> 00:36:04,806 and I don't see Rob and Fab on here at all. 670 00:36:04,906 --> 00:36:10,412 So, backing vocals, Jodie and Linda Rocco, Charles Shaw-- 671 00:36:10,512 --> 00:36:11,946 produced by Frank Farian. 672 00:36:12,046 --> 00:36:15,384 But this is the truth in advertising version 673 00:36:15,484 --> 00:36:17,118 that doesn't have them on it. 674 00:36:17,218 --> 00:36:20,389 If I'm at a record label and I'm putting out this record, 675 00:36:20,489 --> 00:36:23,792 and I look at the vocalists and the guys who are on the cover 676 00:36:23,892 --> 00:36:26,528 are not listed in the liner notes, 677 00:36:26,628 --> 00:36:27,962 I'm gonna have some questions, you know? 678 00:36:28,062 --> 00:36:31,232 Like, that is a giant red flag for me. 679 00:36:36,004 --> 00:36:38,340 - That was the name of the European album. 680 00:36:41,576 --> 00:36:43,812 - Really? OK. I didn't know that. 681 00:36:43,912 --> 00:36:47,015 - So that's-- - [chuckles] 682 00:36:53,054 --> 00:36:54,255 - [laughs] I-- 683 00:36:54,356 --> 00:36:55,256 I don't know what to say to that. 684 00:36:57,926 --> 00:37:00,695 - Yeah, but we didn't release that record, so-- 685 00:37:05,467 --> 00:37:07,936 - Really? I forgot about that. 686 00:37:08,036 --> 00:37:11,072 ["Blame It On The Rain" playing] 687 00:37:11,172 --> 00:37:16,077 * 688 00:37:16,177 --> 00:37:19,914 - * Woo, blame it on the rain 689 00:37:20,014 --> 00:37:22,351 - * Rain - * Yeah, yeah 690 00:37:22,451 --> 00:37:24,753 * Blame it on the stars 691 00:37:24,853 --> 00:37:26,287 - * Stars - * Ooh 692 00:37:26,388 --> 00:37:28,289 - Rob Pilatus, my brother, 693 00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:31,125 he loved "Blame It On The Rain" because that was-- 694 00:37:31,225 --> 00:37:34,396 that was his thing. 695 00:37:34,496 --> 00:37:35,830 - * You said you didn't need her * 696 00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:39,100 - "Blame It On The Rain" is number one hit in 1989. 697 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,970 - They released "Baby Don't Forget My Number," number one. 698 00:37:42,070 --> 00:37:44,906 - "Girl I'm Gonna Miss You" is the third number one song. 699 00:37:45,006 --> 00:37:46,908 They have three number one smashes off that record. 700 00:37:47,008 --> 00:37:48,577 - That feels impossible. 701 00:37:48,677 --> 00:37:50,812 - * To satisfy your pride 702 00:37:50,912 --> 00:37:53,915 - And once you have three big hit singles, 703 00:37:54,015 --> 00:37:56,985 you're gonna sell a lot of albums. 704 00:37:57,085 --> 00:38:00,589 - If an artist sells 500,000 and went gold, that's terrific. 705 00:38:00,689 --> 00:38:02,323 [crowd screaming] 706 00:38:02,424 --> 00:38:05,860 - * You let her walk away 707 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,663 - If an artist sells a million albums, that's something. 708 00:38:08,763 --> 00:38:10,164 - * Got to blame it on something * 709 00:38:10,264 --> 00:38:11,800 - But 8 million? 710 00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:14,002 - It's one of the biggest debuts of all time. 711 00:38:14,102 --> 00:38:19,207 - * Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling * 712 00:38:19,307 --> 00:38:22,577 * Blame it on the stars that didn't shine that night * 713 00:38:22,677 --> 00:38:24,045 - To just come out of nowhere 714 00:38:24,145 --> 00:38:26,648 and have a number one debut album for seven weeks, 715 00:38:26,748 --> 00:38:29,083 well, that just was unheard of at the time. 716 00:38:29,183 --> 00:38:33,154 - * Blame it on the rain, yeah, yeah * 717 00:38:33,254 --> 00:38:37,225 - Debut album, hot right out of the gate. 718 00:38:37,325 --> 00:38:38,660 "Here's Milli Vanilli. 719 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,094 What do you want to do with it?" 720 00:38:40,194 --> 00:38:42,030 Well, we want to play it. We want to dance to it. 721 00:38:42,130 --> 00:38:43,532 We want to have fun with them. 722 00:38:43,632 --> 00:38:46,267 Can we get them in the studio? We want to meet them. 723 00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:51,406 - * Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling * 724 00:38:51,506 --> 00:38:53,174 * Blame it on the stars 725 00:38:53,274 --> 00:38:55,343 - At that point, what are we gonna do? 726 00:38:55,444 --> 00:38:58,713 Should we bring them over? Should they do the MTV tour? 727 00:38:58,813 --> 00:39:01,015 Then that all kicks in. 728 00:39:01,115 --> 00:39:03,151 - * Blame it on the rain 729 00:39:03,251 --> 00:39:06,087 - Labels saw we were growing in the charts in America. 730 00:39:06,187 --> 00:39:07,856 - * Blame it on the rain 731 00:39:07,956 --> 00:39:10,459 - Our presence was needed. 732 00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:12,160 [soft dark music] 733 00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:15,930 But Frank didn't want us to go to America. 734 00:39:16,030 --> 00:39:17,566 - Frank was apprehensive 735 00:39:17,666 --> 00:39:20,034 because of the big secret, obviously. 736 00:39:20,134 --> 00:39:23,271 - Frank was concerned that they would go to America 737 00:39:23,371 --> 00:39:25,940 and fuck up everything. 738 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,077 - America had our heart. 739 00:39:29,177 --> 00:39:33,347 "We want to go to the US. USA! USA!" 740 00:39:33,448 --> 00:39:35,484 [Tone Loc's "Funky Cold Medina" playing] 741 00:39:35,584 --> 00:39:37,986 * 742 00:39:38,086 --> 00:39:39,954 Coming to LA for us was like 743 00:39:40,054 --> 00:39:42,557 we're living the dream, we're doing things. 744 00:39:42,657 --> 00:39:43,892 - A'ight? - Kick it. 745 00:39:43,992 --> 00:39:46,828 - Hollywood, Malibu. 746 00:39:46,928 --> 00:39:49,498 The girls are hot there, too. Oof. 747 00:39:49,598 --> 00:39:51,600 * 748 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:53,234 - * Cold coolin' at a bar 749 00:39:53,334 --> 00:39:55,704 - We got a manager, Sandy Gallin... 750 00:39:55,804 --> 00:39:57,038 - * But like Mick Jagger said * 751 00:39:57,138 --> 00:39:58,573 - He was like a big player. 752 00:39:58,673 --> 00:39:59,874 - * I can't get no satisfaction * 753 00:39:59,974 --> 00:40:01,442 - He had Michael Jackson at the time, 754 00:40:01,543 --> 00:40:03,845 Dolly Parton--tons of people. 755 00:40:03,945 --> 00:40:05,013 That's why he had us, 756 00:40:05,113 --> 00:40:06,515 to handle people like Milli Vanilli. 757 00:40:06,615 --> 00:40:09,050 - * Funky Cold Medina 758 00:40:09,150 --> 00:40:11,319 - I was truly, in the beginning, a fan. 759 00:40:11,419 --> 00:40:13,454 I said to them, "You know, I've never been 760 00:40:13,555 --> 00:40:14,956 a manager before," 761 00:40:15,056 --> 00:40:19,093 and Rob said, "Well, we've never been pop stars before." 762 00:40:19,193 --> 00:40:22,163 I was like, "OK, here we go." 763 00:40:22,263 --> 00:40:23,998 [laughs] 764 00:40:25,399 --> 00:40:29,370 My first job was putting them on the MTV tour. 765 00:40:29,470 --> 00:40:32,006 - It was gonna be our first tour in America-- 766 00:40:32,106 --> 00:40:35,610 a 107 city tour in eight months-- 767 00:40:35,710 --> 00:40:37,812 so we had to put a band together. 768 00:40:37,912 --> 00:40:40,014 * 769 00:40:40,114 --> 00:40:41,883 - I was the band leader then. 770 00:40:41,983 --> 00:40:44,753 We had rehearsed, we were flawless. 771 00:40:44,853 --> 00:40:47,321 Everybody was really invested in this gig 772 00:40:47,421 --> 00:40:50,592 'cause it was the new hottest shit, you know? 773 00:40:50,692 --> 00:40:52,761 After we had been approved, 774 00:40:52,861 --> 00:40:56,831 Rob and Fab disappeared. They were gone. 775 00:40:56,931 --> 00:41:00,569 So we were just rehearsing with no artist. 776 00:41:00,669 --> 00:41:04,939 And I start going, "These guys must be really, really good. 777 00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:07,141 "They don't rehearse, they don't fucking do nothing. 778 00:41:07,241 --> 00:41:10,779 They-- what the hell's going on?" 779 00:41:10,879 --> 00:41:12,413 We started asking more questions. 780 00:41:12,513 --> 00:41:15,249 We got to realize, this musical director at the time 781 00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:19,654 is programming this Oberheim. There's where the vocals are. 782 00:41:19,754 --> 00:41:23,391 And then we understood, "Oh, they're lip-syncing." 783 00:41:23,491 --> 00:41:26,094 So we said, "OK, we're in a lip-sync band." 784 00:41:26,194 --> 00:41:27,562 [laughs] 785 00:41:27,662 --> 00:41:29,698 They said, "Don't say anything about this to anybody else." 786 00:41:29,798 --> 00:41:30,899 "Fine." 787 00:41:30,999 --> 00:41:33,902 [hip-hop music] 788 00:41:34,002 --> 00:41:38,239 - The show would play to packed arenas. 789 00:41:38,339 --> 00:41:43,377 Rob and Fab were two sexy performers selling hits, 790 00:41:43,477 --> 00:41:46,581 and they did a really bloody good job at it. 791 00:41:46,681 --> 00:41:51,352 [wild cheers and applause] 792 00:41:51,452 --> 00:41:54,422 ["Girl You Know It's True" playing] 793 00:41:54,522 --> 00:41:58,993 * 794 00:41:59,093 --> 00:42:04,699 - [screams] 795 00:42:04,799 --> 00:42:11,139 - Yeah! 796 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,843 * Girl, you know it's true 797 00:42:14,943 --> 00:42:20,982 * Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 798 00:42:21,082 --> 00:42:23,051 * Yes, you know it's true 799 00:42:23,151 --> 00:42:26,788 [wild cheers and applause] 800 00:42:26,888 --> 00:42:28,890 - The audience loved them. 801 00:42:28,990 --> 00:42:31,726 - Yeah! 802 00:42:31,826 --> 00:42:34,062 - It was very powerful. 803 00:42:34,162 --> 00:42:36,164 - * Girl, you know it's, girl, you know it's * 804 00:42:36,264 --> 00:42:38,566 * Girl, you know it's true 805 00:42:38,667 --> 00:42:41,002 * Girl, you know it's, yes, you know it's * 806 00:42:41,102 --> 00:42:44,605 * Girl, you know it's true 807 00:42:44,706 --> 00:42:48,476 - Performing is a drug. 808 00:42:48,576 --> 00:42:53,682 That euphoric feeling allowed us to just forget everything. 809 00:42:53,782 --> 00:43:00,521 * 810 00:43:03,024 --> 00:43:06,494 [wild cheering] 811 00:43:06,594 --> 00:43:08,529 - Milli Vanilli, the European duo, 812 00:43:08,629 --> 00:43:10,631 now one of the hottest groups in America, 813 00:43:10,732 --> 00:43:13,835 made a special trip to the Disney MGM Studios theme parks 814 00:43:13,935 --> 00:43:14,903 where we arranged for them to have 815 00:43:15,003 --> 00:43:16,470 an exclusive interview session 816 00:43:16,570 --> 00:43:18,707 with some of their most loyal fans. 817 00:43:18,807 --> 00:43:20,208 - Wherever you've performed, 818 00:43:20,308 --> 00:43:23,377 has anything really embarrassing happened to you? 819 00:43:23,477 --> 00:43:24,679 - Yeah. 820 00:43:24,779 --> 00:43:27,048 [laughter] 821 00:43:27,148 --> 00:43:29,984 [tense music] 822 00:43:30,084 --> 00:43:34,222 * 823 00:43:34,322 --> 00:43:36,424 - It was super hot that day. 824 00:43:36,524 --> 00:43:40,795 "Downtown" Julie Brown introduces us as usual. 825 00:43:47,802 --> 00:43:49,370 - I decided to take a break-- 826 00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:52,506 the show had been going now for a few months-- 827 00:43:52,606 --> 00:43:55,443 and it was while I was in my trailer 828 00:43:55,543 --> 00:44:00,148 I heard the crowd, like, getting a little bit rowdy. 829 00:44:00,248 --> 00:44:02,216 [crowd shouting and booing] 830 00:44:02,316 --> 00:44:04,853 - The vocals that were being cued from the emulator 831 00:44:04,953 --> 00:44:06,120 started repeating. 832 00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:07,588 * Girl, you know it's-- 833 00:44:07,688 --> 00:44:10,024 * Girl, you know it's-- girl, you know it's-- * 834 00:44:10,124 --> 00:44:11,893 * Girl, you know it's-- 835 00:44:11,993 --> 00:44:14,662 - It was like-- [imitating heartbeat] 836 00:44:14,763 --> 00:44:15,730 Shit! 837 00:44:15,830 --> 00:44:18,232 [crowd shouting and booing] 838 00:44:18,332 --> 00:44:22,203 - As I open my door, I saw Rob go flying by. 839 00:44:22,303 --> 00:44:25,273 - Rob and Fab were gone, and I'm onstage still with 840 00:44:25,373 --> 00:44:27,275 the guitar player and the drummer going "What the fuck? 841 00:44:27,375 --> 00:44:29,744 Do we continue the song on or what are we doing here?" 842 00:44:29,844 --> 00:44:31,379 [crowd booing] 843 00:44:31,479 --> 00:44:32,747 So, of course, there was outrage. 844 00:44:32,847 --> 00:44:34,015 I was furious. 845 00:44:34,115 --> 00:44:36,717 "What the fuck, you know? Find him!" 846 00:44:36,818 --> 00:44:39,854 - Rob was pissed. He was like, "Fuck that!" 847 00:44:39,954 --> 00:44:42,123 He lost his cool. 848 00:44:42,223 --> 00:44:44,759 - Rob had gotten hold of me to say, 849 00:44:44,859 --> 00:44:45,927 "I don't know what to do." 850 00:44:46,027 --> 00:44:47,661 You know, he was scared. 851 00:44:47,762 --> 00:44:49,964 * 852 00:44:50,064 --> 00:44:51,365 He kind of exploded. 853 00:44:51,465 --> 00:44:57,171 It was the moment where it just burst open. 854 00:44:57,271 --> 00:44:58,940 And at that time, we didn't know 855 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,011 what pressure he was feeling because we didn't know 856 00:45:03,111 --> 00:45:04,813 the load they were carrying. 857 00:45:04,913 --> 00:45:09,417 * 858 00:45:29,871 --> 00:45:33,307 [radio tuning] 859 00:45:33,407 --> 00:45:36,811 - * On the rain that was falling * 860 00:45:36,911 --> 00:45:37,912 - When Milli Vanilli blew up, 861 00:45:38,012 --> 00:45:39,413 I was a program director at 862 00:45:39,513 --> 00:45:44,318 WILD radio station, Boston. 1090 on the AM dial. 863 00:45:44,418 --> 00:45:49,123 The only Black station within miles 864 00:45:49,223 --> 00:45:51,625 of Boston, Massachusetts. 865 00:45:51,725 --> 00:45:53,061 [hip-hop music] 866 00:45:53,161 --> 00:45:56,430 The guys came to our radio station for our morning show. 867 00:45:56,530 --> 00:45:57,798 And I remember them sitting there, 868 00:45:57,899 --> 00:45:59,400 and when I heard them talk for the first time, 869 00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:01,903 I'm like, "Oh, they sound very different 870 00:46:02,003 --> 00:46:04,138 than they do on the record." 871 00:46:04,238 --> 00:46:05,339 [laughs and claps] 872 00:46:05,439 --> 00:46:07,808 - Please welcome Milli Vanilli. 873 00:46:07,909 --> 00:46:10,912 [wild cheering] 874 00:46:11,012 --> 00:46:13,547 - Once they started doing promotional dates, 875 00:46:13,647 --> 00:46:16,284 it became pretty clear that something was strange. 876 00:46:16,384 --> 00:46:17,919 - Fab, how are you finding Australia? 877 00:46:18,019 --> 00:46:19,353 You enjoying it? 878 00:46:22,056 --> 00:46:23,657 - Sydney? [laughter] 879 00:46:23,757 --> 00:46:25,559 Syd-ney. Syd-ney. 880 00:46:26,194 --> 00:46:29,898 - Melbourne. Melbourne. [laughter] 881 00:46:31,399 --> 00:46:35,103 - It just seemed that they weren't comfortable 882 00:46:35,203 --> 00:46:37,338 communicating in English. 883 00:46:37,438 --> 00:46:40,074 - Who inspired you the most, Rob? 884 00:46:40,174 --> 00:46:42,576 - Uh, diff--difficult. 885 00:46:42,676 --> 00:46:45,213 - You could tell they were sweating bullets. 886 00:46:45,313 --> 00:46:46,347 People were starting to, you know, 887 00:46:46,447 --> 00:46:48,016 giggle a little bit on the sides. 888 00:46:48,116 --> 00:46:49,617 - Fab, you speak English, right? 889 00:46:49,717 --> 00:46:52,353 - Yeah, I can, too. - Who are your--[laughs] 890 00:46:52,453 --> 00:46:54,788 - And it was easy to kind of latch on to that 891 00:46:54,889 --> 00:46:55,856 and make them a joke. 892 00:46:55,957 --> 00:47:00,061 - You are Germany, and I'm from French. 893 00:47:00,161 --> 00:47:01,930 - Oh. [laughter] 894 00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:03,664 [explosion] 895 00:47:03,764 --> 00:47:06,434 - There's a way that I think some people knew. 896 00:47:06,534 --> 00:47:10,671 - [mocking] * Blame it on the rain 897 00:47:10,771 --> 00:47:12,873 - Arsenio Hall is someone who had been around the business 898 00:47:12,974 --> 00:47:15,276 a long time and had seen a lot. 899 00:47:15,376 --> 00:47:17,278 - Man, I think Milli Vanilli doing crack. 900 00:47:17,378 --> 00:47:18,679 I don't think-- [laughter] 901 00:47:18,779 --> 00:47:20,548 - It seemed bad to a lot of these folks. 902 00:47:20,648 --> 00:47:23,017 - Those pants too tight. They going-- 903 00:47:23,117 --> 00:47:24,852 - They knew something was up. 904 00:47:24,953 --> 00:47:27,388 [cheers and applause] 905 00:47:27,488 --> 00:47:29,457 - Privately, I thought, like, 906 00:47:29,557 --> 00:47:32,426 you know, "Did they really sing everything?" 907 00:47:32,526 --> 00:47:34,328 - Girls! crowd: Girls! 908 00:47:34,428 --> 00:47:37,031 - Hey, boys! crowd: Hey, boys! 909 00:47:37,131 --> 00:47:40,001 - Yeah! crowd: Yeah! 910 00:47:40,101 --> 00:47:43,671 - * Girl, you know it's-- girl, you know it's true * 911 00:47:43,771 --> 00:47:45,706 * Ooh, ooh, ooh 912 00:47:45,806 --> 00:47:48,276 - * I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind * 913 00:47:48,376 --> 00:47:50,344 * You're the one I think about most every time * 914 00:47:50,444 --> 00:47:52,981 - We didn't sing on those records. 915 00:47:53,081 --> 00:47:55,349 - * Don't you understand, girl, this love is true * 916 00:47:55,449 --> 00:47:57,718 - We didn't even sound like those records. 917 00:47:57,818 --> 00:47:59,988 * 918 00:48:00,088 --> 00:48:02,856 We were lying. 919 00:48:02,957 --> 00:48:06,427 [soft dark music] 920 00:48:06,527 --> 00:48:09,630 [speaking French] 921 00:48:13,167 --> 00:48:15,036 Lies are taking the elevators 922 00:48:15,136 --> 00:48:18,006 while the truth takes the stairs. 923 00:48:18,106 --> 00:48:21,642 * 924 00:48:21,742 --> 00:48:24,878 I knew that at some point, the truth would rise. 925 00:48:24,979 --> 00:48:26,981 * 926 00:48:27,081 --> 00:48:30,018 They were gonna catch us at some point or another. 927 00:48:30,118 --> 00:48:31,719 * 928 00:48:36,724 --> 00:48:40,061 * 929 00:48:40,161 --> 00:48:43,564 This load on our shoulders, 930 00:48:43,664 --> 00:48:46,700 it was getting heavy and heavy and heavy. 931 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,702 [wild cheering] 932 00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:06,687 [wild cheering] 933 00:49:18,266 --> 00:49:21,735 [wild cheering] 934 00:49:24,572 --> 00:49:26,840 - I was a little bit tired by it, yeah. 935 00:49:36,617 --> 00:49:40,254 - We drank more, took more drugs, 936 00:49:40,354 --> 00:49:43,391 to be able to, like, numb out. 937 00:50:03,010 --> 00:50:05,479 - I think next time, next time, maybe-- 938 00:50:05,579 --> 00:50:07,047 should we ask them to sing next time? 939 00:50:07,148 --> 00:50:09,783 [wild cheering] 940 00:50:17,891 --> 00:50:19,960 - Um... 941 00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:23,464 This, uh.. 942 00:50:31,071 --> 00:50:34,007 [soft music] 943 00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:33,634 * 944 00:51:43,911 --> 00:51:47,315 - [shouts] 945 00:51:48,216 --> 00:51:50,351 - They got double platinum. They got gold records. 946 00:51:50,451 --> 00:51:52,986 * 947 00:51:53,086 --> 00:51:55,389 Everybody else got a gold record of my voice 948 00:51:55,489 --> 00:51:56,890 on their walls. 949 00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:58,526 * 950 00:51:58,626 --> 00:52:01,995 That's my voice! 951 00:52:02,095 --> 00:52:03,797 You end up drinking, 952 00:52:03,897 --> 00:52:07,368 you end up taking drugs to not think about 953 00:52:07,468 --> 00:52:09,970 what's really happening in reality. 954 00:52:10,070 --> 00:52:13,106 Then my manager that I had at that time said, 955 00:52:13,207 --> 00:52:15,075 "Well, you know what? 956 00:52:15,175 --> 00:52:19,280 We're gonna do interviews. You're gonna go live." 957 00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:20,948 I was singing before Milli Vanilli 958 00:52:21,048 --> 00:52:23,183 even thought about becoming stars. 959 00:52:23,284 --> 00:52:26,887 I went abroad and said it in a TV show, 960 00:52:26,987 --> 00:52:28,222 it's my voice. 961 00:52:28,322 --> 00:52:32,260 Music is from Frank Farian and not from Milli Vanilli. 962 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:39,300 * 963 00:52:40,368 --> 00:52:43,103 And Frank denied it all. 964 00:52:43,203 --> 00:52:46,340 His words were--I can remember them to the day-- 965 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,310 "This artist is a liar. 966 00:52:49,410 --> 00:52:52,079 "Look the way he's dressed. 967 00:52:52,179 --> 00:52:54,014 "The Black guy. 968 00:52:54,114 --> 00:52:55,549 He's just trying to make money." 969 00:52:55,649 --> 00:52:58,051 * 970 00:53:08,996 --> 00:53:10,097 - Ingrid! 971 00:53:10,197 --> 00:53:11,832 She said, "Frank don't want you to be 972 00:53:11,932 --> 00:53:15,068 "talking out there to nobody. Keep your mouth shut." 973 00:53:15,168 --> 00:53:16,437 "How could you say that? 974 00:53:16,537 --> 00:53:19,473 You're just trying to get publicity." 975 00:53:19,573 --> 00:53:22,276 Milli Vanilli fans? Oh, man. 976 00:53:22,376 --> 00:53:24,312 Death threats. 977 00:53:24,412 --> 00:53:29,517 "Your next show, this and this is gonna happen to you." 978 00:53:29,617 --> 00:53:31,619 - The phone rang and it was Charles Shaw. 979 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,354 And I didn't know who he was, 980 00:53:33,454 --> 00:53:35,389 and he said, "I'm the real singer of Milli Vanilli 981 00:53:35,489 --> 00:53:37,491 and you have to help me." 982 00:53:37,591 --> 00:53:39,527 So I called Sandy right away 983 00:53:39,627 --> 00:53:41,662 and I said, "I just got this weird call from this guy. 984 00:53:41,762 --> 00:53:42,863 He says he's the real voice." 985 00:53:42,963 --> 00:53:46,367 "Ah, just a crazy person. Just ignore it." 986 00:53:46,467 --> 00:53:49,136 - It didn't interest anybody. 987 00:53:50,037 --> 00:53:54,274 You get tired of trying to 988 00:53:54,375 --> 00:53:57,345 lead a jackass to water 989 00:53:57,445 --> 00:53:59,313 and make him drink it. 990 00:54:18,499 --> 00:54:21,769 [crowd cheering] 991 00:54:21,869 --> 00:54:23,971 - People wanted to believe 992 00:54:24,071 --> 00:54:25,739 they are really singing these songs 993 00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:27,808 because it was a good production. 994 00:54:27,908 --> 00:54:29,677 It was entertainment. 995 00:54:31,311 --> 00:54:34,081 - It's a magic trick pulled off in front of you onstage, 996 00:54:34,181 --> 00:54:36,283 and the audience usually wants to be deceived 997 00:54:36,384 --> 00:54:37,885 in a magic show. 998 00:54:37,985 --> 00:54:41,389 So if everyone benefits from a scam like that, 999 00:54:41,489 --> 00:54:42,856 including the audience, 1000 00:54:42,956 --> 00:54:45,559 it's very easy to look the other way. 1001 00:54:45,659 --> 00:54:46,794 - Everyone got his bonus, 1002 00:54:46,894 --> 00:54:49,129 everyone was happy to be successful, 1003 00:54:49,229 --> 00:54:52,032 and the people are happy to have this record. 1004 00:54:52,132 --> 00:54:57,270 We all together were in a very nice flow of success. 1005 00:54:57,371 --> 00:55:00,207 ["Money" playing] 1006 00:55:00,307 --> 00:55:02,075 - * Mo-mo-mo-money rules the world * 1007 00:55:02,175 --> 00:55:04,044 * It's still the same old greed * 1008 00:55:04,144 --> 00:55:06,680 - Successful music is a great money machine. 1009 00:55:06,780 --> 00:55:09,182 - Their videos are hot, their songs are hot. 1010 00:55:09,282 --> 00:55:11,118 - Singles, albums, maxi singles... 1011 00:55:11,218 --> 00:55:12,352 - Buy it now. 1012 00:55:12,453 --> 00:55:15,022 - The album made $580 million. 1013 00:55:15,122 --> 00:55:18,158 They had sold approximately 46 million records, global. 1014 00:55:18,258 --> 00:55:20,327 There was merchandise, keychains, 1015 00:55:20,428 --> 00:55:21,562 ticket sales to the concerts. 1016 00:55:21,662 --> 00:55:23,597 - It's Milli Vanilli. Milli Vanilli! 1017 00:55:23,697 --> 00:55:25,666 What a show. What a night. 1018 00:55:25,766 --> 00:55:27,468 - We're going to a Milli Vanilli concert. 1019 00:55:27,568 --> 00:55:31,672 - They could've recorded the alphabet, the phonebook. 1020 00:55:31,772 --> 00:55:33,941 You name it, they were selling it. 1021 00:55:34,041 --> 00:55:35,242 - Their logo is the running man 1022 00:55:35,342 --> 00:55:38,178 and it symbolizes the pursuit of success. 1023 00:55:38,278 --> 00:55:39,980 If they do any better next year, 1024 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,115 they're gonna have to find a new logo. 1025 00:55:42,215 --> 00:55:44,217 - At that time, Frank Farian was worth 1026 00:55:44,317 --> 00:55:45,986 almost half a billion. 1027 00:55:46,086 --> 00:55:49,189 - * Money rules the world and don't you love that cash? * 1028 00:55:49,289 --> 00:55:51,692 - They continued to steamroll through the end of the year. 1029 00:55:51,792 --> 00:55:54,227 - And the winner is... Milli Vanilli. 1030 00:55:54,327 --> 00:55:55,763 - They won three American Music Awards... 1031 00:55:55,863 --> 00:55:57,397 - Milli Vanilli. 1032 00:55:57,998 --> 00:55:59,667 - Milli Vanilli! 1033 00:55:59,767 --> 00:56:01,702 - This train was moving. 1034 00:56:01,802 --> 00:56:04,905 - Thank you to our producer, Frank Farian, 1035 00:56:05,005 --> 00:56:06,640 to our manager, Sandy Gallin. 1036 00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:08,776 - We'd like to thank Clive Davis. 1037 00:56:08,876 --> 00:56:10,844 - * Money rules the world 1038 00:56:10,944 --> 00:56:12,880 - Arista, BMG, 1039 00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:16,484 they were cashing in the bucks. 1040 00:56:16,584 --> 00:56:18,051 - * Money, money 1041 00:56:18,151 --> 00:56:19,953 - And the whole thing with Milli Vanilli 1042 00:56:20,053 --> 00:56:21,321 would have kept going if 1043 00:56:21,421 --> 00:56:24,892 they had not been nominated for the Grammys. 1044 00:56:27,828 --> 00:56:30,230 - Well, because-- no, but, see, 1045 00:56:30,330 --> 00:56:34,034 most everybody knew the secret, and I didn't. 1046 00:56:34,134 --> 00:56:35,603 They never told me this, 1047 00:56:35,703 --> 00:56:38,706 so I just assumed they sang, you know? 1048 00:56:38,806 --> 00:56:40,207 [hip-hop music] 1049 00:56:40,307 --> 00:56:43,043 So we're at a conference meeting and I said, 1050 00:56:43,143 --> 00:56:45,145 "I think Milli Vanilli could get nominated for a Grammy." 1051 00:56:45,245 --> 00:56:47,247 I thought "Blame It On The Rain" was a Grammy song. 1052 00:56:47,347 --> 00:56:49,316 They laughed at me and they're like, "Trust me, 1053 00:56:49,416 --> 00:56:52,586 Milli Vanilli's never gonna get nominated for a Grammy." 1054 00:56:52,686 --> 00:56:54,555 So I called National Academy of 1055 00:56:54,655 --> 00:56:56,089 Recording Arts and Sciences. 1056 00:56:56,189 --> 00:56:57,858 They put me right through to Mike Greene's office, 1057 00:56:57,958 --> 00:57:00,460 the president of NARAS. 1058 00:57:00,561 --> 00:57:03,396 I had no idea how somebody actually does get nominated, 1059 00:57:03,497 --> 00:57:05,398 and he said, "Oh, you just put it on 1060 00:57:05,499 --> 00:57:07,501 "your management company letterhead, 1061 00:57:07,601 --> 00:57:10,638 'please consider Milli Vanilli for a Grammy.'" 1062 00:57:10,738 --> 00:57:13,874 So I typed it up and faxed it off to the Academy. 1063 00:57:13,974 --> 00:57:16,276 Never thought another thing about it. 1064 00:57:16,376 --> 00:57:20,013 So when that ballot came out and Milli Vanilli was on it, 1065 00:57:20,113 --> 00:57:23,216 like, just everything hit the fan. 1066 00:57:23,316 --> 00:57:25,853 Clive called Sandy and threw a hissy fit, 1067 00:57:25,953 --> 00:57:28,589 and then Sandy called me absolutely furious, 1068 00:57:28,689 --> 00:57:30,691 like, "Look what you've done!" 1069 00:57:30,791 --> 00:57:32,359 I'm like, 1070 00:57:32,459 --> 00:57:34,595 "why doesn't anybody want them to have a Grammy award?" 1071 00:57:34,695 --> 00:57:37,698 [laughs] 1072 00:57:37,798 --> 00:57:41,969 [suspicious music] 1073 00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:45,038 - If Milli Vanilli had been nominated for 1074 00:57:45,138 --> 00:57:47,307 the lip-sync awards, that would've been fine, 1075 00:57:47,407 --> 00:57:51,945 but they got nominated for this prestigious musical award 1076 00:57:52,045 --> 00:57:53,981 and they were up against people who produce music 1077 00:57:54,081 --> 00:57:55,983 and write music and sing. 1078 00:57:56,083 --> 00:57:57,450 They were up against the Indigo Girls... 1079 00:57:57,551 --> 00:58:01,689 - * Closer I am to fine 1080 00:58:01,789 --> 00:58:03,657 - This incredible folk duo who sang 1081 00:58:03,757 --> 00:58:05,926 these beautiful, deep songs. 1082 00:58:06,026 --> 00:58:07,060 [Tone Loc's "Funky Cold Medina" playing] 1083 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,729 They were up against Tone Loc. 1084 00:58:08,829 --> 00:58:10,363 - * Funky Cold Medina 1085 00:58:10,463 --> 00:58:13,366 - Tone Loc made brilliantly constructed records, 1086 00:58:13,466 --> 00:58:16,069 full of incredibly clever rhythmic artifice. 1087 00:58:16,169 --> 00:58:18,171 - * Sweetness - Neneh Cherry, who had 1088 00:58:18,271 --> 00:58:21,274 a really interesting debut album and had a lot to say. 1089 00:58:21,374 --> 00:58:22,876 - * We always hang in a buffalo stance * 1090 00:58:22,976 --> 00:58:25,045 - * Back to life 1091 00:58:25,145 --> 00:58:29,382 - Soul II Soul changed the way R&B music sounded. 1092 00:58:29,482 --> 00:58:32,019 They changed the way music moved. 1093 00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:34,955 - And so, if I'm one of those artists, 1094 00:58:35,055 --> 00:58:36,489 I'm like, "These guys?" 1095 00:58:36,590 --> 00:58:39,292 * 1096 00:58:39,392 --> 00:58:44,297 - We knew that the Grammys were the highest standard. 1097 00:58:44,397 --> 00:58:47,167 [resonant music] 1098 00:58:47,267 --> 00:58:51,438 Then here we were, you know, Rob and Fab. 1099 00:58:51,538 --> 00:58:56,476 Not only that, they want us to perform live. 1100 00:58:56,576 --> 00:59:00,380 - I thought, how the hell are they going to do the Grammys 1101 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,982 when it's all live? 1102 00:59:06,486 --> 00:59:08,521 Live-sing. 1103 00:59:21,134 --> 00:59:24,304 - Michael Greene was the head of NARAS at the time. 1104 00:59:24,404 --> 00:59:29,042 I remember taking a picture with him, and him saying, 1105 00:59:29,142 --> 00:59:31,845 "Be sure you do it right tonight." 1106 00:59:31,945 --> 00:59:33,947 - [whistles] 1107 00:59:34,047 --> 00:59:36,183 Money, money, money makes the world go 'round. 1108 00:59:38,151 --> 00:59:43,490 [tense music] 1109 00:59:43,590 --> 00:59:45,192 - We're at the Shrine. 1110 00:59:45,292 --> 00:59:49,062 I remember getting out of the car and going in. 1111 00:59:49,162 --> 00:59:51,398 On that day, it was pressure. 1112 00:59:51,498 --> 00:59:52,499 [applause] 1113 00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:53,400 - Ladies and gentlemen, 1114 00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:56,003 Mr. Mike Greene. - Thank you. 1115 00:59:56,103 --> 00:59:57,805 This is a great night for music! 1116 00:59:57,905 --> 00:59:59,472 [applause] 1117 00:59:59,572 --> 01:00:01,341 - Yeah, boy! 1118 01:00:01,441 --> 01:00:04,411 - All the stars are in the building. 1119 01:00:04,511 --> 01:00:06,546 - Woo-hoo! 1120 01:00:07,881 --> 01:00:10,984 - Finally, it was our turn to be on that stage. 1121 01:00:11,084 --> 01:00:13,386 Cold sweat. [whistles] 1122 01:00:13,486 --> 01:00:15,055 - Well, girl, you know it's true. 1123 01:00:15,155 --> 01:00:18,258 It can only mean Milli Vanilli. 1124 01:00:18,358 --> 01:00:21,628 [fanfare] 1125 01:00:21,729 --> 01:00:23,163 - Hit it! 1126 01:00:23,263 --> 01:00:26,266 ["Girl You Know It's True" playing] 1127 01:00:26,366 --> 01:00:32,339 * 1128 01:00:32,439 --> 01:00:34,641 - * I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind * 1129 01:00:34,742 --> 01:00:37,177 * You're the one I think about most every time * 1130 01:00:37,277 --> 01:00:39,546 * And when you pack a smile in everything you do * 1131 01:00:39,646 --> 01:00:41,114 - Performing in front of the Grammys 1132 01:00:41,214 --> 01:00:44,351 with all those artists, that was nerve wracking. 1133 01:00:44,451 --> 01:00:47,855 - * And this is true - * Girl, you know it's true 1134 01:00:47,955 --> 01:00:51,759 - All those people who spent years of their lives 1135 01:00:51,859 --> 01:00:53,293 to get to this point, 1136 01:00:53,393 --> 01:00:55,295 and we got here pretty fast. 1137 01:00:55,395 --> 01:01:00,567 * 1138 01:01:00,667 --> 01:01:03,636 [cheers and applause] 1139 01:01:09,442 --> 01:01:11,578 - I remember sitting there, 1140 01:01:11,678 --> 01:01:14,281 and I think the entire industry knew at that time 1141 01:01:14,381 --> 01:01:16,316 that it wasn't them singing. 1142 01:01:16,416 --> 01:01:17,818 - [clears throat] That was great. 1143 01:01:17,918 --> 01:01:19,987 I was actually--I was supposed to be in that number. 1144 01:01:20,087 --> 01:01:22,355 I don't know what-- [laughter] 1145 01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:25,092 - When he called out the nominees, 1146 01:01:25,192 --> 01:01:27,460 you know, it was like, "Man." 1147 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,362 - This year, the nominees for Best New Artist 1148 01:01:29,462 --> 01:01:31,832 are making all kinds of music. 1149 01:01:31,932 --> 01:01:34,802 - Each one of them express themself in a unique way 1150 01:01:34,902 --> 01:01:37,070 that commands attention. 1151 01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:40,207 - Now, the nominees for Best New Artist are... 1152 01:01:41,108 --> 01:01:43,777 - Do Rob and Fab deserve the Grammy? 1153 01:01:43,877 --> 01:01:45,712 - Neneh Cherry. 1154 01:01:45,813 --> 01:01:47,881 - That's a tough one. 1155 01:01:48,849 --> 01:01:51,018 We didn't sing on the record, so... 1156 01:01:51,118 --> 01:01:52,252 - Indigo Girls. 1157 01:01:53,453 --> 01:01:54,687 - No. 1158 01:01:55,455 --> 01:01:56,189 But... 1159 01:01:56,289 --> 01:01:57,991 [tense music] 1160 01:01:58,091 --> 01:01:59,526 [cheers and applause] 1161 01:01:59,626 --> 01:02:00,861 - Milli Vanilli. 1162 01:02:00,961 --> 01:02:03,797 - For the pain and everything that we suffered... 1163 01:02:03,897 --> 01:02:05,298 - Soul II Soul. 1164 01:02:05,398 --> 01:02:07,868 - And the hard work that we put into, 1165 01:02:07,968 --> 01:02:09,202 do we deserve it? 1166 01:02:09,302 --> 01:02:10,603 - Tone Loc. 1167 01:02:10,703 --> 01:02:12,372 * 1168 01:02:12,472 --> 01:02:16,109 - A very small part of me says yes. 1169 01:02:16,209 --> 01:02:18,045 * 1170 01:02:18,145 --> 01:02:20,380 - And the Best New Artist is... 1171 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,450 - Rob and Fab deserved the Grammy. 1172 01:02:24,051 --> 01:02:25,118 - Milli Vanilli. 1173 01:02:25,218 --> 01:02:30,290 [cheers and applause] 1174 01:02:35,262 --> 01:02:36,763 "Oh, my God." 1175 01:02:36,864 --> 01:02:39,799 Frank goes, "Now, everybody's watching." 1176 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,343 [cheers and applause] 1177 01:02:51,578 --> 01:02:53,246 - Uh, we want to say thank you very much, 1178 01:02:53,346 --> 01:02:55,983 but we want to say there are a lot of artists 1179 01:02:56,083 --> 01:02:57,650 here in this room, 1180 01:02:57,750 --> 01:03:00,453 there are a lot of artists outside in the world 1181 01:03:00,553 --> 01:03:03,590 who could achieve the same award that we achieved today, 1182 01:03:03,690 --> 01:03:05,758 and it's an award for all artists in the world. 1183 01:03:05,859 --> 01:03:07,194 Thank you very much. 1184 01:03:07,294 --> 01:03:08,761 [cheers and applause] 1185 01:03:08,862 --> 01:03:11,298 - Thank you. 1186 01:03:11,398 --> 01:03:13,300 - It was a joke that went too far. 1187 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,369 And once they crossed that line into 1188 01:03:16,469 --> 01:03:20,540 something that people really care about, 1189 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,710 that was the beginning of the end for Rob and Fab. 1190 01:03:25,378 --> 01:03:27,680 - Once they won the Grammy... 1191 01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:30,183 * 1192 01:03:30,283 --> 01:03:33,686 Once they won the Grammy, 1193 01:03:33,786 --> 01:03:36,223 they hung they selves. 1194 01:03:36,323 --> 01:03:39,826 [cheers fading] 1195 01:03:42,429 --> 01:03:45,532 [mysterious music] 1196 01:03:45,632 --> 01:03:49,502 * 1197 01:03:49,602 --> 01:03:52,305 - The afterparty for the Grammys, 1198 01:03:52,405 --> 01:03:54,807 oh, man, we were already faded. 1199 01:03:54,908 --> 01:03:59,512 * 1200 01:03:59,612 --> 01:04:02,950 I remember having to listen to Mr. Clive Davis. 1201 01:04:03,050 --> 01:04:05,185 * 1202 01:04:05,285 --> 01:04:07,454 We were so high 1203 01:04:07,554 --> 01:04:09,322 that it took a lot of energy 1204 01:04:09,422 --> 01:04:12,092 to just keep the stuff together. 1205 01:04:12,192 --> 01:04:14,861 * 1206 01:04:14,962 --> 01:04:19,599 - Frankly, Rob and Fab didn't do themselves any favors. 1207 01:04:19,699 --> 01:04:21,935 * 1208 01:04:22,035 --> 01:04:25,939 They were just acting arrogant and, frankly, obnoxious. 1209 01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:42,655 "I have no time. Who's Paul McCartney?" 1210 01:04:42,755 --> 01:04:45,492 [hip-hop music] 1211 01:04:45,592 --> 01:04:49,596 - When they won, Rob and Fab were way up here, 1212 01:04:49,696 --> 01:04:51,864 these big stars that just won a Grammy. 1213 01:04:51,965 --> 01:04:53,033 And the bigger they got, 1214 01:04:53,133 --> 01:04:55,735 the more celebrity they became. 1215 01:04:57,370 --> 01:04:59,572 They had to have Avión in the limousine, 1216 01:04:59,672 --> 01:05:01,408 sushi in the dressing room. 1217 01:05:01,508 --> 01:05:04,211 - They wanted for nothing. 1218 01:05:04,311 --> 01:05:06,846 - The stardom made them crazy. 1219 01:05:06,946 --> 01:05:09,649 - Rob said, "Oh, can you turn on my voice?" 1220 01:05:09,749 --> 01:05:12,552 And Frank said, "It's not your voice!" 1221 01:05:12,652 --> 01:05:15,388 Believe it. It's Brad Howell's voice. 1222 01:05:15,488 --> 01:05:19,159 - He was singing with my voice during playback 1223 01:05:19,259 --> 01:05:21,294 and believing that's his own voice. 1224 01:05:21,394 --> 01:05:23,463 They were believing this. 1225 01:05:23,563 --> 01:05:26,499 - They started to forget the reality 1226 01:05:26,599 --> 01:05:28,401 that they didn't sing. 1227 01:05:28,501 --> 01:05:30,437 [tense music] 1228 01:05:30,537 --> 01:05:31,938 - So they were doing this interview one time 1229 01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:33,673 and they said they were better than The Beatles. 1230 01:05:33,773 --> 01:05:38,478 * 1231 01:05:38,578 --> 01:05:40,347 Think about waking up every day and knowing that 1232 01:05:40,447 --> 01:05:41,848 you don't sing any of the vocals, 1233 01:05:41,948 --> 01:05:43,683 and then saying you're better than The Beatles. 1234 01:05:43,783 --> 01:05:45,918 * 1235 01:05:46,019 --> 01:05:48,621 I mean, that takes, like, giant stones. 1236 01:05:48,721 --> 01:05:52,125 You've really gotta believe your own bullshit to say that. 1237 01:05:52,225 --> 01:05:55,628 They got caught up in it. 1238 01:05:55,728 --> 01:05:58,031 - At that point, they thought they had the power, 1239 01:05:58,131 --> 01:05:59,666 and they did, to some degree. 1240 01:05:59,766 --> 01:06:02,202 They said, you know, "We're in control now." 1241 01:06:02,302 --> 01:06:04,471 * 1242 01:06:04,571 --> 01:06:06,573 Millions and millions of dollars were at stake 1243 01:06:06,673 --> 01:06:09,942 and people depended on them. 1244 01:06:10,043 --> 01:06:12,279 Frank depended on them. 1245 01:06:12,379 --> 01:06:14,481 Clive depended on them. 1246 01:06:14,581 --> 01:06:18,118 Everybody depended on Milli Vanilli doing their job. 1247 01:06:18,218 --> 01:06:20,153 * 1248 01:06:20,253 --> 01:06:23,490 - Frank Farian was already preparing album number two, 1249 01:06:23,590 --> 01:06:25,192 "Keep On Running," and they wanted us 1250 01:06:25,292 --> 01:06:31,531 to get back to Germany to go promote the second album. 1251 01:06:31,631 --> 01:06:35,902 But Rob and Fab were done. 1252 01:06:36,002 --> 01:06:38,405 We wanted to sing. 1253 01:06:38,505 --> 01:06:41,007 We wanted to come out as singers. 1254 01:06:41,108 --> 01:06:45,412 [soft dark music] 1255 01:06:45,512 --> 01:06:49,316 - At Arista, we had a weekly luncheon 1256 01:06:49,416 --> 01:06:52,185 in the conference room. 1257 01:06:52,285 --> 01:06:55,788 One day, Clive got a call and he walked into the kitchen. 1258 01:06:58,358 --> 01:07:00,093 And then came back out and he goes, 1259 01:07:00,193 --> 01:07:04,164 "They want to sing on the second album." 1260 01:07:04,264 --> 01:07:08,435 And I remember him saying, "That's not gonna happen." 1261 01:07:16,276 --> 01:07:18,578 "Oh, but I would like to sing." 1262 01:07:18,678 --> 01:07:20,613 "Yeah, Rob, it's impossible. 1263 01:07:20,713 --> 01:07:22,682 "You cannot sing and Fab cannot sing, 1264 01:07:22,782 --> 01:07:24,651 so please stop talking." 1265 01:07:26,286 --> 01:07:30,623 - We couldn't continue to be his marionette. 1266 01:07:30,723 --> 01:07:32,825 Hey, listen. [flaps lips] 1267 01:07:32,925 --> 01:07:34,594 Done with this. 1268 01:07:34,694 --> 01:07:37,230 So we started to lawyer up, 1269 01:07:37,330 --> 01:07:39,432 and then that's when we found out 1270 01:07:39,532 --> 01:07:43,970 we signed a contract for multiple albums. 1271 01:07:44,070 --> 01:07:45,905 We had no clue. 1272 01:07:46,005 --> 01:07:50,143 So to get out of under the thumb of Frank Farian, 1273 01:07:50,243 --> 01:07:53,045 we played a game of cat and mouse. 1274 01:07:53,146 --> 01:07:54,581 * 1275 01:07:54,681 --> 01:07:58,084 Our MO was to hurt him. 1276 01:07:58,185 --> 01:08:01,154 Let's push him to a brink where he's gonna break, 1277 01:08:01,254 --> 01:08:03,956 and then he's gonna say, "You know what? I'm tired. 1278 01:08:04,056 --> 01:08:05,958 Go away." 1279 01:08:06,058 --> 01:08:07,594 You know, we didn't show up to the video of 1280 01:08:07,694 --> 01:08:09,696 "Keep On Running." 1281 01:08:09,796 --> 01:08:13,366 And we told him, "More money. More money." 1282 01:08:13,466 --> 01:08:15,067 He's like, "No, I'm not doing that! 1283 01:08:15,168 --> 01:08:16,869 What else do you want?" 1284 01:08:24,211 --> 01:08:27,280 They told Frank, "If you don't give us 150,000, 1285 01:08:27,380 --> 01:08:29,482 "we will go to the producer and telling them that 1286 01:08:29,582 --> 01:08:32,151 we are not the guys who singing on the tape." 1287 01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,843 ["Girl I'm Gonna Miss You" playing] 1288 01:08:56,943 --> 01:09:02,549 * 1289 01:09:02,649 --> 01:09:05,385 - The story broke in "The Los Angeles Times" 1290 01:09:05,485 --> 01:09:06,419 and all hell broke loose. 1291 01:09:06,519 --> 01:09:12,959 * 1292 01:09:16,729 --> 01:09:18,798 - Frank threw Rob and Fab under the bus. 1293 01:09:18,898 --> 01:09:22,535 - * I knew it from the start, you would break my heart * 1294 01:09:22,635 --> 01:09:25,805 * But still, I had to play this painful part * 1295 01:09:25,905 --> 01:09:28,308 * You wrapped me around your little bitty finger * 1296 01:09:44,857 --> 01:09:46,759 - He basically brushed it off and said, 1297 01:09:46,859 --> 01:09:48,027 "You know, yeah, they didn't sing..." 1298 01:09:48,127 --> 01:09:51,197 - * I just don't know what I should do * 1299 01:09:51,298 --> 01:09:52,999 - "And who cares?" 1300 01:09:58,438 --> 01:09:59,906 - Very quickly after that, 1301 01:10:00,006 --> 01:10:02,375 the whole train came off the tracks. 1302 01:10:02,475 --> 01:10:09,081 - * It's a tragedy for me to see the dream is over * 1303 01:10:09,181 --> 01:10:13,019 * And I never will forget the day we met * 1304 01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:14,654 * Girl, I'm gonna miss you 1305 01:10:14,754 --> 01:10:18,057 [ominous music] 1306 01:10:18,157 --> 01:10:20,593 - The pop music world's in shock tonight-- 1307 01:10:20,693 --> 01:10:22,228 - With the revelation that pop duo-- 1308 01:10:22,329 --> 01:10:23,563 - Milli Vanilli didn't sing. 1309 01:10:23,663 --> 01:10:25,031 - So, girl, you know it's not true. 1310 01:10:25,131 --> 01:10:28,000 - Well, I am shocked. [audience laughs] 1311 01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:30,803 - It was the lead-in story on all the news. 1312 01:10:30,903 --> 01:10:31,971 - More embarrassment today 1313 01:10:32,071 --> 01:10:33,873 for the pop singing group Milli Vanilli. 1314 01:10:33,973 --> 01:10:38,545 - Milli Vanilli turns out to be a lot of phony baloney. 1315 01:10:38,645 --> 01:10:41,648 - And it didn't just hit America; 1316 01:10:41,748 --> 01:10:43,115 it hit worldwide. 1317 01:10:51,824 --> 01:10:53,826 - One pop group this week has been involved in 1318 01:10:53,926 --> 01:10:55,428 a feverish controversy. 1319 01:10:55,528 --> 01:10:57,196 - And then NARAS got involved. 1320 01:10:57,296 --> 01:10:59,732 - There's too many doubts that have been cast now 1321 01:10:59,832 --> 01:11:02,869 for us not to go forward and try to find out the truth. 1322 01:11:02,969 --> 01:11:06,773 The credibility of the Grammy depends on it. 1323 01:11:06,873 --> 01:11:09,876 - Having to give back their Grammy, 1324 01:11:09,976 --> 01:11:15,214 it's the only time that has happened in music history. 1325 01:11:16,383 --> 01:11:18,217 - There was no recovering from that. 1326 01:11:18,317 --> 01:11:22,655 The only way that that could be ridden was to own it. 1327 01:11:22,755 --> 01:11:26,626 [indistinct chatter] 1328 01:11:26,726 --> 01:11:29,962 - Robert Pilatus and Fabrice Morvan. 1329 01:11:34,467 --> 01:11:36,168 - Come together. Come together. 1330 01:11:36,268 --> 01:11:38,371 - Come together, guys! - Right here! Right here! 1331 01:11:38,471 --> 01:11:40,940 - Right here. - Straight ahead. 1332 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,576 - Fabrice and me, we lived together in a project 1333 01:11:43,676 --> 01:11:46,145 with two other musicians in Munich. 1334 01:11:46,245 --> 01:11:48,681 We--we had nothing to eat. We weren't happy. 1335 01:11:48,781 --> 01:11:51,884 We wanted to be stars. We want to get up on top. 1336 01:11:51,984 --> 01:11:53,986 So suddenly, this guy gave us a chance and we took it. 1337 01:11:54,086 --> 01:11:55,655 He gave us a little bit money. 1338 01:11:55,755 --> 01:11:59,325 - We were young, naive, and we believed him. 1339 01:11:59,426 --> 01:12:01,193 It was an opportunity for us. 1340 01:12:01,293 --> 01:12:04,263 - We feel really, really sorry about our fans, 1341 01:12:04,363 --> 01:12:08,801 but we just hope that they understand that we were young, 1342 01:12:08,901 --> 01:12:11,337 that we just wanted to live the life the American way. 1343 01:12:19,078 --> 01:12:20,780 - Of course. Yeah. 1344 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,815 - You're absolutely right. I was seduced. 1345 01:12:22,915 --> 01:12:24,717 You have to understand we were seduced, 1346 01:12:24,817 --> 01:12:27,720 we were abused, and we felt very guilty, 1347 01:12:27,820 --> 01:12:28,888 and we're happy that it's over, you know? 1348 01:12:28,988 --> 01:12:31,090 We don't understand that it's us, 1349 01:12:31,190 --> 01:12:33,025 the two little guys from Germany, 1350 01:12:33,125 --> 01:12:35,227 the victims who has to play suddenly 1351 01:12:35,327 --> 01:12:37,964 the crux of a trial that we are not. 1352 01:12:45,905 --> 01:12:48,174 - I will describe it like this. 1353 01:12:48,274 --> 01:12:49,341 You get something, 1354 01:12:49,442 --> 01:12:51,377 but for that, you make a pact with the devil. 1355 01:12:55,948 --> 01:12:57,750 - I think you should go with this tape. 1356 01:12:57,850 --> 01:12:59,051 We give you each a tape. 1357 01:12:59,151 --> 01:13:01,287 You can take it to a scientist-- 1358 01:13:01,387 --> 01:13:03,556 - But you could-- 1359 01:13:03,656 --> 01:13:04,791 - OK, I demonstrate! 1360 01:13:04,891 --> 01:13:07,960 Fuck it. I do it. Let's do it. 1361 01:13:08,060 --> 01:13:11,464 * Girl, you know it's true 1362 01:13:11,564 --> 01:13:15,968 * Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 1363 01:13:16,068 --> 01:13:18,170 - * I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind * 1364 01:13:18,270 --> 01:13:20,439 * You're the one I think about most every time * 1365 01:13:20,540 --> 01:13:23,142 * When you crack a smile in everything you do * 1366 01:13:27,514 --> 01:13:29,148 - Yeah, I understand-- I really understand them. 1367 01:13:29,248 --> 01:13:31,150 I have to say I understand them. 1368 01:13:38,024 --> 01:13:40,960 - That's a good question, but-- - A lot of your fans-- 1369 01:13:41,060 --> 01:13:43,863 a lot of your fans will be very upset by the fact 1370 01:13:43,963 --> 01:13:47,033 that the only way you can explain the charade, 1371 01:13:47,133 --> 01:13:50,002 the farce, the fakery of the last year, two years, 1372 01:13:50,102 --> 01:13:52,071 is money. - It's not. 1373 01:13:52,171 --> 01:13:53,773 This is fame-- - There's no other reason. 1374 01:13:53,873 --> 01:13:56,208 That's the only pressure that Farian put on you, 1375 01:13:56,308 --> 01:13:58,044 was financial-- - Do you live in a project? 1376 01:13:58,144 --> 01:13:59,879 Did you live in a project? 1377 01:13:59,979 --> 01:14:03,049 We had no money, we wanted to be stars. 1378 01:14:03,149 --> 01:14:06,318 We think we are talented. We love to be onstage. 1379 01:14:06,418 --> 01:14:08,487 That's our first aim. It wasn't money. 1380 01:14:08,588 --> 01:14:11,123 If we wouldn't have accept that at the start, 1381 01:14:11,223 --> 01:14:12,959 we knew we would be still in Munich. 1382 01:14:13,059 --> 01:14:14,360 I would still work at the McDonalds. 1383 01:14:15,628 --> 01:14:17,163 - OK, thank you very much. 1384 01:14:17,530 --> 01:14:19,165 - Thank you very much. 1385 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:32,178 [indistinct chatter] 1386 01:14:42,021 --> 01:14:44,456 - They ate 'em up like sharks. 1387 01:14:45,357 --> 01:14:47,994 - They were the town spectacle. 1388 01:14:49,996 --> 01:14:52,131 - New weasel boys of the record world. 1389 01:14:52,231 --> 01:14:54,400 Did you know they were exposed for not actually appearing on 1390 01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:55,868 their Grammy-award winning record album? 1391 01:14:55,968 --> 01:14:57,269 - They do not sing... 1392 01:14:57,369 --> 01:14:58,838 - Do not sing on it at all. - On their own record. 1393 01:14:58,938 --> 01:15:01,574 - * Ooh, ooh, ooh, you are through * 1394 01:15:01,674 --> 01:15:03,542 [laughter] 1395 01:15:03,643 --> 01:15:07,346 - The response was swift and it was harsh. 1396 01:15:09,048 --> 01:15:10,917 They stopped playing on radio, 1397 01:15:11,017 --> 01:15:13,052 Arista Records took it out of circulation, 1398 01:15:13,152 --> 01:15:14,621 and then, to top it all off, 1399 01:15:14,721 --> 01:15:17,056 there were, like, two dozen class action lawsuits 1400 01:15:17,156 --> 01:15:18,758 from fans who were just pissed. 1401 01:15:18,858 --> 01:15:21,728 - A California woman who bought the album for her son 1402 01:15:21,828 --> 01:15:23,562 is suing to get a refund. 1403 01:15:23,663 --> 01:15:24,864 - When I listened to the music, 1404 01:15:24,964 --> 01:15:27,033 I would sort of picture them singing, 1405 01:15:27,133 --> 01:15:28,835 and that's--that's how I looked up to them. 1406 01:15:28,935 --> 01:15:31,170 - They sued them for fraud and racketeering. 1407 01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:32,872 - Listen carefully to this important message 1408 01:15:32,972 --> 01:15:34,240 about a pending Milli Vanilli lawsuit 1409 01:15:34,340 --> 01:15:37,176 that may affect your rights. 1410 01:15:37,276 --> 01:15:40,012 - I remember being surprised by the animosity, 1411 01:15:40,112 --> 01:15:41,814 and the amount of anger behind that 1412 01:15:41,914 --> 01:15:43,883 seemed outsized for what happened. 1413 01:15:43,983 --> 01:15:45,718 - I mean, Milli Vanilli, to be clear, 1414 01:15:45,818 --> 01:15:48,187 had a largely white audience, 1415 01:15:48,287 --> 01:15:51,390 so a part of the betrayal that was felt was, 1416 01:15:51,490 --> 01:15:53,159 "I can't believe I listened to these Black guys 1417 01:15:53,259 --> 01:15:54,393 singing these songs and it really wasn't them." 1418 01:15:54,493 --> 01:15:55,862 - You're gonna have a movie now, 1419 01:15:55,962 --> 01:15:58,264 "The Milli Vanilli Story." Is that beautiful? 1420 01:15:58,364 --> 01:16:00,800 I play Fab, one of the dudes in Milli Vanilli. 1421 01:16:00,900 --> 01:16:04,637 - * Girl, I love you - * I love you 1422 01:16:04,737 --> 01:16:08,140 - It was really ugly to see that sort of hostility 1423 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,910 directed at Rob and Fab. 1424 01:16:11,010 --> 01:16:12,645 - Rob Pilatus told "The LA Times" that 1425 01:16:12,745 --> 01:16:16,716 his family back in Germany was getting harassed as well. 1426 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,455 - Management was gone. 1427 01:16:23,555 --> 01:16:26,125 Label was gone. 1428 01:16:26,225 --> 01:16:28,494 - No representative of a major record company 1429 01:16:28,594 --> 01:16:32,832 would discuss them with CNN on camera. 1430 01:16:32,932 --> 01:16:35,501 - Frank came out of it unscathed. 1431 01:16:48,414 --> 01:16:52,118 - Rob and Fab deserved to be called out, certainly. 1432 01:16:52,218 --> 01:16:54,721 But it was weird that people didn't come down on 1433 01:16:54,821 --> 01:16:57,757 Frank and Arista and Clive 1434 01:16:57,857 --> 01:17:00,326 in the way that you would think. 1435 01:17:00,426 --> 01:17:02,161 There was plausible deniability, I think, 1436 01:17:02,261 --> 01:17:03,629 for Arista, anyway. 1437 01:17:03,730 --> 01:17:06,365 I mean, it was easy for them to say, "We didn't know," 1438 01:17:06,465 --> 01:17:08,600 and nobody could prove that they knew it, 1439 01:17:08,701 --> 01:17:10,803 so they got off the hook. 1440 01:17:27,253 --> 01:17:28,888 - I mean, I just know personally, 1441 01:17:28,988 --> 01:17:30,356 that we knew before the Grammys, 1442 01:17:30,456 --> 01:17:32,458 so there's no--there was no question about it. 1443 01:17:33,893 --> 01:17:35,227 - Yeah, maybe six months before. 1444 01:17:35,327 --> 01:17:38,397 [soft tense music] 1445 01:17:38,497 --> 01:17:40,666 * 1446 01:17:40,767 --> 01:17:42,969 "Why didn't anybody from the label speak out," 1447 01:17:43,069 --> 01:17:44,703 is that what you're asking me? 1448 01:17:44,804 --> 01:17:46,272 - Yeah. 1449 01:17:46,372 --> 01:17:48,207 - That's a-- that's a good question. 1450 01:17:48,307 --> 01:17:50,209 I mean, I can't-- 1451 01:17:52,311 --> 01:17:53,813 I have to answer truthfully, 1452 01:17:53,913 --> 01:17:56,548 and I would have to say that, 1453 01:17:56,648 --> 01:18:00,386 that, yeah, I believe that Clive felt that this 1454 01:18:00,486 --> 01:18:02,488 not only wasn't good for Arista, 1455 01:18:02,588 --> 01:18:05,391 but wasn't really good for his reputation 1456 01:18:05,491 --> 01:18:07,760 and for his, you know, history. 1457 01:18:09,829 --> 01:18:13,265 - The record company and industry has all of the power, 1458 01:18:13,365 --> 01:18:15,467 so they're gonna use everything they can 1459 01:18:15,567 --> 01:18:19,071 to point the direction at Rob and Fab. 1460 01:18:19,171 --> 01:18:20,807 "Don't look at, we sold these million records. 1461 01:18:20,907 --> 01:18:24,443 "Don't look at the fact that someone inside of our industry 1462 01:18:24,543 --> 01:18:27,179 "had to have known this was going on. 1463 01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:30,917 "No, it's these two guys who barely speak English. 1464 01:18:31,017 --> 01:18:33,252 It's their fault." 1465 01:18:48,167 --> 01:18:49,902 - Not only did Frank have no problem 1466 01:18:50,002 --> 01:18:52,304 exploiting Rob and Fab, 1467 01:18:52,404 --> 01:18:56,042 but he also seemed to think them foolish 1468 01:18:56,142 --> 01:18:59,411 and beneath him. 1469 01:18:59,511 --> 01:19:01,780 And just like his lineage of 1470 01:19:01,881 --> 01:19:06,252 treating Black artists as disposable, 1471 01:19:06,352 --> 01:19:11,123 he chose to get what he needed and disposed of them. 1472 01:19:11,223 --> 01:19:12,624 - We regret it. - We regretted it... 1473 01:19:12,724 --> 01:19:14,060 200,000 times. 1474 01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,828 Lying in front of my mom, 1475 01:19:15,928 --> 01:19:17,196 lying in front of the job. 1476 01:19:17,296 --> 01:19:18,664 - Everybody. - Lying in front of everybody. 1477 01:19:18,764 --> 01:19:21,868 - They were young, just like me, 1478 01:19:21,968 --> 01:19:24,904 looking to achieve something 1479 01:19:25,004 --> 01:19:27,239 in the music branch, 1480 01:19:27,339 --> 01:19:29,575 just like me. 1481 01:19:29,675 --> 01:19:32,211 So what do you do? 1482 01:19:32,311 --> 01:19:33,946 [soft resonant music] 1483 01:19:34,046 --> 01:19:39,185 You followed the light, but it's the wrong light. 1484 01:19:39,285 --> 01:19:42,889 At the end of the tunnel, the light goes out, 1485 01:19:42,989 --> 01:19:46,025 and what happens? 1486 01:19:46,125 --> 01:19:48,895 Don't nobody care. 1487 01:19:48,995 --> 01:19:50,963 * 1488 01:19:51,063 --> 01:19:54,633 It's just another scandal. 1489 01:19:54,733 --> 01:19:57,369 - And the number one new job for Milli Vanilli, "Who cares? 1490 01:19:57,469 --> 01:20:00,472 Just as long as we don't hear from them ever again." 1491 01:20:05,311 --> 01:20:08,214 [soft music] 1492 01:20:08,314 --> 01:20:10,482 * 1493 01:20:24,763 --> 01:20:29,335 * 1494 01:20:54,326 --> 01:21:01,000 * 1495 01:21:02,068 --> 01:21:04,136 - Just when you thought there couldn't possibly be 1496 01:21:04,236 --> 01:21:05,571 another twist to the story-- 1497 01:21:17,749 --> 01:21:20,719 - So, you know, the thing about Frank, 1498 01:21:20,819 --> 01:21:22,721 he's always a step ahead of everybody, right? 1499 01:21:22,821 --> 01:21:25,191 [funky pop music] 1500 01:21:25,291 --> 01:21:27,459 He had already recorded the second record, 1501 01:21:27,559 --> 01:21:29,028 and he dropped it, 1502 01:21:29,128 --> 01:21:31,163 like, right after this whole thing blew up. 1503 01:21:31,263 --> 01:21:34,533 * 1504 01:21:34,633 --> 01:21:36,568 - Frank Farian called me up and said, 1505 01:21:36,668 --> 01:21:40,206 "John, now you and Brad are gonna be stars of the show." 1506 01:21:40,306 --> 01:21:42,474 * Elaborate on the microphone 1507 01:21:42,574 --> 01:21:44,376 * Pumping some knowledge 'cause my brain ain't stoned * 1508 01:21:44,476 --> 01:21:46,012 - It's called The Real Milli Vanilli, 1509 01:21:46,112 --> 01:21:48,347 "The Moment of Truth." 1510 01:21:48,447 --> 01:21:52,318 But again, it's all another facade. 1511 01:21:52,418 --> 01:21:53,919 This guy was never in the band. 1512 01:21:54,020 --> 01:21:56,722 He's just another guy who Frank recruited. 1513 01:21:56,822 --> 01:21:58,824 - That girl had nothing to do with the first album, 1514 01:21:58,924 --> 01:22:01,227 she had nothing to do with the second album. 1515 01:22:01,327 --> 01:22:04,863 - We are still on that album, Jodie and I. 1516 01:22:04,963 --> 01:22:09,335 But Frank said, no touring, no video, no being seen. 1517 01:22:09,435 --> 01:22:11,603 - * Listen to what he says 1518 01:22:11,703 --> 01:22:12,838 - "Linda, hope you understand. 1519 01:22:12,938 --> 01:22:14,240 "I have a certain look that I want. 1520 01:22:14,340 --> 01:22:15,741 You're not Black." 1521 01:22:15,841 --> 01:22:17,943 - * I'm not into bragging, strutting, or bigotry * 1522 01:22:18,044 --> 01:22:19,811 * Or bigotry 1523 01:22:19,911 --> 01:22:22,348 - Don't ask me how I felt. Well, go ahead, ask me. 1524 01:22:22,448 --> 01:22:24,216 - Yeah, how did you feel? - I felt horrible! 1525 01:22:24,316 --> 01:22:26,018 - Oh, I was incensed. 1526 01:22:26,118 --> 01:22:29,755 - * Keep on running, baby 1527 01:22:29,855 --> 01:22:32,124 - You've got to be kidding me. 1528 01:22:32,224 --> 01:22:34,926 It was almost as big a lie as the first Milli Vanilli. 1529 01:22:35,027 --> 01:22:36,528 - * Keep on running 1530 01:22:36,628 --> 01:22:39,031 - This was Frank's MO. - * Baby 1531 01:22:39,131 --> 01:22:40,966 - He already did Boney M., 1532 01:22:41,067 --> 01:22:44,736 and then Milli Vanilli, and he's like, "Hey, man, 1533 01:22:44,836 --> 01:22:46,772 this is my 'Fast and Furious 10'." 1534 01:22:46,872 --> 01:22:48,274 I'm just gonna keep making these things 1535 01:22:48,374 --> 01:22:50,376 because you love 'em," 1536 01:22:50,476 --> 01:22:54,080 so why would he change his stripes? 1537 01:22:54,180 --> 01:22:58,050 [applause] 1538 01:22:58,150 --> 01:23:01,253 - Do you know what they are doing now, Rob and Fab? 1539 01:23:01,353 --> 01:23:02,988 - Well, they have a new single out-- 1540 01:23:03,089 --> 01:23:05,257 - It's not out yet. - It's not out actually. 1541 01:23:05,357 --> 01:23:06,792 They don't-- they don't have a label. 1542 01:23:06,892 --> 01:23:08,894 A lot of record companies are scared to touch them right now 1543 01:23:08,994 --> 01:23:11,163 because, well, if you know somebody can't sing, 1544 01:23:11,263 --> 01:23:12,464 why produce them? 1545 01:23:12,564 --> 01:23:14,966 - So you want to sing a little bit for us? 1546 01:23:15,067 --> 01:23:17,469 - Yeah, we come in here with our live band 1547 01:23:17,569 --> 01:23:18,570 and we would love to sing. 1548 01:23:18,670 --> 01:23:20,038 - No, how about right now? 1549 01:23:20,139 --> 01:23:21,440 Sing something off your album. 1550 01:23:21,540 --> 01:23:23,909 - Um... - [clears throat] 1551 01:23:24,009 --> 01:23:25,811 - Some of the verse from the first single? 1552 01:23:25,911 --> 01:23:28,414 - Uh, yeah, OK. 1553 01:23:28,514 --> 01:23:31,016 * Girl Back together. 1554 01:23:31,117 --> 01:23:32,318 - * Girl 1555 01:23:32,418 --> 01:23:36,555 both: * Do you want to get it on 1556 01:23:36,655 --> 01:23:40,659 * Then tell me now 1557 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,330 - Now Rob and Fab are courageously trying to 1558 01:23:44,430 --> 01:23:46,932 make a comeback, real voices and all. 1559 01:23:47,032 --> 01:23:50,236 both: * I just want to be your everything * 1560 01:23:50,336 --> 01:23:52,838 - For the last year, they've been working on a new album, 1561 01:23:52,938 --> 01:23:55,341 on the dance steps, and on the singing. 1562 01:23:55,441 --> 01:23:57,609 They've got a new sexy video. 1563 01:23:57,709 --> 01:24:01,580 - * Girl, can you tell me now 1564 01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,216 * Straight up what's up 1565 01:24:04,316 --> 01:24:06,352 -* So what's a man supposed to do * 1566 01:24:06,452 --> 01:24:11,757 * Oh - * Do you want to get it on 1567 01:24:12,958 --> 01:24:15,594 - So this is the "We Can Get It On" 1568 01:24:15,694 --> 01:24:19,265 12 inch LP single by Rob & Fab. 1569 01:24:19,365 --> 01:24:21,400 They're just, like, badasses, you know? 1570 01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:23,435 They're like, "Yeah, we're hot. We know it." 1571 01:24:23,535 --> 01:24:24,703 [laughs] 1572 01:24:26,138 --> 01:24:30,075 The expectation of the record was based on curiosity alone 1573 01:24:30,176 --> 01:24:33,745 they could sell a million copies of the record. 1574 01:24:33,845 --> 01:24:38,884 But the Rob & Fab album sold 2,000 copies worldwide, 1575 01:24:38,984 --> 01:24:42,754 which is not good. 1576 01:24:42,854 --> 01:24:45,724 - By the time the Rob & Fab record came out, 1577 01:24:45,824 --> 01:24:48,059 people were just not that interested 1578 01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:49,361 in the spectacle anymore. 1579 01:24:49,461 --> 01:24:52,564 * 1580 01:25:07,746 --> 01:25:14,420 - That's when we...grew apart. 1581 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:18,724 Rob was going in his own tunnel 1582 01:25:18,824 --> 01:25:21,627 and didn't want to come out, really. 1583 01:25:39,611 --> 01:25:44,182 - The team Rob and Fab had fractured. 1584 01:25:44,283 --> 01:25:49,655 He didn't see me as-- as his brother anymore. 1585 01:25:49,755 --> 01:25:52,023 And that hurt. 1586 01:26:24,256 --> 01:26:26,124 - Now, where have you been for the past six years? 1587 01:26:26,224 --> 01:26:28,059 - Well, the past six years, I was in Los Angeles 1588 01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:29,661 undercover, you know, doing my thing. 1589 01:26:29,761 --> 01:26:31,229 - You have an accent. Where are you from? 1590 01:26:31,330 --> 01:26:32,230 - I'm from Paris. I'm French. 1591 01:26:32,331 --> 01:26:33,565 - From Paris. - Yeah. 1592 01:26:33,665 --> 01:26:35,301 - Now, listen, you've got some new music... 1593 01:26:35,401 --> 01:26:36,668 - That's true, yeah. 1594 01:26:36,768 --> 01:26:38,837 - And you are actually singing on this damn thing. 1595 01:26:38,937 --> 01:26:40,706 - That's right. - Yeah. 1596 01:26:40,806 --> 01:26:42,908 Put it together for Fabrice Morvan. 1597 01:26:43,008 --> 01:26:44,710 ["Love Revolution" playing] 1598 01:26:44,810 --> 01:26:47,779 - * Come on, children 1599 01:26:47,879 --> 01:26:50,516 both: * If you see what I see 1600 01:26:50,616 --> 01:26:52,918 * And you know what I feel 1601 01:26:53,018 --> 01:26:55,053 - For me, performing was vindication. 1602 01:26:55,153 --> 01:26:58,690 both: * And we'll find a solution 1603 01:26:58,790 --> 01:27:01,793 - I was able to, like, blossom as a singer 1604 01:27:01,893 --> 01:27:04,129 and do what I was supposed to do in the first place. 1605 01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:10,336 * Everybody, join the love revolution * 1606 01:27:10,436 --> 01:27:12,538 [cheers and applause] 1607 01:27:12,638 --> 01:27:14,340 - Lovely! - Come on. 1608 01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:15,707 - Hi, baby. - Hi. 1609 01:27:15,807 --> 01:27:18,176 - Hey, listen. Do you ever see Rob anymore? 1610 01:27:18,276 --> 01:27:20,512 - Well, we don't talk as much as we used to 1611 01:27:20,612 --> 01:27:21,647 because he's doing his own thing, 1612 01:27:21,747 --> 01:27:22,781 I'm doing my own thing, you know? 1613 01:27:22,881 --> 01:27:24,215 We kind of went apart, you know? 1614 01:27:24,316 --> 01:27:26,084 Bands broke up and they do their own thing. 1615 01:27:26,184 --> 01:27:27,419 - Sure. - That's what happened. 1616 01:27:27,519 --> 01:27:28,720 - You done joined the love revolution. 1617 01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:30,622 - That's right. - Where do I sign up? 1618 01:27:30,722 --> 01:27:33,559 [soft dramatic music] 1619 01:27:33,659 --> 01:27:35,627 * 1620 01:27:35,727 --> 01:27:40,065 - I was at The Viper Room. 1621 01:27:40,165 --> 01:27:42,868 I was outside. 1622 01:27:42,968 --> 01:27:47,573 I see a dude stumbling across the way. 1623 01:27:47,673 --> 01:27:50,576 As he was falling, his body turned 1624 01:27:50,676 --> 01:27:52,878 and I looked into his eyes and I was like, 1625 01:27:52,978 --> 01:27:55,313 "Oh, my God. This is not true." 1626 01:27:57,949 --> 01:28:01,720 I'm looking at Rob Pilatus. 1627 01:28:01,820 --> 01:28:03,489 So I crossed the street, 1628 01:28:03,589 --> 01:28:04,823 I picked him up, 1629 01:28:04,923 --> 01:28:09,227 and I said, "Hey, Rob. It's Fab." 1630 01:28:10,829 --> 01:28:12,598 "Rob, it's Fab. 1631 01:28:12,698 --> 01:28:14,966 Where do you live?" 1632 01:28:15,066 --> 01:28:18,169 And then he said, "There. 1633 01:28:19,571 --> 01:28:22,107 So we ring the doorbell. 1634 01:28:22,207 --> 01:28:23,775 We're like, "Hey, we're there with Rob. 1635 01:28:23,875 --> 01:28:26,645 Like, this is where he live, yes?" 1636 01:28:26,745 --> 01:28:29,047 "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bring him in. 1637 01:28:29,147 --> 01:28:30,716 "It's our boy, man. We--you know, 1638 01:28:30,816 --> 01:28:33,151 he--sometimes, he just wanders." 1639 01:28:33,251 --> 01:28:35,421 And I'm like, "Oh, that looks like 1640 01:28:35,521 --> 01:28:36,688 a crack house to me, man." 1641 01:28:36,788 --> 01:28:38,890 * 1642 01:28:38,990 --> 01:28:43,361 They were doing heavy drugs in that--in that room. 1643 01:28:45,130 --> 01:28:49,768 I'm not surprised 'cause I heard 1644 01:28:49,868 --> 01:28:52,438 that's what he's been doing for a long time. 1645 01:28:52,538 --> 01:28:55,340 But to actually see 1646 01:28:55,441 --> 01:28:58,577 my brother in the street 1647 01:28:58,677 --> 01:29:01,012 looking like this, 1648 01:29:01,112 --> 01:29:04,716 and looking back at my dude in his prime... 1649 01:29:04,816 --> 01:29:08,754 * 1650 01:29:08,854 --> 01:29:12,591 Man, it was like, "Phew." 1651 01:29:12,691 --> 01:29:16,261 I didn't know what to say. 1652 01:29:32,644 --> 01:29:35,481 [soft dramatic music] 1653 01:29:35,581 --> 01:29:42,387 * 1654 01:29:57,368 --> 01:29:59,571 - What'd they do? They just pulled you over? 1655 01:29:59,671 --> 01:30:01,139 - Yeah, they pulled me over, man. 1656 01:30:01,239 --> 01:30:02,508 Unfortunately. 1657 01:30:13,151 --> 01:30:16,254 - He was lost. Everything had failed. 1658 01:30:16,354 --> 01:30:19,457 He had not been satisfied with anything that he'd ever done. 1659 01:30:38,276 --> 01:30:41,246 * 1660 01:31:27,025 --> 01:31:30,461 - He came back from Oberberg Clinic 1661 01:31:30,562 --> 01:31:35,466 and he stayed at a hotel close to my house. 1662 01:31:35,567 --> 01:31:38,436 Next morning, 10:00, I called, no answer. 1663 01:31:38,536 --> 01:31:39,671 11:00, no answer. 1664 01:31:39,771 --> 01:31:41,506 12:00, no answer. 1665 01:31:43,208 --> 01:31:46,044 At 2:00, I said, "I'm going to the hotel right now." 1666 01:31:46,144 --> 01:31:50,048 And we go to his door 1667 01:31:50,148 --> 01:31:52,718 and the chain was from inside, 1668 01:31:52,818 --> 01:31:56,287 so the house master has to open it. 1669 01:31:58,624 --> 01:32:02,961 And--and he was laying there on--on the floor, 1670 01:32:03,061 --> 01:32:06,965 just with shorts. 1671 01:32:09,768 --> 01:32:11,236 Yeah. 1672 01:32:11,336 --> 01:32:12,704 And I was... 1673 01:32:52,978 --> 01:32:54,713 - The call came in. 1674 01:32:54,813 --> 01:32:57,015 "Rob is dead." 1675 01:32:58,016 --> 01:33:00,151 I was like, "Wow." 1676 01:33:00,251 --> 01:33:04,555 And then I went into, like, a state of shock. 1677 01:33:04,656 --> 01:33:08,493 And I didn't move for a long time. 1678 01:33:14,866 --> 01:33:17,703 [somber music] 1679 01:33:17,803 --> 01:33:24,776 * 1680 01:34:17,028 --> 01:34:24,202 * 1681 01:34:29,274 --> 01:34:31,709 - I lost a family member. 1682 01:34:31,810 --> 01:34:33,912 * 1683 01:34:34,012 --> 01:34:35,847 I lost a brother. 1684 01:34:35,947 --> 01:34:39,050 * 1685 01:34:39,150 --> 01:34:43,721 I lost someone that was there with me, walking in my shoes. 1686 01:34:43,822 --> 01:34:48,126 * 1687 01:34:48,226 --> 01:34:50,695 [softly] You know? 1688 01:34:50,796 --> 01:34:52,497 [sniffles, chuckles softly] 1689 01:34:54,599 --> 01:34:56,234 That's it. 1690 01:35:13,919 --> 01:35:18,023 When I went to Holland, 1691 01:35:18,123 --> 01:35:21,292 I was running away from my past. 1692 01:35:24,729 --> 01:35:28,133 - He'd introduced himself as Fabrice, 1693 01:35:28,233 --> 01:35:31,436 but I didn't know who he was. 1694 01:35:33,471 --> 01:35:35,273 He had such short hair, 1695 01:35:35,373 --> 01:35:39,210 and he has a different face when he has short hair. 1696 01:35:39,310 --> 01:35:40,979 So in the beginning, actually, when we were dating, 1697 01:35:41,079 --> 01:35:42,647 people were like, "Hey, Tessa, hey, Tessa." 1698 01:35:42,747 --> 01:35:44,782 "Hey, I'll see you tomorrow," and, you know, 1699 01:35:44,883 --> 01:35:46,251 I was the one being recognized. 1700 01:35:46,351 --> 01:35:51,622 So there was no signs that he was Milli Vanilli. 1701 01:35:51,722 --> 01:35:53,825 [soft music] 1702 01:35:53,925 --> 01:35:55,326 We had just fun together, 1703 01:35:55,426 --> 01:35:56,794 and we were working out together, 1704 01:35:56,895 --> 01:35:59,330 and we had those dates. 1705 01:35:59,430 --> 01:36:01,399 I start to really like this guy, 1706 01:36:01,499 --> 01:36:03,134 and you talk with your friends about, 1707 01:36:03,234 --> 01:36:06,371 you know, your new dating experience. 1708 01:36:06,471 --> 01:36:08,739 One of them said, "Dude, that's Milli Vanilli. 1709 01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:10,241 Hello." [chuckles] 1710 01:36:10,341 --> 01:36:11,809 And I was like, "Well, OK. 1711 01:36:11,910 --> 01:36:13,444 "If that's Milli Vanilli, fine, 1712 01:36:13,544 --> 01:36:15,480 because I like Fabrice, so..." 1713 01:36:18,083 --> 01:36:24,622 - I didn't think she would, like, want to be with me. 1714 01:36:24,722 --> 01:36:29,160 I had to tell her, "Listen, my life is not great." 1715 01:36:29,260 --> 01:36:32,030 - I was like, "Well, don't worry, you know? 1716 01:36:32,130 --> 01:36:33,798 I got you." 1717 01:36:33,899 --> 01:36:36,868 [pan sizzling] 1718 01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:40,005 - You already, Sach? 1719 01:36:40,105 --> 01:36:41,172 Drum roll. 1720 01:36:41,272 --> 01:36:43,774 - One, two, and three. 1721 01:36:43,875 --> 01:36:46,711 Flip! - Oh! 1722 01:36:46,811 --> 01:36:48,914 When Sacha came, 1723 01:36:49,014 --> 01:36:51,249 when Solange came, 1724 01:36:51,349 --> 01:36:56,587 and now Vince and Paris came, 1725 01:36:56,687 --> 01:36:59,390 then things started flourishing all around me. 1726 01:36:59,490 --> 01:37:01,259 What? - Hey, Sacha, look! 1727 01:37:01,359 --> 01:37:02,760 He's holding the bottle. - [giggles] 1728 01:37:02,860 --> 01:37:04,395 - That's a first. 1729 01:37:04,495 --> 01:37:06,631 Look at that. - Cute. 1730 01:37:06,731 --> 01:37:09,134 [laughter] 1731 01:37:09,234 --> 01:37:11,536 - It's amazing 1732 01:37:11,636 --> 01:37:14,872 to realize that there is another side 1733 01:37:14,973 --> 01:37:17,008 at the end of the tunnel. 1734 01:37:17,108 --> 01:37:18,876 - Together. - Together? 1735 01:37:18,977 --> 01:37:22,147 - Pink. - You want pink? OK. 1736 01:37:22,247 --> 01:37:24,415 It changed everything for me, 1737 01:37:24,515 --> 01:37:26,817 and that part was like, "Hey..." 1738 01:37:26,918 --> 01:37:28,319 Well done, Sach. 1739 01:37:28,419 --> 01:37:32,090 "You don't have to be ashamed about nothing." 1740 01:37:32,190 --> 01:37:38,696 * 1741 01:37:39,864 --> 01:37:41,432 - Because of the way human beings and 1742 01:37:41,532 --> 01:37:44,569 their minds are built, 1743 01:37:44,669 --> 01:37:49,774 Milli Vanilli's legacy is they deceived the public 1744 01:37:49,874 --> 01:37:53,711 and tried to get away with it, and then they didn't. 1745 01:37:53,811 --> 01:37:58,049 But what it should be is a cautionary tale. 1746 01:37:58,149 --> 01:38:00,952 * 1747 01:38:01,052 --> 01:38:04,255 - All of the answers about how pop music is made 1748 01:38:04,355 --> 01:38:07,925 rest in this story. 1749 01:38:08,026 --> 01:38:12,197 What we want to believe our pop musicians to be 1750 01:38:12,297 --> 01:38:13,731 versus what they actually are. 1751 01:38:13,831 --> 01:38:17,468 * 1752 01:38:17,568 --> 01:38:22,707 - Show business is all part of an illusion. 1753 01:38:22,807 --> 01:38:26,211 - But that is what pop music is supposed to do. 1754 01:38:26,311 --> 01:38:29,014 It's supposed to take us to an elsewhere. 1755 01:38:29,114 --> 01:38:31,416 * 1756 01:38:31,516 --> 01:38:35,186 Even if we say, "These people deceived the public," 1757 01:38:35,286 --> 01:38:36,921 so fucking what? 1758 01:38:37,022 --> 01:38:38,956 [cheers and applause] 1759 01:38:39,057 --> 01:38:40,625 Who was this harming? 1760 01:38:40,725 --> 01:38:45,196 * 1761 01:38:45,296 --> 01:38:48,533 - * Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 1762 01:38:48,633 --> 01:38:51,102 I've met people that told me, 1763 01:38:51,202 --> 01:38:53,538 "Because of your voice, 1764 01:38:53,638 --> 01:38:56,107 my daughter's here today." [chuckles] 1765 01:38:57,642 --> 01:39:00,945 - It was such a big thing for a lot of people. 1766 01:39:01,046 --> 01:39:05,216 - So many people went to their high school prom with that. 1767 01:39:05,316 --> 01:39:08,086 That was good music, 1768 01:39:08,186 --> 01:39:09,587 and it's good music today. 1769 01:39:09,687 --> 01:39:11,989 [cheers and applause] 1770 01:39:12,090 --> 01:39:14,259 - There's no real crime here, 1771 01:39:14,359 --> 01:39:15,360 if we're being honest. 1772 01:39:15,460 --> 01:39:19,064 * 1773 01:39:19,164 --> 01:39:21,066 But it cost a life. 1774 01:39:21,166 --> 01:39:24,469 * 1775 01:39:24,569 --> 01:39:29,707 It also cost both of them lives that they could have had. 1776 01:39:29,807 --> 01:39:33,611 * 1777 01:39:33,711 --> 01:39:38,283 And the heartbreaking thing is that their legacy then became 1778 01:39:38,383 --> 01:39:40,718 that of a punch line. 1779 01:39:40,818 --> 01:39:46,991 * 1780 01:39:48,059 --> 01:39:54,465 - There was a time when I would avoid going in public 1781 01:39:54,565 --> 01:39:59,704 because when I heard someone laugh, 1782 01:39:59,804 --> 01:40:02,973 I always thought it was directed to me. 1783 01:40:03,074 --> 01:40:06,177 * 1784 01:40:06,277 --> 01:40:11,916 But now I've reached a point where I've embraced the past. 1785 01:40:14,952 --> 01:40:19,090 I'm proud of being Milli Vanilli. 1786 01:40:19,190 --> 01:40:21,826 I'm proud of being who I am. 1787 01:40:23,161 --> 01:40:29,567 * 1788 01:40:29,667 --> 01:40:32,703 We're going back down memory lane with some more. 1789 01:40:32,803 --> 01:40:35,140 ["Blame It On The Rain" playing] 1790 01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:37,808 * Woo 1791 01:40:37,908 --> 01:40:39,644 * 1792 01:40:39,744 --> 01:40:42,046 * Got to blame it on something * 1793 01:40:42,147 --> 01:40:45,650 * Got to blame it on something, come on * 1794 01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:50,621 * Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling * 1795 01:40:50,721 --> 01:40:55,726 * Blame it on the stars that didn't shine that night * 1796 01:40:55,826 --> 01:41:00,765 * Whatever you do, don't put the blame on you * 1797 01:41:00,865 --> 01:41:04,569 * Blame it on the rain, yeah, yeah * 1798 01:41:04,669 --> 01:41:06,604 When people think of Milli Vanilli... 1799 01:41:06,704 --> 01:41:08,038 * You can blame it on the rain * 1800 01:41:08,139 --> 01:41:10,841 The one thing I want people to think of is that 1801 01:41:10,941 --> 01:41:11,776 when you fall... 1802 01:41:11,876 --> 01:41:13,378 * And the rain don't care 1803 01:41:13,478 --> 01:41:14,779 You can stand back up. 1804 01:41:14,879 --> 01:41:18,249 * You got to blame it on something * 1805 01:41:18,349 --> 01:41:20,251 * Blame it on the rain 1806 01:41:20,351 --> 01:41:24,589 And Rob is part of that. 1807 01:41:24,689 --> 01:41:28,259 I am honoring his name every time I perform onstage. 1808 01:41:28,359 --> 01:41:32,730 * Whatever you do, don't put the blame on you * 1809 01:41:32,830 --> 01:41:36,167 You fall, you stand back up, and you reinvent yourself. 1810 01:41:36,267 --> 01:41:40,605 * Yeah, yeah 1811 01:41:40,705 --> 01:41:43,040 That's the legacy. 1812 01:41:43,140 --> 01:41:48,246 * Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling * 1813 01:41:48,346 --> 01:41:50,415 crowd: * Blame it on the stars 1814 01:41:50,515 --> 01:41:53,017 - * That didn't shine that night * 1815 01:41:53,117 --> 01:41:58,423 * Whatever you do, don't put the blame on you * 1816 01:41:58,523 --> 01:42:02,059 * Blame it on the rain 1817 01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:07,532 * Yeah, yeah 1818 01:42:10,235 --> 01:42:13,238 ["Baby Don't Forget My Number" playing] 1819 01:42:13,338 --> 01:42:20,278 * 1820 01:42:38,729 --> 01:42:40,898 - * Baby, don't be shy when you're holding my hand * 1821 01:42:40,998 --> 01:42:43,368 * 'Cause as time goes by, you got to understand * 1822 01:42:43,468 --> 01:42:45,202 * It's you 1823 01:42:45,303 --> 01:42:47,972 - * That it's with you 1824 01:42:48,072 --> 01:42:50,475 - * Ba-ba-ba-ba baby, in your eyes I see it so clearly * 1825 01:42:50,575 --> 01:42:53,978 * That our love is so strong and you never go wrong * 1826 01:42:54,078 --> 01:42:57,748 - * Baby - * I did the best for you 1827 01:42:57,848 --> 01:43:00,050 - * So when you're in doubt and you're needing someone * 1828 01:43:00,150 --> 01:43:03,654 * Baby, call my line, call me anytime * 1829 01:43:03,754 --> 01:43:06,090 - * Baby - * I'll be there for you 1830 01:43:06,190 --> 01:43:08,259 * 1831 01:43:08,359 --> 01:43:13,331 * I've been searching high - * High 1832 01:43:13,431 --> 01:43:15,566 - * I've been searching low 1833 01:43:15,666 --> 01:43:17,302 * 1834 01:43:17,402 --> 01:43:18,603 * Ba-ba-ba-ba 1835 01:43:18,703 --> 01:43:22,440 * Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1836 01:43:22,540 --> 01:43:26,844 * Don't forget my number 1837 01:43:26,944 --> 01:43:32,049 - * Ba-ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba-ba baby * 1838 01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:36,521 - * Love is stronger than thunder * 1839 01:43:36,621 --> 01:43:41,459 * Ba-ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba-ba baby * 1840 01:43:41,559 --> 01:43:46,364 * Don't forget my number 1841 01:43:46,464 --> 01:43:50,668 * Love will see you through 1842 01:43:50,768 --> 01:43:55,406 - * I've been searching high 1843 01:43:55,506 --> 01:44:00,845 * I've been searching low 1844 01:44:00,945 --> 01:44:04,248 * Want to spend my life 1845 01:44:04,349 --> 01:44:08,252 * With you 1846 01:44:08,353 --> 01:44:10,488 * Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1847 01:44:10,588 --> 01:44:12,890 * Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba 1848 01:44:12,990 --> 01:44:15,393 * Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1849 01:44:15,493 --> 01:44:17,662 * And I dance with you 1850 01:44:17,762 --> 01:44:19,964 * Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1851 01:44:20,064 --> 01:44:22,500 * Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba 1852 01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:24,669 * Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1853 01:44:24,769 --> 01:44:28,305 * Love will see you through 1854 01:44:28,406 --> 01:44:30,908 * Ba-ba-ba baby, in your eyes I can it so good * 1855 01:44:31,008 --> 01:44:34,345 * That our love is so strong and you never go wrong * 1856 01:44:34,445 --> 01:44:38,048 - * Baby - * I do my best for you 1857 01:44:38,148 --> 01:44:40,317 * So when you're in doubt and you're needing someone * 1858 01:44:40,418 --> 01:44:44,021 * Baby, call my line, call me anytime * 1859 01:44:44,121 --> 01:44:46,357 - * Baby - * I'll be there for you 1860 01:44:46,457 --> 01:44:48,626 * You, you 1861 01:44:48,726 --> 01:44:53,330 * I've been searching high - * High 1862 01:44:53,431 --> 01:44:57,735 - * I've been searching low - * Low 1863 01:44:57,835 --> 01:44:58,736 - * Ba-ba-ba-ba 1864 01:44:58,836 --> 01:45:02,773 * Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1865 01:45:02,873 --> 01:45:07,311 * Don't forget my number 1866 01:45:07,412 --> 01:45:08,579 - * Ba-ba-ba-ba 1867 01:45:08,679 --> 01:45:12,282 * Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1868 01:45:12,383 --> 01:45:16,687 - * Love is stronger than thunder * 1869 01:45:16,787 --> 01:45:17,955 * Ba-ba-ba-ba 1870 01:45:18,055 --> 01:45:21,926 * Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1871 01:45:22,026 --> 01:45:26,631 * Don't forget my number 1872 01:45:26,731 --> 01:45:30,868 * Love will see you through 1873 01:45:30,968 --> 01:45:34,104 - * I've been searching high 1874 01:45:34,204 --> 01:45:35,673 * 1875 01:45:35,773 --> 01:45:41,412 * I've been searching low 1876 01:45:41,512 --> 01:45:44,549 * Want to spend my life 1877 01:45:44,649 --> 01:45:48,586 * With you 1878 01:45:48,686 --> 01:45:50,855 - * Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1879 01:45:50,955 --> 01:45:53,357 * Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba 1880 01:45:53,458 --> 01:45:55,092 * Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1881 01:45:55,192 --> 01:45:59,630 * Love will see you through 1882 01:45:59,730 --> 01:46:04,001 - * [vocalizing] 1883 01:46:04,101 --> 01:46:06,537 - * Baby, call my line, baby, call my line * 1884 01:46:06,637 --> 01:46:08,806 - * [vocalizing] 1885 01:46:08,906 --> 01:46:11,476 - * Call me anytime 1886 01:46:11,576 --> 01:46:12,910 - * [vocalizing] 1887 01:46:13,010 --> 01:46:16,914 - * Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1888 01:46:17,014 --> 01:46:21,686 * Don't forget my number 1889 01:46:21,786 --> 01:46:24,622 * Love will see you through 1890 01:46:24,722 --> 01:46:26,857 - Is Eddie OK? - I don't know.