1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:23,929 --> 00:00:27,908 This film is based on minutes from a meeting 4 00:00:27,932 --> 00:00:30,946 which has gone down in history as the Wannsee Conference. 5 00:00:42,230 --> 00:00:46,244 The so-called statesmen of the enemy spoke. 6 00:00:46,642 --> 00:00:53,646 They could allow themselves to be silent, because their cannons spoke. 7 00:00:57,645 --> 00:01:04,606 And their soldiers won victories on a tremendous scale, 8 00:01:04,630 --> 00:01:07,634 which is unparalleled in history. 9 00:01:12,823 --> 00:01:18,239 It is a pleasure for us as Berliners to express our warm gratitude 10 00:01:18,264 --> 00:01:24,251 to you, my Führer, on behalf of the entire German people. 11 00:01:29,642 --> 00:01:34,614 I think I speak for the whole people when I say, my Führer: 12 00:01:34,638 --> 00:01:41,613 We stood by your side when they were silent, in difficult and in happy moments, 13 00:01:41,637 --> 00:01:46,608 and we will stand with you through all disasters 14 00:01:46,632 --> 00:01:50,630 till the proud hour of our victory... 15 00:02:07,044 --> 00:02:11,738 Berlin, war winter 1942. 16 00:02:11,763 --> 00:02:17,748 The persecution and murder of Europe's Jewish population began a long time ago. 17 00:02:18,051 --> 00:02:22,558 On January 20, the highest representatives of the SS meet, 18 00:02:22,583 --> 00:02:25,569 The NSDAP and the ministerial bureaucracy 19 00:02:25,927 --> 00:02:30,898 at a conference in a villa at Großer Wannsee. 20 00:02:30,923 --> 00:02:35,121 The person who invited to this breakfast meeting is Reinhard Heydrich, 21 00:02:35,273 --> 00:02:38,268 the head of the National Security Agency, RSHA. 22 00:02:39,050 --> 00:02:46,036 On the agenda is "the final solution to the Jewish question". 23 00:03:17,049 --> 00:03:19,025 - Hail Hitler. - Good morning. 24 00:03:19,049 --> 00:03:22,021 - Has Obergruppenführer Heydrich landed? - No. 25 00:03:22,045 --> 00:03:24,636 Notify me when he does. Who is here? 26 00:03:24,661 --> 00:03:28,642 Dr. Freisler, Secretary of State Neumann and Herr Luther of the State Department. 27 00:03:29,009 --> 00:03:32,004 I can't keep them waiting... 28 00:03:37,266 --> 00:03:41,027 - Where is Obersturmbannführer Eichmann? - In the meeting room. 29 00:03:41,051 --> 00:03:43,031 Please go ahead. 30 00:03:43,222 --> 00:03:47,018 Entertain the gentlemen with some civilized conversation. 31 00:03:47,042 --> 00:03:49,027 Tell stories from the East. 32 00:03:49,051 --> 00:03:53,023 The Secretary of State may find them distasteful. 33 00:03:53,047 --> 00:03:56,042 You can handle it. 34 00:04:06,683 --> 00:04:09,699 - Comrade Eichmann. - Good morning, Gruppenführer. 35 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:16,610 - It looks orderly. - We are almost done. 36 00:04:16,859 --> 00:04:19,344 Heydrich at the end of the table? 37 00:04:19,369 --> 00:04:21,527 You to his right, Gruppenführer Hofmann to his left. 38 00:04:21,551 --> 00:04:25,594 Then Hofmann will be happy. And here next to him? 39 00:04:25,681 --> 00:04:26,823 Ministry of the East: 40 00:04:26,848 --> 00:04:31,840 Gauleiter Meyer, Dr Leibbrandt and Dr Bühler from the General Government. 41 00:04:35,132 --> 00:04:39,818 - We place Meyer a little further away. - I thought that as a Gauleiter... 42 00:04:39,842 --> 00:04:42,823 Otherwise he feels too important. Further. 43 00:04:42,997 --> 00:04:45,832 Dr Schöngarth and Dr Lange. 44 00:04:46,294 --> 00:04:48,052 Fine. 45 00:04:48,445 --> 00:04:51,428 - And the desktop riders opposite? - Yes. 46 00:04:51,843 --> 00:04:53,817 And you? 47 00:04:53,841 --> 00:04:57,820 I will sit down with Fräulein Werlemann, so that we can resolve matters of protocol directly. 48 00:04:57,844 --> 00:04:59,824 At the side table, I see. 49 00:04:59,848 --> 00:05:03,856 - I'm glad you're here. - Me too, Gruppenführer. 50 00:05:04,559 --> 00:05:05,942 It's different. 51 00:05:06,460 --> 00:05:09,510 For my part, we can hold all conferences here. 52 00:05:10,845 --> 00:05:15,849 - You don't like Herr Eichmann's office? - I didn't say that. 53 00:05:17,065 --> 00:05:21,822 Do something about the work environment, Eichmann. A trip to the zoo. 54 00:05:21,846 --> 00:05:24,815 I will investigate the possibilities. 55 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,824 - Did your trip to Theresienstadt go well? - Very good. I came home last night. 56 00:05:29,109 --> 00:05:33,523 - Was everything as expected? - It's not as crowded as people say. 57 00:05:33,846 --> 00:05:37,833 - That's what I said. - The new bunk beds work perfectly. 58 00:05:38,172 --> 00:05:40,827 The inmates are allowed to huddle together. 59 00:05:40,851 --> 00:05:44,016 First Mölder's plane crash and now Field Marshal Reichenau. 60 00:05:44,391 --> 00:05:49,822 I left the coat at the laundry, and now we already have the next state funeral. 61 00:05:49,846 --> 00:05:53,825 - A terrible loss, especially now. - Yes. 62 00:05:53,849 --> 00:05:57,834 - Apparently a stroke. - Deep in the Ukrainian forests. 63 00:05:58,155 --> 00:06:01,128 - What was he doing in the forest? - Run. 64 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,579 - In minus 40 degrees, like every morning. - You're kidding. 65 00:06:05,852 --> 00:06:09,829 A Reichenau is not stopped by freezing temperatures. A tough devil. 66 00:06:10,153 --> 00:06:14,131 40 degrees below zero, good god. And our men outside Moscow... 67 00:06:14,451 --> 00:06:19,448 It is not warmer for the Russians. Moscow falls on Easter at the latest. 68 00:06:21,511 --> 00:06:23,518 Right, Dr Schöngarth? 69 00:06:26,620 --> 00:06:29,598 Of course. 70 00:06:29,740 --> 00:06:31,739 Excuse me. 71 00:06:53,063 --> 00:06:57,061 - It was a surprise! - Dr. Schöngarth? 72 00:06:57,750 --> 00:07:00,559 - I thought you were in Latvia? - That's me. 73 00:07:00,584 --> 00:07:02,579 I am here in place of Dr. Stahlecker. 74 00:07:03,188 --> 00:07:06,100 - You are climbing in the career. - Well... 75 00:07:11,582 --> 00:07:16,567 - I'm not happy with conferences. - You get used to it. 76 00:07:16,747 --> 00:07:20,725 - Where do you live? - Here. My room is up there. 77 00:07:20,749 --> 00:07:24,734 You should have told me! This is the wish. 78 00:07:24,758 --> 00:07:28,742 I only arrived last night. 79 00:07:30,142 --> 00:07:33,731 - Lots of work at your place? - Yes. 80 00:07:33,985 --> 00:07:39,728 You are hardly finished with your Jews until more arrive. 900 more yesterday, Czech. 81 00:07:39,923 --> 00:07:42,736 Where do you place them? The ghetto in Riga? 82 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,738 Hardly. We take a walk in the forest, and that's it. 83 00:07:57,745 --> 00:07:59,737 - Mr. Kritzinger. - Dr. Klopfer. 84 00:08:00,384 --> 00:08:03,717 I never thought I would make it! 85 00:08:03,939 --> 00:08:07,181 Be careful what you say. The Gestapo is watching us. 86 00:08:07,259 --> 00:08:10,737 As far as I know, we have nothing on you, Dr. Klopfer. 87 00:08:10,761 --> 00:08:13,721 It was a relief. 88 00:08:13,745 --> 00:08:17,736 - Minister Kritzinger... - Gruppenführer. 89 00:08:18,142 --> 00:08:21,727 I didn't know your agency operates a branch out here. 90 00:08:22,102 --> 00:08:25,112 - A former factory villa. - Aryanized? 91 00:08:25,386 --> 00:08:27,374 Not in this case. 92 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:29,748 Gentlemen. 93 00:08:31,742 --> 00:08:35,742 Obergruppenführer Heydrich has just landed. 94 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,449 We start at twelve o'clock as planned. Notify the kitchen. 95 00:09:08,546 --> 00:09:09,546 Yes, Obersturmbannführer. 96 00:09:09,755 --> 00:09:14,755 We expect 90 minutes. Prepare snacks in the saloon when the doors close. 97 00:09:21,612 --> 00:09:24,019 - Gauleiter. - Gruppenführer. 98 00:09:24,390 --> 00:09:25,412 Dr. Buhler. 99 00:09:27,748 --> 00:09:29,733 - Dr. Leibbrandt. - Gruppenführer. 100 00:09:29,757 --> 00:09:33,728 Where have you kidnapped us to, Müller? It looks downright feudal. 101 00:09:33,752 --> 00:09:36,736 It is a guest house that belongs to RSHA. 102 00:09:36,939 --> 00:09:39,919 The East Ministry should also have a guesthouse at Wannsee. 103 00:09:40,119 --> 00:09:42,267 I agree. 104 00:09:42,375 --> 00:09:45,366 Are you doing just as well in Kraków, Dr. Bühler? 105 00:09:46,211 --> 00:09:49,328 The General Government has other concerns: two million Polish Jews. 106 00:09:49,741 --> 00:09:53,727 - You can say that again. - We wait in vain for reinforcements. 107 00:09:53,751 --> 00:09:57,950 - That is why we are here today. - Governor-General Frank wants results. 108 00:09:58,746 --> 00:09:59,764 Gentlemen. 109 00:10:08,625 --> 00:10:09,625 Gruppenführer Müller. 110 00:10:10,033 --> 00:10:13,012 Dr. Stuckart. Let me congratulate you on the addition. 111 00:10:13,353 --> 00:10:15,728 As well informed as always. 112 00:10:15,752 --> 00:10:19,733 Why are we honored to be here? Repainting on Prinz-Albrecht-Straße? 113 00:10:19,757 --> 00:10:22,294 We wanted to give a little change. 114 00:10:22,431 --> 00:10:25,423 You want to impress us, but don't get your hopes up. 115 00:10:25,877 --> 00:10:28,865 The house has central heating. 116 00:10:31,044 --> 00:10:34,733 - For God's sake! - Can you orient me? 117 00:10:35,108 --> 00:10:39,116 Gauleiter Meyer. You must know him. Ministry of the East. 118 00:10:39,491 --> 00:10:43,480 - He hasn't introduced himself. - It will. He thinks he is important. 119 00:10:43,505 --> 00:10:46,927 Leibbrandt works for him. He speaks seven languages. 120 00:10:49,071 --> 00:10:50,379 And next to him? 121 00:10:50,515 --> 00:10:53,496 Dr. Buhler. I have to constantly spar with him in Kraków. 122 00:10:53,755 --> 00:10:56,692 - The General Government. Civil administration. - And the other costume elves? 123 00:10:57,038 --> 00:11:03,994 Doubters in service. Secretary of State and stuff like that. Göring's office for the four-year plan. 124 00:11:04,338 --> 00:11:07,333 The Ministry of Justice, the National Chancellery and the Party Chancellery. 125 00:11:08,606 --> 00:11:12,216 Luther, he's nice. Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 126 00:11:12,254 --> 00:11:17,259 - I hope I don't have to remember them all. - But you must remember him. 127 00:11:17,284 --> 00:11:20,268 Stucco art. He will be interior minister one day. 128 00:11:20,752 --> 00:11:24,737 - Yes, this will be fun. - It's like a friends night out. 129 00:11:25,041 --> 00:11:30,726 In the end, it's about who wears the hat, albeit without beer. 130 00:11:30,750 --> 00:11:32,735 That was unfortunate. 131 00:11:33,290 --> 00:11:37,272 - I was wondering if you would come by bicycle. - I considered it. 132 00:11:37,398 --> 00:11:39,133 Do you live here by the lake? 133 00:11:39,266 --> 00:11:42,922 Two kilometers. A beautiful house. A wonderful family. 134 00:11:42,956 --> 00:11:45,944 Who is the young man? 135 00:11:48,029 --> 00:11:51,729 - A Sturmbannführer if I see correctly. - In this party? 136 00:11:51,753 --> 00:11:55,733 - They probably both belong to the rough crew. - Heydrich's "fighting administration". 137 00:11:56,210 --> 00:12:00,217 I don't want to know what our soldiers in the east have to experience. 138 00:12:02,744 --> 00:12:04,737 - Hail Hitler. - Gruppenführer Hofmann. 139 00:12:05,050 --> 00:12:08,229 - A pleasure. - It is my pleasure. And in the east? 140 00:12:08,334 --> 00:12:12,318 - Too many Jews, but we are working on it. - That is why we are here today. 141 00:12:12,757 --> 00:12:16,726 According to the invitation, Mr. Heydrich is to draw up an overall plan 142 00:12:16,750 --> 00:12:20,732 to solve the Jewish question. Do you know more about the matter? 143 00:12:21,276 --> 00:12:24,128 He seems serious. Otherwise he wouldn't have invited us here. 144 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:27,728 Göring himself entrusted him with it. 145 00:12:27,752 --> 00:12:31,054 Yes, Heydrich's path to Reich Marshal has been short. 146 00:12:31,079 --> 00:12:35,057 - He is an ambitious man. - That's what I want to say! 147 00:12:35,401 --> 00:12:39,220 An incredible career, and he's not even a graduate. 148 00:12:39,245 --> 00:12:42,743 - He has success. That is the important thing. - He is welcome to have that. 149 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,040 But I dislike poachers in my area of ​​responsibility. 150 00:12:50,222 --> 00:12:52,587 Let me introduce Sturmbannführer Lange. 151 00:12:52,612 --> 00:12:55,584 - And you represent...? - Brigadeführer Stahlecker. 152 00:12:55,764 --> 00:12:57,757 I know him. Welcome. 153 00:13:19,268 --> 00:13:20,730 Hail Hitler. 154 00:13:20,754 --> 00:13:23,727 - Welcome to Berlin. - How are you? 155 00:13:23,751 --> 00:13:25,737 - Very good thanks. Did the flight go well? - Yes. 156 00:13:25,761 --> 00:13:28,764 - Are all the others here? - Yes, we are full. 157 00:13:33,899 --> 00:13:38,883 An excellent idea to invite to a second breakfast. Now at least they are punctual. 158 00:13:39,190 --> 00:13:42,734 - How is the mood? - Dr. Stuckart is as combative as ever. 159 00:13:42,758 --> 00:13:44,876 Dr. Bühler complains about the Jews in the General Government. 160 00:13:44,901 --> 00:13:46,887 As usual, that is. 161 00:13:47,255 --> 00:13:50,743 Make sure you are well taken care of in the kitchen, Hauptsturmführer. 162 00:13:51,185 --> 00:13:54,736 - Do you have the numbers I asked for? - They are ready in the study. 163 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,373 I have noted that the accuracy varies. 164 00:13:58,514 --> 00:14:01,516 An impression of correctness is enough. 165 00:14:07,755 --> 00:14:09,770 - Gauleiter. - Obergruppenführer. 166 00:14:11,185 --> 00:14:16,591 Good morning. Sorry I am late. My departure in Prague was delayed. 167 00:14:17,099 --> 00:14:20,459 We have a lot to do. I'll be there in a minute. 168 00:14:20,766 --> 00:14:23,733 Mr. Luther. Dr. Lange. 169 00:14:23,757 --> 00:14:25,755 Excuse me. 170 00:14:51,069 --> 00:14:53,080 Please close the door. 171 00:14:58,972 --> 00:15:03,954 Mr. Luther, surely the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has its own ideas about the Jewish question? 172 00:15:04,079 --> 00:15:05,079 That's right. 173 00:15:05,153 --> 00:15:08,727 I hope they are in line with what we discussed. 174 00:15:08,751 --> 00:15:12,740 - I don't want to start from scratch. - Everything is as we have discussed. 175 00:15:12,764 --> 00:15:16,737 On the whole, it's about 176 00:15:16,761 --> 00:15:21,738 that we must have full access to all Jews of all nationalities, 177 00:15:21,762 --> 00:15:24,737 provided they are within our sphere of interest. 178 00:15:24,761 --> 00:15:27,729 The time for international considerations is over. 179 00:15:27,753 --> 00:15:28,753 So true. 180 00:15:29,646 --> 00:15:34,741 The United States and England have taken decisions against us. The Jews can no longer be used as hostages. 181 00:15:34,765 --> 00:15:38,735 They should have been taken from us while it was possible. 182 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:44,425 It fits well with our thoughts. I like the last paragraph best: 183 00:15:44,456 --> 00:15:49,441 "The measures are carried out in agreement with the state secret police." 184 00:15:49,996 --> 00:15:55,734 Our collaboration with Herr Eichmann has been extremely constructive. 185 00:15:55,758 --> 00:15:59,741 Maybe it's because I've also worked in transport. 186 00:15:59,765 --> 00:16:03,730 I can only imagine the work that the current measures require. 187 00:16:03,754 --> 00:16:05,731 I am glad to hear. 188 00:16:05,755 --> 00:16:10,747 Our tactics in the Jewish question are too rapid for the delicate sensibilities abroad. 189 00:16:10,771 --> 00:16:13,733 I like to do a proper job. 190 00:16:13,757 --> 00:16:16,767 - Can you excuse us for a moment? - Of course. 191 00:16:22,753 --> 00:16:25,543 - Recorder? - Fräulein Werlemann from Eichmann's office. 192 00:16:25,617 --> 00:16:28,597 - Reliable? - One hundred percent. 193 00:16:28,762 --> 00:16:31,745 - Day officer? - Handpicked people. 194 00:16:31,939 --> 00:16:35,735 Dr. Lange, come closer. You don't have to hide. 195 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:38,746 I only hear good things from the Baltics. 196 00:16:39,254 --> 00:16:42,935 The commander of Task Force A, Brigadeführer Stahlecker, 197 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,746 as well as Higher SS and Police Commander in the East, Obergruppenführer Jeckeln, 198 00:16:46,770 --> 00:16:50,747 has authorized me to inform you: Estonia is free of Jews. 199 00:16:50,988 --> 00:16:55,379 Lithuania and Latvia, apart from a few remaining working Jews, are also free. 200 00:16:55,404 --> 00:16:58,407 What can I say? Good news. 201 00:17:03,194 --> 00:17:05,188 May I? 202 00:17:13,630 --> 00:17:14,744 What is this? 203 00:17:14,768 --> 00:17:18,606 We have prepared a small sketch with the quotas achieved so far. 204 00:17:18,678 --> 00:17:21,663 Task group A is now at 220,000. 205 00:17:21,765 --> 00:17:24,735 Together with the others, it will be half a million. 206 00:17:24,759 --> 00:17:28,738 - It is making progress. - You've worked hard on this one! 207 00:17:28,762 --> 00:17:32,434 The drawings were made by a comrade. We have someone who can do that. 208 00:17:32,656 --> 00:17:35,145 Only 42,000 in Belarus? 209 00:17:35,324 --> 00:17:39,309 Unfortunately. It is a large area, and there is a lack of vehicles and gasoline. 210 00:17:39,441 --> 00:17:42,742 And the ground is frozen. We can't dig holes. 211 00:17:42,766 --> 00:17:45,739 Arquebusing is still possible, but disposal has stalled. 212 00:17:45,763 --> 00:17:49,353 - How do you remedy that? - Stacks, until it thaws again. 213 00:17:49,424 --> 00:17:52,400 We will soon get rid of those kinds of bottlenecks. 214 00:17:52,502 --> 00:17:55,494 The promised gas wagons are soon on their way to you too. 215 00:17:56,338 --> 00:18:00,333 - Have the loading problems been solved? - Problem? 216 00:18:01,761 --> 00:18:06,751 A comrade from Kulmhof told me. The Jews do not voluntarily go on the wagons. 217 00:18:06,775 --> 00:18:13,733 - It often gets restless in the hold. - Yes, it takes a little fingertip feeling. 218 00:18:13,757 --> 00:18:18,743 Afterwards they have to go out again. The comrade says that it is more disgusting than the arquebusing. 219 00:18:18,767 --> 00:18:20,735 It is still more efficient, 220 00:18:20,759 --> 00:18:24,743 especially with a full load of nine to ten units per square meter. 221 00:18:24,767 --> 00:18:27,748 The wagons are still only a transitional solution. 222 00:18:27,772 --> 00:18:31,743 Later you will learn more about the scope of our current plans. 223 00:18:31,767 --> 00:18:33,747 I'm looking forward to it. 224 00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:35,990 Eichmann. 225 00:18:41,463 --> 00:18:43,742 The transport yesterday from Theresienstadt? 226 00:18:43,766 --> 00:18:47,740 Completed last night. I almost missed my flight. 227 00:18:47,764 --> 00:18:50,900 - Thank you, Sturmbannführer. - An order is an order. 228 00:18:51,073 --> 00:18:57,073 You and your comrades are doing a duty to people and fatherland that few are capable of. 229 00:18:57,403 --> 00:19:00,427 The future will honor the heroism of your men. 230 00:19:01,756 --> 00:19:05,745 - If I can, I'll say hello to them. - Do so. 231 00:19:05,863 --> 00:19:10,834 Some of the gentlemen you will meet are not made of the same wood as us. 232 00:19:11,033 --> 00:19:14,744 We have inherited remnants of the previous administration and government. 233 00:19:14,768 --> 00:19:17,778 The ones Herr Müller calls them "Christmas Santas". 234 00:19:18,361 --> 00:19:21,743 Dr. Schöngarth has warned me. I will be discreet. 235 00:19:21,767 --> 00:19:27,088 It's not necessary. They should be told what they are participating in. That closes the ranks. 236 00:19:27,306 --> 00:19:29,588 I understand. A question of dosage. 237 00:19:29,613 --> 00:19:32,616 Right. A question of dosage. 238 00:19:55,095 --> 00:19:58,746 But shouldn't my place be here? 239 00:19:58,770 --> 00:20:01,781 - Here, Gauleiter. - Would you be so kind? 240 00:20:14,539 --> 00:20:18,684 - Here we are again talking about the Jews. - It looks like that. 241 00:20:18,709 --> 00:20:20,709 An extremely unpleasant topic. 242 00:20:25,774 --> 00:20:27,777 Thanks. 243 00:20:30,776 --> 00:20:35,387 - Dr. Stuckart. - Undersecretary of State Luther. 244 00:20:35,621 --> 00:20:38,137 Did your audience end well? 245 00:20:38,249 --> 00:20:42,250 You should not be jealous. I heard that you yourself were a guest in Prague. 246 00:20:42,602 --> 00:20:48,604 I represented the interests of the Home Office, not the RSHA. 247 00:20:51,803 --> 00:20:54,784 - Water? - Thank you, please. 248 00:21:14,077 --> 00:21:19,055 Herr Gauleiter, Secretary of State, Comrades of the SS. 249 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:22,785 I am pleased that you accepted my invitation at such short notice. 250 00:21:22,810 --> 00:21:26,587 We preferred it to a dusty office, 251 00:21:26,643 --> 00:21:30,630 so that we are not disturbed by telephones and the running of the advisers. 252 00:21:31,078 --> 00:21:38,056 And if your agencies would like to enjoy the convenience here, one night costs… 253 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,058 Eichmann, help me. 254 00:21:41,082 --> 00:21:43,599 Five reiksmark per night and person. 255 00:21:43,624 --> 00:21:46,358 - What an offer! - So that's why we're here. 256 00:21:46,383 --> 00:21:50,363 RSHA is looking for new sources of funding. 257 00:21:50,388 --> 00:21:53,375 Anything helps, Mister Gauleiter. Joking aside. 258 00:21:54,076 --> 00:21:59,045 Regarding the reason for our gathering, I would like to draw your attention 259 00:21:59,069 --> 00:22:03,053 to the letter from Reich Marshal Göring which is attached to my invitation. 260 00:22:03,077 --> 00:22:06,827 There, the Reich Marshal tasks me to: 261 00:22:06,852 --> 00:22:12,413 "Make preparations in organizational, factual and material terms 262 00:22:12,654 --> 00:22:15,639 for a comprehensive solution to Europe's Jewish question." 263 00:22:15,757 --> 00:22:19,976 I am instructed to involve all concerned central authorities 264 00:22:20,078 --> 00:22:25,718 to produce an overall draft. So that's you, gentlemen. 265 00:22:25,743 --> 00:22:30,759 - That is why we are here today. - Add a copy to the minutes. 266 00:22:31,452 --> 00:22:34,431 - May I ask... - Already, Dr. Freisler? 267 00:22:34,595 --> 00:22:36,575 Just a trifle. 268 00:22:36,718 --> 00:22:42,728 The assignment is dated to July last year. Why is it only happening now? 269 00:22:44,318 --> 00:22:48,287 As you know, for a few months I have been dividing my time between Berlin and Prague. 270 00:22:48,312 --> 00:22:52,452 My duties as Deputy National Protector occupy much of my time. 271 00:22:52,732 --> 00:22:54,719 The Czechs offer stubborn resistance. 272 00:22:55,079 --> 00:22:59,897 It was expected. The slaves are recalcitrant. 273 00:23:00,068 --> 00:23:05,057 A meeting in December was made impossible by the military developments: 274 00:23:05,081 --> 00:23:07,374 Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, 275 00:23:07,551 --> 00:23:13,569 The Führer's declaration of war against the United States and the Russian counter-offensive in the East. 276 00:23:13,632 --> 00:23:17,615 After all, the Russians have decided to offer resistance. 277 00:23:17,804 --> 00:23:20,043 It won't help him. 278 00:23:20,067 --> 00:23:24,051 I have been asked to present an overall draft regarding, 279 00:23:24,075 --> 00:23:27,054 and I quote the Reich Marshal again: 280 00:23:27,078 --> 00:23:32,085 "The Implementation of the Final Solution to the Jewish Question." 281 00:23:33,374 --> 00:23:36,343 The overall solution to the Jewish question is just that: 282 00:23:36,402 --> 00:23:38,395 The final solution to the Jewish question. 283 00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:43,819 Our preparations have thus been extensive and complicated, 284 00:23:43,844 --> 00:23:47,058 which has caused some delays. 285 00:23:47,082 --> 00:23:52,059 - Thanks for the information. I understand. - Have I understood the matter correctly? 286 00:23:52,083 --> 00:23:55,330 So we are no longer just talking about the national Jews? 287 00:23:55,355 --> 00:23:59,612 - Do the new plans apply to all of Europe? - That's right. 288 00:23:59,937 --> 00:24:03,919 The Jewish question can only be considered solved after a total biological cleansing 289 00:24:03,944 --> 00:24:06,916 of all Jewry up to the Ural Mountains. 290 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:13,071 That is the goal, the task that fate has set before us. 291 00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:15,920 All over Europe... 292 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,087 It's a whole new perspective. 293 00:24:20,776 --> 00:24:24,763 The goal has been around for a long time. The new thing is that we are now dealing with it. 294 00:24:24,841 --> 00:24:29,821 It is not unexpected. I was at the Führer's house a few weeks ago. 295 00:24:29,846 --> 00:24:34,315 Then he said clearly that he wanted the Jewish question resolved. 296 00:24:34,551 --> 00:24:36,839 As he predicted in the Riksdag: 297 00:24:37,078 --> 00:24:42,048 "If international Jewry once again plunges the people into a world war, 298 00:24:42,072 --> 00:24:45,061 then the result will not be a Bolshevization of the world, 299 00:24:45,085 --> 00:24:48,636 without an annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe." 300 00:24:48,845 --> 00:24:54,816 This is the falsification of prophecy. The Jews want war and will have it. 301 00:24:55,075 --> 00:24:58,714 The destiny of Judaism is fulfilled, which is hard but deserved. 302 00:24:58,785 --> 00:25:02,776 Pity or remorse is thus completely inappropriate. 303 00:25:03,417 --> 00:25:08,059 We don't need any presentations. Most people here are familiar with each other. 304 00:25:08,083 --> 00:25:11,081 Except our Sturmbannführer here. 305 00:25:14,331 --> 00:25:15,331 Dr. Stuckart? 306 00:25:15,357 --> 00:25:21,356 I just wanted to point out that I am not personally familiar with him. 307 00:25:23,256 --> 00:25:28,260 - Dr. Lange, would you be so kind? - Sturmbannführer, Dr. Rudolf Lange. 308 00:25:28,285 --> 00:25:31,951 Head of the security police and intelligence service in Latvia. 309 00:25:32,166 --> 00:25:35,623 I represent Dr. Stahlecker, who sends greetings to all of you. 310 00:25:35,852 --> 00:25:37,831 Then it was settled. 311 00:25:37,958 --> 00:25:41,946 - Isn't Latvia our territory? - That's right. 312 00:25:42,087 --> 00:25:45,060 Our operational area is in the Rikskommissariat Ostland. 313 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,959 - And yet we haven't met? - We haven't been given the opportunity. 314 00:25:48,984 --> 00:25:53,787 Then it's time. We want to know who moves in our area of ​​responsibility. 315 00:25:53,878 --> 00:25:55,858 I will arrange it as soon as possible. 316 00:25:56,078 --> 00:25:58,592 This might interest the gentlemen: 317 00:25:58,794 --> 00:26:03,240 Thanks to the combined efforts of the Ministry of the East and the task forces 318 00:26:03,739 --> 00:26:07,209 can Estonia be considered Jew-free. 319 00:26:10,972 --> 00:26:12,961 Dr. Lange has already notified me. 320 00:26:13,008 --> 00:26:17,985 You will soon be able to read a report on the situation for the task forces. 321 00:26:18,299 --> 00:26:22,290 You are welcome to take a look at it later. 322 00:26:23,774 --> 00:26:27,785 - If I may ask a question... - Is it a short question? 323 00:26:28,326 --> 00:26:32,314 - It applies to Dr. Lange's area of ​​responsibility. - You are welcome. 324 00:26:32,459 --> 00:26:34,926 As you write in your invitation have 325 00:26:34,965 --> 00:26:38,439 Jewish transport increased in recent months, 326 00:26:38,464 --> 00:26:42,450 both from the kingdom and from the protectorate, this according to your report IV B4 327 00:26:42,475 --> 00:26:46,239 and your Jewish expert Obersturmbannführer Eichmann. 328 00:26:46,264 --> 00:26:47,311 That's right. 329 00:26:47,336 --> 00:26:52,319 There appear to have been irregularities during these transports. 330 00:26:52,928 --> 00:26:59,740 The Rikskansliet holds documents from November, from Riga. 331 00:26:59,889 --> 00:27:01,703 Can you get to the point? 332 00:27:02,592 --> 00:27:06,192 At efforts in the Rigattot 333 00:27:06,732 --> 00:27:09,910 to prepare a certain relief, 334 00:27:09,934 --> 00:27:16,896 a transport of Jews from Berlin was included in an ongoing special treatment. 335 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,084 We know that. What else? 336 00:27:18,109 --> 00:27:20,981 The incident has also been discussed at the Ministry of the Interior, 337 00:27:21,013 --> 00:27:24,066 with a certain inability to understand. 338 00:27:24,263 --> 00:27:29,447 I beg you. Judaism has forced this war on us. 339 00:27:29,713 --> 00:27:34,696 One must recognize the world-historical necessity of fighting back. 340 00:27:35,063 --> 00:27:42,046 One cannot anxiously ask whether individual Jews bear personal guilt. 341 00:27:43,403 --> 00:27:48,591 You see, gentlemen... We are warm and cozy here. 342 00:27:48,662 --> 00:27:51,512 But in the East it is often less orderly. 343 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,482 It is not possible to get an up-to-date order from Berlin for each individual decision. 344 00:27:55,701 --> 00:27:58,646 I know. I was a soldier in World War. 345 00:27:58,671 --> 00:28:05,639 Then you know that our units are sometimes forced to improvise at the front. 346 00:28:05,734 --> 00:28:09,721 Here we are talking about a thousand people, from Berlin. 347 00:28:09,925 --> 00:28:15,339 What would we do? We couldn't throw them out into the snow and let them freeze to death. 348 00:28:15,364 --> 00:28:18,636 I have great confidence in the judgment of your men. 349 00:28:18,707 --> 00:28:21,472 They solve things in the spirit of the Führer. 350 00:28:21,497 --> 00:28:23,475 Let's be honest: 351 00:28:23,724 --> 00:28:27,019 What was forbidden in November is allowed in December, so please. 352 00:28:27,044 --> 00:28:31,902 The Germans don't care if Ukrainian or Latvian Jews die. 353 00:28:32,005 --> 00:28:37,506 But each of these thousand Reich Jews has relatives, acquaintances and friends in Berlin. 354 00:28:37,531 --> 00:28:40,503 It leads to irritation and questions. 355 00:28:40,528 --> 00:28:45,131 And the Rikskansliet cannot always provide correct information. 356 00:28:45,372 --> 00:28:48,581 We also feel that way at the Ministry of Justice. 357 00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:52,488 The rumors have also led to suicides among German Jews, 358 00:28:52,547 --> 00:28:56,516 which leads to great concern among the population. 359 00:28:56,736 --> 00:29:00,237 I am not worried about Jewish suicides. 360 00:29:00,262 --> 00:29:04,238 It has happened that non-Jews have been deported, 361 00:29:04,263 --> 00:29:08,721 or Jews who fought on Germany's side in the World War, some highly decorated. 362 00:29:08,746 --> 00:29:12,722 The Gestapo in particular doesn't seem to be following their own guidelines. 363 00:29:12,791 --> 00:29:15,772 Regrettable initial mishaps. 364 00:29:16,008 --> 00:29:20,974 That is precisely why we have gathered here today, to hear all your concerns. 365 00:29:20,998 --> 00:29:25,987 Reichsmarschalk Göring, who I speak for here, recently criticized 366 00:29:26,011 --> 00:29:30,462 that Jewish skilled workers are transported from factories important for rearmament. 367 00:29:30,572 --> 00:29:36,631 It cannot, especially at this critical stage of the war, be in our interest. 368 00:29:36,656 --> 00:29:42,004 I understand. The Marshal criticizes one aspect of what he otherwise welcomes. 369 00:29:42,208 --> 00:29:45,993 - Regarding the current transports... - Dr. Bühler, can it wait? 370 00:29:46,018 --> 00:29:49,981 The Führer promised Governor General Frank several months ago 371 00:29:50,006 --> 00:29:53,532 that the General Government would be Jew-free in the foreseeable future. 372 00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:58,575 - But our ghettos are still full of explosives. - Show me someone who is better off. 373 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,373 We also run the risk of not being able to feed all the Jews. 374 00:30:02,398 --> 00:30:07,771 One wonders if the most humane thing would not be for non-working Jews 375 00:30:07,848 --> 00:30:10,507 eliminated with a fast-acting agent. 376 00:30:10,532 --> 00:30:13,495 It's more pleasant than starving to death. 377 00:30:13,496 --> 00:30:16,479 Financially speaking, absolutely right. It is war. 378 00:30:16,503 --> 00:30:20,480 Why waste precious resources on the Jews? 379 00:30:20,504 --> 00:30:24,485 We in the General Government are certainly capable of solving the problem ourselves. 380 00:30:24,509 --> 00:30:31,480 We have already taken steps in the direction of Mr. Brack's euthanasia actions. 381 00:30:31,504 --> 00:30:35,271 There are procedures, although not completely harmless. 382 00:30:35,296 --> 00:30:38,484 That's why you should let us handle it. 383 00:30:39,016 --> 00:30:40,997 We are already working with Mr. Brack. 384 00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:45,129 His people provide knowledge and equipment. 385 00:30:45,154 --> 00:30:48,132 In the Litzmannstadt ghetto, it has already provided noticeable relief. 386 00:30:48,156 --> 00:30:54,126 We hope to hear more about these measures today. At least that's what we were promised. 387 00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:57,157 I realize that we live in turbulent times. 388 00:30:57,748 --> 00:31:02,184 In recent months, we have begun tremendous development on many levels, 389 00:31:02,301 --> 00:31:06,736 and sometimes progress is faster than we have anticipated, 390 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,737 not least because areas of responsibility often overlap. 391 00:31:10,761 --> 00:31:14,737 Welcome to Berlin, where everyone seems to think they are responsible for everything. 392 00:31:14,761 --> 00:31:19,414 That is the German thoroughness. We should consider it a virtue. 393 00:31:19,439 --> 00:31:23,450 Sure, but so that our virtue doesn't become an obstacle 394 00:31:23,475 --> 00:31:27,458 a faster decision-making process is required. 395 00:31:27,482 --> 00:31:31,497 We have to make sure we follow parallel lines, so to speak. 396 00:31:33,614 --> 00:31:38,594 I state, also with regard to Reich Marshal Göring's letter, 397 00:31:38,619 --> 00:31:42,630 that from now on lies the leadership of the final solution of the Jewish question, 398 00:31:43,146 --> 00:31:49,160 regardless of geographical boundaries, with Reichsführer-SS, Heinrich Himmler 399 00:31:49,185 --> 00:31:53,168 and with his authorization the head of the National Security Board, 400 00:31:53,193 --> 00:31:57,188 that is, my little person. 401 00:32:11,441 --> 00:32:18,059 So can I inform the Minister of the Interior that the RSHA is now making the Jewish laws themselves? 402 00:32:18,084 --> 00:32:21,455 - It would be easier. - Don't worry, Dr. Stuckart. 403 00:32:21,479 --> 00:32:27,463 - You will participate in the decision-making process. - Or be informed about decisions already made? 404 00:32:27,487 --> 00:32:32,152 Don't you want to listen to our Obergruppenführer's plans first? 405 00:32:32,177 --> 00:32:34,465 before you feel excluded? 406 00:32:34,910 --> 00:32:36,887 What I feel does not belong here. 407 00:32:37,192 --> 00:32:41,176 I am asking based on a responsibility for my ministry's areas of competence. 408 00:32:41,493 --> 00:32:47,471 I'm surprised I'm the only one. You then, Mr. Luther? 409 00:32:47,766 --> 00:32:50,740 - Or the gentlemen from the Ministry of the East. - How so? 410 00:32:50,765 --> 00:32:55,730 You have complained that Berlin interferes in your Jewish affairs, and now you are silent. 411 00:32:55,755 --> 00:33:02,457 - Right now you are getting involved in our Jewish affairs. - Dr. Bühler, do you see the same in Kraków? 412 00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:06,472 If the final solution means that we finally get rid of our Jews 413 00:33:07,016 --> 00:33:11,470 am I ready to follow our Obergruppenführer's lead. 414 00:33:12,134 --> 00:33:17,476 And that's exactly how it should be. We will solve your Jewish problems for you! 415 00:33:18,272 --> 00:33:23,456 After today, you will all agree that only the National Security Supervisory Board 416 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,459 is capable of solving the Jewish question, organizationally as well as practically. 417 00:33:28,483 --> 00:33:34,464 We have the resources, methods, organization and experience required 418 00:33:34,814 --> 00:33:37,455 and people with enough determination. 419 00:33:37,479 --> 00:33:42,471 If you do not agree after today, I will gladly hand over the task. 420 00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:46,976 It's not that we don't have enough work. 421 00:33:48,486 --> 00:33:52,480 - So if you let me continue... - Of course. 422 00:33:53,483 --> 00:33:58,471 A brief retrospective: Since 1933, we have waged a battle against Judaism 423 00:33:58,495 --> 00:34:02,476 and succeeded in repressing the Jews from German society. 424 00:34:02,957 --> 00:34:06,471 The Jewish race is recognized as foreign to the body of the German people, 425 00:34:06,877 --> 00:34:11,475 thanks, among other things, to the actions of the Central Agency for Race and Settlement. 426 00:34:12,156 --> 00:34:16,478 The Jewish laws have made the harmful influence of the Jews on our community 427 00:34:16,502 --> 00:34:19,464 practically impossible. 428 00:34:19,488 --> 00:34:24,974 With legislation such as Dr. Stuckart's Nuremberg Laws... 429 00:34:24,999 --> 00:34:26,980 I was just a co-author. 430 00:34:27,005 --> 00:34:32,468 With the goal of clearing the Jews out of German social life by legal means 431 00:34:32,741 --> 00:34:35,980 we have had a large number of Jews emigrate. 432 00:34:36,433 --> 00:34:42,754 - Obersturmbannführer. - So far it is around 537,000. 433 00:34:42,779 --> 00:34:48,464 Not least thanks to Obersturmbannführer Eichmann's organizational efforts. 434 00:34:48,488 --> 00:34:52,465 My agency is also only part of Gruppenführer Müller's Gestapo department. 435 00:34:52,489 --> 00:34:54,470 It was nothing. 436 00:34:54,494 --> 00:34:58,474 In principle, the acceleration of the Jewish exodus was not a bad idea. 437 00:34:58,857 --> 00:35:02,469 Let them exert their harmful influence elsewhere. 438 00:35:02,689 --> 00:35:05,478 But emigration is no longer an option. 439 00:35:05,502 --> 00:35:08,469 They don't want them abroad either. 440 00:35:08,493 --> 00:35:12,462 And we must not increase the enemy's forces in time of war. 441 00:35:12,486 --> 00:35:17,475 What happened to the idea of ​​sending them to Madagascar? Then the world had let them go. 442 00:35:17,499 --> 00:35:22,248 Shelved, as long as England has dominion over the seas. 443 00:35:22,273 --> 00:35:26,470 - The same applies to the marshlands of Siberia. - At least as long as the Russians stand in the way. 444 00:35:27,195 --> 00:35:33,176 Therefore, Reichsführer-SS and Chief of the German Police, Heinrich Himmler, forbade 445 00:35:33,201 --> 00:35:36,459 the exodus of Jews in October. 446 00:35:36,483 --> 00:35:41,475 And now we turn our attention to what I like to call "the opportunities in the East". 447 00:35:41,499 --> 00:35:46,461 In the east, thanks to the work of our task forces, we have 448 00:35:46,486 --> 00:35:49,879 about half a million Jews who have received special treatment. 449 00:35:49,904 --> 00:35:56,462 We have gained experience that will be important for the final solution. 450 00:35:56,486 --> 00:36:01,465 So instead of emigration, another possible solution has emerged. 451 00:36:01,489 --> 00:36:06,330 Let us call it the evacuation of the Jews to the East, 452 00:36:06,355 --> 00:36:11,347 to bring them to the final solution with the methods of the East. 453 00:36:12,271 --> 00:36:14,459 - Sorry, Obergruppenführer. - Dr. Lange? 454 00:36:14,483 --> 00:36:16,476 - So we're going to accept more Jews? - No. 455 00:36:16,890 --> 00:36:20,896 You deal with the Eastern Jews who are added when the front is moved forward. 456 00:36:21,451 --> 00:36:26,433 The major measures that are planned go through the Higher SS and Police Chief. 457 00:36:26,816 --> 00:36:29,804 And how big are the big measures? 458 00:36:30,001 --> 00:36:35,006 The spaces of the final solution will also relieve the task forces. 459 00:36:35,256 --> 00:36:38,470 "Evacuation to the Premises of the Final Solution", 460 00:36:38,494 --> 00:36:44,490 Does that mean special treatment for all European Jews? 461 00:36:46,028 --> 00:36:51,006 Listen now, but then forget it immediately. That's exactly right. 462 00:36:51,031 --> 00:36:55,285 May I ask where these spaces are located? 463 00:36:55,310 --> 00:37:01,474 - Not with us. That was not the case. - With us, in the General Government. 464 00:37:01,684 --> 00:37:03,660 At least I assume so. 465 00:37:03,903 --> 00:37:07,888 It is built in the area around Lublin under Brigadeführer Globocnik. 466 00:37:08,294 --> 00:37:12,706 Thus we get rid of some of the Jews who have gathered in the General Government, 467 00:37:12,982 --> 00:37:15,462 around Bełżec and Sobibór. 468 00:37:15,486 --> 00:37:18,479 The capacity is also to be expanded in eastern Upper Silesia, 469 00:37:19,065 --> 00:37:22,038 near the village of Auschwitz. More on that later. 470 00:37:22,318 --> 00:37:27,462 Dr. Bühler, didn't the Governor-General desperately want to get rid of the Jews? 471 00:37:27,765 --> 00:37:32,459 - And now he gets more? - Why do our Jews interest you right now? 472 00:37:32,484 --> 00:37:37,396 - You receive the news with great calmness. - The Obergruppenführer has explained: 473 00:37:37,421 --> 00:37:42,466 We don't have to deal with the Jews in the final solution. They don't stop. 474 00:37:42,490 --> 00:37:49,004 It's real. Do not worry. You will practically not notice it. 475 00:37:49,029 --> 00:37:52,459 But you spoke of all the Jews of Europe. 476 00:37:52,484 --> 00:37:55,501 - A good knitting line. - Obersturmbannführer... 477 00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:15,722 The map shows the current political and military situation in Europe. 478 00:38:16,308 --> 00:38:19,705 Here in the east, the current front line. 479 00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:22,749 The red is the kingdom's territory at the outbreak of war. 480 00:38:23,099 --> 00:38:25,480 The pink are incorporated areas: 481 00:38:25,504 --> 00:38:29,476 Formerly Western Poland, the Czech Republic and Austria. 482 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,605 Further east in white, the eastern territories under German civil administration: 483 00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:37,463 Ostland, Ukraine and the General Government. 484 00:38:37,487 --> 00:38:41,468 Vertically dashed in red are territories that we have occupied militarily: 485 00:38:41,492 --> 00:38:45,365 Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, 486 00:38:45,505 --> 00:38:49,699 northern France, Serbia and Greece. 487 00:38:49,724 --> 00:38:54,197 And dashed horizontally, countries that are allies or where we have influence: 488 00:38:54,641 --> 00:38:58,625 Italy, the Vichy regime, Hungary, Romania, 489 00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:02,612 Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia and Slovakia. 490 00:39:02,637 --> 00:39:06,650 - We practically have Europe in our hands. - And we have only just begun. 491 00:39:07,693 --> 00:39:10,464 - And the black dots are... - Jews. 492 00:39:10,489 --> 00:39:14,762 The density seems to indicate the concentration of the Jewish population. 493 00:39:14,787 --> 00:39:15,787 That's right. 494 00:39:16,072 --> 00:39:20,051 The further east we look, the more compact the Jewish resistance becomes, 495 00:39:20,515 --> 00:39:23,926 above all in former Poland and areas that belonged to the Soviet Union. 496 00:39:24,251 --> 00:39:27,773 After all, they have been spreading there for centuries. 497 00:39:27,798 --> 00:39:32,777 Behind the front lines in the fog of war, we have already reduced concentration significantly. 498 00:39:32,802 --> 00:39:37,474 - But there is still much to do. - The task appears to be too ambitious. 499 00:39:37,818 --> 00:39:42,467 I consider myself an expert in the field, but I cannot overview 500 00:39:42,491 --> 00:39:45,482 how many Jews are we talking about. 501 00:39:46,161 --> 00:39:49,149 We are talking about eleven million. 502 00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:57,071 This list shows how Judaism is distributed between individual countries. 503 00:39:58,082 --> 00:40:02,385 Within the Reich we still have 130,000 Jews. 504 00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:05,387 Numerically manageable, but politically complicated. 505 00:40:05,786 --> 00:40:09,321 The largest items: the General Government with 2.3 million. 506 00:40:09,346 --> 00:40:12,325 The Soviet Union has the most, around five million. 507 00:40:12,350 --> 00:40:17,329 In the Balkans, I quickly count around 1.6 million, 508 00:40:17,494 --> 00:40:20,271 and almost a million more throughout France. 509 00:40:20,489 --> 00:40:22,483 The numbers are higher than expected. 510 00:40:22,655 --> 00:40:26,763 Non-occupied countries such as England and Switzerland are also listed here. 511 00:40:26,788 --> 00:40:33,107 Of course. The figures already paint the coming new order of Europe. 512 00:40:33,323 --> 00:40:38,306 Very good. We must look beyond the horizon. 513 00:40:38,876 --> 00:40:42,855 - And where do the numbers come from? - From our archives. 514 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,199 And from representatives of the Jews in Vienna and Berlin. 515 00:40:45,318 --> 00:40:47,474 The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has also contributed. 516 00:40:47,597 --> 00:40:50,612 - Are the numbers reliable? - They should roughly match. 517 00:40:51,434 --> 00:40:55,953 - These are incredible numbers. - May I quickly put it into perspective? 518 00:40:55,978 --> 00:40:58,968 Gladly. Keep it short, please. 519 00:41:01,835 --> 00:41:06,808 We have to consider the numbers in a larger context. 520 00:41:06,833 --> 00:41:10,816 The final solution to the Jewish question is only one of the building blocks 521 00:41:10,841 --> 00:41:13,484 in the planned reorganization of Europe. 522 00:41:14,124 --> 00:41:20,483 In the longer term, we are talking about the removal of all lower races in our sphere of interest. 523 00:41:21,208 --> 00:41:25,189 The movement of people in the eastern territories must give way 524 00:41:25,214 --> 00:41:31,526 for the Germanization of the conquered living space in the East through German colonization. 525 00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:37,488 In the end, we are talking about a Europe characterized by our Germanic culture, 526 00:41:38,021 --> 00:41:43,474 in which non-Germanic peoples are at most tolerated as labor slaves. 527 00:41:43,498 --> 00:41:47,482 Reading and writing at primary school level. Counting up to one hundred. 528 00:41:47,912 --> 00:41:50,560 We don't need them anymore. 529 00:41:51,493 --> 00:41:53,709 Europe's new order and racial elevation 530 00:41:53,734 --> 00:41:56,721 requiring the repopulation of hundreds of millions. 531 00:41:57,018 --> 00:42:04,003 In comparison, a final solution for eleven million Jews is downright negligible. 532 00:42:08,491 --> 00:42:12,724 How are you going to control all these Jews? How will that happen? 533 00:42:12,749 --> 00:42:14,730 I wonder that too. 534 00:42:14,755 --> 00:42:19,715 The transports have just started, and already we have delays and obstacles. 535 00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:24,473 What will it look like when eleven million get moving. 536 00:42:24,497 --> 00:42:29,873 They do not move. They are set in motion by us. 537 00:42:30,786 --> 00:42:32,773 I don't want to trivialize it: 538 00:42:32,798 --> 00:42:37,812 We are facing an organizational task that is unprecedented in world history. 539 00:42:38,445 --> 00:42:40,429 It will proceed as follows: 540 00:42:40,501 --> 00:42:44,489 We plan to comb Europe from west to east. 541 00:42:44,831 --> 00:42:48,790 The evacuated Jews are first taken to so-called transit ghettos, 542 00:42:48,815 --> 00:42:52,426 and then transported eastward train by train. 543 00:42:52,451 --> 00:42:56,583 - So from west to east? - It's true. 544 00:42:56,608 --> 00:43:00,973 I have to hope that the General Government leads the way. 545 00:43:00,998 --> 00:43:07,479 When the facilities are in place, shall we first work by our Jews? 546 00:43:07,971 --> 00:43:10,490 - We shall see. - You must excuse... 547 00:43:11,081 --> 00:43:16,816 We cannot be expected to stand and watch as trains are full of French Jews 548 00:43:16,841 --> 00:43:20,793 rolling into our territory while our own country is being choked by Jews. 549 00:43:20,818 --> 00:43:23,699 Do you think it is different with us? 550 00:43:23,724 --> 00:43:26,489 The territory of the German Reich naturally comes first, 551 00:43:27,045 --> 00:43:30,716 not least because of the housing shortage after the bombings. 552 00:43:30,741 --> 00:43:36,714 Bohemia-Moravia also takes precedence, and not because it's my home ground. 553 00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:40,267 Too many Czechs still think they can get rid of us. 554 00:43:40,292 --> 00:43:44,603 The Jewish-controlled backbone of the resistance must be quickly broken. 555 00:43:44,834 --> 00:43:49,470 - It is about military necessity. - I understand them, but still: 556 00:43:49,495 --> 00:43:53,475 A plan with no reduction of our Jews at the beginning of the Final Solution, 557 00:43:53,499 --> 00:43:57,943 and for the record, will not be favorably received by the Governor-General. 558 00:43:57,968 --> 00:44:03,478 It wasn't said that way. We were promised relief in our ghettos at the beginning. 559 00:44:03,935 --> 00:44:06,487 We'll see. 560 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,472 If we cannot agree on the order, 561 00:44:11,496 --> 00:44:15,497 then I take the liberty of asking for a decision from the Führer. 562 00:44:17,106 --> 00:44:22,559 The assets after these eleven million Jews should be a larger sum. 563 00:44:22,584 --> 00:44:23,986 You have to assume that. 564 00:44:24,011 --> 00:44:28,991 So far, Aryanized assets have gone to the representatives of the four-year plan. 565 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:33,191 Shall I inform Reich Marshal Göring that it will continue like this? 566 00:44:33,216 --> 00:44:38,480 Wait now. The Eastern Ministry still has access to the assets of the Eastern Jews. 567 00:44:38,504 --> 00:44:41,483 Yes. Our Jews, our money. 568 00:44:41,507 --> 00:44:44,490 First, the money will finance the transports. 569 00:44:44,514 --> 00:44:49,473 Unfortunately, we have to pay the Reichsbahn for every Jew. 570 00:44:49,497 --> 00:44:54,476 Now we must not sell the skin before the bear is shot. 571 00:44:54,739 --> 00:44:57,160 Where do we get transport capacity from? 572 00:44:57,185 --> 00:45:03,825 Good question. The upgrade is already taking up a lot of the railway and roads. 573 00:45:03,850 --> 00:45:07,869 - Should we have eleven million Jews on the trail? - And don't forget the military. 574 00:45:08,269 --> 00:45:11,254 The troops must also be moved, as well as equipment. 575 00:45:11,505 --> 00:45:16,476 We already have supply problems without the Jewish transports. 576 00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:20,476 If the transports would impede the war effort, 577 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:24,472 then the party will advocate dealing with the Jewish question after the war. 578 00:45:24,497 --> 00:45:27,481 The fight against the Jews is part of the war effort. 579 00:45:27,505 --> 00:45:31,484 It is not a luxury we indulge in beyond the military endeavours. 580 00:45:31,884 --> 00:45:34,855 War and race are one and the same. 581 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,480 Where we fight against the Jews, we fight for the kingdom. 582 00:45:37,504 --> 00:45:44,477 - But we mustn't take on too much. - Exactly. First victory, and then the Jews. 583 00:45:44,501 --> 00:45:48,475 Gentlemen, while I respect your concerns 584 00:45:48,499 --> 00:45:54,475 is this the wrong time to chastise the Führer's visions like a potted plant. 585 00:45:54,499 --> 00:45:58,481 Only ten years ago the Jews lived everywhere among us, almost invisible, 586 00:45:58,505 --> 00:46:01,493 as if they were part of our community of people. 587 00:46:02,055 --> 00:46:06,027 And look where we are today, how far we've come. 588 00:46:06,052 --> 00:46:09,493 How the possibilities are constantly expanding. 589 00:46:09,517 --> 00:46:16,488 Thinking small now because of false fears would be a fatal mistake. 590 00:46:16,892 --> 00:46:21,863 Right now, we must have the courage to take big steps and have big visions. 591 00:46:21,888 --> 00:46:25,482 We are at a critical stage of the war. 592 00:46:25,506 --> 00:46:28,480 Russia in the east, the USA in the west and England at sea. 593 00:46:28,504 --> 00:46:31,493 The war is not an obstacle, but an opportunity. 594 00:46:31,517 --> 00:46:35,477 War opens up opportunities that do not exist in peacetime. 595 00:46:35,501 --> 00:46:41,481 Despite all the personal tragedies, war also provides an opportunity to create realities. 596 00:46:41,505 --> 00:46:47,499 Make a radical intervention in society and shape it with a big plan. 597 00:46:49,177 --> 00:46:55,190 When a farmer wants to cultivate his field, he must first drive the spade into the soil. 598 00:46:58,522 --> 00:47:02,499 Perhaps you will get the best answers to your questions about transport and personnel 599 00:47:02,523 --> 00:47:06,493 when Herr Eichmann informs us of the concrete process. 600 00:47:07,037 --> 00:47:09,365 As Jewish adviser at agency IV B4 601 00:47:09,390 --> 00:47:15,364 I am responsible for the registration and transportation of Jews to be deported. 602 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,487 First: 603 00:47:17,512 --> 00:47:23,489 The transport of Jews is to take place piecemeal, depending on the military developments. 604 00:47:23,661 --> 00:47:27,223 When the Jew is registered with the police, reported and separated 605 00:47:27,248 --> 00:47:29,243 he is detained at the reference time. 606 00:47:29,518 --> 00:47:34,490 He hands in his house key, signs over his assets to the kingdom 607 00:47:34,514 --> 00:47:39,483 and sets off with a small suitcase and a maximum of 50 reiksmark to the collection point, 608 00:47:39,507 --> 00:47:43,479 usually a distant siding, where he is placed on the wagon. 609 00:47:43,603 --> 00:47:46,592 Why write over the assets? According to the 11th Ordinance 610 00:47:46,617 --> 00:47:50,363 Jews lose both citizenship and property when they cross the border. 611 00:47:50,388 --> 00:47:56,071 - The border crossing is not entirely voluntary. - Bureaucratic formality seems reassuring. 612 00:47:56,096 --> 00:48:01,068 An orderly process, as the Jews board the trains with a sense of order. 613 00:48:01,232 --> 00:48:02,489 I understand. 614 00:48:02,513 --> 00:48:07,484 The transport is carried out after coordination with the Ministry of Transport, 615 00:48:07,508 --> 00:48:12,480 the transport management at the Ordnungspolizei and the Reichsbahn timetable. 616 00:48:12,832 --> 00:48:17,004 For reasons of efficiency and to give accompanying staff a better overview 617 00:48:17,029 --> 00:48:22,287 transport takes place primarily with freight wagons. But in the beginning and up to the border of the kingdom 618 00:48:22,312 --> 00:48:27,076 also used by passenger trains, for optical reasons. 619 00:48:27,458 --> 00:48:33,215 I guess we are informed about the numbers. We want to know exactly how many people are coming. 620 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:39,811 Of course. The transports are coordinated with the respective reception capacity 621 00:48:39,836 --> 00:48:41,826 at the target areas in the east, 622 00:48:42,107 --> 00:48:47,199 whether ghettos, labor camps, transit camps or direct action. 623 00:48:47,224 --> 00:48:51,481 - How large will our staffing be? - Personnel is not a problem. 624 00:48:51,505 --> 00:48:55,482 We manage the entire company with a handful of men. 625 00:48:55,724 --> 00:48:57,708 - Is it true? - Yes. 626 00:48:58,591 --> 00:49:02,293 A train with ten carriages can easily be guarded by a dozen men. 627 00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:06,505 And how do you avoid the bottlenecks in transport that we just pointed out? 628 00:49:06,677 --> 00:49:09,484 We don't expect any bottlenecks. 629 00:49:09,508 --> 00:49:14,855 We use goods wagons that previously transported Russian workers to the kingdom. 630 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,480 They would otherwise roll back empty. We are practically trading Jews for Russians. 631 00:49:20,504 --> 00:49:25,785 - So we optimize an existing process? - Yes. This way we avoid empty trains. 632 00:49:25,810 --> 00:49:28,185 - I like that. - I'll be damned. 633 00:49:28,494 --> 00:49:34,485 If I'd had a freight forwarder like Eichmann, I'd also have a villa like this now. 634 00:49:35,521 --> 00:49:39,490 - Then these questions are also answered. - In the protocol? 635 00:49:39,514 --> 00:49:42,502 Yes, Obergruppenführer. Allow me a comment: 636 00:49:42,526 --> 00:49:48,483 If through transport we lose Jewish professionals in the war industry, 637 00:49:48,507 --> 00:49:53,488 and in exchange receive untrained foreign labor, then there is no profit. 638 00:49:53,824 --> 00:49:58,806 It won't be like that. Those that we benefit from will remain for the time being. 639 00:49:59,017 --> 00:50:04,992 Overall, utility and workability will play a greater role. 640 00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:08,090 But if this is not the case, our patience has run out. 641 00:50:08,505 --> 00:50:12,484 This was done in the insane asylums and institutions for the disabled. 642 00:50:12,812 --> 00:50:16,404 - We can't afford surprise guests. - A moment. 643 00:50:16,429 --> 00:50:20,527 It was said that the Jews in the Final Solution would receive special treatment. 644 00:50:21,341 --> 00:50:23,795 And now you say they should work for us? 645 00:50:24,047 --> 00:50:28,020 We get to decide, if only for planning reasons. 646 00:50:28,045 --> 00:50:33,500 - Workers must be fed and housed. - Our plans include both things. 647 00:50:33,524 --> 00:50:40,491 Able-bodied Jews are put to suitable work in the East under suitable leadership. 648 00:50:40,515 --> 00:50:46,483 They will be led there in work columns to, for example, build roads. 649 00:50:46,507 --> 00:50:52,493 There they will work for us. Quarrying stone, draining swamps and so on. 650 00:50:52,899 --> 00:50:58,121 I recommend gender segregation so as not to exacerbate the Jewish problem. 651 00:50:58,146 --> 00:51:03,489 - That's exactly how it's planned. - Fine. There is plenty of work. 652 00:51:03,513 --> 00:51:07,487 In deed. The Germanization of our newly won territories in the East 653 00:51:07,511 --> 00:51:12,590 requires roads, factories, agriculture and housing for German settlers. 654 00:51:12,615 --> 00:51:17,491 The Reichsführer-SS is also planning major construction projects to secure the areas. 655 00:51:17,515 --> 00:51:23,500 - So we have to agree. - But hard manual labor for Jews? 656 00:51:23,524 --> 00:51:27,493 I know from experience that we shouldn't expect much here. 657 00:51:27,517 --> 00:51:32,037 A majority of Jews work in commerce or in private occupations. 658 00:51:32,507 --> 00:51:38,494 - Not directly with wall construction. - We will not spare them. Count on it. 659 00:51:38,518 --> 00:51:42,497 A large part will fall away due to natural causes. 660 00:51:42,521 --> 00:51:47,486 - It is carefully planned for. - And the ones that don't fall away? 661 00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:52,191 These accumulated residues will ultimately be properly processed. 662 00:51:52,216 --> 00:51:55,489 They are arguably the most resilient. 663 00:51:55,513 --> 00:51:58,507 "Properly handled" means...? 664 00:51:58,531 --> 00:52:03,496 Ask first best Jew. He knows the answer. 665 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:08,485 - Just so we're talking about the same thing. - I see no alternatives. 666 00:52:08,781 --> 00:52:11,777 The most resistant must receive special treatment. 667 00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:15,134 They can become the seed of a new Jewish structure. 668 00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:18,136 History should be a warning to us. 669 00:52:18,341 --> 00:52:22,858 The Romans expelled the Jews throughout the world, and saw the problem as solved. 670 00:52:22,883 --> 00:52:25,890 - Did they think, yes. - Now we have to pay the price. 671 00:52:26,445 --> 00:52:32,430 Anyone who wants a healthy public body must not shy away from eradicating harmful bacteria. 672 00:52:32,517 --> 00:52:38,495 The Jew is the eternal parasite, spreading under favorable conditions. 673 00:52:38,655 --> 00:52:42,643 A rotten mold that grows on the cultures of healthy people. 674 00:52:42,668 --> 00:52:48,640 It is a basic imperative for ethnic, national and social hygiene 675 00:52:48,665 --> 00:52:52,626 to completely eradicate the disease. 676 00:52:52,651 --> 00:52:55,670 We intend to be thorough and without exception. 677 00:52:56,508 --> 00:53:01,980 You have only spoken of able-bodied Jews. What is the plan for those who are not? 678 00:53:02,005 --> 00:53:06,434 Good question. Considering the conditions in our ghettos, it should be half. 679 00:53:06,459 --> 00:53:10,494 - If not more. - We are gradually getting rid of them. 680 00:53:10,518 --> 00:53:13,505 The necessary capacity is currently being built. 681 00:53:14,190 --> 00:53:20,160 Then the goal of the journey is the same for all Jews, able-bodied or not. 682 00:53:20,185 --> 00:53:21,507 Exactly. 683 00:53:22,272 --> 00:53:29,232 The solution to this problem will involve many personal tragedies, 684 00:53:29,623 --> 00:53:35,493 but it is inevitable. This is the right time for a final solution to the Jewish question. 685 00:53:35,518 --> 00:53:40,988 Later generations will lack the power of action and the awakened instinct. 686 00:53:41,013 --> 00:53:47,911 What for us is a burden becomes for our descendants an advantage and a happiness. 687 00:53:47,936 --> 00:53:51,910 - I already see a problem. - About what? 688 00:53:51,935 --> 00:53:57,493 Special treatment for non-working Jews means old, right? 689 00:53:57,517 --> 00:54:03,533 And precisely among them are the Jews who fought for Germany in the World War. 690 00:54:04,697 --> 00:54:10,379 - Side by side with those of us who were there. - I don't remember fighting with Jews. 691 00:54:10,404 --> 00:54:13,884 - No distinction was made then. - You probably didn't even notice it. 692 00:54:14,315 --> 00:54:19,293 Considering this problem, we have found a simple but effective method. 693 00:54:19,513 --> 00:54:20,533 Eichmann. 694 00:54:23,524 --> 00:54:26,855 Citizens over the age of 65, 695 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,730 Jews who were badly wounded during the war or those who were decorated 696 00:54:30,755 --> 00:54:34,492 are not evacuated directly, but transferred to ghettos for the elderly. 697 00:54:34,516 --> 00:54:39,487 With this solution, many interventions are eliminated in one fell swoop. 698 00:54:39,737 --> 00:54:43,721 And where will this ghetto for old people be located? Does it also fall on us? 699 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,341 Don't worry, you don't have to do it all alone. 700 00:54:46,511 --> 00:54:49,504 The intended is Theresienstadt in my area. 701 00:54:49,528 --> 00:54:53,490 I don't want to be blamed later for not contributing 702 00:54:53,514 --> 00:54:55,490 I would never suggest that. 703 00:54:55,514 --> 00:55:00,502 Eichmann last visited Theresienstadt yesterday. The rebuilding is already underway. 704 00:55:00,526 --> 00:55:05,496 Soon, several tens of thousands of Jews will be accommodated there. 705 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,495 As it is a former fortress, it is easy to achieve maximum security. 706 00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:15,507 The site consists of compact, well-built houses. 707 00:55:15,531 --> 00:55:20,496 It is quite possible that we can make it a show ghetto. 708 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:25,501 Incidentally, this solution can be very reassuring for the population. 709 00:55:26,032 --> 00:55:30,754 Magnificent! We give the Jewish controlled cruelty propaganda abroad 710 00:55:30,779 --> 00:55:34,500 a concrete counter-evidence: the invitation to Theresienstadt. 711 00:55:34,524 --> 00:55:38,495 Come and see how the Germans deal with the Jews. 712 00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:42,941 Won't it be expensive? Housing for tens of thousands of people? 713 00:55:42,966 --> 00:55:46,511 It is being investigated whether it is possible to charge the residents for the accommodation, 714 00:55:46,535 --> 00:55:51,496 as well as the Jews we had to emigrate themselves paid for the transport. 715 00:55:51,942 --> 00:55:54,113 God forbid we pay for the Jews. 716 00:55:54,138 --> 00:55:57,507 But then we still have tens of thousands of Jews left. 717 00:55:58,310 --> 00:56:01,495 Old Jews, Gruppenführer. Propagation is unlikely. 718 00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:04,701 The problem resolves itself biologically. 719 00:56:04,795 --> 00:56:09,506 The old in the ghetto are, of course, ultimately transferred to the Final Solution. 720 00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:11,505 Then I shouldn't have said anything. 721 00:56:11,895 --> 00:56:16,873 Then my people will make Theresienstadt a fantastic German colony. 722 00:56:17,005 --> 00:56:21,988 Then it was settled too. I suggest a short break. 723 00:56:22,013 --> 00:56:25,493 You have got an idea of ​​the basic features of our plan, 724 00:56:25,517 --> 00:56:29,506 but two points await us which are more ministerial matters. 725 00:56:30,029 --> 00:56:35,029 You can stock up in the salon, and we'll continue in ten minutes. 726 00:56:39,516 --> 00:56:41,528 There is much that awaits us. 727 00:57:02,132 --> 00:57:07,717 - All the Jews of Europe. Who expected that? - In accordance with the Führer's vision. 728 00:57:07,742 --> 00:57:13,719 You will be able to tell your grandchildren that you witnessed world history. 729 00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:16,713 Helped shape, I would say. 730 00:57:16,753 --> 00:57:19,731 Am I seeing right? Salmon slices? 731 00:57:19,974 --> 00:57:23,979 Availability at RSHA appears to be good. 732 00:57:31,098 --> 00:57:33,074 Very friendly. Thanks. 733 00:57:33,099 --> 00:57:37,498 - No one should complain about our working environment anymore. - No the opposite. 734 00:57:37,522 --> 00:57:42,497 - Just think about our last music night. - How could I forget? 735 00:57:42,521 --> 00:57:47,509 I would say we have a lot of fun. We laugh more than in other departments. 736 00:57:47,533 --> 00:57:50,507 I am glad to hear. 737 00:57:50,858 --> 00:57:55,841 It's starting to move. Heydrich has a firm grip on the helm. 738 00:57:56,123 --> 00:58:00,507 He makes it look like the chaos of the last few months 739 00:58:00,531 --> 00:58:03,060 was part of a great plan that is now being initiated. 740 00:58:03,085 --> 00:58:05,511 Don't you think so? 741 00:58:05,535 --> 00:58:10,503 I would say one third plan, two thirds chaos. 742 00:58:10,527 --> 00:58:14,512 And the chaos is now plainly declared to have been part of the plan. 743 00:58:14,536 --> 00:58:19,502 The pressure rises. Everyone wants to get rid of their Jews, but no one wants them. 744 00:58:19,776 --> 00:58:22,060 Nobody wants to be a Jew today either. 745 00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:25,841 - Gauleiter. - Dr. Freisler. 746 00:58:26,327 --> 00:58:29,301 You said earlier that you were at the Führer's house. 747 00:58:29,326 --> 00:58:32,507 In December, at a meeting with national and party district leaders. 748 00:58:32,531 --> 00:58:35,510 - Interesting? - What, exactly? 749 00:58:36,056 --> 00:58:41,207 It may sound incredible, but I have never met our Führer in person. 750 00:58:41,232 --> 00:58:43,498 - Thus. - Oh really? 751 00:58:43,522 --> 00:58:48,497 Do you think you could put in a good word for me, 752 00:58:48,522 --> 00:58:51,811 for a meeting with the Führer? Anywhere. 753 00:58:51,836 --> 00:58:54,834 Of course. I would love to. 754 00:58:58,009 --> 00:59:01,997 - Shall I bring you something? - No thanks. 755 00:59:06,530 --> 00:59:08,789 They seem to have swallowed the bitterest pills. 756 00:59:08,814 --> 00:59:12,772 That we decide on the timing and extent of the evacuations. 757 00:59:12,797 --> 00:59:16,787 We're not done yet. Don't underestimate Dr. Stuckart. 758 00:59:17,279 --> 00:59:20,013 We haven't gotten to his favorite subject. 759 00:59:30,162 --> 00:59:35,309 - I must admit that you surprised me. - Then my visit here is already worthwhile. 760 00:59:35,334 --> 00:59:39,700 You are told that you will get millions of new Jews and keep the mask. 761 00:59:39,725 --> 00:59:44,699 It was an agreement. You approve of his leadership, 762 00:59:44,724 --> 00:59:49,718 and he gives you the promise to begin the final solution at your doorstep. 763 00:59:50,538 --> 00:59:54,508 - I hope Heydrich keeps it. - What do you mean? 764 00:59:54,532 --> 00:59:57,349 - It is an honor that it happens with us. - I know. 765 00:59:57,374 --> 01:00:02,339 The Jewish question is the Führer's pet child. Everyone wants to keep it. 766 01:00:02,529 --> 01:00:07,513 I know Frank. He will eat you if you return to Kraków without promises. 767 01:00:08,177 --> 01:00:12,145 Governor-General Frank is happy to receive ten thousand Jews 768 01:00:12,185 --> 01:00:14,434 if we get rid of twenty thousand in the same breath. 769 01:00:14,459 --> 01:00:18,028 - A deep breath. - We were promised large-scale measures. 770 01:00:18,053 --> 01:00:21,045 I heard that. 771 01:00:26,940 --> 01:00:29,942 I am not authorized to speak about it. 772 01:01:01,062 --> 01:01:03,059 Peacefully. 773 01:01:04,078 --> 01:01:06,077 Very. 774 01:01:08,185 --> 01:01:11,507 Heinz Rühmann lives here somewhere. 775 01:01:11,531 --> 01:01:13,535 Speer too. 776 01:01:15,033 --> 01:01:19,030 Down there is Max Liebermann's villa. 777 01:01:20,524 --> 01:01:24,528 - The painter. - I know. Jewish Impressionist. 778 01:01:26,524 --> 01:01:29,516 - You are an educated man. - And it surprises you. 779 01:01:30,148 --> 01:01:34,115 - Considering my duties in the East. - You often hear that. 780 01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:37,135 Occasionally. 781 01:01:38,545 --> 01:01:44,500 Could you have dreamed it? That you would suddenly change your desk in Berlin 782 01:01:44,524 --> 01:01:47,508 against service in Poland? 783 01:01:48,008 --> 01:01:53,020 You get to experience what is decided behind the desk. What is wrong with that? 784 01:01:55,535 --> 01:01:58,536 What is happening in the east... 785 01:02:00,527 --> 01:02:05,834 One hears that it is degenerating. Brutality. Arquebusing pits. 786 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,509 I see it as a craft. You learn and then you can. 787 01:02:10,533 --> 01:02:12,516 Some better, others worse. 788 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,940 How are your men doing? 789 01:02:15,965 --> 01:02:20,955 Every day these promotions. Entire villages. 790 01:02:23,112 --> 01:02:26,090 We emphasize the necessity of the mission. 791 01:02:26,115 --> 01:02:30,209 The rest is done through habit and an extra ration of brandy. 792 01:02:30,427 --> 01:02:33,521 The brandy blurs the impressions from the day. 793 01:02:34,263 --> 01:02:38,759 You must intervene only when they bellow during work. They shoot wrong. 794 01:02:38,784 --> 01:02:41,770 Then the half-dead fight their way out of the pits during the night, 795 01:02:42,122 --> 01:02:46,104 and you have to shoot them again the next morning. 796 01:02:47,016 --> 01:02:51,992 - I didn't mean to offend you. - You were in the trenches yourself, weren't you? 797 01:02:52,017 --> 01:02:56,991 We shot at soldiers, not at women and children. 798 01:02:57,016 --> 01:02:59,988 I have a husband who prefers to shoot children, 799 01:03:00,013 --> 01:03:03,993 since they wouldn't survive without their parents anyway. 800 01:03:04,018 --> 01:03:07,990 He thinks he is doing the children a favor. 801 01:03:08,015 --> 01:03:11,015 It makes sense, doesn't it? 802 01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:28,076 The conference continues. 803 01:03:44,526 --> 01:03:49,505 I hope you feel empowered. We now come to a central question, 804 01:03:49,529 --> 01:03:53,508 namely the determination of which groups are suitable for evacuation. 805 01:03:53,532 --> 01:03:57,509 Which ones are current for our transports and which are not? 806 01:03:57,533 --> 01:04:00,507 Clarification is needed here regarding Jews living abroad, 807 01:04:00,531 --> 01:04:02,762 Jews of mixed race and intermarriage. 808 01:04:02,787 --> 01:04:04,521 I cannot agree. 809 01:04:04,545 --> 01:04:09,246 Jews of mixed race and intermarriage are regulated by our Jewish laws. 810 01:04:09,271 --> 01:04:15,508 - Our perceptions differ. - But now I'm talking about laws. 811 01:04:15,532 --> 01:04:18,510 For the sake of simplicity, we start with Jews abroad. 812 01:04:18,534 --> 01:04:23,541 Under Secretary of State Luther, please brief us. 813 01:04:24,547 --> 01:04:26,516 Foreign Jews. 814 01:04:26,540 --> 01:04:31,523 About 40,000 Jews with foreign passports are on German soil. 815 01:04:31,547 --> 01:04:37,513 - Oh dear! What are some? - They must know that they are not welcome. 816 01:04:37,537 --> 01:04:42,507 It's mainly about Hungarian, Czech and maybe Slovak Jews, isn't it? 817 01:04:42,531 --> 01:04:47,507 That's right. We got most of them at the union with Austria. 818 01:04:47,701 --> 01:04:49,871 Tell us we can change that! 819 01:04:49,896 --> 01:04:53,918 We can, at least when it comes to citizens of enemy countries. 820 01:04:53,943 --> 01:04:57,451 But for Jews from friendly countries or countries under our influence 821 01:04:57,484 --> 01:05:02,529 do we see it as polite to at least ask the governments 822 01:05:02,955 --> 01:05:06,504 if we may include their Jewish citizens in our companies. 823 01:05:06,529 --> 01:05:09,513 Who would turn down an offer like that? 824 01:05:09,537 --> 01:05:14,941 It's like asking a neighbor if you can shovel his manure too. 825 01:05:14,966 --> 01:05:20,145 Slovakia and Croatia have agreed. Romania and Bulgaria are well on their way. 826 01:05:20,170 --> 01:05:23,507 Do they give us free access to their citizens? 827 01:05:23,531 --> 01:05:26,357 They have no objections. Only Hungary opposes it, 828 01:05:26,382 --> 01:05:31,834 and Slovakia claims the assets of the Jews. 829 01:05:31,888 --> 01:05:34,271 - Why doesn't it surprise me? - Money doesn't smell. 830 01:05:34,296 --> 01:05:39,270 - Maybe we can do them that service. - The office of the four-year plan? 831 01:05:39,548 --> 01:05:44,521 If it speeds up deportation, we must not be petty. 832 01:05:44,545 --> 01:05:49,511 - It is likely not large sums. - Thank you for your courtesy. 833 01:05:49,535 --> 01:05:54,516 You heard. Apart from the Hungarians, we can get rid of all foreign Jews. 834 01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:59,510 - How is the situation in France? - Herr Eichmann apparently knows something new here. 835 01:05:59,534 --> 01:06:03,238 The Wehrmacht has accepted the necessity of our measures of force. 836 01:06:03,263 --> 01:06:09,509 Jews who fled the kingdom have been interned, and transports will soon begin. 837 01:06:09,533 --> 01:06:11,514 With the French Jews we should wait a little. 838 01:06:11,538 --> 01:06:14,522 So, Eichmann now works at the Foreign Ministry? 839 01:06:14,546 --> 01:06:17,510 It is called interministerial cooperation. 840 01:06:17,534 --> 01:06:20,508 Let's stick to the topic. Belgium? Holland? 841 01:06:20,532 --> 01:06:24,512 Throughout Western and Southeastern Europe, we can act freely. 842 01:06:24,536 --> 01:06:28,508 - Fine. We will do what is necessary. - It's been noted. 843 01:06:28,532 --> 01:06:33,509 But I see difficulties in the north. Denmark, Norway and Finland. 844 01:06:33,533 --> 01:06:35,106 Why right there? 845 01:06:35,131 --> 01:06:41,116 For some reason, it is difficult to convince the population of the danger of the Jews. 846 01:06:42,007 --> 01:06:43,007 What do you suggest? 847 01:06:43,226 --> 01:06:46,232 Ignore for now. The numbers are dropping. 848 01:06:46,257 --> 01:06:48,250 We don't usually put things off, 849 01:06:49,046 --> 01:06:54,053 but as long as we are busy with Jews from other countries, it will be fine. 850 01:06:54,531 --> 01:06:56,115 What shall we do with Hungary? 851 01:06:56,286 --> 01:07:02,282 It is time to force on the government one of our chosen advisers on Jewish matters. 852 01:07:03,535 --> 01:07:08,526 Perhaps one of your staff, Obersturmbannführer? Can you spare someone? 853 01:07:08,974 --> 01:07:11,134 Maybe I can help? 854 01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:17,117 The Central Bureau of Race and Settlement may send an assistant to the police attache there. 855 01:07:17,142 --> 01:07:18,398 Sure, why not? So we do. 856 01:07:18,532 --> 01:07:23,529 Excuse. Should our foreign policy now be shaped by Herr Hofmann's staff? 857 01:07:23,553 --> 01:07:28,514 Don't get excited. We are talking about an advisor, not a new ambassador. 858 01:07:28,538 --> 01:07:30,529 An adviser with no diplomatic experience. 859 01:07:30,553 --> 01:07:36,512 But he has experience with Jewish affairs. Surely that must also count? 860 01:07:36,536 --> 01:07:41,526 I am irritated by the liberality with which some agencies sacrifice their expertise. 861 01:07:41,550 --> 01:07:46,520 It's no big deal to me. The main thing is that it gets decided. 862 01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:48,189 It would be nice if something went easily. 863 01:07:48,214 --> 01:07:51,514 I don't call the gardener when I need a roofer. 864 01:07:51,538 --> 01:07:56,949 I refuse that. We have a lot of people with international experience. 865 01:07:56,974 --> 01:08:00,531 So you see it. I do not consider all equally suitable. 866 01:08:00,555 --> 01:08:05,519 If you're going to talk about responsibilities, please stick to yours. 867 01:08:05,784 --> 01:08:08,771 Let Undersecretary Luther do his thing. 868 01:08:08,982 --> 01:08:12,957 We do as we are told. Are the Jews abroad finished? 869 01:08:12,982 --> 01:08:18,996 It can be relatively easy to present a Jew-free Serbia to the Führer. 870 01:08:19,021 --> 01:08:22,918 - Interesting. Continue. - Maybe later in a smaller group? 871 01:08:22,943 --> 01:08:26,946 Better now in a smaller group. Müller. Eichmann. 872 01:08:41,539 --> 01:08:45,531 - How many are we talking about? - 6,000-8,000. Only women and children. 873 01:08:45,555 --> 01:08:49,527 - Why no male Jews? - Already shot as a hostage. 874 01:08:49,551 --> 01:08:54,528 - A hundred dead for one dead German. - I remember. An effective measure, Eichmann. 875 01:08:54,552 --> 01:08:57,516 Thank you, Obergruppenführer. 876 01:08:57,540 --> 01:08:59,820 - Serbian government? - We don't have to think about it. 877 01:09:00,535 --> 01:09:02,550 Who do we give the command to? 878 01:09:03,553 --> 01:09:07,558 Maybe Schäfer. He who blew up the radio mast in Gliwice. 879 01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:12,530 - Yes, a good fellow. - He gets the gas wagons going to Riga. 880 01:09:12,554 --> 01:09:17,527 - Mr. Lange will not like that. - Lange can improvise. We do so. 881 01:09:17,551 --> 01:09:20,551 - Understood. - I make sure it happens. 882 01:09:31,164 --> 01:09:34,515 We have one last item left on the agenda: 883 01:09:34,540 --> 01:09:37,517 The treatment of mixed race Jews and intermarriage. 884 01:09:37,541 --> 01:09:43,279 Here, Dr. Stuckart, your opinion is not only requested, but necessary. 885 01:09:43,757 --> 01:09:47,974 As said, the processing is best regulated by the applicable laws. 886 01:09:47,999 --> 01:09:50,865 Of course. After all, it's your laws. 887 01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:54,357 They will form the basis of our conversation. 888 01:09:54,382 --> 01:09:59,514 This is binding legislation, not a basis for discussion. 889 01:09:59,538 --> 01:10:02,959 Even laws become outdated and need to be re-evaluated. 890 01:10:02,984 --> 01:10:05,685 Like re-wallpapering when you get tired of the color? 891 01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:11,518 We should recognize that today the people and the race must be categories in our action. 892 01:10:11,666 --> 01:10:16,037 The people need a reliable legal system, which I defend. 893 01:10:16,062 --> 01:10:19,526 Right is what is useful to people. 894 01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:23,522 What does it mean if it contradicts the common sense of the people? 895 01:10:23,748 --> 01:10:27,851 Exactly. Let's not make things more complicated than they already are. 896 01:10:27,876 --> 01:10:32,865 Sure, but not easier either. Where do you see a need for action? 897 01:10:32,890 --> 01:10:38,521 According to the Nuremberg Laws, half-Jews were exempted from evacuation and special treatment. 898 01:10:38,833 --> 01:10:40,821 Will there be a change to that? 899 01:10:40,898 --> 01:10:45,521 There have been discussions between us, the party and individual ministries. 900 01:10:45,545 --> 01:10:49,261 I have asked the party office to summarize these conversations. 901 01:10:49,285 --> 01:10:50,515 Dr. Klopfer. 902 01:10:50,539 --> 01:10:53,529 The party's line is clear. 903 01:10:53,553 --> 01:10:59,531 Jews, half-Jews and quarter-Jews are ultimately seen as Jews. 904 01:10:59,555 --> 01:11:02,709 They cannot be tolerated in the commonwealth. 905 01:11:02,734 --> 01:11:08,304 The distinction between good and bad Jews, full- and half-Jews, 906 01:11:08,617 --> 01:11:10,037 no longer serves any purpose. 907 01:11:10,062 --> 01:11:13,521 I agree, and then I speak for the entire SS, 908 01:11:13,545 --> 01:11:16,518 for public hygiene and consolidation of the race's territory. 909 01:11:16,542 --> 01:11:19,529 We know that. And what do you think? 910 01:11:19,553 --> 01:11:23,532 A working document has been prepared. I would like to read it. 911 01:11:23,556 --> 01:11:24,692 You are welcome: 912 01:11:24,717 --> 01:11:27,532 First: First degree mixed race Jews 913 01:11:27,556 --> 01:11:31,115 equated with Jews with respect to the Final Solution. 914 01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:33,826 - Rejected. - Listen first, for God's sake! 915 01:11:33,851 --> 01:11:36,517 It already violates existing laws. 916 01:11:36,541 --> 01:11:39,974 They are not equated with Jews. They have German blood. 917 01:11:39,999 --> 01:11:43,952 - But the aim is to change that. - It's not that simple. 918 01:11:43,977 --> 01:11:47,961 We cannot sit here and decide that half-Jews should have the yellow star, 919 01:11:48,140 --> 01:11:52,123 that they may not walk in German forests or have a canary. 920 01:11:52,148 --> 01:11:57,485 - And certainly not evacuated to the East. - A working document, as I said. 921 01:11:57,510 --> 01:12:01,510 - And there are exceptions in the draft. - Right. 922 01:12:03,547 --> 01:12:08,099 Exceptions are mixed race Jews of the first degree married to German blood. 923 01:12:08,124 --> 01:12:12,187 - I assume that. - As long as they have children, that is, quarter Jews. 924 01:12:12,212 --> 01:12:14,192 So generous. 925 01:12:14,545 --> 01:12:18,081 In other ways, our proposal meets your requirements. 926 01:12:18,106 --> 01:12:25,091 Second-degree mixed-race Jews, quarter Jews, are counted as having German blood. 927 01:12:25,544 --> 01:12:28,529 Wait a minute... Why? 928 01:12:28,919 --> 01:12:33,891 Unless they are the children of two Jews of mixed race, 929 01:12:33,939 --> 01:12:36,203 has an unfavorably Jewish appearance 930 01:12:36,228 --> 01:12:40,524 or prove by their behavior that they should be considered Jews. 931 01:12:40,548 --> 01:12:44,821 - I'm starting to lose track. - I see the proposal as fully feasible. 932 01:12:44,846 --> 01:12:47,818 May I ask for your spontaneous opinion? 933 01:12:47,843 --> 01:12:51,536 From a foreign policy point of view, it does not matter whether they stay or leave. 934 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:55,289 The Marshal certainly has no objections, 935 01:12:55,314 --> 01:12:59,209 as long as we don't lose professionals in the war industry. 936 01:12:59,234 --> 01:13:03,701 - That must be taken into account. - I also see a half-Jew as a Jew. 937 01:13:03,726 --> 01:13:08,146 It is possible, legally speaking, to expand the definition of a Jew, 938 01:13:08,171 --> 01:13:13,538 but why worry about Jewish laws when there will soon be no Jews? 939 01:13:13,562 --> 01:13:17,085 Interesting stance from the Ministry of Justice. 940 01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:21,079 In the East, we still cannot make such fine distinctions. 941 01:13:21,242 --> 01:13:25,525 We often don't even see if someone is Jewish, let alone half- or quarter-Jewish. 942 01:13:26,031 --> 01:13:30,020 But now we are the German Reich, and here the law still applies. 943 01:13:30,139 --> 01:13:35,118 You have to admit that the Ministry of the Interior is clearly isolated on the matter. 944 01:13:35,517 --> 01:13:38,516 What do you hope to achieve with the changes? 945 01:13:38,541 --> 01:13:42,183 Simplification, as always. Clear, quick decisions. 946 01:13:42,208 --> 01:13:47,212 You accomplish the exact opposite. Returning to individual trial… 947 01:13:47,542 --> 01:13:50,531 We are talking about tens of thousands of cases. 948 01:13:50,555 --> 01:13:55,528 - How many half-Jews are there in the kingdom? - Around 70,000. 949 01:13:55,825 --> 01:14:00,838 Then add quarters, and our officials have been busy for years. 950 01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:04,521 If you had written better laws, we would have escaped the problem. 951 01:14:04,545 --> 01:14:07,534 I didn't write them myself, and that's not true anyway. 952 01:14:07,558 --> 01:14:11,534 A half-Jew who behaves like a Jew, that is, follows the Mosaic faith 953 01:14:11,916 --> 01:14:15,898 or is married to a non-Jewish person, is treated as a non-Jewish person according to existing law. 954 01:14:16,056 --> 01:14:18,027 Nothing prevents evacuation. 955 01:14:18,242 --> 01:14:22,521 - How many of these are there in the kingdom? - About 8,000. 956 01:14:22,545 --> 01:14:25,898 Eight trains. Then we have over 60,000 left. 957 01:14:26,124 --> 01:14:29,531 The majority of these half-Jews see themselves as part of German society. 958 01:14:29,555 --> 01:14:33,084 - They renounce the faith even internally. - To protect yourself. 959 01:14:33,109 --> 01:14:36,542 Thousands of them have proven themselves in our armed forces. 960 01:14:37,215 --> 01:14:39,185 - How many? - Around 10,000. 961 01:14:39,210 --> 01:14:41,904 I still want to get rid of another 60,000. 962 01:14:41,929 --> 01:14:47,532 Don't forget the SS comrades who were found to have Jewish blood during racial testing. 963 01:14:47,823 --> 01:14:51,795 - Tragic cases, indeed. - But not a significant number. 964 01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:55,524 But in the mixed races the German blood predominates. 965 01:14:55,548 --> 01:14:58,536 Should they be included in the final solution? 966 01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:03,539 - We can make exceptions in special cases. - Yes, but let's think further. 967 01:15:04,304 --> 01:15:09,308 According to you, a half-Jew who has children with a German wife should not be evacuated. 968 01:15:09,333 --> 01:15:11,525 - Good God! - I do not follow. 969 01:15:11,549 --> 01:15:16,544 A half-Jew with a German wife and children? True, he is not evacuated. 970 01:15:16,568 --> 01:15:22,529 Now let's imagine that this half-Jew has a brother, who is of course also half-Jew, 971 01:15:22,724 --> 01:15:27,279 but he is not married and has no children. Should he be evacuated according to your suggestion? 972 01:15:27,304 --> 01:15:29,694 - Yes. - How do you explain it to the family? 973 01:15:29,719 --> 01:15:33,678 To the Aryan sister-in-law? The Aryan relatives? 974 01:15:33,703 --> 01:15:37,539 - Everything can be dramatized. - No, I'm just thinking it through. 975 01:15:37,776 --> 01:15:40,748 We cannot treat quarter-Jews as of German blood 976 01:15:40,773 --> 01:15:45,525 but evacuate their half-Jewish family to the East. 977 01:15:45,549 --> 01:15:48,751 How do you explain to the quarterback on leave from the front 978 01:15:48,776 --> 01:15:53,748 that his half-Jewish family on the platform opposite being sent east in a cattle car? 979 01:15:53,773 --> 01:15:56,536 All are individual cases. 980 01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,523 I have to agree with Dr. Stuckart. 981 01:16:00,547 --> 01:16:05,359 Even the Führer believes that it is of the utmost importance not to worry the population. 982 01:16:05,384 --> 01:16:10,928 I want to remind you about the euthanasia program. It caused a stir. 983 01:16:10,953 --> 01:16:15,334 - Dr. Stuckart complicates matters. - It's complicated. 984 01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:20,525 The Führer knows this and has therefore given no other instructions on the matter. 985 01:16:20,549 --> 01:16:23,570 But maybe you are smarter than the Führer on this point? 986 01:16:24,288 --> 01:16:30,268 The Führer wants the final solution. Everything Jewish must be driven out of the body of the people. 987 01:16:30,293 --> 01:16:33,269 Your proposal creates intolerable situations. 988 01:16:33,551 --> 01:16:37,542 In extreme cases, it leads to chaos, and out of chaos grows resistance. 989 01:16:38,265 --> 01:16:40,532 We don't want mixed race Jews as enemies. 990 01:16:40,556 --> 01:16:45,398 The half-Jew is a more dangerous enemy, with his high-value Germanic heritage. 991 01:16:45,537 --> 01:16:48,537 High-ranking half-Jews? 992 01:16:50,027 --> 01:16:53,017 - Do you also have a constructive suggestion? - Very good question. 993 01:16:53,611 --> 01:16:57,594 My suggestion is to do nothing. 994 01:17:09,062 --> 01:17:12,045 We should do nothing at all. 995 01:17:12,069 --> 01:17:17,045 - You've got to be kidding. - Half-Jews can only marry Germans. 996 01:17:17,069 --> 01:17:21,043 Purely biologically, the Jewish part decreases with each generation. 997 01:17:21,067 --> 01:17:26,041 - Children of half-Jews are already quarter-Jews. - But then we won't be finished for a hundred years. 998 01:17:26,065 --> 01:17:29,043 Half Jew. Quarter seventh. 999 01:17:29,067 --> 01:17:33,523 If I don't like the nose, it's Jewish enough. 1000 01:17:33,548 --> 01:17:35,351 A bit coarse, isn't it? 1001 01:17:35,789 --> 01:17:39,774 In any case, no one can understand that I like Jews. 1002 01:17:39,822 --> 01:17:42,837 I know you are accomplishing a lot in the East. 1003 01:17:43,219 --> 01:17:49,205 But don't think I'm doing less here just because I'm not wading in Jewish blood. 1004 01:17:49,589 --> 01:17:54,575 Without us and our laws, the German Reich would not be where it is today. 1005 01:17:54,834 --> 01:17:58,807 No one doubts your commitment, Dr. Stuckart. 1006 01:17:58,831 --> 01:18:03,421 That said, we try to simplify things as much as possible. 1007 01:18:03,446 --> 01:18:06,452 In that case, I suggest sterilization. 1008 01:18:09,826 --> 01:18:14,794 Sterilization? How should I understand it? 1009 01:18:14,818 --> 01:18:18,609 Forced sterilization of all mixed-race Jews, without exception. 1010 01:18:18,634 --> 01:18:23,632 Cheaper than deportation and absolutely sufficient from a racial hygiene point of view. 1011 01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:30,531 An interesting suggestion, Dr. Stuckart. 1012 01:18:30,822 --> 01:18:35,802 All biologically dangerous elements would be prevented from procreating. 1013 01:18:35,826 --> 01:18:38,814 The risk of breed deterioration is eliminated. 1014 01:18:38,838 --> 01:18:42,793 Is it technically feasible on such a large scale? 1015 01:18:42,817 --> 01:18:48,802 It needs to be evaluated. Faced with the choice to be evacuated or sterilized 1016 01:18:48,826 --> 01:18:52,804 a Jew of mixed race will undoubtedly prefer sterilization. 1017 01:18:53,194 --> 01:18:58,205 Their blood will die out, but we keep them as labor. 1018 01:18:58,456 --> 01:19:00,453 A tailor-made solution. 1019 01:19:01,110 --> 01:19:04,460 Forced divorces would also be conceivable. 1020 01:19:04,485 --> 01:19:07,495 You wanted to simplify things. There you have it. 1021 01:19:08,830 --> 01:19:13,810 Here are some more suggestions regarding intermarriage, 1022 01:19:13,834 --> 01:19:16,808 that is, between German-blooded and all-Jews. 1023 01:19:16,832 --> 01:19:19,818 We're taking a break. 1024 01:19:21,575 --> 01:19:23,580 Dr. Stuckart. 1025 01:19:48,584 --> 01:19:52,560 In the lounge there is freshly brewed coffee, desserts and cognac. 1026 01:19:52,585 --> 01:19:55,586 We'll continue in a few minutes. 1027 01:20:03,651 --> 01:20:06,660 The Working Paper on Mixed Race Jews. Add it to the record. 1028 01:20:38,565 --> 01:20:43,311 You have good arguments and know how to present them. 1029 01:20:43,336 --> 01:20:45,816 Yet you insist on the matter. 1030 01:20:46,231 --> 01:20:51,210 Sometimes, if I'm being honest... 1031 01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:58,640 Sometimes I wonder if you oppose our proposals because of your good arguments 1032 01:20:59,554 --> 01:21:02,804 or because it is precisely your laws that we are discussing here. 1033 01:21:02,828 --> 01:21:07,826 I wish you didn't see us lawyers just as brake pads on your train. 1034 01:21:09,421 --> 01:21:12,818 - My authority is full of lawyers. - Of a different kind. 1035 01:21:12,842 --> 01:21:15,814 Like Dr. Schöngarth and Dr. Lange. 1036 01:21:15,838 --> 01:21:19,687 I value dedication and willingness to trade. 1037 01:21:19,712 --> 01:21:24,699 I have less use for lawyers who complicate and sow doubt. 1038 01:21:25,058 --> 01:21:29,659 Thinking is good, but acting is better. 1039 01:21:29,684 --> 01:21:35,672 Action without thought accomplishes nothing. Then you throw the baby out with the bathwater. 1040 01:21:39,313 --> 01:21:41,319 Forced sterilization? 1041 01:21:43,661 --> 01:21:49,643 Do you mean it? Or are you suggesting it because it takes months to evaluate? 1042 01:21:49,832 --> 01:21:53,811 Like you, I see myself as devoted to the Führer's cause. 1043 01:21:53,835 --> 01:21:56,593 I am not speaking against your final solution, 1044 01:21:56,618 --> 01:22:00,335 but only for an orderly deprivation of rights. 1045 01:22:00,528 --> 01:22:05,497 I have the greatest respect for what you have done at the National Security Board. 1046 01:22:05,522 --> 01:22:08,507 An ideologically stable, combative administration 1047 01:22:08,835 --> 01:22:14,803 prepared for radical intervention. But don't forget that all of Germany is not like that. 1048 01:22:14,827 --> 01:22:19,802 People need rules and norms, clarity and orientation. 1049 01:22:19,826 --> 01:22:22,808 The knowledge that everything has its order. 1050 01:22:22,832 --> 01:22:27,484 Thanks so much. We will investigate the matter. 1051 01:22:27,820 --> 01:22:29,822 Thanks. 1052 01:22:36,841 --> 01:22:42,806 Apart from that, of course you are right. I have written a huge set of laws. 1053 01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:46,818 If you take it away from me, I might as well go to the office without pants. 1054 01:22:46,842 --> 01:22:50,824 Of course, we must prevent that at all costs. 1055 01:22:53,234 --> 01:22:55,451 Has your wife made herself at home? 1056 01:22:55,476 --> 01:22:59,460 Last time I got the impression that she didn't like Prague. 1057 01:22:59,836 --> 01:23:03,812 It was over a long time ago. The other day she said: 1058 01:23:03,836 --> 01:23:06,811 "I am a princess who lives in a castle." 1059 01:23:06,835 --> 01:23:09,823 I am glad to hear. 1060 01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,840 - And you? When will the increase come? - There are a few weeks left. 1061 01:23:19,841 --> 01:23:24,835 - Come visit us. - As soon as it can be arranged. 1062 01:23:25,843 --> 01:23:30,832 Are you planning to move your family here after the war? The house suits you. 1063 01:23:33,833 --> 01:23:37,809 - Possibly. - Then we would become neighbors. 1064 01:23:37,833 --> 01:23:41,829 Our children can swim together in the Wannsee. 1065 01:23:45,453 --> 01:23:47,425 A beautiful thought. 1066 01:23:47,450 --> 01:23:52,419 The Reichsführer-SS and the Governor General had a clear agreement. 1067 01:23:52,444 --> 01:23:55,695 It is my right to insist that it be observed. 1068 01:23:56,015 --> 01:23:59,687 You heard Obergruppenführer Heydrich. I can't do more. 1069 01:23:59,712 --> 01:24:05,698 We have no interest in being responsible for the misery of another million Jews. 1070 01:24:06,085 --> 01:24:08,867 I can't come up with it. 1071 01:24:18,403 --> 01:24:21,392 I'm going to have a cup of coffee. Do you also want? 1072 01:24:21,946 --> 01:24:24,951 I thought we were going to work here. 1073 01:24:40,176 --> 01:24:43,159 Gentlemen, we proceed. 1074 01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:48,436 Let's stay here. We'll be done soon. We can move on to the informal. 1075 01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:50,824 - My documents, please. - If it is okay. 1076 01:24:50,848 --> 01:24:54,820 Dr. Stuckart and I had a fruitful exchange. 1077 01:24:54,844 --> 01:24:57,809 Do you have any questions? 1078 01:24:57,833 --> 01:25:03,810 I feel I have to ask again about the progress of the final solution, 1079 01:25:04,078 --> 01:25:07,810 and I must repeat how necessary it is 1080 01:25:07,834 --> 01:25:12,037 to initiate the relief measures with us in the General Government. 1081 01:25:12,062 --> 01:25:14,531 Why not with us? 1082 01:25:14,556 --> 01:25:19,818 We cannot stand for the largest space and become the kingdom's garbage dump, 1083 01:25:19,842 --> 01:25:25,007 where everyone sends their Jews, gypsies and misfits, 1084 01:25:25,678 --> 01:25:29,809 while we are left with our own Jews. Diseases, black trade, crime... 1085 01:25:29,842 --> 01:25:35,816 Sure, Dr. Bühler. So that you don't stir things up again: Polish Jews first. 1086 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,468 - Excuse me? - You have my promise. 1087 01:25:38,493 --> 01:25:43,478 We start in the General Government. Say hello to Governor General Frank. 1088 01:25:43,836 --> 01:25:48,819 May I take it that this agreement is on the record? 1089 01:25:48,843 --> 01:25:51,335 - Obersturmbannführer? - It is recorded. 1090 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:56,824 May I assume that the Governor-General will not get in the way of our plans any more? 1091 01:25:56,848 --> 01:25:59,826 That we lead the final solution? 1092 01:26:00,334 --> 01:26:03,585 - No more questions. - Thankfully. 1093 01:26:05,265 --> 01:26:10,801 But I have a question. I don't want to spoil the cheerful mood, 1094 01:26:10,826 --> 01:26:15,817 but since the beginning of the meeting I have asked myself a fundamental question. 1095 01:26:15,841 --> 01:26:18,819 - Just ask. - Thanks. 1096 01:26:18,843 --> 01:26:24,808 You said a lot about the final solution, but not much about concrete solutions. 1097 01:26:24,832 --> 01:26:27,833 I guess the RSHA know what they are doing. 1098 01:26:28,007 --> 01:26:34,815 I'm just wondering if we're talking about a statement of intent or realistic goals. 1099 01:26:34,839 --> 01:26:37,850 I assure you that we are not building castles in the air. 1100 01:26:38,335 --> 01:26:39,335 If you will allow me... 1101 01:26:39,848 --> 01:26:45,809 I have made calculations based on reports from the response teams. 1102 01:26:45,833 --> 01:26:50,820 Take, for example, the special treatment of Ukrainian Jews in late September, 1103 01:26:50,844 --> 01:26:54,499 conducted by Task Force C under Obergruppenführer Jeckeln. 1104 01:26:54,524 --> 01:26:59,514 - One of our best. - I mean the measures against the Jews in Kiev. 1105 01:27:00,212 --> 01:27:05,803 The Jewish population cooperated thanks to appeasement measures, 1106 01:27:05,828 --> 01:27:09,811 and a natural gully could be used for disposal. 1107 01:27:09,835 --> 01:27:12,271 So there was no need to dig pits. 1108 01:27:12,296 --> 01:27:14,812 I heard about it, Babij Jar Ravine. 1109 01:27:14,836 --> 01:27:18,825 - 6th Army participated, under von Reichenau. - May he rest in peace. 1110 01:27:18,849 --> 01:27:25,815 That's what I want to get to. You could say it was ideal conditions. 1111 01:27:25,839 --> 01:27:31,821 Nevertheless, the special treatment took 33,771 Jews 1112 01:27:31,845 --> 01:27:34,812 36 hours to complete. 1113 01:27:34,836 --> 01:27:37,823 A thousand an hour. What is wrong with that? 1114 01:27:37,847 --> 01:27:40,823 938 to be exact. 1115 01:27:40,847 --> 01:27:46,822 If one then counts on Obersturmbannführer Eichmann's figure of eleven million, 1116 01:27:46,846 --> 01:27:51,820 it will be 11,720 hours, 1117 01:27:51,844 --> 01:27:54,829 or 488 days. 1118 01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,823 Where do you want to go? 1119 01:27:58,064 --> 01:28:04,222 Our men would have to do what was done in Babij Jar for 488 days, 1120 01:28:04,247 --> 01:28:07,249 day and night without interruption. 1121 01:28:07,407 --> 01:28:10,393 Shoot Jews for 488 days. 1122 01:28:10,418 --> 01:28:14,828 Old, women and children. 938 per hour. 1123 01:28:14,852 --> 01:28:18,820 Please, your calculation is quite hypothetical. 1124 01:28:18,844 --> 01:28:22,820 The work rests on many axes in different places. 1125 01:28:22,844 --> 01:28:28,814 But we are talking about eleven million cartridges. 1126 01:28:28,838 --> 01:28:30,824 Only if every shot hits. 1127 01:28:30,848 --> 01:28:34,825 We agree that we cannot achieve it by arquebusing. 1128 01:28:34,849 --> 01:28:39,819 For that reason, we now build facilities whose sole purpose is 1129 01:28:39,843 --> 01:28:42,828 to tackle this numerical problem. 1130 01:28:42,852 --> 01:28:49,824 Maybe it's because I'm older than most here - or a priest's son, 1131 01:28:49,848 --> 01:28:53,703 but for me it is also a moral issue. 1132 01:28:53,743 --> 01:28:59,414 Sorry, but I don't have to listen to that. "Poor Jews. Women and children." 1133 01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,419 We're doing our duty, and you shouldn't throw crap at us. 1134 01:29:02,444 --> 01:29:05,430 - You misunderstand me. - I understand very well. 1135 01:29:05,565 --> 01:29:09,527 You gave in to Comrade Lange with your nonsense about humanity. 1136 01:29:09,552 --> 01:29:12,533 I must firmly defend the comrades. 1137 01:29:12,558 --> 01:29:17,549 The punishment of the Jews may seem barbaric, but they deserved it. 1138 01:29:17,853 --> 01:29:23,824 I'm surprised we're talking about this again. It's about self-defense. 1139 01:29:24,106 --> 01:29:27,084 Otherwise the Jews will destroy us. 1140 01:29:27,109 --> 01:29:30,414 Please, I don't worry about the Jews. 1141 01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:34,428 I know that the end of history is written for the Jewish race. 1142 01:29:34,673 --> 01:29:37,648 I only worry about our soldiers 1143 01:29:37,673 --> 01:29:42,683 and the psychological burden that the Final Solution places on them. 1144 01:29:43,604 --> 01:29:46,596 For the Wehrmacht, SS and Ordnungspolizei? 1145 01:29:46,848 --> 01:29:51,832 It is about young people who are not yet fully developed. 1146 01:29:51,856 --> 01:29:54,821 We were like that once too. 1147 01:29:54,845 --> 01:29:58,359 Experiences like the special treatment in Kyiv, 1148 01:29:58,384 --> 01:30:01,375 a mountain with over 33,000 people, 1149 01:30:01,849 --> 01:30:05,824 that inevitably leads to rudeness. 1150 01:30:05,848 --> 01:30:09,820 Sadism. Mental illness and alcoholism. 1151 01:30:09,844 --> 01:30:13,819 I can speak for my men and say we know our craft. 1152 01:30:13,843 --> 01:30:18,457 We shoot from behind with bayonets on when they are on their knees. We rarely miss. 1153 01:30:18,482 --> 01:30:21,390 Imagine an orderly process. 1154 01:30:21,415 --> 01:30:26,867 So be it, but we want them to return as healthy German men. 1155 01:30:27,343 --> 01:30:31,330 Real husbands for German wives. Fathers of German children. 1156 01:30:31,847 --> 01:30:36,819 In our military hospitals the number of cases of nervous diseases is very much increasing, 1157 01:30:36,843 --> 01:30:40,406 triggered by the difficult experiences in the East. 1158 01:30:40,431 --> 01:30:45,295 It cannot be denied. I was told that some of the men who attended 1159 01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,827 were in worse condition than those who had been shot. 1160 01:30:48,851 --> 01:30:51,821 "Crudeness". "Sadism". 1161 01:30:51,845 --> 01:30:56,825 Although one must be merciless to the Jew in his service 1162 01:30:56,849 --> 01:30:58,858 is he still a decent German. 1163 01:30:59,295 --> 01:31:03,288 I can confirm that. There is certainly a rough tone, 1164 01:31:03,852 --> 01:31:09,539 but no one steals, swears, fights, or behaves dishonorably. 1165 01:31:09,564 --> 01:31:12,537 No one doubts your decency. 1166 01:31:12,562 --> 01:31:17,544 But I thank the Ministerial Council for his question. It is important to consider. 1167 01:31:17,848 --> 01:31:22,823 Some who have just enthusiastically advocated the final solution 1168 01:31:22,847 --> 01:31:27,820 become completely silent when they actually see the final solution. 1169 01:31:27,844 --> 01:31:32,834 The Reichsführer-SS, if I may interject, witnessed an arquebusing himself 1170 01:31:32,858 --> 01:31:36,826 and immediately gave orders to find a more humane method. 1171 01:31:36,850 --> 01:31:40,820 More humane? For our men, then? 1172 01:31:40,844 --> 01:31:42,826 Of course. 1173 01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:46,828 I promised that after our meeting you would understand 1174 01:31:46,852 --> 01:31:50,830 that we can answer any questions associated with the final solution. 1175 01:31:50,854 --> 01:31:52,210 Obersturmbannführer. 1176 01:31:52,521 --> 01:31:57,497 Behind the front line or where rail transport would be too expensive 1177 01:31:57,732 --> 01:32:00,714 we can't do without arquebusing. 1178 01:32:00,848 --> 01:32:03,833 But for the final solution, the method is too ineffective 1179 01:32:03,857 --> 01:32:08,814 and also negatively affects the effectiveness of our men. 1180 01:32:08,838 --> 01:32:13,835 - The effectiveness of my men is... - Dr. Schöngarth, I beg you. 1181 01:32:13,859 --> 01:32:20,825 The other methods, which are more effective and less mentally taxing 1182 01:32:20,849 --> 01:32:24,827 is based on findings from the euthanasia program at Zentraldienststelle T4. 1183 01:32:24,851 --> 01:32:28,821 - "Operation mercy killing"? - It had to be canceled when people protested. 1184 01:32:28,845 --> 01:32:32,824 And the churches. They politely stay out of the way regarding the Jewish transports, 1185 01:32:33,105 --> 01:32:35,086 but there was much shouting about the lunatics. 1186 01:32:35,117 --> 01:32:38,265 But they still managed about 70,000. 1187 01:32:38,290 --> 01:32:41,817 When it shut down they started working for us. 1188 01:32:42,433 --> 01:32:47,429 Excuse. When we talk about Brack's methods, are we talking about gas? 1189 01:32:47,454 --> 01:32:51,453 - That's right. - What other means can give such high quotas? 1190 01:32:51,478 --> 01:32:55,830 Those of us who participated in the World War have experienced what it means. 1191 01:32:55,855 --> 01:32:59,833 Gas. Poison gas. When lying in the trenches. 1192 01:33:00,609 --> 01:33:05,049 I don't know what you think, but to me the idea is hideous. 1193 01:33:05,074 --> 01:33:08,115 It was over 20 years ago. A lot has happened. 1194 01:33:08,140 --> 01:33:11,822 Last month I inspected the Kulmhof camp, 1195 01:33:11,846 --> 01:33:14,445 and the Bełżec camp, under Hauptsturmführer Wirth. 1196 01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:16,455 Both use carbon monoxide. 1197 01:33:16,853 --> 01:33:20,827 In Kulmhof, special wagons with airtight superstructures are used. 1198 01:33:20,851 --> 01:33:26,832 In Bełżec, there are rooms where gas is piped from cylinders or armored car engines. 1199 01:33:26,856 --> 01:33:30,823 We also have new discoveries from Obersturmbannführer Höss. 1200 01:33:30,847 --> 01:33:32,022 Who? 1201 01:33:32,047 --> 01:33:35,834 Commandant of a camp for Russian prisoners of war in eastern Upper Silesia. 1202 01:33:35,858 --> 01:33:39,671 The Obergruppenführer mentioned it. Auschwitz. 1203 01:33:39,696 --> 01:33:42,826 Höss's staff has achieved promising results 1204 01:33:42,850 --> 01:33:47,367 with an agent used for pest control, Zyklon B. 1205 01:33:47,392 --> 01:33:49,830 Pest control? Interesting. 1206 01:33:49,854 --> 01:33:53,242 Cargo holds on ships, silos... Large-scale disinfection. 1207 01:33:53,349 --> 01:33:58,316 - Appropriate. - And to contaminated uniforms. 1208 01:33:58,849 --> 01:34:02,836 The active substance is hydrocyanic acid bound in granules. 1209 01:34:02,860 --> 01:34:05,828 On contact with air, a fast-acting gas is released. 1210 01:34:05,852 --> 01:34:10,829 An accidental discovery. There were accidents due to improper use. 1211 01:34:10,853 --> 01:34:13,008 So the comrades came up with it. 1212 01:34:13,033 --> 01:34:17,281 And so we make the wrong practice the right practice. 1213 01:34:17,705 --> 01:34:18,705 Right. 1214 01:34:18,852 --> 01:34:23,835 We receive the granules in practical containers, pre-portioned. 1215 01:34:23,859 --> 01:34:27,834 The manufacturer can also provide it without adding warning substances. 1216 01:34:28,014 --> 01:34:31,217 When you notice the gas, it's too late. 1217 01:34:31,242 --> 01:34:37,834 According to Höss, last year's gassing of 900 Russian prisoners of war was extremely successful. 1218 01:34:37,858 --> 01:34:41,824 What will it be then? Carbon monoxide or hydrocyanic acid. 1219 01:34:41,848 --> 01:34:44,831 Höss is convinced of his method. 1220 01:34:44,855 --> 01:34:49,304 It is still a thought experiment, but it would be possible to transform Auschwitz, 1221 01:34:49,329 --> 01:34:51,311 from Russians to Jews. 1222 01:34:51,433 --> 01:34:55,409 I intend to propose to the Reichsführer-SS that we move forward on all tracks. 1223 01:34:55,667 --> 01:34:57,945 Competition stimulates business. 1224 01:34:59,371 --> 01:35:03,368 How can we imagine these processes in detail? 1225 01:35:03,861 --> 01:35:07,836 As I said, the Jews come to the facilities by train. 1226 01:35:07,860 --> 01:35:12,840 They are then sorted according to work ability and hand over their possessions. 1227 01:35:12,864 --> 01:35:19,578 Under the guise of disinfection, they are then led to airtight gas chambers. 1228 01:35:19,603 --> 01:35:22,586 The active substance is supplied from outside. 1229 01:35:22,611 --> 01:35:28,594 The process itself, if performed correctly, is completed in ten to fifteen minutes. 1230 01:35:28,860 --> 01:35:34,830 This is followed by ventilation of the chamber, removal and disposal. 1231 01:35:34,854 --> 01:35:38,171 We plan combustion in highly efficient furnaces. 1232 01:35:38,406 --> 01:35:41,833 In Auschwitz, models are already being built by Topf & Söhne, 1233 01:35:41,857 --> 01:35:45,827 although of course we have to expand capacity significantly. 1234 01:35:45,851 --> 01:35:50,840 From train to gas? So there is no need for housing? 1235 01:35:51,301 --> 01:35:54,773 Extremely effective! 1236 01:35:54,798 --> 01:35:59,234 But don't these facilities risk causing concern among the population in the area? 1237 01:35:59,259 --> 01:36:01,238 Just what I need - riot. 1238 01:36:01,532 --> 01:36:03,840 We value geographical distance. 1239 01:36:03,865 --> 01:36:08,835 The facilities require facades and undeveloped areas in the direction of the wind 1240 01:36:08,859 --> 01:36:10,833 to avoid disturbing odors. 1241 01:36:10,857 --> 01:36:15,831 - How many facilities are there? - Kulmhof is already relieving Litzmannstadt. 1242 01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,106 Bełżec will soon be ready for operation. 1243 01:36:18,164 --> 01:36:23,837 In the camp in Sobibór, construction will begin soon. An area near Treblinka is being considered, 1244 01:36:23,861 --> 01:36:26,554 and Auschwitz is, as I said, a possibility. 1245 01:36:26,579 --> 01:36:31,953 - Do we have enough people for that many? - The operation is not personnel-intensive. 1246 01:36:32,257 --> 01:36:34,843 Especially if we use Jews and labor from outside. 1247 01:36:34,867 --> 01:36:41,828 Our men are mainly to keep order and release the necessary gas. 1248 01:36:41,852 --> 01:36:45,837 But the sight of all the corpses, the transport to the ovens... 1249 01:36:45,861 --> 01:36:50,839 It is carried out by working Jews, who later also receive special treatment. 1250 01:36:50,863 --> 01:36:52,836 Elegant. 1251 01:36:53,194 --> 01:36:57,174 And is the facility's capacity sufficient for the task? 1252 01:36:57,199 --> 01:37:02,202 We are in the planning phase. We must find and optimize the processes. 1253 01:37:02,727 --> 01:37:07,714 But there are no technical obstacles to building airtight chambers for a thousand people. 1254 01:37:07,855 --> 01:37:11,257 In Auschwitz there is room for several chambers, 1255 01:37:11,282 --> 01:37:16,256 so that we can always manage a fully loaded train in one round. 1256 01:37:16,494 --> 01:37:20,495 The process can of course be repeated several times a day. 1257 01:37:21,585 --> 01:37:26,571 The Council of Ministers looks skeptical. 1258 01:37:26,775 --> 01:37:31,743 This might solve our math problems, 1259 01:37:31,768 --> 01:37:35,768 but how exactly is it better than arquebusing? 1260 01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:41,766 I have witnessed executions in the East and the use of the special carriages in Kulmhof, 1261 01:37:41,791 --> 01:37:44,782 and I'm not ashamed to say that both make me sick. 1262 01:37:44,807 --> 01:37:50,312 But the stationary facilities enable a structured division of labor. 1263 01:37:50,337 --> 01:37:53,869 The person concerned and the person carrying out the process barely come into contact. 1264 01:37:54,158 --> 01:37:57,138 No closeness and nothing to arouse pity. 1265 01:37:57,850 --> 01:38:00,841 I and all the experts involved are convinced: 1266 01:38:00,865 --> 01:38:05,841 This enables a pleasant technical, efficient and anonymous process. 1267 01:38:05,865 --> 01:38:09,830 Our men can do it in an extremely detached manner. 1268 01:38:09,854 --> 01:38:13,838 - Very impressive. - The whole thing sounds well thought out. 1269 01:38:13,862 --> 01:38:17,833 - In deed. - We are convinced of that. 1270 01:38:17,857 --> 01:38:21,838 - Do you share that assessment? - Well, yes... 1271 01:38:21,862 --> 01:38:25,835 If it really spares us the carnage of arquebusing 1272 01:38:25,859 --> 01:38:31,656 and our men are spared, then it is a great relief to me. 1273 01:38:31,681 --> 01:38:35,661 The knowledge that we have all done all we could, 1274 01:38:35,686 --> 01:38:40,374 although I would have preferred if the Jews just went up in smoke. 1275 01:38:40,494 --> 01:38:43,468 Who wouldn't rather live in peace? 1276 01:38:43,493 --> 01:38:47,842 But fate has chosen our generation to complete this task. 1277 01:38:48,212 --> 01:38:52,367 We can't refuse just because it's disgusting. 1278 01:38:52,392 --> 01:38:55,870 We are the doctors of the German people. 1279 01:38:56,362 --> 01:39:00,349 No doctor likes sawing off the leg of his patient, 1280 01:39:00,858 --> 01:39:05,864 but what if it is the only way to save the patient's life. 1281 01:39:07,683 --> 01:39:09,693 Gentlemen, with that we are done. 1282 01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:16,576 If there are no more questions, I suggest that you as authority representatives 1283 01:39:16,601 --> 01:39:18,492 continue the conversations with your advisors. 1284 01:39:18,517 --> 01:39:23,835 My advisor IV B4 will contact your subdivisions. 1285 01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:27,374 - Are we getting a protocol? - Also through us. 1286 01:39:27,399 --> 01:39:31,132 Then I thank you for coming and pray once more 1287 01:39:31,157 --> 01:39:36,162 about your continued support to implement the final solution. 1288 01:39:38,041 --> 01:39:41,031 That is all. 1289 01:39:57,286 --> 01:40:01,543 - My notes, Obersturmbannführer. - We summarize it in the minutes. 1290 01:40:01,861 --> 01:40:06,348 - Can you give them to me this afternoon? - I'll put a white paper on your desk. 1291 01:40:06,487 --> 01:40:09,501 I'll call a car that can drive you to town. 1292 01:40:12,563 --> 01:40:15,572 - Good job, Eichmann. - Thank you, Gruppenführer. 1293 01:40:27,547 --> 01:40:32,873 - Interesting day. - Some things should be left to the younger ones to handle. 1294 01:40:33,381 --> 01:40:36,362 We'll see what happens with the big plans. 1295 01:40:36,542 --> 01:40:40,520 I hope you didn't take offense to my working document. 1296 01:40:40,857 --> 01:40:44,845 We are civil servants and have a duty to our agencies. 1297 01:40:44,869 --> 01:40:48,843 I have spent so many years of my life with Jewish laws 1298 01:40:48,867 --> 01:40:51,615 that I would like to avoid. 1299 01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:54,620 - You're not giving up, are you? - Not without a fight. 1300 01:40:54,752 --> 01:40:58,728 I say goodbye. I have another meeting in four hours. 1301 01:40:58,753 --> 01:41:00,849 Restructuring of the Ministry of Posts. 1302 01:41:00,873 --> 01:41:04,866 - You are certainly persistent. - We all have to make sacrifices. 1303 01:41:15,022 --> 01:41:17,705 It wasn't that dangerous. 1304 01:41:17,730 --> 01:41:20,746 My need for conferences is satisfied for the time being. 1305 01:41:25,085 --> 01:41:28,088 - You did well. - Well, yes... 1306 01:41:32,451 --> 01:41:35,404 I know of some fine establishments in Berlin 1307 01:41:35,429 --> 01:41:39,427 where you can recover in the most pleasant way. 1308 01:41:40,864 --> 01:41:42,862 It sounds interesting. 1309 01:42:00,863 --> 01:42:04,857 - Do you want one too? - I won't say no to that. 1310 01:42:09,344 --> 01:42:11,344 Thanks. 1311 01:42:12,872 --> 01:42:14,838 A brandy, Obergruppenführer? 1312 01:42:14,862 --> 01:42:18,855 I have more meetings, but don't let me stop you. 1313 01:42:19,295 --> 01:42:21,333 I hope you are satisfied. 1314 01:42:21,358 --> 01:42:26,836 Consent in the highest circles, and no one doubts our leadership. 1315 01:42:26,860 --> 01:42:28,108 A successful event. 1316 01:42:28,133 --> 01:42:30,843 - The protocol as usual? - First to me. 1317 01:42:30,867 --> 01:42:33,875 - Thirty copies? - Sent as classified. 1318 01:42:34,235 --> 01:42:38,639 Use formal language as usual. We don't want to scare anyone. 1319 01:42:38,664 --> 01:42:42,637 But the gentlemen should be able to read what they have been involved in. 1320 01:42:42,662 --> 01:42:46,832 - No one should be able to say he didn't know. - Understood. 1321 01:42:47,347 --> 01:42:51,343 Good. Today's goal achieved. It was worth returning to Berlin. 1322 01:42:51,524 --> 01:42:53,524 I wish you a nice afternoon. 1323 01:42:53,549 --> 01:42:57,556 The same, Obergruppenführer. And a pleasant journey home. 1324 01:43:47,721 --> 01:43:55,721 Six million Jews were killed during the National Socialist regime. 1325 01:44:04,871 --> 01:44:08,871 Subtitles: Patrick Svensson www.firstlightmedia.com