1 00:00:07,529 --> 00:00:10,031 [birds chirping] 2 00:00:14,702 --> 00:00:16,996 [wind gusting] 3 00:00:19,791 --> 00:00:22,001 [bird cawing] 4 00:00:26,047 --> 00:00:27,840 ‐ [clears throat] Okay. [sniffs] 5 00:00:29,050 --> 00:00:30,009 Should I just go? 6 00:00:31,302 --> 00:00:33,888 Uh, monsters aren't born, they're made, we make them. 7 00:00:34,430 --> 00:00:36,724 Uh, all of our monsters are human‐made. 8 00:00:36,724 --> 00:00:39,519 The‐‐ We make them out of the things we're afraid of, 9 00:00:39,519 --> 00:00:41,354 we make them out of the things we hate. 10 00:00:41,354 --> 00:00:45,441 ♪ 11 00:00:45,942 --> 00:00:50,405 In our past, we, we became fearful as an evolutionary mechanism 12 00:00:50,989 --> 00:00:52,323 for survival. 13 00:00:53,116 --> 00:00:55,785 Don't go in the cave. It's dark. 14 00:00:55,785 --> 00:00:57,662 There could be something in there that will eat you. 15 00:00:59,706 --> 00:01:01,708 It's a human coping mechanism. 16 00:01:03,001 --> 00:01:06,421 This notion of things that are out of control, 17 00:01:06,421 --> 00:01:08,047 things that we can't control. 18 00:01:09,507 --> 00:01:13,845 It just seems to be hardwired into the human psyche. 19 00:01:14,679 --> 00:01:17,724 ♪ dramatic theme playing ♪ 20 00:01:17,724 --> 00:01:21,144 ♪ 21 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:42,415 [line ringing] 22 00:01:45,627 --> 00:01:47,086 DAVID HOLTHOUSE: [on recorder] 23 00:01:49,172 --> 00:01:50,131 INFORMANT: 24 00:01:52,133 --> 00:01:55,178 HOLTHOUSE: Did, uh, did [bleep] kinda tell you why I was calling? 25 00:02:00,433 --> 00:02:01,935 HOLTHOUSE: He mentioned that, uh, 26 00:02:01,935 --> 00:02:03,770 you know, that you'd be a good guy to talk to 27 00:02:03,770 --> 00:02:06,898 about kinda Spy Rock and Mendo and the scene. 28 00:02:13,404 --> 00:02:15,156 HOLTHOUSE [narrating]: A confidential source told me 29 00:02:15,156 --> 00:02:16,741 that in 1993 30 00:02:17,617 --> 00:02:20,245 word on the mountain was that [bleep] 31 00:02:20,245 --> 00:02:23,081 had a hand in the murders 32 00:02:23,081 --> 00:02:25,250 of three farm workers from Mexico 33 00:02:25,917 --> 00:02:28,586 at a dope patch off Spy Rock Road. 34 00:02:33,967 --> 00:02:35,176 Subsequent to that, 35 00:02:35,593 --> 00:02:38,304 Ghostdance told me that [bleep] was pulled in for questioning 36 00:02:38,304 --> 00:02:40,473 by the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office 37 00:02:41,057 --> 00:02:43,268 regarding a different murder at a dope farm 38 00:02:43,268 --> 00:02:46,354 off Spy Rock Road that occurred in 2013. 39 00:02:48,439 --> 00:02:50,942 HOLTHOUSE: [on recorder] How long have‐‐ Are you still based, like‐‐ 40 00:02:50,942 --> 00:02:53,987 Are you still based in, uh, in Mendo now? 41 00:02:56,364 --> 00:02:58,783 HOLTHOUSE: Yeah, how‐‐ When did you first get there, man? 42 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,752 HOLTHOUSE: Would it‐‐ Would Spy Rock be a dangerous place 43 00:03:09,752 --> 00:03:12,714 for my crew and I to just, like, go and start trying to get interviews‐‐ 44 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,482 HOLTHOUSE [narrating]: [bleep] came across to me 45 00:03:31,482 --> 00:03:34,736 like somebody who's experienced with handling interrogations. 46 00:03:34,736 --> 00:03:37,280 Somebody that knew how to issue a veiled threat. 47 00:03:38,239 --> 00:03:40,033 HOLTHOUSE: [on recorder] Okay, let me ask you one more, 48 00:03:40,033 --> 00:03:41,743 one more thing, man. I mean, one of the stories, 49 00:03:41,743 --> 00:03:44,078 one of the stories I heard when I was working at that farm 50 00:03:44,662 --> 00:03:47,582 was about a, a triple homicide 51 00:03:47,582 --> 00:03:51,127 around Spy Rock Road in October or November of 1993 52 00:03:51,127 --> 00:03:53,379 where one version of the story is that 53 00:03:53,379 --> 00:03:55,256 an actual Sasquatch did it. 54 00:03:56,049 --> 00:03:58,176 Uh, do you know anything about that? 55 00:04:02,347 --> 00:04:03,348 HOLTHOUSE: Okay. 56 00:04:04,974 --> 00:04:06,434 All right, man. Well, uh‐‐ 57 00:04:06,434 --> 00:04:08,019 [call disconnects] 58 00:04:08,019 --> 00:04:11,022 ♪ 59 00:04:13,566 --> 00:04:17,070 ♪ 60 00:04:30,124 --> 00:04:33,503 HOLTHOUSE: Just got out of a meeting with a source on Spy Rock 61 00:04:33,503 --> 00:04:37,257 and, um, dealing with all these dopers up here, 62 00:04:37,257 --> 00:04:39,300 it's, it's such a nest of vipers. 63 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:42,220 It's hard to know what to believe or how to gauge the truth. 64 00:04:42,804 --> 00:04:47,267 One quality I'm looking for is, uh, consistency of information. 65 00:04:50,853 --> 00:04:52,814 There are certain things that keep coming up: 66 00:04:52,814 --> 00:04:55,483 three guys from Mexico, Hells Angels. 67 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:59,445 From sources in different towns, from different generations. 68 00:04:59,946 --> 00:05:02,198 These common threads keep coming up. 69 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,161 Now, twice in the last 72 hours, 70 00:05:08,121 --> 00:05:11,666 from two different individuals, I've heard that, yes, 71 00:05:12,208 --> 00:05:15,378 three men were murdered on Spy Rock in the fall of 1993. 72 00:05:18,006 --> 00:05:20,967 And they were murdered on orders from a powerful grower 73 00:05:20,967 --> 00:05:22,051 up here on Spy Rock. 74 00:05:26,764 --> 00:05:29,559 The, uh, first source says the guys had gotten killed 75 00:05:29,559 --> 00:05:32,812 because they had gotten a local girl strung out 76 00:05:32,812 --> 00:05:34,105 on heroin and meth. 77 00:05:36,232 --> 00:05:38,860 ♪ 78 00:05:42,572 --> 00:05:44,866 The source today just said, you know, quote, 79 00:05:45,491 --> 00:05:47,994 you know, "They, they fucked with the wrong guy's daughter, 80 00:05:47,994 --> 00:05:49,495 and it got 'em killed." 81 00:05:51,915 --> 00:05:54,626 Uh, so that's just another angle to explore 82 00:05:54,626 --> 00:05:56,753 and keep an eye and ear out for. 83 00:05:56,753 --> 00:05:59,672 ♪ 84 00:06:06,054 --> 00:06:07,555 [engine revving] 85 00:06:20,777 --> 00:06:22,737 Thanks for agreeing to do this, man. 86 00:06:22,737 --> 00:06:23,821 I appreciate it. 87 00:06:24,322 --> 00:06:27,951 So I met with this Mendocino County investigator 88 00:06:27,951 --> 00:06:30,495 who is only willing to talk to us if his identity is protected, 89 00:06:30,495 --> 00:06:34,249 because... he's got a contract out on his life 90 00:06:34,916 --> 00:06:37,794 because he killed a cartel operative in a shootout. 91 00:06:38,795 --> 00:06:42,173 I asked you when we met I wanted to make sure about a guy named [bleep]. 92 00:06:43,758 --> 00:06:44,717 HOLTHOUSE: Okay. 93 00:07:07,907 --> 00:07:11,786 GHOSTDANCE: I wasn't there when these events took place, 94 00:07:11,786 --> 00:07:14,080 but from people I knew there, 95 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,249 they told me the story 96 00:07:16,249 --> 00:07:19,335 that probably one of the first people here 97 00:07:19,335 --> 00:07:21,880 to run a bigger operation 98 00:07:22,672 --> 00:07:24,716 was a guy they called Bigfoot 99 00:07:25,133 --> 00:07:27,176 who was up on Spy Rock. 100 00:07:27,176 --> 00:07:28,845 A legendary guy. 101 00:07:29,262 --> 00:07:31,514 HOLTHOUSE: Oh, interesting. GHOSTDANCE: Yeah. 102 00:07:32,307 --> 00:07:37,061 Had all his family riding around in off‐road vehicles 103 00:07:37,061 --> 00:07:40,607 with, you know, had football fields of pot. 104 00:07:40,982 --> 00:07:44,569 He was the legendary big man on the mountain. 105 00:07:44,944 --> 00:07:47,363 So there was a common terminology, 106 00:07:47,363 --> 00:07:50,450 anything that went awry, "Oh, Bigfoot did it." 107 00:07:53,661 --> 00:07:55,246 HOLTHOUSE: I'm realizing that 108 00:07:55,246 --> 00:07:58,124 if [bleep] was involved in the triple homicide 109 00:07:58,124 --> 00:08:00,627 up on Spy Rock in the fall of 1993, 110 00:08:01,461 --> 00:08:03,755 one possibility is that 111 00:08:03,755 --> 00:08:07,258 he was following orders or acting on behest 112 00:08:07,258 --> 00:08:10,094 of somebody or maybe just trying to curry favor 113 00:08:10,094 --> 00:08:12,305 with someone much higher up the food chain. 114 00:08:16,517 --> 00:08:19,270 HOLTHOUSE: By reputation, would Bigfoot have been the kind of guy 115 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:22,524 that would get somebody else to do a killing for him? 116 00:08:22,524 --> 00:08:24,234 ‐ I‐‐ Once again, I don't know, 117 00:08:24,234 --> 00:08:28,238 but that's not at all what I got from the people there was, 118 00:08:28,238 --> 00:08:29,697 it was totally copacetic, 119 00:08:29,697 --> 00:08:32,659 but it was like, don't come up here and mess with us. 120 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,124 HOLTHOUSE: I was thinking back to that night in the cabin in 1993, 121 00:08:41,292 --> 00:08:42,502 and did I hear them say 122 00:08:43,753 --> 00:08:45,797 "a" Bigfoot killed those guys, 123 00:08:45,797 --> 00:08:48,299 or did I hear them say Bigfoot killed those guys? 124 00:08:49,676 --> 00:08:51,970 Because memory's tricky like that 125 00:08:51,970 --> 00:08:54,264 and I‐I‐I‐‐ 126 00:08:55,265 --> 00:08:56,266 I don't know. 127 00:08:57,141 --> 00:08:59,477 Could they have said, "I'm telling you, Bigfoot killed those guys"? 128 00:08:59,477 --> 00:09:00,478 Yeah, maybe. 129 00:09:01,104 --> 00:09:01,980 Maybe. 130 00:09:07,652 --> 00:09:09,863 So, have you ever heard of an old‐time grower 131 00:09:10,655 --> 00:09:13,491 who also had property on Spy Rock in the early 1990s 132 00:09:13,491 --> 00:09:15,994 who goes by the nickname Bigfoot? 133 00:09:16,995 --> 00:09:18,997 When I lay this story on this cop 134 00:09:18,997 --> 00:09:21,332 about an old‐time grower on Spy Rock 135 00:09:21,833 --> 00:09:24,002 known or nicknamed as Bigfoot, 136 00:09:24,586 --> 00:09:27,505 without missing a beat he's like, "That sounds like Bigfoot Gary." 137 00:09:33,553 --> 00:09:34,679 Um‐‐ 138 00:10:10,215 --> 00:10:14,344 ♪ 139 00:10:31,402 --> 00:10:36,199 ♪ 140 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:48,336 HOLTHOUSE: Right now, there are snitches 141 00:10:49,170 --> 00:10:51,089 in and around Laytonville, California, 142 00:10:51,089 --> 00:10:53,424 who are asking around on my behalf 143 00:10:53,424 --> 00:10:55,969 about [bleep], about Bigfoot Gary, 144 00:10:56,678 --> 00:11:00,098 about Hells Angels, about murders. 145 00:11:02,225 --> 00:11:04,519 One thing that would make me feel a lot better 146 00:11:05,186 --> 00:11:07,313 is if I were able to find somebody 147 00:11:07,313 --> 00:11:09,691 that put [bleep] and Bigfoot Gary together. 148 00:11:10,984 --> 00:11:13,653 If I find somebody, whether cop or crook, 149 00:11:13,653 --> 00:11:16,614 that says, "Hey, yeah, when [bleep] was a young guy in the early '90s. 150 00:11:16,614 --> 00:11:17,866 He worked for Bigfoot Gary." 151 00:11:17,866 --> 00:11:19,158 Fuck, man, that would be huge. 152 00:11:22,036 --> 00:11:24,414 One other thing I would really like to know is 153 00:11:24,414 --> 00:11:26,708 why they pulled in [bleep] 154 00:11:26,708 --> 00:11:28,167 and searched his property 155 00:11:28,167 --> 00:11:30,545 in relation to the 2013 murder 156 00:11:30,545 --> 00:11:31,754 of Hugo Olea‐Lopez. 157 00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:35,091 Okay? Why did they key in on him? 158 00:11:35,091 --> 00:11:37,135 Did they actually think that he had anything to do with it? 159 00:11:37,552 --> 00:11:38,720 I'd really like to know that. 160 00:11:49,689 --> 00:11:52,609 There is some parallels between his murder 161 00:11:52,609 --> 00:11:54,736 and the original case in 1993, 162 00:11:54,736 --> 00:11:56,863 in that he was a Mexican national 163 00:11:57,572 --> 00:11:58,781 on Spy Rock Road. 164 00:11:58,781 --> 00:12:00,575 And in both cases, 165 00:12:00,575 --> 00:12:03,953 you know, there were harvested plants cut down but not stolen. 166 00:12:03,953 --> 00:12:05,663 So it didn't look like a rip‐off. 167 00:12:07,540 --> 00:12:11,920 Granted there's no indication that a Sasquatch did it 168 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,964 but you strip that away, and there's a lot of similarities. 169 00:12:14,964 --> 00:12:17,717 ♪ 170 00:12:21,346 --> 00:12:22,513 DIANA: [in Spanish] 171 00:13:22,323 --> 00:13:25,368 ♪ 172 00:13:28,705 --> 00:13:30,039 HOLTHOUSE: Okay. 173 00:13:41,050 --> 00:13:41,885 DETECTIVE LUIS ESPINOZA: David? 174 00:13:41,885 --> 00:13:43,219 Hey, how are you? HOLTHOUSE: Good. Thanks. 175 00:13:43,219 --> 00:13:44,137 DETECTIVE ESPINOZA: Nice to see you. HOLTHOUSE: Likewise. 176 00:13:44,137 --> 00:13:46,347 DETECTIVE ESPINOZA: Come on in. Welcome to [indistinct dialogue] 177 00:13:51,811 --> 00:13:52,854 HOLTHOUSE: Okay. Thanks. 178 00:13:54,814 --> 00:13:58,067 DETECTIVE ESPINOZA: I came in in the fall of '13 179 00:13:58,067 --> 00:14:01,196 after this case had kind of slowed down 180 00:14:01,196 --> 00:14:04,157 and the next group of cases came in, as they always do. 181 00:14:04,782 --> 00:14:07,285 I've been in communication with the family‐‐ 182 00:14:07,285 --> 00:14:09,412 I began to get in communication in '14 183 00:14:09,412 --> 00:14:11,080 when I started to follow up on the case. 184 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:12,999 I was the only Spanish‐speaking detective at the time, 185 00:14:12,999 --> 00:14:15,877 so when she would call, I'd be the one that would talk to her. 186 00:14:16,336 --> 00:14:18,463 Um... and that's his wife. 187 00:14:18,463 --> 00:14:22,133 And, you know, we've talked a bunch, and she had some information she provided. 188 00:14:23,134 --> 00:14:26,679 There's obviously some suspicions of, uh, of close contacts with him, 189 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:29,098 but there was never any, any ability 190 00:14:29,098 --> 00:14:31,226 to tie anybody down to anything. 191 00:14:31,226 --> 00:14:33,895 ♪ 192 00:14:33,895 --> 00:14:35,688 HOLTHOUSE: 193 00:14:39,484 --> 00:14:41,402 DETECTIVE ESPINOZA: I think so. I think that's how it played out. 194 00:14:41,402 --> 00:14:43,738 There was no discovery of his, uh, death. 195 00:14:43,738 --> 00:14:46,324 There was, "This is where he's at, and he's dead." 196 00:14:46,324 --> 00:14:48,618 And then they go up and they discovered him in a tent. 197 00:14:48,618 --> 00:14:52,330 ♪ 198 00:14:55,667 --> 00:14:57,252 If you know Spy Rock, I mean, you're so far out there, 199 00:14:57,252 --> 00:14:58,211 you gotta know where you're going. 200 00:14:58,211 --> 00:15:00,171 We don't randomly fall on a tent. 201 00:15:00,171 --> 00:15:02,382 So whatever it was, it was a target, 202 00:15:02,382 --> 00:15:04,259 because it wasn't like that was the only doper around. 203 00:15:04,259 --> 00:15:06,678 There were other ones in the area. 204 00:15:06,678 --> 00:15:09,264 HOLTHOUSE: He was targeted. ‐ It had to have been. 205 00:15:09,264 --> 00:15:11,599 ♪ 206 00:15:11,599 --> 00:15:13,726 [trees creaking] 207 00:15:14,811 --> 00:15:15,937 Um‐‐ 208 00:15:16,896 --> 00:15:18,773 HOLTHOUSE: How hard is it for you to investigate a homicide 209 00:15:18,773 --> 00:15:22,902 when the victim is from‐‐ is an undocumented, you know, worker‐‐ 210 00:15:22,902 --> 00:15:24,195 ‐ Oh, it's difficult. 211 00:15:24,737 --> 00:15:28,199 With the growers' cases where you have Hispanic workers, 212 00:15:28,199 --> 00:15:29,993 it's extremely difficult. 213 00:15:29,993 --> 00:15:32,328 We thought there are more bodies than we could even count right now 214 00:15:32,328 --> 00:15:33,496 up in the hills. 215 00:15:34,873 --> 00:15:36,541 HOLTHOUSE: Lot of unreported murders? 216 00:15:36,541 --> 00:15:37,709 DETECTIVE ESPINOZA: Oh, I'm sure there are. 217 00:15:38,334 --> 00:15:40,879 And a lot of unsolveds. It's pretty bad. 218 00:15:41,462 --> 00:15:43,298 And it's not because we're not trying. It's because we don't have 219 00:15:43,298 --> 00:15:46,009 that cooperation from the community, a lot of them. 220 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:48,761 Especially with marijuana growers, you know, 221 00:15:48,761 --> 00:15:50,346 who's going to be willing to talk to us. 222 00:15:51,848 --> 00:15:53,766 HOLTHOUSE: How are the Mexican immigrants 223 00:15:53,766 --> 00:15:55,810 perceived in Mendocino? 224 00:15:55,810 --> 00:15:58,229 What's like the level of just out‐and‐out racism 225 00:15:58,229 --> 00:15:59,814 in Mendocino County? 226 00:16:01,065 --> 00:16:03,067 DETECTIVE ESPINOZA: There's a voice that's being put out there right now 227 00:16:03,067 --> 00:16:05,028 all Hispanics are dope growers, well, that's not true. 228 00:16:07,655 --> 00:16:10,658 My dad came here back in the late '60s. 229 00:16:11,284 --> 00:16:14,037 Where I grew up, my family and a couple others, 230 00:16:14,037 --> 00:16:15,955 we were some of the first Hispanics in the Valley. 231 00:16:16,581 --> 00:16:18,499 There was definitely racism then. 232 00:16:20,126 --> 00:16:21,419 And I don't know who you talked to. 233 00:16:21,419 --> 00:16:24,047 I can imagine that the Hispanic growers may not be 234 00:16:24,047 --> 00:16:28,134 as open and forthcoming to you as the old white hippie dope growers. 235 00:16:28,551 --> 00:16:31,012 You know? They don't talk to me and I'm Hispanic. 236 00:16:31,012 --> 00:16:32,722 I've got another Hispanic deputy. 237 00:16:32,722 --> 00:16:33,681 We try our best, 238 00:16:34,432 --> 00:16:37,727 uh, but there's that fear of being in the black market 239 00:16:37,727 --> 00:16:39,938 and not wanting to get in trouble for what they are doing. 240 00:16:39,938 --> 00:16:40,980 HOLTHOUSE: Right. 241 00:16:42,065 --> 00:16:44,317 Hugo's murder's going to be a tough case to solve 242 00:16:44,317 --> 00:16:47,028 because of what he was involved in, because of where it happened. 243 00:16:47,612 --> 00:16:50,990 I have no doubt that there are a number of people 244 00:16:50,990 --> 00:16:52,992 who live and grow dope on Spy Rock Road 245 00:16:52,992 --> 00:16:56,454 that know exactly... who killed Hugo and why. 246 00:16:57,372 --> 00:17:00,875 Um, I am of equally little doubt 247 00:17:00,875 --> 00:17:03,795 that none of those people would ever give it up to law enforcement. 248 00:17:08,675 --> 00:17:10,301 TOM ALLMAN: Unfortunately, in our county 249 00:17:10,301 --> 00:17:12,762 the last time I looked, there were at least six, 250 00:17:13,805 --> 00:17:16,516 not only unsolved homicides, 251 00:17:16,933 --> 00:17:20,520 homicides where we don't know who the victim was, 252 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,315 because there's no fingerprints on file with the Department of Justice. 253 00:17:24,983 --> 00:17:27,819 In America, they've never been reported missing. 254 00:17:28,236 --> 00:17:30,697 We've collected the DNA on these people, 255 00:17:30,697 --> 00:17:32,782 but DNA only works 256 00:17:32,782 --> 00:17:34,659 if you have something to compare it to. 257 00:17:35,827 --> 00:17:38,246 I have walked into marijuana gardens 258 00:17:38,246 --> 00:17:40,832 where there's a dead Hispanic on the ground 259 00:17:40,832 --> 00:17:42,750 with no identification, 260 00:17:42,750 --> 00:17:44,002 no tattoos, 261 00:17:44,794 --> 00:17:48,798 and nobody in the area knows who he is or how he got there. 262 00:17:51,467 --> 00:17:53,720 We have a guaranteed anonymous tip line, 263 00:17:58,349 --> 00:17:59,976 that we would welcome information on. 264 00:18:00,977 --> 00:18:03,021 Because solving a homicide is important. 265 00:18:03,563 --> 00:18:05,982 For the family, for law enforcement, 266 00:18:06,941 --> 00:18:08,693 and for the victim. 267 00:18:08,693 --> 00:18:12,989 ♪ 268 00:18:20,163 --> 00:18:21,372 MAN: Okay? HOLTHOUSE: Okay. 269 00:18:27,003 --> 00:18:30,632 This Mendocino County Sheriff's Office investigator 270 00:18:31,799 --> 00:18:35,261 put me in touch with longtime resident of Laytonville, 271 00:18:35,261 --> 00:18:38,389 longtime small‐time grower on Spy Rock. 272 00:18:39,182 --> 00:18:42,977 As I got within about 10 feet of the pickup, I could smell... uh, meth. 273 00:18:42,977 --> 00:18:45,063 Meth has a very distinctive 274 00:18:45,063 --> 00:18:48,149 sickly sweet, sort of burning plastic smell to it. 275 00:18:49,484 --> 00:18:51,152 Offered to buy her a drink at Boomer's. 276 00:18:51,152 --> 00:18:54,155 She said no, she didn't want a drink, then she offered me a hit of meth. 277 00:18:54,614 --> 00:18:56,741 So I said, no, thanks. 278 00:18:56,741 --> 00:18:59,744 And then she said that she wanted to get in, uh, get in my car and talk. 279 00:19:02,622 --> 00:19:07,126 ‐ Well, I keep coming across the name of a guy nicknamed Bigfoot. 280 00:19:17,595 --> 00:19:19,681 ‐ Why is he nicknamed Bigfoot, do you know? 281 00:19:26,938 --> 00:19:28,815 ‐ He, um‐‐ D'you‐‐ Have you‐‐ 282 00:19:28,815 --> 00:19:31,401 There was a guy by the name of Hugo Olea‐Lopez 283 00:19:31,401 --> 00:19:35,488 that was killed on Spy Rock, uh, in 2013. 284 00:19:36,155 --> 00:19:39,993 Um... he was a Mexican guy that was shotgunned. 285 00:19:39,993 --> 00:19:42,495 He was, like, guarding a farm up there. 286 00:19:44,038 --> 00:19:45,874 ‐ I don't know. I don't know. 287 00:19:45,874 --> 00:19:47,584 Trying to find out more about that 288 00:19:48,251 --> 00:19:51,212 and, uh, the connection 289 00:19:52,005 --> 00:19:57,427 between that case and, um, a triple murder 290 00:19:57,427 --> 00:19:59,804 that I've heard about 291 00:19:59,804 --> 00:20:01,764 that happened in 1993 in Spy Rock... 292 00:20:02,974 --> 00:20:03,850 ‐ near Iron Mountain. 293 00:21:05,703 --> 00:21:07,288 ‐ I think that's why he wanted us to talk, yeah. 294 00:21:12,502 --> 00:21:15,421 [informant sobbing] 295 00:21:31,271 --> 00:21:33,022 HOLTHOUSE: And that was one of the guys that got killed? 296 00:21:36,943 --> 00:21:38,027 HOLTHOUSE: Mm‐hmm. 297 00:21:40,738 --> 00:21:45,243 ♪ 298 00:21:48,496 --> 00:21:49,414 [rustling] 299 00:21:49,414 --> 00:21:51,666 HOLTHOUSE: It's about, uh, three a. m., 300 00:21:52,458 --> 00:21:55,545 about 10 hours after I met with [bleep] in a parking lot at Boomer's, 301 00:21:55,545 --> 00:21:58,131 and, uh, maybe a contact high, 302 00:21:58,131 --> 00:22:00,717 like a tweaker contact high, because I can't sleep. 303 00:22:01,217 --> 00:22:04,178 Sorta tossing and turning, my mind's spinning in circles, 304 00:22:04,178 --> 00:22:07,265 uh, going over what she, uh, laid on me in the car 305 00:22:07,724 --> 00:22:09,809 and looking over the notes I scrawled down 306 00:22:09,809 --> 00:22:11,978 as soon as she and I parted ways. 307 00:22:13,229 --> 00:22:15,773 Could this be the one? Could we be talking about the same murder? 308 00:22:15,773 --> 00:22:18,151 I mean, obviously, Spy Rock Road, 309 00:22:18,151 --> 00:22:20,987 1993, is a very violent place, okay. 310 00:22:20,987 --> 00:22:25,033 There's probably multiple homicides that have gone unsolved. 311 00:22:26,075 --> 00:22:27,994 The biggest discrepancy of course being that 312 00:22:27,994 --> 00:22:29,746 she said that it was two men that were killed 313 00:22:29,746 --> 00:22:31,039 rather than three. 314 00:22:31,539 --> 00:22:32,749 But the location's right. 315 00:22:34,959 --> 00:22:37,545 The one other detail that she seemed certain on 316 00:22:37,545 --> 00:22:40,798 was that the name of one of the men that was killed was Martinez. 317 00:22:42,133 --> 00:22:44,385 I don't know. I mean, I guess the next step is 318 00:22:44,385 --> 00:22:46,137 to really pin her down on the date. 319 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:50,767 INFORMANT: 320 00:23:04,405 --> 00:23:05,907 HOLTHOUSE: You want to tell me about the, uh, 321 00:23:05,907 --> 00:23:09,160 crime that your son witnessed in the 1990s? 322 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,829 Are you sure that he told you it was two guys? 323 00:23:18,127 --> 00:23:20,588 HOLTHOUSE: Do you remember what year that was? 324 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,133 ‐ '96? You sure? 325 00:23:34,435 --> 00:23:35,520 HOLTHOUSE: Fuck, man. 326 00:23:36,396 --> 00:23:38,898 You know? Once I started probing further, 327 00:23:38,898 --> 00:23:41,484 it turned out that it was off by a couple years. 328 00:23:42,944 --> 00:23:45,989 So different multiple homicide on Spy Rock Road. 329 00:23:47,115 --> 00:23:50,034 Unsolved, unreported bodies buried in the woods. 330 00:23:53,413 --> 00:23:55,915 Why are there so many missing people in Mendocino County? 331 00:24:22,734 --> 00:24:24,611 [sniffles] 332 00:24:28,865 --> 00:24:32,035 ♪ 333 00:24:34,579 --> 00:24:38,541 HOLTHOUSE: This place is fucked up beyond belief. 334 00:24:41,294 --> 00:24:44,547 People pass through here, and they just see how beautiful it is 335 00:24:44,547 --> 00:24:46,132 in terms of the natural environment. 336 00:24:48,426 --> 00:24:50,678 They have no idea of the shit that goes on in this area. 337 00:24:54,766 --> 00:24:57,936 The rate of missing persons cases in Mendocino County 338 00:24:57,936 --> 00:25:01,189 and all throughout the Emerald Triangle is per capita the highest 339 00:25:01,189 --> 00:25:03,191 in the United States by far. 340 00:25:07,362 --> 00:25:11,366 You hang out in these dope towns, and all around you are signs 341 00:25:11,741 --> 00:25:13,284 about missing people. 342 00:25:13,284 --> 00:25:16,579 Billboards and fliers in coffee shops 343 00:25:16,579 --> 00:25:18,581 and grocery stores and bars. 344 00:25:19,624 --> 00:25:21,834 I mean, just dozens, hundreds of them. 345 00:25:25,255 --> 00:25:29,467 And all those missing persons fliers are literally signs 346 00:25:29,467 --> 00:25:31,302 that there are monsters among us. 347 00:25:31,302 --> 00:25:34,472 ♪ 348 00:25:37,517 --> 00:25:40,770 ♪ 349 00:25:40,770 --> 00:25:43,147 Look, I learned when I was still a little boy that monsters are real 350 00:25:43,147 --> 00:25:44,899 and they will hurt you, okay. 351 00:25:44,899 --> 00:25:47,694 But real‐life monsters aren't huge and hairy with fangs. 352 00:25:47,694 --> 00:25:50,363 They're smiling and friendly, until they're not. 353 00:25:50,363 --> 00:25:52,532 So I'm attuned to monsters. 354 00:25:52,532 --> 00:25:55,076 And the more time I spend in the Emerald Triangle, 355 00:25:55,076 --> 00:25:58,371 the more I sense a lot of them up here, hurting a lot of people. 356 00:25:58,371 --> 00:26:00,248 I mean, you go asking around 357 00:26:00,248 --> 00:26:03,209 about three dead men, and the question you get back the most is, 358 00:26:03,209 --> 00:26:04,586 "Which three dead men?" 359 00:26:04,586 --> 00:26:07,881 ♪ 360 00:26:12,176 --> 00:26:15,013 GHOSTDANCE: Over time, the big cry was, 361 00:26:15,013 --> 00:26:18,308 we want to stop the violence in cannabis 362 00:26:18,308 --> 00:26:19,809 by legalizing it. 363 00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:24,147 In truth, since legalization, 364 00:26:24,147 --> 00:26:27,817 the violence has escalated hundreds of folds, 365 00:26:27,817 --> 00:26:29,110 not a little bit. 366 00:26:30,904 --> 00:26:33,740 The laws and the way they've carried them out 367 00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:35,617 have been so draconian. 368 00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:37,660 The black market 369 00:26:37,660 --> 00:26:41,039 is five times bigger than it was a couple years ago, 370 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,249 and the white market's a mess. 371 00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:49,547 When you take the lifestyle away 372 00:26:49,547 --> 00:26:53,051 and you crush all the little people for corporate, 373 00:26:53,051 --> 00:26:57,013 it becomes something different, and it has that curse on it. 374 00:26:58,264 --> 00:27:02,060 And so all of this has created feuds and violence. 375 00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:04,979 ♪ 376 00:27:19,786 --> 00:27:22,539 HOLTHOUSE: You guys know a guy named Bigfoot Gary who lives around here? 377 00:27:23,122 --> 00:27:24,958 No? All right. 378 00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:41,057 Now I've kinda got a target lock on Bigfoot Gary. 379 00:27:42,892 --> 00:27:46,229 I really want a meeting and to, like, look in his eyes 380 00:27:46,229 --> 00:27:49,858 and put this story to him, because I feel like I'd know. 381 00:27:49,858 --> 00:27:52,193 I'd know whether or not 382 00:27:52,944 --> 00:27:54,195 he was involved. 383 00:28:48,374 --> 00:28:49,125 [doorbell rings] 384 00:28:54,505 --> 00:28:55,381 HOLTHOUSE: Okay. 385 00:28:57,050 --> 00:28:58,343 How's it going? 386 00:29:02,388 --> 00:29:03,765 HOLTHOUSE: Okay, cool. 387 00:29:03,765 --> 00:29:04,682 Bandana works. 388 00:29:07,435 --> 00:29:09,562 HOLTHOUSE: You're not a snitch, you're a source. 389 00:29:21,908 --> 00:29:24,285 HOLTHOUSE: Um, when did you first meet Bigfoot Gary? 390 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,001 ‐ How many, uh, how many seasons did you work for Gary? 391 00:29:36,464 --> 00:29:38,800 HOLTHOUSE: What was he like to work for? What kind of a boss was he? 392 00:30:00,113 --> 00:30:02,824 ‐ All right, let's start over. Play a little different tack. 393 00:30:03,324 --> 00:30:06,744 Wher‐‐ How, how high up the, the food chain is he? 394 00:30:07,912 --> 00:30:10,081 Like, where does he fit in around here? 395 00:30:15,962 --> 00:30:19,048 ‐ You think Gary is capable of killing somebody or having them killed? 396 00:30:30,268 --> 00:30:32,228 HOLTHOUSE: Which circumstances? 397 00:30:46,201 --> 00:30:47,785 HOLTHOUSE: Take me through what you've heard. 398 00:31:11,392 --> 00:31:13,728 HOLTHOUSE: They're probably still on the hill, 399 00:31:13,728 --> 00:31:15,146 meaning their bodies. 400 00:31:22,153 --> 00:31:25,573 ♪ 401 00:31:30,954 --> 00:31:32,580 HOLTHOUSE: If he had those three guys killed 402 00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:34,082 because they raped his daughter, 403 00:31:34,582 --> 00:31:36,334 fucking good for him, you know. 404 00:31:36,793 --> 00:31:39,462 As far as I'm concerned, every rapist in the world 405 00:31:39,462 --> 00:31:42,549 deserves to die screaming and alone in pain in the woods. 406 00:31:43,091 --> 00:31:45,385 So, good on Bigfoot Gary if that's what he did. 407 00:31:46,761 --> 00:31:49,639 If he killed these three guys because he's a racist fuck, 408 00:31:50,223 --> 00:31:52,850 you know, then he deserves more than he's gonna get. 409 00:31:55,144 --> 00:31:57,522 'Cause that means he knew a lot of white people up here would buy 410 00:31:57,522 --> 00:32:00,525 into the bullshit stereotype of Mexicans being rapists. 411 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,903 And he'd get away with murder. 412 00:32:07,198 --> 00:32:09,701 I really want to, uh, meet him 413 00:32:10,535 --> 00:32:13,246 and get a gauge of what kind of monster he is. 414 00:32:20,211 --> 00:32:24,215 ♪ 415 00:32:28,177 --> 00:32:30,388 ♪ 416 00:32:30,388 --> 00:32:32,682 Uh, okay, so I just came down off the mountain, 417 00:32:32,682 --> 00:32:34,267 and I didn't have any cell service. 418 00:32:34,267 --> 00:32:35,977 So, as soon as I got back on the grid, 419 00:32:35,977 --> 00:32:38,438 I had two text messages pop up, bang bang. 420 00:32:38,438 --> 00:32:41,232 Uh, both of them sent in the last couple hours 421 00:32:41,649 --> 00:32:43,568 from one of Bigfoot Gary's neighbors 422 00:32:43,568 --> 00:32:46,738 who is relaying a message to me from Bigfoot Gary's wife. 423 00:32:48,656 --> 00:32:49,949 [cell phone chimes] 424 00:33:00,585 --> 00:33:01,961 [cell phone ringing] 425 00:33:01,961 --> 00:33:03,004 Okay. 426 00:33:08,384 --> 00:33:09,302 This is David. 427 00:33:12,096 --> 00:33:13,014 HOLTHOUSE: Yeah. 428 00:33:15,141 --> 00:33:16,309 HOLTHOUSE: Hi, Carolyn. 429 00:33:24,067 --> 00:33:25,777 HOLTHOUSE: Okay, he didn't‐‐ He was‐‐ 430 00:33:25,777 --> 00:33:29,239 He didn't have any business in Spy Rock or Mendocino in the early '90s? 431 00:33:30,448 --> 00:33:34,077 HOLTHOUSE: He wasn't growing dope in Mendocino in the 1990s? 432 00:33:37,413 --> 00:33:41,084 HOLTHOUSE: Uh, any idea why people would be telling me this shit? 433 00:33:47,382 --> 00:33:48,174 HOLTHOUSE: [chuckles] Okay. 434 00:34:05,483 --> 00:34:09,737 HOLTHOUSE: Uh, could you ask Gary if he's, if he's had a business partner 435 00:34:09,737 --> 00:34:11,739 or he knows anybody named [bleep] 436 00:34:13,116 --> 00:34:14,158 CAROLYN: I'm‐‐ 437 00:34:18,121 --> 00:34:20,623 HOLTHOUSE: Uh... listen, is, is Gary sitting next to you? 438 00:34:20,623 --> 00:34:23,418 Could I talk to him or are you the intermediary here? 439 00:34:28,965 --> 00:34:30,466 GARY: 440 00:34:32,594 --> 00:34:33,511 HOLTHOUSE: Hey, Gary. 441 00:35:00,413 --> 00:35:01,122 HOLTHOUSE: Uh‐huh. 442 00:35:11,216 --> 00:35:12,091 HOLTHOUSE: Uh‐huh. 443 00:35:21,184 --> 00:35:24,229 HOLTHOUSE: I'm looking specifically at the fall of 1993, 444 00:35:24,229 --> 00:35:26,147 harvest season 1993. 445 00:35:44,249 --> 00:35:46,876 HOLTHOUSE: Uh... all right, a version of the story I heard was that, 446 00:35:46,876 --> 00:35:50,630 uh, the guy on Spy Rock named, nicknamed Bigfoot 447 00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:52,340 had [bleep] kill these guys 448 00:35:52,340 --> 00:35:55,760 because these guys had sexually assaulted Bigfoot's daughter. 449 00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:58,304 HOLTHOUSE: No? 450 00:36:02,225 --> 00:36:05,853 HOLTHOUSE: You didn't have a‐‐ You did not have a daughter in 1993, Gary? 451 00:36:08,523 --> 00:36:10,775 HOLTHOUSE: And you didn't kill anybody in 1993? 452 00:36:11,526 --> 00:36:13,194 Three, three guys from Mexico. 453 00:36:13,194 --> 00:36:15,113 And you didn't kill anybody in 1993? 454 00:36:21,661 --> 00:36:25,665 ♪ 455 00:36:36,843 --> 00:36:38,761 HOLTHOUSE: The rumor mill on the mountain 456 00:36:38,761 --> 00:36:42,265 is that Bigfoot Gary arranged to have murdered 457 00:36:42,265 --> 00:36:44,475 three guys who'd raped his daughter. 458 00:36:46,978 --> 00:36:48,354 The problem with that is that 459 00:36:48,354 --> 00:36:50,690 Bigfoot Gary didn't have a daughter in 1993. 460 00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:52,775 He's telling the truth about that. I checked. 461 00:36:53,318 --> 00:36:54,485 Okay? 462 00:36:54,485 --> 00:36:58,531 So there's a disconnect between the word on the mountain and reality. 463 00:36:58,990 --> 00:37:00,700 And within that disconnect 464 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:03,161 is reasonable doubt and then some. 465 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:08,082 So, you hold my feet to the fire, I'm gonna say, 466 00:37:08,082 --> 00:37:10,001 uh, he's not our guy. 467 00:37:10,001 --> 00:37:11,127 Bigfoot didn't do it. 468 00:37:11,836 --> 00:37:15,840 ♪ 469 00:37:25,683 --> 00:37:27,352 [trees creaking] 470 00:37:29,229 --> 00:37:31,856 There is this elusive truth 471 00:37:31,856 --> 00:37:34,984 that I glimpsed, you know, through the trees. 472 00:37:36,361 --> 00:37:39,072 And it's like the same obsession 473 00:37:39,072 --> 00:37:41,449 that drives Squatchers 474 00:37:41,449 --> 00:37:43,368 to spend half their lives in the woods. 475 00:37:44,327 --> 00:37:46,496 They do it because they're obsessed. 476 00:37:46,496 --> 00:37:49,123 They're convinced that they're always just 477 00:37:49,123 --> 00:37:51,125 one step away 478 00:37:51,125 --> 00:37:53,378 from getting the proof they need. Right? 479 00:37:54,337 --> 00:37:56,089 [chuckles] Am I just doing the same shit? 480 00:37:56,589 --> 00:37:58,258 Am I just, like, out there running around the woods, 481 00:37:58,258 --> 00:38:00,176 like, convinced that I'm just one move away 482 00:38:00,176 --> 00:38:01,803 from, like, really cracking this case 483 00:38:01,803 --> 00:38:05,265 and being able to explain exactly what happened in 1993? 484 00:38:06,391 --> 00:38:10,019 ♪ 485 00:38:12,939 --> 00:38:14,274 GEORGES: Finding Bigfoot 486 00:38:14,274 --> 00:38:17,360 would probably fill a hole in my life. 487 00:38:19,362 --> 00:38:22,949 My wish is for the world to finally have proof 488 00:38:22,949 --> 00:38:25,243 that this creature actually exists. 489 00:38:26,536 --> 00:38:28,454 I would give anything to see one. 490 00:38:30,748 --> 00:38:33,251 As scary as some of these stories are 491 00:38:33,251 --> 00:38:35,920 and how fearful we are 492 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,506 of that, you know, "monster in the closet," 493 00:38:38,965 --> 00:38:40,550 we still want to figure it out. 494 00:38:41,968 --> 00:38:45,179 ‐ To have that, "See, I told you I'm not crazy. 495 00:38:45,972 --> 00:38:47,807 "I told you when I was 10 496 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,268 "what I saw out the window. 497 00:38:50,268 --> 00:38:51,519 "You know, those eyes. 498 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,648 "And this is why. 499 00:38:56,691 --> 00:38:57,650 It's right there." 500 00:39:03,281 --> 00:39:06,492 DR. JEFF MELDRUM: The story of Sasquatch or of man‐like monsters 501 00:39:06,492 --> 00:39:08,578 has been with us from the very beginning. 502 00:39:09,329 --> 00:39:12,457 Some of the earliest literary traditions in the west 503 00:39:12,457 --> 00:39:14,375 and, well, in the east for that matter, 504 00:39:15,001 --> 00:39:18,713 have included this wild‐man figure. 505 00:39:20,506 --> 00:39:23,927 A representation of perhaps our alter ego, 506 00:39:23,927 --> 00:39:26,971 our lost connection to wild places. 507 00:39:31,976 --> 00:39:34,354 HOLTHOUSE: I think it's fair to say that these stories 508 00:39:34,354 --> 00:39:36,981 or mythologies about wild men 509 00:39:36,981 --> 00:39:38,650 are really more about humans? 510 00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:39,943 ‐ Oh yeah, it's always about humans. 511 00:39:39,943 --> 00:39:41,694 It's never not about humans. 512 00:39:41,694 --> 00:39:44,364 Uh, it's not about the giant beast. 513 00:39:47,075 --> 00:39:50,203 And it gets back to this notion 514 00:39:50,203 --> 00:39:52,288 of things that are out of control, 515 00:39:52,288 --> 00:39:54,082 things that we can't control. 516 00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:58,002 Wild people are beyond our control. 517 00:39:58,002 --> 00:40:00,129 They live out in the woods. 518 00:40:00,129 --> 00:40:03,383 They live very different lifestyles from us. 519 00:40:03,383 --> 00:40:06,219 If you get too close to them, they might injure you. 520 00:40:07,637 --> 00:40:10,223 There are people who behave outside 521 00:40:10,223 --> 00:40:13,476 of what the mainstream considers normal behavior. 522 00:40:13,476 --> 00:40:15,478 And that's where the wild man comes from. 523 00:40:15,478 --> 00:40:18,439 ♪ 524 00:40:26,531 --> 00:40:29,534 HOLTHOUSE: With these kinds of investigations, you get a lead, right? 525 00:40:29,534 --> 00:40:32,036 Or you see a path that you want to follow. 526 00:40:32,036 --> 00:40:35,456 And then you start following that path away from square one. Okay? 527 00:40:35,456 --> 00:40:38,668 ♪ 528 00:40:41,671 --> 00:40:46,009 And then you wind up, like, pretty far deep into the labyrinth, 529 00:40:47,010 --> 00:40:50,388 and sometimes that path dead‐ends. 530 00:40:51,222 --> 00:40:53,975 And when that happens, that's when you need to go back to the beginning. 531 00:40:53,975 --> 00:40:56,561 You need to go back to square one and be like, what have I missed? 532 00:40:57,896 --> 00:41:00,273 [thunder rumbling] 533 00:41:01,774 --> 00:41:03,985 ‐ [rain pouring] ‐ [wind gusting] 534 00:41:03,985 --> 00:41:06,404 [trees creaking] 535 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,283 I've gotten the name of two people that I think have the number 536 00:41:10,283 --> 00:41:12,702 of the guy that owned the farm in '93, 537 00:41:12,702 --> 00:41:16,623 and I've been jamming them to pass on a message to him 538 00:41:16,623 --> 00:41:17,707 for the better part of a year 539 00:41:18,416 --> 00:41:20,001 that I'd like to talk to him. 540 00:41:22,212 --> 00:41:23,755 Finally, word comes back, like, "What about?" 541 00:41:23,755 --> 00:41:26,132 I was like, "About a Bigfoot story that I heard 542 00:41:26,132 --> 00:41:29,385 "at his A‐frame cabin in the fall of '93." 543 00:41:30,178 --> 00:41:32,305 Word comes back, "Oh yeah, he'll talk to you about that." 544 00:41:32,305 --> 00:41:33,932 [vehicles passing by] 545 00:41:33,932 --> 00:41:36,059 [cell phone ringing] 546 00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:39,854 Hello, this is David. 547 00:41:43,650 --> 00:41:44,484 HOLTHOUSE: Okay. 548 00:41:46,152 --> 00:41:48,655 Don't fucking put [bleep] in the movie, whoever is editing this. 549 00:41:48,655 --> 00:41:50,114 I'm serious, this is gonna fucking‐‐ 550 00:41:50,114 --> 00:41:52,784 Uh, any‐‐ Okay, if I'm scared about it, trust me. 551 00:41:52,784 --> 00:41:55,954 I've a reason to be. I get a bad vibe from that guy. 552 00:41:56,913 --> 00:41:59,707 Of all the people, honestly, 553 00:41:59,707 --> 00:42:02,085 tha‐that we've been deal‐‐ that I've been dealing with, 554 00:42:02,085 --> 00:42:04,546 he's the one that has me the most concerned. 555 00:42:05,547 --> 00:42:08,466 I remember two tweakers that stopped by the cabin. 556 00:42:08,466 --> 00:42:08,967 MAN: Yeah. 557 00:42:08,967 --> 00:42:11,261 HOLTHOUSE: They were freaked out. They said they'd seen some bodies. 558 00:42:11,261 --> 00:42:13,388 They said that they'd seen Bigfoot tracks. 559 00:42:28,152 --> 00:42:29,487 It's true. 560 00:42:30,446 --> 00:42:32,198 HOLTHOUSE: What he tells me is that 561 00:42:32,198 --> 00:42:34,200 those three guys needed to go. 562 00:42:45,044 --> 00:42:46,087 HOLTHOUSE: Okay. 563 00:43:13,740 --> 00:43:15,533 HOLTHOUSE: He proceeds to tell me 564 00:43:15,533 --> 00:43:19,204 that Mexican workers would get jobs on farms, 565 00:43:19,204 --> 00:43:21,247 but really it was kinda part of a campaign 566 00:43:21,247 --> 00:43:24,959 to... you know, not take over, but to move in on the territory. 567 00:43:24,959 --> 00:43:26,794 So what they were doing is, for example, 568 00:43:26,794 --> 00:43:28,463 they would‐‐ a bunch of them would get jobs, 569 00:43:28,463 --> 00:43:31,257 would hire on with, like, an elderly farmer 570 00:43:31,257 --> 00:43:33,509 and just essentially just take over his operation. 571 00:43:33,509 --> 00:43:36,179 Just be like, "This is ours now. What are you gonna do about it?" 572 00:43:38,514 --> 00:43:40,600 Somebody at this meeting made the comment of, like, 573 00:43:40,934 --> 00:43:43,019 "Fuck, I wish we had, like, Chupacabras around here 574 00:43:43,019 --> 00:43:44,687 which would scare these guys off." 575 00:43:48,066 --> 00:43:49,901 And then immediately, someone was like, 576 00:43:49,901 --> 00:43:52,028 "We got something better than Chupacabra." 577 00:43:54,656 --> 00:43:57,075 And so they started introducing 578 00:43:57,075 --> 00:44:00,036 into this rumor‐based information ecosystem 579 00:44:00,036 --> 00:44:01,412 of the Emerald Triangle 580 00:44:01,871 --> 00:44:06,584 stories about... ferocious Sasquatches 581 00:44:06,584 --> 00:44:09,003 terrorizing farmers. 582 00:44:12,048 --> 00:44:14,217 And so those were the stories 583 00:44:14,217 --> 00:44:17,178 that I was hearing secondhand from all these farmworkers, 584 00:44:17,178 --> 00:44:20,265 and I and everybody else that was in that scene 585 00:44:20,265 --> 00:44:21,683 at the time. 586 00:44:22,892 --> 00:44:25,019 And so that's another piece that falls into place. 587 00:44:25,645 --> 00:44:27,313 Things make a little bit more sense now. 588 00:44:27,313 --> 00:44:29,482 [thunder rumbling] 589 00:44:47,959 --> 00:44:49,210 HOLTHOUSE: I'm like, okay, 590 00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:52,297 how do you make it look like a Sasquatch murdered three guys? 591 00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:55,800 He's like, bolt cutters, pickaxes, 592 00:44:56,593 --> 00:44:58,303 you know, and forklifts. 593 00:44:59,762 --> 00:45:02,265 Meaning chop 'em up, run 'em over, 594 00:45:02,265 --> 00:45:03,600 bash 'em in. 595 00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:07,103 Were you involved in that decision? 596 00:45:12,025 --> 00:45:13,193 HOLTHOUSE: Let me just ask you straight out. 597 00:45:13,193 --> 00:45:15,028 Just for, like, kind of for the record, okay. 598 00:45:15,028 --> 00:45:17,363 Three men actually died in October 1993. 599 00:45:17,363 --> 00:45:20,158 Is that what you're saying, okay, that the bodies that those guys 600 00:45:20,158 --> 00:45:22,202 who came to your cabin said they saw that night, 601 00:45:22,202 --> 00:45:23,536 those were actual dead bodies? 602 00:45:34,047 --> 00:45:36,799 ‐ They basically framed Sasquatch for the murder. 603 00:45:36,799 --> 00:45:40,345 These dope growers framed Sasquatch for a triple murder 604 00:45:40,803 --> 00:45:43,640 to terrorize guys from Mexico 605 00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:45,516 that were on their turf. 606 00:45:45,516 --> 00:45:48,895 ♪ 607 00:45:52,148 --> 00:45:54,400 He said that what they did is they arranged 608 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,236 for chatterboxes, as he put it, 609 00:45:56,653 --> 00:45:57,904 to see the bodies 610 00:45:57,904 --> 00:45:59,989 and that that guy that had come to that cabin that night, 611 00:45:59,989 --> 00:46:03,493 the guy that was on crystal meth, he was one of the chatterboxes. 612 00:46:03,493 --> 00:46:06,913 All right? Because that's the way that the story would get spread. 613 00:46:07,622 --> 00:46:08,331 Okay? 614 00:46:09,499 --> 00:46:12,210 The other guy was in on it too, took him up there. 615 00:46:12,961 --> 00:46:15,380 "Holy shit! They're fucking dead. 616 00:46:16,214 --> 00:46:18,883 Look at their bodies. Look at these tracks." 617 00:46:19,592 --> 00:46:20,510 Okay? 618 00:46:21,135 --> 00:46:23,388 "Fucking Bigfoot killed these three guys, man." 619 00:46:24,305 --> 00:46:25,431 [chuckles] 620 00:46:30,186 --> 00:46:32,605 What are some of the motivations why people would make up 621 00:46:32,605 --> 00:46:34,148 a Sasquatch story? 622 00:46:34,148 --> 00:46:38,820 ‐ Well, the‐‐ and this may lead us back to Spy Rock. 623 00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:41,281 People want to scare other people away. 624 00:46:41,281 --> 00:46:46,327 I know in the Amazon that many times 625 00:46:46,327 --> 00:46:48,621 people come up with terrible stories 626 00:46:48,621 --> 00:46:51,749 of monsters and ghosts and stuff, 627 00:46:51,749 --> 00:46:53,459 and it's to scare people away. 628 00:46:53,459 --> 00:46:56,170 There's something of value, it's a good fishing ground, 629 00:46:56,170 --> 00:46:57,922 it's a good hunting ground. 630 00:46:57,922 --> 00:47:00,633 So they do that to keep the other people away. 631 00:47:01,885 --> 00:47:06,055 ♪ 632 00:47:06,055 --> 00:47:07,807 DIENSTAG: Myth is super‐powerful. 633 00:47:10,018 --> 00:47:12,729 People are afraid of the unknown. 634 00:47:14,522 --> 00:47:17,650 It's an ancient story from the beginning of time. 635 00:47:18,234 --> 00:47:19,652 Look at the propaganda in this country. 636 00:47:19,652 --> 00:47:21,821 Look at the propaganda around the world. 637 00:47:21,821 --> 00:47:24,324 I mean, we create stories. We identify the other, 638 00:47:24,324 --> 00:47:26,409 the immigrants, we demonize them 639 00:47:26,409 --> 00:47:28,203 so we can empower ourselves 640 00:47:28,203 --> 00:47:30,580 and maintain control over the culture. 641 00:47:30,580 --> 00:47:33,124 ♪ 642 00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:36,753 RAZOR: I could see that happening, 643 00:47:37,962 --> 00:47:42,217 just in how I knew people from that area to behave 644 00:47:42,217 --> 00:47:45,261 when they felt threatened by outsiders. 645 00:47:46,554 --> 00:47:48,598 But this was obviously like a killing 646 00:47:48,598 --> 00:47:52,143 where people witnessed the aftermath of it 647 00:47:52,143 --> 00:47:54,771 and were then told to go tell people about it. 648 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,982 And that's why I heard about it. 649 00:47:59,275 --> 00:48:04,155 'Cause if it was just about killing these guys for what they had done, 650 00:48:04,155 --> 00:48:06,032 no one would have heard about it, right? 651 00:48:08,576 --> 00:48:10,578 Plenty of people have been killed up there 652 00:48:10,578 --> 00:48:14,666 and buried in a shallow grave on a mountaintop and never found. 653 00:48:17,961 --> 00:48:21,798 They really did these guys in to send a message. 654 00:48:26,886 --> 00:48:29,138 There's exploitive people out here 655 00:48:29,138 --> 00:48:32,308 and exploitive situations waiting to happen, you know. 656 00:48:34,727 --> 00:48:39,482 That darkness from the mining camps and from the first logging camps 657 00:48:39,482 --> 00:48:43,403 that, you know, took the land away from the indigenous people, 658 00:48:45,405 --> 00:48:47,866 that trauma never stopped, and it just snowballed 659 00:48:47,866 --> 00:48:50,994 into trauma for everybody that's come since then. 660 00:48:54,998 --> 00:48:56,958 It gets paved over and painted over 661 00:48:56,958 --> 00:49:00,420 and developed over constantly, 662 00:49:00,879 --> 00:49:04,299 but in the more rural areas, like out here, 663 00:49:04,299 --> 00:49:06,134 it's there, you can feel it, you know. 664 00:49:07,552 --> 00:49:10,555 I don't think you can stop it or erase it at this point. 665 00:49:10,555 --> 00:49:14,350 ♪ 666 00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:25,778 ♪ 667 00:49:25,778 --> 00:49:28,531 HOLTHOUSE: This started as 668 00:49:28,531 --> 00:49:32,368 a ghost story about three guys getting killed on a dope farm in 1993. 669 00:49:35,955 --> 00:49:38,750 I have moved with every step 670 00:49:39,876 --> 00:49:41,836 of this endeavor towards believing that 671 00:49:41,836 --> 00:49:43,755 these three murders actually occurred. 672 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,720 This is, like, not an easily solvable case. 673 00:49:51,471 --> 00:49:55,016 I mean, there's no police report, there's no bodies. 674 00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,979 I think it's impossible that I would ever, 675 00:49:59,979 --> 00:50:02,273 with absolute certainty, 676 00:50:02,273 --> 00:50:05,401 feel like I knew exactly what had happened and why. 677 00:50:05,401 --> 00:50:08,112 ♪ 678 00:50:12,450 --> 00:50:15,453 At least I have a story that I tell myself that makes sense now. 679 00:50:16,746 --> 00:50:20,333 ♪ 680 00:50:20,333 --> 00:50:23,086 [chuckling] No, I don't fucking think Bigfoot did it. 681 00:50:23,086 --> 00:50:24,087 No. 682 00:50:24,921 --> 00:50:28,216 I don't believe in Bigfoot, but I sure as hell believe in greed. 683 00:50:30,969 --> 00:50:33,263 And that greed turns people into monsters. 684 00:50:36,558 --> 00:50:39,477 It's not Bigfoot making all those people disappear in the woods. 685 00:50:39,477 --> 00:50:42,480 ♪ 686 00:50:48,570 --> 00:50:51,489 ♪ dramatic theme playing ♪ 687 00:50:51,489 --> 00:50:55,785 ♪