1 00:00:00,261 --> 00:00:03,481 - Female narrator: In April 2020, "snapped" told the story 2 00:00:03,525 --> 00:00:07,572 of Jamie ballweg, who thought she had found lasting love 3 00:00:07,616 --> 00:00:10,793 with 45-year-old John grachek. 4 00:00:10,836 --> 00:00:12,055 - She was really sweet, 5 00:00:12,099 --> 00:00:13,665 and she made my dad really happy. 6 00:00:13,709 --> 00:00:15,276 They had a lot of fun times together. 7 00:00:17,234 --> 00:00:19,454 - Narrator: Until a peaceful easter Sunday 8 00:00:19,497 --> 00:00:22,196 turned into a horrific nightmare. 9 00:00:29,290 --> 00:00:33,207 - John was shot twice in the chest and thigh. 10 00:00:33,250 --> 00:00:35,818 - Narrator: What first appeared to be a random crime 11 00:00:35,861 --> 00:00:39,169 revealed itself to be anything but. 12 00:00:39,213 --> 00:00:41,432 - John and Jamie had separated, 13 00:00:41,476 --> 00:00:45,045 and it was very difficult for Jamie. 14 00:00:45,088 --> 00:00:47,284 - They think that she just turned into this crazy person 15 00:00:47,308 --> 00:00:49,397 that wanted revenge. 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,183 - Jeffrey: She had made statements that if John grachek 17 00:00:53,227 --> 00:00:56,447 got custody of their kids, she would kill him. 18 00:00:56,491 --> 00:01:00,190 - Narrator: Today, Jamie sits down for an exclusive interview 19 00:01:00,234 --> 00:01:02,671 to tell her side of the story. 20 00:01:02,714 --> 00:01:05,500 - I did not want John dead. 21 00:01:05,543 --> 00:01:08,198 I did not want that. 22 00:01:08,242 --> 00:01:09,852 - You've got it all wrong. 23 00:01:09,895 --> 00:01:11,332 This is not my mom. 24 00:01:12,855 --> 00:01:17,164 - I was like terrified because they had guns draw on us. 25 00:01:17,207 --> 00:01:19,253 I'm sorry about what happened. 26 00:01:19,296 --> 00:01:21,603 I wish I could go back and change it but I can't. 27 00:01:25,346 --> 00:01:28,697 - ♪ 28 00:01:30,438 --> 00:01:34,616 ♪♪ 29 00:01:36,574 --> 00:01:41,144 - ♪ 30 00:01:41,188 --> 00:01:44,234 - Jamie: I'm Jamie grachek. 31 00:01:44,278 --> 00:01:48,412 I came here to say my part, you know? 32 00:01:48,456 --> 00:01:51,241 I have a lot of gr... regrets. 33 00:01:51,285 --> 00:01:54,636 I regret what happened that night. 34 00:01:54,679 --> 00:01:57,900 I made a mistake, a really bad mistake, 35 00:01:57,943 --> 00:02:01,121 but we're not all perfect. 36 00:02:01,164 --> 00:02:04,124 - My siblings and I have gone through a lot in our lives 37 00:02:04,167 --> 00:02:06,778 just because of one simple mistake. 38 00:02:06,822 --> 00:02:09,607 This big thing that happened turned into something that 39 00:02:09,651 --> 00:02:12,828 really changed our lives for the worst. 40 00:02:14,612 --> 00:02:16,440 - ♪ 41 00:02:16,484 --> 00:02:20,575 - Narrator: It was easter Sunday on march 31st, 2013, 42 00:02:20,618 --> 00:02:25,188 in the sleepy town of riverside, Ohio. 43 00:02:25,232 --> 00:02:27,408 - Holly: Riverside is a suburb of Dayton. 44 00:02:27,451 --> 00:02:30,324 It's a working-class neighborhood, a lot of families 45 00:02:30,367 --> 00:02:33,631 live there, you don't see a lot of crime in that area. 46 00:02:33,675 --> 00:02:36,547 - Narrator: But at 10:30pm, the local police department 47 00:02:36,591 --> 00:02:39,159 receives an alarming 911 call. 48 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,601 - [Gunshots] 49 00:02:50,779 --> 00:02:53,216 - Narrator: After the cryptic 911 call, 50 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:56,176 riverside police officers rush to the scene, 51 00:02:56,219 --> 00:02:59,266 where they find a woman crying over the body of a man 52 00:02:59,309 --> 00:03:02,225 lying motionless in the front yard. 53 00:03:02,269 --> 00:03:04,227 - Matthew: When they arrived, he was awake. 54 00:03:04,271 --> 00:03:05,837 He was on the ground. 55 00:03:05,881 --> 00:03:08,492 There was a towel that was being applied to his side. 56 00:03:08,536 --> 00:03:10,668 We could see it was a gunshot wound. 57 00:03:10,712 --> 00:03:12,496 - Jeffrey: He was shot twice. 58 00:03:12,540 --> 00:03:14,411 He was shot in the chest and shot in the thigh. 59 00:03:15,891 --> 00:03:17,588 - Narrator: The woman identifies herself 60 00:03:17,632 --> 00:03:20,461 as 40-year-old Nicole price. 61 00:03:20,504 --> 00:03:23,855 The man on the ground is her 45-year-old boyfriend, 62 00:03:23,899 --> 00:03:25,770 John grachek. 63 00:03:25,814 --> 00:03:27,859 - I'm thinking, you know, he's been shot, 64 00:03:27,903 --> 00:03:30,514 he's gonna make it, he's gonna be okay. 65 00:03:30,558 --> 00:03:31,950 And I kept telling him to hold on. 66 00:03:35,737 --> 00:03:39,349 - Narrator: Born in 1967, John grachek grew up 67 00:03:39,393 --> 00:03:42,570 in the lake erie suburb of fremont, Ohio, 68 00:03:42,613 --> 00:03:45,703 the youngest child in a large family. 69 00:03:45,747 --> 00:03:49,272 - Ashlee: He had a big booming laugh; He was a very funny 70 00:03:49,316 --> 00:03:53,233 and loud, outgoing individual and he had a big heart. 71 00:03:53,276 --> 00:03:55,844 - Narrator: In 1990, at 23 years old, 72 00:03:55,887 --> 00:03:58,977 John started his own plumbing company. 73 00:03:59,021 --> 00:04:01,719 - Danny: He was truly a god when it came to plumbing. 74 00:04:01,763 --> 00:04:04,722 I've never seen a plumber as fast as him. 75 00:04:04,766 --> 00:04:06,985 - Narrator: One year after launching his business, 76 00:04:07,029 --> 00:04:10,641 John met and married a woman named Sylvia schauffler 77 00:04:10,685 --> 00:04:12,904 and the couple started a family. 78 00:04:12,948 --> 00:04:15,342 - Ashlee: My mom and my dad had three children together: 79 00:04:15,385 --> 00:04:18,606 Um, my sister, Chelsea, me, and my brother, Jonathan. 80 00:04:18,649 --> 00:04:21,783 - Narrator: But John and Sylvia's marriage didn't last. 81 00:04:21,826 --> 00:04:24,916 - Ashlee: My mom and my dad were married for 13 years, 82 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,919 and they split up when I was 7. 83 00:04:27,963 --> 00:04:30,574 - Narrator: John wasn't single for long. 84 00:04:30,618 --> 00:04:33,447 In 2004, he met a young woman who would 85 00:04:33,490 --> 00:04:35,884 change his life forever. 86 00:04:35,927 --> 00:04:39,931 - Jamie: I was 26 and when I first met John, 87 00:04:39,975 --> 00:04:42,673 I was attracted to him right away. 88 00:04:42,717 --> 00:04:45,981 He had the prettiest blue eyes, and we just started talking. 89 00:04:46,024 --> 00:04:49,550 And I could tell that he liked me, and you know, 90 00:04:49,593 --> 00:04:51,769 I-I liked him, too. 91 00:04:51,813 --> 00:04:54,032 And then it was like we were kind of inseparable 92 00:04:54,076 --> 00:04:55,469 from there on out. 93 00:04:57,993 --> 00:05:01,779 - Narrator: Like John, Jamie had been raised in a big family. 94 00:05:01,823 --> 00:05:04,086 - Jamie: I was born and raised in Ohio, 95 00:05:04,129 --> 00:05:08,438 and I lived with my mom and dad, and I have three siblings. 96 00:05:08,482 --> 00:05:10,310 I had a good childhood. 97 00:05:10,353 --> 00:05:12,050 I was loved a lot. 98 00:05:12,094 --> 00:05:15,924 We didn't have a whole lot of money, but we were happy. 99 00:05:15,967 --> 00:05:19,101 - Ed: Jamie, she had a mind of her own and she always did 100 00:05:19,144 --> 00:05:24,585 what she thought she wanted to do no matter what I said. 101 00:05:24,628 --> 00:05:26,978 - My sister dropped out of school in eighth grade. 102 00:05:27,022 --> 00:05:31,635 She just stopped going to school and she just never went back. 103 00:05:31,679 --> 00:05:33,831 - Jamie: I dropped out of school because I got pregnant 104 00:05:33,855 --> 00:05:37,815 with my oldest son, and me and his father were together 105 00:05:37,859 --> 00:05:41,079 for a little while and then we split up. 106 00:05:41,123 --> 00:05:43,604 We were just young, and you know, 107 00:05:43,647 --> 00:05:46,346 we just went our separate ways. 108 00:05:46,389 --> 00:05:48,870 It was hard to make those kind of decisions, you know, 109 00:05:48,913 --> 00:05:53,135 being so young, but I had my mom and she was right there with me 110 00:05:53,178 --> 00:05:55,442 like holding my hand through all of it. 111 00:05:55,485 --> 00:05:56,921 And I had my dad. 112 00:05:56,965 --> 00:05:59,968 He was very supportive of me. 113 00:06:00,011 --> 00:06:03,014 - Narrator: By the time Jamie met John in 2004, 114 00:06:03,058 --> 00:06:06,670 she had given birth to five children. 115 00:06:06,714 --> 00:06:10,848 - Between 20 to 26, it was like my life was crazy. 116 00:06:10,892 --> 00:06:13,590 I was pregnant a lot. 117 00:06:13,634 --> 00:06:16,071 Just going through a lot of different things. 118 00:06:16,114 --> 00:06:18,552 My oldest daughter has a different father 119 00:06:18,595 --> 00:06:21,555 than my two oldest boys. 120 00:06:21,598 --> 00:06:26,168 And then I had two daughters that I gave up for adoption. 121 00:06:26,211 --> 00:06:27,735 - Marlee: Life was really hard. 122 00:06:27,778 --> 00:06:30,041 We just tried to stick together and love each other 123 00:06:30,085 --> 00:06:33,044 and do whatever we could to survive, you know. 124 00:06:33,088 --> 00:06:35,786 - Narrator: With none of the children's biological fathers 125 00:06:35,830 --> 00:06:40,095 around, it made things even more special when John accepted them 126 00:06:40,138 --> 00:06:43,490 into his life as if they were his own. 127 00:06:43,533 --> 00:06:46,797 - I was so happy, like I just thought I finally have 128 00:06:46,841 --> 00:06:48,993 a dad, you know, that... that's gonna be there, you know, 129 00:06:49,017 --> 00:06:50,932 that's gonna love us. 130 00:06:50,975 --> 00:06:53,500 - Daniel b: When we first met, he seemed like a real nice guy. 131 00:06:53,543 --> 00:06:57,025 You know like he... he took care of us. 132 00:06:57,068 --> 00:06:59,419 - Jamie: John was a very good dad to 'em. 133 00:06:59,462 --> 00:07:03,074 The relationship that John had with my kids was great. 134 00:07:03,118 --> 00:07:04,554 It was really good. 135 00:07:04,598 --> 00:07:06,513 They all got along great. 136 00:07:07,688 --> 00:07:09,796 - Precious: Jamie had a couple of failed relationships 137 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:11,213 at this point. 138 00:07:11,256 --> 00:07:14,434 She wasn't really used to a man sticking around, 139 00:07:14,477 --> 00:07:17,567 investing in her and wanting to take care of her. 140 00:07:17,611 --> 00:07:21,571 So this was a really happy time in their lives. 141 00:07:21,615 --> 00:07:24,966 They were a big "Brady bunch" type unit. 142 00:07:26,968 --> 00:07:29,927 - Narrator: Despite their 14-year age difference, 143 00:07:29,971 --> 00:07:34,018 the couple wasted no time cementing their relationship. 144 00:07:34,062 --> 00:07:36,238 - We got married really quick. 145 00:07:36,281 --> 00:07:39,502 We got married within like two to three months 146 00:07:39,546 --> 00:07:42,505 of knowing each other. 147 00:07:42,549 --> 00:07:45,682 - Narrator: John and Jamie had two more children together: 148 00:07:45,726 --> 00:07:47,858 A son and a daughter. 149 00:07:47,902 --> 00:07:52,123 And for the next five years, everything seemed perfect. 150 00:07:52,167 --> 00:07:53,623 - Ashlee: They seemed great for each other, 151 00:07:53,647 --> 00:07:55,475 and she was a little younger than my dad, 152 00:07:55,518 --> 00:07:58,869 so I feel like she brought out that fun-loving side to my dad. 153 00:08:01,829 --> 00:08:05,049 - Narrator: But by the fall of 2011, after 8 years 154 00:08:05,093 --> 00:08:09,227 together, cracks began appearing in the marriage. 155 00:08:09,271 --> 00:08:11,273 - They seemed to have argued more 156 00:08:11,316 --> 00:08:14,755 and seemed to be getting along less and less. 157 00:08:14,798 --> 00:08:17,758 - It was just really hard with five kids, and... and 158 00:08:17,801 --> 00:08:21,152 John didn't know how to deal with his emotions well. 159 00:08:21,196 --> 00:08:24,678 Sometimes he kind of took things out on me and the kids. 160 00:08:24,721 --> 00:08:27,681 He was violent at times, yes. 161 00:08:27,724 --> 00:08:29,615 - Daniel: He would change moods really, really quickly 162 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:31,641 on the fly for no reason. 163 00:08:31,685 --> 00:08:34,209 He always had this like real bad anger. 164 00:08:34,252 --> 00:08:36,777 - John was the sole provider. 165 00:08:36,820 --> 00:08:38,909 He was a self-employed plumber. 166 00:08:38,953 --> 00:08:42,522 He made really good money and Jamie didn't work. 167 00:08:44,654 --> 00:08:46,569 - Danny: He was the only person 168 00:08:46,613 --> 00:08:48,919 that was bringing the income into the house. 169 00:08:48,963 --> 00:08:51,792 So, that put a lot of stress on him. 170 00:08:51,835 --> 00:08:54,185 - Things went south with Jamie. 171 00:08:54,229 --> 00:08:58,538 Jamie was using drugs and being very neglectful to her children, 172 00:08:58,581 --> 00:09:01,671 and my dad stepped in and decided that that wasn't going 173 00:09:01,715 --> 00:09:03,717 to be the life that they were going to live. 174 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,676 - Narrator: It's an allegation Jamie denies. 175 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,287 - No. Drugs weren't really a problem. 176 00:09:09,331 --> 00:09:10,854 I didn't have a drug problem. 177 00:09:12,247 --> 00:09:14,684 - Narrator: But by the summer of 2012, 178 00:09:14,728 --> 00:09:17,861 the couple decided enough was enough. 179 00:09:17,905 --> 00:09:20,690 - John and I tried to work things out for about 180 00:09:20,734 --> 00:09:24,694 a year and a half, but we just kind of separated. 181 00:09:25,869 --> 00:09:27,915 - My mom was very heartbroken. 182 00:09:27,958 --> 00:09:31,222 She would sit in her room and cry when he was gone. 183 00:09:31,266 --> 00:09:33,790 - I just felt so defeated. 184 00:09:33,834 --> 00:09:38,055 Like, my whole world was turned upside down. 185 00:09:38,099 --> 00:09:41,929 It was really hard because John was all I knew. 186 00:09:44,235 --> 00:09:46,847 - Narrator: Without John to support her financially, 187 00:09:46,890 --> 00:09:49,719 Jamie struggled to make ends meet 188 00:09:49,763 --> 00:09:53,593 and eventually lost custody of her children. 189 00:09:53,636 --> 00:09:54,918 - The house we were staying in, at that point, 190 00:09:54,942 --> 00:09:56,247 didn't have power. 191 00:09:56,291 --> 00:09:59,076 A case worker pulled up with three cop cars, 192 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,862 and she was like, "I'm taking the kids." 193 00:10:01,905 --> 00:10:04,255 That's about all I remember. 194 00:10:04,299 --> 00:10:08,042 - The day that my siblings and I 195 00:10:08,085 --> 00:10:11,088 got taken from my mom 196 00:10:11,132 --> 00:10:13,700 was really one of the hardest days of my life. 197 00:10:13,743 --> 00:10:16,137 - Jamie: I was upset that they were in foster care. 198 00:10:16,180 --> 00:10:18,922 It was really rough for me. 199 00:10:18,966 --> 00:10:21,795 But I was trying to get back custody, 200 00:10:21,838 --> 00:10:25,929 and children services wasn't really helping me. 201 00:10:25,973 --> 00:10:28,715 - Narrator: With Jamie unable to provide for the children, 202 00:10:28,758 --> 00:10:31,761 John began applying for custody. 203 00:10:31,805 --> 00:10:34,285 Then, later that same summer, 204 00:10:34,329 --> 00:10:38,986 he met 39-year-old Nicole price. 205 00:10:39,029 --> 00:10:40,441 - Danny: He went out drinking one night, 206 00:10:40,465 --> 00:10:43,817 and he winked at Nikki and it went on from there. 207 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:45,751 - Nicole: We seen each other every single day after that. 208 00:10:45,775 --> 00:10:49,779 So, then we moved in together in riverside in 2012, 209 00:10:49,823 --> 00:10:51,215 the day before Thanksgiving. 210 00:10:51,259 --> 00:10:53,435 - ♪ 211 00:10:53,478 --> 00:10:57,134 - Narrator: Just four months later, tragedy strikes when 212 00:10:57,178 --> 00:11:00,007 a mysterious shooter attacks John and Nicole at home, 213 00:11:00,050 --> 00:11:02,357 leaving him clinging to life. 214 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,100 - John was struck two times the altercation. 215 00:11:07,710 --> 00:11:11,801 One bullet struck his leg, the other struck in his rib cage. 216 00:11:11,845 --> 00:11:14,151 - And he was removed by our medics 217 00:11:14,195 --> 00:11:15,979 to a level-one trauma center. 218 00:11:18,286 --> 00:11:21,071 - From what the officers and the medics were telling us initially 219 00:11:21,115 --> 00:11:23,770 it didn't look good. 220 00:11:23,813 --> 00:11:27,425 - Narrator: Coming up: As doctors fight to save John, 221 00:11:27,469 --> 00:11:31,952 riverside police begin to piece together what happened. 222 00:11:31,995 --> 00:11:36,347 - A lot of witnesses saw these two men run away. 223 00:11:36,391 --> 00:11:40,177 But there was a driver sitting there waiting on them. 224 00:11:40,221 --> 00:11:43,267 - When the police pulled us over I was like terrified. 225 00:11:43,311 --> 00:11:44,834 I didn't do it to hurt anybody. 226 00:11:44,878 --> 00:11:46,749 I'm just struggling. 227 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:49,186 I thought this was the end of my life. 228 00:11:49,230 --> 00:11:51,145 I'd never see my kids grow up. 229 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:55,410 - ♪ 230 00:12:03,853 --> 00:12:06,987 - Narrator: March 31st, 2013. 231 00:12:07,030 --> 00:12:11,339 In riverside, Ohio, 45-year-old John grachek is fighting 232 00:12:11,382 --> 00:12:14,298 for his life after being shot at his home. 233 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,041 - Emergency services personnel arrive 234 00:12:18,085 --> 00:12:20,348 to find John in the front yard. 235 00:12:20,391 --> 00:12:22,132 He's bleeding. 236 00:12:22,176 --> 00:12:26,484 They realize that he was struck twice, but he's still alive, 237 00:12:26,528 --> 00:12:30,401 and they rush him to a nearby hospital. 238 00:12:30,445 --> 00:12:32,534 - Narrator: Meanwhile, riverside detectives begin 239 00:12:32,577 --> 00:12:35,624 combing through the crime scene. 240 00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:37,210 - Matthew: We're able to see inside the house 241 00:12:37,234 --> 00:12:39,367 that there was clearly a struggle, because things 242 00:12:39,410 --> 00:12:41,369 were moved out of place and disheveled 243 00:12:41,412 --> 00:12:43,501 and items were kind of strewn. 244 00:12:43,545 --> 00:12:46,069 - Jeffrey: We found bullet holes in the wall, 245 00:12:46,113 --> 00:12:50,508 through the closet door, drywall dust, blood spatter. 246 00:12:52,075 --> 00:12:55,122 - Narrator: To try and determine exactly what happened, 247 00:12:55,165 --> 00:12:59,256 detectives speak with John's girlfriend, Nicole price. 248 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:02,129 Nicole tells the detectives that her and John's evening 249 00:13:02,172 --> 00:13:05,915 had started out like any other. 250 00:13:05,959 --> 00:13:08,222 - Nicole: We spent easter together. 251 00:13:08,265 --> 00:13:12,052 John was relaxing on the couch, and I was in the kitchen. 252 00:13:12,095 --> 00:13:14,402 John got up to use the restroom, 253 00:13:14,445 --> 00:13:19,015 and that's when I heard a knock at the door. 254 00:13:19,059 --> 00:13:20,974 - Narrator: Nicole says the person at the door 255 00:13:21,017 --> 00:13:24,368 was a man she didn't recognize. 256 00:13:24,412 --> 00:13:27,067 - She described that a dark-haired man 257 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:31,245 had entered the home with a gun. 258 00:13:31,288 --> 00:13:34,378 - Narrator: And he was pointing the gun right at her. 259 00:13:37,164 --> 00:13:40,254 - I just turned around and screamed 260 00:13:40,297 --> 00:13:42,952 and ran towards the family room. 261 00:13:45,172 --> 00:13:46,976 - John starts coming down the hallway to intercede 262 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,218 and to protect Nicole. 263 00:13:49,959 --> 00:13:53,223 - Nicole: The man was telling John to, "get on the floor, 264 00:13:53,267 --> 00:13:54,964 get on the floor," 265 00:13:55,008 --> 00:13:56,705 and then I start hearing the gunshots. 266 00:13:56,748 --> 00:13:58,315 - [Gunshots] 267 00:13:59,403 --> 00:14:01,188 - Michael: After the shots were fired, 268 00:14:01,231 --> 00:14:04,408 she saw another man running away, along with 269 00:14:04,452 --> 00:14:08,456 the dark-haired man, towards the street. 270 00:14:08,499 --> 00:14:10,299 - Nicole: I didn't know there was a second guy 271 00:14:10,327 --> 00:14:13,330 until after they were running from my house. 272 00:14:15,158 --> 00:14:18,466 - Jeffrey: She described the taller of the two white males 273 00:14:18,509 --> 00:14:21,773 had the handgun. 274 00:14:21,817 --> 00:14:25,386 The white male with the handgun had a buzz haircut 275 00:14:25,429 --> 00:14:28,128 and some facial hair. 276 00:14:28,171 --> 00:14:31,261 - Narrator: Nicole tells police that after the men fled, John 277 00:14:31,305 --> 00:14:36,136 tried to chase after them, but he collapsed in the front yard. 278 00:14:36,179 --> 00:14:38,486 - I ran over to John and then he's like 279 00:14:38,529 --> 00:14:42,490 holding his side and then i'm yelling, "help, help." 280 00:14:42,533 --> 00:14:44,318 I don't know why they were there. 281 00:14:44,361 --> 00:14:46,581 I didn't know if they wanted money or to kill us, 282 00:14:46,624 --> 00:14:48,365 I mean, I didn't know. 283 00:14:48,409 --> 00:14:50,063 - Michael: They didn't ask for anything. 284 00:14:50,106 --> 00:14:52,413 They didn't make any demands. 285 00:14:52,456 --> 00:14:53,694 - Jeffrey: Something's very wrong here. 286 00:14:53,718 --> 00:14:55,633 This was not a home invasion. 287 00:14:55,677 --> 00:14:57,374 This seemed to have a purpose to us. 288 00:14:59,115 --> 00:15:01,422 - Narrator: Detectives speak with neighbors to see if 289 00:15:01,465 --> 00:15:06,079 anyone saw in which direction the suspects had fled. 290 00:15:06,122 --> 00:15:08,385 As it turns out, several had. 291 00:15:10,561 --> 00:15:12,650 - Michael: They said these two men 292 00:15:12,694 --> 00:15:16,654 got into the passenger side of the car. 293 00:15:16,698 --> 00:15:19,527 They said it was a dark-colored car. 294 00:15:19,570 --> 00:15:22,791 And that really clued detectives in, okay, 295 00:15:22,834 --> 00:15:26,099 there was a driver sitting there waiting on them. 296 00:15:26,142 --> 00:15:29,841 So, there was a third person involved in this incident. 297 00:15:29,885 --> 00:15:32,192 - Narrator: Detectives put out a bolo with the description 298 00:15:32,235 --> 00:15:33,758 of the suspects' car. 299 00:15:33,802 --> 00:15:35,108 And within minutes, 300 00:15:35,151 --> 00:15:39,416 officers have the vehicle in their sights. 301 00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:41,114 - Matthew: Our officers on our road patrol 302 00:15:41,157 --> 00:15:44,726 encounters a car leaving the area at a high rate of speed. 303 00:15:44,769 --> 00:15:47,207 So, he follows the vehicle 304 00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:48,817 and conducts a traffic stop on it. 305 00:15:51,341 --> 00:15:53,735 They start ordering people out of the vehicle. 306 00:15:53,778 --> 00:15:55,302 Driver is a white female. 307 00:15:55,345 --> 00:15:57,217 She follows orders. 308 00:15:57,260 --> 00:16:00,872 She was very nervous, very upset. 309 00:16:00,916 --> 00:16:03,658 - When the police pulled us over, I was like terrified, 310 00:16:03,701 --> 00:16:06,530 'cause they had guns drawn on us. 311 00:16:06,574 --> 00:16:08,880 They had us walk backwards and lay on the ground, 312 00:16:08,924 --> 00:16:10,578 and then they handcuffed me 313 00:16:10,621 --> 00:16:12,319 and put me in the back of the police car. 314 00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:15,428 - Jeffrey: When they stop the vehicle, 315 00:16:15,452 --> 00:16:17,150 there are two white males. 316 00:16:17,193 --> 00:16:20,066 One is taller than the other, one has facial hair 317 00:16:20,109 --> 00:16:24,287 and the one with the facial hair has a buzz haircut. 318 00:16:24,331 --> 00:16:25,612 - That's when the decision is made 319 00:16:25,636 --> 00:16:27,377 to bring them back to the scene to conduct 320 00:16:27,421 --> 00:16:30,076 a live ID with Nicole. 321 00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:32,904 - Narrator: To detectives' surprise, Nicole immediately 322 00:16:32,948 --> 00:16:37,170 recognizes the female who had been driving the vehicle. 323 00:16:37,213 --> 00:16:41,870 - She identifies the woman as John's ex-wife, Jamie. 324 00:16:43,828 --> 00:16:47,615 - I remember the police drove me back over to John's house 325 00:16:47,658 --> 00:16:51,619 and they shined like a flashlight on my face. 326 00:16:51,662 --> 00:16:53,621 And then I saw Nicole there, 327 00:16:53,664 --> 00:16:55,318 and she looked at me and shook her head. 328 00:16:55,362 --> 00:16:57,755 But they didn't tell me what was going on. 329 00:16:59,627 --> 00:17:02,369 - Narrator: Nicole also recognizes the two men 330 00:17:02,412 --> 00:17:05,676 as the assailants she saw running from the scene. 331 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,505 - Police are able to identify the men 332 00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:14,468 as 29-year-old Gary webb and 24-year-old Jacob gipson, 333 00:17:14,511 --> 00:17:18,341 Nicole remembers Gary webb as the person who held 334 00:17:18,385 --> 00:17:21,518 the gun and fired the shots into John. 335 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:24,497 - Jeffrey: I said, "is that the man that shot John?" 336 00:17:24,521 --> 00:17:27,568 She said, "yes, it is." 337 00:17:27,611 --> 00:17:30,745 - Narrator: Investigators haul Jamie and the two male suspects 338 00:17:30,788 --> 00:17:34,662 back to the police station for questioning. 339 00:17:34,705 --> 00:17:37,752 At the same time, Nicole price heads to the hospital 340 00:17:37,795 --> 00:17:41,277 desperate to know John's condition. 341 00:17:41,321 --> 00:17:43,888 - Nicole: I was really worried about John. 342 00:17:43,932 --> 00:17:46,674 The detective told me I could finally go to the hospital 343 00:17:46,717 --> 00:17:48,458 and see him. 344 00:17:48,502 --> 00:17:50,610 - Narrator: But when Nicole arrives at the emergency room, 345 00:17:50,634 --> 00:17:53,724 she's met with devastating news. 346 00:17:53,768 --> 00:17:55,204 - Nicole: The doctor came in 347 00:17:55,248 --> 00:17:57,206 and said he worked on him for a long time. 348 00:17:57,250 --> 00:17:58,381 He couldn't save him. 349 00:18:00,296 --> 00:18:01,863 It was terrible. 350 00:18:04,822 --> 00:18:06,824 It was the worst day of my life. 351 00:18:11,699 --> 00:18:15,268 - Narrator: As the sun came up over riverside, Jamie's kids 352 00:18:15,311 --> 00:18:19,359 were also reeling from the news of John's death. 353 00:18:19,402 --> 00:18:22,362 - All of us kids were with my grandpa, Greg, 354 00:18:22,405 --> 00:18:24,625 so that is my biological dad's dad, 355 00:18:24,668 --> 00:18:28,890 and he got a call. 356 00:18:28,933 --> 00:18:30,631 And about 30 minutes later, 357 00:18:30,674 --> 00:18:36,332 he said, "your stepdad, John, he has passed away. 358 00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:40,554 And your mom was involved." 359 00:18:40,597 --> 00:18:45,254 And I'm sitting there like, "what in the actual heck 360 00:18:45,298 --> 00:18:47,430 "is... is happening right now? 361 00:18:47,474 --> 00:18:49,476 "Like you've got it all wrong. 362 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:52,348 This is not my mom. My mom would not do this." 363 00:18:52,392 --> 00:18:54,698 - It was April first so I thought it was a joke. 364 00:18:54,742 --> 00:18:57,223 John seemed like this invincible guy you know because of how 365 00:18:57,266 --> 00:18:59,616 big he was, it seemed like no one could take him down. 366 00:19:02,402 --> 00:19:04,969 - Narrator: Meanwhile, at the riverside police department, 367 00:19:05,013 --> 00:19:08,756 investigators separate their three suspects... 368 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:13,500 Jamie grachek, Gary webb, and Jacob gipson. 369 00:19:13,543 --> 00:19:17,460 - John has passed; This is a murder investigation. 370 00:19:17,504 --> 00:19:19,027 It's now a homicide. 371 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:21,377 - Matthew: The first person we spoke with was Gary webb. 372 00:19:21,421 --> 00:19:22,596 He's been arrested before. 373 00:19:22,639 --> 00:19:24,424 He understood his rights. 374 00:19:24,467 --> 00:19:25,836 - Jeffrey: He had some crimes of violence, 375 00:19:25,860 --> 00:19:28,036 aggravated burglary. 376 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:31,518 - Nicole had told investigators that Gary webb 377 00:19:31,561 --> 00:19:35,435 was the shooter, but during the interrogation, 378 00:19:35,478 --> 00:19:36,784 he tried to play dumb. 379 00:19:51,146 --> 00:19:54,671 - Narrator: Gary also reveals what he claims is the real 380 00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:58,980 reason the trio had visited the gracheks' home that evening. 381 00:19:59,023 --> 00:20:02,940 - Gary told detectives that they went to John's house 382 00:20:02,984 --> 00:20:05,856 to buy drugs and a fight ensued. 383 00:20:16,737 --> 00:20:20,610 - Narrator: Detectives aren't buying Gary's story. 384 00:20:20,654 --> 00:20:23,961 - They had no history of John grachek 385 00:20:24,005 --> 00:20:26,703 as being involved with drugs. 386 00:20:26,747 --> 00:20:31,665 There were no incident reports of drug activity at his house. 387 00:20:31,708 --> 00:20:33,536 It didn't make sense to them. 388 00:20:33,580 --> 00:20:36,147 - Narrator: But in talking with their other suspects, 389 00:20:36,191 --> 00:20:40,848 the truth behind this heinous crime would soon be revealed. 390 00:20:40,891 --> 00:20:44,721 - Jamie says, "well, I never wanted anyone to get hurt," 391 00:20:44,765 --> 00:20:47,376 but what did she think was going to happen? 392 00:20:47,420 --> 00:20:49,117 This is a really dark plan. 393 00:20:51,032 --> 00:20:53,861 - Narrator: Coming up: Investigators question the woman 394 00:20:53,904 --> 00:20:55,515 at the center of it all. 395 00:20:58,692 --> 00:21:01,695 - Narrator: And her reaction to her ex-husband's death raises 396 00:21:01,738 --> 00:21:03,740 red flags for police. 397 00:21:10,225 --> 00:21:11,855 - I remember even turning to sergeant trego, 398 00:21:11,879 --> 00:21:14,185 and I'm like, "she's not crying." 399 00:21:14,229 --> 00:21:17,450 - You know, they did say that I cried with no tears, 400 00:21:17,493 --> 00:21:20,409 but everyone deals with grief differently. 401 00:21:20,453 --> 00:21:23,064 Yes, I did love John. 402 00:21:23,107 --> 00:21:24,587 I still love John. 403 00:21:26,415 --> 00:21:28,939 - ♪ 404 00:21:37,992 --> 00:21:41,169 - Narrator: After John grachek was gunned down in his riverside 405 00:21:41,212 --> 00:21:45,608 home, police have arrested his ex-wife, Jamie grachek, 406 00:21:45,652 --> 00:21:49,177 and her companions, Gary webb and Jacob gipson. 407 00:21:50,439 --> 00:21:53,747 - Michael: Investigators interviewed Gary webb. 408 00:21:53,790 --> 00:21:58,621 He told them that it was Jake who was the shooter, even though 409 00:21:58,665 --> 00:22:01,972 Nicole had already told investigators she knew 410 00:22:02,016 --> 00:22:05,324 for a fact it was Gary webb who had shot John. 411 00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:10,198 - Narrator: When investigators question Jacob gipson, 412 00:22:10,241 --> 00:22:12,418 he gives a very different story. 413 00:22:23,429 --> 00:22:25,735 - As we're talking to Mr. Gipson, 414 00:22:25,779 --> 00:22:27,824 he's basically claiming that Gary webb's the one 415 00:22:27,868 --> 00:22:29,062 that brought the firearm over. 416 00:22:29,086 --> 00:22:30,646 He's the one who went to the door first. 417 00:22:43,057 --> 00:22:44,667 - Holly: Police believe that Jacob gipson 418 00:22:44,711 --> 00:22:48,149 is being fairly truthful about what happened that night. 419 00:22:48,192 --> 00:22:50,194 - Matthew: His version of events is matching up 420 00:22:50,238 --> 00:22:52,414 with what we've learned at the scene from Nicole price. 421 00:22:52,458 --> 00:22:54,378 - Narrator: But while it's clear to investigators 422 00:22:54,416 --> 00:22:58,028 who pulled the trigger, the motive behind the shooting 423 00:22:58,072 --> 00:23:00,770 remains a mystery. 424 00:23:00,814 --> 00:23:05,253 Just before daybreak, detectives turn to Jamie grachek, 425 00:23:05,296 --> 00:23:09,431 the only suspect with a clear connection to the victim. 426 00:23:09,475 --> 00:23:11,041 - Michael: According to Jamie, she had 427 00:23:11,085 --> 00:23:14,784 no idea that John was dead when investigators 428 00:23:14,828 --> 00:23:17,396 first brought her in for questioning. 429 00:23:17,439 --> 00:23:19,441 - When I was in the interrogation room, 430 00:23:19,485 --> 00:23:23,880 I was just confused, kind of a little scared. 431 00:23:23,924 --> 00:23:25,882 I didn't know what was going on. 432 00:23:25,926 --> 00:23:28,145 I thought we were in trouble just for, you know, 433 00:23:28,189 --> 00:23:32,323 going over there and them going inside the house. 434 00:23:32,367 --> 00:23:36,415 When they told me that they were investigating a homicide... 435 00:23:36,458 --> 00:23:41,289 Then I was just like, you know, really shocked about it. 436 00:23:41,332 --> 00:23:43,770 And I was like, "who... who died?" 437 00:23:49,471 --> 00:23:51,952 - Narrator: Detectives tell Jamie that her ex-husband 438 00:23:51,995 --> 00:23:53,127 has been killed. 439 00:24:11,232 --> 00:24:12,363 - I didn't wanna believe it. 440 00:24:12,407 --> 00:24:14,975 I told them that I didn't believe them 441 00:24:15,018 --> 00:24:16,933 and that I wanted to see him. 442 00:24:16,977 --> 00:24:18,544 [Crying] 443 00:24:18,587 --> 00:24:20,304 - The one thing that I noticed that was really interesting 444 00:24:20,328 --> 00:24:23,418 in interview, she was wailing to the point that it seemed forced, 445 00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:26,203 and I noticed that there were no tears. 446 00:24:26,247 --> 00:24:28,249 And I remember even turning to sergeant trego, 447 00:24:28,292 --> 00:24:30,904 and I'm like, "she's not crying." 448 00:24:30,947 --> 00:24:33,123 - Jeffrey: When people have genuine reaction 449 00:24:33,167 --> 00:24:38,477 to a traumatic event like that, it's genuine, there's tears. 450 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,174 - The police were a little limited 451 00:24:40,217 --> 00:24:43,307 in their assessment of Jamie's grief. 452 00:24:43,351 --> 00:24:44,874 There was an assumption 453 00:24:44,918 --> 00:24:48,574 that, "grief looks the same way in every person," 454 00:24:48,617 --> 00:24:53,317 but much like trauma, grief can show up in many different forms. 455 00:24:53,361 --> 00:24:56,233 There must have been so many things going through Jamie's 456 00:24:56,277 --> 00:25:00,411 head at that point, it's likely that she really truly was just 457 00:25:00,455 --> 00:25:03,545 in shock and the body does strange things 458 00:25:03,589 --> 00:25:04,981 when you're in shock. 459 00:25:05,025 --> 00:25:08,463 So Jamie very well could have been have 460 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:12,336 having a natural emotional reaction. 461 00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:14,489 - Jamie: You know, they... they did say that I cried with 462 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:19,518 no tears, but everyone deals with grief differently. 463 00:25:19,561 --> 00:25:24,566 And I've had plenty of time to grieve, you know, since then. 464 00:25:24,610 --> 00:25:26,960 And there's been a lot of tears shed. 465 00:25:27,003 --> 00:25:31,007 And I do miss John a lot. 466 00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:34,924 And I do wish that I could go back and change it. 467 00:25:36,883 --> 00:25:38,145 I did love John. 468 00:25:38,188 --> 00:25:39,450 I still love John. 469 00:25:44,891 --> 00:25:46,999 - Narrator: Detectives tell Jamie they've already gotten 470 00:25:47,023 --> 00:25:51,375 statements from both Gary webb and Jacob gipson. 471 00:25:51,419 --> 00:25:52,875 - Jeffrey: I don't know if there's a connection 472 00:25:52,899 --> 00:25:56,380 between webb and Jamie grachek. 473 00:25:56,424 --> 00:25:59,383 But gipson was the common denominator. 474 00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:01,255 They each knew him. 475 00:26:01,298 --> 00:26:06,434 Gipson also was a liaison or romantic interest 476 00:26:06,477 --> 00:26:08,567 of Jamie grachek. 477 00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:10,370 - Matthew: There's a string of text messaging 478 00:26:10,394 --> 00:26:12,658 that we are able to discover from downloading 479 00:26:12,701 --> 00:26:17,880 their phones that connect Jamie grachek and Jacob gipson, 480 00:26:17,924 --> 00:26:19,273 romantically. 481 00:26:19,316 --> 00:26:21,623 - Narrator: However, Jamie denies any sort 482 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:24,583 of romantic relationship with Jacob. 483 00:26:24,626 --> 00:26:26,019 - Jamie: He was not my boyfriend. 484 00:26:26,062 --> 00:26:28,238 He was just my friend. 485 00:26:28,282 --> 00:26:31,590 Me and Jacob lived in the same apartment complex, 486 00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:33,417 and he did maintenance there. 487 00:26:33,461 --> 00:26:35,332 I was living with a friend of mine. 488 00:26:44,298 --> 00:26:46,953 - I wanted the truth to be known. 489 00:26:46,996 --> 00:26:48,694 I wasn't trying to hide anything. 490 00:26:48,737 --> 00:26:53,655 I told the police exactly, you know, how it happened. 491 00:26:53,699 --> 00:26:56,092 - Narrator: According to Jamie, it all started 492 00:26:56,136 --> 00:27:00,488 when she got a call from Jacob gipson around 9pm... 493 00:27:00,531 --> 00:27:05,406 - Jamie: It was easter Sunday, and Jacob was calling my phone, 494 00:27:05,449 --> 00:27:09,236 and he was talking about, "we've got to get some money somehow." 495 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:14,110 It was kind of like a spur of the moment, you know, thing. 496 00:27:14,154 --> 00:27:17,461 - Narrator: Jamie says both she and Jacob were strapped for cash 497 00:27:17,505 --> 00:27:19,246 at the time, and on the brink 498 00:27:19,289 --> 00:27:21,596 of becoming homeless. 499 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,293 - Jamie was in and out of shelters 500 00:27:23,337 --> 00:27:26,035 and, I mean, I don't even know what she was doing for money. 501 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,298 - Kelly: She needed to support a drug habit, 502 00:27:28,342 --> 00:27:32,433 um, and just to earn money to stay afloat. 503 00:27:32,476 --> 00:27:34,304 She wasn't working anywhere. 504 00:27:34,348 --> 00:27:37,307 - The original plan was to Rob a drug dealer 505 00:27:37,351 --> 00:27:39,570 that Jacob knew. 506 00:27:39,614 --> 00:27:42,617 - Narrator: Jamie admits she agreed to the plan, but Jacob 507 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:45,620 decided they would need some extra muscle. 508 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:50,059 - He wanted me to drive him to go pick up 509 00:27:50,103 --> 00:27:53,497 this guy named webb that was a friend of his. 510 00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:56,326 I went and picked him up and then we swing 511 00:27:56,370 --> 00:27:58,241 by this drug dealer's house. 512 00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:02,245 Jacob had a gun in his hand. 513 00:28:02,289 --> 00:28:04,552 They told me to wait there in the parking lot, 514 00:28:04,595 --> 00:28:07,120 then they came running back to the car. 515 00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:10,514 He said that the drug dealer jumped out the window. 516 00:28:10,558 --> 00:28:14,431 - They tried to execute this plan but it didn't work. 517 00:28:14,475 --> 00:28:19,741 And so, you know, that's when the talk transitioned to, 518 00:28:19,785 --> 00:28:22,396 "okay, who else can we target?" 519 00:28:24,528 --> 00:28:27,140 - I took like a couple Xanax's, 520 00:28:27,183 --> 00:28:30,534 so I was kind of like out of it. 521 00:28:30,578 --> 00:28:33,363 He was like, "so who can we Rob? 522 00:28:33,407 --> 00:28:34,582 Because we need some money." 523 00:28:41,458 --> 00:28:42,827 - Jamie: I thought maybe John might have had 524 00:28:42,851 --> 00:28:45,201 some money on him. 525 00:28:45,245 --> 00:28:49,336 Jacob acted like it was a good idea to do that. 526 00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:55,211 And I was kind of hesitant but I just... i went along with it. 527 00:28:55,255 --> 00:28:56,430 And I wish I wouldn't have. 528 00:28:57,910 --> 00:29:01,304 - Narrator: The trio arrived at the home around 10 pm. 529 00:29:01,348 --> 00:29:05,526 - I pulled up and I pointed to which house it was. 530 00:29:05,569 --> 00:29:08,224 They said, "just be ready to drive." 531 00:29:08,268 --> 00:29:10,357 I didn't think anyone was going to get hurt. 532 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,315 I didn't even think about that. 533 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:13,664 I knew he had a gun. 534 00:29:13,708 --> 00:29:15,405 But I didn't know if it had bullets in it. 535 00:29:28,854 --> 00:29:33,162 - Jamie: They got out of the car and ran up to the door, 536 00:29:33,206 --> 00:29:35,338 and... like, there was something inside of me that was 537 00:29:35,382 --> 00:29:38,428 like screaming like, "tell them to come back! 538 00:29:38,472 --> 00:29:39,778 Tell them to come back!" 539 00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:42,824 But i... i didn't. 540 00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:45,261 I wish I would have. 541 00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:47,350 [Sobbing] 542 00:29:50,136 --> 00:29:53,661 - I think that her guilt is compounded by the fact 543 00:29:53,704 --> 00:29:57,404 that she had an opportunity to stop this. 544 00:29:57,447 --> 00:29:59,275 But she wasn't able to do that. 545 00:30:02,583 --> 00:30:05,499 - ♪ 546 00:30:05,542 --> 00:30:07,153 - [Gunshots] 547 00:30:07,196 --> 00:30:09,503 - Jamie: I heard the gunshots. 548 00:30:09,546 --> 00:30:12,593 And then they came running back to the car. 549 00:30:12,636 --> 00:30:14,334 And I didn't know what was going on. 550 00:30:14,377 --> 00:30:16,162 I didn't know what had happened. 551 00:30:16,205 --> 00:30:19,513 They were just screaming at me like, "go! Go! Go!" 552 00:30:19,556 --> 00:30:20,751 And I was like, "what happened?" 553 00:30:20,775 --> 00:30:23,647 And they wouldn't tell me anything. 554 00:30:23,691 --> 00:30:26,607 - Narrator: Panicked, Jamie hit the gas and the three of them 555 00:30:26,650 --> 00:30:29,392 sped off into the night. 556 00:30:29,436 --> 00:30:31,830 - I didn't have my lights on in my car or anything. 557 00:30:31,873 --> 00:30:33,309 I was just driving all crazy, 558 00:30:33,353 --> 00:30:36,573 because they were screaming at me. 559 00:30:36,617 --> 00:30:37,937 Jacob threw the gun out the window 560 00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:40,360 when we were driving away. 561 00:30:40,403 --> 00:30:41,709 - [Siren wailing] 562 00:30:47,584 --> 00:30:50,370 - There was no plan to kill anybody or hurt anybody. 563 00:30:50,413 --> 00:30:54,678 I... i would have never went along with something like that. 564 00:30:54,722 --> 00:30:56,811 - Narrator: Despite her account of the night, 565 00:30:56,855 --> 00:31:00,684 police would soon discover holes in Jamie's story, 566 00:31:00,728 --> 00:31:03,862 suggesting John's murder was no accident. 567 00:31:05,211 --> 00:31:06,666 - I think it came all at once for Jamie. 568 00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:08,344 It was too much losing John. 569 00:31:08,388 --> 00:31:10,607 - Jamie was spiraling... spiraling out of control. 570 00:31:12,348 --> 00:31:15,308 - Narrator: Coming up: A chaotic love triangle 571 00:31:15,351 --> 00:31:20,530 is revealed... One that police believe culminated in murder. 572 00:31:20,574 --> 00:31:23,359 - She was jealous he was moving on with his life 573 00:31:23,403 --> 00:31:25,666 and that it was without her. 574 00:31:25,709 --> 00:31:28,234 - Honestly, I was angry at her. 575 00:31:28,277 --> 00:31:30,889 The fact that she did something so stupid. 576 00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:34,718 - I understand why you hate me, because if I was you, 577 00:31:34,762 --> 00:31:36,503 I would hate me too. 578 00:31:37,417 --> 00:31:39,941 - ♪ 579 00:31:43,597 --> 00:31:46,905 - ♪ 580 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:51,561 - Narrator: April 1, 2013. 581 00:31:51,605 --> 00:31:53,172 Riverside, Ohio. 582 00:31:53,215 --> 00:31:57,785 Detectives are sitting down with 33-year-old Jamie grachek, 583 00:31:57,828 --> 00:32:01,093 who claims her ex-husband John grachek was killed 584 00:32:01,136 --> 00:32:05,097 in a robbery plot gone wrong. 585 00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:06,837 - Precious: When Jamie gets arrested, 586 00:32:06,881 --> 00:32:10,798 she essentially sees her whole life flash before her, 587 00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:14,628 and it end at this moment. 588 00:32:14,671 --> 00:32:19,981 All of Jamie's aspirations of having a life with her children, 589 00:32:20,025 --> 00:32:23,985 having a loving home felt like they were completely 590 00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:25,856 and utterly over. 591 00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:28,076 - It seemed like it was like a split second 592 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,991 that everything happened. 593 00:32:30,035 --> 00:32:33,908 I'm just thinking about my kids and I was basically in shock. 594 00:32:51,317 --> 00:32:53,797 - Narrator: When Jamie is finished giving her statement, 595 00:32:53,841 --> 00:32:56,975 she gets a rude awakening from detectives. 596 00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:05,200 - Honestly, I was angry at her. 597 00:33:05,244 --> 00:33:09,030 Um, the fact that she did something so stupid. 598 00:33:09,074 --> 00:33:12,903 But it didn't feel fair that, you know, 599 00:33:12,947 --> 00:33:15,254 she was taken away for a stupid mistake, you know. 600 00:33:17,952 --> 00:33:20,215 - Narrator: But as investigators continue to build 601 00:33:20,259 --> 00:33:24,045 their case against Jamie, they begin to uncover evidence 602 00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:29,355 that suggests John grachek's death was no mistake. 603 00:33:29,398 --> 00:33:31,246 - In secondary interviews with Nicole price, we're finding out, 604 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:33,272 too, that there were some other 605 00:33:33,315 --> 00:33:36,057 underlying incidents that happened. 606 00:33:36,101 --> 00:33:38,320 - Narrator: Even though John and Jamie had technically 607 00:33:38,364 --> 00:33:44,065 separated in 2012, they hadn't completely cut ties. 608 00:33:44,109 --> 00:33:45,782 - Danny: John and her still dated off and on 609 00:33:45,806 --> 00:33:47,721 through the whole time of the separation, 610 00:33:47,764 --> 00:33:51,377 up until the point he met Nikki. 611 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:54,075 - Narrator: With Nicole in his life, John had decided 612 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,601 it was finally time to cut Jamie off completely. 613 00:33:58,645 --> 00:34:01,082 - My mom was pretty upset about the whole ordeal 614 00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:02,997 with him leaving. 615 00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:05,913 - It took my mom and John 616 00:34:05,956 --> 00:34:08,350 a long time to separate. 617 00:34:09,656 --> 00:34:11,919 And finally, it got to the point 618 00:34:11,962 --> 00:34:15,357 where he had left for the last time. 619 00:34:15,401 --> 00:34:17,664 She cried a lot. 620 00:34:17,707 --> 00:34:22,277 She would be in her room a lot just really sad. 621 00:34:22,321 --> 00:34:25,672 - She was jealous he was moving on with his life 622 00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:28,327 and that it was without her. 623 00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:30,285 She lost her support system. 624 00:34:30,329 --> 00:34:33,201 She lost... she lost everything when John left her. 625 00:34:33,245 --> 00:34:35,160 - Jamie was spiraling... 626 00:34:35,203 --> 00:34:36,363 And spiraling out of control. 627 00:34:39,164 --> 00:34:41,862 - Narrator: Nicole says it wasn't long after she and John 628 00:34:41,905 --> 00:34:45,779 started dating that Jamie started to harass them. 629 00:34:45,822 --> 00:34:47,302 - He got his phone number changed 630 00:34:47,346 --> 00:34:50,827 and then she started messaging him on Facebook. 631 00:34:50,871 --> 00:34:53,439 Blocked her from that one and then she'd make up fake ones 632 00:34:53,482 --> 00:34:54,962 and try to contact him through there. 633 00:34:57,443 --> 00:34:59,923 - Narrator: Jamie disputes Nicole's claims 634 00:34:59,967 --> 00:35:03,753 and says John was the one harassing her. 635 00:35:03,797 --> 00:35:06,191 - After we broke up, he would, like, stalk me and 636 00:35:06,234 --> 00:35:09,194 just... like, he would be sitting in my driveway at like 637 00:35:09,237 --> 00:35:12,719 6 o'clock in the morning, just sitting there and like... like 638 00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:15,156 he didn't want to believe that it was over, 639 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,984 even when he was with Nicole. 640 00:35:18,812 --> 00:35:22,163 - Narrator: But according to Nicole, Jamie's erratic behavior 641 00:35:22,207 --> 00:35:27,386 escalated one evening in January of 2013. 642 00:35:27,429 --> 00:35:30,302 - Kelly: Jamie had taken a vehicle and drove it through 643 00:35:30,345 --> 00:35:33,305 the front yard of their home, cutting up the grass 644 00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:35,176 in front of their home as a threat. 645 00:35:36,308 --> 00:35:38,179 - Nicole: It was like 3:00 in the morning 646 00:35:38,223 --> 00:35:40,790 and he heard a real loud car, 'cause this is a cul-De-sac. 647 00:35:40,834 --> 00:35:43,445 John seen her when he opened the door. 648 00:35:43,489 --> 00:35:45,752 We did call the police, and they came. 649 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,236 - Uh, yes. I did do that. 650 00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:58,417 I was just out driving around with this boyfriend I had, and 651 00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:02,725 we just happened to be in the vicinity of where John lived. 652 00:36:02,769 --> 00:36:05,206 And I wasn't driving; My boyfriend was. 653 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:08,209 And we just kind of like drove through the front yard. 654 00:36:08,253 --> 00:36:10,124 It was really childish and dumb. 655 00:36:11,995 --> 00:36:14,215 - Narrator: That's when Nicole reveals another reason 656 00:36:14,259 --> 00:36:17,262 Jamie may have wanted John dead. 657 00:36:17,305 --> 00:36:19,873 - It was decided that he was getting his children 658 00:36:19,916 --> 00:36:21,222 a week before easter. 659 00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:24,791 - The courts ruled that John would get custody. 660 00:36:24,834 --> 00:36:26,227 - ♪ 661 00:36:26,271 --> 00:36:28,882 - Narrator: Coming up: Investigators uncover 662 00:36:28,925 --> 00:36:33,495 a tumultuous custody battle that tested Jamie's limits 663 00:36:33,539 --> 00:36:36,411 and may have ended in murder. 664 00:36:36,455 --> 00:36:37,867 - Holly: The thought of losing children, 665 00:36:37,891 --> 00:36:40,198 I think, just pushed her over the edge. 666 00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:43,288 - They were the most constant source 667 00:36:43,331 --> 00:36:46,421 of love and affection for her. 668 00:36:46,465 --> 00:36:50,295 - She had made statements at a prior hearing that if 669 00:36:50,338 --> 00:36:54,212 John grachek got custody of their kids, she would kill him. 670 00:36:55,909 --> 00:36:58,477 - ♪ 671 00:37:02,089 --> 00:37:05,223 - ♪ 672 00:37:07,834 --> 00:37:11,707 - Narrator: Within 24 hours of John grachek's murder, 673 00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:15,798 investigators are learning that his ex-wife, Jamie grachek, 674 00:37:15,842 --> 00:37:19,324 may have had reason to want him dead. 675 00:37:19,367 --> 00:37:21,456 - She's been the only one harassing him, you know, 676 00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,024 and constantly and, 677 00:37:24,067 --> 00:37:26,331 "i... i know where you live," you know. 678 00:37:26,374 --> 00:37:29,203 - Narrator: By the time of the threats, Jamie's unstable 679 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:33,512 lifestyle had already caused her to lose custody of her children, 680 00:37:33,555 --> 00:37:36,645 including the children she shared with John. 681 00:37:36,689 --> 00:37:41,302 - At this point in time, I didn't have anywhere to live, 682 00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:47,177 and I did not have the financial means to even, you know, 683 00:37:47,221 --> 00:37:49,528 support the children. 684 00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:52,357 - Precious: It was very difficult for Jamie 685 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,185 when her children were being taken away from her. 686 00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:58,363 She started having children at a very early age. 687 00:37:58,406 --> 00:38:02,367 So, they were the most constant source 688 00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:05,457 of love and affection for her. 689 00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:07,217 - Narrator: But after their children were placed 690 00:38:07,241 --> 00:38:10,679 in temporary foster care, it was beginning to look like 691 00:38:10,723 --> 00:38:14,161 John would be awarded full custody. 692 00:38:14,204 --> 00:38:17,164 - John was going to visit his kids weekly. 693 00:38:17,207 --> 00:38:19,862 And then eventually, I started going too 694 00:38:19,906 --> 00:38:22,561 to get to know the children. 695 00:38:22,604 --> 00:38:25,607 - He was doing everything he needed to do to work 696 00:38:25,651 --> 00:38:29,350 his case plan and get reunified with the kids. 697 00:38:29,394 --> 00:38:30,834 And Jamie just wasn't doing anything. 698 00:38:33,485 --> 00:38:35,661 - Narrator: The final custody hearing was scheduled 699 00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:40,753 for April 8th, just 8 days after John's murder. 700 00:38:40,796 --> 00:38:43,408 - Nicole: The children were going to move in April 9th. 701 00:38:43,451 --> 00:38:46,367 It had been decided that he was getting them 702 00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:48,891 a week before it happened. 703 00:38:48,935 --> 00:38:51,764 - She had also made statements at a prior hearing 704 00:38:51,807 --> 00:38:55,289 at Montgomery county family courts 705 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:58,292 with children's service present 706 00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:01,730 that if John grachek 707 00:39:01,774 --> 00:39:05,255 got custody of their kids, she would kill him. 708 00:39:05,299 --> 00:39:06,668 - I think it came all at once for Jamie. 709 00:39:06,692 --> 00:39:08,389 It was too much losing John. 710 00:39:08,433 --> 00:39:10,498 And, you know, the thought of losing children, I think, 711 00:39:10,522 --> 00:39:13,133 just pushed her over the edge. 712 00:39:13,176 --> 00:39:16,310 - Narrator: Investigators surmise that Jamie had her ex 713 00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:19,705 killed to prevent him from obtaining custody of the kids. 714 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,231 - Now, it was all piecing together 715 00:39:24,274 --> 00:39:28,670 what the real motive for this crime was. 716 00:39:28,714 --> 00:39:30,542 And it was to get rid of John grachek. 717 00:39:32,544 --> 00:39:36,809 - Michael: I think she not only wanted to take his money, 718 00:39:36,852 --> 00:39:39,638 I think she was looking for a little bit of revenge. 719 00:39:40,769 --> 00:39:44,338 - Narrator: It's a claim Jamie vehemently denies. 720 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:47,689 - I did not want John dead. 721 00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:50,431 I knew that he was gonna get custody. 722 00:39:50,475 --> 00:39:52,433 I mean, what... what did I think? 723 00:39:52,477 --> 00:39:54,435 That my kids were just gonna stay in foster care 724 00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:55,480 or get adopted out? 725 00:39:55,523 --> 00:39:57,699 I did not want that. 726 00:39:57,743 --> 00:40:01,399 I wanted them to be in a home with people they knew. 727 00:40:03,531 --> 00:40:06,404 - They think that she just turned into this crazy 728 00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:09,624 person that wanted revenge, and I was, like, 729 00:40:09,668 --> 00:40:11,844 "I don't think that's it at all." 730 00:40:11,887 --> 00:40:14,890 I know that's not it because that is not who my mom is. 731 00:40:15,891 --> 00:40:18,677 - Narrator: On April 1st, 2013, 732 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:23,333 police charge Jamie grachek with complicity to commit murder, 733 00:40:23,377 --> 00:40:26,336 aggravated burglary, aggravated robbery, 734 00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:28,730 and felonious assault. 735 00:40:28,774 --> 00:40:30,819 - They charged me with murder. 736 00:40:30,863 --> 00:40:33,996 I thought this was the end of my life. 737 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,303 I'd never see my kids grow up. 738 00:40:38,523 --> 00:40:42,440 - Narrator: Although Gary webb and Jacob gipson also deny 739 00:40:42,483 --> 00:40:46,226 investigators' claims of a premeditated murder plot, 740 00:40:46,269 --> 00:40:49,359 they face the same charges as Jamie. 741 00:40:49,403 --> 00:40:52,232 - Michael: Gary and Jacob said this was 742 00:40:52,275 --> 00:40:55,931 a robbery gone horribly wrong. 743 00:40:55,975 --> 00:40:57,803 - Precious: They said that there was no plan 744 00:40:57,846 --> 00:41:01,720 for John to be murdered that night. 745 00:41:01,763 --> 00:41:03,722 - Narrator: With her trial date looming, 746 00:41:03,765 --> 00:41:07,639 prosecutors decide to approach Jamie with a deal. 747 00:41:07,682 --> 00:41:12,818 - I had been in the county for almost a year. 748 00:41:14,515 --> 00:41:19,520 And they came at me with the 21 flat time, 749 00:41:19,564 --> 00:41:21,609 and I said that I was okay with that. 750 00:41:22,871 --> 00:41:24,569 - Michael: Jamie ended up pleading guilty 751 00:41:24,612 --> 00:41:28,007 to involuntary manslaughter, complicity 752 00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:33,752 to commit aggravated robbery and aggravated burglary. 753 00:41:33,795 --> 00:41:37,538 - I knew if I took the deal that I wouldn't get 754 00:41:37,582 --> 00:41:41,890 a life sentence and that I would have an out date and that 755 00:41:41,934 --> 00:41:46,329 I would still have a chance at a life with my kids. 756 00:41:46,373 --> 00:41:47,983 - Narrator: Gary webb and Jacob gipson 757 00:41:48,027 --> 00:41:50,943 also plead guilty to murder. 758 00:41:50,986 --> 00:41:53,008 - Michael: For being the one who pulled the trigger, 759 00:41:53,032 --> 00:41:56,601 Gary webb received the harshest sentence, 760 00:41:56,644 --> 00:42:00,953 18 years to life, Jacob received a sentence 761 00:42:00,996 --> 00:42:04,957 of 15 years to life for his part in the crime. 762 00:42:16,446 --> 00:42:17,535 - I'm sorry. 763 00:42:17,578 --> 00:42:19,319 I'm sorry that your dad's gone. 764 00:42:23,149 --> 00:42:24,933 I'm sorry about what happened. 765 00:42:29,111 --> 00:42:33,551 I wish I could go back and change it but I can't. 766 00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:35,814 And I understand why you hate me 767 00:42:35,857 --> 00:42:38,817 because if I was you, I would hate me too. 768 00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:42,777 [Crying] 769 00:42:45,867 --> 00:42:48,522 - Narrator: Today, Jamie is trying to make the most 770 00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:51,351 of her time behind bars and prepare 771 00:42:51,394 --> 00:42:56,443 for her eventual release in 2035. 772 00:42:56,486 --> 00:42:59,794 - Jamie: I will be 54, so I'll still be so young, 773 00:42:59,838 --> 00:43:02,623 and I'll have lots of life left to live. 774 00:43:02,667 --> 00:43:08,455 I got my ged in January of 2020, and I was so excited. 775 00:43:08,498 --> 00:43:11,023 I called my kids and told 'em. 776 00:43:11,066 --> 00:43:15,593 And I'm in here, you know, just trying to better myself 777 00:43:15,636 --> 00:43:18,900 so I can be a better person when I walk out of here. 778 00:43:18,944 --> 00:43:23,644 I... i feel like, you know, I deserve the time I got. 779 00:43:27,953 --> 00:43:32,740 - ♪