1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,520 This guy's a bit of me, a very good-looking lad. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,320 Made me feel I was on cloud nine. Guess who is back! 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,640 I felt like I knew him my whole life. 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,280 (gasps) This is huge. 5 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:20,480 Seems you've got a target on your back. 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,520 This person wants to play a game. Drive quick as you can. 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,600 The barrier's coming down, the train's gonna be there! 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,360 Let's just get this over with. 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,040 Are you taking the piss? 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,800 I'm back with my right-hand woman Nella to hunt down some catfish 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,640 in the UK and beyond. 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,800 Last series, we exposed the real people behind the online masks. 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,040 You matched with your nephew - on a dating app? - Ee! 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,200 Zack? It's too much. 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,640 Is Sarah here? You need to go. 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,640 But we never stopped and we always got to the truth. 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,080 (gasps) Here we go. 18 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,840 We got a tag! (gasps) 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,960 When it comes to catfishing, no-one is safe. 20 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,360 The most disgusting behaviour. This is organised crime. 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,520 They called the police on us. (gasps) 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,000 Now, more than ever, people need our help 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,880 to figure out who they are really falling for online. 24 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,840 An A-list celebrity. This is new territory for us. 25 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,120 You're lying. 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,200 She told you she loves you? Yeah. 27 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,400 We're here to get the answers you need. 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,600 That's her number! 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,600 I'm following the catfish. Oh, my God. 30 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,680 This is insane. 31 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,840 (both) So let's go fishing! 32 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,280 Whoo! 33 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,240 (both) This is Catfish UK: The TV Show. 34 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,920 OK. Setting these up. 35 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,640 For my special guest today. 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,680 Unfortunately Nella is not here this week. 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,000 Guess who is back. 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,720 Hello! 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,080 Yes! (laughs) 40 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,320 Look at that. Wow. Hello, lovely. 41 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,240 Hi! Have you missed me? Yes, I have. 42 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,320 I love the fact that we're always semi-coordinated. 43 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,840 Well, I'm the good guy. You're the bad guy. 44 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,560 Can I ask you a question? Yes. 45 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,640 If I get some green hair dye will you dye your hair green? 46 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:11,280 I'll look ridiculous. 47 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,000 (crew laughter) 48 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,640 Yous all heard that. (laughter) 49 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,800 You will look ridiculous. I will look ridiculous. 50 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,360 Mm-hmm. You can pull it off. 51 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,560 Where are you going with this? You can! 52 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,960 Shall we start? Yes, I think we should. 53 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,520 Wow. Before we have a real problem. 54 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,000 Okey-dokey. We've got an email. 55 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,800 "Help me find Archie." Ooh. 56 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,440 "Hi, Catfish UK. My name's James 57 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,080 and I'm a 20-year-old builder from Norwich." 58 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,320 "Three months ago a cute guy called Archie slipped into my messages 59 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,160 and ever since then we've not stopped chatting 60 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,960 and I can't stop thinking about him." 61 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,160 "Archie is kind, sweet and only a year older than me, 62 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,400 so our experiences are quite similar, 63 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,320 which has been really nice and made getting to know him really easy." 64 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,320 "He only lives about an hour away in Cambridge, 65 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,200 but we haven't met yet, which is getting frustrating 66 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,920 and I'm starting to worry that there's something wrong." 67 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,880 "I'd like to be able to find out what's going on with him 68 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,120 so we can finally meet up. Can you help? Thanks so much. James." 69 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,840 This is the beginning of the... This is the honeymoon period. 70 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,440 When things are, like, exciting. Yeah, but they've still not met. 71 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,440 And if he's only an hour away and it's been three months, 72 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,200 why haven't yous met yet? Yeah. 73 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,320 Right, let's give James a call. OK. 74 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,520 (computer chimes) 75 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:58,640 Hey. Hi! 76 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,680 - Hey. - How are you? How are you doing? 77 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,240 I'm not too bad. Yourself? Good, thank you. 78 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,200 Right, so, James, talk us through how you and Archie got talking. 79 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,400 So, Archie added me through Snapchat. 80 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,720 Erm, you know, I clicked on his profile. 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,080 I looked at him and I thought, you know, "OK, this guy's a bit of me." 82 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,800 He's very good-looking lad. 83 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,800 We were talking for a good hour the first day I added him. 84 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,920 He made me feel like I was on cloud nine. 85 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,520 Like, he made me feel different, compared to a lot of guys. 86 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,440 I don't know. There was just a spark in him that made me feel special, 87 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,920 like I was wanted by him. 88 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,960 So what do you mean "different"? What is the difference with Archie? 89 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,720 Dating in Norwich isn't all that good. 90 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,280 A lot of guys around Norwich just like hook-ups 91 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:51,560 and I'm more of, like, a relationship status type of guy. 92 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,440 So what's made you think that there's something up, then? 93 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,360 There weren't no phone calls or FaceTimes between us. 94 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,360 Right. Which was quite a shame. 95 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,280 He just wouldn't answer, there was always an excuse. 96 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:06,080 What were the excuses that he was coming up with? 97 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,880 He was at work on the weekends. 98 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,880 He's a teaching assistant, they work Monday to Friday. 99 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,040 He's a TA? OK. 100 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,280 I didn't really want to believe this. 101 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:17,600 So he's a teaching assistant - in Cambridge? - In Cambridge? 102 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,560 He's about an hour away from me. 103 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,360 And has he still not met you yet, after three months? 104 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,960 Unfortunately, no. Mm. 105 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,680 Well, we want to help you. Yeah. 106 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,560 Appreciate that. Come to the people in the business. 107 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,200 Great, that's what I'm looking for. 108 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,600 I'd like a relationship to come out of this. 109 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,560 Like, it's very rare for me to find myself with a guy 110 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,160 and see myself having - a future with a guy. - Yeah. 111 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,560 Hopefully we can do that for you. Yeah. 112 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,200 (laughs) You're in Norwich. 113 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,560 So we're going to head over to you now. 114 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,120 Perfect, I appreciate you guys helping me. I'll see you guys soon. 115 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,920 Bye, James. See you soon, bye. 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,440 OK! Sounds like they had a really intense few months together. 117 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,600 And that he sees a genuine future - in it. - With this person. 118 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,600 There is a lot of things, though, that I picked up on. 119 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,440 So, like, when he said he's a teaching assistant... 120 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,800 Teaching assistants don't work weekends. 121 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,520 He added him on Snapchat. 122 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,640 Where did he get his account from? Yeah. 123 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,840 Unless there's more to the story? - Shall we go and find out? - Yes. 124 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:19,240 (sighs) I guess I'm driving, then? Yes. 125 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,480 Shock. I'm learning how to drive. 126 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Yeah, I hope you bloody pass cos I'm sick of driving. 127 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,680 Off to Norwich we go. 128 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,200 James seems like a nice guy. 129 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,000 He's a young, good-looking lad. 130 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,160 I don't want James to get upset, but... 131 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,440 You think it's a catfish? Oh, God, 100%. 132 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:44,880 I know this scenario. 133 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,560 Gay dating and stuff, it's like rife for getting catfished. 134 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,760 Why do you think that is? Cos it happened to me when I was 20. 135 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:52,920 Right. 136 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,400 I think we're nearly here. Yeah. 137 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,840 Oh, my God, we are! 138 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,000 (sighs) Oh. 139 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,840 Ready? Shall I knock? 140 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:09,360 (knocks) Oh, he's coming. 141 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,640 Hi, James! Hi, guys, how are you? 142 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,280 Good, how are you? Nice to meet you. - Hiya. - Thank you for having us. 143 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,520 No worries, come through. Thank you. 144 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,640 Take a seat, guys. Thank you. 145 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,880 So, I mean, thanks for kind of getting in contact with us. 146 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,280 I appreciate you guys coming. Tell us more about yourself. 147 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,880 So, I'm 20 years old, born and bred in Norwich. 148 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,120 Erm, I'm a self-employed builder and I model part-time as well. 149 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,760 I want to talk about Archie. How did he get in contact originally? 150 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,320 Archie added me through Quick Add on Snapchat. 151 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,000 So I started speaking with him and felt like I knew him straight off. 152 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,400 Like, I felt like I knew him my whole life. 153 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:51,960 We message every day. 154 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,960 He was a gym lad, so he loved to work out, like myself. 155 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,200 Obsessed with rowing for some reason. 156 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,920 Rowing? What, rowing a boat? 157 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,480 Yeah, in the Cambridge Rowers. One of his favourite hobbies. 158 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,960 It's quite a specific thing. For it to be a lie would be quite odd. 159 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,240 Very, very odd. Can we see a picture of him? 160 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Yeah, sure, I've got a few photos on my phone. 161 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,880 So, if you scroll there? Oh, he's a good-looking lad. 162 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,560 Quite tall, well, he looks tall. Yeah, yeah. 163 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,160 He's about 6'2", so... Well travelled. 164 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,760 He does like to travel a lot. 165 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,120 We actually spoke on that level of going on holiday together. 166 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,560 Why did you start falling for Archie? 167 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,720 What was... What made him different? 168 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,640 The way he understood me as a person, very quickly. 169 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,920 He just matched my energy very quickly. 170 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,400 Sometimes I have my moods, but he understood 171 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,120 and he was still trying his best to get to know me. 172 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,640 So, the effort was one big turn-on for me. 173 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,480 The feelings I have for Archie came very quickly. 174 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,080 I knew something serious was coming out of this 175 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,960 cos it's very hard for myself to fall for someone, 176 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,200 even with girls, before I came out. 177 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,840 Have you dated girls before? 178 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,880 Before I came out, I was dating girls. 179 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,800 Erm, and the last girl I was dating, 180 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,240 I came out to her that - I was bisexual. - Oh, wow. 181 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,160 Things ended. But the respect we had for each other... 182 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,560 We just kept as friends and that's when I moved on to guys. 183 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:16,680 At what point did you think that something might be not quite right? 184 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:20,400 So, I tried to call him a few times through Snapchat, didn't answer. 185 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,160 There was a couple of excuses. 186 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,600 As these excuses were building up, he would become very blunt, 187 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,720 but then the conversation would pick up between us. 188 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,000 Do you engage with him on any other social media platform? 189 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,560 No. He said to me the only reason why 190 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:36,800 he only goes to Snapchat is with his job, 191 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,240 you know, he likes to keep a low profile. 192 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:46,120 Is there anyone else who you feel, like, might be suspicious in any way? 193 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,000 There is one female friend of mine, Lauren, that I was close with, 194 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,160 but we're very rocky, on-and-off. OK. 195 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,000 For, like, I used to fancy a few of her ex-boyfriends 196 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,760 and boys she used to speak with. 197 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,360 She's really the only person 198 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,800 I have got a bit of beef with at the moment. 199 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,680 It is quite an extreme length to go to, 200 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:06,520 if it is someone that you're - beefing with. - Yeah. 201 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,120 But we have seen that before, so... Yeah. Do you... 202 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,960 Have you had any experience being catfished? 203 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,760 I have never been catfished, 204 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,160 but I have had people use my photos for many different apps. 205 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,160 Guys will message me and they'll be like, "Is this you?" 206 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,000 "No, it's not me." Do you have quite a big following? 207 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,720 Er, so, I have just nearly 25,000 on Instagram. 208 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,760 Great. Just over 15,000 on Snapchat. 209 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,920 Have you got any other information? Like, anything that might be helpful? 210 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,560 For the last I'd say four months, I've had five different incidents 211 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:40,960 where people have, like, filmed me in and around Norwich. 212 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,240 What? 213 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,360 I have actually got one video on my phone. 214 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,360 Erm, it's only a four-second video. 215 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,240 The arcades the other week with a couple of friends. 216 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,600 So, they stood over here 217 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,040 and, as you can see, they're filming me at the 2p machine. 218 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,440 What, sent you it? They sent it to me. 219 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,960 My Snapchat is an open, public profile, 220 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,320 and it was just, like, a ninja emoji. I'm not new to that, 221 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,840 cos I've had it done four times before. 222 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,160 Same account? No, different people. 223 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,560 They're normal names on Snapchat, but not on my friends list, 224 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:17,400 cos it's a public profile. So anyone can message me. 225 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,560 Seems like you've got a certain level of, like, a target on your back. 226 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:23,640 Yeah. 227 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,120 Regardless of what the outcome is, obviously, we will be here for you. 228 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,880 Have you sat and processed, 229 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,200 what if it's someone completely different and not Archie? 230 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,480 If it's not true and he's not who he says, 231 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,960 I wouldn't really know how to process it. 232 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,320 It's going to make me feel ashamed, and quite embarrassed. 233 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,600 Because I feel like I've opened up to a complete stranger. 234 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,600 You know, that's going to be devastating. 235 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,880 We definitely can help, and we want you to send everything you can over. 236 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,120 Any information, pictures. Yeah, fine. 237 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,760 We'll get investigating tomorrow. I really do appreciate that. 238 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,120 Come on, then. Lovely. 239 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,080 Thank you for having us, James. Nice one, guys, no worries. 240 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,440 Cheers, James, take care. - Bye-bye. - Bye. 241 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,200 What's your first impressions of James? 242 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,600 I think he's a lovely boy. 243 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,440 Do you know what, because he is so young and I have been through this, 244 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,000 I do feel a bit protective of him and we need to look after him. 245 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,320 Like, cos not only is he getting weird people sending videos 246 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,000 of himself, like, he's obviously just come out. 247 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,840 Like, I feel like - I just want to protect him. - Yeah. 248 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,840 The situation with Archie is quite interesting. 249 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,440 I mean, the excuses, the minimal contact. 250 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,200 He said he might have a little bit of beef with a girl. 251 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,600 Like, is she hurt? 252 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,560 I just hope that this doesn't have - a sinister outcome. - Yeah. 253 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,920 If I was in James' position, I'm not going to lie, 254 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,760 I would be very scared. 255 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,040 Well, we've got a lot to do today, haven't we? 256 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,320 We do. 257 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,520 Right, what have we got to go off? 258 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,360 We've got James, 20 years old, from Norwich. 259 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,600 He's a builder and a model. He came out about half a year ago. 260 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,480 He's met someone, three months ago, called Archie. 261 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,960 Talking a lot, developing serious feelings. 262 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,000 James keeps on trying to meet up with Archie, Archie finds an excuse. 263 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,520 Also, we've got... Someone keeps sending James videos. 264 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,280 Of him, just... Of him out, living his life. 265 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,600 Yeah. That's bizarre. 266 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,440 I think that we need to dive in now. 267 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Let's see what we have. Right. 268 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,480 "Hi, guys, great meeting you yesterday. I'm really hoping 269 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,320 you can help me find out what's going on with Archie." 270 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,880 "Here are photos I have." 271 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,000 "He rows for a club in Cambridge, but I don't know which." 272 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,400 "This is the number of my friend Lauren, 273 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,320 in case you wanted to chat to her." 274 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,120 "Thank you so much. Speak soon, James." 275 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,480 OK. So James has given us this contact for his friend, Lauren, 276 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:17,920 who he's... Lauren, yeah. 277 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,480 Shall we send her a text and just say - that we'd love to chat? - Yeah. 278 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,520 Sent. - That sounds good. - OK. 279 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,200 Okey-dokey. We know that he says he rows for a club in Cambridge. 280 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,480 Shall we just have a look and see... Cambridge rowing clubs? 281 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,400 OK. 282 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,040 What about City of Cambridge Rowing Club, right here? 283 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,640 Let's call them. 284 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,560 (phone line ringing) 285 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,120 Hi, this is Oobah calling from Catfish UK. 286 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,960 I'm here with my friend, Nathan. 287 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,240 Sorry, this is probably a bit strange, 288 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,840 but we're trying to identify someone who is in an online relationship 289 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,360 and they've not been completely honest. 290 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,440 We're from Catfish UK. 291 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,440 Basically, we're trying to look for a guy called Archie ***** who claims 292 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,080 that he's, like, an avid rower in Cambridge. 293 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:22,920 OK. 294 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,960 Cheers, Omar. All right, perfect, thank you. 295 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,280 Thank you. 296 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:30,680 He is so helpful. Yeah. 297 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,800 James said that Archie doesn't have an online presence. 298 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,960 Yes. But is it worth looking? 299 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,880 Yeah. OK. 300 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,440 Go onto, go on to Snap. 301 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,400 And then, you know, we can try and go from there. 302 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,760 There we go, him. That's him. 303 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,960 Oh, no, no! What, what, what? 304 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,560 Don't add! Don't add! What? 305 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,800 You just added him! 306 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,080 How do you unsend? I don't... just... 307 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,920 We've already added him. We can't. You can undo it. 308 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,960 Watch, watch. Manage, remove friend. There, he's removed. 309 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,240 You made me panic. 310 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,000 (laughs) Crisis averted. I think that was definitely a crisis. 311 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,280 (mobile phone buzzes) Oh. (gasps) 312 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,160 It's Lauren, she's calling us back. Hi, Lauren, you OK? 313 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,560 "Can you explain why I'm getting a call?" 314 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,680 "I think I'm getting accused of..." 315 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,840 Oh, no, no. You're not getting accused. 316 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,440 We've been speaking to your friend James. 317 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,360 He's asked for our help to find someone called Archie 318 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,800 who he's been speaking to, who James told me and Oobah yesterday 319 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,400 that he's mentioned to you. 320 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,320 "I mean, roughly, yeah." 321 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,800 OK. How do you know James? 322 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,040 "So, me and James met about six, seven months ago." 323 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,240 "We bicker a little bit, here and there." 324 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,000 "Hopefully, he's not accusing me of doing anything." 325 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,360 How do you bicker? 326 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,960 "I'll be at a club and like a guy." 327 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,880 "He'll purposefully go up to them, 328 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,440 talk to them, try to take them away from me, 329 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,760 and it pisses me off sometimes." 330 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:06,360 Yeah. 331 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:10,360 "Like, you don't go with people that someone else likes, you know?" 332 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,840 If you were going to guess someone who might catfish him, 333 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,760 who would you guess? 334 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:21,040 "Well, it's definitely not me." 335 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,440 "I kind of need to go, cos I am very busy today." 336 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,400 Lauren, thank you so much for ringing us. 337 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,880 "That's OK. I really need to go now, OK?" 338 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,160 Thank you, Lauren. Cheers, bye."Bye." 339 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,360 That's a bit weird. 340 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,000 Straight off the bat... Mm. 341 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,640 She was very defensive. Yeah. 342 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,520 I'll be honest, if anyone had a motive to do it, it could be her 343 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,640 cos she said that he stole people off her. 344 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,080 Yeah, I don't know. We need to keep looking into Archie. 345 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,800 Yeah, OK. 346 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,720 Should we look into the images? Yeah. 347 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,160 Why don't we search the one with the prosecco bottle in the background? 348 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,400 OK, we're trying the one of him at the restaurant in Italy. 349 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:11,880 No. 350 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,600 The one at the fountain? 351 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,240 Er, Trevi Fountain? Yeah. 352 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:19,760 Yeah, nothing. 353 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,880 There's no online presence, no profile. Can't locate the photos. 354 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,880 So what have we got to go off? (phone buzzes) 355 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,480 Oh, we've got a phone call. 356 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,880 I think this is Omar from the Rowing Club. 357 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,600 Hey, this is Oobah. 358 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:48,680 No-one? 359 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,720 OK, thank you so much, Omar. - Really appreciate it. - Yeah. 360 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,320 Cheers. 361 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:59,680 How bizarre. 362 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,320 OK, well, that, that... That's definitely something, isn't it? 363 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,240 I've got one thing I want to try. 364 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,480 We haven't got anything through image search. However, this image... 365 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,720 Obviously, this is a well-known place, the Trevi Fountain. 366 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,600 So, why don't we search the Trevi Fountain, 367 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,240 I know this is a long shot, on Instagram, 368 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,280 search in the geolocation? 369 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,880 Oh, my God, Nathan, it's... 370 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,440 One of the most photographed places in Europe. 371 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,240 I know. Absolutely down to try. 372 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,200 But it just seems like we're looking for a needle in a haystack. 373 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,280 OK, there is a, there is a lot. It could be recent, so... 374 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:37,640 No. 375 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:45,880 Just have faith, Oobah. 376 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,040 (gasps) 377 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,000 Oh, my God, there he is! Oh, my God! 378 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,240 But he's not called Archie *****. 379 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,200 Kieran *****. 380 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,600 This is huge. 381 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,080 Fuck. 382 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,200 This is absolutely huge. That's it. 383 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,040 I mean, this combined with the way that he's kind of wriggled out 384 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,960 of meeting up with James means, I think... 385 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,360 Yeah. It feels like this is a catfish. 386 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,160 Should we maybe message this person? 387 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,520 Yeah, yeah, let's do that. 388 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,760 OK. 389 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,560 "Hi, Kieran, it's Nathan and Oobah from MTV Catfish UK." 390 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,320 "We're just wondering, would you be able to chat today, if possible?" 391 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,600 "We could really use your help." Cool. 392 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,680 How do you think he's going to take it? 393 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,080 I don't think he's going to be best pleased. 394 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,840 Someone's not telling the truth. That's true. 395 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,000 Who that person is, I don't know. Yeah. 396 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,680 We should go and update James. 397 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,800 I think we should. 398 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:56,880 Let's do it. OK. 399 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:01,400 Let's make a move. 400 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,640 OK, so we're probably dealing with - a catfish here, aren't we? - Yeah. 401 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,280 I think that he clearly shared a lot with this person. 402 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,120 So, it's going to feel... Weird. 403 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:28,800 It's a betrayal, isn't it? It's a betrayal of your trust. 404 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,200 Lauren didn't seem pleased we were getting in touch with her. 405 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,960 True. (phone buzzes) 406 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,480 Oh, I'm getting called. Oh! 407 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,200 Who's this? Who's this? Who's this? I'm just going to pull over here. 408 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,280 Hello? 409 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,360 "Hello. It's Kieran." 410 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,760 Do you mind if we switch to FaceTime? "Yeah, no problem." 411 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,320 Hi. "How you doing?" 412 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,600 So the reason we've got in touch, Kieran, 413 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,320 is a guy called James has got in touch with us, 414 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,840 and he's been speaking to someone - now for three months. - Yeah. 415 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,360 And this person has been using your images, 416 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:09,640 which is how we've got in contact with you. 417 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,920 Do you know anyone by the name James *****? 418 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,440 "No, I don't know a James." 419 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,280 "Mm-mm." 420 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,680 Right, OK. 421 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,320 "I have a boyfriend, so..." 422 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,880 Oh, right, OK. You have a boyfriend? 423 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,640 "I've been on the end of it where someone has been catfishing me." 424 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,720 Wow. Oh, wow. 425 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,400 "Really not very nice." 426 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,720 "Make sure you give him some big love. Give him a big hug." 427 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,600 Oh, thank you, Kieran. Cheers, Kieran. 428 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,840 Take care. 429 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,680 OK, Archie is a catfish. Hundred per cent. 430 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,840 Now, it's just like... Who? 431 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,680 Who? Why? And, like, what are their intentions? 432 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,960 (sighs) Oh, God. 433 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,360 He really, really, really wanted Archie to be real. 434 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,680 This is it. 435 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,720 Hi, guys. Hey, how are you? We're good. 436 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,120 How are you doing? You all right? Not too bad. 437 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,400 Good to see you again. And you. 438 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,040 Have you been in contact with Archie? 439 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,960 The last time was last night. 440 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,840 What did you speak about? Just how his day was going. 441 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,960 Like, how may day went. Just normal chit-chat. 442 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,000 So we called Lauren, and she did say that yous two do bicker a lot. 443 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,600 Yes. I have fancied a few of her ex-boyfriends, 444 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,160 or boys she's been speaking with. That's caused conflict. 445 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,640 Have you ever got with any of them? 446 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,320 One of them. Wow. 447 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,720 Yeah. 448 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,720 I was completely in the wrong, doing that, so... 449 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,000 OK. Well, next, Archie said rowing was a big part of his life. 450 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,160 Yeah, he really enjoys doing that. 451 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,840 We actually found someone in Cambridge called Omar, 452 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,400 who's very hooked up in that scene. OK. 453 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,920 He went and spoke to - different people. - OK. 454 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,080 He said, with some level of confidence, 455 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,480 that this guy doesn't row in Cambridge. 456 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,560 OK. 457 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,400 Er, yeah, OK. 458 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,640 Yeah, I don't know how to really take that, to be honest. 459 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,920 I think, actually, it's probably better 460 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,600 if you... - See this for yourself. - Yeah. 461 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,320 Right, OK. 462 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,320 "Hey, James." 463 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,480 God. 464 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,000 Oh, my God. 465 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,280 It's probably better if you... 466 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,320 See this for yourself. Yeah. 467 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,280 Right, OK. 468 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,880 "Hey, James. Unfortunately, I'm not bringing very good news today." 469 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,640 God. 470 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,640 "My name isn't Archie, and I don't come from Cambridge." 471 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,280 "My name is Kieran, I'm 29." 472 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,240 "I'm from Dublin, in Ireland, 473 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,160 and I've lived in London for the past three years." 474 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,360 Oh, my God. 475 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:46,240 "I hate that someone has done this to you." 476 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,760 "Keep your chin up. Lots of love, mwah." 477 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,840 (sighs) 478 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:58,320 I don't know how to really take that one in. 479 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,200 I'm kind of lost for words. 480 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:02,200 Yeah. 481 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,160 Wow. 482 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,800 How do you feel? Quite embarrassed, to be honest. 483 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,640 I've opened up to this guy at such a deep level. 484 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,680 It's a passing stranger now with all my dark secrets. 485 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,040 Yeah. 486 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,680 I could trust this guy with my life. 487 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,040 That's how strong I felt about him. 488 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,920 I feel devastated, really. I feel... Yeah, I feel awful. 489 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,840 Is there someone who would try, one, either to hurt you, 490 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,840 or, two, to humiliate you? What about Lauren? 491 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,440 Potentially. 492 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,520 Like, we could keep on going round in circles, speculating. 493 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,440 But it feels like we should contact Archie. 494 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,200 We need to facilitate a meeting. 495 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,120 It sounds better coming from - your phone. - That's fine. 496 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:14,360 We need to be direct with him. We need to just demand answers, 497 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:17,640 and we demand that this person - meets us. - OK. 498 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,800 Would you mind if I send - the message? - That's fine. 499 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,000 So I'm going to type, "Hi, Archie, it's Nathan and Oobah here 500 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,200 from Catfish UK." 501 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,440 "We're here with James, who you've been speaking to, 502 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,760 and we want to meet you in person." 503 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,160 "You haven't been honest with James, and he deserves answers 504 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,720 at the very least." 505 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,560 Enough is enough." 506 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,440 Are you alright for me to send that? I'm fine. That sounds perfect. 507 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,000 Sent. 508 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,040 There are people who film you in the street. 509 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,120 That is true, yeah. 510 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,560 We want to figure out if there's a link between 511 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,720 this person that's catfished you, 512 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,280 and the people that are sending you videos. 513 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,720 If it is, it's quite a dangerous situation. 514 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,840 I agree with you on that one. This person knows who you are 515 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,560 and knows your whereabouts. Mm-hmm. 516 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,120 It does scare me, knowing that there are people filming me. 517 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:16,840 I have to, like, look over my shoulder all the time. 518 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,200 (phone chimes) A message has come through. 519 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,720 Seriously? Yeah, he's just put "Fine." 520 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,840 Fine? Fine? 521 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,880 I think, I think that's quite blunt, 522 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,200 considering what this person has been doing. 523 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,360 That's not an answer. Nah, just a "fine." 524 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,920 Shall we respond? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 525 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,760 Where even is he? "Whereabouts are you, 526 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,560 and when can you meet?" 527 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,360 This is awful. 528 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,920 "Closer than you think." Whoa! 529 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,560 This person's playing games. 530 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,000 "This isn't a game." 531 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,680 "We've had enough of you messing about with James." 532 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,360 "We want an answer." 533 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,880 "If you have any feelings for James whatsoever, 534 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,040 this is the very least you can do." Yeah. 535 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,440 He's in the chat. He's reading, he's typing. 536 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,880 "Well, now Catfish UK are involved, 537 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,080 they should know how to find me via location settings." 538 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,640 Do you know that thing where you can find maps? 539 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,440 My maps are on for everyone, all my friends and that. 540 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,880 Wait there, wait there. 541 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,480 You have your maps on for everyone - who's got your Snapchat? - Yeah. 542 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,920 Does Archie have... Is that them? 543 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,440 Click on this. 544 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,200 Well, it's near Norwich. "Closer than you think." 545 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,600 Closer than I actually thought. - Twelve minutes. - Shall we go? 546 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,920 I'm ready for it. Let's do this. 547 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,240 Come on. 548 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,360 Another catfish that I have to have an argument with. 549 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,200 Get in. 550 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,200 Right, so this person obviously wants to play a game. 551 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,120 (phone chimes) 552 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,520 I've got a message of, "You've got 15 minutes 553 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,360 before I switch off my location." 554 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,600 "I have a train to catch." Is that a joke? 555 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,240 We've got 15 minutes? It's going to take us 15 minutes to get there. 556 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,200 So he's obviously at a train station near where that location is. 557 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,040 Fuck, it's so busy, man. It is, it's rush hour. 558 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,320 Norwich is quite busy at this time. 559 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,880 They want us to chase them. In five minutes, 560 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,240 this person's going to jump on - the train. - And he'll be gone. 561 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,400 What's the exit that I'm taking off? - Third exit. - Third? 562 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,560 Drive as quick as you can. 563 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,360 When we literally get out, we need to run. 564 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,640 Because if this person gets on the train, 565 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,120 we might have missed the opportunity. 566 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,120 You're going to go right here. Right here, yeah? 567 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,160 Oh, my God, there's - the train station! - Here it comes. 568 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,040 (gasps) Oh, my God! No! Yous! The barrier's coming down! 569 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,400 The train's going to be there! We'll have to park and run. 570 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,640 Oh, my God, there's the train! - Quick! - Just run. 571 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,000 Just go. Go, go, go. Right, straight down. 572 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,520 Oobah, run, fast! 573 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,320 Right, get your Snapchat open. 574 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,480 Yeah. 575 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,280 Yous, I think we've missed them. The train's just gone. 576 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,440 Where are the on Snapchat? 577 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,080 He's turned his location off. 578 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,000 Fuck. 579 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,120 So the whole time, they were on that platform. 580 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,200 Where's that train gone to? Right, let's have a look. 581 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,600 The train we've missed has gone to London. 582 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,200 I can't leave the car, so we can't jump on a train. 583 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,040 We have to drive to London. If we're confident he's going there. 584 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,640 They've turned their location off. They've jumped on that train. 585 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,520 Let's do it. Let's go to London. 586 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,200 Right. 587 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,200 (phone chimes) 588 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,960 OK, I've just received another text from Archie. 589 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,440 He sent you a text? He's sent me a live photo. 590 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,080 What? 591 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,920 It's a photo of him on the train. Yeah, and that's it. 592 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,960 That's it? Is there a message with... 593 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,800 He's on the train? We know he's on the train to London. 594 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,960 We know he's on the train. Do you know anyone from London? 595 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,920 I've spoken to guys from London, but nothing too deep. 596 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,200 I've got really no connections with anyone in London. 597 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,520 I think that the best plan that we have now 598 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,040 is to go back to yours, grab a bag, James, 599 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,520 and we head down to London. We'll sort a hotel. 600 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,640 James, I want you to message them. OK. 601 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,560 Just say, "Look, we're not chasing you about." 602 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,440 "Give us a time and a place to meet you tomorrow, and we will be there." 603 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,920 They do not have the power and the control in this situation. 604 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,120 It's also not a game. It's not funny. 605 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,080 I just hope they get back to us soon, 606 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,120 because we need to get to - the bottom of this. - Yeah. 607 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,760 Morning, guys. Right, so, good news, James has heard from the catfish, 608 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,320 and we have a time and a place to meet them in London today. 609 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,680 So, right, we've got to get moving. 610 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,200 So wish us luck. Hopefully we get some answers. 611 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,280 There he is. Hey. 612 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,200 Nice to see you, pal. No worries. 613 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,600 So, you said that you heard from the catfish. 614 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,160 Yes, it was quite a blunt message I got from him last night. 615 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,560 I haven't heard from him again this morning at all. 616 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,760 What do you want to say to them today? 617 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,000 I want to know why they've done this. 618 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,160 Everything, we went through for the last three months, 619 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,880 did it any of it make any sense, or was any of it true? 620 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,080 Why would they do it to me, - out of all people? - Yeah. 621 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,120 Shall we get a move on? I'm ready, let's do it. 622 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,720 Let's go. 623 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,160 Keep on going for a little bit and, on the main road, go left, I think. 624 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,960 The closer we're getting, the more nervous I'm getting, 625 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,280 the more anxious I'm getting. 626 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,880 Any idea who it could be? 627 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,240 It could have been any guy I've spoken to on social media. 628 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,360 The Yard is literally round the corner now. 629 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,280 You know this place, Nathan? Yes, this is a gay bar, actually. 630 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,560 OK, OK. Right, well, let's do this. 631 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,920 Let's just get this over with. Let's hope they're even coming. 632 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,080 Just remember, - you need to get answers. - Yes. 633 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,840 Here we go. 634 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,160 Who's that? 635 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,400 Hello. 636 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,880 Are you taking the piss? 637 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,480 Just... Just hear me out. Listen to what I've got to say. 638 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,640 Go ahead. What's your name? 639 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,320 Isabelle, I'm James's ex-girlfriend. 640 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,200 I was the person behind the Archie account. 641 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,880 This whole time, the last three months, it's been you? 642 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,680 You've made me look like a mug. 643 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,560 You have made me look like a mug, and that's not funny. 644 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,200 Do you know how embarrassed I feel right now, 645 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,360 through everything I've told you? 646 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,200 No, it's not even funny. 647 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,760 I just need a minute. So, you were... 648 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,040 So, sorry, you... Just wait, just... 649 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,800 What's your name, sorry? - Isabelle. - Isabelle, OK. 650 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,880 Well, my name's Oobah. - I'm Nathan, hi. - This is Nathan. 651 00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,600 Can see you're nervous. This is a big thing. 652 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,920 You have betrayed me in so many ways. 653 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,640 Like, I can't even stand here and tell you how angry I am with you. 654 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,680 Listen, we've come this far, and I think it's a waste 655 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,560 if we just don't listen to what you've got to say. 656 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,880 I mean, you have made us trail around from London to Norwich, 657 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,360 to now here. 658 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,360 So, like, we want to find out why you have done this 659 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,920 and make sense of the situation. I was going to meet you in Norwich, 660 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,280 at the train station, but I bailed. 661 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,200 I was nervous. I was scared of you reaction. 662 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,760 Are you the one sending him videos of him randomly as well 663 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,480 when he's out and about? No, I've got... 664 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,480 No, nothing to do with that. 665 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,080 People video me. - Nothing to do with that? - No. 666 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,800 In the arcade, or when he walked him from work? 667 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,720 No, no, no. 668 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,920 OK. So, why have you done this? 669 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,440 After we broke up, I wasn't ready to let go of what we had. 670 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,640 I feel like we connected on such a deep level. 671 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,000 I made the Archie account, because I wanted to see if it was true, 672 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,800 if you were completely done with our relationship. 673 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,080 How long were yous together for? A few months. 674 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,120 We were getting on so, so well. 675 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,720 Erm, and then this bombshell just hit. 676 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:08,280 And he was like, "I'm bisexual." And from that, I was just confused. 677 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,040 Obviously, I was hurt. 678 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,600 Our relationship was so strong. I didn't want to put an end to that. 679 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:14,840 I wasn't ready. 680 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,920 I want you to understand, though, this is not me having a go at you, 681 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,680 for him to admit that to you, that he's bisexual, 682 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,920 that is struggle within yourself that you have to come to terms with. 683 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,200 I'm so happy that you came to me and you told me that, 684 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,600 but I was just confused, James. 685 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,280 It all happened so quickly, and it was just hard. 686 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,560 So the creation of Archie was a kind of way of you being able 687 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,440 to have that little bit more time to - come to terms with everything? - Yeah. 688 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,840 It doesn't make no sense to me. We left on a civil basis. 689 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,680 I came out to you and I told you everything and you were fine. 690 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,120 and we became strong friends. 691 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,360 You were the most supportive person. 692 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,040 Through everyone that I told about my sexuality, 693 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,920 you were the one I could go to about everything. 694 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,400 I came to you, and I spoke to you about Archie. 695 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,520 You knew how much I fell for this guy. 696 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,560 You don't realise how hard it was. 697 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,760 You need to see what it looks like from my perspective. 698 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,640 Just broken up with you, but still hooking up with you on a night out. 699 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,400 Still, like, sleeping in the same bed. 700 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,200 Wow. 701 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,440 After he'd come out? After. 702 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,760 Wow, OK. After he'd come out and... 703 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,400 Yeah, after we broke up. That is true, that is true. 704 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,560 I commend you on coming out to Isabelle, and being brave, 705 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,360 but I don't think sleeping in the same bed with someone after... 706 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,920 That's not healthy for either of you. 707 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,400 Can you see how, obviously, 708 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,760 that's going to confuse the hell out of her? 709 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,600 I was still in love with you, James. We were so intense. 710 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,800 I saw you as, like, my forever. 711 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,440 Now, looking back at it, you know, after I came to you, 712 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,440 maybe I was leading you on, because your feelings were still there. 713 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,160 So I want to apologise for that. 714 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,120 It just all spiralled out of control. 715 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,400 You know, this is just really hard, you know, to intake. 716 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:39,800 We've been through a lot together. 717 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,360 It's just a matter of time to get my head around this whole thing. 718 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,360 What do you want to... I'm so ready to move on from this. 719 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,320 I know it's going to be hard. It's going to be very hard. 720 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,480 I really am deeply sorry. 721 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,920 You've done something to James, which you've admitted wasn't right. 722 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,240 Yeah. 723 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,800 The reasons that you did it, we understand now. 724 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,680 But you've done things that you don't feel proud of, 725 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,760 so... No, not at all. 726 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,920 Whether you guys continue, in what capacity you continue, 727 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,400 that's for you guys to decide. But thank you so much, Isabelle, 728 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,440 for being so brave. 729 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,200 I can see that you've been nervous. James? 730 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,120 Cheers for going on this journey with us, and we wish you all the best. 731 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,480 I appreciate you guys too. Thank you. 732 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,440 It was nice to see you. Nice to see you. Thank you. 733 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,800 Come on, let's get you home. Come on, then. 734 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,080 Thanks, Isabelle. Bye, Isabelle. 735 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,880 (computer rings) 736 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,080 Hi, James! Hey, how's it going? 737 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,440 Hi, not bad. How are you? We're very well. 738 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,840 Obviously, last time we left you, it was fraught, emotional. 739 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,880 What's happened with you since? 740 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,240 After finding out that she catfished me, 741 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,240 there was trust issues between us. 742 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,400 But I would say, in time, we will get back to where we were. 743 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,480 Are yous working towards being - friends again? - We are. 744 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,200 Have yous hooked up since? 745 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,360 No, we haven't, no. Your advice made me wake up and realise, 746 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,360 I was part of the blame, to why her feelings were still there. 747 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,320 You were getting filmed. Have you tightened security on social media? 748 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,720 Have you stopped sharing your location? 749 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,440 I have. My location is turned off. Great. 750 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,560 Doing that, has that stopped the videos being sent to you, 751 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,320 or is that still happening? No, the last video I had 752 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,680 was the last video. Well, that's positive. 753 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,160 James, well, listen, it's been an absolute pleasure. 754 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,840 Thank you very much for the call. See you. 755 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,600 OK!I'm glad things have gone well with him. 756 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,920 Yes. Shall we give Isabelle a call, then? 757 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,280 Yes, let's do it. 758 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,840 (computer rings) 759 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,320 Hi. - Hey! - Hi! 760 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,240 How are you? Yeah, good. 761 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,440 A lot's happened between me and James. 762 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,240 We spoke about things, about us, and I did say, 763 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,720 "Look, we need to keep these boundaries," 764 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,640 and they have, and we've both kind of moved on. 765 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,640 I've deleted the account. Great. 766 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,360 There's been no hooking up, right? No, nothing. 767 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,240 Yay! Well, thank you, Isabelle. 768 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,720 Yeah, and we wish you all the best. 769 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:32,600 Likewise. See you, Isabelle. 770 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,040 Bye, Isabelle! Bye! 771 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,640 Ah... I think we actually did a really good job. 772 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,360 Yeah, we did. We smashed it. We're a dynamic team. 773 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,360 Difficult situation. Who pulled them through it? 774 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,040 We did. Let's go.