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[phone ringing]
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You gonna get that?
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They're selling magazines.
Whole block's getting calls.
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- [slams phone, ringing stops]
- [Marlin clears throat]
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Did you get my suit?
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They said it's ready.
I'll pick it up on the way home.
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Thanks.
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[door closes]
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[sighs]
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[heart monitor beeps]
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[blood pressure cuff deflates]
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[Velcro rips]
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[staff member speaking indistinctly on PA]
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That guy, Stan, called again.
I told him you were with a patient.
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[phone ringing]
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[scoffs]
You got to admire his persistence.
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Yeah, I don't know, hon.
It's-- It's tight.
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- Does it look tight to you?
- Mmm.
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You're not looking.
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They said they let it out
as much as they could.
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[phone ringing]
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Ugh.
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[scoffs]
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Those fucking magazines.
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[sniffs]
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You screwing someone
behind my back, Candy?
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[scoffs]
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Hello? [inhales sharply]
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Hello?
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[clears throat] Listen,
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I don't want you answering this phone
until after the trial is over.
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You got me?
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Okay.
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[sniffs]
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[door closes]
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[sobbing]
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["Thank You for Sending Me an Angel"
playing]
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[officer 1]
Sullivan, let's go. I don't have all day.
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[reporters shouting indistinctly]
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[people chattering]
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I told her to get you a clip-on.
You wanna get those first?
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Your Honor,
can I just have a moment with my client?
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Come here.
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It's fine.
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It's not.
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Okay. Look.
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Relax, because there's not a person
in this courtroom whose opinion counts.
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Not yet, anyway.
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Let's flip it. Easier in the mirror.
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There.
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[inhales sharply]
Now you look like an upstanding citizen.
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- We're all set, Your Honor.
- Bring in the jury.
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[bailiff] All rise.
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Good morning.
My name is Patricia Richards.
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I'm a Manhattan
assistant district attorney
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representing the State of New York.
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And as Judge Posner already told you,
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the burden of proof
in this courtroom is on me.
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I welcome it.
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I welcome it because the proof
in this case is indisputable.
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Undeniable.
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There is video. There are witnesses.
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The only thing there isn't, is doubt.
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On May 18th of this year,
the defendant, Daniel Sullivan,
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aimed a .38-caliber pistol into a crowd
and fired six times.
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Three people were wounded.
The rest were lucky.
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Make no mistake,
the only reason this isn't a murder trial
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is because Daniel Sullivan
is a lousy shot.
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He belongs behind bars.
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But with evidence so provable,
so irrefutable,
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one wonders, what will the defense do?
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They cannot deny the facts,
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so they will divert you from them
by making unfounded and unproven claims
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about a condition they call
multiple personality disorder.
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Let me be clear,
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there is no such thing
as multiple personality disorder.
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It is a made-up condition
from a Sally Field movie, no less.
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They might as well claim
the defendant is a flying nun.
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[people chuckling]
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The defense blames Mr. Sullivan's actions
on what they call an alter.
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Now, I can admit, I get the appeal.
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Don't we all wish we could
blame our mistakes on someone else?
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Run a red light? Blame an alter.
Bounce a check? Blame an alter.
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Cheat on a spouse?
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- Well, let's see how that one flies.
- [people chuckling]
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[Patricia]
But can you imagine our judicial system
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if every time someone committed a crime,
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they could simply say, "It wasn't me."
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That's what's at stake here.
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These arguments from the defense,
they're more than desperate.
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They're dangerous.
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Because they undermine a bedrock principle
of both our legal system and our society:
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personal responsibility.
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We are responsible for our actions.
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The defendant is guilty,
and that guilt demands punishment.
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Otherwise, there can be no justice.
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[sighs]
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[Patricia] Thank you.
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Mr. Camisa, for the defense.
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[smacks lips]
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[sighs]
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[inhales sharply]
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Indisputable. Undeniable. Irrefutable.
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You know, makes a guy wonder,
"Why am I even here?"
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[people chuckling]
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[Stan] That was some opening
from the prosecution.
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Bedrock principles.
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Well, here's a bedrock principle for you.
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He's innocent.
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He has the presumption of innocence.
It is his right.
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Now, this bears repeating
because of everything that you just heard.
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So, let me begin by saying it clearly
and as a simple statement of fact.
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Danny Sullivan didn't shoot anyone.
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He was there. He admits as much.
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But he didn't pull the trigger.
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Danny's a good kid, but he's a sick kid.
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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
no one is making up a condition.
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Now, I g-- [chuckles] I get how it sounds.
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Multiple personality disorder.
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You know, at first, I had a hard time
wrapping my head around it myself.
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But instead of making flying nun jokes,
which is easy,
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I kept an open mind, which is hard.
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And that's what I'm asking of you.
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To keep an open mind.
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Listen to the experts.
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Listen to the witnesses,
because if you do,
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you'll arrive at the same indisputable,
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undeniable, irrefutable conclusion
that I did,
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which is that Danny had no control
over his illness or his alters.
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Yeah, he's got alters.
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He's got alters because he was hurt
in unimaginable ways that broke him.
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It broke his mind into pieces.
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And no, they are not some
get-out-of-jail-free card.
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They are real, and they are not Danny.
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To send Danny to prison for a crime
that one of his alters committed
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would be the same as you going to jail
for a crime that I committed.
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Now, Danny's illness is rare,
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and it is the result of being exposed
to sexual abuse as a child.
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Frankly, he's lucky to have survived.
This illness is how he survived.
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I get it. It's weird. It's hard.
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But please, keep an open mind.
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Now, the prosecution was right
about one thing.
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This trial is about responsibility,
but it's not personal responsibility,
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it's societal responsibility.
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I mean,
you wanna talk about bedrock principles?
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How about how we just
take care of each other?
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How about how we take care
of the most hurt
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and the most vulnerable among us?
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Everybody has failed this kid.
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His parents, his teachers, his neighbors,
his friends, his community.
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All of us have failed him.
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So now it is on us to make it right.
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Now, I'm not asking you to set Danny free.
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I am only asking that you spare him prison
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and instead send him to a hospital
to get help.
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The help that he needs.
That is our responsibility.
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Thank you.
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[Posner] We'll take a 15-minute recess
and then proceed to the State's witnesses.
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Officer, escort the jury out please.
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[gavel bangs]
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[Rya]
You were actually pretty good in there.
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[Stan] Yeah? Pretty good doesn't matter.
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Goddamn it!
You know, Candy's not returning my calls,
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and she ignored her subpoena, by the way,
which is a crime.
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She's scared. She's guilty.
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There's so much shame,
she might not even admit it to herself.
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In all fairness,
do you think I give a shit how she feels?
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This case turns on the diagnosis,
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and the diagnosis depends
on showing the jury that Danny was abused.
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[sighs]
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I just said it in there.
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If we don't get someone to testify to this
in open court, we are done.
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And I'm handcuffed, 'cause I can't
put my client on the stand
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'cause of that bullshit
he pulled in the hearing.
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- That was Jack. That wasn't Danny.
- Whoever it was,
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he's going to deny the abuse
and admit to the crime...
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- [sighs]
- ...which would be bad.
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I am well aware.
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[sighs] You?
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You know I can't testify to his abuse.
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Technically, Danny never said
that he was abused. He never told me that.
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- Only Adam?
- Only Adam.
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I-- [sighs] It's fucking useless.
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What are we gonna do?
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You gotta convince her.
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But that's not up to me, Stan.
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Doesn't a mother have to love her kid,
for Christ's sake?
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No.
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But in this case,
that's what we have going for us.
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What?
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That she does love him.
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[Patricia] The State calls Marlin Reid.
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[Marlin sniffs, clears throat]
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[Patricia] How would you describe
your relationship with your stepson?
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[Marlin]
Um, strained, it pains me to admit.
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L-Look, I'm not perfect.
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And, uh,
maybe sometimes I've been too hard on him.
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Maybe other times, not hard enough.
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Uh, the kids I see up at Osterville,
most never had a father, not a real one.
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And, um, I wanted to be that for Danny.
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[clicks tongue]
Tell me about Osterville. Tough job?
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Rewarding job. [chuckles]
These kids have had every disadvantage.
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You wouldn't believe, uh, what they've
survived in their homes, on the streets.
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Sure, they've made mistakes.
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Uh, but the thing I love about my job
is they're still kids,
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and it's not too late
for them to find their way back.
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[smacks lips]
You feel that way about Danny?
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Oh, I'll never give up on Danny,
but he's not a kid anymore.
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Given your relationship with him,
you have any idea why he did what he did?
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[sighs]
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I honestly don't.
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Truth is, with Danny, there is no "why."
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When he was picking fights at school,
or stealing from me,
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or dealing drugs or using, the-the "why"--
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[sighs] Why is just Danny.
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[Patricia]
Just one more question, Mr. Reid.
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At any point after you were shot,
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did you report your stepson
to the authorities?
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- No.
- [Patricia] Why not?
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Because I wanted to protect him.
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Um, because in spite of everything...
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I love him like my own son.
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No further questions.
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[newscaster] A dramatic first day in court
as nine different witnesses
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identified Sullivan
as the Rockefeller Center shooter,
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including his own stepfather,
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Juvenile Correctional Counselor
Marlin Reid.
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Were you the intended target?
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[Marlin] I don't know.
But the toughest thing you learn in--
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[door opens, closes]
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[sighs, clicks tongue] Smells good.
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[inhales deeply] Needs another 20 minutes.
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Ah.
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H-How did he seem?
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Uh. [stammers] Thin.
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I don't know.
It's not like we talked or anything.
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Um, how'd I look?
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[Marlin clears throat]
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- You're kidding, right?
- What?
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[sighs]
I'm just trying to do the right thing.
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The kid shot at me, Candy.
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[scoffs] Jesus.
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[inhales deeply] Taking a shower.
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[salesperson chattering on TV]
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[phone ringing]
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[salesperson continues indistinctly]
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Stop calling here. I'm not testifying.
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[Danny] Mom?
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[softly] Danny.
250
00:19:56,697 --> 00:19:58,323
[Marlin snoring]
251
00:20:02,452 --> 00:20:03,996
I-I meant to come see you.
252
00:20:05,455 --> 00:20:06,456
It's okay.
253
00:20:11,587 --> 00:20:12,713
I'm sorry. [sniffles]
254
00:20:12,713 --> 00:20:14,214
Baby, this is not your fault.
255
00:20:19,469 --> 00:20:20,470
I'm sorry. [sniffs]
256
00:20:21,513 --> 00:20:22,973
[dial tone]
257
00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:47,789
[witness 1]
It isn't even a real diagnosis.
258
00:20:47,789 --> 00:20:51,376
It's just a fringe theory
amplified by a TV movie.
259
00:20:51,376 --> 00:20:53,045
Then what do you make of Danny?
260
00:20:53,045 --> 00:20:55,714
Uh, well, I'll tell you the same thing
that I told the jury.
261
00:20:55,714 --> 00:20:58,550
That I believe that, uh,
Mr. Sullivan is a malingerer.
262
00:20:58,550 --> 00:21:01,303
Acting in bad faith
to avoid criminal consequences.
263
00:21:01,303 --> 00:21:04,097
[reporter 1]
In layman's terms? For the folks at home.
264
00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:06,975
[witness 1] He's faking it
to keep himself out of jail.
265
00:21:09,478 --> 00:21:11,230
[Angelo]
I tried to get him to be reasonable.
266
00:21:11,230 --> 00:21:12,648
[Patricia] How'd that go?
267
00:21:12,648 --> 00:21:14,274
[Angelo] Not what you would call ideal.
268
00:21:14,274 --> 00:21:17,903
He blindsided me, broke my nose
and stole it anyway.
269
00:21:17,903 --> 00:21:20,030
[Patricia]
Did you attempt to retrieve your gun?
270
00:21:20,030 --> 00:21:23,158
[Angelo] Yeah, I did.
I went to his house. I was pissed.
271
00:21:23,659 --> 00:21:26,745
But we had history.
I figured we could work something out.
272
00:21:28,539 --> 00:21:32,084
Got as far as a hello though
before he attacked me with a baseball bat.
273
00:21:32,084 --> 00:21:33,627
Then he shot at me.
274
00:21:33,627 --> 00:21:35,712
[sighs, smacks lips]
275
00:21:36,588 --> 00:21:39,508
- No further questions, Your Honor.
- Mr. Camisa.
276
00:21:39,508 --> 00:21:45,180
Yeah, just one question. Mr. Ruiz,
you've known Danny for years.
277
00:21:46,682 --> 00:21:48,934
In all that time,
has he ever seemed normal?
278
00:21:48,934 --> 00:21:51,478
Normal? [chuckling]
279
00:21:51,478 --> 00:21:54,523
That boy's nuts.
Craziest son of a bitch I know.
280
00:21:54,523 --> 00:21:57,609
- [people chuckling, chattering]
- [Stan] No further questions.
281
00:22:00,571 --> 00:22:01,738
[Annabelle] I was scared.
282
00:22:02,948 --> 00:22:04,783
I'd never seen Danny like that before.
283
00:22:07,244 --> 00:22:08,453
Then I heard the shot.
284
00:22:08,453 --> 00:22:10,706
What did you think
when you heard that gunshot?
285
00:22:11,456 --> 00:22:12,916
I thought that he killed him.
286
00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:18,255
[Patricia] You believed Danny Sullivan
to be capable of murder?
287
00:22:19,214 --> 00:22:20,424
In that moment, yes.
288
00:22:22,092 --> 00:22:23,760
[Patricia]
No further questions, Your Honor.
289
00:22:33,395 --> 00:22:34,396
Hi, Annabelle.
290
00:22:35,272 --> 00:22:38,650
Um, was Danny ever violent with you?
291
00:22:39,151 --> 00:22:40,152
No.
292
00:22:40,152 --> 00:22:42,946
- [Stan] He ever make you feel unsafe?
- No.
293
00:22:42,946 --> 00:22:44,448
[Stan] Was he mean? Abusive?
294
00:22:44,448 --> 00:22:46,116
No. Never.
295
00:22:46,658 --> 00:22:49,995
Then what was he like,
the Danny you knew? Your friend.
296
00:22:50,746 --> 00:22:51,788
He was sweet.
297
00:22:53,207 --> 00:22:55,626
He was quiet. [stammers] Shy.
298
00:22:56,585 --> 00:22:57,586
Mostly.
299
00:22:58,212 --> 00:23:01,673
- [Stan] Mostly?
- He was, yeah, sometimes not so shy.
300
00:23:04,009 --> 00:23:05,552
He was a little all over the place.
301
00:23:05,552 --> 00:23:08,222
I'd like to refer the witness
to defense exhibit four.
302
00:23:08,222 --> 00:23:09,306
[Posner] Go ahead.
303
00:23:16,438 --> 00:23:17,606
You recognize this drawing?
304
00:23:19,191 --> 00:23:20,317
Yeah, Danny drew it.
305
00:23:21,235 --> 00:23:22,236
[Stan] It's you?
306
00:23:22,945 --> 00:23:24,029
Yep.
307
00:23:24,029 --> 00:23:25,113
It's good.
308
00:23:25,739 --> 00:23:27,741
Yeah, it's good.
309
00:23:27,741 --> 00:23:29,743
Danny really cared about you, didn't he?
310
00:23:33,622 --> 00:23:34,748
I cared about him too.
311
00:23:35,415 --> 00:23:37,084
[Stan] Earlier in your testimony--
312
00:23:37,793 --> 00:23:40,087
now I'm referring
to the night with Mr. Ruiz--
313
00:23:40,087 --> 00:23:43,924
you said,
"I'd never seen Danny like that."
314
00:23:43,924 --> 00:23:48,846
How do you reconcile that night,
that Danny, with the boy that you knew?
315
00:23:48,846 --> 00:23:53,642
The sweet and quiet, never violent,
shy but sometimes not.
316
00:23:53,642 --> 00:23:55,227
The boy who drew this picture.
317
00:24:01,233 --> 00:24:03,360
Doesn't seem like the same person,
does it?
318
00:24:05,070 --> 00:24:06,071
No.
319
00:24:09,032 --> 00:24:10,492
No further questions, Your Honor.
320
00:24:11,702 --> 00:24:14,621
- [Patricia] State requests a redirect.
- [Posner] Proceed.
321
00:24:16,498 --> 00:24:19,042
To the best of your knowledge,
in the time you knew him,
322
00:24:19,042 --> 00:24:21,336
was the encounter with Mr. Ruiz
323
00:24:21,336 --> 00:24:24,715
the only occasion
that Danny Sullivan was ever violent?
324
00:24:24,715 --> 00:24:26,383
Objection, irrelevant.
325
00:24:26,383 --> 00:24:29,678
[Patricia] The question speaks
to the defendant's history of violence.
326
00:24:29,678 --> 00:24:30,762
[Posner] Overruled.
327
00:24:30,762 --> 00:24:34,433
Was the encounter with Mr. Ruiz
the only occasion
328
00:24:35,392 --> 00:24:37,644
that Danny Sullivan was ever violent?
329
00:24:38,687 --> 00:24:39,521
No.
330
00:24:40,731 --> 00:24:43,233
Back in high school,
I had this boyfriend, Bill.
331
00:24:43,817 --> 00:24:44,943
Danny got jealous.
332
00:24:45,444 --> 00:24:48,655
He beat him pretty bad.
He put him in the hospital.
333
00:24:49,531 --> 00:24:50,532
Another kid too.
334
00:24:51,366 --> 00:24:54,161
At the time,
I told myself it was this freak thing.
335
00:24:55,996 --> 00:24:57,122
Maybe Bill deserved it.
336
00:24:58,207 --> 00:24:59,458
Now I'm not so sure.
337
00:25:02,211 --> 00:25:03,420
No further questions.
338
00:25:15,140 --> 00:25:16,141
[sniffs]
339
00:25:19,811 --> 00:25:20,896
[sighs]
340
00:25:38,288 --> 00:25:41,416
They're off to stalk your son
at the, uh, side exit.
341
00:25:41,416 --> 00:25:45,295
Apparently, perp walks sell papers.
Even the same perp walk twice a day.
342
00:25:46,129 --> 00:25:48,006
Do you wanna see him?
I can walk you around.
343
00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:51,301
No, not like that.
344
00:25:53,762 --> 00:25:54,763
I'm glad you came.
345
00:25:57,015 --> 00:25:58,475
There's a shitty bar around the corner.
346
00:25:58,475 --> 00:26:00,978
It's mostly lawyers,
but at this hour it's not that bad.
347
00:26:04,273 --> 00:26:06,275
I don't know what you people want from me.
348
00:26:09,570 --> 00:26:11,780
[Stan] Please tell me
that you convinced her to testify.
349
00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:14,950
[Rya] Uh, she came, didn't she?
That's-- That's progress.
350
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:17,286
- [Stan] Progress is for people with time.
- [Rya sighs]
351
00:26:17,286 --> 00:26:18,871
[Stan] They're painting a picture of a kid
352
00:26:18,871 --> 00:26:20,873
who goes after
his perfectly nice stepfather,
353
00:26:20,873 --> 00:26:23,417
shoots up a bunch of innocent people
in the process,
354
00:26:23,417 --> 00:26:26,253
and now he's pretending that
he hears voices so he can get out of jail.
355
00:26:26,253 --> 00:26:27,921
It's pretty compelling stuff
if you ask me.
356
00:26:27,921 --> 00:26:29,339
[Rya] Whose side are you on, Stan?
357
00:26:30,007 --> 00:26:31,800
- Right now, the losing one.
- [Rya chuckles]
358
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,886
[Stan]
Is it too late to switch? [clears throat]
359
00:26:33,886 --> 00:26:39,391
So she sees it today, her kid on trial,
and she goes back home to him.
360
00:26:39,391 --> 00:26:40,475
Stays with him.
361
00:26:41,143 --> 00:26:42,811
God, how does that even work?
362
00:26:42,811 --> 00:26:45,355
Maybe we're just not built
to survive alone.
363
00:26:45,355 --> 00:26:47,900
I mean, did you know that our brain
has these chemical receptors
364
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,360
that light up
when we make human connections?
365
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,821
- Oh, yeah?
- It literally turns on
366
00:26:52,821 --> 00:26:55,199
- to make us feel like we're safe.
- Mmm.
367
00:26:56,241 --> 00:26:59,995
Only, sometimes other people aren't safe.
368
00:26:59,995 --> 00:27:03,582
Yeah, amen to that. [groans]
369
00:27:03,582 --> 00:27:05,751
I feel like you're gonna
make an ex-wife joke.
370
00:27:05,751 --> 00:27:08,212
[sighs] I was considering it.
371
00:27:08,754 --> 00:27:10,047
Go on anyway.
372
00:27:10,547 --> 00:27:13,509
There's a whole world of ways
that people hurt each other.
373
00:27:13,509 --> 00:27:15,385
Yeah, you don't know the half of it.
374
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,936
Too much pain, in rare cases like Danny's,
the mind shatters.
375
00:27:23,936 --> 00:27:25,604
But most people, they--
376
00:27:25,604 --> 00:27:27,981
they find conventional ways
of avoiding the pain,
377
00:27:27,981 --> 00:27:32,945
like booze and drugs, sex,
that light up those receptors.
378
00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:36,532
- Those things work.
- And also being with the wrong person,
379
00:27:36,532 --> 00:27:39,451
because a-at least
the pain is familiar to them.
380
00:27:41,912 --> 00:27:47,376
If you ask me, I think
that if a relationship can break you,
381
00:27:47,376 --> 00:27:51,380
then sometimes a relationship
can also heal you.
382
00:27:51,964 --> 00:27:53,715
Please tell me
you're not saying love is the answer.
383
00:27:53,715 --> 00:27:56,552
[chuckles] I actually am.
384
00:27:56,552 --> 00:27:57,678
Mmm.
385
00:27:59,513 --> 00:28:02,516
It's like that arrow story
that Jack told Danny.
386
00:28:02,516 --> 00:28:05,978
Fear of pain
is worse than the pain ever was.
387
00:28:07,145 --> 00:28:08,939
Jack? You mean make-believe Jack?
388
00:28:09,565 --> 00:28:10,566
Yeah.
389
00:28:11,775 --> 00:28:12,943
[chuckles]
390
00:28:15,028 --> 00:28:16,446
We've all been hurt.
391
00:28:16,446 --> 00:28:17,739
Some more than others.
392
00:28:20,492 --> 00:28:24,162
And we can have a tendency
to stay in relationships that are bad.
393
00:28:24,162 --> 00:28:28,750
Those receptors are firing, telling us
not to risk losing what we have.
394
00:28:29,418 --> 00:28:32,254
- [gasps, groans]
- [Marlin] Whoa, whoa, whoa. Come here.
395
00:28:32,254 --> 00:28:37,050
Even if it's to find something
better for us, healthier for us.
396
00:28:37,634 --> 00:28:41,555
We stay with the hurt we know
rather than risk being hurt again.
397
00:28:42,639 --> 00:28:44,141
But we have a choice.
398
00:28:45,976 --> 00:28:47,728
The truth is, we always have.
399
00:28:48,312 --> 00:28:50,939
We just have to remember
to try to keep making it.
400
00:28:52,316 --> 00:28:55,194
To remember that other people can hurt us,
401
00:28:56,236 --> 00:28:57,779
but they can also help us.
402
00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:02,451
That to reach out,
to let someone reach back,
403
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:05,120
is a way out of pain.
404
00:29:08,624 --> 00:29:09,958
That doesn't mean it's easy.
405
00:29:12,211 --> 00:29:13,295
{\an8}It's hard.
406
00:29:15,172 --> 00:29:16,173
Terrifying.
407
00:29:19,885 --> 00:29:22,137
We need to be brave like Danny was brave,
408
00:29:23,055 --> 00:29:24,348
and ask for help.
409
00:29:25,974 --> 00:29:27,309
We don't have to be alone.
410
00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:30,812
[prison guard] Lights out.
411
00:29:40,864 --> 00:29:43,283
[Jerome]
We met at Danceteria, this club on 37th.
412
00:29:43,784 --> 00:29:45,702
Tell me about her. What was she like?
413
00:29:46,495 --> 00:29:50,165
[Jerome sighs] Ariana was...
[chuckles] ...something else.
414
00:29:50,999 --> 00:29:53,710
The way she moved. The way she smiled.
415
00:29:54,628 --> 00:29:55,879
Iridescent.
416
00:29:55,879 --> 00:29:57,422
Everyone wanted to be with her.
417
00:29:57,422 --> 00:29:58,966
The boys, the girls.
418
00:29:58,966 --> 00:30:01,218
[chuckles] And she knew it. She worked it.
419
00:30:01,218 --> 00:30:05,305
[Stan] Uh, Mr. Williams,
do you see Ariana in this courtroom?
420
00:30:09,268 --> 00:30:10,435
No.
421
00:30:10,435 --> 00:30:11,520
[Stan] No?
422
00:30:12,229 --> 00:30:16,567
The thing is, he's not her. N-Not anymore.
423
00:30:17,067 --> 00:30:18,151
[Stan] How can you tell?
424
00:30:18,652 --> 00:30:20,112
[Jerome]
Everything about him is different.
425
00:30:20,112 --> 00:30:23,907
Like the way he sits, curled in so small.
426
00:30:23,907 --> 00:30:28,078
And-- And his eyes, which... [chuckles]
...give up everything.
427
00:30:29,121 --> 00:30:32,124
Ariana had a resting poker face.
428
00:30:32,124 --> 00:30:34,251
Girl was a brick wall.
429
00:30:35,043 --> 00:30:37,254
Uh, not to mention, Danny's straight.
430
00:30:38,005 --> 00:30:40,048
[Stan] So you know Danny?
You've met Danny?
431
00:30:40,048 --> 00:30:42,301
I met him at Rikers a few weeks ago.
432
00:30:42,301 --> 00:30:45,596
I saw the story in the paper,
and, uh, I went over there.
433
00:30:45,596 --> 00:30:48,098
I was just-- I was looking to understand,
I guess.
434
00:30:48,098 --> 00:30:50,017
And what'd you find at Rikers?
435
00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:54,771
A stranger.
436
00:31:00,235 --> 00:31:03,238
[Patricia] Mr. Williams, did you have
a sexual relationship with the defendant?
437
00:31:04,198 --> 00:31:05,741
[Jerome] I had a relationship with Ariana.
438
00:31:05,741 --> 00:31:07,659
I didn't ask you
what the defendant called himself.
439
00:31:07,659 --> 00:31:10,579
- I asked if you had a sexual--
- [Stan] Uh, objection. Asked and answered.
440
00:31:10,579 --> 00:31:11,830
[Posner] Overruled.
441
00:31:12,414 --> 00:31:15,626
I could put the question to you
in more graphic terms, if you'd like.
442
00:31:15,626 --> 00:31:16,710
[sighs]
443
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,421
Yes, we did.
444
00:31:19,421 --> 00:31:21,673
- [Patricia] Where?
- Objection, irrelevant.
445
00:31:21,673 --> 00:31:24,384
The question speaks to the true nature
of their relationship.
446
00:31:25,052 --> 00:31:26,345
Overruled.
447
00:31:26,345 --> 00:31:27,513
[Patricia] Where?
448
00:31:28,972 --> 00:31:29,973
The men's room.
449
00:31:30,933 --> 00:31:32,226
The men's room.
450
00:31:33,143 --> 00:31:35,479
Hmm. How romantic.
451
00:31:35,479 --> 00:31:37,439
Couldn't anyone have just walked in?
452
00:31:38,065 --> 00:31:40,317
Were your encounters in full public view?
453
00:31:40,317 --> 00:31:41,777
We used a stall.
454
00:31:41,777 --> 00:31:45,239
[Patricia] Mr. Williams, you never shared
a meal with the defendant.
455
00:31:45,239 --> 00:31:47,449
- Never saw his home, did you?
- [Jerome] No.
456
00:31:47,449 --> 00:31:49,159
- [Patricia] Ever meet his friends?
- No.
457
00:31:49,159 --> 00:31:50,869
- [Patricia] Family?
- No.
458
00:31:50,869 --> 00:31:54,456
Your most intimate moments
were in a bathroom stall.
459
00:31:56,208 --> 00:31:58,544
How well could you possibly have known
this man?
460
00:31:58,544 --> 00:32:00,212
There was no "this man."
461
00:32:00,212 --> 00:32:03,298
There was only Ariana, and I knew her.
462
00:32:03,298 --> 00:32:07,636
[Patricia] These clubs you frequent,
are there ever closeted gay men there?
463
00:32:08,136 --> 00:32:09,972
- Men with something to hide.
- Sure.
464
00:32:09,972 --> 00:32:14,935
So how could you know
that Ariana wasn't just an alias?
465
00:32:14,935 --> 00:32:16,728
A cover. A lie.
466
00:32:29,992 --> 00:32:30,993
It's on me.
467
00:32:30,993 --> 00:32:32,202
[stammers] Mr. Camisa--
468
00:32:32,202 --> 00:32:34,705
Stan. And please, I-I got a tab here.
Tell her, Sam.
469
00:32:35,372 --> 00:32:36,456
He does owe me money.
470
00:32:36,456 --> 00:32:39,084
[chuckles] I come here a lot.
It's nothing. Please. Please.
471
00:32:43,630 --> 00:32:45,007
We're gonna lose, Candy.
472
00:32:45,007 --> 00:32:48,635
Multiple personality disorder
is only ever caused by one thing,
473
00:32:49,428 --> 00:32:51,638
and we can't prove that it ever happened.
474
00:32:51,638 --> 00:32:54,308
And worse, Danny denies it ever happened.
475
00:32:54,308 --> 00:32:56,393
It's like arguing a guy is shell-shocked
476
00:32:56,393 --> 00:32:58,645
and he swears
that he's never even seen a war.
477
00:32:58,645 --> 00:33:00,814
Our entire defense is built around this.
478
00:33:00,814 --> 00:33:02,608
Well, then you've got the wrong defense.
479
00:33:02,608 --> 00:33:04,860
- Candy--
- A-And you should have seen it coming.
480
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:07,196
Well, why do you think
I've been calling you, repeatedly?
481
00:33:07,196 --> 00:33:09,865
Calling me
is not an actual legal strategy.
482
00:33:09,865 --> 00:33:12,201
[stammers]
I also subpoenaed you, which is.
483
00:33:12,701 --> 00:33:13,994
- And you ignored it.
- [sniffs]
484
00:33:14,995 --> 00:33:17,164
I can ask the judge
to find you in contempt, you know.
485
00:33:20,292 --> 00:33:24,254
Look, please take the stand.
486
00:33:24,254 --> 00:33:25,964
Just tell 'em what happened to Danny.
487
00:33:27,382 --> 00:33:31,136
Are you even aware of the accusation
that you're making right now?
488
00:33:31,136 --> 00:33:34,515
- Well, your husband's a sick man, Can--
- Not against my husband, against me.
489
00:33:37,434 --> 00:33:39,645
Find me in fucking contempt.
490
00:33:49,112 --> 00:33:54,910
[Rya] The mind is an extraordinary thing,
capable of extraordinary transformations.
491
00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:58,497
Not just voices, but bodies. Skills.
492
00:33:58,497 --> 00:34:00,707
Playing an instrument, mastering chess,
493
00:34:00,707 --> 00:34:03,210
speaking a foreign language,
lighting up a room.
494
00:34:03,210 --> 00:34:05,504
These aren't things
that people can just fake.
495
00:34:05,504 --> 00:34:08,090
And these are people who come
from every walk of life.
496
00:34:08,090 --> 00:34:10,050
Every race. Every age.
497
00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:11,635
They're people who have nothing to gain
498
00:34:11,635 --> 00:34:14,388
from a diagnosis
that carries social stigma.
499
00:34:14,388 --> 00:34:15,973
MPD is real.
500
00:34:15,973 --> 00:34:21,103
And patients with MPD have suffered
in ways that most of us cannot comprehend.
501
00:34:22,521 --> 00:34:27,317
- They deserve empathy and compassion.
- [Stan] And how have they suffered?
502
00:34:27,317 --> 00:34:30,152
Can't anyone just claim
to have other personalities inside them?
503
00:34:30,152 --> 00:34:31,530
[Rya] The literature is clear.
504
00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:33,657
For the diagnosis to apply,
505
00:34:33,657 --> 00:34:37,661
the patients must have experienced
severe childhood trauma,
506
00:34:38,370 --> 00:34:39,454
usually sexual.
507
00:34:40,038 --> 00:34:42,248
At a point in their lives
when they are the most vulnerable--
508
00:34:42,248 --> 00:34:43,667
the most in need of protection--
509
00:34:43,667 --> 00:34:47,462
they are betrayed,
usually by somebody that they trusted.
510
00:34:47,963 --> 00:34:51,592
A child's mind isn't equipped
to handle this.
511
00:34:51,592 --> 00:34:54,178
It can't manage all the contradictions.
512
00:34:55,344 --> 00:34:59,266
So the psyche fractures
and that's the first alter.
513
00:34:59,766 --> 00:35:00,934
The child goes away.
514
00:35:01,518 --> 00:35:02,978
Somebody new comes in.
515
00:35:02,978 --> 00:35:07,816
Someone better equipped
to navigate a terrifying world.
516
00:35:09,484 --> 00:35:10,944
And that's how it begins.
517
00:35:11,570 --> 00:35:16,200
It's a defense mechanism against horrific,
unfathomable pain.
518
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:19,161
[Stan] Can you tell me about Danny?
519
00:35:21,663 --> 00:35:24,291
I first met Danny at the police station
after his arrest.
520
00:35:24,291 --> 00:35:25,834
Only it wasn't Danny, it was Jonny.
521
00:35:25,834 --> 00:35:27,127
And who's Jonny?
522
00:35:27,127 --> 00:35:30,881
Jonny is one of Danny's alters.
He's a literal escape artist.
523
00:35:31,548 --> 00:35:34,551
So when the shackles came out,
so did Jonny.
524
00:35:36,803 --> 00:35:38,680
[Patricia] So are these descriptions
525
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,685
of Danny's so-called personalities
facts or speculations?
526
00:35:43,685 --> 00:35:45,479
They're my clinical judgments.
527
00:35:45,479 --> 00:35:48,482
Did Danny ever tell you
he thought he had multiple personalities?
528
00:35:48,482 --> 00:35:49,399
No, but it doesn't--
529
00:35:49,399 --> 00:35:52,861
In fact, wasn't it you
who first introduced the idea to him?
530
00:35:52,861 --> 00:35:55,906
Yes, because his symptoms
supported the diagnosis.
531
00:35:55,906 --> 00:35:57,074
So you say.
532
00:35:57,658 --> 00:35:59,451
But then you have a lot riding on this,
don't you?
533
00:36:00,035 --> 00:36:01,036
[Rya] I'm not sure what you mean.
534
00:36:01,036 --> 00:36:03,455
[Patricia] Who pays for your research?
How do you make a living?
535
00:36:04,122 --> 00:36:06,750
Most of my work is funded through grants.
536
00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:08,877
- Grants like the Reiling Grant?
- [Rya] Yes.
537
00:36:08,877 --> 00:36:10,921
- Which expired last year.
- [Rya] Yes.
538
00:36:10,921 --> 00:36:14,508
[Patricia] And is it true the university
just turned down a request from you
539
00:36:14,508 --> 00:36:15,801
for additional funding?
540
00:36:15,801 --> 00:36:19,429
There's only so much to go around,
but I'm going to reapply in the spring.
541
00:36:19,429 --> 00:36:21,640
- You have tenure?
- I'm up for it next year.
542
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,600
[Patricia]
So, with your funding drying up,
543
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,979
your major grant expiring
and with tenure on the line,
544
00:36:26,979 --> 00:36:30,440
would it be fair to say that this is
a make-or-break moment in your career?
545
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,526
- Objection.
- Withdraw the question.
546
00:36:32,526 --> 00:36:36,613
Would it be fair to say
that a high-profile case like this one
547
00:36:36,613 --> 00:36:38,907
could be a real opportunity for you?
548
00:36:39,908 --> 00:36:41,577
Chance for you
to make a name for yourself.
549
00:36:42,536 --> 00:36:45,247
- I don't see my patients as opportunities.
- [Patricia] Don't you?
550
00:36:45,247 --> 00:36:47,916
I mean, why else did you walk
into that police station?
551
00:36:48,417 --> 00:36:51,837
Was it because you were having
a sexual relationship with the detective
552
00:36:51,837 --> 00:36:53,630
- who leaked Danny's case to you?
- [Stan] Objection.
553
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:55,674
- [Posner] Sustained. Take care, Counselor.
- [scoffs]
554
00:36:56,258 --> 00:36:57,426
Withdrawn.
555
00:36:58,302 --> 00:37:01,555
Why did you follow
the defendant to Rikers?
556
00:37:01,555 --> 00:37:06,393
There's a term for lawyers
who solicit business like that.
557
00:37:06,393 --> 00:37:07,936
- Ambulance chasers.
- [Stan] Objection.
558
00:37:07,936 --> 00:37:10,439
- [Posner] Sustained.
- [Patricia] Let me put it another way.
559
00:37:11,023 --> 00:37:15,194
When you walked into that police station,
what were you hoping to find?
560
00:37:15,194 --> 00:37:16,904
I wasn't hoping to find anything.
561
00:37:16,904 --> 00:37:20,449
See, I'm sorry,
but I find that hard to believe.
562
00:37:21,408 --> 00:37:25,579
You get a tip about a kid.
You drop everything.
563
00:37:25,579 --> 00:37:27,664
You run halfway across Manhattan.
564
00:37:27,664 --> 00:37:30,459
- W-What did you take? The bus? The train?
- I took the train.
565
00:37:30,459 --> 00:37:33,003
Y-You mean to tell me
you're not sitting on that train,
566
00:37:33,003 --> 00:37:35,506
hoping that this is the one?
567
00:37:35,506 --> 00:37:37,174
The one who makes you famous.
568
00:37:37,174 --> 00:37:39,343
The one who puts you
on the national stage.
569
00:37:39,343 --> 00:37:40,719
- Absolutely not.
- [Stan] Objection.
570
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,137
What do you know, it worked.
571
00:37:42,137 --> 00:37:44,431
[stammers] Your Honor,
the witness is not on trial.
572
00:37:44,431 --> 00:37:46,934
[Posner] Sustained. Move on, Counselor.
573
00:37:46,934 --> 00:37:49,770
[Patricia]
Okay, Doctor. One last question.
574
00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:51,438
The defense claims-- [sighs]
575
00:37:51,438 --> 00:37:57,903
You claim that the cause of
Danny's so-called multiple personalities
576
00:37:59,112 --> 00:38:00,864
was sexual abuse in childhood.
577
00:38:02,616 --> 00:38:05,160
In all of your sessions
with the defendant,
578
00:38:06,537 --> 00:38:09,081
has he ever told you
he was sexually abused?
579
00:38:13,001 --> 00:38:16,046
[Patricia]
Dr. Goodwin, has anyone ever told you
580
00:38:16,046 --> 00:38:20,926
or had the defendant ever claimed
he was sexually abused?
581
00:38:22,678 --> 00:38:24,721
It's a yes or no question.
582
00:38:24,721 --> 00:38:25,806
[sighs]
583
00:38:28,976 --> 00:38:30,060
Dr. Goodwin?
584
00:38:36,108 --> 00:38:36,942
No.
585
00:38:40,904 --> 00:38:42,197
No further questions, Your Honor.
586
00:38:43,407 --> 00:38:45,284
[reporter 1] Dr. Goodwin, Dr. Goodwin?
587
00:38:45,284 --> 00:38:47,369
[reporters speaking indistinctly]
588
00:38:48,287 --> 00:38:49,997
What do you have to say for your client?
589
00:38:49,997 --> 00:38:52,374
[reporter 2]
Dr. Goodwin, how do you defend yourself?
590
00:39:03,135 --> 00:39:04,136
[sniffles]
591
00:39:22,362 --> 00:39:23,780
So, you were just using him?
592
00:39:26,283 --> 00:39:28,577
Candy,
that could not be further from the truth.
593
00:39:28,577 --> 00:39:30,329
And Camisa? He's out of his depth.
594
00:39:30,329 --> 00:39:32,456
- Stan's a good lawyer.
- He's Legal Aid.
595
00:39:32,456 --> 00:39:33,832
He's working his ass off.
596
00:39:33,832 --> 00:39:35,459
[chuckles] He's falling apart.
597
00:39:35,459 --> 00:39:36,668
Who isn't?
598
00:39:38,128 --> 00:39:40,255
- Why are you here?
- 'Cause I know how this ends.
599
00:39:40,255 --> 00:39:42,007
I know who you'll all blame.
600
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,761
But that's bullshit.
You're the ones who let him down.
601
00:39:45,761 --> 00:39:48,388
[chuckles, sighs]
602
00:39:49,348 --> 00:39:50,432
Candy, I--
603
00:39:51,308 --> 00:39:53,852
I gave your son everything that I have.
604
00:39:55,521 --> 00:39:58,607
My heart is broken.
But my conscience is clear.
605
00:39:58,607 --> 00:39:59,525
So is mine.
606
00:39:59,525 --> 00:40:01,985
If that were true,
you wouldn't have followed me in here.
607
00:40:03,362 --> 00:40:04,571
And you're wrong.
608
00:40:04,571 --> 00:40:07,908
I would never have blamed you. Never.
609
00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:10,661
Bullshit.
610
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:15,999
[sighs]
611
00:40:20,712 --> 00:40:25,050
I had this patient, Anna,
when I was a first-year resident.
612
00:40:27,636 --> 00:40:31,765
And Anna had been raped six times,
by six different men,
613
00:40:31,765 --> 00:40:33,267
over the course of eight years.
614
00:40:33,267 --> 00:40:35,269
And, Candy, she was 19.
615
00:40:35,894 --> 00:40:37,145
How do you explain that?
616
00:40:39,398 --> 00:40:42,693
There's a phenomenon, an awful phenomenon.
617
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:45,779
Victims of abuse survive.
618
00:40:45,779 --> 00:40:50,450
They-- They get away,
only to be abused again by somebody else.
619
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:58,083
And I think, hearing these stories,
"My God, these-- these poor people.
620
00:40:59,084 --> 00:41:01,461
The unluckiest human beings
on the planet."
621
00:41:02,796 --> 00:41:04,798
Only it's not luck.
622
00:41:04,798 --> 00:41:07,509
It is a fucked up twist of nature.
623
00:41:09,636 --> 00:41:14,641
Because as children,
they are forced to relate sexually.
624
00:41:16,393 --> 00:41:18,937
They are trained to be abused.
625
00:41:19,646 --> 00:41:24,109
Predators are very adept
at finding their prey.
626
00:41:24,902 --> 00:41:28,071
They're picking up on cues
that nobody else can see.
627
00:41:28,655 --> 00:41:32,701
These cues can be chemical,
psychological, behavioral, nonverbal.
628
00:41:34,953 --> 00:41:36,997
To the predator, neon signs.
629
00:41:37,497 --> 00:41:40,626
And here's the thing
that I cannot emphasize enough.
630
00:41:43,212 --> 00:41:47,216
None of it is under the victim's control.
631
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:52,888
None of it is the victim's fault.
632
00:41:56,683 --> 00:41:58,852
You and Danny were prey,
633
00:41:59,811 --> 00:42:02,689
and I suspect Marlin isn't
the first predator in your life.
634
00:42:04,274 --> 00:42:05,400
And it's not your fault.
635
00:42:07,653 --> 00:42:09,696
And my heart breaks for you, it does.
636
00:42:11,031 --> 00:42:13,242
Because you did nothing to deserve it.
637
00:42:16,161 --> 00:42:20,040
So, no, I-- I wouldn't blame you.
638
00:42:22,292 --> 00:42:23,293
For anything.
639
00:42:25,838 --> 00:42:30,634
But my hope would be
that if you take the stand,
640
00:42:31,301 --> 00:42:37,057
you might finally be able to
stop blaming yourself.
641
00:42:45,732 --> 00:42:46,733
Marlin.
642
00:42:49,611 --> 00:42:50,612
[sighs]
643
00:42:54,741 --> 00:42:57,327
[sniffles]
Do you understand what you're asking?
644
00:42:59,454 --> 00:43:00,914
Guilt or grief...
645
00:43:03,542 --> 00:43:05,127
which one can you bear?
646
00:43:16,471 --> 00:43:19,474
You make too much bacon.
It's not good for me.
647
00:43:21,226 --> 00:43:23,312
I only make it because you like it.
648
00:43:23,312 --> 00:43:25,689
Yeah, well, I like living too.
So, cut back.
649
00:43:25,689 --> 00:43:28,317
Let's face it... [chews, smacks lips]
...I could lose a few.
650
00:43:29,651 --> 00:43:31,278
We've got to look out for each other.
651
00:43:32,821 --> 00:43:33,822
See ya.
652
00:43:38,577 --> 00:43:39,578
[door closes]
653
00:43:42,998 --> 00:43:43,999
[car engine starts]
654
00:44:45,561 --> 00:44:46,812
[car engine starts]
655
00:45:00,117 --> 00:45:01,118
[grunts]
656
00:45:02,619 --> 00:45:03,620
Hi, honey.
657
00:45:04,246 --> 00:45:08,125
[sighs] Thought I'd come by.
See you up there.
658
00:45:10,752 --> 00:45:14,631
[sighs] I'm not a stupid man, Candy.
I know why you're here.
659
00:45:14,631 --> 00:45:16,133
I know what you're gonna say.
660
00:45:16,133 --> 00:45:18,427
I'm not even
going to tell you not to say it.
661
00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:19,887
You do what you want.
662
00:45:20,596 --> 00:45:24,391
But I wouldn't be doing my duty
as your husband if I didn't tell you
663
00:45:24,391 --> 00:45:26,435
that the words you say--
664
00:45:26,435 --> 00:45:32,441
that this terrible lie will change
the world you live in overnight.
665
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:37,487
[Marlin] I mean, people staring at the A&P
and whispers all over town.
666
00:45:37,487 --> 00:45:39,573
"What kind of mother would allow
such a thing?"
667
00:45:40,282 --> 00:45:42,284
Well, you'll lose your husband, of course.
668
00:45:42,284 --> 00:45:45,579
You'll also lose your job
and your home, eventually.
669
00:45:46,580 --> 00:45:49,791
Worst of all,
you will lose the illusion of who you are.
670
00:45:50,626 --> 00:45:55,214
And without it, all anyone will see
is what you allowed and what you admitted.
671
00:45:57,341 --> 00:45:58,759
That's all Danny will see.
672
00:46:00,344 --> 00:46:01,637
So, you'll lose him too.
673
00:46:03,013 --> 00:46:04,681
- [elevator dings]
- [clears throat]
674
00:46:09,061 --> 00:46:10,854
[Stan] What was Danny like as a kid?
675
00:46:10,854 --> 00:46:14,399
[Candy] He was a good boy. Sweet boy.
676
00:46:15,192 --> 00:46:17,819
- But he was always different.
- Different how?
677
00:46:19,404 --> 00:46:25,410
Too sensitive, I guess. Tender.
678
00:46:27,496 --> 00:46:28,497
[sighs]
679
00:46:29,706 --> 00:46:34,962
The world's a tough place,
and we were all each other had.
680
00:46:37,631 --> 00:46:41,426
Ms. Reid, I'm gonna have to ask you
some difficult questions now.
681
00:46:41,426 --> 00:46:43,512
You can take your time
answering them, okay?
682
00:46:49,726 --> 00:46:53,772
Do you believe your son, Danny,
was ever sexually abused?
683
00:46:53,772 --> 00:46:54,857
[Patricia] Objection.
684
00:46:54,857 --> 00:46:59,945
Unless she personally witnessed abuse,
any answer will be pure speculation.
685
00:46:59,945 --> 00:47:03,866
Your Honor, most abuse happens
in secret without witnesses.
686
00:47:03,866 --> 00:47:06,910
If the mother of a child isn't considered
an expert witness
687
00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:09,705
on what happened to her son
in her own home, who is?
688
00:47:10,664 --> 00:47:13,166
[smacks lips] Overruled. Proceed.
689
00:47:13,667 --> 00:47:16,795
Ms. Reid, do you believe
Danny was ever sexually abused?
690
00:47:31,185 --> 00:47:32,186
No.
691
00:47:33,687 --> 00:47:36,690
- I'm sorry. Let me ask that again.
- I don't believe he was abused.
692
00:47:38,609 --> 00:47:43,238
Ms. Reid... [stammers] ...I understand
that this is very difficult for you.
693
00:47:43,822 --> 00:47:46,158
I just want to remind you
that you are under oath.
694
00:47:48,035 --> 00:47:50,662
Are you sure
there wasn't any kind of abuse?
695
00:47:50,662 --> 00:47:51,747
[Patricia] Objection.
696
00:47:51,747 --> 00:47:53,165
[Stan] Are you sure
you didn't hear anything?
697
00:47:53,165 --> 00:47:54,291
- Asked and answered.
- [gavel bangs]
698
00:47:54,291 --> 00:47:56,502
- Are you sure that you didn't see any--
- [Posner] Sustained.
699
00:48:03,175 --> 00:48:04,176
[Stan] Ms. Reid?
700
00:48:05,385 --> 00:48:06,386
No.
701
00:48:09,932 --> 00:48:10,933
No further questions.
702
00:48:11,850 --> 00:48:12,851
[Posner] Ms. Richards.
703
00:48:14,269 --> 00:48:15,437
No questions, Your Honor.
704
00:48:15,437 --> 00:48:17,314
The witness is excused.
705
00:48:32,579 --> 00:48:34,706
[Posner] We'll adjourn till tomorrow.
706
00:48:34,706 --> 00:48:36,166
Escort the jury out please.
707
00:48:36,708 --> 00:48:38,001
[gavel bangs]
708
00:48:38,001 --> 00:48:39,086
[bailiff] All rise.
709
00:48:47,302 --> 00:48:48,554
[Stan] Danny, stand up.
710
00:48:58,272 --> 00:49:00,274
["I Remember" playing]
711
00:49:09,241 --> 00:49:12,119
♪ We tramped the open moorland
In the rainy April weather ♪
712
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,955
[door opens, closes]
713
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:20,961
♪ And came upon the little inn
That we had found together ♪
714
00:49:20,961 --> 00:49:22,045
[Marlin exhales deeply]
715
00:49:22,045 --> 00:49:28,302
♪ The landlord gave us toast and tea
And stopped to share a joke ♪
716
00:49:29,636 --> 00:49:33,223
♪ And I remember firelight ♪
717
00:49:33,223 --> 00:49:34,433
[clearing throat]
718
00:49:36,602 --> 00:49:41,315
♪ I remember firelight ♪
719
00:49:41,315 --> 00:49:44,484
♪ And you remember smoke ♪
720
00:49:48,572 --> 00:49:53,702
♪ We ran about the meadow grass
With all the harebells bending ♪
721
00:49:56,955 --> 00:50:02,419
♪ And shaking in the summer wind
A summer never-ending ♪
722
00:50:03,462 --> 00:50:08,926
♪ We wandered to the little stream
Among the river flats ♪
723
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:13,555
♪ And I remember willow trees ♪
724
00:50:13,555 --> 00:50:20,729
♪ I remember willow trees ♪
725
00:50:21,355 --> 00:50:24,399
♪ And you remember gnats ♪
726
00:50:29,363 --> 00:50:35,285
♪ We strolled the Spanish marketplace
At 90 in the shade ♪
727
00:50:36,036 --> 00:50:40,999
♪ With all the fruit and vegetables
So temptingly arrayed ♪
728
00:50:42,209 --> 00:50:45,379
♪ And we can share a memory ♪
729
00:50:45,921 --> 00:50:49,383
♪ As every lover must ♪
730
00:50:49,967 --> 00:50:53,387
♪ And I remember oranges ♪
731
00:50:53,387 --> 00:51:00,227
♪ I remember oranges ♪
732
00:51:00,727 --> 00:51:03,647
♪ And you remember dust ♪
733
00:51:03,647 --> 00:51:05,524
[inhales sharply, breathing shakily]
734
00:51:05,524 --> 00:51:10,404
♪ The autumn leaves are tumbling down
And winter's almost here ♪
735
00:51:11,446 --> 00:51:16,201
♪ But through the spring and summertime
We laughed away the year ♪
736
00:51:17,369 --> 00:51:19,162
[grunts, breathing shakily]
737
00:51:24,251 --> 00:51:25,252
[swallows]
738
00:51:27,129 --> 00:51:29,339
[grunts, breathing heavily]
739
00:51:30,591 --> 00:51:34,887
♪ Two happy hearts that beat as one ♪
740
00:51:35,554 --> 00:51:41,018
♪ When I had thought that we were "we" ♪
741
00:51:43,020 --> 00:51:49,985
♪ But we were "you and me" ♪