1 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,069 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: A remote dirt road. 2 00:00:21,174 --> 00:00:23,641 A desperate 911 call. 3 00:00:23,744 --> 00:00:25,029 [phone ringing] 4 00:00:25,134 --> 00:00:27,294 [sobbing and heavy breathing] 5 00:00:32,396 --> 00:00:34,898 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: And a killer waiting in the darkness. 6 00:00:46,053 --> 00:00:49,702 I think when she had him change the life insurance 7 00:00:49,806 --> 00:00:53,072 to make her the primary 100% beneficiary, 8 00:00:53,176 --> 00:00:56,303 his days were numbered at that point. 9 00:00:56,409 --> 00:00:57,415 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: The victim 10 00:00:57,519 --> 00:01:00,646 is Fire Captain Robert Poynter. 11 00:01:00,751 --> 00:01:04,089 But who would want to murder a heroic first responder. 12 00:01:04,192 --> 00:01:07,735 The loving father of three daughters. 13 00:01:07,839 --> 00:01:09,821 Could his wife be responsible? 14 00:01:09,925 --> 00:01:13,296 I got a phone call from my Battalion Chief 15 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:18,647 and he just said, hey, you know, we just need to let 16 00:01:18,751 --> 00:01:22,121 you know man that Bob's dead. 17 00:01:22,225 --> 00:01:26,743 And my first reaction, in my head, 18 00:01:26,847 --> 00:01:30,704 was, she killed him didn't she? 19 00:01:30,809 --> 00:01:34,423 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: If so, why would she do it? 20 00:01:34,527 --> 00:01:37,272 If I could sum this case up in one sentence 21 00:01:37,377 --> 00:01:39,322 I would say this was a case about sex, 22 00:01:39,427 --> 00:01:41,164 lies, money and murder. 23 00:01:41,268 --> 00:01:42,971 We've been having problems. 24 00:01:43,075 --> 00:01:46,411 Where I was coming to meet him at the Jack in the Box so 25 00:01:46,516 --> 00:01:47,767 we could talk. 26 00:01:47,871 --> 00:01:49,399 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Nearly half 27 00:01:49,503 --> 00:01:53,117 of the women who are murdered are killed by their partners. 28 00:01:53,222 --> 00:01:59,025 But men are also increasingly victims of domestic homicide. 29 00:01:59,129 --> 00:02:01,631 Are you sure the person lying next to you 30 00:02:01,735 --> 00:02:03,577 in bed would never hurt you? 31 00:02:03,681 --> 00:02:08,685 If not, you might have to pay more attention. 32 00:02:08,789 --> 00:02:12,333 I'm Michelle Trachtenberg, and it's time for another tale 33 00:02:12,438 --> 00:02:14,557 of Meet Marry Murder. 34 00:02:30,229 --> 00:02:31,792 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Captain Robert Poynter 35 00:02:31,897 --> 00:02:33,844 is a true American hero. 36 00:02:33,948 --> 00:02:37,839 A beloved family man, so admired by friends and colleagues 37 00:02:37,944 --> 00:02:43,051 alike, that he was called a gentle giant. 38 00:02:43,155 --> 00:02:44,963 He was a-- 39 00:02:45,067 --> 00:02:50,697 I would say, a true firefighter's firefighter. 40 00:02:50,801 --> 00:02:54,137 I mean, he loved doing that. 41 00:02:56,811 --> 00:02:58,167 He was always calm. 42 00:02:58,271 --> 00:03:02,789 He was never, never get worked up, has never raised his voice. 43 00:03:02,893 --> 00:03:06,647 And, so he was, he just knew exactly 44 00:03:06,749 --> 00:03:10,329 what he was doing at all times. 45 00:03:10,433 --> 00:03:12,726 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Tales of Robert's humble heroism 46 00:03:12,830 --> 00:03:17,279 were well known in his hometown of Royse City, Texas. 47 00:03:17,383 --> 00:03:20,859 It was a Six Alarm fire, the biggest 48 00:03:20,963 --> 00:03:23,222 fire in our city's history. 49 00:03:23,326 --> 00:03:26,140 And there was a little girl, I don't 50 00:03:26,245 --> 00:03:30,449 know how old she was, five or six, little blonde headed girl. 51 00:03:30,552 --> 00:03:33,263 And she was scared and she was crying. 52 00:03:33,368 --> 00:03:35,661 And Bob noticed. 53 00:03:35,765 --> 00:03:40,735 And there's a picture of him and he's sweating, he's hot. 54 00:03:40,839 --> 00:03:44,174 And he's bending down, and he's hugging the little girl, 55 00:03:44,278 --> 00:03:45,738 who he didn't even know. 56 00:03:45,842 --> 00:03:49,317 Just letting her know, hey, we're fine, everybody's OK, 57 00:03:49,421 --> 00:03:50,429 we're safe. 58 00:03:50,534 --> 00:03:53,731 And, that's who he was. 59 00:03:53,835 --> 00:03:55,850 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Robert, otherwise known as Bob, 60 00:03:55,954 --> 00:03:59,116 met his first wife Amy back in high school. 61 00:03:59,220 --> 00:04:01,514 Bob's, just, you know, a good guy. 62 00:04:01,617 --> 00:04:05,475 He has married his childhood sweetheart, Amy. 63 00:04:05,580 --> 00:04:08,290 After 20 years of marriage and two daughters, 64 00:04:08,394 --> 00:04:13,502 Nicole and Natalie, Bob and Amy were ready to call it quits. 65 00:04:13,606 --> 00:04:15,587 Man, he loved his girls. 66 00:04:15,691 --> 00:04:18,123 He would literally work his fingers 67 00:04:18,227 --> 00:04:20,174 to the bone for those girls. 68 00:04:25,109 --> 00:04:30,599 He would take every opportunity he could to work extra jobs, 69 00:04:30,703 --> 00:04:33,586 to work extra hours, to work overtime, 70 00:04:33,691 --> 00:04:36,679 to do whatever he could to earn money. 71 00:04:36,783 --> 00:04:41,162 And that money was always for his girls. 72 00:04:41,266 --> 00:04:44,185 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: By 2008, Bob and Amy's marriage 73 00:04:44,188 --> 00:04:45,372 was all but over. 74 00:04:45,475 --> 00:04:49,227 The final nail in the coffin was Nicole's discovery 75 00:04:49,331 --> 00:04:52,077 that her dad had a secret cell phone, 76 00:04:52,182 --> 00:04:53,954 and was having an affair. 77 00:04:54,058 --> 00:04:57,741 Nicole tells mom that dad's having an affair 78 00:04:57,845 --> 00:04:59,374 with this other woman. 79 00:04:59,479 --> 00:05:01,841 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Bob had started dating Chacey Tyler 80 00:05:01,946 --> 00:05:04,481 Morman back in December 2007. 81 00:05:04,586 --> 00:05:07,784 She was younger than his wife, not much older 82 00:05:07,888 --> 00:05:09,798 than his daughters actually. 83 00:05:09,904 --> 00:05:13,901 Chacey Tyler Morman is a 20-year-old nurse's aide. 84 00:05:14,004 --> 00:05:15,533 And she's a flirt. 85 00:05:15,637 --> 00:05:18,521 She's been hanging around Bob's fire station. 86 00:05:18,626 --> 00:05:21,024 Checks to see when Bob's going to be there. 87 00:05:21,127 --> 00:05:24,359 Make sure that he sees her, and little by little, 88 00:05:24,463 --> 00:05:27,834 she worms her way into his life. 89 00:05:27,938 --> 00:05:29,223 She was younger. 90 00:05:29,327 --> 00:05:32,350 And she told him things he wanted to hear. 91 00:05:32,455 --> 00:05:35,652 And so, I think, she knew exactly what she was doing, 92 00:05:35,756 --> 00:05:38,433 you know. 93 00:05:38,537 --> 00:05:42,185 She was the one that pursued him. 94 00:05:42,289 --> 00:05:44,513 And she really, really pushed it. 95 00:05:44,617 --> 00:05:52,645 Unfortunately, you know, Bob, he just he took it all in. 96 00:05:52,749 --> 00:05:56,015 To me, the big thing about this case, 97 00:05:56,119 --> 00:05:59,072 is what a manipulative person Chacey Poynter was. 98 00:05:59,175 --> 00:06:01,538 I've never seen anything like it. 99 00:06:01,643 --> 00:06:04,041 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Brian Frederick, a criminologist, 100 00:06:04,145 --> 00:06:06,543 and expert on the Chacey Poynter story, 101 00:06:06,647 --> 00:06:11,061 believes that Chacey saw Bob as something of a challenge. 102 00:06:11,165 --> 00:06:15,127 So once Chacey Poynter set her sights on him, 103 00:06:15,231 --> 00:06:16,344 all bets are off. 104 00:06:19,297 --> 00:06:22,702 The fact that he was married, and maybe unavailable, 105 00:06:22,807 --> 00:06:25,204 was sort of a game for her. 106 00:06:25,308 --> 00:06:28,435 You know, and if she could get him away from his wife, 107 00:06:28,540 --> 00:06:30,868 that would be a true test of her ability to have 108 00:06:30,972 --> 00:06:32,223 some sort of control over him. 109 00:06:32,327 --> 00:06:33,370 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Chacey was 110 00:06:33,474 --> 00:06:35,803 able to get enough control over Bob 111 00:06:35,907 --> 00:06:37,887 to convince him to divorce Amy. 112 00:06:37,991 --> 00:06:42,473 And by May 2009, to start a new family with her. 113 00:06:42,577 --> 00:06:46,539 December 28, 2009, Chacey and Bob get married. 114 00:06:46,643 --> 00:06:48,694 They've been seeing each other now for two years 115 00:06:48,799 --> 00:06:51,716 and now they have a little child together. 116 00:06:51,820 --> 00:06:53,142 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: According to experts, 117 00:06:53,246 --> 00:06:56,026 the speed at which Bob and Chacey's relationship 118 00:06:56,130 --> 00:07:00,369 progressed, commonly leads to big problems later on. 119 00:07:00,473 --> 00:07:02,732 Chacey and Robert didn't have the most ideal 120 00:07:02,836 --> 00:07:04,400 start to their relationship. 121 00:07:04,505 --> 00:07:07,875 They started off as an affair, she got pregnant very quickly. 122 00:07:07,979 --> 00:07:09,577 And I think that really locked down 123 00:07:09,681 --> 00:07:11,455 the relationship much faster than, maybe, both of them 124 00:07:11,558 --> 00:07:12,740 were intending. 125 00:07:12,845 --> 00:07:15,172 So what had started out as a fun fling, 126 00:07:15,276 --> 00:07:18,891 really, turned into a huge responsibility 127 00:07:18,994 --> 00:07:20,245 on both their parts. 128 00:07:20,349 --> 00:07:21,774 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Having a new young wife 129 00:07:21,878 --> 00:07:26,431 quickly proved to be a drain on Bob's bank account too. 130 00:07:26,534 --> 00:07:29,558 She was a very manipulative person. 131 00:07:29,661 --> 00:07:33,345 A very materialistic person. 132 00:07:33,450 --> 00:07:36,994 I mean, when you looked at her text messages, with Robert, 133 00:07:37,098 --> 00:07:41,963 it was one big purchase or vacation to the next. 134 00:07:42,067 --> 00:07:44,604 That's how she seemed to live. 135 00:07:44,708 --> 00:07:45,821 What's my next big purchase? 136 00:07:45,925 --> 00:07:47,210 What's my next vacation? 137 00:07:47,315 --> 00:07:49,850 That's kind of how she lives. 138 00:07:49,955 --> 00:07:52,040 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Bob soon realized that there was 139 00:07:52,144 --> 00:07:53,952 a lot more to Chacey than just being 140 00:07:54,056 --> 00:07:56,732 manipulative and materialistic. 141 00:07:56,836 --> 00:08:00,380 Unfortunately, none of it was good. 142 00:08:00,484 --> 00:08:02,952 She had real bad mood swings. 143 00:08:03,056 --> 00:08:07,712 She would come, sometimes, and she would be smiling. 144 00:08:07,816 --> 00:08:09,727 And then, the next thing you know, 145 00:08:09,832 --> 00:08:14,939 they would be in the offices, and she'd be screaming at him. 146 00:08:15,044 --> 00:08:17,929 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Compared to Bob's first marriage-- which 147 00:08:18,033 --> 00:08:22,375 did last 20 years, his second marriage to Chacey, 148 00:08:22,481 --> 00:08:26,025 was on the rocks from almost the very beginning. 149 00:08:26,129 --> 00:08:29,951 So just how dangerous, and manipulative, 150 00:08:30,056 --> 00:08:31,897 was Chacey Poynter? 151 00:08:32,001 --> 00:08:35,232 Well, you're about to find out. 152 00:08:35,337 --> 00:08:37,457 There was-- there was a loud shot. 153 00:08:37,561 --> 00:08:39,228 I had my phone in my back pocket. 154 00:08:39,333 --> 00:08:40,202 And I called-- 155 00:08:40,307 --> 00:08:42,114 I called-- I-- I just-- 156 00:08:42,217 --> 00:08:43,331 I-- I ran. 157 00:08:43,434 --> 00:08:47,256 I didn't know what else to do. 158 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,044 [music playing] 159 00:08:58,794 --> 00:09:00,043 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Before marrying 160 00:09:00,147 --> 00:09:04,039 his much younger second wife, Bob Poynter got 161 00:09:04,143 --> 00:09:05,986 her to sign a prenup agreement. 162 00:09:06,090 --> 00:09:10,989 Which makes you wonder, did he already suspect that she 163 00:09:11,094 --> 00:09:13,040 had an ulterior motive? 164 00:09:13,143 --> 00:09:15,819 It gives you the indication that, perhaps, Robert 165 00:09:15,924 --> 00:09:17,418 didn't fully trust Chacey. 166 00:09:17,522 --> 00:09:20,094 After all, he didn't really know her very well at the time 167 00:09:20,199 --> 00:09:21,552 that they were getting married. 168 00:09:21,656 --> 00:09:24,819 And perhaps, he just wanted to safeguard his assets, 169 00:09:24,923 --> 00:09:30,205 in case she wasn't very sincere about her actual love for him. 170 00:09:30,309 --> 00:09:31,699 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Bob and Chacey's prenup 171 00:09:31,803 --> 00:09:34,722 stipulated that in the event of divorce, 172 00:09:34,826 --> 00:09:38,267 Bob's money would be split between his three daughters. 173 00:09:38,371 --> 00:09:43,758 But Chacey, she wouldn't be entitled to a single dime. 174 00:09:43,861 --> 00:09:47,684 I believe that it was totally about the money. 175 00:09:47,788 --> 00:09:50,359 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Knowing that her prenup was ironclad, 176 00:09:50,464 --> 00:09:53,314 Chacey persuaded Bob to take out a fat life 177 00:09:53,418 --> 00:09:56,093 insurance policy, just in case. 178 00:09:56,198 --> 00:09:58,700 There was a life insurance policy. 179 00:09:58,804 --> 00:10:03,877 A $680,000 life insurance policy that Bob had. 180 00:10:03,981 --> 00:10:08,950 And Chacey had talked him into changing it 181 00:10:09,054 --> 00:10:11,035 so that instead of his daughters, 182 00:10:11,140 --> 00:10:14,406 she would be the primary beneficiary. 183 00:10:14,510 --> 00:10:17,672 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Beneficiary, or no, by 2010, 184 00:10:17,776 --> 00:10:21,633 Chacey knew that her marriage was headed for stormy waters. 185 00:10:21,737 --> 00:10:25,177 About three years into that marriage 186 00:10:25,282 --> 00:10:27,958 things start falling apart. 187 00:10:28,063 --> 00:10:31,363 It was pretty evident that there were problems. 188 00:10:31,467 --> 00:10:33,343 You could see it. 189 00:10:33,449 --> 00:10:37,756 And on phone conversations, conversations 190 00:10:37,861 --> 00:10:39,703 they would have at the fire station. 191 00:10:39,807 --> 00:10:47,451 She was sometimes really loud and she would call him 192 00:10:47,555 --> 00:10:49,398 every name in the book when they would 193 00:10:49,502 --> 00:10:52,072 get into arguments about stuff. 194 00:10:52,177 --> 00:10:55,235 So, it was, you know, like I said very evident 195 00:10:55,340 --> 00:10:57,077 that they were having issues. 196 00:10:57,181 --> 00:10:59,544 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: All of a sudden, Chacey's wild side 197 00:10:59,648 --> 00:11:01,524 started to kick back in. 198 00:11:01,628 --> 00:11:03,088 She lost a bunch of weight. 199 00:11:03,192 --> 00:11:05,834 A fact, which was not lost on Bob. 200 00:11:05,938 --> 00:11:09,691 She says, Bob doesn't find her as attractive anymore. 201 00:11:09,794 --> 00:11:13,513 But Chacey has this newfound confidence. 202 00:11:13,617 --> 00:11:16,536 And she starts hitting the bars, and the nightclubs, 203 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,489 going out and meeting men. 204 00:11:19,593 --> 00:11:21,193 Chacey Poynter lost a lot of weight. 205 00:11:21,296 --> 00:11:23,973 And she started getting attention 206 00:11:24,076 --> 00:11:25,571 from all these other men. 207 00:11:29,323 --> 00:11:32,833 So, she starts meeting a lot of men, 208 00:11:32,937 --> 00:11:35,996 and not just meeting them, but she's hooking up with them. 209 00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:41,972 She was, just from knowing how, you know, from the stories 210 00:11:42,076 --> 00:11:50,242 that I heard from Bob, she was always, always about her first. 211 00:11:50,346 --> 00:11:52,536 It was always about her first. 212 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:54,134 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: In fact, Chacey, 213 00:11:54,238 --> 00:11:56,879 was so all about Chacey, that she'd 214 00:11:56,983 --> 00:12:00,355 leave even her four-year-old daughter with Bob's daughter, 215 00:12:00,459 --> 00:12:02,822 Natalie, to go out on dates. 216 00:12:02,926 --> 00:12:06,574 And she's so bold that she actually has Natalie stay 217 00:12:06,678 --> 00:12:09,771 at home to babysit the four-year-old child, while she 218 00:12:09,875 --> 00:12:11,786 goes out cheating on her dad. 219 00:12:14,218 --> 00:12:15,922 Chacey didn't seem to have too much 220 00:12:16,026 --> 00:12:18,041 concern about being caught. 221 00:12:18,145 --> 00:12:20,508 And that could be because she was just brazen, 222 00:12:20,612 --> 00:12:23,705 or because, she was want to be caught. 223 00:12:23,809 --> 00:12:26,310 But she would do things, like, leave 224 00:12:26,415 --> 00:12:30,238 her Facebook open with messages, that 225 00:12:30,343 --> 00:12:33,713 could easily be read by anyone. 226 00:12:33,817 --> 00:12:35,311 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: But as hurt as he was, 227 00:12:35,417 --> 00:12:40,107 Bob was still trying to hold his marriage to Chacey together. 228 00:12:40,210 --> 00:12:43,374 Well, Bob is obviously devastated. 229 00:12:43,478 --> 00:12:46,084 He had gone through a divorce before, 230 00:12:46,187 --> 00:12:51,469 and he did not want to go through that again. 231 00:12:51,573 --> 00:12:53,485 And it was all because of his daughter. 232 00:12:53,589 --> 00:12:57,202 You know, he did not want to hurt her that way. 233 00:12:57,307 --> 00:13:03,249 And, so, he expressed that to me a lot. 234 00:13:03,353 --> 00:13:05,092 He did not want to leave her. 235 00:13:05,195 --> 00:13:08,602 No matter what, he did not want to leave that baby girl of his. 236 00:13:08,705 --> 00:13:10,233 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: In a last ditch effort 237 00:13:10,338 --> 00:13:12,666 to save his marriage, Bob even books 238 00:13:12,771 --> 00:13:15,202 a romantic getaway, in the hope of making 239 00:13:15,307 --> 00:13:17,461 things right with Chacey. 240 00:13:17,565 --> 00:13:19,059 Robert had found out that Chacey 241 00:13:19,164 --> 00:13:22,326 had been cheating on him a few days prior to the vacation. 242 00:13:22,431 --> 00:13:26,427 But they went down there anyway to try to, you know, 243 00:13:26,531 --> 00:13:28,268 work things out one last time. 244 00:13:28,372 --> 00:13:29,728 And from what we could tell, it just 245 00:13:29,832 --> 00:13:31,084 didn't go very well at all. 246 00:13:31,187 --> 00:13:34,523 She was texting two of her different men 247 00:13:34,627 --> 00:13:36,816 that she was having affairs with, constantly, 248 00:13:36,921 --> 00:13:38,588 over this time period. 249 00:13:38,692 --> 00:13:40,814 So it appears, whatever they wanted to accomplish, 250 00:13:40,917 --> 00:13:43,593 or Robert at least wanted to accomplish in Mexico, 251 00:13:43,696 --> 00:13:45,330 did not happen. 252 00:13:45,434 --> 00:13:46,616 So it doesn't appear to have been 253 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,264 a very successful, from his point of view, 254 00:13:50,368 --> 00:13:54,990 vacation in bringing the family back together. 255 00:13:55,094 --> 00:13:57,318 He called me the day they got back. 256 00:13:57,423 --> 00:14:00,863 And he told me then, he's like, that's it. 257 00:14:00,967 --> 00:14:03,226 When he called me, you know, I just said, hey, 258 00:14:03,330 --> 00:14:04,163 how's it going brother? 259 00:14:04,267 --> 00:14:06,874 And he said, not good. 260 00:14:06,979 --> 00:14:10,975 You know that's it, I'm contacting my lawyer. 261 00:14:11,079 --> 00:14:13,858 Bob didn't seem really sure where his relationship 262 00:14:13,962 --> 00:14:16,186 was going in September. 263 00:14:16,291 --> 00:14:19,174 He emailed his divorce attorney, at the same time 264 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:21,572 he was text messaging Chacey, trying 265 00:14:21,676 --> 00:14:24,978 to find out if they could talk and get together and reconcile. 266 00:14:25,082 --> 00:14:27,862 He files for divorce, but he doesn't 267 00:14:27,966 --> 00:14:29,182 actually go through with it. 268 00:14:29,287 --> 00:14:31,301 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: While Bob may have been waffling 269 00:14:31,405 --> 00:14:33,734 on getting Chacey to sign the divorce papers, 270 00:14:33,838 --> 00:14:37,801 Chacey knew, exactly, what she wanted to get from Bob. 271 00:14:37,905 --> 00:14:40,684 And I don't believe she wanted to be with Robert Poynter. 272 00:14:40,788 --> 00:14:42,735 But Robert Poynter made very good money. 273 00:14:42,838 --> 00:14:45,967 Made over $100,000 a year as a Captain 274 00:14:46,071 --> 00:14:47,668 with the University Fire Department, 275 00:14:47,773 --> 00:14:49,267 he worked a lot of overtime. 276 00:14:49,371 --> 00:14:51,075 He'd bought her a lot of nice things, 277 00:14:51,177 --> 00:14:54,931 let her redo the houses, like she went bought her a jeep, 278 00:14:55,036 --> 00:14:57,467 she wanted to get breast enhancements. 279 00:14:57,573 --> 00:14:59,622 So she became accustomed to that lifestyle 280 00:14:59,726 --> 00:15:02,507 that he could provide for her. 281 00:15:02,611 --> 00:15:04,730 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Caught between wanting to leave Bob, 282 00:15:04,834 --> 00:15:06,919 but needing to stay for his money, 283 00:15:07,023 --> 00:15:10,603 Chacey had a tough decision to make. 284 00:15:10,707 --> 00:15:13,869 She stood to gain a lot of money if Bob were dead. 285 00:15:13,973 --> 00:15:17,483 On the other hand, if they were to divorce she'd be penniless. 286 00:15:17,587 --> 00:15:18,942 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: That's about the time 287 00:15:19,046 --> 00:15:22,870 Chacey decided to end her marriage, permanently. 288 00:15:22,974 --> 00:15:26,101 I believe she'd been planning this murder for a while. 289 00:15:26,205 --> 00:15:28,429 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: During the summer of 2016, 290 00:15:28,533 --> 00:15:32,252 Chacey's extracurricular love life, suddenly, 291 00:15:32,356 --> 00:15:34,022 got very active. 292 00:15:34,127 --> 00:15:35,866 She was having multiple affairs. 293 00:15:35,970 --> 00:15:37,498 There were four different affairs 294 00:15:37,602 --> 00:15:42,606 that had gone on, that we know of, within the last 12 months. 295 00:15:42,711 --> 00:15:44,170 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: As a criminologist, 296 00:15:44,274 --> 00:15:46,463 Dr. Brian Frederick's specialty is 297 00:15:46,568 --> 00:15:49,313 in intimate partner violence. 298 00:15:49,417 --> 00:15:53,900 So psychopaths are known for being sexually promiscuous. 299 00:15:54,004 --> 00:15:57,340 And, you know, it's probably not a requirement 300 00:15:57,444 --> 00:16:00,502 that they be attractive, right. 301 00:16:00,607 --> 00:16:06,547 But, you know, she did have sort of this femininity about her. 302 00:16:06,653 --> 00:16:10,927 That she most likely used to her advantage, quite successfully. 303 00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:12,594 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Chacey starts 304 00:16:12,699 --> 00:16:15,687 telling each of her boyfriends that she wants Bob gone. 305 00:16:15,791 --> 00:16:18,154 She was running this con on multiple men 306 00:16:18,259 --> 00:16:19,892 almost in an indiscriminate way. 307 00:16:19,996 --> 00:16:22,080 Kind of, like, just throwing anything at the wall 308 00:16:22,185 --> 00:16:25,694 and seeing what would stick. 309 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,969 So charm, lies, manipulation, these are all characteristics 310 00:16:30,073 --> 00:16:33,097 of a psychopath. 311 00:16:33,201 --> 00:16:34,659 And she talks about wanting him 312 00:16:34,763 --> 00:16:36,745 dead in multiple of these text messages, 313 00:16:36,849 --> 00:16:38,100 to all these different men. 314 00:16:38,204 --> 00:16:40,359 Now, most of them didn't take the bait, you know. 315 00:16:40,463 --> 00:16:42,409 They told her leave him, call the police, 316 00:16:42,513 --> 00:16:46,543 the normal reactions that most people would have, 317 00:16:46,648 --> 00:16:48,386 if that were true. 318 00:16:48,490 --> 00:16:50,645 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: But Chacey didn't leave. 319 00:16:50,749 --> 00:16:54,049 Instead, she pushed the lie that Bob was 320 00:16:54,154 --> 00:16:56,551 an abusive and violent husband. 321 00:16:56,655 --> 00:17:00,965 Chacey starts complaining that Bob is taking testosterone 322 00:17:01,068 --> 00:17:04,335 and steroids, she says, because he's treating 323 00:17:04,438 --> 00:17:06,072 a low testosterone problem. 324 00:17:06,177 --> 00:17:10,555 And she says it's making him angry and abusive. 325 00:17:10,660 --> 00:17:14,655 But it is very interesting that Chacey was already pinning 326 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,323 these behaviors on Robert. 327 00:17:16,427 --> 00:17:17,853 It's almost as if she was already 328 00:17:17,957 --> 00:17:21,744 building a case against why he was a horrible person, 329 00:17:21,848 --> 00:17:23,689 and why she had to do away with him. 330 00:17:23,794 --> 00:17:25,844 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Anyone who knew Bob, however, 331 00:17:25,949 --> 00:17:28,693 also knew the abuse Chacey was accusing him of, 332 00:17:28,797 --> 00:17:30,327 couldn't possibly be true. 333 00:17:30,432 --> 00:17:34,879 Around this time, Bob's grown daughter, Natalie-- 334 00:17:34,984 --> 00:17:37,972 she's 16 at the time, moves in with them. 335 00:17:38,076 --> 00:17:40,995 And she lives there for about six months 336 00:17:41,099 --> 00:17:43,428 and she says she never, in that time 337 00:17:43,532 --> 00:17:45,826 that she lived with them, ever saw any evidence 338 00:17:45,930 --> 00:17:48,813 at all of any abuse. 339 00:17:48,918 --> 00:17:52,601 Chacey claimed that Robert was abusive towards her. 340 00:17:52,706 --> 00:17:55,520 And we found no evidence of that. 341 00:17:55,624 --> 00:17:57,118 We talked to his ex-wife who said, 342 00:17:57,222 --> 00:17:59,168 Robert was a big old teddy bear. 343 00:18:01,705 --> 00:18:04,137 She did not act like a battered woman in any way 344 00:18:04,241 --> 00:18:05,458 that we could find. 345 00:18:05,562 --> 00:18:08,654 There was never any phone calls to police. 346 00:18:08,758 --> 00:18:11,956 None of her friends got up on the witness stand 347 00:18:12,061 --> 00:18:13,173 and testify to that. 348 00:18:13,278 --> 00:18:14,666 People who were friends testified 349 00:18:14,770 --> 00:18:17,794 the opposite, that Chacey was the dominant person 350 00:18:17,898 --> 00:18:20,018 in this relationship 351 00:18:20,122 --> 00:18:21,442 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Chacey's lies 352 00:18:21,547 --> 00:18:24,744 about Bob were about one thing, and one thing only, 353 00:18:24,848 --> 00:18:28,323 hoping that one of her many nights in shining armor 354 00:18:28,427 --> 00:18:30,268 would come to her rescue. 355 00:18:30,373 --> 00:18:33,812 She had so many of them that she was bound to find one, 356 00:18:33,916 --> 00:18:36,036 that was so wrapped up in her story, 357 00:18:36,140 --> 00:18:37,844 and who he thought she was. 358 00:18:37,948 --> 00:18:41,457 That he might have seen it as an opportunity to save 359 00:18:41,562 --> 00:18:43,681 the person who he admired. 360 00:18:43,786 --> 00:18:47,643 I mean this is a Machiavellian trait cunning, 361 00:18:47,747 --> 00:18:51,396 manipulative, and unscrupulous. 362 00:18:51,499 --> 00:18:53,896 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Chacey had a plan. 363 00:18:54,001 --> 00:18:56,295 All she needed was a man. 364 00:18:56,399 --> 00:18:59,040 The question was, which one would 365 00:18:59,145 --> 00:19:04,044 she be able to dupe into helping her murder her husband? 366 00:19:04,148 --> 00:19:05,539 POLICE OFFICER: Let me ask you this, OK? 367 00:19:05,643 --> 00:19:06,893 And I need to be honest with me OK? 368 00:19:06,998 --> 00:19:09,292 Were you out here with anyone else, other than? 369 00:19:09,395 --> 00:19:10,369 No. 370 00:19:23,677 --> 00:19:26,004 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: By 2016, Chacey Poynter 371 00:19:26,108 --> 00:19:29,723 was busy plotting the murder of her husband Bob. 372 00:19:29,827 --> 00:19:34,310 But she had no intention of pulling the trigger herself. 373 00:19:34,414 --> 00:19:37,994 She believed a man named, Michael Glenn Garza, 374 00:19:38,098 --> 00:19:39,453 would do it for her. 375 00:19:39,557 --> 00:19:41,711 In the summer of 2016, she met a guy 376 00:19:41,816 --> 00:19:45,430 named Michael Garza on Facebook, and then began a relationship. 377 00:19:45,534 --> 00:19:48,696 Michael is just, he's bananas over her. 378 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,101 He is madly in love with Chacey. 379 00:19:52,206 --> 00:19:54,777 Michael Garza is the one who took the bait. 380 00:19:54,881 --> 00:19:57,453 So I think she was kind of baiting all of these men, 381 00:19:57,557 --> 00:20:00,373 to see who would tell her what she wanted to hear. 382 00:20:00,477 --> 00:20:03,047 And then she finally found that in Michael Garza. 383 00:20:03,152 --> 00:20:04,228 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Now that she 384 00:20:04,333 --> 00:20:06,175 had a pawn willing to do her bidding, 385 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:09,267 Chacey starts putting her plan into action. 386 00:20:09,372 --> 00:20:14,689 She started to really trash Robert, to Michael. 387 00:20:14,792 --> 00:20:16,321 He was the type of guy-- 388 00:20:16,425 --> 00:20:17,920 he thought Chacey was the best thing 389 00:20:18,025 --> 00:20:19,552 that he was ever going to get. 390 00:20:19,656 --> 00:20:22,019 And she was very manipulative with him. 391 00:20:22,124 --> 00:20:24,105 Well, Michael Garza hears this, 392 00:20:24,209 --> 00:20:27,892 and you know he's very protective of Chacey. 393 00:20:27,997 --> 00:20:31,749 So, Chacey works that story. 394 00:20:31,854 --> 00:20:33,382 She puts this in his head. 395 00:20:33,487 --> 00:20:37,552 Here's this bully of a husband, this brute, who's brutalizing 396 00:20:37,657 --> 00:20:39,394 this beautiful young woman. 397 00:20:39,499 --> 00:20:42,001 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: But while Chacey is busy badmouthing Bob, 398 00:20:42,105 --> 00:20:45,024 Bob is still trying to patch things up with Chacey. 399 00:20:45,128 --> 00:20:49,750 On September 8, 2016, the day before the murder, 400 00:20:49,854 --> 00:20:55,032 Bob texts Chacey and says, look, I think 401 00:20:55,137 --> 00:20:56,387 we can really work this out. 402 00:20:56,490 --> 00:20:57,534 Let's try. 403 00:20:57,637 --> 00:21:00,278 Let's give this marriage a go. 404 00:21:00,383 --> 00:21:04,448 But on the same day, he contacts the divorce lawyer. 405 00:21:04,553 --> 00:21:07,402 So he's covering his bases here. 406 00:21:07,506 --> 00:21:08,687 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Chacey suspects 407 00:21:08,792 --> 00:21:10,737 Bob is hedging his bets. 408 00:21:10,841 --> 00:21:13,378 So she decides to up the ante. 409 00:21:13,482 --> 00:21:16,263 No, and I think that what made her do it when she did it, 410 00:21:16,367 --> 00:21:18,104 was finding out that, hey he's going to leave me. 411 00:21:18,209 --> 00:21:20,328 So that the window of opportunity 412 00:21:20,433 --> 00:21:22,240 here is closing for me. 413 00:21:22,344 --> 00:21:23,699 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: After spending the day 414 00:21:23,802 --> 00:21:26,443 with her lover, Michael Garza, on the night 415 00:21:26,548 --> 00:21:31,726 of September 9, 2016, Chacey sends her husband a message. 416 00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:35,791 Chacey texts Bob, and she says, yes Bob, 417 00:21:35,895 --> 00:21:37,563 let's try to work this out. 418 00:21:37,668 --> 00:21:39,162 I think we can save this marriage 419 00:21:39,265 --> 00:21:41,629 but I really need to talk. 420 00:21:41,733 --> 00:21:44,095 She says, I really love you Bob. 421 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,452 I really do. 422 00:21:45,556 --> 00:21:49,517 And she's texting in all caps emphasizing that. 423 00:21:49,622 --> 00:21:53,514 Over the next couple of hours she engages in these text 424 00:21:53,617 --> 00:21:54,661 messages with Bob. 425 00:21:54,764 --> 00:21:56,571 Kind of like a cat and mouse game. 426 00:21:56,675 --> 00:21:58,656 And she's laying out this trap. 427 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,185 Her plan was-- 428 00:22:00,289 --> 00:22:02,200 she told him we're going to meet up at Jack in the Box 429 00:22:02,304 --> 00:22:04,181 in Royse City, for late night tacos. 430 00:22:04,284 --> 00:22:05,710 And that's something that they used 431 00:22:05,813 --> 00:22:07,934 to do when he was a fireman. 432 00:22:08,038 --> 00:22:12,278 So he worked late hours, long hours. 433 00:22:12,382 --> 00:22:13,806 And he might come home late at night 434 00:22:13,910 --> 00:22:16,377 and he would bring home Jack in the Box tacos for her. 435 00:22:16,482 --> 00:22:18,151 And then some more time goes by 436 00:22:18,254 --> 00:22:20,478 and she says, I'm almost there. 437 00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:24,196 The GPS says I'm three miles away. 438 00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:27,776 15 minutes later Bob sends a text message and says, 439 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,303 long three miles. 440 00:22:31,806 --> 00:22:35,420 All of this two hours worth of texting back and forth, 441 00:22:35,525 --> 00:22:37,679 this little game of hers, she never 442 00:22:37,783 --> 00:22:40,355 had any intention of meeting Bob at a restaurant. 443 00:22:40,459 --> 00:22:42,057 She's actually been having sex with Michael 444 00:22:42,162 --> 00:22:47,686 Garza all afternoon, all night, and they have a plan. 445 00:22:47,791 --> 00:22:49,771 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Finally, Chacey texts Bob 446 00:22:49,875 --> 00:22:52,029 to let him know where she'll be waiting for him. 447 00:22:52,134 --> 00:22:55,402 So Chacey finally leaves Michael Garza's house, 448 00:22:55,505 --> 00:22:57,277 and she gets in her Jeep and she drives 449 00:22:57,382 --> 00:23:03,531 out to this old dirt road, untamed road out in the sticks. 450 00:23:03,636 --> 00:23:07,215 She goes to this place on County Road 2595. 451 00:23:07,318 --> 00:23:09,195 Which is very secluded area, it's 452 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:11,037 not a regularly traveled road. 453 00:23:11,141 --> 00:23:14,408 Then she texts Bob and she says, Bob 454 00:23:14,511 --> 00:23:16,493 my Jeep is stuck in the mud. 455 00:23:16,597 --> 00:23:17,918 Can you help me? 456 00:23:18,022 --> 00:23:21,184 So she knew that this damsel in distress tactic, 457 00:23:21,288 --> 00:23:23,825 that this would, you know, cause some distress in him. 458 00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:26,917 And that she would be able to lure him to wherever she needed 459 00:23:27,021 --> 00:23:28,620 him to be to get the job done. 460 00:23:28,724 --> 00:23:30,184 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Without a second thought, 461 00:23:30,288 --> 00:23:33,693 Bob hops in his truck and heads out to help Chacey. 462 00:23:33,797 --> 00:23:37,064 Well Bob's first responder instincts kick in right away, 463 00:23:37,168 --> 00:23:39,670 and he jumps in his truck and he heads out to rescue 464 00:23:39,774 --> 00:23:40,851 his damsel in distress. 465 00:23:40,955 --> 00:23:41,824 He would just do it. 466 00:23:41,929 --> 00:23:42,763 I'm going to help. 467 00:23:42,867 --> 00:23:44,256 That's just how he was. 468 00:23:44,361 --> 00:23:45,889 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: As Bob gets ready to turn off 469 00:23:45,995 --> 00:23:48,045 the highway onto the small country road, 470 00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:51,102 Chacey is already there waiting for him. 471 00:23:51,206 --> 00:23:54,508 She walked him down that road. 472 00:23:54,612 --> 00:23:56,802 Hand in hand walked him down that road, 473 00:23:56,906 --> 00:23:59,755 that distance, knowing what was coming for him. 474 00:23:59,859 --> 00:24:01,979 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: When Bob gets into Chacey's Jeep, 475 00:24:02,082 --> 00:24:04,968 Michael Garza, is ready and waiting. 476 00:24:05,072 --> 00:24:07,504 He goes to climb in and boom. 477 00:24:07,609 --> 00:24:12,299 Michael Garza had been inside lying in wait with a shotgun. 478 00:24:12,404 --> 00:24:15,843 And he blasted Robert in the temple. 479 00:24:15,948 --> 00:24:20,917 It was obviously a terrible, terrible thing that she 480 00:24:21,021 --> 00:24:22,550 walked him to his death. 481 00:24:22,654 --> 00:24:28,352 That's what struck me is that, how evil it was that she 482 00:24:28,457 --> 00:24:29,882 had no remorse for that. 483 00:24:29,987 --> 00:24:32,280 She just walked him hand in hand down there, where she 484 00:24:32,384 --> 00:24:35,060 knew what was coming for him. 485 00:24:35,164 --> 00:24:36,901 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Chacey then put the next part 486 00:24:37,006 --> 00:24:39,473 of her plan into action. 487 00:24:39,577 --> 00:24:42,357 Meanwhile Chacey is calling 9-1-1. 488 00:24:42,461 --> 00:24:46,213 And she is just acting hysterical. 489 00:24:46,317 --> 00:24:49,480 Royse City Police Department got a phone call 490 00:24:49,584 --> 00:24:53,963 around 10:45, 10:47 PM. 491 00:24:54,067 --> 00:24:57,125 It was a Friday night. 492 00:24:57,229 --> 00:25:03,032 Lady, they could barely hear anything, she's running, 493 00:25:03,135 --> 00:25:04,979 they here her breathing heavily. 494 00:25:05,083 --> 00:25:09,391 They get a ping from the 9-1-1 where her cell phone is. 495 00:25:09,496 --> 00:25:12,067 It's off County Road 2595. 496 00:25:12,172 --> 00:25:15,681 Which is just south of the Royse City High School. 497 00:25:15,785 --> 00:25:16,862 9-1-1 OPERATOR: OK, calm down. 498 00:25:16,966 --> 00:25:18,045 Where are you at? 499 00:25:18,148 --> 00:25:19,156 The county road doesn't even really 500 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:20,199 appear to be a county road. 501 00:25:20,303 --> 00:25:21,762 It looks more like a field. 502 00:25:21,865 --> 00:25:24,715 Their on scene less than three minutes. 503 00:25:24,819 --> 00:25:26,522 POLICE OFFICER: Ms. Poynter? - Yeah, yeah. 504 00:25:26,626 --> 00:25:27,947 POLICE OFFICER: You OK? - Yeah. 505 00:25:28,051 --> 00:25:29,024 POLICE OFFICER: OK. 506 00:25:29,128 --> 00:25:30,414 I just, I keep seeing his face. 507 00:25:30,518 --> 00:25:31,908 POLICE OFFICER: Right. 508 00:25:32,012 --> 00:25:34,724 Once they got there, they immediately 509 00:25:34,828 --> 00:25:37,364 made contact with her, and their body cameras were rolling. 510 00:25:37,468 --> 00:25:41,985 Body cameras are used to record everything as it is. 511 00:25:42,090 --> 00:25:46,954 It removes interpretation, it removes I forgot I said this, 512 00:25:47,059 --> 00:25:49,074 or I didn't say this I said that. 513 00:25:49,177 --> 00:25:52,827 So it's a silent witness that's always credible. 514 00:25:52,931 --> 00:25:54,390 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: As the cops arrive, 515 00:25:54,494 --> 00:25:56,823 Chacey continues her drama show. 516 00:25:56,927 --> 00:25:58,491 That get out there and they say a woman. 517 00:25:58,596 --> 00:26:02,730 She has blood on her, she's hyperventilating, 518 00:26:02,834 --> 00:26:05,719 saying that somebody shot her husband down the road. 519 00:26:05,822 --> 00:26:07,422 We've been having problems. 520 00:26:07,526 --> 00:26:10,826 Where I was coming to meet him at the Jack in the Box so 521 00:26:10,931 --> 00:26:12,495 we could talk. 522 00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:17,290 We used to stop and get tacos at Jack in the Box 523 00:26:17,395 --> 00:26:20,105 when he'd come home late from work. 524 00:26:20,209 --> 00:26:22,676 When I went off the road, that's when I called him. 525 00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:24,448 And I said, I need you to come help me. 526 00:26:24,553 --> 00:26:25,908 And he said, where are you? 527 00:26:26,012 --> 00:26:27,541 And I told him, I said, I'm on a dirt road. 528 00:26:27,645 --> 00:26:29,174 That's all I know, I don't know the numbers. 529 00:26:29,278 --> 00:26:30,702 And so I-- 530 00:26:30,807 --> 00:26:33,865 Probably half a mile down the road, around a bend 531 00:26:33,969 --> 00:26:36,506 that is heavily wooded, and then, Robert Poynter 532 00:26:36,611 --> 00:26:41,301 was sitting there, in a Jeep, Chacey Poynter's Jeep, 533 00:26:41,405 --> 00:26:43,699 with a shotgun blast to the head. 534 00:26:43,804 --> 00:26:45,367 POLICE OFFICER: Breathe for me Ms. Poynter. 535 00:26:45,471 --> 00:26:46,861 Calm down and breathe for me. 536 00:26:46,965 --> 00:26:47,695 OK? 537 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,911 I got some questions. 538 00:26:49,015 --> 00:26:50,093 I'm trying to fill in some holes, OK? 539 00:26:50,197 --> 00:26:51,343 OK. 540 00:26:51,447 --> 00:26:52,490 POLICE OFFICER: Have you ever been out here before? 541 00:26:52,594 --> 00:26:53,810 No. 542 00:26:53,914 --> 00:26:55,097 I never, I've never been out here before. 543 00:26:55,201 --> 00:26:56,625 POLICE OFFICER: Only tonight? Right now? 544 00:26:56,730 --> 00:26:58,084 Yes. POLICE OFFICER: Right now ton-- 545 00:26:58,189 --> 00:27:00,484 The body cam footage is quite powerful. 546 00:27:00,586 --> 00:27:04,757 It shows her panting, and nervous, 547 00:27:04,861 --> 00:27:08,057 and every emotion that she has. 548 00:27:08,162 --> 00:27:12,540 If you see the video of her in the back of the ambulance, 549 00:27:12,644 --> 00:27:16,849 in the back of the police car, you know, she was-- 550 00:27:16,954 --> 00:27:19,803 she thought she was really good at acting. 551 00:27:19,907 --> 00:27:23,973 And she would turn those emotions off and on at will. 552 00:27:24,077 --> 00:27:26,822 There was, there was, there was a loud shot. 553 00:27:29,636 --> 00:27:31,825 And the Jeep started rolling, and I didn't see anything, 554 00:27:31,930 --> 00:27:33,285 and I thought I saw a shadow. 555 00:27:33,389 --> 00:27:34,328 I ran. 556 00:27:34,432 --> 00:27:36,065 I didn't know what else to do. 557 00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:40,375 I think Chacey was emulating what she believed a grieving 558 00:27:40,478 --> 00:27:41,729 wife would look like. 559 00:27:41,834 --> 00:27:46,455 And she basically, in a very superficial way, 560 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:50,208 presented what she thought other people should expect of her. 561 00:27:50,313 --> 00:27:52,119 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: As Chacey continues her act, 562 00:27:52,224 --> 00:27:54,829 the officers on scene start trying to piece 563 00:27:54,934 --> 00:27:57,262 together exactly what happened. 564 00:27:57,367 --> 00:28:00,215 And she tells this, this bizarre story. 565 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,933 She claims that she-- her truck got stuck in the mud. 566 00:28:04,037 --> 00:28:06,400 And that her husband came out to rescue her. 567 00:28:06,504 --> 00:28:09,354 And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, 568 00:28:09,459 --> 00:28:12,551 this guy comes out with a gun and shoots him. 569 00:28:12,656 --> 00:28:13,559 It isn't adding up. 570 00:28:13,663 --> 00:28:15,193 It doesn't make any sense. 571 00:28:15,297 --> 00:28:17,834 Of course it's a lot easier to manipulate a man you're having 572 00:28:17,937 --> 00:28:20,370 sex with than law enforcement. 573 00:28:20,473 --> 00:28:23,601 This type of behavior is often seen with individuals who we 574 00:28:23,706 --> 00:28:25,304 sometimes label as psychopaths. 575 00:28:25,409 --> 00:28:27,806 That they have this shallow emotion 576 00:28:27,910 --> 00:28:31,245 that they display to others, but it's only used as a way 577 00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:35,277 to get to their goal. 578 00:28:35,382 --> 00:28:38,299 It's interesting when people manufacture stories, 579 00:28:38,404 --> 00:28:40,662 they don't know how to fake their emotions 580 00:28:40,766 --> 00:28:43,651 at the right time. 581 00:28:43,755 --> 00:28:46,848 If they're supposed to be outraged, 582 00:28:46,952 --> 00:28:49,315 it has to happen during a certain point 583 00:28:49,419 --> 00:28:51,225 in the conversation. 584 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:52,721 They don't feel these feelings. 585 00:28:52,825 --> 00:28:54,354 It's not genuine. 586 00:28:54,458 --> 00:28:58,002 But they, kind of, know how to pretend to look like you have 587 00:28:58,107 --> 00:29:00,712 the feelings of a person who might actually 588 00:29:00,816 --> 00:29:02,729 care about her loved ones. 589 00:29:02,833 --> 00:29:06,028 And, she basically did it to the best of her ability, 590 00:29:06,134 --> 00:29:07,940 but it was way over the top. 591 00:29:08,044 --> 00:29:09,644 And if they're supposed to be sad, 592 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:12,250 there's a certain thing that would trigger 593 00:29:12,354 --> 00:29:14,264 an uncontrollable response. 594 00:29:14,368 --> 00:29:15,898 All these things have to line up. 595 00:29:16,002 --> 00:29:19,998 You almost have to listen to the story and match those things up 596 00:29:20,103 --> 00:29:23,924 to find out if they're actually on point. 597 00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:26,531 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Even knowing that Chacey's insane 598 00:29:26,636 --> 00:29:30,250 story about Bob's murder makes no sense, 599 00:29:30,354 --> 00:29:32,613 police still need evidence before they're 600 00:29:32,717 --> 00:29:36,469 able to charge her, and they're about to get it. 601 00:29:36,573 --> 00:29:39,910 I got a phone call from my Battalion Chief 602 00:29:40,014 --> 00:29:45,433 and he just said, hey, you know, I just needed to let 603 00:29:45,538 --> 00:29:48,561 you know man, that Bob's dead. 604 00:29:48,665 --> 00:29:56,623 And my first reaction in my head was she killed him, didn't she? 605 00:30:09,202 --> 00:30:10,592 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Bob Poynter 606 00:30:10,697 --> 00:30:13,164 was a well-respected firefighter and family 607 00:30:13,268 --> 00:30:18,236 man in his small community just outside of Dallas, Texas. 608 00:30:18,341 --> 00:30:21,642 So when word got out that he'd been murdered, 609 00:30:21,746 --> 00:30:25,222 the loss seemed to be felt by everyone. 610 00:30:25,325 --> 00:30:28,974 His funeral on September 15, 2016, 611 00:30:29,078 --> 00:30:33,908 was very emotional, and very beautiful. 612 00:30:34,013 --> 00:30:37,349 It was attended by his fellow firefighters 613 00:30:37,453 --> 00:30:41,136 from the University Park Fire Department. 614 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,820 As well as firefighters, and police officers, 615 00:30:44,924 --> 00:30:46,593 from all over the state of Texas. 616 00:30:49,754 --> 00:30:51,317 I don't even know how to describe it. 617 00:30:51,422 --> 00:30:55,730 It was-- I'd never been to a firefighter funeral. 618 00:30:55,835 --> 00:31:01,082 Just, you know all the bagpipes, and the other firemen, 619 00:31:01,186 --> 00:31:04,556 and police officers, you know from the surrounding 620 00:31:04,661 --> 00:31:06,816 communities coming. 621 00:31:06,919 --> 00:31:15,676 And just seeing his family, his mom, who is one of the sweetest 622 00:31:15,781 --> 00:31:17,066 ladies ever. 623 00:31:17,171 --> 00:31:23,425 And watching the distress on her face, and his daughters. 624 00:31:30,514 --> 00:31:38,888 It was the worst day in my time there, 20 years, so. 625 00:31:43,857 --> 00:31:50,460 I was his Lieutenant for several years and the first fire 626 00:31:50,564 --> 00:31:52,927 we ever fought together he grabbed me by the shoulders 627 00:31:53,031 --> 00:31:55,533 like, hey we got this bro. 628 00:31:55,637 --> 00:31:56,923 And that was his thing. 629 00:31:57,027 --> 00:31:58,417 He said that all the time. 630 00:31:58,522 --> 00:32:00,606 And so if you go to our fire station, 631 00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:03,456 right now there's a flag hanging on the wall, 632 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,313 and below it is that, we got this bro. 633 00:32:07,417 --> 00:32:10,023 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: After the dust settled on Bob's funeral, 634 00:32:10,127 --> 00:32:12,525 it wasn't hard to figure out who the number 635 00:32:12,629 --> 00:32:15,097 one suspect was in his murder. 636 00:32:15,202 --> 00:32:17,876 She was the beneficiary of his life insurance policy, 637 00:32:17,981 --> 00:32:20,552 which was worth over $600,000. 638 00:32:20,656 --> 00:32:23,262 She would have got a pension, on top of that, 639 00:32:23,366 --> 00:32:25,209 a survivor benefit pension. 640 00:32:25,312 --> 00:32:28,197 All the assets, I mean, it was worth probably, 641 00:32:28,301 --> 00:32:32,472 close to $1 million in total assets that she would have got. 642 00:32:32,575 --> 00:32:34,138 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Not only that, but Chacey 643 00:32:34,243 --> 00:32:37,405 also knew she'd probably lose custody of her daughter 644 00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:39,456 if she and Bob got a divorce. 645 00:32:39,561 --> 00:32:42,374 She knew that she was fixing to lose everything. 646 00:32:42,478 --> 00:32:51,131 She knew he had all the cards and so she wanted 647 00:32:51,235 --> 00:32:52,626 that life insurance money. 648 00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:57,143 She wanted that money and she wanted the baby girl. 649 00:32:57,247 --> 00:32:59,854 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: The crazy story that Chacey told police 650 00:32:59,957 --> 00:33:03,918 the night of Bob's murder, that a mysterious killer stalking 651 00:33:04,023 --> 00:33:09,270 Country Road 2595 had shot Bob in the face with a shotgun, 652 00:33:09,374 --> 00:33:11,737 wasn't helping her case either. 653 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,752 It isn't adding up to cops. 654 00:33:13,857 --> 00:33:17,157 So they take Chacey in for questioning. 655 00:33:17,262 --> 00:33:19,382 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Under the harsh interrogation room 656 00:33:19,486 --> 00:33:23,273 lights, Chacey's bizarre account of Bob's murder 657 00:33:23,378 --> 00:33:25,010 starts falling apart. 658 00:33:25,115 --> 00:33:27,236 She was taken to the police station about 2:00 659 00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:28,555 in the morning. 660 00:33:28,659 --> 00:33:31,543 When she got there, her story changed pretty quickly. 661 00:33:31,648 --> 00:33:36,443 Now she finally admits she knows who the shooter was. 662 00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:39,675 It was Michael Garza, it was her boyfriend 663 00:33:39,779 --> 00:33:43,879 Then she admitted to her affair with Michael Garza. 664 00:33:43,983 --> 00:33:46,833 Admitted that they had had sex with day of the murder. 665 00:33:46,938 --> 00:33:49,265 And said, I don't know, maybe he did this. 666 00:33:49,369 --> 00:33:50,968 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Even after outing Garza 667 00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:53,782 as Bob's murderer, Chacey insists 668 00:33:53,887 --> 00:33:56,250 she never meant for Bob to die. 669 00:33:56,354 --> 00:33:59,134 But the more Chacey talks, the more it seems, 670 00:33:59,238 --> 00:34:01,254 like that isn't actually true. 671 00:34:01,358 --> 00:34:05,387 But then she admitted to a plan of what they were going 672 00:34:05,492 --> 00:34:07,544 to do after the fact, which was going to be to burn 673 00:34:07,648 --> 00:34:10,774 the truck that he was in. 674 00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:15,222 Michael Garza was going to have to leave the state for a while, 675 00:34:15,326 --> 00:34:16,613 lay low. 676 00:34:16,717 --> 00:34:21,582 So she changed it multiple times throughout the interview. 677 00:34:21,686 --> 00:34:23,666 She was trying to do what she always did, 678 00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:25,369 which is, save her own skin. 679 00:34:25,473 --> 00:34:28,148 It's not a surprise to me that she would say and do anything 680 00:34:28,253 --> 00:34:32,354 to try to keep herself from going to prison 681 00:34:32,459 --> 00:34:34,613 for the rest of her life. 682 00:34:34,717 --> 00:34:36,072 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: At this point, 683 00:34:36,176 --> 00:34:39,443 the investigators are pretty much on the same page. 684 00:34:39,547 --> 00:34:42,326 But when you look at the text messages 685 00:34:42,431 --> 00:34:47,191 it's pretty clear that she was the one who initiated this. 686 00:34:47,296 --> 00:34:48,894 That she wanted it to happen. 687 00:34:48,999 --> 00:34:51,152 And she wanted it to happen quick. 688 00:34:51,257 --> 00:34:53,132 The very next morning she was arrested. 689 00:34:53,237 --> 00:34:57,165 Officers, obviously, didn't believe her story. 690 00:34:57,269 --> 00:34:58,519 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Meanwhile, 691 00:34:58,624 --> 00:35:00,812 as Chacey is being held at the police station, 692 00:35:00,917 --> 00:35:03,975 Michael Garza is still on the loose. 693 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:08,180 Garza was a truck driver and he immediately went on the run. 694 00:35:08,284 --> 00:35:12,488 But after he found out that SWAT team had raided his home, 695 00:35:12,592 --> 00:35:13,808 he turned himself in. 696 00:35:13,913 --> 00:35:17,977 So police still need some hard evidence to connect 697 00:35:18,082 --> 00:35:20,133 Michael Garza to the murder. 698 00:35:20,237 --> 00:35:22,982 And then five weeks later, they get it. 699 00:35:23,086 --> 00:35:28,543 A farmer finds a shotgun out in his field. 700 00:35:28,647 --> 00:35:31,217 We had his Facebook photo-- which he quickly took down, 701 00:35:31,322 --> 00:35:34,657 but we got it before we did, of him holding that shotgun. 702 00:35:34,762 --> 00:35:38,549 So for Michael Garza's case it was a big piece of evidence. 703 00:35:38,653 --> 00:35:40,322 We also found shotgun shells that 704 00:35:40,426 --> 00:35:43,936 were fired by that shotgun on Michael Garza's front porch, 705 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,256 in the flowerbed around it. 706 00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:47,446 So for him, it was a big piece of evidence. 707 00:35:47,550 --> 00:35:49,009 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Now that he's 708 00:35:49,113 --> 00:35:52,172 seemingly been caught red handed, Garza turns on Chacey. 709 00:35:52,276 --> 00:35:55,228 Claiming it was actually her who killed Bob. 710 00:35:55,332 --> 00:35:57,939 Whenever you have these types of cases where two people 711 00:35:58,043 --> 00:36:01,066 worked together to commit a murder, 712 00:36:01,171 --> 00:36:02,978 they're going to point the finger at each other. 713 00:36:03,082 --> 00:36:04,542 It's all that other person's fault. 714 00:36:04,646 --> 00:36:08,015 And he actually tried to put the blame on Chacey, 715 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,511 as she was doing to him. 716 00:36:09,615 --> 00:36:12,741 So these two lovers are pointing fingers at one another, 717 00:36:12,846 --> 00:36:14,480 trying to get themselves off the hook. 718 00:36:14,585 --> 00:36:16,044 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: The investigation 719 00:36:16,148 --> 00:36:19,554 into Bob Poynter's murder not only exposed Chacey's plot 720 00:36:19,658 --> 00:36:21,986 to cash in on his life insurance, 721 00:36:22,091 --> 00:36:26,155 it is also revealed just how deep her cheating went. 722 00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:29,978 The very night that Chacey was having her husband, 723 00:36:30,081 --> 00:36:35,502 Bob, killed, she was actually texting with another lover. 724 00:36:35,606 --> 00:36:39,047 And planning to hook up with him later that night. 725 00:36:39,151 --> 00:36:44,190 This was just a classic tale of, you know, sex, lies, and greed. 726 00:36:44,294 --> 00:36:47,803 When she found out that he was going to get a divorce, 727 00:36:47,907 --> 00:36:49,924 her answer if she had killed him, 728 00:36:50,028 --> 00:36:52,460 she would have had all that money, you know, 729 00:36:52,563 --> 00:36:56,491 close to $1 million in total assets. 730 00:36:56,596 --> 00:36:58,402 So she would have been able to maintain the lifestyle 731 00:36:58,506 --> 00:36:59,757 that she liked. 732 00:36:59,862 --> 00:37:02,329 And she would have got rid of Robert Poynter. 733 00:37:02,433 --> 00:37:05,559 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Chacey was charged with capital murder 734 00:37:05,665 --> 00:37:08,931 and went to trial in April 2017. 735 00:37:09,035 --> 00:37:14,039 We felt that the case was very strong against Chacey Poynter. 736 00:37:14,143 --> 00:37:16,262 We had her at the scene of the crime. 737 00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:21,024 We had her text messages where they're talking about getting 738 00:37:21,128 --> 00:37:22,449 rid of Robert Poynter. 739 00:37:22,552 --> 00:37:25,331 And then we had her statement to law enforcement. 740 00:37:25,436 --> 00:37:27,903 So I felt fairly good about that case. 741 00:37:28,007 --> 00:37:29,607 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: After being found guilty 742 00:37:29,711 --> 00:37:32,768 of Bob Poynter's murder, Chacey was sentenced 743 00:37:32,873 --> 00:37:36,382 to life, without the possibility of parole, 744 00:37:36,487 --> 00:37:39,232 for at least 30 years. 745 00:37:39,337 --> 00:37:41,838 I believe she was the most culpable person here. 746 00:37:41,942 --> 00:37:44,791 Michael Garza was the person she found to do this, 747 00:37:44,897 --> 00:37:48,266 but she was the driving force behind this murder. 748 00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:51,255 I would have been completely happy with the death penalty 749 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,540 for both of them. 750 00:37:52,644 --> 00:37:55,111 They didn't give him that option of life. 751 00:37:55,215 --> 00:37:59,873 So in my head was, you know it would have been fine 752 00:37:59,977 --> 00:38:02,374 with me if they got that too. 753 00:38:02,478 --> 00:38:04,390 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: The money from Bob's life insurance 754 00:38:04,494 --> 00:38:07,309 ended up going to his three daughters. 755 00:38:07,413 --> 00:38:11,479 When you talk to her family members, 756 00:38:11,583 --> 00:38:13,980 they didn't seem surprised that she did this. 757 00:38:14,086 --> 00:38:15,544 I think that says something. 758 00:38:15,648 --> 00:38:18,081 They knew from a young age that she was an awful person. 759 00:38:18,185 --> 00:38:20,791 She might be in that sociopath category, 760 00:38:20,895 --> 00:38:23,328 just couldn't feel anything for anybody but herself. 761 00:38:23,432 --> 00:38:26,142 And she was the biggest liar that I have ever seen 762 00:38:26,246 --> 00:38:28,922 at any 11 years of doing this. 763 00:38:29,026 --> 00:38:33,544 And she was pretty good at it for a while. 764 00:38:33,648 --> 00:38:34,761 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: Today, Bob 765 00:38:34,865 --> 00:38:37,505 Poynter remains an All-American hero, 766 00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:39,242 loved by all who knew him. 767 00:38:39,347 --> 00:38:43,898 He was a class act, a true brother in the fire service, 768 00:38:44,003 --> 00:38:48,381 a great dad, and he's just a good man overall. 769 00:38:48,486 --> 00:38:50,884 And a good friend and I miss him every day. 770 00:38:54,949 --> 00:38:57,417 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: When Bob Poynter made Chacey Tyler 771 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,717 Morman his wife, he never could have predicted 772 00:39:00,821 --> 00:39:04,227 the sweet and sassy blonde he fell in love with, 773 00:39:04,331 --> 00:39:06,694 would become a serial cheater. 774 00:39:06,798 --> 00:39:10,063 And she would eventually have him killed. 775 00:39:10,168 --> 00:39:13,713 Yet another example, that the person you meet and marry, 776 00:39:13,817 --> 00:39:17,500 may one day become your murderer. 777 00:39:17,605 --> 00:39:20,072 I am convinced that if Chacey Poynter had not 778 00:39:20,176 --> 00:39:22,053 been caught, that she probably would 779 00:39:22,157 --> 00:39:23,373 have gone on to do this again. 780 00:39:23,478 --> 00:39:25,389 We'd be talking about a serial killer. 781 00:39:25,493 --> 00:39:27,057 MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: I'm Michelle Trachtenberg, 782 00:39:27,162 --> 00:39:31,332 and I'll see you next time on Meet Marry Murder. 783 00:39:31,436 --> 00:39:35,048 [drum music playing]